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| 01:17:25 | adi|work | i think i hate ssh |
| 01:17:27 | * | adi|work sighs |
| 01:18:27 | PsycoXul | why? |
| 01:18:33 | adi|work | its just giving me issues |
| 01:18:38 | PsycoXul | like? |
| 01:18:44 | adi|work | openssh-3.5p1 isn't playing nice |
| 01:18:51 | adi|work | compiles fine, installs fine |
| 01:19:06 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:19:12 | PsycoXul | i'm still on 3.4p1 |
| 01:19:12 | PsycoXul | :/ |
| 01:20:15 | adi|work | prob i hit is, sshd runs fine, config file looks okay |
| 01:20:18 | adi|work | i can ssh out no prob.. |
| 01:20:36 | adi|work | but any connections that come in, the actual password entry fails.. |
| 01:21:38 | PsycoXul | hmm weird |
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| 01:45:29 | Topic | "Documentation help wanted. Ask what you can do for your Rockbox today!" by adiamas (~adiamas@dogwood.vport.net) |
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| 02:45:53 | * | PsycoXul wonders if full-duplex is possible |
| 02:46:27 | LinusN | full duplex what? |
| 02:46:36 | PsycoXul | audio? |
| 02:46:37 | PsycoXul | um |
| 02:46:43 | PsycoXul | simultaneous playback and recording |
| 02:46:57 | LinusN | record and playback simultaneously? |
| 02:47:01 | LinusN | nope |
| 02:47:06 | PsycoXul | aww :/ |
| 02:49:40 | PsycoXul | the bumpers on my new FM recorder really stink |
| 02:49:53 | PsycoXul | i mean litteraly, they just smell aweful |
| 02:50:47 | PsycoXul | awful too :p |
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| 03:00:57 | LinusN | aha, you bought a rec-fm |
| 03:06:17 | PsycoXul | nah, i took my studio20 into best buy and they gave me one |
| 03:06:18 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:09:16 | Snorlax | you should see the action we got in #ipodlinux !! |
| 03:10:18 | LinusN | ? |
| 03:13:14 | Snorlax | #ipodlinux is linux on Ipod's "Official" IRC channel! |
| 03:13:17 | PsycoXul | it came with a pretty cool song called "Eye" by Mike Zee |
| 03:13:37 | Snorlax | http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net |
| 03:13:44 | LinusN | PsycoXul: they all do |
| 03:13:59 | Snorlax | we got quite some progress on the project! |
| 03:14:16 | PsycoXul | well my studio20 had some other songs on there that i don't even remember and probably rm'd all of heh |
| 03:16:48 | PsycoXul | heh i got my pda back from repairs today |
| 03:17:22 | PsycoXul | once it's charged i'll finally get to try out linux on there |
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| 03:40:45 | OnoSendai | hello all |
| 03:41:23 | * | OnoSendai just switched to rockbox and loves it |
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| 03:43:11 | LinusN | OnoSendai: congrats |
| 03:43:20 | OnoSendai | : ) |
| 03:43:48 | OnoSendai | it's a pity that the recording function is the only thing keeping the archos ajz on the drive |
| 03:43:59 | * | OnoSendai awaits eagerly |
| 03:44:02 | PsycoXul | get the daily build |
| 03:44:05 | LinusN | use a daily build instead of the old 1.4 |
| 03:44:14 | OnoSendai | it says they are buggy.. |
| 03:44:20 | OnoSendai | not to worry tho? |
| 03:44:30 | LinusN | not really |
| 03:44:32 | PsycoXul | not anymore so than 1.4 (and probably less) |
| 03:44:36 | PsycoXul | i think |
| 03:44:36 | OnoSendai | sweet |
| 03:45:01 | LinusN | you may want to back up your jukebox if you are worried |
| 03:45:57 | OnoSendai | i didn't think that ajz files would harm data on the drive |
| 03:46:35 | LinusN | well, imagine that there were a bug in our file system driver |
| 03:46:48 | OnoSendai | ah |
| 03:47:15 | LinusN | i haven't trashed my data yet, though |
| 03:47:52 | OnoSendai | do i have to have one ajz named ajbrec or will it let me choose if there isn't a default? |
| 03:48:08 | OnoSendai | that's the point of rolo right ? |
| 03:48:15 | PsycoXul | ROLO is built into rockbox |
| 03:48:19 | LinusN | the firmware in ROM loads ajbrec.ajz, else it starts the ROM image |
| 03:48:20 | PsycoXul | so you need rockbox booted to use it |
| 03:48:50 | LinusN | rolo lets you start another firmware by "running" it in the rockbox file browser |
| 03:49:01 | LinusN | but rockbox must be loaded |
| 03:49:14 | OnoSendai | i guess i don't need to worry if it the daily has everything now.. |
| 03:49:36 | LinusN | some people use the original firmware for playlist editing |
| 03:49:57 | PsycoXul | i ROLO the original firmware for the radio on the FM currently... |
| 03:50:12 | PsycoXul | not like i listen to the radio much anyway, but it's nice to have since it's there heh |
| 03:50:16 | * | OnoSendai has a recorder 20.. |
| 03:50:33 | LinusN | i rolo the original firmware occasionally to remind me how good rockbox is... :-) |
| 03:50:40 | OnoSendai | does anybody worry about re-formatting at all ? |
| 03:50:41 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 03:50:48 | OnoSendai | i couldn't believe how fast it was.. ! |
| 03:50:54 | LinusN | i have a Player 6k, a recorder 20 and an fm recorder 20 |
| 03:51:15 | OnoSendai | and the rockbox ajz is bigger too ! that just doesn't make sense to me.. |
| 03:51:23 | PsycoXul | i used to have a studio20, which bestbuy recently replaced under warranty with an fm recorder 20 |
| 03:51:35 | PsycoXul | OnoSendai: it's the demos and games heh |
| 03:51:36 | OnoSendai | hehe.. sometimes you gotta love bestbuy |
| 03:51:50 | OnoSendai | is there a way to remove the games ? |
| 03:51:57 | PsycoXul | indeed |
| 03:52:00 | PsycoXul | it's a compile-time option |
| 03:52:03 | LinusN | OnoSendai: why doesn't it make sense that rockbox is bigger? |
| 03:52:33 | LinusN | OnoSendai: removing the games will not buy you much |
| 03:52:36 | OnoSendai | it's faster... which makes me think it takes up less memory.. but the ajz file is bigger... so it must take up more... |
| 03:52:57 | PsycoXul | well speed and size aren't always related |
| 03:53:01 | LinusN | memory usage and speed are two entirely different things |
| 03:53:05 | OnoSendai | eh... it's just something i'll never use.. |
| 03:53:26 | OnoSendai | but they are usually directly proportional... i guess that just speaks well of the coding... |
| 03:53:30 | PsycoXul | gcc seems to generate bigger code the more optimized it is in fact heh |
| 03:53:40 | PsycoXul | as far as compiler opts go |
| 03:53:51 | PsycoXul | so it can be bigger == faster |
| 03:53:51 | LinusN | anyway, it's 4am here, i gotta go to sleep |
| 03:53:57 | OnoSendai | thanks LinusN |
| 03:53:58 | PsycoXul | LinusN: night |
| 03:53:59 | LinusN | cu guys |
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| 03:54:28 | OnoSendai | so do you format at all ? or do i not need to worry about drive maintenance? |
| 03:54:48 | PsycoXul | i never did it to my studio20 |
| 03:55:00 | PsycoXul | which got for xmas of 2001 |
| 03:55:11 | PsycoXul | and just got replace last week |
| 03:55:31 | OnoSendai | right on... i've had mine close to a year... never messed with usb drives before tho... wasn't aware of any maintenance they needed |
| 03:55:37 | OnoSendai | if any |
| 03:55:54 | PsycoXul | yeah well it's not like you usualy add and remove files a lot to these things |
| 03:56:04 | PsycoXul | at least i don't, and don't think most people do |
| 03:56:12 | PsycoXul | so you generaly shouldn't get much, if any, fragmentation |
| 03:56:33 | PsycoXul | and just general silly little errors a scandisk now and then should fix if any come up |
| 03:56:55 | PsycoXul | unless something somehow gets really screwed up and then you'll probably know you should do a reformat heh |
| 03:57:01 | OnoSendai | i transfer big files every now and then... maybe a 5 gig a month or so |
| 03:57:16 | OnoSendai | i haven't ran a scandisk on it either.. |
| 03:57:19 | PsycoXul | ah well yeah it depends on your usage i guess |
| 03:57:29 | PsycoXul | i wouldn't worry about fragmentation unless i notice an impact on performance |
| 03:57:54 | OnoSendai | : ) which is healthily disguised using rockbox now : ) i'm giddy |
| 03:58:02 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 03:58:12 | OnoSendai | i'm gonna go play with the cfg file... |
| 03:58:18 | OnoSendai | thanks PsycoXul |
| 03:58:20 | OnoSendai | cya |
| 03:58:20 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 03:58:21 | PsycoXul | have fun |
| 03:58:28 | OnoSendai | i already am |
| 03:58:30 | PsycoXul | hehe |
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| 05:35:37 | mrsubway | Anyone on? |
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| 05:37:37 | ][ncubus | hey all |
| 05:37:59 | ][ncubus | i have a few questions about the Archos 6000, anyone anti idling? |
| 05:39:08 | mrsubway | I have a question too about the battery indicator in version 2 betas? |
| 05:40:34 | mrsubway | The battery indicator always shows the battery life lower than it really is. Now, if the indicator runs out, will rockbox stop the player even though the battery really has more life. |
| 05:40:57 | mrsubway | If you are logging this and can send a reply to mrsubway@optonline.net, I'd appreciate it. All else works damn good! :) |
| 05:41:03 | ][ncubus | how is skipping on the unit, can i walk/run with it or no? |
| 05:41:31 | mrsubway | I've been walking fine with it. I'm too fat to run. :) Are you skipping? |
| 05:41:56 | ][ncubus | im am considering buying one on ebay |
| 05:42:11 | ][ncubus | they're priced competitively |
| 05:42:26 | mrsubway | Oh. If you can afford it, GET IT! Nice unit. I reccomend the Archos Jukebox Recorder 20. That's what I have. |
| 05:42:34 | ][ncubus | 20GB |
| 05:42:34 | ][ncubus | ya |
| 05:42:46 | ][ncubus | they sell for substantially more |
| 05:42:52 | ][ncubus | but obviously they're better |
| 05:43:05 | mrsubway | I've got like 400 songs, and still have 17 gigs left. |
| 05:43:08 | ][ncubus | do you use the recorder functions at all? |
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| 08:52:15 | Zagor | any difference with the hard reset? |
| 08:52:43 | adi|home | zagor... |
| 08:52:53 | adi|home | any chance of having the guy thats bouncing removed from the mailing list? |
| 08:53:09 | adi|home | johndavidson@jdis.net |
| 08:53:52 | Zagor | yeah |
| 08:55:50 | adi|home | ty |
| 08:56:03 | adi|home | weve had 3 messages bounce if i remember correctly... |
| 08:56:40 | adi|home | and im home this weekend.. so im going to see if i can put togeather a draft of updated docs for commands etc... |
| 08:56:45 | adi|home | we are way behind on that.. |
| 08:57:07 | adi|home | and on that.. im off to bed.. my sciatica is killing me.. |
| 08:57:09 | adi|home | night |
| 08:58:41 | Zagor | sleep well |
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| 10:03:45 | Mighty | Zagor? He's been idle for 4 weeks with his QuakeNet client ? |
| 10:04:13 | Zagor | yeah, i'm running an irc proxy |
| 10:04:25 | Mighty | ahh |
| 10:04:52 | Mighty | thought you were on vication down on some tropical island |
| 10:04:59 | Zagor | hehe, not yet :) |
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| 10:21:01 | langhaarrocker | Has something changed in the key code recently? Sometimes my unit mixes up the up key and the f2 key. The values in the debug menu of the ad converters show values that don't suggest overlapping value ranges for these keys. |
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| 11:07:07 | Zagor | nobody tried today's build yet? |
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| 11:07:18 | langhaarrocker | I do. |
| 11:07:35 | langhaarrocker | red led death is different now. |
| 11:07:41 | Zagor | how? |
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| 11:08:09 | langhaarrocker | It returns to the browser after some time but if you want to start a new song it enters the red led death again. |
| 11:08:55 | Zagor | yes. it appears the drive gets somehow stuck in error mode |
| 11:08:57 | langhaarrocker | changing the dir in the browser doesn't spin up the drive, no dir shown, no red led. |
| 11:09:25 | Zagor | weird |
| 11:10:28 | langhaarrocker | that there's no red led when the browser tries to access the drive in error mode? |
| 11:11:57 | * | langhaarrocker tries chan 10, key 70 on the jukebox again |
| 11:12:35 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:13:51 | langhaarrocker | Well, there's definitly an improvement: you now can play wormlet while in red led death state :) |
| 11:14:01 | Zagor | haha |
| 11:17:07 | dwihno | :-D |
| 11:17:09 | dwihno | Yay! |
| 11:17:13 | dwihno | That's a major improvement! |
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| 11:44:54 | langhaarrocker | strange: there seem to be different error states. When I now try to change dir / song after "red led death state recovery" the disk spins up. |
| 11:45:42 | langhaarrocker | it displays no dir / doesn't play songs though. |
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| 12:10:30 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: can't you provoke the error at all? |
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| 13:03:28 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: no |
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| 13:16:35 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: seems your hd is better than my ibm. |
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| 14:41:42 | Nomad__ | 'lo again |
| 14:41:44 | Nomad__ | Zagor around? |
| 14:42:21 | Zagor | yup |
| 14:43:09 | Nomad__ | Tested the anti-idle yesterday |
| 14:43:35 | Nomad__ | basically my Studio10 in a double wrap of foam from a motherboard box in the pocket of my jacket |
| 14:43:44 | Nomad__ | doing 75-85 down the highway on my motorcycle |
| 14:43:57 | Nomad__ | not anti-idle, anti-skip |
| 14:44:03 | Nomad__ | mental dyslexia today |
| 14:44:37 | Nomad__ | anti-skip may not be aimed at that scenario but it didn't help |
| 14:44:43 | Nomad__ | tried setting for 7 secs and for 3 secs |
| 14:44:46 | Nomad__ | no change |
| 14:45:00 | Nomad__ | with yesterday morning's bleeding edge build |
| 14:45:17 | Nomad__ | anything useful I can do ? |
| 14:45:59 | langhaarrocker | since yesterday evening the beeding edge contains a hard-reset of the hd. -> red led dead changed symptomatically. |
| 14:46:22 | Nomad__ | meaning? |
| 14:46:45 | Nomad__ | I won't be on the bike again until Friday since I have to ferry around family |
| 14:46:54 | langhaarrocker | you can now play wormlet while in red led death. |
| 14:47:08 | Nomad__ | cool I guess :> |
| 14:47:10 | langhaarrocker | (ui doesn't freeze) |
| 14:47:20 | Nomad__ | on the bike I can't see the UI or LED's or anything |
| 14:47:26 | Zagor | Nomad__: you haven't said yet what result you had... |
| 14:47:30 | Nomad__ | can't adjust it either, tried to buy a remote |
| 14:47:34 | Nomad__ | Zagor: sorry |
| 14:47:38 | Nomad__ | lost the train of thought |
| 14:47:55 | Nomad__ | it used to timeout and turn off/hang hard when I hit 75'ish for more than a min |
| 14:48:11 | Nomad__ | Yesterday though it would start playing again after I'd been under 55 for more than 3 mins |
| 14:48:38 | Nomad__ | considering I mostly want the unit running when stuck sitting in traffic that's a big improvement |
| 14:48:59 | Zagor | it's such an odd problem |
| 14:49:28 | Nomad__ | yeah, I figure not many people will likely run into this on a reguar basis (or not report it here, etc) |
| 14:49:43 | Zagor | actually quite many do :-( |
| 14:49:49 | Nomad__ | one reason I appreciate you atleast listening even if you are cussing at the monitor about the idiot on the motorcycle |
| 14:49:58 | Nomad__ | :> |
| 14:50:04 | Zagor | unfortunately, I'm not one of them so I can never test improvements |
| 14:50:26 | Nomad__ | yeah, part of why I'm volunteering to do what I can instead of bitching and leaving |
| 14:50:41 | Zagor | no I use my own archos while riding my bike, so I have the same situation. but for me it works without a hitch. |
| 14:50:44 | Nomad__ | could you throw together a custom .mod with extra logging I can send you? |
| 14:50:49 | Schnueff | bicycle faster! |
| 14:50:52 | Schnueff | :) |
| 14:51:12 | Nomad__ | It works great until I hit 75+ on the highway then thunka |
| 14:51:16 | Zagor | Schnueff: i actually go over some pretty rough stuff every day to/from work. but that doesn't seem to matter. |
| 14:51:18 | Nomad__ | almost like the drive just can't read |
| 14:51:53 | Zagor | Nomad__: could the pocket of your jacket start flapping at that speed, or something? |
| 14:52:18 | Nomad__ | not really, it's a heavy leather jacket, I've got the loose edge folded under as well |
| 14:52:46 | * | langhaarrocker sees funny pocket-flapping-motorcyclers in his imagination |
| 14:52:46 | langhaarrocker | lol |
| 14:53:22 | Nomad__ | langhaarrocker: imagine a thinner chitty chitty bang bang... I'm hoping to acheive flight when I hit 88mph |
| 14:53:37 | langhaarrocker | :) |
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| 15:03:40 | elinenbe | brb |
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| 15:05:46 | Hes | I had pretty much problems with skipping & motorcycle last summer |
| 15:06:22 | Bagder | its the automatic anti-motorcycle device that turns on |
| 15:06:25 | langhaarrocker | Maybe it's bike dependend, too. |
| 15:06:43 | Hes | ArchOS doesn't seem to have it installed. |
| 15:07:11 | Bagder | they made us install it ;-) |
| 15:07:35 | Hes | Who? the police or traffic ministry? |
| 15:08:08 | langhaarrocker | completely ot: does anybody know a free homepage provider that supports php? |
| 15:10:19 | Nomad__ | Hes: did you solve the problem or remove one component? |
| 15:10:33 | Hes | I did quite a bit of debugging on the skipping at high speed, we got a little improvement (zagor&friends tuned the ATA stuff several times) |
| 15:10:48 | Hes | but it didnt' go away completely |
| 15:10:51 | Nomad__ | k |
| 15:11:02 | Hes | my biking season will start within a month, will continue on it then 8-) |
| 15:11:03 | Nomad__ | I'm riding an 1100 Vtwin, it vibrates pretty well |
| 15:11:08 | Zagor | Hes: are you saying the stock firmware never skips, or just that it doesn't freeze? |
| 15:11:12 | Nomad__ | may just be a problem with physics |
| 15:11:29 | Zagor | Nomad__: skipping is unavoidable, but it shouldn't stop. |
| 15:11:51 | Hes | I don't think I've noticed skipping on the bike. |
| 15:11:52 | Nomad__ | yesterday it didn't stop completely |
| 15:12:04 | Nomad__ | when I dropped the speed down a good bit it would eventually resume |
| 15:12:16 | Hes | I noticed skipping in car once, and rockbox would stop (lousy car, vibrates) |
| 15:12:19 | Nomad__ | but the entire time I stayed 75+ (10-15 mins) it didnt' play a note |
| 15:12:23 | Zagor | Nomad__: 3 minutes is too long. it should take 5-10 seconds max. |
| 15:12:43 | Hes | my 750cc 4cylinder doesn't vibrate too much, it's the wind & pocket vibrating |
| 15:13:16 | langhaarrocker | Hes: admit that it's you who's vibrating in fear of speed! :) |
| 15:13:19 | Nomad__ | I tried to eliminate the pocket problems by tucking the fold under and even tried to "hold" it but no good |
| 15:14:11 | Hes | in the car i got around the skipping/halting by holding the device on my lap |
| 15:14:34 | Nomad__ | I can put it on the center console of my truck as I drive to work and have no problems with skip, etc |
| 15:15:26 | Hes | i've been thinking about upgrading to an 1100cc engine but I might have to hold that until the problem is resolved 8-) |
| 15:16:36 | Hes | a remote that'd be usable with riding gloves on would be an interesting project too... |
| 15:16:39 | Nomad__ | if you stay 4cyl like a Magna you probably won't have a problem |
| 15:17:06 | Zagor | !!! |
| 15:17:06 | Nomad__ | mine is a Virago which has a very "strong" engine for an 1100... |
| 15:17:09 | Zagor | hey |
| 15:17:11 | Zagor | what |
| 15:17:17 | Zagor | uhh... |
| 15:17:28 | Nomad__ | Hes: there is a remote but Archos is back ordered on it |
| 15:17:36 | Hes | Nomad__: too small buttons. |
| 15:17:39 | Nomad__ | it'll work with thin riding gloves but probably not cold weather thick ones |
| 15:17:50 | Hes | i only have the latter 8-] |
| 15:17:52 | Nomad__ | It's warm enough here in Ga already I'm in my thin gloves :> |
| 15:18:05 | Nomad__ | I wear padded fingerless durring warm/hot days |
| 15:18:52 | Zagor | hmm, what happens when the playlist code fails reading? |
| 15:19:05 | Zagor | we've only been looking at the mpeg code so far |
| 15:19:13 | Nomad__ | ? |
| 15:19:13 | Hes | i didn't run playlists |
| 15:19:25 | Hes | but that would be another interesting scenario, yes |
| 15:19:26 | Nomad__ | I do but I start the playlist before the bike hits 75 :> |
| 15:19:43 | Zagor | the playlist is read for every new song |
| 15:19:48 | Nomad__ | my skipping usually occurs in the middle of the song but it could be when its queueing up the next song as well |
| 15:19:54 | Nomad__ | wow, that can be ugly |
| 15:20:03 | Nomad__ | My main playlist has 1500 songs easy |
| 15:20:46 | Hes | in my case, without playlists, would the directory be looked into after too much skipping on a song & skipping to the next track? |
| 15:20:54 | Zagor | Nomad__: mine has 7700 songs. it's not a problem. |
| 15:20:55 | Hes | and if that directory read would fail, could it jam? |
| 15:21:02 | Nomad__ | I need to find someone who'll do a memory upgrade on a Studio 10 and swap my studio 10+ cach |
| 15:21:06 | Nomad__ | ok |
| 15:21:17 | Nomad__ | I guess the playlists are "small" in ram terms |
| 15:21:22 | Zagor | Hes: we should look at that |
| 15:21:33 | Nomad__ | 8Gigs isn't that long a playlist in reality |
| 15:21:38 | Hes | And I don't think the whole playlist is reread at that point anyway? |
| 15:21:51 | Zagor | no, we just lseek() to the line of the next filename |
| 15:21:59 | Hes | because the index of the lines is in memory |
| 15:22:00 | Bagder | Nomad__: we only keep a seek index of each song in memory, so each song occupies 4 bytes only |
| 15:22:09 | Nomad__ | nice |
| 15:22:23 | Zagor | but the file is accessed. and what if we fail there? I haven't audited that part of the code much. |
| 15:22:44 | Bagder | that's indeed a subject worth to investigate |
| 15:23:00 | Nomad__ | afk a min, brb |
| 15:23:13 | Zagor | I just tried shaking my archos while filling the buffer. and I can make it skip to next track, but not freeze |
| 15:23:36 | langhaarrocker | My recorder goes into red led death even in the middle of the song. |
| 15:24:23 | Hes | also, we have a variety of disks installed, I think my unit went worse in this respect when I upgraded my disk from the stock IBM |
| 15:24:24 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: are you sure it's not caching the start of next track? |
| 15:24:37 | langhaarrocker | Very sure. |
| 15:24:51 | Zagor | ok :( |
| 15:25:52 | * | langhaarrocker verifies |
| 15:29:15 | langhaarrocker | I can make it red led dead at the second buffer refill with still 3:30 min of a 320kBit encoded Song |
| 15:30:26 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:32:44 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: does it ever make a click sound or anything? spin down? or just completely frozen stable. |
| 15:34:08 | langhaarrocker | Interesting: When I hit the 'next' button it'll play a chunk of audio. Very short but I believe it's a chunk of the current song -> probably data from the old buffer. |
| 15:34:08 | langhaarrocker | It stops playing, the disk keeps spinning, even after the red led goes off after ~30 seconds |
| 15:34:37 | langhaarrocker | But when I hit the 'next' button, the red led turns on again. |
| 15:35:14 | Zagor | what disk model do you have? |
| 15:36:27 | langhaarrocker | It that ibm 19 GB drive |
| 15:36:27 | langhaarrocker | IC25N020ATDA04-0 as the drive info of rockbox says |
| 15:36:39 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:36:42 | Nomad__ | back |
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| 15:41:13 | OnoSendai | hello all |
| 15:41:31 | langhaarrocker | While shaking I can hear noises that suggest the head searches the track. |
| 15:41:36 | langhaarrocker | hello OnoSandai |
| 15:42:04 | OnoSendai | : ) |
| 15:42:37 | * | langhaarrocker can't read / write or neither :) |
| 15:42:51 | OnoSendai | ack... what the hell did you do ? |
| 15:43:03 | langhaarrocker | I misspelled your name |
| 15:43:26 | OnoSendai | oh... hehe.. i thought you meant your JB wasn't reading or writing.. hehe |
| 15:44:52 | langhaarrocker | No. I just realized that a german might feel insulted if he was called the way I misspelled your name. |
| 15:45:41 | OnoSendai | do you judge all things by how a german might feel? |
| 15:45:56 | langhaarrocker | I have no other choice. I am german. |
| 15:46:31 | OnoSendai | hehe.. i guess not.. i _was_ born in heidelberg... but we left when i was 4 or 5.. |
| 15:47:01 | OnoSendai | never been back.. really want to see it.. i hear it's a cool town. |
| 15:47:08 | Nomad__ | I'm half german but no nothing about that side of the family |
| 15:47:17 | Nomad__ | courts wouldn't give my mom adoption records |
| 15:47:23 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: funny! Now I have a flashing red led with "End Of Song List" again. I used to get this before the hard reset yesterday. Today it's the first time. |
| 15:47:54 | OnoSendai | is there any doco on this 'red death' ? |
| 15:48:22 | langhaarrocker | The only docu concerning the red led death should be 'solved' |
| 15:50:10 | OnoSendai | ah... cool |
| 15:50:48 | langhaarrocker | not yet. |
| 15:52:20 | Bagder | that is interesting |
| 15:52:29 | Bagder | to get that text, id3 needs to be null |
| 15:52:53 | Bagder | and the mpeg thread says it doesn't play anything |
| 15:53:05 | Zagor | Bagder: I believe it tries and fails to load every track in the list |
| 15:53:09 | langhaarrocker | I just realized that I accidently turned off repeat. Maybe it in fact was the last song of the list. |
| 15:53:48 | Bagder | Zagor: hm, that might be a lead... |
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| 16:00:08 | Bagder | in the wps_show() function |
| 16:00:20 | Bagder | what's in charge of keeping the id3 pointer up-to-date? |
| 16:02:30 | Zagor | update() calls mpeg_current_track() on each button timeout |
| 16:02:57 | Bagder | ah |
| 16:03:07 | Zagor | and (!!!) the current path is copied to the settings buffer 5 times per second... |
| 16:03:18 | Bagder | ehum |
| 16:03:33 | Zagor | uh, no. only if the file differs. my bad. |
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| 16:14:28 | OnoSendai | there is no doco for the definition of all items in the CFG file.. is there.. ? |
| 16:15:11 | TetraPak | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_cfg_format.html |
| 16:15:14 | TetraPak | you mean this? |
| 16:15:51 | OnoSendai | yeah.. i've seen that... i just want more details.. |
| 16:15:57 | TetraPak | hmm ok |
| 16:16:04 | OnoSendai | like what _exactly_ does disk poweroff do ? |
| 16:16:26 | OnoSendai | is there an idle timeout then it powers off ? is that a setting somewhere.. ? |
| 16:17:37 | TetraPak | i think it's a setting but i'm not sure |
| 16:17:41 | TetraPak | Disk Spindown - Rockbox has a timer that makes it spin down the harddisk after being idle for a certain time. You can modify this timeout here. |
| 16:19:00 | Zagor | disk poweroff is an option that completely cuts the power to the disk after it has spun down. this saves power, but adds a bit more delay (about a second) to the spinup time |
| 16:19:27 | TetraPak | brb |
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| 16:19:44 | OnoSendai | so it's a more severe idle power off.. |
| 16:19:52 | Zagor | nono |
| 16:20:12 | Zagor | idle power-off is a setting for turning off the archos when idle for >x minutes |
| 16:20:14 | OnoSendai | it's an idle power off just for the hard drive |
| 16:20:32 | Zagor | there is always an idle-off for the drive. it's the "disk spindown" option. |
| 16:20:45 | Zagor | the disk poweroff just makes the spindown save even more power |
| 16:21:08 | OnoSendai | right on.. |
| 16:22:19 | langhaarrocker | maybe there should be preset configs one day like "fast ui", "low energy consumption" ... |
| 16:22:57 | Zagor | yeah, that could be nice. just premade .cfg files |
| 16:23:06 | langhaarrocker | but with names that a dau understands, too. |
| 16:23:12 | Zagor | yup |
| 16:23:53 | OnoSendai | : ) |
| 16:24:07 | OnoSendai | it wa a pleasant suprise to have a 'write .cfg' option |
| 16:24:21 | OnoSendai | cuz a cfg file is a bit overwhelming when first looking at it. |
| 16:24:54 | Zagor | yeah |
| 16:25:32 | OnoSendai | i'm trying to find def's in the archives.. |
| 16:25:48 | OnoSendai | is auto-volume a dsp normalizer ? |
| 16:25:50 | langhaarrocker | If now someone did a real texteditor (neither vi nor emacs) we could have wps configurable online, too. |
| 16:26:15 | langhaarrocker | OnoSandai: Yes, it's some kind of compressor / limiter |
| 16:27:09 | OnoSendai | does it work for recording also ? (thanks for being patient) |
| 16:27:18 | langhaarrocker | no |
| 16:27:50 | langhaarrocker | Well, it works on the output _while_ recording, but doesn't affect the recorded signal. |
| 16:28:25 | OnoSendai | wait wait... you can monitor while recording ? |
| 16:28:33 | langhaarrocker | of course |
| 16:29:41 | * | OnoSendai has to go inflict pain on himself for being stupid |
| 16:30:21 | OnoSendai | i coulda swore i tried that, and it didn't work.... this only works with rockbox right? |
| 16:32:36 | langhaarrocker | I haven't tried for a long time, but I think it was possible with the archos firmware, too. |
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| 16:34:38 | OnoSendai | yeah.. figured.. oh well... it's a pleasant suprise... i'd always been pissed about that.. i was just wrong.. : ) |
| 16:34:43 | OnoSendai | time for nap... thanks guys. |
| 16:35:03 | langhaarrocker | np |
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| 17:22:16 | Bagder | im off |
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| 17:25:32 | tracktheripper | Hi |
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| 18:12:08 | TBoy | hoi |
| 18:12:20 | TBoy | I got a problem today |
| 18:12:26 | TBoy | I discoverd |
| 18:12:41 | TBoy | I was just zappin through my songs |
| 18:13:11 | TBoy | and all of a sudden the red led went on and just stayed on |
| 18:13:18 | TBoy | and the music stop playin |
| 18:13:33 | TBoy | and then after lets say 5-10 min it worked again |
| 18:13:51 | TBoy | has anyone encountered this type of problem |
| 18:14:13 | TBoy | I ride a FM recorder :D |
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| 19:31:44 | TBoy | what is S/PDIF |
| 19:32:17 | uski | a digital audio "protocol" |
| 19:32:35 | TBoy | so what does it do |
| 19:32:59 | TBoy | or what is it good for |
| 19:33:10 | PsycoXul | it's for digital audio |
| 19:33:11 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 19:33:17 | uski | electrically noisy environments ? |
| 19:33:25 | uski | where all analog signals get fucked up ? :) |
| 19:33:59 | PsycoXul | well the merits of transporting audio digitally is another matter |
| 19:33:59 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:34:10 | TBoy | psyco |
| 19:34:16 | TBoy | I had this prob today |
| 19:34:18 | PsycoXul | but thats what S/PDIF "does" is transports audio digitally |
| 19:34:35 | TBoy | I was just zappin through my songs |
| 19:34:40 | TBoy | and all of a sudden the red led went on and just stayed on |
| 19:34:47 | TBoy | and the music stop playin |
| 19:34:48 | PsycoXul | TBoy: sounds like the red led dead or whatever problem that some people have been having |
| 19:35:29 | TBoy | oh |
| 19:35:41 | PsycoXul | it's being looked into, but you can tell zagor, i guess, about your particular case of it |
| 19:35:42 | TBoy | ok |
| 19:36:04 | TBoy | this has happend to me quite often |
| 19:36:39 | PsycoXul | well see if you can find a guaranteed method to reproduce it |
| 19:36:49 | TBoy | yep |
| 19:36:57 | PsycoXul | and tell zagor about it |
| 19:37:15 | PsycoXul | or linusn or bagder probably |
| 19:37:16 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:37:41 | TBoy | yeah probably linus because we both ride a FM |
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| 20:04:30 | uski | can someone help me with a very simple thing ? i need to know the exact error message that a "rockboxed" jukebox 6000 shows when there is no hard-drive attached to it |
| 20:15:51 | adi|work | huh? |
| 20:18:34 | uski | huh ? :) |
| 20:18:41 | uski | i have a problem with an archos jb6000 |
| 20:18:44 | TBoy | huh :D |
| 20:18:53 | uski | if i access the hdd via the isd200 (= usb) it works correctly |
| 20:19:16 | uski | but when i use the lcd screen to browse the HD, the screen fuck up and i get chars like HgsQSDhtSDqsdgDF instead of the name |
| 20:19:54 | uski | so i would like to know where the problem is comong from; it can be a problem on the lcd controller |
| 20:20:07 | uski | or a problem between the RISC processor and the hard drive |
| 20:20:20 | uski | knowing the exact error messager would allow me to know if the problem comes from the lcd or not |
| 20:24:25 | uski | so if someone could remove the hdd of his jb6000 and tell me the error message, it would be great !!! |
| 20:27:26 | TBoy | thats alot your asking for |
| 20:28:21 | uski | why ? in 5 minutes it is done, isn't it ? |
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| 20:49:45 | adi|work | no |
| 20:49:51 | adi|work | because 1. i have to open my case |
| 20:49:56 | adi|work | 2. risk breaking things |
| 20:49:59 | adi|work | 3. pull the drive |
| 20:50:01 | adi|work | and reboot |
| 20:50:10 | adi|work | and then 4,5,6 do all in reverse |
| 20:54:16 | uski | :\ |
| 20:54:18 | uski | k |
| 20:57:21 | TBoy | thats what I thought |
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| 22:45:15 | IDC-Dragon | Hello, anybody active? Is is this java applet stuck? |
| 22:46:12 | adi|work | nope |
| 22:46:13 | adi|work | im here |
| 22:48:15 | IDC-Dragon | Do you know how to apply a patch to a local file? |
| 22:54:31 | adi|work | read the faq :) |
| 22:54:58 | adi|work | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html |
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| 23:07:11 | rocker92 | is anyone around? |
| 23:07:37 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:07:48 | rocker92 | hey :) |
| 23:07:56 | rocker92 | is there anywhere to download rockbox 1.3? |
| 23:08:03 | rocker92 | 1.4 onwards don't work on my player |
| 23:08:16 | Bagder | not at all? |
| 23:08:35 | rocker92 | nope, doesn't load or anything |
| 23:08:46 | rocker92 | just boots up to the default archos os |
| 23:08:56 | adi|work | then you aren't dling properly... |
| 23:09:03 | Bagder | it is probably not due to a rockbox problem |
| 23:09:18 | rocker92 | hmm, i don't know |
| 23:09:20 | adi|work | Bagder: which ssh are you running at home? |
| 23:09:24 | rocker92 | 1.3 and earlier always worked |
| 23:09:32 | adi|work | rocker92: what is the exact name of the file you are copying to the archos? |
| 23:09:34 | Bagder | adi|home: OpenSSH_3.4p1 |
| 23:09:41 | rocker92 | then it stopped working when they combined the old and new player os |
| 23:09:42 | adi|work | grrr.. damnit.. |
| 23:09:49 | adi|work | 3.5p1 is giving me issues.. |
| 23:09:54 | rocker92 | well i rename it to archos.mod |
| 23:09:56 | rocker92 | in the root dir |
| 23:10:07 | adi|work | what was it named? |
| 23:10:21 | rocker92 | i jusy tried archos20030325.mod |
| 23:10:35 | rocker92 | and the mod from rockbox-1.4-player-old.zip |
| 23:10:39 | adi|work | and you have a player not a recorder right/ |
| 23:10:45 | rocker92 | nope |
| 23:10:53 | rocker92 | it's an old jukebox 6000 |
| 23:11:14 | adi|work | hmmm... |
| 23:11:26 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/rockbox-1.3-player-old.mod |
| 23:11:47 | Bagder | I'll be surprised if that works for you |
| 23:11:58 | rocker92 | cool, lemme try |
| 23:12:23 | adi|work | bagder you know anyone running 3.5p1? |
| 23:12:50 | Bagder | I don't know any no, but then I don't know what versions people run |
| 23:12:58 | adi|work | nods |
| 23:13:04 | rocker92 | hmm that didn't work either |
| 23:13:16 | Bagder | that's what I thought |
| 23:13:36 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#66 |
| 23:13:38 | Bagder | or similar |
| 23:14:04 | rocker92 | well i just formatted my drive |
| 23:14:14 | rocker92 | so i don't think the old mod would be there |
| 23:14:46 | Bagder | well, something makes the unit not find the .mod file |
| 23:15:03 | rocker92 | i thought maybe it was because i had previously formatted with higher block size |
| 23:15:20 | rocker92 | so i just formatted it with the default settings |
| 23:16:37 | rocker92 | does the drive need to have a specific name? |
| 23:16:45 | Bagder | no |
| 23:17:01 | rocker92 | lemme get the archos os |
| 23:17:03 | rocker92 | see if that works |
| 23:17:09 | Bagder | yes, try that |
| 23:17:22 | Bagder | it that works, it'll truly surprise me |
| 23:19:32 | | Quit josh966__ ("ChatZilla 0.8.23 [Mozilla rv:1.3/20030312]") |
| 23:19:44 | rocker92 | man this is annoying |
| 23:19:49 | rocker92 | that didn't work either |
| 23:20:12 | rocker92 | i formatted fat32, does the archos want fat? |
| 23:20:21 | adi|work | i think so.. |
| 23:20:26 | adi|work | no fat32 if i remember right |
| 23:20:28 | Bagder | fat32 is fine |
| 23:20:38 | * | adi|work assumes the silence position again |
| 23:21:01 | Bagder | rocker92: and the built-in software works fine when run? |
| 23:21:46 | rocker92 | yeah |
| 23:21:49 | PsycoXul | do you have file extentions showing in your windows explorer (or whatever)? |
| 23:22:10 | rocker92 | yeah all that stuff is disabled |
| 23:22:22 | rocker92 | i move files using dos anyway |
| 23:22:27 | PsycoXul | ah ok |
| 23:22:28 | PsycoXul | nm then |
| 23:23:46 | PsycoXul | how come the FAQ doesn't have an index? it looks like it'd be trivial to add, and would make it much more user-friendly |
| 23:24:14 | Bagder | basicly, it is because the questions are sooooo long |
| 23:24:25 | Bagder | the index turned out looking really weird |
| 23:24:25 | PsycoXul | so? heh |
| 23:24:28 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 23:24:39 | Bagder | but I agree we need one |
| 23:25:11 | Bagder | or possibly sections |
| 23:25:27 | * | adi|work has that on his list |
| 23:30:31 | sander_ | Now that there's a feature freeze for 2.0 is considered beta at this point? |
| 23:30:45 | Bagder | probably |
| 23:31:04 | Bagder | although we don't call it that |
| 23:31:36 | sander_ | I've been using 1.4 for a while are the daily builds pretty stable on a Studio 10? |
| 23:31:55 | Bagder | I believe they are |
| 23:32:39 | sander_ | I'm game to help test, but I need it to work for my own peice of mind when I'm out and about. :) I'll give it a try then. |
| 23:33:00 | Bagder | you can always save it on the side and ROLO it to start with |
| 23:33:27 | Bagder | in case you wanna play safe |
| 23:33:32 | sander_ | hmm I'll try that. |
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| 23:34:14 | sander_ | I've been really impressed with the project. My only regret is that I didn't get a recorder, because of the smaller text size. |
| 23:34:43 | sander_ | But of course it was almost double the price at the time, so I can't really complain. |
| 23:36:06 | Bagder | the recorder also has better sound |
| 23:37:47 | sander_ | Yeah, and USB2, but I'm still pretty happy. I'm having a hard enough time finding good head phones for the jukebox as it is. Finding good headphones that have a volume control is a pain. |
| 23:54:37 | | Quit rocker92 ("*") |
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