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00:12:55 | tracktheripper | Hi |
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00:37:58 | tracktheripper | hi linus |
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00:49:06 | adi|home | you scared him off |
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00:57:42 | ken0__ | any dev alive? |
00:58:00 | LinusN | i'm not dead yet, i'm only 34 :-) |
00:58:12 | ken0__ | heh hi Linus |
00:58:37 | ken0__ | 2 quick ones before I hit the bed - found 2 unplayable MP3s which play well on winamp |
00:59:03 | wethion | I'm trying to build the daily CVS sources for rockbox, and I'm getting errors, but it occurs to me to ask, is there a substantial difference between the pre-built daily releases and the cvs source? |
00:59:17 | LinusN | ken0__: i want them |
00:59:26 | LinusN | define "unplayable" |
00:59:32 | ken0__ | also, if I delete a file it keeps playing what's in buffer already and afterwards it just reads from the next file as if it was the same song |
00:59:38 | ken0__ | no audio |
00:59:39 | LinusN | wethion: no |
00:59:55 | wethion | LinusN: Thanks. |
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01:00:05 | LinusN | wethion: what errors? |
01:00:45 | LinusN | ken0__: you delete the current file? |
01:00:53 | ken0__ | indeed |
01:01:06 | ken0__ | CVS 030326 |
01:01:28 | ken0__ | by current I assume you mean currently playing.. |
01:02:08 | LinusN | yes |
01:02:27 | LinusN | you should always try the latest build |
01:02:49 | LinusN | ken0__: can you provide one of those files? |
01:02:55 | wethion | LinusN: sh-elf-gcc not found. |
01:02:59 | ken0__ | trying to find it, a sec |
01:03:23 | ken0__ | as for the ability to delete open file- is this fixed in latest build? |
01:03:24 | LinusN | wethion: do you have the cross compiler installed? |
01:03:48 | tracktheripper | hi adi |
01:04:20 | LinusN | ken0__: no, nothing prevents you from deleting an open file |
01:04:42 | tracktheripper | :) |
01:04:43 | ken0__ | and.. this is acceptable? |
01:04:45 | wethion | LinusN: apparently not. I rarely have any builds that require elf compatibility though. |
01:06:32 | LinusN | wethion: it has little to do with ELF, everything to do with CPU type |
01:07:17 | LinusN | you mean that you have an SH1 cross compiler for another file format? |
01:07:33 | ken0__ | crap I think I deleted that dir |
01:07:43 | ken0__ | they are on CDs somewhere.. will try and find them |
01:08:27 | wethion | LinusN: I'm not a developer per se. I just doink about here and there. can you define 'cross compiler', and I doubt I have a cross compiler at all. |
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01:09:00 | wethion | LinusN: and I could be just completely confused and not even know it. :) |
01:09:14 | ken0__ | about the open file deletion, I'm all for deleting open files if that's what the user wants, but shouldn't playing the next song if there is no current song anymore be avoided? |
01:09:40 | LinusN | a cross compiler is a compiler that runs on a system with one CPU architecture (like Intel x86) but compiles code for another (in this case Hitachi SH1) |
01:10:04 | LinusN | ken0__: why? |
01:10:09 | wethion | LinusN: in that case, no, I do not have a cross compiler, for sure. |
01:10:15 | LinusN | if the current song faisl to load, go to the next |
01:10:33 | LinusN | wethion: windows or linux? |
01:10:40 | wethion | LinusN: Linux. |
01:10:48 | LinusN | (tahnk god) |
01:10:50 | wethion | Debian unstable to be specific. |
01:11:06 | ken0__ | LinusN yes, but it doesn't "go to the next", it loads the next "chunk" into the buffer from the next file, while keeping the display as if it was the previous _deleted_ song |
01:11:17 | LinusN | aha |
01:11:46 | LinusN | ken0__: file a bug report |
01:12:02 | tracktheripper | LinusN I think I know what caused my Tetris problem |
01:12:02 | ken0__ | okay |
01:12:15 | LinusN | wethion: http://rockbox.haxx.se/cross-gcc.html |
01:12:16 | ken0__ | I'm still mad about the whole doom thing though :) |
01:12:23 | LinusN | tracktheripper: really??? |
01:12:26 | tracktheripper | me 2 ken |
01:12:28 | tracktheripper | yea |
01:12:31 | ken0__ | hehe |
01:12:31 | wethion | ken0__: I think that's an old bug, yes? I confused the hell out of my archos today, and it showed no song playing, while the original song was still playing. |
01:12:42 | wethion | LinusN: am looking.. thanks. |
01:12:56 | tracktheripper | On my Recorder I had at least 4 firmwares on i |
01:13:09 | tracktheripper | somehow the Recorder kept getting confused |
01:14:03 | tracktheripper | and LinusN, Adimas keeps picking on me :( |
01:14:18 | LinusN | saw that, i'll punish him hard |
01:14:33 | tracktheripper | he said I scared u off :( |
01:14:44 | LinusN | :-) |
01:14:44 | tracktheripper | I was just trying to be civil |
01:15:18 | LinusN | ken0__: about the silent MP3, i'm pretty sure that it is a CRC issue |
01:15:54 | tracktheripper | But I still wonder where that error message comes from (its in the bug report somewhere) |
01:15:59 | LinusN | some crappy encoders set the "CRC protection" flag in the MP3 header but never calculate a CRC |
01:16:00 | ken0__ | prolly is, but how come software players seem to work? |
01:16:17 | ken0__ | how can this be fixed? |
01:16:18 | LinusN | winamp doesn't check the CRC |
01:16:23 | ken0__ | oh |
01:16:31 | LinusN | the MAS always checks it and we can't make it not to |
01:16:37 | ken0__ | so I'll decode with winamp and reencode I guess |
01:16:45 | LinusN | no need |
01:16:58 | LinusN | there are tools that can recalculate the CRC's |
01:17:15 | LinusN | maybe VBRfix can do it? |
01:17:24 | LinusN | (not the rockbox one) |
01:17:25 | ken0__ | hmm I'll try.. |
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01:18:16 | LinusN | tracktheripper: please explain once more, did you find out what caused the IllInst error in Tetris? |
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01:25:21 | ken0__ | okay I'm out to bed got guard duty tomorrow :( |
01:25:33 | ken0__ | I'll quit the chan to avoid trillian from getting me banned again hehe |
01:25:33 | LinusN | ken0__: nite |
01:25:34 | wethion | Well, that was a good test of my journaling fs. seems to work ok. :) |
01:25:55 | LinusN | wethion: power loss? |
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01:26:20 | wethion | LinusN: Nah, kicked the plug out of the wall. Heh. Really need a UPS. |
01:27:03 | wethion | 'an' UPS rather. |
01:27:55 | LinusN | we are not picky about grammar here |
01:27:57 | LinusN | :-) |
01:28:10 | LinusN | and it is "a" UPS :-) |
01:28:22 | elinenbe|awake | I picky 'bout gramma |
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01:28:49 | LinusN | my gramma is asleep, so i can do whatever i want |
01:29:00 | elinenbe | gud gramma important |
01:29:13 | LinusN | me thinks so also |
01:29:36 | elinenbe | Linus: I just won doom playing against 8 other people through a usb hub |
01:30:04 | elinenbe | But honestly, for a Swede, your english is pretty good. |
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01:31:34 | wethion | LinusN: Err.. thought the rule was if the following word began with a vowel, or sounded like a vowel ( an herb ) excepting Y, it was an. |
01:31:36 | LinusN | elinenbe: thanks |
01:32:41 | LinusN | wethion: UPS is pronounced ju-pee-ess, hence a leading consonant |
01:32:59 | wethion | wow, talk about bringing conversation to an halt. :) |
01:33:02 | LinusN | consonant sound, that is |
01:33:18 | LinusN | wethion: talk about off topic:-) |
01:33:21 | wethion | Oh... Ok, sounds good to me. |
01:33:25 | wethion | Ok, I'm done. |
01:33:34 | LinusN | how about the cross compiler |
01:33:35 | LinusN | ? |
01:34:10 | Dragonfly1600 | Hey.. is there any way that I can make it so my Jukebox Studio shows JUST the Title of the song when I play a song...? |
01:35:51 | LinusN | Dragonfly1600: yes, create a custom WPS config file |
01:36:21 | Dragonfly1600 | umm.. sounds hard.. how do I go about doing that? |
01:36:32 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html |
01:37:00 | Dragonfly1600 | oh boy.. thanks, i'm gonna give it a try |
01:39:21 | wethion | LinusN: Hell, I might as well get & build it if for nothing else other than shits and giggles. Thanks, I'll be back later. Peace. |
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01:39:35 | LinusN | in your case, create a file .rockbox/mywps.wps containing the string "%?it|<%it|%fm>" (without the quotes) |
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01:52:41 | LinusN | guys, what do we want to happen when pressing NEXT when playing the last song (repeat=off)? |
01:52:58 | LinusN | today it does nothing, keeps playing the song |
01:54:13 | Dragonfly1600 | LinusN grr.. i tried to do it, and it didn't work.. and i just copied and pasted the thing you told me, and it didn't work either |
01:54:34 | LinusN | did you Play the file afterwards? |
01:54:48 | Dragonfly1600 | .. play it? |
01:54:54 | LinusN | select it and press play |
01:57:00 | Dragonfly1600 | it's not showing up... like on the screen, it just doesnt show up |
01:58:13 | LinusN | ok, let's break it down, did you create a mywps.wps file in the .rockbox dir? |
01:59:01 | Dragonfly1600 | i saved it as system.wps |
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02:00:03 | LinusN | ok, and what happens when you press Play on it? |
02:01:00 | Dragonfly1600 | the .rockbox folder doesnt show up |
02:01:02 | LinusN | oops i see a typo in my example |
02:02:04 | LinusN | menu->general settings->file view->show files->all |
02:02:23 | Dragonfly1600 | ah i c |
02:04:41 | Dragonfly1600 | ok.. good, but it doesn't scroll and the time isnt there at all |
02:05:17 | LinusN | you said: "is there any way that I can make it so my Jukebox Studio shows JUST the Title of the song when I play a song...?" |
02:06:48 | Dragonfly1600 | grr.. technicalities.. ok.. how do i have the title scroll, it just be the title, and have the remaining time to total time at the bottom..? |
02:07:27 | LinusN | ok, first line: %?it<%it|%fm> |
02:08:19 | Dragonfly1600 | ok |
02:09:10 | LinusN | second line: %pc%?ps<*|/>%pt |
02:10:02 | Dragonfly1600 | ok |
02:10:41 | LinusN | this will show xx:xx*yy:yy if shuffle is on and xx:xx/yy:yy is shuffle is off |
02:11:14 | Dragonfly1600 | yeah, it works now |
02:11:16 | Dragonfly1600 | thank you |
02:11:20 | LinusN | you're welcome |
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02:15:52 | Dragonfly1600 | Hmm.. I got one for you... Is there a way to have the first line pause when it gets back to the first character, and then start scrolling again? |
02:17:07 | LinusN | nope |
02:19:19 | Dragonfly1600 | aww |
02:21:20 | Dragonfly1600 | but you have to be able to do it.. the regular archos firmware does it |
02:21:44 | LinusN | why must we be able to just because someone else does it? |
02:22:59 | Dragonfly1600 | i don't know.. maybe because of a little thing called copying it... or gee umm, isnt the whole rockbox firmware just customized and edited...? |
02:23:16 | LinusN | it is written from scratch |
02:23:27 | LinusN | every single byte |
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02:26:22 | Dragonfly1600 | well, wouldn't it be a good feature to look into? |
02:26:34 | LinusN | file a feature request |
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02:38:29 | Temfate | hmm... |
02:38:48 | Temfate | linus; I give up trying to find that bug I was tracking... |
02:39:06 | LinusN | :-( |
02:39:06 | Temfate | only effects my recorder; none of the others I've tried show it at all. |
02:39:22 | Temfate | but it IS rockbox related! |
02:39:25 | Temfate | archos runs fine! |
02:39:29 | Temfate | ???????????? |
02:39:37 | LinusN | that is actually good information |
02:40:30 | Temfate | my final guess is that it's related to the spin up time and something happening to quickly. |
02:41:00 | LinusN | maybe |
02:41:01 | Temfate | I get it to crash just trying to delete files! |
02:41:16 | Temfate | anytime the disc spins up it's likely to crash on me. |
02:41:19 | LinusN | you say it freezes with the red led active? |
02:41:24 | Temfate | yes |
02:41:37 | LinusN | you should talk to zagor about it |
02:41:46 | Temfate | did he find something similar? |
02:41:52 | LinusN | he might send you some test code |
02:41:59 | LinusN | he is the (main) ATA guy |
02:42:05 | Temfate | will do; he's a morning guy right? |
02:42:30 | Temfate | or that is morning to me! |
02:42:34 | LinusN | well, he works, and he lives in sweden |
02:43:18 | Temfate | k; morning to me (Denver, CO) |
02:43:40 | LinusN | i'm swedish too |
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02:43:50 | LinusN | it's 2:44 am here |
02:44:01 | Temfate | geez man, get some sleep! :) |
02:44:08 | LinusN | will do |
02:51:48 | LinusN | time to sleep |
02:51:49 | LinusN | nit all! |
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03:05:03 | Dragonfly1600 | i'm so confused... a feature that i want is "available in CVS" but not regularly .. umm, what? |
03:39:24 | Temfate | what feature? |
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03:51:59 | Dragonfly1600 | oh sorry |
03:52:41 | Dragonfly1600 | umm.. when playing a song, the scrolling top line stops for like a second then starts again |
03:53:39 | Dragonfly1600 | somewhere on a sourceforge page, it said that it's a feature on CVS |
03:57:25 | Dragonfly1600 | u there Temfate? |
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04:05:17 | elinenbe|sleep | assg |
04:06:14 | Dragonfly1600 | ? |
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05:01:03 | Dragonfly1600 | i'm so confused... a feature that i want is "available in CVS".. umm, what? |
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05:55:10 | Hobbzey | hello all |
05:56:58 | Hobbzey | I just want to say that I'm impressed by what the group had done so far |
05:57:23 | Hobbzey | and I had a question or two for you guys |
05:58:16 | Hobbzey | hello? |
05:59:14 | Hobbzey | anyone here? |
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06:02:00 | Hobbzey | I was just wondering if there are any ongoing developements on the MMJB? |
06:04:23 | Hobbzey | hello? is anyone on here? |
06:05:43 | Hobbzey | Hello? |
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06:10:19 | Hobbzey | you guys asleep? or just too good to talk to visitors? |
06:11:56 | Hobbzey | hello jerks? |
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07:05:49 | CYM | hey,,, I have a quick question, maybe someone can answer... With the Archo Jukebox (studio) w/ the RockBox firmware, how do I queue up songs? |
07:06:52 | CYM | anyone? |
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09:14:34 | Bagder | morning |
09:15:17 | Zagor_ | morn |
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09:27:38 | adi|home | we've had a drastic influx of asses lately... |
09:27:50 | adi|home | <Hobbzey> you guys asleep? or just too good to talk to visitors? |
09:27:54 | adi|home | <Hobbzey> hello jerks? |
09:28:00 | adi|home | then logged off |
09:28:04 | Bagder | hahaha |
09:28:10 | Zagor | friendly fellow :-) |
09:28:25 | adi|home | yup... |
09:28:31 | adi|home | and i love this one... |
09:28:39 | adi|home | <Hobbzey> I was just wondering if there are any ongoing developements on the MMJB? |
09:28:43 | adi|home | <Hobbzey> hello? is anyone on here? |
09:28:44 | adi|home | <Hobbzey> Hello? |
09:28:45 | adi|home | lol |
09:28:59 | adi|home | dude.. i only wish that was in a FAQ or something.. oh.. wait |
09:30:15 | Bagder | you seen the philips player? |
09:30:28 | langhaarrocker | I have a recorder :) |
09:30:29 | Zagor | I signed up for the test :-) |
09:30:41 | Bagder | aha, is that possible |
09:30:48 | Zagor | yup |
09:30:52 | adi|home | whats this? |
09:31:26 | Bagder | http://www.audio.philips.com/betatest_HDD100.asp |
09:37:04 | dwihno | yay! |
09:39:01 | Zagor | yikes. i've found a real documentation hero: http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel/projects/vm/guide/html/understand/ |
09:40:07 | Bagder | gosh |
09:43:19 | Bagder | but its thesis, not a spare time project ;-) |
09:43:22 | Bagder | a thesis |
09:43:39 | Zagor | ah, ok |
09:43:45 | Zagor | still pretty impressive |
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09:43:53 | Bagder | oh yes |
09:44:00 | Quelsaruk | morning |
09:44:01 | Quelsaruk | :) |
09:44:05 | Bagder | morning Q |
09:44:22 | Quelsaruk | that sounded like a james bond film :) |
09:44:54 | Bagder | :-) |
09:48:57 | dwihno | The next project: PhilBox? :) |
09:49:12 | Quelsaruk | philbox? |
09:49:14 | langhaarrocker | I don't want to enter any boxes yet! |
09:49:26 | Bagder | get phil into the box! |
09:49:30 | langhaarrocker | nonono |
09:50:47 | Quelsaruk | i like the idea |
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09:50:59 | Quelsaruk | have you considered an axe as compresion tool? |
09:51:06 | Quelsaruk | :) |
09:51:43 | langhaarrocker | You may use the axe on the box but not on me to fit me into the box. |
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09:53:52 | Quelsaruk | maybe an axe is a quite rude tool... i may be able to find a compresor(tm) from the inquisition |
09:54:22 | dwihno | Quelsaruk: you're a part of the spanish inquisition?! :D |
09:55:03 | Quelsaruk | shhhhhh. that's a secret ;) |
09:57:04 | dwihno | :-) |
09:57:10 | dwihno | Let's all rejoice! |
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10:01:05 | Quelsaruk | who has a player here? |
10:01:32 | Bagder | how's the doc going Quelsaruk? |
10:03:20 | Quelsaruk | i have to finish WPS, Customizing UI and explaining ROLO. During the week i have less spare time, but i think i will finish it this morning (but i still need some screenshots) |
10:07:05 | adi|home | would we be willing to hold off on 2.0 till the doc is ready? |
10:07:28 | Bagder | I think so |
10:09:22 | * | thu is away: I'm busy |
10:09:47 | Quelsaruk | adi|home: i'm doing the manual as if 2.0 is the current version |
10:12:38 | Quelsaruk | umm |
10:12:43 | Quelsaruk | as i was saying before... |
10:12:52 | Quelsaruk | does anyone have an archos player here? |
10:13:32 | Quelsaruk | how do you move through ID3 info with a player? using left/right? |
10:13:41 | Quelsaruk | (i have no simulator here) |
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10:14:41 | * | Bagder realizes he has no idea ;-) |
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10:37:21 | tracktheripper | morning Bagder, Dwihno, Quel and Zagor :) |
10:37:29 | Bagder | 'lo |
10:37:44 | tracktheripper | :) hows it going? |
10:38:00 | tracktheripper | I saw Quel;s manual it looks good so far |
10:38:18 | Quelsaruk | :) |
10:38:37 | Quelsaruk | i'm changing text size (was too big) and finishing it |
10:39:06 | tracktheripper | cool. Im not sure if Zagor wants it in PDF format though |
10:39:37 | Zagor | pdf is good, as long as there's a html version too |
10:40:02 | tracktheripper | :D |
10:40:08 | Quelsaruk | :) |
10:40:16 | tracktheripper | I just thought u were against propietory formats like doc and pdf |
10:40:31 | Quelsaruk | no prob in making a html manual |
10:40:41 | Zagor | there is a huge difference btwn doc and pdf |
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10:41:42 | tracktheripper | I think some of those open-source office programs support .doc as well (Like Star Office) |
10:41:53 | Bagder | not fully |
10:42:01 | Bagder | but almost |
10:42:02 | Zagor | sure. but .doc is a horrible mess of 15 formats |
10:42:03 | tracktheripper | oh ok |
10:42:08 | Zagor | pdf is at least documented |
10:42:11 | tracktheripper | really? |
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10:42:32 | tracktheripper | I noticed that the latest version of Word only works if u have 2000 or XP |
10:42:41 | Zagor | how surprising |
10:42:51 | tracktheripper | more microsoft bullying I take it |
10:42:55 | dwihno | RTF to the people! :) |
10:43:22 | Quelsaruk | plain text!! |
10:43:27 | tracktheripper | as in Rich Text Format or RTFM as in Read the manual! |
10:43:34 | Quelsaruk | everyone can read a plain text file :P |
10:43:39 | Quelsaruk | even with rockbox |
10:43:41 | Zagor | plain text rocks |
10:43:42 | tracktheripper | hi Dwihno |
10:43:43 | tracktheripper | :) |
10:43:46 | Quelsaruk | :) |
10:43:48 | dwihno | Quelsaruk: hmm, word does not manage plain text ;D |
10:43:59 | dwihno | howdy track, evil ninja dude |
10:44:00 | tracktheripper | yes but I think Doc is more flexible? |
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10:44:07 | tracktheripper | :) |
10:44:13 | tracktheripper | im not talking to Adimas now :) |
10:44:22 | Zagor | dwihno: RTF is a MS format too |
10:44:52 | dwihno | Zagor: At least you can use it with every word processor :) |
10:45:21 | tracktheripper | Zagor, what you have to realise is that 99.999999999% of PCs sold come wiv Windows and Word, No wonder they are the dominant formats :) |
10:45:33 | Zagor | not really. rtf too has a dozen different formats, and ms-only extensions. |
10:45:48 | Zagor | but above all, who wants to use a word processor to read documentation? |
10:45:53 | tracktheripper | oh ok :) |
10:46:06 | langhaarrocker | Quel: Where do I find your docu? |
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10:46:15 | tracktheripper | I think PDF is the best compromise as the Acrobat Reader is free :-) |
10:46:29 | tracktheripper | (-: |
10:46:35 | Bagder | tracktheripper: that 99.999999999% is a exactly and well research number I guess? ;-) |
10:46:54 | tracktheripper | erm, its a close aproxximation ;-) |
10:47:17 | tracktheripper | Linux still has a long way to go before it finnally defeats Windows |
10:47:29 | Zagor | I don't care how many people use Word. I don't. |
10:47:32 | Quelsaruk | langhaarrocker: i have to send it to you :) |
10:47:36 | langhaarrocker | Strange. I thought you unix guys all want to have some postscript files. |
10:47:44 | langhaarrocker | quel: don't bother then. |
10:47:48 | tracktheripper | so do use Notepad to write letters Zagor? :-) |
10:48:06 | Zagor | of course not. I use abiwrite |
10:48:11 | tracktheripper | :D |
10:48:19 | langhaarrocker | edlin rules! |
10:48:30 | tracktheripper | I looked at a JPEG taken with the MM and its camera attachment |
10:48:36 | tracktheripper | the quality is crap to say the least |
10:49:48 | tracktheripper | :) |
10:49:56 | Bagder | well, people buy phones with crappy cameras, so why not mp3 players? ;-) |
10:50:18 | tracktheripper | :( |
10:50:25 | | Part langhaarrocker |
10:50:49 | tracktheripper | badger please make rockbox work on the MM (just to please MM owners) |
10:51:01 | Zagor | lol |
10:51:01 | tracktheripper | im thinking of getting a MM as well :-) |
10:51:02 | Bagder | sure |
10:51:06 | Bagder | if you pay me |
10:51:41 | tracktheripper | ill pay you once working Rockbox is working fully on the MM |
10:51:42 | tracktheripper | :-) |
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10:52:02 | tracktheripper | By the way Zagor, Archos are seriously thinking about supporting WMA on the All the Jukeboxes |
10:52:15 | Zagor | yeah, right... |
10:52:27 | tracktheripper | hang on, here is their email they sent me |
10:52:29 | Bagder | I estimate a couple of work months to get it started, so I'd say you need to pay up some... 30000 USD to start with |
10:52:30 | langhaarrocker | They have the MAS docs? |
10:52:38 | Zagor | tracktheripper: they can't |
10:52:51 | tracktheripper | Archos is currently working on supporting WMA format for all Jukebox players. While this is planned it is not guaranteed and I can give you no timeframe for when such an update might be released. It will only support standard MP3 format at this time. |
10:52:58 | tracktheripper | thats what Archos emailed to me |
10:53:01 | Bagder | please stop repeating that crap track |
10:53:11 | tracktheripper | :-( |
10:53:12 | Zagor | it's bullshit. the players can't support wma. |
10:53:12 | Bagder | they have some Q&A page saying that too |
10:53:28 | Bagder | its blatant lie |
10:53:31 | Bagder | +a |
10:53:45 | Bagder | they haven't touch the firmwares in over a year |
10:53:52 | Bagder | why would they bother to fix a dead product? |
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10:54:07 | Zagor | I excpect, if pushed, they will say they mean "all out FUTURE players" |
10:54:17 | Bagder | yes, the mm support it afaik |
10:54:22 | langhaarrocker | Maybe they forgot about the original player/recorder. |
10:54:50 | Zagor | at leat the MM *can* support it. i'm not sure it does today. |
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10:54:57 | Bagder | ok |
10:54:59 | tracktheripper | dam AOL |
10:55:01 | tracktheripper | cut me off again |
10:55:08 | dwihno | Aliens online! |
10:55:19 | tracktheripper | ((thumps Dwihno)) |
10:55:57 | tracktheripper | :-) |
10:56:47 | tracktheripper | Realizer rules! :-) |
10:57:31 | tracktheripper | not |
10:59:36 | dwihno | realizer |
10:59:37 | dwihno | ? |
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11:00:50 | tracktheripper | erm, something that enhances sounds quality |
11:02:08 | Zagor | dwihno: it's an equalizer plugin |
11:02:38 | Zagor | totally bogus |
11:03:21 | tracktheripper | Dwihno: According to the Realizer website it "helps to restore the rich and dynamic sound of CDs by magically restoring the lost frequencies during the MP3 compression!" |
11:03:57 | Zagor | are there no laws agains fraud in advertising in the us? |
11:04:23 | Bagder | free speech! |
11:04:37 | Bagder | they even tried to claim burning crosses is free speach |
11:04:51 | Zagor | yeah. nike actually used that defense successfully... |
11:05:05 | tracktheripper | Zagor before you laugh your head off, Ive used Realizer myself |
11:05:08 | Bagder | but the burning crosses case lost |
11:05:09 | tracktheripper | I have Realizer on my PC |
11:05:30 | Zagor | so? |
11:06:23 | tracktheripper | but unfortunatly all it did was overblow the bass and treble ends in the music, it did nothing to aid sound quality (please dont laugh at me) |
11:06:46 | Zagor | i told you so |
11:07:00 | tracktheripper | :-( |
11:07:26 | Zagor | you didn't actually pay for it, did you? |
11:07:40 | tracktheripper | no it came free with Roxio Easy CD Creator 5 |
11:08:03 | tracktheripper | but you can buy Realizer for $20 i think |
11:08:59 | tracktheripper | Increasing the Loudness in Rockbox sounds a lot better |
11:10:14 | tracktheripper | lol talk about snake oil |
11:10:14 | tracktheripper | :D |
11:11:34 | langhaarrocker | Viagra 4 Rockbox! |
11:12:07 | tracktheripper | viagra |
11:12:07 | tracktheripper | ? |
11:12:27 | langhaarrocker | Viagra maximizes too. :) |
11:12:40 | Bagder | Zagor: you gonna go to the os talk tomorrow? |
11:13:04 | tracktheripper | langhaarrocker you shouldnt stick it in the USB port :-) |
11:13:04 | Bagder | I am |
11:13:18 | Zagor | Bagder: yes |
11:13:35 | Quelsaruk | are you going to shout "death to microsoft windows" ? |
11:13:48 | tracktheripper | hey! |
11:13:50 | Bagder | its an open source talk |
11:13:52 | tracktheripper | leave MS Windows alone |
11:13:57 | tracktheripper | quels |
11:14:13 | Bagder | I leave windows as often as I can ;-) |
11:14:24 | tracktheripper | I have Windows XP |
11:14:29 | Bagder | hahaha |
11:14:43 | tracktheripper | there is nofing wrong wiv it |
11:14:43 | tracktheripper | works great |
11:14:43 | tracktheripper | ;-) |
11:14:47 | Bagder | I've seen an xp |
11:15:14 | tracktheripper | XP has a very easy to use interface |
11:15:33 | Bagder | it looks like a toy the entire ui, if you ask me |
11:15:47 | tracktheripper | no it does not |
11:15:54 | langhaarrocker | I like toys |
11:15:56 | Bagder | then we disagree |
11:15:59 | tracktheripper | if that case u may as well say the same about the Apple Mac interface |
11:16:16 | Bagder | possible, never used it |
11:16:47 | tracktheripper | yea Badger it may look like a toy, but at least its idiot-proof |
11:16:49 | tracktheripper | unlike Linux :-) |
11:16:57 | dwihno | Bagder: At work, we call it dagis xp |
11:16:58 | Bagder | its idiot-proof too |
11:17:04 | Bagder | they stay away! |
11:17:18 | tracktheripper | :-P |
11:17:20 | Bagder | dwihno: hehe |
11:17:35 | tracktheripper | ((kills Badger)) |
11:17:49 | dwihno | Bagder: 85% of the system resources are spent doing "fancy" stuff. |
11:18:05 | dwihno | I'm a windows person myself (mostly) but when it comes to XP, I don't have mycket till övers :) |
11:18:35 | tracktheripper | dwihno ever since In installed XP my PC has been very stable |
11:18:43 | tracktheripper | never get blue-screens |
11:19:18 | dwihno | tracktheripper: my computer came pre-installed with XP. I knew at least 4 ways to make it dump on me. |
11:19:40 | langhaarrocker | I got a black screen on my xp laptop :( |
11:19:55 | tracktheripper | well Dwihno perhaps thats because you are unable to read simple instructions :-) |
11:20:04 | Bagder | lunch! |
11:20:04 | Quelsaruk | i won't tell you what i have on my screen ;) |
11:20:10 | tracktheripper | and Langhaarocker try turning your laptop on :-) |
11:20:25 | tracktheripper | lol wots that Quelsaruk? |
11:20:27 | Quelsaruk | Bagder: are you coming back after lunch? |
11:20:30 | langhaarrocker | track: that was when my backlight was broken. |
11:20:38 | dwihno | Quelsaruk: cerveza grande? |
11:21:09 | langhaarrocker | I assume a picture of his favorite goat. |
11:21:28 | tracktheripper | then just shine a torch on it :-) |
11:21:34 | Quelsaruk | :P |
11:21:56 | tracktheripper | kebab with starka sasen |
11:22:04 | Quelsaruk | brb! |
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12:00:36 | langhaarrocker | what's the difference between const static int and static const int ? |
12:01:34 | Schnueff | hm is there one? |
12:06:11 | langhaarrocker | I just wonder why someone made that distinction in peakmeter.c (definition of db_scale_src_values) |
12:06:51 | langhaarrocker | Maybe it's simply that not every compiler eats const static int. |
12:06:59 | PsycoXul | heh |
12:33:21 | adi|home | anyone know any linux tools off hand to play a .DAT file? |
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12:52:45 | Zagor | adi|home: a .dat file? that's an awful generic name |
12:55:39 | dwihno | well |
12:55:54 | dwihno | .dat MIGHT be the VCD track file thingy |
12:56:02 | dwihno | mplayer plays most formats |
12:56:10 | dwihno | Just make sure you got them codecs for fishy avi formats |
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13:11:58 | Bagder | mr spock's brain - unplugged! |
13:12:04 | * | Bagder returns |
13:12:49 | Bagder | no cheering? ;-) |
13:15:36 | quel|out | HI Bagder!!!!! |
13:15:41 | quel|out | We all love you |
13:15:42 | quel|out | ;) |
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13:15:59 | * | Bagder is relieved |
13:16:07 | dwihno | WELCOME BACK BAGDER! YAY YAY YAY! :D |
13:16:11 | dwihno | We're so glad you're safe! |
13:16:27 | Bagder | I had lunch with Zagor, anything can happen then! ;-) |
13:17:09 | quelsaruk | :) |
13:17:26 | quelsaruk | http://usuarios.lycos.es/delecami/Rockbox-manual.pdf |
13:17:32 | quelsaruk | critics needed :) |
13:17:50 | quelsaruk | i'm now correcting some things langhaarrocker told me. |
13:18:35 | dwihno | Bagder: Starka såsen, I presume? |
13:18:47 | Bagder | pizza Calzone! |
13:18:56 | dwihno | Bagder: Ask Linus to take you and Zagor to Kronans pizza! They do pretty good kebab with starka såsen! :) |
13:19:04 | * | dwihno can intyga that :) |
13:19:14 | Bagder | I'll do that when he returns to life |
13:21:10 | Bagder | quelsaruk: I have one rather silly remark |
13:21:13 | quelsaruk | as an angel in black?? |
13:21:26 | quelsaruk | of course Bagder, i love silly remarks |
13:21:29 | quelsaruk | :P |
13:21:36 | Bagder | you think we need to explain "root folder" ? |
13:21:39 | quelsaruk | all my life is silly and weird |
13:21:56 | Bagder | do computer newbies understand that phrase? |
13:22:16 | quelsaruk | ummm... yups |
13:22:21 | quelsaruk | i must explain it |
13:22:30 | quelsaruk | but... |
13:22:32 | quelsaruk | that's hard |
13:22:45 | Bagder | I remember reading the bug report where the fellow said: |
13:22:47 | quelsaruk | silly things are usually the most difficult to explain |
13:22:52 | quelsaruk | :) |
13:22:58 | Bagder | "directories, what's that? aaaah, you mean folders!" |
13:23:48 | quelsaruk | i normally use folders, because windoze users just understand folders, and linux users... should know what a folder is ;) |
13:23:53 | Bagder | another nit |
13:23:58 | Bagder | section 6.1 |
13:24:16 | Bagder | the keys are centered in the player table, but left-aligned in the recorder table |
13:24:17 | quelsaruk | menu controls... |
13:24:18 | Zagor | "Bleeding edge is the same as Daily build, but generated every 20 minutes." could be "...but built from the latest development code every 20 minutes." |
13:24:37 | quelsaruk | thanks zagor :) |
13:24:39 | quelsaruk | changing it |
13:25:15 | Zagor | also, "non-stable (not 100% stable)" could be replaced with "beta" simply |
13:25:16 | quelsaruk | (and yours Bagder) |
13:25:34 | Bagder | Zagor: that's not a newbie-friendly word ;-) |
13:25:44 | Zagor | ok |
13:25:45 | Bagder | NFW (tm) |
13:25:47 | quelsaruk | that's why i used non-stable |
13:26:03 | Zagor | the installation procedure should tell users to unzip the .zip file, not copy the .mod file |
13:26:16 | Zagor | only daily build users copy the .mod/.ajz file |
13:26:24 | quelsaruk | ajam... |
13:26:40 | quelsaruk | i never used a stable version |
13:26:40 | quelsaruk | :) |
13:26:51 | quelsaruk | always bleeding edge or self ccompiled |
13:27:07 | Bagder | this manual aren't really for people like ourselves |
13:28:02 | quelsaruk | well Bagder, maybe. |
13:28:03 | quelsaruk | i mean |
13:28:06 | quelsaruk | not all the manual |
13:28:21 | quelsaruk | but imagine you leave contact with rockbox for 2 weeks... |
13:28:32 | Bagder | "Walls are not eatable." <= good quote from the manual ;-) |
13:28:36 | quelsaruk | you can get lost with all new functions |
13:28:47 | Zagor | "Delete: we can only delete files." should be "Delete: We can only delete files, not directories." |
13:28:59 | Bagder | folders |
13:29:00 | Bagder | ;-) |
13:29:03 | quelsaruk | i copied langhaarrocker wormlet manual :) |
13:29:14 | Zagor | hehe |
13:29:31 | Zagor | "5.2 SUPORTED FILE FORMATS" bad spelling of "supported" |
13:30:06 | Bagder | how come page 20 looks so weird? |
13:30:10 | quelsaruk | zagor is agressive ;) |
13:30:44 | quelsaruk | bagder, because PART III is written, but Part II is not ended |
13:30:54 | Bagder | ah |
13:31:17 | quelsaruk | so i don't really mind about that until I finish the Using rockbox part |
13:31:18 | quelsaruk | ahh!! |
13:31:23 | quelsaruk | i little thing |
13:31:57 | Bagder | I think the manual is might fine |
13:32:01 | Bagder | mighty |
13:32:09 | quelsaruk | langhaarrocker thinks that each part should start with 1, 2.... so point 5 should be 1 (of part II) |
13:32:41 | quelsaruk | opinions about this? |
13:33:00 | Bagder | I disagree |
13:33:12 | Bagder | as it is now, its easier to talk about chapters and sections |
13:33:20 | Bagder | we can refer people to a specific place easily |
13:33:29 | quelsaruk | ok :) |
13:33:30 | Bagder | like see "section 6.9.3" |
13:33:31 | langhaarrocker | I never read a book where minor numerations superceded major numerations |
13:33:46 | quelsaruk | superceded?? |
13:33:50 | quelsaruk | what does that mean? |
13:33:57 | * | langhaarrocker thinks |
13:34:25 | * | quelsaruk see the smoke coming out from langhaarrocker's head |
13:34:32 | quelsaruk | take it easy langhaarrocker ;) |
13:35:10 | Bagder | quelsaruk: in section 5 "The file browser helps you navigate through your hard disk," can we change that to navigate through your Archos' hard disk or even simply through your Archos? |
13:35:23 | Zagor | quelsaruk: you need to add info about the three new channel modes in secion 6.2 |
13:35:42 | Bagder | I'm not sure everyone thinks of the Archos as a hard disk |
13:35:55 | Zagor | "the files on your Archos" maybe |
13:36:03 | Bagder | that's good |
13:36:06 | quelsaruk | ok, so navigating through your archos hard disk |
13:36:10 | quelsaruk | umm |
13:36:15 | Bagder | use Zagor's wording |
13:36:18 | quelsaruk | oookkkk |
13:36:25 | langhaarrocker | quel: I should have used "exceed" |
13:38:32 | langhaarrocker | (it's strange when words of a foreign language pop up in your brain that you can't translate into your native language and then find out that this word doesn't exist in the foreign language either.) |
13:38:58 | Zagor | also, in section 6.3.2, extensions are no longer shown in "supported" mode |
13:40:37 | * | quelsaruk working on all this erratas |
13:40:46 | quelsaruk | does errata exist on english? |
13:40:50 | Zagor | yes |
13:40:54 | quelsaruk | :) |
13:41:22 | Zagor | §6.3.4. explain that battery capacity is used for estimating battery time left. |
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13:41:33 | langhaarrocker | but isn't "errata" uncountable plural? |
13:41:51 | quelsaruk | in spanish we have "erratas" :) |
13:41:54 | Bagder | I think it is |
13:42:28 | langhaarrocker | These spanish guys generally have to many 's' at the ends of words. |
13:42:53 | Bagder | but never in the beginning |
13:42:57 | quelsaruk | but here in andalucia we cut the ending "s" |
13:43:14 | Zagor | trickle charge should say "Trickle charge is needed to keep the batteries full after charging has completed." |
13:44:28 | Zagor | 6.4.1: don't use a (tm) mark. we don't have a trademark. |
13:44:43 | Zagor | I know it's a joke, but it's best to avoid it. |
13:44:59 | quelsaruk | i used the tm because the WRS doesn't exist |
13:45:03 | quelsaruk | :) |
13:45:13 | langhaarrocker | quel: if you once should run out of ideas - what about a tutorial with example procedures? Like "How to record", "How to transfere a file", ... |
13:45:19 | Zagor | the screenshots are very wrong, also |
13:45:37 | quelsaruk | i know |
13:45:46 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: indeed a good suggestion |
13:45:48 | quelsaruk | but simulator hasn't got recording |
13:46:07 | quelsaruk | langhaarrocker: when i finish basic manual.. i will do that. |
13:46:25 | langhaarrocker | :) |
13:46:47 | quelsaruk | Zagor: i'm thinking in modifying the WPS to make it look the same as the recording screen, so i can make a false snapshot |
13:47:02 | quelsaruk | and do the same with F2 and F3 |
13:47:21 | Zagor | good idea |
13:47:26 | Bagder | or fix the "real" screenshot code |
13:47:29 | Bagder | :-9 |
13:47:51 | Bagder | Linus wrote code once, that dups the actual frame buffer to a file |
13:48:05 | Bagder | to be used on target |
13:48:16 | Bagder | s/dups/dumps |
13:48:41 | quelsaruk | Bagder: as a techno priest i should always use tricks, never make cool programming tasks ;) |
13:49:18 | * | Bagder begs his highness for forgiveness, having been rude to suggest something else |
13:49:44 | quelsaruk | :P |
13:49:50 | quelsaruk | i will consider that as an option |
13:50:02 | quelsaruk | forgiving you, i mean |
13:51:02 | quelsaruk | btw, if you look at the snapshots, you will see that i only use Heavy metal stuff :) |
13:51:31 | Bagder | hehe |
13:57:26 | langhaarrocker | Which is strange. On the jukebox you should only hear blue soft rubber stuff. |
13:58:19 | quelsaruk | i have a theory |
13:58:35 | quelsaruk | archos jukebox is heavy, no? |
13:58:50 | quelsaruk | the only music that fits that definition is..... |
13:58:53 | quelsaruk | heavy metal!!! |
13:58:54 | quelsaruk | :) |
13:59:31 | quelsaruk | the heaviest the archos.. the more powerful throwing weapon you have :) |
13:59:31 | dwihno | :-D |
13:59:35 | Zagor | we need a new language janitor. any volunteers? |
13:59:36 | dwihno | you are so wasted. |
13:59:58 | quelsaruk | language janitor?? |
14:00 |
14:00:26 | quelsaruk | dwihno: am i wasted? |
14:00:31 | quelsaruk | why? |
14:00:45 | Zagor | yes. someone who checks and applies language patches. bobthc is our current guy, but it seems he doesn't have enough free time. |
14:01:21 | quelsaruk | i don't know if i have enought time... but i know how to do that |
14:01:35 | quelsaruk | (i always check spanish language before sending the patch) |
14:02:50 | * | langhaarrocker never bothered with non-default-languages |
14:03:58 | dwihno | :) |
14:11:16 | Bagder | bbl |
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14:13:35 | dwihno | Would be nice to know how many rockbox users there are. |
14:13:40 | dwihno | 10000? |
14:13:56 | langhaarrocker | are there so many devices around? |
14:14:02 | Schnueff | lets count |
14:14:03 | Schnueff | 1 |
14:14:08 | dwihno | 2 |
14:14:21 | langhaarrocker | 3 |
14:14:57 | dwihno | There should be a rockboxcounter on the web page! |
14:15:30 | langhaarrocker | "enter your serial number to download" |
14:15:35 | Schnueff | heh |
14:15:37 | dwihno | :-) |
14:15:58 | quelsaruk | 4 |
14:16:00 | quelsaruk | umm |
14:16:01 | quelsaruk | no |
14:16:05 | quelsaruk | i use archos |
14:16:05 | quelsaruk | sorry |
14:16:12 | Schnueff | booo |
14:16:13 | Schnueff | :) |
14:16:17 | quelsaruk | am i in the wrong #channel? |
14:16:21 | langhaarrocker | Spalter! |
14:16:24 | quelsaruk | ;) |
14:16:49 | quelsaruk | that's why i can't find all that amazing stuf like Doom... :) |
14:17:10 | langhaarrocker | Quel: seems you joined the #drugs channel |
14:17:35 | quelsaruk | making this manual is killing me |
14:17:42 | quelsaruk | :) |
14:18:34 | langhaarrocker | to many smartasses with good suggestions around? :) |
14:22:05 | quelsaruk | too many wise guys.... |
14:22:30 | quelsaruk | i'm like Socrates, i only know that i know nothing :) |
14:23:49 | langhaarrocker | nah, I don't know. |
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14:39:57 | quelsaruk | lunch time |
14:40:01 | quelsaruk | cu later! |
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14:57:37 | Nomad__ | morning |
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14:57:43 | Nomad__ | but not a good one I think |
14:59:03 | Nomad__ | gotta ship my archos back to archos... it died |
15:00 |
15:02:57 | Zagor | died? |
15:09:44 | Nomad__ | yup |
15:10:03 | Nomad__ | power on and it hangs at the Firmware ver: 5.08 screen |
15:10:17 | Nomad__ | if I power off hard (hold the stop button) it gives a "HD Error" |
15:10:21 | Nomad__ | and that's it |
15:10:25 | Nomad__ | attempting to use the USB dies painfully |
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15:26:49 | TBoy | hoi :'( |
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15:26:57 | TBoy | hoi ripp |
15:27:04 | tracktheripper | :) |
15:27:05 | tracktheripper | hello |
15:27:13 | TBoy | something crappy happened today |
15:27:22 | tracktheripper | yea wat> |
15:27:26 | TBoy | the F2 button on my FM broke |
15:27:32 | TBoy | its not pressable |
15:27:34 | TBoy | :'( |
15:27:58 | tracktheripper | aw |
15:27:58 | tracktheripper | how did u manage that? |
15:28:04 | tracktheripper | did u press it too hard? |
15:28:22 | TBoy | it was in my pocket while I was eatin McDonald grub' in train |
15:28:29 | TBoy | I didn't even touch it |
15:28:31 | tracktheripper | ohh |
15:28:39 | tracktheripper | its prob clogged up the mechanism |
15:28:55 | TBoy | the time I pulled it out of my pocket I my pocket it was like that |
15:29:13 | tracktheripper | ohh |
15:29:16 | tracktheripper | send it back to Archos |
15:29:21 | TBoy | darn see I have had 5 different Players in about 5 months |
15:29:38 | TBoy | and all of them have had some sort of software/firmware probs |
15:29:56 | TBoy | and this one was the best of them so far |
15:29:57 | tracktheripper | well Ive had my Recorder 10 for a year and its never given me grief |
15:29:58 | TBoy | sofar |
15:30:16 | tracktheripper | lol |
15:30:17 | tracktheripper | :( |
15:30:26 | tracktheripper | im sure Zagor will fix it for u :) |
15:30:35 | TBoy | yea but the fm is abit rounder around edges |
15:31:10 | TBoy | so that way it is harder to get the button pressed while its in your pocket, I'd think :') |
15:31:18 | tracktheripper | ohh |
15:31:19 | Zagor | TBoy: is the button physically dented, or just doesn't react? |
15:31:19 | TBoy | gettin abit happier but still sad |
15:31:41 | TBoy | no its physically dented |
15:31:47 | tracktheripper | thats the trouble wiv the new Archoses |
15:32:01 | tracktheripper | they arent as well built as the normal Recorders |
15:32:14 | TBoy | its tilted down on the back(the side below the display) |
15:32:36 | TBoy | and second the color they used is coming of |
15:32:39 | TBoy | that sucks |
15:32:50 | TBoy | you barely need to touch it and it peels of |
15:33:03 | tracktheripper | yea the paint is very weak on the new Archoses |
15:33:08 | tracktheripper | especially the MM |
15:33:49 | TBoy | yep mine is the same as the fm ones |
15:34:05 | tracktheripper | is the paint really THAT weak? |
15:34:11 | dwihno | :-( |
15:34:14 | dwihno | booo |
15:34:29 | tracktheripper | hey Dwihno |
15:34:35 | dwihno | hey track |
15:34:40 | dwihno | back on track :D |
15:34:44 | TBoy | yep I just have to touch a spot about two times with my nail and it peels of |
15:34:47 | tracktheripper | Cant understand why because the paint on my Recorder is still holding on |
15:34:48 | TBoy | of=off |
15:35:03 | tracktheripper | and my Recorder gets used A LOT |
15:36:07 | tracktheripper | Ive noticed the texture of the paint on the FM Recorder/MM is not good as the normal Recorder |
15:38:42 | tracktheripper | TBoy what is the FM reception like on the FM Recorder? |
15:39:09 | TBoy | hmm |
15:39:14 | TBoy | its pretty good |
15:39:21 | tracktheripper | :) |
15:39:27 | tracktheripper | and how fast is the USB transfer speed? |
15:39:28 | TBoy | though I never use the archos firmware |
15:39:44 | TBoy | I just got it because of the Lithium batteries |
15:39:49 | tracktheripper | lol |
15:39:52 | Nomad__ | too bad I can't get archos to put a memory upgrade in my system when I send it in for RMA :< |
15:39:55 | tracktheripper | what is the archos firmware like on the FM? |
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15:40:43 | tracktheripper | hey Tboy ive had a fantastic idea |
15:40:45 | tracktheripper | ;-) |
15:41:02 | TBoy | hmm I haven't used an other archos product so I can't tell if its different |
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15:41:37 | TBoy | its stable, but still sux |
15:41:43 | tracktheripper | Just dissassemble the Archos firmware for the FM recorder back into code, nick the code that operates the FM tuner and plonk it into Rockbox! |
15:44:05 | TBoy | yep could do that but I haven't dissassembled anything and I know that its not that easy |
15:44:15 | TBoy | so I will just wait and cheer for them |
15:44:46 | TBoy | I'm now just waiting for an answer from the shop, from where I bought the FM |
15:45:21 | tracktheripper | ohhh |
15:45:56 | TBoy | I hope I get the newer fm |
15:46:03 | TBoy | if he exchanges it for me |
15:46:09 | TBoy | the one on the archos site |
15:46:12 | tracktheripper | lol |
15:46:15 | TBoy | I have a different one |
15:46:23 | tracktheripper | have they brought out a new FM recorder? |
15:46:43 | TBoy | mine isn't that blue and mine has platinum/chrome buttons |
15:46:45 | TBoy | hehe |
15:47:00 | TBoy | http://www.archos.com/img/products/290x230/jbfm_rec.jpg |
15:47:06 | TBoy | thats the newer one I think |
15:47:18 | tracktheripper | hangon']# |
15:47:53 | Zagor | i think it's the same, just bad lightning |
15:47:56 | TBoy | and mine looks more like this |
15:47:57 | TBoy | http://www.k55.de/pixbig/archosfmrecorder.jpg |
15:48:10 | TBoy | no mine doesn't have the text down there |
15:48:16 | TBoy | its on the side on mine |
15:48:38 | Zagor | ok |
15:49:08 | TBoy | I hope you guys'll hold your thumbs for me |
15:49:11 | dwihno | Zagor: You never told me where I can buy 256 meg smartmedia flash cards! :) |
15:49:18 | tracktheripper | ((holds his thumbs)) |
15:49:19 | dwihno | Zagor: No starka såsen for you! |
15:49:33 | Zagor | maybe because I have no idea... I use Compact Flash. |
15:49:34 | tracktheripper | starka sasen? |
15:49:40 | tracktheripper | what on earth is that? |
15:49:52 | TBoy | I think you can only get 128 |
15:50:02 | tracktheripper | get a 1GB IBM Microdrive |
15:50:11 | TBoy | they don't come in sizes above 128mb |
15:50:33 | tracktheripper | im prety sure they do |
15:50:39 | dwihno | TBoy: You are 110% sure about that? |
15:50:46 | TBoy | I am |
15:51:09 | TBoy | I have never seen bigger ones |
15:51:21 | dwihno | okay |
15:51:23 | dwihno | Me neither |
15:51:26 | dwihno | But if you say so... :) |
15:52:23 | tracktheripper | Smartmedia cards DO COME IN 256mb sizes |
15:52:56 | Zagor | tracktheripper: so show us a page with it. google can't find one. |
15:53:10 | TBoy | yea I would like to see that |
15:53:27 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: shouldn't it be "show us the code for one"? |
15:53:34 | Zagor | :) |
15:53:43 | TBoy | hehe |
15:53:54 | tracktheripper | Zagor visit Google and type in "256mb Smartmedia Card" |
15:54:04 | tracktheripper | complete with the speech marks |
15:55:43 | langhaarrocker | my stupid digicam doesn't eat any smartmedia cards > 32 mb :( |
15:55:52 | tracktheripper | Zagor the reason why Google didnt find a page for you is because u prob spelt "Smartmedia" wrong :) |
15:56:27 | tracktheripper | no starka sasen for u :D |
15:57:00 | Zagor | tracktheripper: ok, you are right. (no, I did spell it correct) |
15:57:25 | tracktheripper | :) |
15:57:26 | Zagor | now find a place where they can be bought |
15:57:26 | tracktheripper | cool |
15:57:32 | tracktheripper | you can have some starka sasen :D |
15:58:14 | tracktheripper | but you said u use compact flash so why do u want a smartmedia card for? :D :D :D |
15:58:19 | TBoy | ok track wins |
15:58:46 | dwihno | :D |
15:58:49 | dwihno | Starka såsen : |
15:58:50 | dwihno | :D |
15:58:52 | Temfate | hey zagor! I was told to ask ya about a ATA (red led) crash! on the fm recorder. |
15:58:53 | dwihno | Track wins! |
15:58:56 | dwihno | Track vs TBoy 1-0 |
15:59:03 | tracktheripper | I wonder if u can get a 512Mb Memory Stick? |
15:59:05 | Zagor | Temfate: ok |
15:59:09 | dwihno | I had a red led dead today aswell. |
15:59:16 | dwihno | It happens more easily when I walk |
15:59:24 | Temfate | from what I see it only kills my fm recorder. not any normal recorders. |
15:59:24 | dwihno | I've also discovered the "other" thing. |
15:59:42 | dwihno | When the playing stops and everything runs, the playing resumes when the buffer is re-filled the next time |
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16:00:06 | tracktheripper | Dwhihno how do you make the Recoder display 1 bit bitmaps like the Rockbox logo? |
16:00:57 | TBoy | yea I get the red led death often |
16:00:57 | Temfate | did you get that last one? I'm not used to irssi |
16:01:09 | Temfate | tboy: you do? when? |
16:01:13 | dwihno | tracktheripper: nopes, didn't check the code for that. |
16:01:19 | Temfate | what causes it? (guessing) |
16:01:23 | TBoy | it happens if I move/or shake |
16:01:35 | Temfate | hmm, mine occurs randomly with hd spinup |
16:01:42 | TBoy | after I skip a few songs or something |
16:01:51 | TBoy | yea |
16:02:07 | TBoy | and I can still go in the menu and then it just hangs |
16:02:09 | tracktheripper | What on earth possessed Archos to put such a stupidly small buffer in the JB in the first place? |
16:02:13 | Temfate | but I notice some of my directories change permissions from rw to r only |
16:02:18 | Zagor | tracktheripper: cost |
16:02:29 | Zagor | Temfate: !??! |
16:02:32 | tracktheripper | excuse me??? |
16:02:47 | tracktheripper | The Creative Labs Nomad for the same price has an 8Mb buffer! |
16:02:50 | Temfate | any ideas?!?! |
16:02:54 | Zagor | tracktheripper: as the ram mod proves, adding 4x the ram only adds 30% more battery life. so it's not worth the cost. |
16:03:03 | tracktheripper | ohhhh |
16:03:09 | Zagor | tracktheripper: the nomad still has less battery life than the archos.. |
16:03:15 | tracktheripper | i was tempted to try the ram upgrade |
16:03:22 | Temfate | can't we get those memory chips off some dimm? |
16:03:29 | TBoy | and after about 5- 6 min. it works again |
16:03:31 | tracktheripper | would be handy if u use 320kbs files |
16:04:16 | tracktheripper | >:D< |
16:04:18 | Temfate | tboy: it's nice to know my unit isn't the only one... Looks like fm recorders are still on loose ground. |
16:04:35 | tracktheripper | well look at the JB 6000s when they first came out |
16:04:48 | tracktheripper | they had a load of problems |
16:04:48 | Zagor | you are all running the latest daily builds, right= |
16:04:59 | TBoy | yep |
16:05:21 | TBoy | I am frequent updater |
16:05:43 | tracktheripper | you lot should have waited until Archos sorted out the teething troubles wiv the FM recorder |
16:05:51 | Temfate | same here. I build the cvs tree once a day |
16:07:14 | tracktheripper | Zagor apart from the slightly better battery life they has to be other benifits from the 8mb buffer upgrade |
16:07:47 | Zagor | tracktheripper: like what? |
16:08:10 | dwihno | caching the entire directory tree :) |
16:08:11 | Temfate | you can boost your anti-skip! :) |
16:08:15 | tracktheripper | i dunno, Faster song selection? |
16:08:20 | Zagor | no |
16:08:23 | dwihno | or perhaps cache the directory tree |
16:08:39 | dwihno | Or, we COULD cache the directory tree. |
16:08:41 | dwihno | ;-) |
16:08:46 | dwihno | That would be _SO_ cool |
16:08:49 | tracktheripper | so in all honesty Zagor the 8mb RAM upgrade isnt worth it? |
16:09:03 | Zagor | tracktheripper: no |
16:09:05 | dwihno | tracktheripper: well, for 320 kbit tunes, it would be usable. |
16:09:13 | dwihno | 320kbit = reading every 10 secs or so :) |
16:09:13 | Temfate | can't we get the same chips on a 128sdram module by kingston? |
16:09:21 | tracktheripper | well my Recorder plays 320kbs files fine |
16:09:28 | Temfate | 50 for 6 of em. |
16:09:31 | tracktheripper | the HD spins every 20 seconds though |
16:09:37 | tracktheripper | for 320kbs files |
16:09:49 | Zagor | dwihno: 320kbit = reading every 44 seconds |
16:10:27 | dwihno | Zagor: noway! :) |
16:11:06 | tracktheripper | Dwihno make yourself useful and write a Hangman text game for the Player :-) |
16:12:15 | dwihno | tracktheripper: I can make myself useful and clean my apartment |
16:12:25 | tracktheripper | lol |
16:12:30 | dwihno | But that's too damn boring! I rather play stupid games and watch stupid TV shows :) |
16:12:32 | Temfate | well i'll try to be on later. have to go to work; and their firewall is mean to irc... |
16:12:59 | Zagor | Temfate: run irc over ssh over https. that's what I do. :-) |
16:13:12 | tracktheripper | yay!!! |
16:13:19 | tracktheripper | Zagor is smiling for a change! |
16:13:19 | tracktheripper | :-) |
16:13:25 | Temfate | how? |
16:13:31 | * | Temfate |
16:13:58 | Temfate | what client program does that zagor? |
16:14:00 | Zagor | Temfate: ssh to an outside machine via the company's https proxy/firewall. then you set up 'muh' as an irc proxy on that machine. |
16:14:17 | Temfate | i see. got it! |
16:14:42 | Zagor | then use normal ssh port forwarding to run a local irc client, connected to the irc proxy on the outside. |
16:15:39 | Temfate | bbl |
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16:16:13 | dwihno | Zagor: you rule so bad :D |
16:16:29 | tracktheripper | Dwihno at least Zagor isnt moody like Adimas |
16:16:36 | tracktheripper | Adimas is well moody these days :( |
16:21:59 | tracktheripper | whats a lingonvecka? |
16:22:01 | tracktheripper | lol |
16:24:48 | tracktheripper | its your fault Dwihno |
16:24:49 | tracktheripper | :P |
16:30:19 | tracktheripper | :) |
16:32:15 | | Nick quel|lunch is now known as quelsaruk (swordmaste@faerun.ugr.es) |
16:32:24 | quelsaruk | i'm back |
16:32:31 | quelsaruk | ;) |
16:33:12 | tracktheripper | yay! |
16:35:07 | quelsaruk | an off-topic reflexion: did you know that 16 million iraquies (from a total of 24 millions) lived just thanks to international aid? (sorry if i bother you with this) |
16:35:55 | Nomad__ | did you see the report on Saddam's palace? |
16:36:28 | quelsaruk | i was watching all those iraquies destroying a statue |
16:36:33 | Nomad__ | people were sickened that half the population were only alive because of Humanitarian AID versus the condition of HIS palaceS |
16:36:39 | Nomad__ | note the capital S on the end there |
16:36:40 | Nomad__ | yeah |
16:36:45 | tracktheripper | Quelsaruk you gonna help rebuild Iraq |
16:37:17 | quelsaruk | I suppose Spain is going to collaborate. |
16:37:40 | langhaarrocker | Is there already some Bush <-> Saddam video game out? |
16:37:57 | quelsaruk | dunno langhaarrocker, but i think so |
16:38:53 | tracktheripper | quelsaruk the US are gonna win |
16:39:05 | quelsaruk | they have won... |
16:39:12 | tracktheripper | :-) |
16:39:15 | quelsaruk | the war has ended already |
16:39:26 | tracktheripper | is Sadamm dead now. |
16:39:54 | quelsaruk | dunno |
16:40:19 | tracktheripper | lol |
16:40:27 | quelsaruk | ok, it's not really ended, but, maybe 2 days more.. 3 |
16:40:42 | langhaarrocker | So now we can have the successor of "Anno 1603" which is "Iraq 2003"? |
16:41:19 | quelsaruk | año 1603? what happened that year? |
16:41:34 | langhaarrocker | Its a computer game |
16:41:38 | quelsaruk | aahhhh |
16:41:40 | quelsaruk | :) |
16:41:46 | langhaarrocker | something like simcity |
16:41:47 | quelsaruk | never heard about it |
16:42:50 | tracktheripper | Zzzzzzzzzz |
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16:58:02 | quelsaruk | Zagor: one quick question |
16:58:13 | Nomad__ | times up |
16:58:24 | Zagor | haha |
16:58:29 | quelsaruk | the 12/24 hour clock setting is going to be moved to "display options"? |
16:58:38 | quelsaruk | to change it on the manual |
16:58:40 | quelsaruk | :) |
16:58:51 | Zagor | nah, i don't know. I was just not sure it would be right to move it to the time setting screen. |
16:59:14 | Zagor | by the way, I couldn't find the graphic/numeric toggle options for battery and volume in the manual |
16:59:24 | quelsaruk | i forgot it? |
16:59:26 | quelsaruk | ;) |
16:59:50 | quelsaruk | i've missed some options, but trying to repair that :) |
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17:02:54 | quelsaruk | i also forgot anti-skip bufer and fade on stop/pause |
17:03:07 | Zagor | right |
17:03:17 | quelsaruk | you skiped those! |
17:03:36 | langhaarrocker | He probably spared them for niggling later |
17:03:44 | quelsaruk | You're not the same guy as before... you'r now too old for this project ;) |
17:04:11 | * | langhaarrocker retires |
17:08:30 | Nomad__ | j/read |
17:08:36 | Nomad__ | blech |
17:09:09 | quelsaruk | i've never used anti-skip buffer. I suppose it's how many seconds of buffer you want to reserve for *what*? |
17:09:11 | * | langhaarrocker thinks Nomad speaks in riddles |
17:09:19 | Nomad__ | no, just having a monday today |
17:09:24 | langhaarrocker | ugh |
17:09:44 | quelsaruk | mondays are ugly |
17:10:06 | Nomad__ | yeah and I'm having one, maybe two, today |
17:11:19 | langhaarrocker | cool. A spare monday. |
17:13:26 | Nomad__ | yeah, but I want spare Sat's |
17:13:37 | Nomad__ | it sucks my kids is off for spring break... I want a spring break |
17:14:14 | quelsaruk | Zagor: just to bother you again... could you define me anti-skip buffer? not really sure of for which purpose was it developed by the incredibly wise mind that had the idea ;) |
17:14:42 | quelsaruk | i have that "spring break" next week :) I love Holy Week |
17:15:02 | Nomad__ | wait... docs? You're kidding :> |
17:15:09 | Zagor | quelsaruk: the anti-skip is really "extra antiskip". it lets you set a timer for how many seconds earlier than normally necessary the disk should spin up and start reading data |
17:15:15 | Nomad__ | god, with that I don't know what I'd do |
17:15:34 | Zagor | you don't need it unless you shake and bump the unit a lot |
17:15:48 | Nomad__ | so I need about a 2minute anti-skip on my motorcycle |
17:15:54 | Zagor | hehe |
17:16:18 | quelsaruk | thx Zagor :) |
17:17:25 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: is anti skip as simple as a different calculation algo that raises the low water mark? |
17:17:42 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: exactly. |
17:18:52 | * | langhaarrocker is slightly disappointed |
17:19:33 | quelsaruk | hehe |
17:19:49 | quelsaruk | langhaarrocker: sorry you find out rockbox is simple ;) |
17:20:19 | quelsaruk | Zagor: another error. Scroll settings have changed a lot and differs from what i have written. |
17:21:12 | langhaarrocker | Should rockbox or the docu be corrected? |
17:21:49 | Zagor | "do we change the map or the terrain?" :-) |
17:22:23 | langhaarrocker | Well, I could use some mountains here... |
17:23:17 | Nomad__ | hmmm, Mountains... I miss em |
17:31:14 | langhaarrocker | btw: where do I find that sleep code? |
17:31:39 | Zagor | which? |
17:31:59 | langhaarrocker | that one that puts the cpu in low-power-consuption mode |
17:32:35 | Zagor | thread.c:110 |
17:32:40 | langhaarrocker | thx |
17:32:41 | quelsaruk | zagor, in spanish we use to say this " Si Mahoma no va a la montaña... que la montaña vaya a Mahoma", that can be translated something like "If Mahoma can't got to the mountain, then the mountain should go to Mahoma" |
17:32:51 | Zagor | yeah |
17:36:55 | quelsaruk | batt display and volume display are also for players, or only for recorders? |
17:38:40 | Zagor | only recorders |
17:39:20 | quelsaruk | :) |
17:52:07 | Zagor | gotta go |
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18:12:04 | Guest | Good day |
18:12:12 | TBoy | hoi |
18:12:15 | quelsaruk | hi Guest :) |
18:12:50 | Guest | Gentlemen, I just found the Rockbox firmware and I would like to tip my hat to the open source community |
18:13:12 | Bagder | welcome to our cosy corner of the big bad world ;-) |
18:13:45 | Guest | I have read the FAQ and Manual on the firmware, but I need to know just wo things. |
18:13:59 | Bagder | ask away |
18:14:14 | Guest | How does one create playlists on the Rockbox |
18:14:45 | Bagder | that only works in somewhat recent daily builds |
18:14:53 | Bagder | what model do you have? |
18:15:12 | Guest | Rockbox v.1.4, right off the website |
18:15:25 | Bagder | 1.4 can't create playlists |
18:15:51 | Guest | So, do I need to download the latest build? Is it stable? |
18:16:07 | Bagder | according to me, yes |
18:16:15 | Guest | Ok, great |
18:16:35 | Guest | Also, when you use ROLO to get to another firmware program, how do you get back? |
18:16:54 | Guest | I would use ROLO to get to the factory shipped firmware |
18:16:56 | Bagder | if you rolo to the archos firmware, you can only restart your unit to get back |
18:17:10 | Guest | Ah-hah |
18:19:50 | quelsaruk | by the way Bagder, invert mode is just possible to change from F3 QSM ? |
18:20:08 | Bagder | I don't know |
18:21:01 | quelsaruk | yups |
18:21:10 | quelsaruk | isn't that a "bug" ? |
18:21:37 | Bagder | I would say so |
18:22:05 | quelsaruk | i mean, all settings should be changed from main menu, and also, some settings, ment to be used a lot of times, can be also found on the F2 and F3 menus |
18:22:27 | Bagder | I agree |
18:22:49 | Schnueff | it should be in the display menu |
18:23:00 | Schnueff | it was when i first send in the patch |
18:23:23 | Schnueff | (invert, that is) |
18:23:32 | quelsaruk | Schnueff: i have just checked to see if i forgot |
18:23:34 | quelsaruk | upss |
18:23:37 | quelsaruk | and it is |
18:23:38 | quelsaruk | sorry |
18:23:40 | Schnueff | gotcha |
18:23:41 | Schnueff | :) |
18:23:43 | quelsaruk | ;) |
18:24:01 | Schnueff | i wonder who needs invert in the quickmenu, though:) |
18:24:03 | quelsaruk | i was going to send a patch to repair a real bug :( |
18:24:04 | Bagder | hehe |
18:24:27 | Bagder | you need to remember to open your eyes when looking at the screen! ;-) |
18:24:55 | Schnueff | i bet invert settings got a bad spanish translation, so he didnt recognize :) |
18:25:05 | quelsaruk | hehehe |
18:25:24 | quelsaruk | i'm tired, i've been writing the manual all day |
18:25:31 | Schnueff | carry on! |
18:25:39 | quelsaruk | that's a manowar song! |
18:25:41 | * | Bagder hands over some moral support to quelsaruk |
18:25:47 | Guest | Badger, thank you very much sitr |
18:25:53 | Schnueff | yeah, manowar wants you to finish this manual |
18:25:59 | Schnueff | ;) |
18:26:07 | Bagder | Guest: you're welcome! |
18:30:36 | quelsaruk | http://usuarios.lycos.es/delecami/Rockbox-manual.pdf <−− version 0.4 (i have to make WPS, customizing UI and ROLO) all errata corrected. |
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18:33:30 | Bagder | hey, my faked ABBA - Dancing queen shot on the player isn't heavy metal ;-) |
18:33:37 | Schnueff | hehe it thought that too |
18:33:41 | Schnueff | s/it/I/ |
18:33:55 | Schnueff | oscillograph screenshot missing yet |
18:34:30 | Bagder | minor nit: in secton 5.1 the casing of VBRfix is not like in the actual menu |
18:34:30 | Schnueff | the original firmware loads playlist at 15songs/sec? wow |
18:34:37 | Bagder | yeps |
18:34:39 | Bagder | I've measured |
18:34:43 | Bagder | was painful |
18:35:20 | Schnueff | unbelievable |
18:35:28 | Schnueff | glad i never checked it :) |
18:35:31 | Bagder | it sure is |
18:36:22 | Bagder | thought it may make it perform "next-song" slightly faster than rockbox |
18:37:46 | Schnueff | loadable config files section is also missing, right? |
18:37:51 | quelsaruk | Bagder: i will make a heavy metal snapshot for the player this night!! ;) |
18:37:57 | Bagder | haha |
18:38:26 | Bagder | Schnueff: that's 9.4 isn't it? |
18:38:37 | Schnueff | w8 |
18:38:44 | quelsaruk | yups. that's 9.4 |
18:38:47 | Schnueff | ah |
18:38:52 | Schnueff | k |
18:38:58 | quelsaruk | not yet finished, i told you |
18:39:01 | Schnueff | nm |
18:40:11 | quelsaruk | Bagder: any other errata? |
18:40:22 | Bagder | nope |
18:40:25 | quelsaruk | as you can see, now peak meter is well documented |
18:40:27 | quelsaruk | :) |
18:40:39 | quelsaruk | really well documented |
18:40:48 | Schnueff | (xphobie link is clickable, other links arent) |
18:41:04 | quelsaruk | i must change that link then :) |
18:41:17 | Schnueff | at least xphobie link is blue |
18:41:24 | quelsaruk | that's true |
18:41:30 | quelsaruk | i copied it from the website |
18:41:40 | quelsaruk | so it's a true link |
18:42:10 | quelsaruk | (i owe langhaarrocker a pair of beers) |
18:42:12 | Bagder | the last line in 6.8 |
18:42:14 | Schnueff | hm it seems to be blue only |
18:42:23 | Bagder | should be "that would be bad manners" |
18:42:43 | Schnueff | or maybe xpdf / acroread is configured wrong on my side |
18:42:50 | Bagder | its blue here too |
18:43:29 | quelsaruk | Bagder: langhaar wrote that. I'm no-one to change his hints ;) |
18:43:58 | Bagder | well, its still a mistake, his or yours doesn't matter ;-) |
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18:44:42 | Schnueff | maybe 'configurable' instead of 'programmable' at the end of 6.7 |
18:45:26 | Bagder | yes |
18:45:57 | quelsaruk | ok.. |
18:46:03 | quelsaruk | all those errata corrected |
18:46:06 | quelsaruk | anything else? |
18:46:08 | quelsaruk | ;) |
18:46:16 | Schnueff | 6.3.4 -> disk spindown |
18:46:24 | Schnueff | "affects only to" -> affects only the |
18:46:27 | Schnueff | ? |
18:46:53 | Bagder | or |
18:46:58 | Schnueff | disk poweroff: weather -> whether |
18:47:00 | Bagder | "is only affected by user..." |
18:47:38 | quelsaruk | :) |
18:47:53 | quelsaruk | bagder correction written (he's the boss) |
18:48:05 | Schnueff | which of the settings need a reboot? |
18:48:11 | quelsaruk | reboot? |
18:48:12 | Schnueff | out of interest, in reset settings |
18:48:38 | quelsaruk | i don't understand you Schnueff... |
18:48:42 | Bagder | I can't think of anyone |
18:48:47 | quelsaruk | my brain is fried already |
18:48:56 | Schnueff | quelsaruk: 6.3.4 -> "Reset settings" |
18:49:06 | Schnueff | it a says if you use reset settings you may need to reboot |
18:49:14 | Schnueff | this sounds like its a microsoft product |
18:49:17 | quelsaruk | ahh |
18:49:19 | quelsaruk | dunno |
18:49:28 | Schnueff | so if 18:48 < Bagder> I can't think of anyone |
18:49:30 | Schnueff | maybe delete it |
18:49:31 | quelsaruk | should i delete that? |
18:49:34 | Bagder | yeah |
18:49:47 | quelsaruk | ok |
18:49:49 | quelsaruk | deleted |
18:50:15 | Schnueff | in 6.3.5 don't forget later to give a reference to the .cfg section |
18:50:25 | Schnueff | This is explained in section 9.4. or smth |
18:52:09 | quelsaruk | see section 9.4 for more information |
18:52:11 | quelsaruk | ;) |
18:52:39 | quelsaruk | or for further information ?? |
18:52:40 | Schnueff | yeah:) |
18:52:54 | Schnueff | hm more / further - dunno |
18:53:03 | quelsaruk | i think further :) |
18:53:09 | Schnueff | good |
18:53:10 | quelsaruk | i have't used that word yet... |
18:53:14 | Bagder | haha |
18:53:26 | quelsaruk | i have to show the world i know a bit of english |
18:53:28 | quelsaruk | :) |
18:55:08 | Nomad__ | weee, jukebox en route to Archos |
18:55:19 | Bagder | broken? |
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18:55:55 | quelsaruk | did you include a bit of Antrax inside it? |
18:55:59 | quelsaruk | ;) |
18:56:14 | tracktheripper | lo |
18:56:57 | Nomad__ | nah, they've been very good about RMA's for me |
18:58:09 | quelsaruk | Bagder: could you do a nice oscillograph snapshot for me? or is it imposible ? |
18:59:09 | Bagder | it doesn't work in the sim |
18:59:39 | quelsaruk | so we have no oscillograph snapshot |
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19:00:16 | quelsaruk | :( |
19:00:22 | quelsaruk | so i must delete the image |
19:00:48 | tracktheripper | is an ossillocope possible? |
19:01:09 | Schnueff | ozzy-loscope? |
19:01:27 | Schnueff | ;] |
19:01:37 | tracktheripper | thats wot I sayd |
19:01:40 | tracktheripper | ocilloscope |
19:02:27 | Bagder | wanna see the toplist of request item submitters? |
19:02:35 | Schnueff | yeah |
19:02:42 | Bagder | 1183 items right now |
19:02:48 | Bagder | 760 nobody |
19:02:51 | Bagder | 53 tracktheripper |
19:02:58 | Bagder | 21 paulheu |
19:02:59 | Bagder | 12 thebreaker |
19:02:59 | Bagder | 12 huwsy |
19:02:59 | Bagder | 11 remo_hofer |
19:03:01 | tracktheripper | ??? |
19:03:06 | Schnueff | who's that nobody |
19:03:35 | Bagder | and I bet 80% of track's requests are all closed and rejected due to hardware restrictions |
19:03:46 | quelsaruk | i think is tracktheripper secret alias ;) |
19:03:57 | tracktheripper | why pick on me now?!?!? |
19:04:07 | tracktheripper | actually Badger some of my requests are Fixed :-P |
19:04:09 | Bagder | you're so funny |
19:04:20 | tracktheripper | Bagder why u picking on me for? :-) |
19:04:22 | tracktheripper | :-( |
19:04:37 | Schnueff | what shoud osci do on rockbox? |
19:04:40 | Schnueff | 1. oscilloscope, scope, cathode-ray oscilloscope, CRO −− (electronic equipment that provides visual images of varying electrical quantities) |
19:06:24 | quelsaruk | aparato que sirve para medir oscilaciones |
19:06:27 | quelsaruk | ;) |
19:06:38 | Schnueff | bueno |
19:06:39 | Schnueff | :) |
19:06:42 | quelsaruk | do you like that definition? |
19:06:52 | Schnueff | sort of self-referential :) |
19:07:35 | quelsaruk | that's what the RAE (Spanish language academy) says about oscillograph :) |
19:15:29 | TBoy | hey maybe we could change the invert in quickmenu to turn backlight on or off |
19:15:41 | TBoy | or do you guys use the invert item |
19:16:00 | tracktheripper | I use Invert Tboy |
19:16:04 | Bagder | I would like to get rid of the quickscreens in post-2.0 |
19:16:06 | quelsaruk | i don't use neither one or the other :) |
19:16:28 | quelsaruk | Bagder: hey! i'm documentating the quick menu screens!!! you can't do that ;) |
19:16:30 | TBoy | ok good argument |
19:16:40 | tracktheripper | Badger I think only 3 of my requests are daft, the others are perfectly resonable |
19:16:40 | quelsaruk | also, i use F2 |
19:16:44 | Bagder | quelsaruk: they'll still be there in 2.0 ;-) |
19:16:47 | quelsaruk | not F3... but i really use F2 |
19:17:16 | Bagder | for what? |
19:17:25 | TBoy | guys should I try taking my fm apart and fix the button myself |
19:17:39 | tracktheripper | okay so if you did remove the F2 and F3 menus what would supersede them? |
19:17:41 | TBoy | cause the guys from the store I got it from hasn't answered |
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19:18:13 | Bagder | tracktheripper: I'm not sure yet, but I'm thinking the ON+PLAY thing could be moved to plain f3 instead |
19:18:25 | Bagder | to reduce combos |
19:18:33 | tracktheripper | oh okay# |
19:18:48 | Bagder | then I'm thinking leaving ON+[any] to be programmable |
19:18:57 | Bagder | like shortcuts |
19:18:57 | tracktheripper | Bagder is a multi-screen WPS feasable? |
19:19:08 | Bagder | not today, but it could be |
19:19:28 | Bagder | there's some feature request for that already, I'm sure |
19:19:31 | TBoy | ok, sorry off topic but do you guys know of a page where it shows how to take the face of the FM |
19:19:34 | tracktheripper | :-) |
19:19:47 | tracktheripper | and what about an Ocilloscope like the one in Windows Media Player? |
19:19:50 | Bagder | TBoy: I know of only one man who've done that: linus |
19:20:01 | Bagder | tracktheripper: read the TODO docs |
19:20:03 | Bagder | NODO |
19:20:05 | TBoy | darn he's not here |
19:20:21 | TBoy | hmm |
19:20:25 | tracktheripper | there is an occiloscope, its one of the Demos |
19:20:26 | Bagder | TBoy: he mentioned it was a bit tricky to get the thing back together again ;-) |
19:20:32 | tracktheripper | i mean that sort of occiloscope |
19:20:53 | TBoy | yea I just need to take it apart because my f2 button broke |
19:21:06 | TBoy | its tilted back in the way to the display |
19:22:21 | quelsaruk | (I'm on 9.1 Loading fonts... i can see the light on the other side) |
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19:23:50 | TBoy | how do you remove the face of an normal recorder |
19:24:02 | TBoy | on your page you start with the face of |
19:24:32 | quelsaruk | it's easy |
19:24:43 | quelsaruk | can you see those 4 tini screws? |
19:24:46 | quelsaruk | tiny |
19:24:57 | quelsaruk | near the usb conector |
19:25:17 | TBoy | nope I don't see them cause I have an FM but maybe it will still help me |
19:25:18 | TBoy | ok |
19:25:22 | quelsaruk | aahh |
19:25:24 | quelsaruk | :) |
19:25:25 | quelsaruk | sorry |
19:25:26 | quelsaruk | a fm |
19:25:28 | quelsaruk | :) |
19:25:43 | quelsaruk | i thought you had a normal jukebox |
19:25:44 | quelsaruk | :) |
19:25:58 | TBoy | yea I wanted to hear how its done on a normal one |
19:26:22 | quelsaruk | on a normal one you just have to remove 4 tiny screws |
19:26:23 | tracktheripper | quelsaruk I wouldn't mind if u showed me how to write code and compile it into an ajbrec file |
19:27:33 | quelsaruk | tracktheripper: do you know C ? |
19:27:41 | tracktheripper | no, only BASIC |
19:28:33 | TBoy | I was good at basic |
19:28:39 | tracktheripper | lol |
19:28:46 | TBoy | I coded a battleship game |
19:28:55 | TBoy | including the a.i. |
19:28:59 | TBoy | and that was hard |
19:29:14 | tracktheripper | Bagder im not gonna send any more requests :-) |
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19:34:23 | tracktheripper | :) |
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19:45:24 | * | adam returns |
19:45:45 | adam | AV140, PLEASE, COME! |
19:45:56 | * | adam cries out to the archos gods |
19:46:03 | Bagder | you can't run rockbox on it anyway |
19:46:13 | Bagder | boring |
19:46:15 | Bagder | :-) |
19:46:34 | adam | heh, until 'rockbox' supports divx, I'll be bored ;p |
19:47:09 | Bagder | well, the movie playing ability on the mm stinks anyway |
19:47:38 | adam | yeah, that's why I want the new one |
19:47:47 | adam | it uses a more powerful processor :P |
19:47:51 | Bagder | that supposed to be better? |
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19:48:05 | adam | yeah |
19:48:11 | Bagder | the current one supports a rather limited set of codecs/formats |
19:48:12 | quelsaruk | Bagder: one question |
19:48:25 | Bagder | shoot |
19:48:38 | quelsaruk | english.lang is only on cvs or is it also on daily build packages.. ? |
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19:49:06 | quelsaruk | (i'm including what to do if you want to collaborate with another language) |
19:49:14 | jankey | well, ideally, I'd be able to play most of my current divx stuff on the player, fullscreen on TV |
19:49:28 | jankey | the newer one can handle much higher resolutions than the older multimedia |
19:49:36 | * | jankey had to circumvent ssh lag :p |
19:49:37 | Bagder | ok |
19:50:04 | Bagder | quelsaruk: it's in the daily tarball, but I guess not very many gets that |
19:50:10 | quelsaruk | don't worry |
19:50:17 | quelsaruk | i remembered that it's on the website |
19:50:23 | Bagder | yeps |
19:50:41 | quelsaruk | on http://rockbox.haxx.se/lang/ |
19:50:42 | quelsaruk | :) |
19:50:50 | jankey | hmm |
19:50:53 | quelsaruk | i'm slow, but find nearly everything |
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19:51:47 | RedLeg | Greetings.... |
19:51:51 | TBoy | hoi |
19:51:55 | Bagder | hola |
19:52:01 | jankey | yhmm |
19:52:15 | RedLeg | SO, who want's a go at my continuing HD problem? |
19:52:22 | jankey | what kind of player? |
19:52:45 | RedLeg | Recorder20, upgraded to 60 with a toshiba HD |
19:52:56 | jankey | what problem? |
19:53:36 | RedLeg | It just quit..... it was working fine, I turned it off nad back on a few minutes later, and the display reads HD register error. |
19:54:00 | jankey | is everything on the inside insulated? |
19:54:09 | jankey | I guess, are any of the PCBs contacting the HD? |
19:54:19 | Bagder | are the batteries fine? |
19:54:25 | RedLeg | I think so, what do you think might be getting shorted? |
19:54:29 | quelsaruk | redleg, sometimes, dunno why, archos do something weird with those hds... |
19:54:37 | quelsaruk | please read the mail list |
19:54:48 | quelsaruk | you can find there the problem and the solution |
19:55:09 | quelsaruk | (yesterday someone came with the same problem) |
19:55:21 | Bagder | ah, could it be the locked hard disk problem? |
19:55:25 | quelsaruk | nops.. |
19:55:30 | quelsaruk | argghhh |
19:55:35 | quelsaruk | i have so bad memory |
19:55:36 | quelsaruk | :( |
19:56:06 | quelsaruk | it was also a toshiba hd |
19:56:09 | Bagder | RedLeg: can you rip it out and put it in a computer and see if it works? |
19:56:22 | Bagder | (with a 2.5" <-> 3.5" converter) |
19:56:29 | RedLeg | I have read the mailing list, and tried the CSEL short trick, which did not help/ |
19:56:32 | quelsaruk | Bagder: i bet you it will work ;) |
19:56:37 | quelsaruk | ouch |
19:56:41 | quelsaruk | no.. now i dont bet |
19:56:43 | quelsaruk | :) |
19:56:49 | Bagder | quelsaruk: not even a single goat? |
19:56:56 | quelsaruk | i thought it was that csel problem |
19:56:57 | RedLeg | Batteries are fully charged, all three sets, an the drive works fine on a computer |
19:57:09 | Bagder | ah |
19:57:13 | * | jankey doesn't see how the new AV140 will have any battery life at all :P |
19:57:18 | jankey | more parts, more clockspeed |
19:57:58 | Bagder | RedLeg: I'd suggest you post to the mailing with all the details to see if anyone has any clues to offer |
19:58:07 | Bagder | there usually is |
19:58:36 | RedLeg | jankey: I don' think it's shorting the way you suggest. There's an insulator sheet beterrn the HD PCB and the rest of the archos chassis. |
19:58:51 | Bagder | RedLeg: does it work if you put back the old hd? |
19:58:59 | jankey | it's also a very thin sheet :p |
19:59:23 | * | jankey was thinking more like electrical tape on the back of the player PCBs |
19:59:37 | RedLeg | Bagder: It works with other drives, the original has gone. It does NOT work with another tosh HD I have |
20:00 |
20:00:15 | RedLeg | The 60g doesn't even spin up in the archos anymore. |
20:00:17 | TBoy | guys off topic |
20:00:42 | Bagder | truely a weird case |
20:00:51 | TBoy | how about if one could see what kbp the different record quality |
20:01:07 | TBoy | was/is |
20:01:31 | RedLeg | Does anybody else have a 60 (working) in a recorder 20? If so, what brand drive? |
20:01:34 | Bagder | TBoy: those quality settings are what we set in the MAS |
20:02:00 | TBoy | yea but i mean it could say 1 - 60 kbp |
20:02:03 | Bagder | RedLeg: I've read about people on the list using or at least intending to use 60GB |
20:02:11 | TBoy | 2 - xx kbp |
20:02:15 | TBoy | or couldn't it |
20:02:26 | Bagder | TBoy: if you provide the numbers, I'm sure we'll consider it |
20:02:51 | TBoy | hehe thats why I would like that cause I don't have the numbers |
20:02:52 | TBoy | hehe |
20:02:58 | Bagder | no one has |
20:03:04 | TBoy | ok I get it |
20:03:06 | Bagder | you'd need to try and see |
20:03:16 | TBoy | thats why its called vbr |
20:03:29 | RedLeg | Bagder: I'm thinking of replacing hte drive, but I want to make SURE the new one is compatible. |
20:04:14 | Bagder | RedLeg: I understand, I just don't have any help to provide here. I'm still using my original 20GB |
20:04:44 | RedLeg | Bagder: I appreciate it.... my 60 was full.... |
20:04:51 | Bagder | :-) |
20:05:05 | Bagder | there are 80GB ones available now, isn't it? ;-) |
20:05:19 | RedLeg | Ya... but pricy.... |
20:06:21 | RedLeg | OK, thanks all for the help, back to work..... |
20:06:43 | * | RedLeg shakes his head, grumbles about tosh HDs |
20:06:55 | | Quit RedLeg ("Client Exiting") |
20:07:14 | quelsaruk | i'm on 9.4!!!! |
20:07:28 | * | Bagder cheers |
20:07:30 | * | quelsaruk is nearly crying of joy |
20:07:44 | quelsaruk | btw Bagder, before you go |
20:08:14 | quelsaruk | we should use gnu free documentation licence for the manual? |
20:08:22 | quelsaruk | should we use... |
20:08:23 | quelsaruk | ;) |
20:08:26 | Bagder | sure, why not |
20:09:52 | quelsaruk | then, i have to write Copyright 2003 "YOUR NAME". Permission is granted to copy, distribute.... |
20:09:54 | quelsaruk | which name? |
20:09:59 | quelsaruk | rockbox development team? |
20:10:01 | quelsaruk | mine? |
20:10:07 | Bagder | use your |
20:10:12 | quelsaruk | ohhhh |
20:10:23 | quelsaruk | now i'm really gonna cry |
20:10:25 | quelsaruk | :P |
20:10:42 | * | Bagder pads quelsaruk on his sholder, you're one of us now ;-) |
20:11:01 | TBoy | wow quel you've made it out of the ghetto |
20:11:10 | Bagder | hahaha |
20:11:16 | TBoy | your a true ghetto superstar |
20:11:27 | quelsaruk | hehehe |
20:12:24 | TBoy | hmm will quel now get into the credit list on rb |
20:13:19 | Bagder | yes! |
20:13:22 | * | quelsaruk looks to Bagder |
20:13:25 | quelsaruk | THANKS |
20:13:26 | quelsaruk | :) |
20:13:28 | Bagder | quelsaruk for president! |
20:13:35 | quelsaruk | iraqui president? |
20:13:41 | quelsaruk | really? |
20:13:44 | quelsaruk | :) |
20:14:08 | TBoy | wow man quel you've inspired me to keep on tryin |
20:15:17 | quelsaruk | TBoy: it's a hard work.. you have to bother zagor and Bagder everyday |
20:15:30 | quelsaruk | you're really on the bleeding edge |
20:15:37 | quelsaruk | or they kick you out of here |
20:15:53 | quelsaruk | or they include you on the credits |
20:15:55 | quelsaruk | :) |
20:15:57 | * | Bagder tries to look mean to live up to quelsaruk's talk |
20:17:56 | TBoy | just wait because I'll see you when I get there, tralalalalaa, if I ever get there, if I ever get there lalala |
20:18:56 | Bagder | its good irc is without sound ;-) |
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20:19:39 | quelsaruk | we could implement irc on rockbox so we can hear TBoy singing ;) |
20:19:52 | TBoy | well I have to think of something to achieve |
20:19:59 | TBoy | hehe |
20:22:59 | * | adam returns |
20:24:18 | adam | gah. I wish I was an engineer for Archos or something :P |
20:24:19 | quelsaruk | hey! |
20:24:23 | Bagder | now how did I live without M-x calc before? |
20:24:26 | quelsaruk | i forgot somethinr really important |
20:24:44 | adam | Bagder - you used a slide rule? |
20:24:59 | Bagder | :-) |
20:25:21 | * | adam notes he wishes he had this crappy little Mac G3 he's using now |
20:25:26 | quelsaruk | i have to explain that archos loads the first "archos.ajz" file found... that is, can only read the first 10 characters. |
20:25:29 | adam | just for, uh, playing a game I played when I was younger |
20:25:44 | quelsaruk | Bagder: you forgot that on your critic ;) |
20:25:49 | Bagder | I did |
20:25:53 | Bagder | oooh bad me |
20:26:00 | * | Bagder goes stand in the corner |
20:27:29 | quelsaruk | i should start that saying that Archos jukebox loads firstly the firmware on ROM, and that firmware checks for a ajbrec.ajz (archos.mod) file on the root folder |
20:27:35 | quelsaruk | no? |
20:27:48 | Bagder | yes |
20:28:04 | Bagder | since many people don't have that file on disk when shipped from archos |
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20:30:36 | quelsaruk | When your jukebox powers on, it loads archos firmware on ROM, which automatically checks your hard disk root folder for a archos.mod (on the player version) or ajbrec.ajz (on the recorder version). Note that archos firmware can only read the 10 first characters of each file in this process |
20:31:17 | Bagder | "your hard disk's root..." ... "of each file name in..." |
20:31:35 | quelsaruk | ein?? |
20:31:46 | Bagder | disk's |
20:31:53 | Bagder | not disk |
20:31:59 | quelsaruk | ok |
20:32:01 | quelsaruk | :) |
20:32:01 | Bagder | and "file name" no "file" |
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20:33:07 | quelsaruk | so don't rename your firmware files like archos.mod.old and so on, because it's possible that archos loads that file and not the new one. |
20:37:26 | quelsaruk | (i've deleted the Bugs report section) |
20:37:42 | quelsaruk | adding the credits secciton |
20:37:43 | quelsaruk | :) |
20:37:47 | quelsaruk | and after that the licence |
20:38:18 | quelsaruk | and i will have finished this manual.... (until i make WRS snapshots, and you find new errata) |
20:38:56 | Bagder | cool |
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20:58:17 | xxxxx | word |
20:58:46 | Bagder | sentense |
20:58:50 | xxxxx | ha ah aha |
20:59:00 | xxxxx | yes, my school should have blocked whatever port it is that runs IRC |
20:59:16 | Bagder | 6667 normally |
20:59:33 | xxxxx | It sure is nice being more technically informed than the people who admin my stupid highschool's network is fun |
20:59:44 | xxxxx | our walls are made of magnet. and then wonder why they can't keep computer working well. |
20:59:55 | xxxxx | All our money goes to lebron. |
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21:00:01 | xxxxx | ah, school over with. |
21:00:05 | xxxxx | bye. |
21:00:05 | Bagder | evening LinusN |
21:00:07 | LinusN | hi |
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21:00:32 | LinusN | zagors last change in wps.c isn't all that good |
21:00:50 | * | Bagder hasn't tried it |
21:01:19 | LinusN | it stops the music when pressing NEXT on the last track with repeat=off |
21:01:44 | LinusN | i think it should continue playing like it used to |
21:01:47 | Bagder | oh |
21:02:05 | LinusN | but that is a hard nut to crack |
21:02:08 | Bagder | playing what? |
21:02:34 | Bagder | you mean ignoring the next key? |
21:02:34 | LinusN | it should ignore the NEXt key and keep playing the last track imho |
21:02:51 | LinusN | but i can live with this feature too |
21:02:57 | quelsaruk | hi linus :) |
21:03:10 | LinusN | he should have changed it in mpeg.c instead, though |
21:03:15 | LinusN | hi quelsaruk |
21:03:21 | quelsaruk | LinusN: i forgot today your song, are you coming tomorrow? |
21:03:35 | LinusN | i think so yes |
21:04:20 | quelsaruk | then i'll try to remember :) |
21:04:49 | quelsaruk | i have to paste licence and rockbox will have a manual :) |
21:05:15 | DJBaz | any news on the 'alarm clock' feature eg ya can set a specific time for the jukebox to play a specific song/playlist etc? |
21:05:22 | Bagder | expect more input when the list people get their hands on it ;-) |
21:05:39 | Bagder | DJBaz: post-2.0 |
21:05:55 | DJBaz | ? |
21:06:00 | Bagder | and I don't think anyone is working on such a feature |
21:06:11 | DJBaz | o rite |
21:06:15 | Bagder | post => after |
21:06:15 | DJBaz | k |
21:06:39 | DJBaz | i know what post means but didnt know what u ment in the context u said it in |
21:06:41 | DJBaz | :O |
21:06:49 | Bagder | ok ;-) |
21:07:13 | LinusN | gotta go, cu later |
21:07:17 | | Part LinusN |
21:07:20 | * | DJBaz brb gonna reconnect |
21:07:32 | | Quit DJBaz ("reconnect") |
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21:12:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Help |
21:12:51 | Help | could somebody pls help me? |
21:13:05 | Bagder | ask away |
21:13:29 | Help | this is the first day im using the jukebox revorder... |
21:15:06 | Bagder | yes? |
21:15:37 | Help | I cant find this damn record option in the menu.... |
21:15:41 | Help | :| |
21:15:49 | Bagder | using what firmware? |
21:15:55 | Help | rockbox 1.4 |
21:16:05 | Bagder | ah, it doesn't support recording! ;-) |
21:16:11 | Help | :/ |
21:16:13 | Bagder | it's been added later |
21:16:25 | Bagder | you need to download a daily build to get a rockbox with recording |
21:16:33 | Help | aha |
21:16:45 | Help | can u give me the url? |
21:16:59 | Bagder | click on the daily build link on the rockbox site |
21:17:05 | Bagder | I gotta leave now |
21:17:05 | Help | k |
21:17:11 | Help | k thx |
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21:24:49 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
21:24:49 | * | quelsaruk jumps of happiness :) |
21:24:55 | quelsaruk | I'VE FINISHED!! |
21:25:56 | DJBaz | finished wat? |
21:25:56 | | Join Help [0] (jirc@pD9E1FE1D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
21:26:48 | quelsaruk | rockbox manual |
21:26:50 | quelsaruk | :) |
21:26:55 | DJBaz | o rite lol |
21:27:00 | DJBaz | nice one :p |
21:27:07 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Help |
21:27:07 | Help | Could somebody pls give me a link to the daily build which supports the record function??? |
21:27:13 | Help | pllllllssssssss |
21:27:21 | DJBaz | Help: 1 sec |
21:27:29 | Help | k |
21:27:56 | quelsaruk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml |
21:28:03 | Help | haha |
21:28:13 | Help | and which of them? |
21:28:19 | quelsaruk | last one |
21:28:22 | quelsaruk | for example |
21:28:24 | DJBaz | http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/recorder/archos20030404.ajz |
21:28:31 | DJBaz | :> |
21:28:38 | Help | k ill try it.... |
21:28:40 | DJBaz | http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/recorder/archos20030409.ajz <=- that one |
21:28:47 | quelsaruk | 09 |
21:28:52 | quelsaruk | that's better |
21:28:54 | quelsaruk | ;) |
21:28:57 | DJBaz | :D |
21:29:02 | Help | hmmm |
21:29:05 | DJBaz | infact, i should download it 2 lol |
21:29:58 | DJBaz | wget is a reall handy commeand |
21:31:09 | Help | :O |
21:31:21 | Help | juhu thx a lot guys |
21:31:27 | DJBaz | np |
21:31:37 | Help | yo :D |
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21:35:06 | quelsaruk | http://usuarios.lycos.es/delecami/Rockbox-manual.pdf |
21:35:20 | quelsaruk | rockbox manual version 0.9 |
21:35:21 | quelsaruk | :) |
21:35:41 | quelsaruk | i've jumped from 0.4 to 0.9 :P |
21:35:46 | DJBaz | quelsaruk: r u using adobe acrobat to create the pdf? |
21:36:12 | quelsaruk | yups.. here at work i have win2k |
21:36:15 | quelsaruk | why? |
21:37:11 | DJBaz | jst wondering |
21:37:15 | DJBaz | :o) |
21:37:23 | quelsaruk | :) |
21:37:27 | quelsaruk | cu tomorrow! |
21:37:29 | DJBaz | cause theres some freeware apps now that can make pdf files |
21:37:41 | quelsaruk | but i have acrobat |
21:37:43 | quelsaruk | :) |
21:37:44 | quelsaruk | so... |
21:37:52 | quelsaruk | :P |
21:38:41 | DJBaz | heh |
21:38:42 | DJBaz | tara |
21:38:48 | quelsaruk | bye |
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22:51:22 | | Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
22:52:59 | LinusN | hi Zagor |
22:53:26 | LinusN | i looked at your wps.c fix |
22:53:50 | LinusN | it has a side effect |
22:54:00 | Zagor | ok? |
22:54:06 | LinusN | it stops the music if you press next while playing the last file |
22:54:33 | LinusN | it used to ignore Next if playing the last track |
22:54:40 | Zagor | right |
22:54:46 | Zagor | minor issue, imho |
22:55:14 | LinusN | and the stopping should be done in mpeg.c imho |
22:55:31 | Zagor | why? |
22:55:42 | LinusN | because it did the stopping before your fix |
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22:56:13 | BoD[] | mblelop!! |
22:56:21 | Zagor | yes, but that was out of necessity. this is application behaviour. |
22:56:38 | LinusN | then you should remove the stopping in mpeg.c |
22:56:44 | LinusN | now it stops twice |
22:57:11 | Zagor | the mpeg code naturally must stop playing while refilling the buffer |
22:57:39 | LinusN | yes |
22:57:47 | LinusN | and now the application does the stopping |
22:58:07 | Zagor | it's not the same thing |
22:58:15 | Zagor | one is a ui design decision |
22:58:29 | Zagor | the other is a strict technical necessity to avoid garbage in sound output |
22:59:01 | LinusN | i can agree with that |
22:59:03 | Zagor | it's not a big issue, but if it's not a problem I'd prefer to keep it like this |
22:59:51 | LinusN | i was thinking of taking out the id3v1 parsing from getmp3info() and parse id3v1 after loading the first mpeg chunk |
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23:00:34 | Zagor | post-2.0? |
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23:01:18 | LinusN | no, now |
23:01:52 | Zagor | for speed? |
23:02:06 | LinusN | yes |
23:02:55 | Zagor | i think i'd like to wait until post-2.0 |
23:02:59 | LinusN | ok |
23:04:34 | LinusN | i found a small error in mpeg.c regarding the loading/swapping when play_pending=true |
23:05:06 | LinusN | it loads 0x40000 bytes and swaps 0x10000, when it only needs to load 0x10000 |
23:05:17 | Zagor | ok |
23:05:46 | Zagor | that's a pre-2.0 issue, imho |
23:05:55 | LinusN | me too, i am about to commit it |
23:06:00 | Zagor | good |
23:06:33 | LinusN | i was thinking of doing the 8meg cludge the "correct" way |
23:06:48 | LinusN | todays solution is a hack |
23:07:04 | Zagor | didn't bagder fix that? |
23:07:32 | LinusN | well, i'm not sure i agree with the way it is solved |
23:07:55 | Zagor | ok |
23:09:19 | LinusN | but i'll leave it for now |
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23:11:59 | tracktheripper | Hi |
23:13:17 | jankey | hey |
23:13:26 | tracktheripper | hi Jankey |
23:13:29 | tracktheripper | never seen u before |
23:13:29 | tracktheripper | :) |
23:13:40 | jankey | I'm adam |
23:13:55 | tracktheripper | hi Adam im J |
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23:14:55 | jankey | no |
23:14:57 | jankey | as in, adam :P |
23:15:06 | jankey | just using my local box |
23:15:43 | ED9283 | do you know how to delete files using the rockbox firmware? |
23:15:49 | tracktheripper | Adam wot archos do u have? |
23:15:56 | tracktheripper | ED9283 ON and PLAY on a file |
23:15:59 | tracktheripper | and select Delete |
23:16:00 | LinusN | ED9283: ON+PLAY |
23:16:09 | ED9283 | say ok ill try it |
23:16:26 | jankey | track: I had the recorder FM, studio 20 |
23:16:39 | jankey | I returned the recorder to buy a AV140 when they come out |
23:16:42 | tracktheripper | ohh |
23:16:48 | LinusN | ED9283: make sure you use a daily build |
23:16:53 | tracktheripper | how is the AV140? |
23:17:38 | MT | whats an av140? |
23:17:42 | | Quit ED9283 (Client Quit) |
23:18:08 | tracktheripper | MT its the latest version of the MM |
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23:18:14 | jankey | AV140 seems to have alot better DivX compatibility than the earlier multimedia |
23:18:20 | MT | oh |
23:18:29 | jankey | uses a faster processor |
23:18:29 | MT | it has software by archos on it? |
23:18:32 | MT | forget it :) |
23:18:34 | jankey | and it uses USB2 by default |
23:18:50 | ed6823 | thank you so much..are there any other undocumented features i should know? |
23:18:54 | jankey | until rockbox can handle DivX, I'll stick with the AV140 :p |
23:19:02 | MT | erm |
23:19:13 | LinusN | ed6823: not really, and they will be documented someday |
23:19:19 | MT | iirc, 75% of features are undocumented :) |
23:19:38 | MT | rockbox needs a doc-rockbox project :) |
23:19:54 | tracktheripper | well MT im banned from sending any more requests :( |
23:19:57 | MT | (i know, i'm exagerating, it just feels like that sometimes :) |
23:20:45 | LinusN | MT: we are working hard on the docs now |
23:21:13 | MT | dont do it on my account Linus ;) |
23:21:26 | ed6823 | Ok, are there any exceptionally cool features the usual person doesn't know? |
23:21:33 | LinusN | Zagor: the 0x40000 vs 0x10000 didn't make much of a difference |
23:21:40 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
23:21:40 | * | jankey likes pitch shifts |
23:21:41 | LinusN | ed6823: recording? |
23:21:52 | Zagor | LinusN: i didn't expect it to either |
23:22:31 | Zagor | jankey: have you seen the karaoke voice filter? |
23:23:01 | tracktheripper | it doesn't remove 100% of vocals |
23:23:15 | Zagor | no, but it does a good job |
23:23:19 | tracktheripper | :-) |
23:23:25 | tracktheripper | I wonder how it works |
23:23:43 | Zagor | it subtracts the left channel from the right, and the right from the left |
23:23:44 | jankey | Zagor, a long time ago, unless you changed it |
23:23:48 | tracktheripper | Is one channel inverted and added to the other channel, thereby cancelling out any centrally-mixed vocals? |
23:23:51 | Zagor | basically removing all mono sound |
23:24:00 | tracktheripper | ohh |
23:24:12 | tracktheripper | Zagor you rejected that request a while back! |
23:24:25 | tracktheripper | you commented "This is a new codec, Go ask Micronas" :-) |
23:24:30 | Zagor | yup. that was when we thought we could only add in the channel mixer, not subtract |
23:24:41 | tracktheripper | lol :-) |
23:24:53 | * | jankey has just used daily builds :P |
23:25:03 | tracktheripper | and someone said "Change this to Fixed now its in the daily builds" |
23:25:04 | jankey | you tend to notice more differences in that regard |
23:26:59 | LinusN | Zagor: the 0x10000 might make a bigger difference on a slower hard disk |
23:27:09 | tracktheripper | Zagor do you get the Stereo Wide and Narrow effects when you connect the Archos to a hifi with a Y-cable? |
23:27:36 | Zagor | tracktheripper: haven't tried it. why wouldn't i? |
23:27:59 | tracktheripper | Just wondered how the Stereo Wide mode would sound through a hifi |
23:28:03 | tracktheripper | would be good for live concerts |
23:28:04 | tracktheripper | :-) |
23:42:18 | tracktheripper | is a character cell on the player's LCD only 35 pixels? (5x7) |
23:42:31 | LinusN | yup |
23:42:57 | tracktheripper | no-wonder it cannot display images, even basic 1bit ones :-) |
23:43:13 | ed6823 | I installed the doom version for fun, now how do I read the HD again? |
23:43:39 | tracktheripper | just hook up the USB cable and delete it via Window |
23:43:40 | tracktheripper | s |
23:43:42 | tracktheripper | windows |
23:44:05 | Zagor | ed6823: hook it up before you power on |
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