#rockbox 2003-04-15

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#rockbox log for 2003-04-15

00:12:11	Bagder	some people write looooong mails
00:12:30	Bagder	a 33K plain text mail was posted on the svn list just now
00:13:30	Zagor	tikes
00:13:32	Zagor	y
00:14:29	Bagder	mini-itx.com is cool site btw, they sell lots of weird itx boxes
00:14:41	Zagor	yeah
00:15:19	BoD[]	itx ?
00:15:33	Bagder	mini-itx is a tiny VIA motherboard
00:15:42	BoD[]	ah ok
00:16:09	BoD[]	is it what they put in the shuttle cases ?
00:16:09	Bagder	suitable for making small quiet boxes, like an stationary mp3 player or so
00:18:15	BoD[]	anyway ;)
00:18:21	PsycoXul	http://psyco.yi.org:8042/oddanimation.html
00:21:00	Bagder	Zagor: seen this http://www.nic-se.se/pdf/antaldomaner.pdf ?
00:21:17	Bagder	all the domains with more than one trying to register
00:21:22	Bagder	the .se ones
00:22:06	Zagor	hehe
00:22:22	Bagder	vodka.se 21
00:22:24	Zagor	google.se: 64
00:22:26	Bagder	:-)
00:22:37	Bagder	paramount.se 20
00:22:38	Zagor	cocacola.se: 61
00:22:42	Bagder	hahaha
00:22:54	Zagor	lovely squatting attempts
00:23:07	Bagder	no doubt they'll lose them
00:23:16	Zagor	yes
00:38:20	Bagder	night
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04:15:16	The_Supernerd	Continued - Check log -> as a completion to my journey without rockbox today, i couldn't even use my archos today. -continuing
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04:19:08	Dragonfly1600	anyone around..? i have a problem!!
04:19:17	nerdymonster	go ahead
04:19:49	Dragonfly1600	Umm.. two days ago, i downloaded a new .mod file.. when i restarted my player, it didn't turn on, it says:
04:20:21	Dragonfly1600	Jukebox Wait... (Flashing # symbol)
04:20:40	Dragonfly1600	then it says: File sys. Error
04:20:41	nerdymonster	what type of archos are you using?
04:20:48	Dragonfly1600	Studio 10
04:21:06	nerdymonster	ah, same as mine. Your harddrive locked.
04:21:23	nerdymonster	you can unlock it from a tutorial at www.rockbox.tk
04:21:29	Dragonfly1600	oh boy.. sounds fun..
04:21:39	Dragonfly1600	umm cool.. is it hard to do?
04:22:06	nerdymonster	no, not really. I never had a problem doing it. Its very simple.
04:23:01	Dragonfly1600	do i need any special programs or cords or anything?
04:23:13	nerdymonster	no, ill send you a direct link to the site in a sec.
04:23:35	Dragonfly1600	ok awesome, thanks
04:24:31	Dragonfly1600	yeah, i've been going nuts for the past 2 days playing around with the batteries, someone told me it could be a battery problem.. sigh of relief
04:24:50	nerdymonster	hmm, you do need a program for it but its step-by-step. my mistake.
04:24:53	nerdymonster	http://rockbox.haxx.se/lock.html
04:25:06	Dragonfly1600	thank you so much
04:25:53	nerdymonster	np.
04:26:03	nerdymonster	hold on real quick.
04:26:49	nerdymonster	can you access the rockbox from your pc.
04:26:54	nerdymonster	?
04:27:27	Dragonfly1600	umm.. by plugging it into the usb.. no
04:28:10	nerdymonster	hmm, what happens when you do?
04:28:21	Dragonfly1600	umm.. hold on 1 sec
04:28:36	Dragonfly1600	it says USB active...
04:28:53	Dragonfly1600	but the icon on my taskbar thing shows an X over a green circle
04:29:07	Dragonfly1600	and the drive thing doesn't come up like it usually would
04:30:17	Dragonfly1600	?
04:30:18	nerdymonster	here is a way to make sure. Go into "My computer" , select "Control panel" then "system".
04:30:20	nerdymonster	depending on your version of windows, there may be a "Device manager" tab. If not, it may be under "Hardware"
04:30:29	nerdymonster	too fast?
04:30:49	Dragonfly1600	no, but let me do it.. hold on
04:30:53	nerdymonster	ok
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04:32:29	Dragonfly1602	umm.. ok
04:32:33	Dragonfly1602	did you get any of that?
04:33:09	Dragonfly1602	ok i got to the device manager
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04:35:07	Dragonfly1602	are you there still?
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04:35:42	nerdymonster	hold on again.
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04:38:09	Dragonfly1602	what's going on!?
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04:46:46	Dragonfly1600	is anyone alive that can help me determine if i have a battery problem or i have to unlock my jukebox studio 10??
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04:51:41	Dragonfly1600	omg can't anyone help me?
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06:10:14	billytwowilly	Hi, I'm having some troubles copying files off of my archos jukebox 6000 to my mandrake 9.1 box (granted, I had these same problems in windows). when I try to transfer files back to my computer the transfer stalls and then the process can't be killed...
06:10:18	billytwowilly	any suggestions?
06:10:39	billytwowilly	or is file transfer to the computer just terminally broken in the jukebox 6000 series?
06:15:12	PsycoXul	make sure the batteries are charged
06:15:23	PsycoXul	i always got that problem when the batteries ran low
06:15:28	PsycoXul	and occasionaly just at random
06:15:28	PsycoXul	heh
06:15:35	PsycoXul	sometimes it's just slow too
06:15:38	PsycoXul	and seems like it's locked up
06:15:53	billytwowilly	I've always tried it after a fresh recharge. I've even put new batteries into it. twice..
06:16:39	billytwowilly	the transfer says it's stalled in kde.. and transfering via commandline stalls/locks up too. I've left it for several days before...
06:16:53	PsycoXul	heh
06:17:05	billytwowilly	I wish I had my 500 bucks back so I could buy a newer archos.. this thing has been giving me problems for 2 years..
06:17:07	billytwowilly	doh..
06:17:33	PsycoXul	ouch
06:17:56	billytwowilly	well, that's 500 canadian, so it's like 4 dollars american, but still;)
06:18:09	PsycoXul	heh
06:18:10	PsycoXul	oh ok
06:18:30	billytwowilly	well, really it's around 350 american, or was when I bought it..
06:19:01	billytwowilly	and that included the car adaptor stuff (which turns out to be a complete ripoff because it still runs of the batteries and the batteries are crappy nimh)..
06:19:13	billytwowilly	the things you learn with experience I suppose;)
06:19:23	billytwowilly	they putting lithium ion batteries in the new archos' yet?
06:19:23	PsycoXul	heh
06:19:31	PsycoXul	the FM rec's
06:19:53	PsycoXul	have a custom flat lithium ion battery pack
06:20:06	PsycoXul	i got a studio20 for xmas of 2001
06:20:07	billytwowilly	custom=bad=expensive.
06:20:10	PsycoXul	and it quit charging
06:20:19	PsycoXul	so i took it into best buy and they traded it for an fm rec
06:20:19	PsycoXul	heh
06:20:37	billytwowilly	I've been really, really dissapointed with the quality of the archos product.
06:20:47	PsycoXul	why's that
06:20:57	PsycoXul	my only complaints were the firmware
06:21:01	billytwowilly	the only reason I'd ever buy their product again is if I knew I could get rockbox to work on it.
06:21:19	billytwowilly	well, the batteries on my jukebox 6000 have been flaky from the start.
06:21:43	billytwowilly	through 2 new sets of batteries, which means it isn't the batteries, it's the charging mechanism..
06:21:49	PsycoXul	heh
06:22:06	billytwowilly	the jukebox 6000 feels like it's alpha hardware.
06:22:10	PsycoXul	wellon my studio20
06:22:29	PsycoXul	the adapter plugin got loose
06:22:40	PsycoXul	and then it wouldn't make contact unless i jiggled it a certain way
06:22:56	PsycoXul	and eventualy it quit charging entirely
06:23:02	PsycoXul	even when it was making contact
06:23:04	billytwowilly	it's not that though.. plus the firmware (as you said) sucks so bad that it makes me cry sometimes.
06:23:19	PsycoXul	thats when i took it in to bestbuy
06:23:20	PsycoXul	heh
06:23:28	billytwowilly	I upgraded to the latest rockbox firmware from the latest archos firmware and 3/4 of my problems went away.
06:23:38	PsycoXul	heh
06:23:50	PsycoXul	i got used to the bugs and limitations in the archos firmware
06:24:00	PsycoXul	and just used it within it's capabilities
06:24:05	PsycoXul	till rockbox was usable
06:24:10	billytwowilly	plus, there doesn't appear to be any fixes for the jukebox 6000 firmware, so if it wasn't for rockbox I'd be stuck with shit.
06:24:34	billytwowilly	companies that do that don't to me once just don't get any more of my money.
06:25:09	*	PsycoXul compiles filmgimp
06:25:25	billytwowilly	isn't it called cinealara or something now?
06:25:36	PsycoXul	yeah but the last release is still filmgimp
06:25:59	PsycoXul	and it's cinepaint
06:26:18	billytwowilly	there we go;) I knew it was cinesomething;)
06:26:22	PsycoXul	cinelerra is the replacement for broadcast2000
06:26:22	PsycoXul	heh
06:27:14	PsycoXul	hmm...
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08:12:02	Bagder	red build
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08:17:36	dwihno	Hello hey!
08:18:11	Bagder	morning dwihno
08:18:16	dwihno	:-)
08:18:21	dwihno	Damn it's cold outside!
08:18:35	dwihno	about 2+
08:18:41	Bagder	about 7 here
08:19:10	dwihno	Spoiled evil dudes! :)
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08:27:12	dwihno	I figured something out.
08:27:21	dwihno	6 hours of sleep is not enough.
08:27:51	Bagder	I had 5
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08:29:07	TBoy	hoi
08:29:13	Bagder	hi
08:30:34	dwihno	Bagder: well, sleep is something of a luxory :)
08:30:58	dwihno	How do I replace my modified files with fresh ones from the cvs?
08:31:06	dwihno	(I don't want a "merge")
08:31:16	Bagder	remove your local ones and then update
08:32:52	dwihno	just erase the file?
08:33:15	Bagder	or rename it if you wanna keep a version of your changes
08:33:38	dwihno	ah
08:34:12	dwihno	nice
08:34:13	dwihno	:)
08:36:19	dwihno	I'm waiting for Linus
08:37:20	dwihno	He gave me some quite good feedback yesterday regarding the invert cursor patch
08:37:29	Bagder	neato
08:38:23	dwihno	It will rule so badly! :D
08:38:30	dwihno	Official showstopper for 2.1
08:38:33	dwihno	;-)
08:38:41	Bagder	:-)
08:38:42	dwihno	Along with the red led dead fix, perhaps
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08:58:50	dwihno	Willkommen zur�ck, langhaar :D
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09:01:47	langhaarrocker	that's me
09:02:09	dwihno	:-D
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09:03:02	LinusN	the latest bug report worries me
09:03:36	Bagder	which one's that?
09:03:43	LinusN	719116
09:03:58	LinusN	[ 719116 ] Recording bug MP3 first frame?
09:04:45	Bagder	but he hasn't responded yet how a more recent version works
09:05:54	LinusN	well, he reported yesterday, but you are correct that he didn't tell us which version he used
09:06:30	LinusN	the problem is that the file system code has terrible performance for appended writes
09:07:09	LinusN	as sson as the file gets big, the seek times are overwhelming, especially if you have small clusters
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09:07:30	Bagder	shall we send a hitman to Bj�rn's house?
09:07:32	Quelsaruk	morning
09:07:35	Bagder	hi Quelsaruk
09:07:39	Quelsaruk	a hitman?
09:07:44	Quelsaruk	a fight?
09:07:48	Quelsaruk	sacrifice??
09:07:49	Bagder	you want the job? ;-)
09:07:50	Quelsaruk	ME??
09:07:52	LinusN	Bagder: i did and he fixed it, but the fix was bad
09:07:54	Quelsaruk	pliiizzzzz
09:08:04	Bagder	ah
09:08:57	LinusN	i sent some recording screenshots to zagor
09:11:00	LinusN	we might want to include the file system issue in the "known problems" list...
09:11:15	LinusN	or fix it, of course
09:11:54	LinusN	it may sort of undermine the confidence of the recording function if we don't fix it...
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09:12:28	LinusN	and yes, i think it's important to fix it before the release
09:13:51	LinusN	Zagor: i think the flush() seek times are a problem
09:14:13	Zagor	ok?
09:14:54	LinusN	[ 719116 ] Recording bug MP3 first frame?
09:16:20	langhaarrocker	Linus: Do you remember that I mentioned that mp3directCut often reports "Sync errors"? That might be the same problem.
09:17:22	LinusN	could be
09:17:55	LinusN	but i thought you had them in the beginning of the file?
09:18:22	langhaarrocker	No, they were spread all over the file
09:18:54	LinusN	how long was that recording, and when was it?
09:19:40	langhaarrocker	It was with the build of 10. Apr and it was the entire Apocalyptica album 'Reflections'.
09:20:01	LinusN	ouch, file system bug then...
09:20:27	LinusN	what intervals?
09:20:33	langhaarrocker	random
09:20:42	langhaarrocker	No pattern detectable
09:21:33	LinusN	that's a show stopper for sure
09:21:34	langhaarrocker	But hey, - we don't know wether mp3DirectCut is _the_ reference implementation of mp3 decoding ...
09:21:56	langhaarrocker	I haven't heared any audiable glitches.
09:21:58	LinusN	langhaarrocker: do you still have the recording?
09:22:24	langhaarrocker	Not here at work. Maybe I can send it to you tomorrow.
09:22:34	LinusN	no no, i have a dialup
09:22:52	LinusN	i want you to run VBRFix (not the rockbox one) on it
09:23:41	LinusN	or fixvbr, i can never remember what it was
09:24:26	LinusN	and you are sure that your FAT is error-free?
09:24:59	langhaarrocker	I'm never sure about that. :)
09:24:59	langhaarrocker	Scandisc doesn't see any errors.
09:25:15	Quelsaruk	btw, i have a weird proble,
09:25:19	Quelsaruk	problem
09:25:33	Quelsaruk	i can't queue files
09:25:47	Quelsaruk	rockbox doesn't create the .queue_file
09:32:07	LinusN	Quelsaruk: do you have a .rockbox dir?
09:32:52	Quelsaruk	yups
09:33:08	Quelsaruk	and i've used the queue option long time ago
09:33:10	Quelsaruk	:)
09:33:22	Quelsaruk	1 or even 2 months ago
09:33:31	Quelsaruk	but now i can't use it
09:33:41	langhaarrocker	Linus: Remember that it's no use to tell Quelsaruk to rtfm. :)
09:33:59	Quelsaruk	rtfm?
09:34:13	langhaarrocker	Read The F$�%ing Manual
09:34:20	Quelsaruk	hahahahahahaha
09:34:31	Quelsaruk	if i had to read the manual once more
09:34:50	Quelsaruk	i would die ;)
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09:36:08	TheDoctor	where ... wher must i put the dif file in the project to apply with patch
09:36:31	Bagder	anywhere
09:36:51	Bagder	cd to the source root
09:36:57	langhaarrocker	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html
09:37:32	TheDoctor	wow i read the patch.html.... put it doesn't really work...
09:37:48	Bagder	what happens then?
09:38:25	TheDoctor	"can't find file in input line 3"
09:38:36	Bagder	then the -p number is wrong
09:38:57	TheDoctor	do i have to use a p number??
09:39:07	Bagder	you read that page?
09:39:32	adi\|home	im tired so... <insert snide remark here>
09:39:43	TheDoctor	yeah but i didn't got that...
09:41:00	Bagder	the -p "cuts off" directory prefixes fromt he file names specified in the patch
09:41:03	adi\|home	https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=693536&group_id=44306
09:41:10	adi\|home	how did that not get rejected?
09:41:34	Bagder	personally, because I don't know how the FM tuner works
09:41:44	adi\|home	got ya...
09:41:50	adi\|home	but i agree with track...
09:41:58	TheDoctor	it got rejected but i was toooooo late for me yesterday night.....
09:41:59	adi\|home	if it was possible.. i think archos would have done it...
09:42:28	Zagor	Linus said previously that perhaps AM reception was possible. so it's not obviously a rejectable
09:42:32	Bagder	TheDoctor: well, if things have changed too much, parts of it might get rejected indeed
09:42:46	LinusN	oh yeah, so auto-volume is not possible because they haven't implemented it?
09:43:55	Bagder	yes
09:44:03	Bagder	its all figments of our imagination! ;-)
09:44:34	langhaarrocker	And the peakmeter in fact isn't really high resolution but only interpolated. It really knows only 8 states.
09:44:44	LinusN	the fm radio chip supports AM reception, it's an antenna issue
09:45:18	langhaarrocker	Was it AM reception you need those ferrit antennas for?
09:47:11	langhaarrocker	feature request: Receive the DCF time signal to synchronize the FM Recorder's clock! :)
09:48:14	LinusN	langhaarrocker: not sure
09:49:55	TheDoctor	hmmm. now i got : missing header for unified diff
09:53:34	LinusN	is it a unified diff then?
09:54:29	TheDoctor	its the status.dif from patch tracker...
09:55:51	TheDoctor	what means the text leading up to this was: \|−−−−status.old ... and \|+++status.c
09:56:07	TheDoctor	but there isn't any ststus.c in the source...
09:56:30	TheDoctor	only status.o
09:57:05	langhaarrocker	status.c should exist. Maybe you should update your source tree from cvs.
09:57:38	Zagor	TheDoctor: it sounds like you are in the wrong dir. status.o is in your output dir, not in the source dir.
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10:03:07	TheDoctor	done so with the cvs... doing again now...
10:04:11	TheDoctor	i put the patch file into the home\rockbox\build-dir\
10:04:25	Bagder	put it whereever
10:04:29	Bagder	then cd into the source dir
10:06:11	Zagor	LinusN: is the recording bug something you want to hold 2.0 for?
10:06:46	LinusN	yes, definitely
10:07:15	LinusN	it's not recording per se, it's a file system bug
10:07:30	LinusN	if it is a bug, that is
10:07:40	Zagor	the slow seek?
10:08:12	LinusN	or whatever it is, langhaarrocker's findings suggest something else
10:08:12	TheDoctor	aaargh forgot to change into source dir...
10:08:38	Zagor	langhaarrocker: are those glitches heard with all players?
10:08:54	LinusN	the slow seek may be a problem, since it limits the lenght of the recordings
10:09:28	LinusN	that's why we introduced the flush() remember?
10:09:41	Zagor	yes
10:10:08	LinusN	but the flush is crippled today, since the first version was bad
10:10:26	Zagor	I suggest we start saving 10 seconds earlier to offset this problem, until we have time to optimise the file code
10:10:34	LinusN	ok
10:11:18	TheDoctor	why is it asking "file to patch:" can't he find the file??
10:11:29	LinusN	still, langhaarrocker's problem is another one
10:11:30	LinusN	TheDoctor: exactly
10:11:37	LinusN	try the -p option
10:11:48	LinusN	even -p0 might be necessary
10:13:02	LinusN	langhaarrocker: the sync errors in mp3directcut, could they be the result of VBRFix?
10:17:45	TheDoctor	when i run make i get much of those nasty :"updating dependencies..... no such file or directoy errors...
10:19:54	Bagder	that's expected
10:20:06	Bagder	a bit unfriendly, but expected ;-)
10:20:48	TheDoctor	hmm... i found all the -c files... but in my apps directory... not in build-dir... there are only .o files... hmmmm...
10:20:56	Bagder	yes
10:21:00	Bagder	the build dir has no .c files
10:21:05	Bagder	they're in the source dir
10:21:45	TheDoctor	and i have to run patch out of the build-dir ...damn strange(for my little head)
10:21:56	Bagder	?
10:22:04	Bagder	you should run patch in your source dir
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10:22:27	TheDoctor	LOL..not in build-dir??
10:22:31	Bagder	no
10:22:35	Bagder	the build dir is only for building
10:22:42	Bagder	the source dir is for sources ;-)
10:22:45	TheDoctor	aaarrgh...
10:22:56	tracktheripper	hi
10:23:05	Bagder	hi
10:23:12	dwihno	trackmeister
10:23:13	tracktheripper	:)
10:23:22	tracktheripper	hi Dwihno
10:23:28	Zagor	tracktheripper: please ask here if features are possible before filing a request
10:23:46	tracktheripper	pardon
10:23:47	tracktheripper	>
10:24:02	TheDoctor	DOOOOHHH workd.....
10:24:21	Bagder	goodie
10:24:22	tracktheripper	Zagor last time I was here I did ask but no-one bothered to answer me :-(
10:24:32	TheDoctor	grmmmpf... I really thank you for the help and the spent time!!!!!..
10:24:51	Zagor	tracktheripper: in that case it's ok. but mostly someone is here to answer.
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10:25:15	tracktheripper	Zagor what request are you referring to?
10:25:26	Zagor	(manual updated with real recording screenshots)
10:25:32	Bagder	wooo
10:25:36	Zagor	tracktheripper: pop/hiss remover
10:26:29	tracktheripper	should be easy enough
10:26:53	Zagor	tracktheripper: how?
10:27:17	tracktheripper	i explained in the feature request
10:28:03	Bagder	no you didn't
10:28:06	Zagor	tracktheripper: you explained what you want, not how to do it
10:28:44	Bagder	its quite a lot harder to do it programaticly than to look at a wave and detect it with your eyes
10:28:55	tracktheripper	Tape hiss is usually around a certain frequency that you could tell the Recorder to ignore or remove
10:29:12	Zagor	especially when you don't have a waveform at all... this is mp3 data!
10:29:30	LinusN	and the mp3 decoder is in hardware, and all it can do is play it
10:29:34	Bagder	would take a helluva code chunk to do it
10:29:43	Zagor	tracktheripper: "tell the recorder to remove or ignore"??? the recorder is a dsp and a cpu, not a butler.
10:29:52	LinusN	:-)
10:30:40	tracktheripper	well you can't blame me for trying :-)
10:30:46	LinusN	:_)
10:31:05	tracktheripper	well you don't use Winamp to play Tetris!!!
10:31:25	Zagor	tracktheripper: I don't. I just ask that you take it up here first, so we don't get a lot of unimplementable requests.
10:31:46	tracktheripper	Zagor like I said, I did ask that here but no-one bothered to answer
10:32:16	Zagor	Quelsaruk: do you want to be in charge of maintaining the docs, or do you feel someone else could do that?
10:32:17	tracktheripper	((makes Zagor a cup of tea))
10:32:53	LinusN	Zagor: you received my screenshots + changes?
10:32:58	Zagor	LinusN: yes
10:33:23	Zagor	LinusN: um, only screenshots. no changes.
10:33:23	tracktheripper	is version 2 coming out any time soon?
10:33:46	Zagor	tracktheripper: yes
10:33:57	tracktheripper	when?
10:34:04	Zagor	soon
10:34:11	tracktheripper	:-)
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10:38:37	tracktheripper	what ever happened to joquams interface?
10:38:46	Zagor	we never received patches
10:39:12	tracktheripper	well Dwihno is working on the inverted video line which works with ALL fonts
10:39:32	Zagor	exactly
10:39:35	Bagder	yes, that's dwihno's patch
10:40:18	tracktheripper	yea Badger joquams IVL didnt work with any other font
10:40:33	Bagder	it didn't work for me at all
10:40:53	Bagder	since the patch was never applied :-)
10:41:03	tracktheripper	well at least the IVL saves a few precious pixels......
10:42:24	LinusN	dwihno's patch looks great!
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10:42:41	tracktheripper	well get it applied in the daily builds LinusN!
10:42:45	tracktheripper	fast!
10:42:51	LinusN	after 2.0
10:42:52	dwihno	tracktheripper: not before 2.0
10:42:54	kellyrocks	hello−−i have a winxp question
10:43:00	tracktheripper	:-(
10:43:09	LinusN	kellyrocks: and you joined this channel for that?
10:43:13	LinusN	:-)
10:43:17	kellyrocks	hee hee
10:43:24	kellyrocks	winxp archos i mean
10:43:43	tracktheripper	dwihno..........
10:44:03	LinusN	Zagor: weird, i sent you 2 emails
10:44:05	kellyrocks	stupid winxp pro only ready my archos 15 jukebox rec. as a hard drive, not a removable...
10:44:31	dwihno	kellyrocks: that's fully normal
10:44:53	dwihno	kellyrocks: windows says "this is an internal disk", even if it's an external :)
10:45:03	kellyrocks	it's screwing up access to proggies tho, such as eek (moodlogic)
10:45:22	PsycoXul	kellyrocks: it won't give an eject in it's pop-up menu, but it should have a removal thing in the device thing whatever icon in the sys tray
10:46:04	kellyrocks	ok−−i've got that−−see, the drive letter changed as well−−from removable storage D to HD G
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10:48:23	tracktheripper	lol at Dwihno
10:48:36	dwihno	,7CIAO A TUTTI
10:48:49	dwihno	^ the italian way to join an IRC channel ;)
10:48:55	tracktheripper	lol at Dwihno :-)
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10:49:22	tracktheripper	Dwihno it would help if Zagor smiles from time to time :-)
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10:50:41	dwihno	:-)
10:50:57	Bagder	mirc colours are evil
10:51:01	tracktheripper	:-)
10:51:19	tracktheripper	linus you aren't colourblind are u?
10:51:28	Zagor	what known bugs do we have, except red led dead?
10:52:04	tracktheripper	theres nothing wrong with my red led
10:52:47	Zagor	(updating the release notes)
10:52:50	Bagder	we have bugs?
10:52:52	Bagder	:-P
10:53:13	adi\|home	i really need to get my scroll wheel working on my mouse
10:54:13	Quelsaruk	Zagor: sorry, i was away
10:54:24	Quelsaruk	i think i can maintain docs
10:54:34	Zagor	Quelsaruk: ok, good
10:54:55	Quelsaruk	but not this week
10:54:57	Quelsaruk	:)
10:55:03	tracktheripper	hi Adi
10:55:15	Quelsaruk	also, i think i could do what we talked about languages
10:55:51	Zagor	Quelsaruk: excellent!
10:56:21	langhaarrocker	Linus: I didn't run any vbrfix on the recorded files before splitting it with mp3directCut.
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11:02:21	langhaarrocker	Zagor another bug left: dynamic tags don't update in scrolling wps lines
11:02:33	Schnueff	args content.xml in manual.sxw consists of two lines :)
11:02:39	Schnueff	600K
11:02:52	Zagor	langhaarrocker: that is documented, so it's more a missing feature
11:03:02	langhaarrocker	ok
11:03:09	Zagor	Schnueff: ?
11:03:10	Quelsaruk	no-one has an idea of why rockbox can't create the .queue_file on my recorder??
11:03:15	TheDoctor	okay i done it and ran the $make how i make now the archos.mod
11:03:37	Zagor	Quelsaruk: you do have a .rockbox dir?
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11:04:44	Zagor	Schnueff: ah, now I see.
11:05:08	Quelsaruk	yups zagor
11:05:40	Quelsaruk	2 months ago i could queue files
11:05:46	Quelsaruk	nowadays i'm not able
11:05:58	Quelsaruk	i thought it could be that the .queue_file was corrupt
11:06:00	Quelsaruk	so i deleted it
11:06:40	Quelsaruk	now i know that i couldn't queue files because rockbox doesn't write anything
11:06:47	langhaarrocker	Zagor: (maybe) another problem: I had distorted monitor on the headphones while recording from digital input. Recorded file was ok. But I haven't investigated that one. Was with daily build of 10th April.
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11:08:58	quel\|out	time to work a little
11:12:29	Zagor	langhaarrocker: could it be the headphone amp that distorted?
11:12:41	langhaarrocker	yes that might be.
11:13:19	Schnueff	hm the player shots have different sizes
11:13:26	Schnueff	very suspicious :)
11:13:33	Zagor	:-)
11:14:09	Zagor	oh damn, that "page numbers" text is back :-)
11:14:29	Bagder	yeps
11:14:39	langhaarrocker	Zagor: I didn't touch the volume: before recording: ok while recording: distorted after recording: ok
11:15:02	Zagor	it's a silly openoffice bug: if you have "show field codes" enabled, they will also be enabled in the pdf output...
11:15:10	Zagor	langhaarrocker: ok
11:15:40	quel\|out	zagor... that's a beginner's error ;P
11:16:11	Zagor	quel\|out: I'm a beginner docwriter :-)
11:16:12	langhaarrocker	That's why Zagor didn't implement this bug in rockbox :)
11:17:03	Zagor	fixed
11:18:00	Schnueff	ah, tidy is my friend
11:18:18	quel\|out	Zagor: i'm pleased to find myself at the credits :) (but shouldn't that be corrected on CVS?)
11:18:49	Zagor	quel\|out: it should. I just forgot to check in that yesterday
11:18:56	quel\|out	:)
11:19:02	TheDoctor	THX for help Bye
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11:19:47	quel\|out	btw, none find strange the While Recording Screen snapshoths?
11:19:49	quel\|out	:)
11:20:22	Zagor	quel\|out: I have replaced them with real screenshots linus took yesterday
11:20:25	Schnueff	10:25 < Zagor> (manual updated with real recording screenshots)
11:20:36	quel\|out	ouch!
11:20:41	quel\|out	that's not fair!!
11:20:55	Zagor	hehe
11:21:04	quel\|out	i had to use my best tricks to create those snapshots
11:21:07	quel\|out	:(
11:21:17	quel\|out	:P
11:21:21	Zagor	lunch
11:21:36	quel\|out	cu later
11:21:36	LinusN	quel\|out: they were wrong
11:22:58	quel\|out	LinusN: i wrote just what my recorder displayed :)
11:23:32	LinusN	wrong, you had a colon too many on the f2 screen, and the f3 screen had the wrong text
11:24:46	quel\|out	ok, those screens were 'too' false
11:25:02	quel\|out	but the recording screen was nearly exact
11:25:12	quel\|out	i forgot the little arrow
11:25:38	LinusN	yeah, that was a great idea, using the wps
11:26:58	quel\|out	:)
11:27:01	LinusN	quel\|out: how about your queueing problem?
11:27:12	quel\|out	i don't understand it
11:27:29	quel\|out	it's like rockbox was unable to write data to the HD
11:27:50	quel\|out	that's why i couldn't create a .queue_file
11:27:52	LinusN	langhaarrocker: monitoring while recording has an issue, if the playback volume is set high it may distort while recording
11:28:08	LinusN	quel\|out: can you record?
11:28:16	langhaarrocker	Quel: "unable to queue: out of goat error."
11:28:38	LinusN	"goat intestines underrun"
11:29:00	quel\|out	langhaarrocker: i had to use all my goats to repair my windsurf boom this weekend
11:29:43	*	langhaarrocker dreams of windsurfing
11:29:45	quel\|out	PANIC rec fls: -114
11:29:54	Bagder	whoaaa
11:30:00	quel\|out	LinusN: no, i can't
11:30:01	Bagder	scandisk time?
11:30:09	LinusN	you have a serious filesystem error
11:30:19	LinusN	is the disk full?
11:30:27	quel\|out	i still have 10 GB
11:31:01	quel\|out	i disassembled my hd, mounted on a external case and made scandisk and defrag.
11:31:15	quel\|out	i don't want to format the hd :(
11:31:57	LinusN	which rockbox version?
11:32:08	quel\|out	friday's one
11:32:36	quel\|out	i can try latest bleeding edge
11:33:07	LinusN	hmmm, "seek beyond end-of-file"
11:33:44	LinusN	sounds like a corrupted FAT, or maybe a bug, possibly the same bug that trashed langhaarrocker's recordings
11:33:46	dwihno	How do I add profiling information when gcc:ing a file?
11:33:57	LinusN	i dunno
11:34:33	Bagder	dwihno: -pg
11:34:42	Bagder	or -p
11:35:16	dwihno	ah
11:35:18	dwihno	-pg it was!
11:35:26	dwihno	then I run it and gprof the exe, right?
11:35:33	Bagder	both actually, -p and -pg do different outputs
11:35:36	quel\|out	LinusN: i bet for corrupted fat
11:35:55	quel\|out	as i can't create .queue_file
11:36:06	Bagder	dwihno: yes
11:44:19	LinusN	quel\|out: defrag you say?
11:44:41	LinusN	maybe that did something to the disk that rockbox doesn't like?
11:45:11	LinusN	i'll try that on my fm tonight
11:46:18	quel\|out	ouch!
11:47:20	quel\|out	i defragmented the hard disk 'cause i thought that would waste less time searching a file. :(
11:47:34	LinusN	you did nothing wrong
11:47:55	LinusN	but you might have revealed a rockbox bug
11:48:20	LinusN	which OS do you run on your pc?
11:49:33	quel\|out	linux, win2k and winXP pro. I made the defrag with the winXP box.
11:49:40	LinusN	ok
11:59:45	Bagder	is it possible to get a html version out of that openoffice doc too?
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12:04:05	Bagder	can you go browse the file dir while recording?
12:05:05	LinusN	nope
12:05:20	quel\|out	Bagder: i think so
12:07:00	quel\|out	scandisk finds no errors on the drive
12:09:08	LinusN	ugh
12:09:12	Bagder	I'm working on a little document for my upcoming suggestion for keys in 2.1
12:10:26	quel\|out	linus, i still get that nasty panic
12:10:32	LinusN	ouch
12:10:52	LinusN	quel\|out: can you find out which cluster size you have?
12:11:06	quel\|out	sure
12:11:10	LinusN	basically everything you can find out about the disk
12:11:22	quel\|out	:)
12:13:05	dwihno	Bagder: any major changes?
12:13:39	Bagder	the biggest is probable the "no quick screens"
12:13:41	LinusN	hey, i would really like to have a dump of a few selected sectors off the disk
12:14:03	dwihno	Bagder: whaaaaaat?!
12:14:07	Bagder	and on+play moved
12:14:08	dwihno	?!?!?!?!?!?!?
12:14:21	LinusN	Bagder: wonderful
12:14:41	quel\|out	Bagder: i really want the F2 QS
12:14:42	LinusN	i want one-key selections of everything
12:14:48	Bagder	I'll let you flame me on details once I've come a bit further
12:14:51	quel\|out	or something like it
12:14:52	dwihno	:)
12:14:55	dwihno	Yay for Bag!
12:15:00	dwihno	He will save the day!
12:15:09	dwihno	quel\|out: what problem do you have with the current rockbox builds?
12:15:15	quel\|out	what about using dwihno's graphic solution?
12:15:20	Bagder	well, currently I haven't used f2 for anything ;-)
12:15:41	quel\|out	Bagder: i use it for the repeat and the shuffle mode :)
12:15:54	quel\|out	i shuffle playlists, but i don't like to shuffle dirs
12:16:14	Bagder	but...
12:16:18	dwihno	quel\|out: you've done a scandisk?
12:16:22	quel\|out	yups
12:16:23	Bagder	I intend to introduce a few "mappable keys"
12:16:30	quel\|out	hey, now i've found lost clusters
12:17:09	LinusN	probably from the failed recording you did earlier
12:18:44	dwihno	quel\|out: check if it's back to normal now
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12:28:16	dwihno	Which gcc is better for production use? 2.97? 3.2?
12:32:36	quel\|out	time to go!
12:32:43	quel\|out	cu this afternoon! if i can
12:33:50	dwihno	byebye
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13:33:22	Zagor	langhaarrocker: are you here?
13:34:31	langhaarrocker	yes
13:34:44	langhaarrocker	(lunch is over)
13:36:16	Zagor	about your glitch bug, does it appear in all non-archos players? winamp too?
13:36:34	langhaarrocker	? I have no glitch bug.
13:36:45	Zagor	(checking log)
13:37:08	langhaarrocker	There's only mp3directCut complaining there were "Sync errors"
13:37:12	Zagor	right
13:37:25	Zagor	ok, never mind then :-)
13:37:30	langhaarrocker	:)
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13:48:09	Schnueff	would it make sense to put the unzipped open-office manual in the cvs somewhere?
13:49:05	Schnueff	i.e. someone already tested if patching and zipping works well?
13:49:22	langhaarrocker	I'd prefer it zipped
13:49:33	Zagor	nope, haven't tested. your comment about the whole thing being 2 lines wasn't very encouraging :-)
13:49:37	langhaarrocker	oh, in cvs. Should read befor I write.
13:49:51	Schnueff	Zagor: yes, but tidy -xml -utf8 converts this to many lines
13:50:17	Schnueff	one should imagine, that open-office doesnt care if its one or many lines
13:50:26	Schnueff	(paying attention on white-spaces?)
13:50:36	Zagor	i agree
13:50:46	Zagor	but I think we can wait a bit with that
13:50:49	Schnueff	k
13:51:34	Zagor	at least we need to make help scripts to easily merge a new content.xml into an existing sxw file, and possibly also diff two sxw files
13:52:02	Schnueff	yes, at least
13:52:18	Zagor	maybe these things exist already
13:52:28	Schnueff	i'll have a look somewhere
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14:12:29	piano_magic	hi
14:12:41	Zagor	hi
14:12:47	piano_magic	i have the jukebox recorder 20 go
14:13:03	piano_magic	it seems not to be possible to record songs
14:13:21	Zagor	not with 1.4, no. use the daily build.
14:13:34	dwihno	Or wait for 2.0 :)
14:13:45	dwihno	2.0 is not far away
14:13:50	piano_magic	when will it be released ?
14:13:55	#>>	"explain 2.0" by dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se)
14:14:08	Zagor	piano_magic: any day now
14:14:29	piano_magic	ok thanks ...
14:14:30	dwihno	Zagor: The second 2.0 is released, IVL will be checked in :-)
14:14:40	Zagor	dwihno: is it optional?
14:14:55	dwihno	Zagor: of course! I've perfected the patch, thanks to Linus
14:15:03	Zagor	sounds good
14:15:04	dwihno	I owe him starka s�sen
14:16:03	langhaarrocker	I've got jelley beans with pepperony taste here. Is that a substitute?
14:16:05	piano_magic	i should be available soon so ... thanks for yr work , rockbox is great !!
14:16:23	Zagor	piano_magic: thank you
14:17:19	piano_magic	i go and see for daily updates ...
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14:19:59	Bagder	rehi
14:20:03	Schnueff	wb
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14:20:23	langhaarrocker	Bagders's back!
14:21:45	Schnueff	heh, sxw2html - convert sxw to html
14:21:55	Schnueff	a 43-line bash script making extensive use of sed :)
14:22:19	Bagder	http://storebror.haxx.se/NEWKEYS
14:24:08	Zagor	CSWM :)
14:24:18	*	Bagder grins
14:24:46	Zagor	what is F1 in menu? "Go to MENU" ???
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14:25:19	Bagder	oops
14:25:22	langhaarrocker	Is there anybody willing to share the burden of user assignable keys with me?
14:25:25	Zagor	and why have the pitch screen as a key in the menu?
14:26:00	Bagder	gone now
14:26:07	Zagor	:)
14:26:10	Zagor	looks good
14:26:33	Bagder	langhaarrocker: as you can see in my suggestion here, I do suggest a very much simplified version of that concept
14:26:41	Zagor	i think I'd like to have shuffle and repeat quickly togglable, though. are you planning on making those as user-configables on ON+X ?
14:26:53	Bagder	yes
14:27:16	Bagder	I'm not really sure of the keylock in wps either, it it'll be comfortable like this
14:27:21	Zagor	maybe have the f2 screen configurable instead, to avoid dual-handed operation?
14:27:37		Quit ken0 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
14:27:42	Bagder	well, f2 is only one key
14:27:54	Zagor	yes, but it can bring up a screen or menu
14:28:00	Zagor	like today
14:28:40	Bagder	you mean a custom menu?
14:28:50	dwihno	I think the current layout is good :)
14:28:52	Zagor	yes, or a custom quickscreen :)
14:28:57	langhaarrocker	I still don't like the right button to start playback of songs.
14:29:19	langhaarrocker	(on recorders)
14:29:20	Bagder	langhaarrocker: only for moving in the tree then?
14:29:24	langhaarrocker	yes
14:29:40	Bagder	I could buy that
14:29:53	Bagder	Zagor: but I've used f2 in the wps already ;-)
14:31:38	Zagor	the pitch screen is not very important, imho. it can even be a meny entry.
14:31:39	langhaarrocker	I'd prefer the left button in menus not to exit the menu.
14:31:57	Zagor	langhaarrocker: any menu or just the top level?
14:32:22	langhaarrocker	any menu. There's a off key for exiting
14:32:32	Bagder	I like left for that
14:32:50	Zagor	moving from level 3 to level 2 is not what I'd call exiting
14:32:51	langhaarrocker	It's often that I press and hold the left key to get back to the root and - oops I left the menu
14:33:32	Zagor	ok, so you do mean just the top level
14:33:40	langhaarrocker	level3 -> leve2 with left is perfect. But it shouldn't quit the root menu.
14:33:55	langhaarrocker	Zagor: yes
14:33:58	Zagor	I can agree with that.
14:34:17	Bagder	ok
14:34:20	Bagder	changing
14:34:32	Zagor	today it can easy happen that you press left once in the wps by accident
14:34:47	Bagder	true
14:34:57	Bagder	one could possibly imagine f1 to exit the menu
14:35:34	langhaarrocker	that's ok with me.
14:35:39	Zagor	yes. f1 or off, I think
14:35:46	Zagor	off is a good "general exit" button
14:36:07	Bagder	ok, I set f1 the same as OFF for now then
14:36:45	Zagor	while we're just discussing, OFF and F1 should exit the menu from any level
14:37:00	langhaarrocker	good
14:37:05	Bagder	true
14:37:15	Bagder	but
14:37:25	Bagder	you press OFF out from some settings screens, don't you?
14:37:34	Bagder	like cancel
14:37:45	Zagor	yes, you can do that
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14:38:08	Bagder	well, ok, it doesn't really contradicts this
14:38:32	*	Zagor is running "make VERSION=2.0"
14:38:42	Bagder	w000
14:39:16	Mode	"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
14:39:34	Schnueff	time for a new topic?
14:39:57	Topic	"We are so much 2.0" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
14:40:03	dwihno	:-D
14:40:05	dwihno	Yay!
14:40:14	Bagder	starting a bit careful ;-)
14:40:20	dwihno	drumrolls
14:40:23	langhaarrocker	time to change logbot explain 2.0 ? :)
14:40:41	Zagor	it's not released yet ;)
14:40:56	Bagder	we PREPARE ourselves ;-)
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14:41:28	langhaarrocker	Can you remember the last time in the good old days when you had an official verision of rockbox on your machine?
14:41:52	dwihno	I never did
14:42:05	Bagder	me neither
14:42:27	Zagor	hehe
14:42:45	langhaarrocker	So why do we bother with 2.0 then?
14:42:55	Bagder	for the crowds
14:42:57	Zagor	Bagder: the credits scroll should not clear the screen before starting to scroll.
14:42:58	dwihno	yeah
14:43:15	Bagder	Zagor: ?
14:43:22	Bagder	it scrolls all the time
14:43:36	Bagder	doesn't it?
14:43:40	Zagor	it would look very cool if the logo scrolled up while the text comes in underneath
14:43:46	Bagder	ah
14:43:58	Bagder	but it doesn't scroll the screen that way
14:44:04	Bagder	so it would take quite a hack to add
14:44:13	Zagor	yeah. but it would look cool :-)
14:44:18	Bagder	it would
14:44:25	Bagder	I've wanted to make a bouncing Rockbox-logo
14:44:34	Bagder	just hang on, it'll come ;-)
14:44:36	langhaarrocker	Does that use hardware scrolling?
14:44:55	Bagder	the credits? nope
14:46:53	langhaarrocker	ot: has anybody of you experience in Extreme Programming? Programming in pairs?
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14:47:12	Zagor	no
14:47:18	Bagder	not strictly, no
14:47:22	Zagor	we always program in crowds :-)
14:47:28	langhaarrocker	:)
14:48:48	langhaarrocker	I am a Kraut. :)
14:49:32	Bagder	I'm gonna give away my ~35 old issues of Linux Journal, anyone know a person nearby who'd want them?
14:50:32	Bagder	hm
14:51:26	>>>	"pass" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
14:51:50	matsl	Bagder: how about the recycle bin?
14:51:59	Bagder	it wants it badly
14:52:14	>>>	"say Please give me all your Linux Journals!" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:52:16	Bagder	but if there would be a human version, it could serve a better purpose
14:52:28	>>>	"cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:52:46	>>>	"say Please give me all your Linux Journals!" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:53:00	matsl	if you recycled it you would be sure it came to some use anyway ;-)
14:53:14	>>>	"explain langhaarrocker" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:53:29	Bagder	very true ;-)
14:53:35	>>>	"PASS" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
14:53:46	dwihno	I need a tip from you guys
14:53:59	dwihno	I got a comma separated file
14:54:04	Bagder	Zagor: you run purify on siemens?
14:54:05	dwihno	how should I read the entries?
14:54:15	dwihno	strtok?
14:54:20	Bagder	in rockbox?
14:54:24	Zagor	Bagder: no
14:54:40	dwihno	Bagder: nah, more generic coding :-)
14:54:41	Bagder	Zagor: darn ;-)
14:54:52	Bagder	dwihno: yes, then strtok() is a fine option
14:55:05	>>>	"help" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:55:33	>>>	"say Bagder, pleas give me all your Linux Journals" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:56:04	>>>	"rules" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:57:20	>>>	"help pass" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:57:36	dwihno	I don't get the strtok syntax.
14:57:51	>>>	"pass" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
14:58:10	Bagder	firstpart=strtok(fullstring, ",");
14:58:10	>>>	"say Bagder, please give me all your Linux Journals" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:58:19	Bagder	nextpart=strtok(NULL, ",");
14:58:21	dwihno	ah
14:58:23	dwihno	that's why
14:58:32	*	dwihno gets all recursive and bongo
14:58:44	*	dwihno brings the bongos! Let's have a bongo-devcon! :D
14:59:13	dwihno	and when there are no more tokens, it returns null?
14:59:18	>>>	"show langhaarrocker" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:59:25	>>>	"show" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:59:30	>>>	"cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:59:38	>>>	"help say" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14:59:39	Bagder	yes
14:59:55	Bagder	also take notice that it modifies the original string
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15:00:17	>>>	"pass" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
15:00:24	>>>	"pass" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
15:00:31	>>>	"cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15:00:49	>>>	"level" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15:01:14	>>>	"seen" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
15:01:35	dwihno	damn
15:01:42	dwihno	:-)
15:01:55	>>>	"seen" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
15:01:58	dwihno	I don't really care.
15:02:04	>>>	"seen" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
15:02:05	dwihno	It's just a temp buf
15:02:09	>>>	"seen" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
15:02:21	>>>	"show LinusN" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15:02:38	>>>	"syntax pass" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15:02:45	>>>	"tellme" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15:02:56	>>>	"wholeft" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15:02:58	Zagor	should we include all fonts in the zip, or just a few?
15:03:17	Bagder	you have size concerns?
15:03:22	Zagor	not really
15:03:47	Bagder	then include them all, it's fun!
15:03:59	Zagor	ok
15:04:14	Zagor	I wish we had som more wps files to include
15:04:21	Bagder	yeah
15:04:27	Bagder	next release
15:04:57	Zagor	yup. will you have time to hack up a wps "forum" for the web page, maybe?
15:05:32	Bagder	yes, I'll do that
15:08:12	>>>	"logbot say Bagder, please give me all your Linux Journals" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15:10:20	>>>	"cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
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15:21:10	langhaarrocker	With a rating system?
15:21:17	Zagor	why not
15:21:23	langhaarrocker	"wps of the month"
15:21:27	Zagor	hehe
15:24:48	dwihno	They could win a T-shirt
15:24:52	dwihno	What about those btw? :) :) :)
15:25:04	dwihno	It has only been like ... half a year :)
15:25:11	Bagder	even more
15:25:58	Zagor	every project needs a mirage ;)
15:26:46	langhaarrocker	yes. jet fighters are very popular recently
15:26:55	Zagor	haha
15:31:35	dwihno	atol! :D I got it!
15:31:41	*	dwihno fiddles
15:31:54	*	dwihno is writing a foamy utility
15:32:37	Zagor	foamy?
15:32:46	dwihno	skum :)
15:32:57	dwihno	Hm
15:33:33	dwihno	you got a smart way to convert string data such as f00f00 into an int?
15:33:38	dwihno	atol won't do that, I presume
15:33:43	Bagder	strtol
15:34:14	Bagder	value=strtol(string, &endptr, 16);
15:34:24	dwihno	it's ansi?
15:34:26	Bagder	if that is hex
15:34:38	Bagder	ansi, iso, bsd
15:34:59	Bagder	hm
15:35:05	Bagder	or something
15:35:19	Bagder	you can be pretty sure it exists on your platform of choice
15:35:37	dwihno	16 is the base?
15:35:40	Bagder	yes
15:36:14	dwihno	:-D
15:38:38	dwihno	Heh, it works for the first data entry and the second fails
15:38:55	dwihno	B993B92F
15:38:55	dwihno	7fffffff
15:38:59	dwihno	first = ok, second = failed
15:39:04	dwihno	they are supposed to be equal
15:39:33	Bagder	?
15:42:24	dwihno	25E3FC9A
15:42:25	dwihno	25e3fc9a
15:42:29	dwihno	That's the first, which looks good
15:42:34	dwihno	B993B92F
15:42:34	dwihno	7fffffff
15:42:37	dwihno	second == bad :)
15:51:26	Bagder	is the archos good enough to hold in your hand when running?
15:51:44	Zagor	barely
15:58:19	Zagor	Bagder: you can change the topic now
15:58:51	Topic	"Rockbox 2.0 - http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
15:59:18	Bagder	I'd suggest you tell the size of the download file on the page
15:59:26	Bagder	files
15:59:30	Zagor	good idea
15:59:39	Bagder	possibly md5sums, for the paranoids
15:59:58	Zagor	nah, no paranoids in our audience :-)
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16:00:02	dwihno	Okay, let's check in IVL :-)
16:00:10	Zagor	dwihno: go ahead
16:00:27	dwihno	Oh Linus, where art thou? :)
16:00:30	dwihno	hm
16:01:01	langhaarrocker	Yes! I want to see red builds again!
16:01:18	Bagder	there's one already :-)
16:01:42	langhaarrocker	Does that mean that Zagor released a buggy 2.0?
16:01:42	Zagor	yup
16:01:57	Zagor	not buggy per se, but the debug code is too large on the fm recorder
16:02:31	dwihno	Can I mail the patch to someone with cvs access?
16:02:47	Zagor	dwihno: why not just submit it to the tracker?
16:03:23	dwihno	Zagor: It's too impersonal
16:03:36	Zagor	:)
16:03:55	dwihno	I prefer the mailing!
16:03:58	dwihno	And the IRC
16:04:02	dwihno	:-)
16:04:19	dwihno	I would DCC you the patch, if your fishy firewall/tunnel wasn't too fishy
16:06:06	langhaarrocker	What would be necessary for a version to earn the Name V3.0?
16:06:18	Zagor	dwihno: the tracker is probably the quickest way. also, you get street as a developer ;)
16:06:44	Zagor	langhaarrocker: i was actually just thinking about if maybe the plugin loader will qualify as a major update
16:07:06	dwihno	Zagor: I'm top secret developer! Don't forget that!
16:07:09	dwihno	hush :-)
16:07:51	langhaarrocker	dwihno: Then it's you who has the mas specs! When will the *.wav recording be ready?
16:08:45	*	dwihno is THE undercover Archos agent
16:08:47	dwihno	:-)
16:09:06	langhaarrocker	The UAA?
16:09:32	langhaarrocker	(tm)
16:09:54	dwihno	indeed
16:09:59	dwihno	but it's secret, so, hush :)
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16:11:41	langhaarrocker	Now someone should write a pdf reader for the manual.
16:16:11	Bagder	you don't need our permission, just go ahead ;-)
16:17:30	langhaarrocker	May I code other things first?
16:17:32	dwihno	a port of xpdf :)
16:19:33	Bagder	langhaarrocker: hm, ok then
16:19:53	>>>	"explain 2.0" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16:19:56	>>>	"pass" used by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented]
16:19:57		Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
16:20:00	>>>	"expdel 2.0" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16:20:12	elinenbe	wow! 2.0 is out!
16:20:12	*	langhaarrocker jumps up and down in joy
16:20:19	langhaarrocker	Thank you, Bagder!
16:20:30	>>>	"expadd 2.0=Released on April 15th 2003. LOTS of new stuff. Download from here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16:20:41	#>>	"explain 2.0 now" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16:20:54	#>>	"explain 2.1" by dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se)
16:20:57	dwihno	:-(
16:20:59	dwihno	;)
16:21:07	>>>	"explain *" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16:21:26	>>>	"cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:21:41	>>>	"level 10" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:22:04	>>>	"wholeft" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:22:15	>>>	"uptime" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:22:17	>>>	"expadd dwihno=The Secret Swedish Undercover Rockbox Hacker. Speaks of kebabs non-stop." by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16:22:37	>>>	"explain langhaarrocker" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16:23:07	>>>	"explain dwihno" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:23:35	>>>	"explain nibbler" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:23:43	>>>	"explain hes" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:23:54	>>>	"explain adam" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:24:03	>>>	"explain schnueff" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:24:18	>>>	"explain matsl" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:24:20	Bagder	ugh, the new apple laptops have 17" screens
16:24:25	dwihno	whoa
16:24:33	dwihno	And I thought my 15.1" was big ... :)
16:25:02	dwihno	printf("%02x\n", strtol(glogg, &glogg+7, 16));
16:25:12	Bagder	noo
16:25:14	dwihno	That is correct, right?
16:25:25	Bagder	that + 7 is not right
16:25:44	dwihno	sure it is
16:25:51	dwihno	&glogg[7]?
16:26:04	Bagder	no, that's supposed to be a pointer to a char pointer where it stores the end of the number
16:26:16	dwihno	the end of the number?
16:26:20	Bagder	so just &glogg would prolly be fine
16:26:29	>>>	"explain LinusN" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:26:33	Bagder	yes, where it stopped parsing
16:26:43	dwihno	mkay
16:27:10	dwihno	but I still get that dumb error.
16:27:22	langhaarrocker	strtol? whas that a typo for strtok?
16:27:38	Zagor	string to long
16:27:59	*	langhaarrocker smells a missunderstanding of bagder and dwihno
16:28:25	langhaarrocker	strtol with 3 params?
16:28:37	Bagder	const char nptr, char *endptr, int base
16:28:52	dwihno	does it handle unsigned values?
16:29:00	*	langhaarrocker shuts up
16:29:01	Bagder	strtoul()
16:29:20	Bagder	that's probably what you want
16:29:43	elinenbe	who is going to make the first post 2.0 commit?
16:29:43	dwihno	aaaaaah :)
16:29:51	*	dwihno would, if I could ;)
16:30:14	>>>	"explain elinenbe" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:30:14	dwihno	Bagder: problem solved ... :)
16:30:20	Bagder	goodie
16:30:36	dwihno	Thanks a bunch :)
16:30:42	*	elinenbe favorite font is atadore!
16:30:49	dwihno	it's rather pretty
16:32:43	*	elinenbe is checking out what came in the 2.0 archive!
16:34:11	>>>	"exit" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16:37:38	elinenbe	hm.... I htink some .cfg files should have been put into the package.
16:42:45	Zagor	yeah, for 2.1 we should have both a sample of .cfg files and .wps files
16:44:06	matsl	gee what do I see. 2.0 released???
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16:44:24	dwihno	Nah, you're probably drunk mats ;)
16:44:30	langhaarrocker	matsl: no, thats only a late april fool
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16:44:45	Quelsaruk	re-hi
16:44:47	Quelsaruk	:)
16:44:49	dwihno	Re-hi, quel
16:44:53	langhaarrocker	oy
16:45:07	matsl	sigh. I was hoping I could do away with all my post-2.0-workareas.
16:45:23	hardeep	2.0... woo
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16:48:03	dwihno	Yay!
16:48:06	dwihno	Let's celebrate!
16:49:12	langhaarrocker	http://www.x-phobie.de/wein.jpg
16:50:27	dwihno	:D
16:50:28	Quelsaruk	i'd better drink a beer ;)
16:52:27	dwihno	cerveza grande
16:52:40	*	langhaarrocker is teetotal
16:52:59	Quelsaruk	dwihno: we have to talk about business :)
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17:11:39	langhaarrocker	cu
17:11:48	Quelsaruk	cu!
17:11:51	matsl	cu
17:11:54	Quelsaruk	have a nice weekend
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17:12:08	Quelsaruk	:)
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17:14:40	Zagor	i'm off too
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17:22:14	The_Supernerd	hi badger
17:22:44	The_Supernerd	bagder. wrong spelling
17:23:00	The_Supernerd	where is linusn
17:24:13	The_Supernerd	anyone?
17:26:29	Bagder	what wrong spelling?
17:26:36	Bagder	ah, my nick
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17:26:56	*	Bagder was out running
17:27:25	The_Supernerd	oh
17:27:56	The_Supernerd	hey bagder could you tell linus i fixed my jukebox... it was a rockbox problem.
17:28:07	The_Supernerd	he'll know what i mean
17:28:20	Bagder	ok
17:28:47	The_Supernerd	ill be back later, is he expected?
17:28:53	Bagder	I dunno
17:28:58	Bagder	he comes and goes ;-)
17:29:04	The_Supernerd	ah. Maybe i could tell you this.
17:29:40	The_Supernerd	i havent had my archos working right for the last few weeks. It was slow, wouldnt turn on half the time, and annoying.
17:29:53	The_Supernerd	notice i say "was"
17:30:49	The_Supernerd	i deleted rockbox yesterday, as an experiment. I went 24 hours with plain firmware.
17:31:14	The_Supernerd	after i reinstralled rockbox, it ran perfect again.. no startup problems, or speed.
17:31:19	Bagder	heh
17:31:26	Bagder	weirdness
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17:32:25	The_Supernerd	i think running regular archos cleaned out crap from somewhere.
17:32:56	The_Supernerd	are there any issues that may leave debris (junk) laying around that slows things down?
17:32:57	Quelsaruk	haven't you sacrified a goat??
17:33:17	The_Supernerd	um, yeah, so??
17:33:32	#>>	"explain Quelsaruk" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
17:33:48	The_Supernerd	oh, ok.
17:34:06	Quelsaruk	;)
17:34:32	Quelsaruk	if cience can't explain something... maybe a goat can explain it :)
17:34:38	The_Supernerd	well, i noticed that deleting rockbox, running regular firmware, and reinstalling fixed my issues. Do you think it may have reset something?
17:34:59	The_Supernerd	if so, it made the biggest difference ive ever seen.
17:35:28	Bagder	it sure sounds as if it did
17:35:49	The_Supernerd	it ran at "Power saver" speed for a long time in regular mode. MAybe thats a good suggestion for newbies.
17:36:35	The_Supernerd	well, linusn said it was either harddrive or battery. That resetting info may be signifficant info, just thought i'd pass it on.
17:38:35	The_Supernerd	ex: DirecTV: Unplug for 5 minutes and plug back in... Computers: CTRL-ALT-Del and reset, Rockbox: delete rockbox, start it up, turn back off, reinstall.
17:39:33	The_Supernerd	that was a great conclusion to my day without rockbox yesterday (a voyage i went on.. it sucked)
17:39:55	The_Supernerd	ill be here at about 4:00 later, hope to see you and linusn, peace out.
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17:43:18	Quelsaruk	umm
17:43:49	Quelsaruk	why do you have to delete rockbox? i mean if that really helps, Roloing archos firmware should also work no?
17:44:56	Bagder	good point
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18:03:17	ruxxell	alright so i have a question, uhm.
18:03:23	Bagder	shoot
18:03:33	ruxxell	is there something inside the archos that makes it stop outputting audio if it shakes too much?
18:03:57	Bagder	well, the harddrive starts to fail reading
18:03:58	ruxxell	like, i was just out walking, and this has happened before, the music just stops, and when i check out the screen, the time is still counting down with rockbox
18:04:05	ruxxell	but i have to shut it off and restart
18:04:23	ruxxell	yeah, thats what i figured. just wanted to make sure it wsnt a software thing that i could set somewhere
18:04:27	Bagder	well, it should get sane again when you stop shaking it
18:05:42	langhaarrocker	Hi, first time I try to connect the jb to a linux machine. Kernel has scsi and isd200 support but mount fails: "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device"
18:06:19	langhaarrocker	ruxxell: it doesn't recover all times. That's called red led death and is a known problems
18:06:24	Bagder	langhaarrocker: do "cat /proc/scsi/scsi"
18:07:10	langhaarrocker	Attached devices:
18:07:10	langhaarrocker	Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
18:07:10	langhaarrocker	Vendor: IDE-CD Model: R/RW 8x4x32 Rev: C1.3
18:07:11	DBUG	Enqueued KICK langhaarrocker
18:07:11	langhaarrocker	Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
18:07:33	ruxxell	awesome, thanks
18:08:47	Bagder	langhaarrocker: do you have a /proc/bus/usb dir?
18:08:56	langhaarrocker	no
18:09:05	langhaarrocker	how do I get it?
18:09:35	Bagder	you need to have usbdevfs support in the kernel
18:09:44	Bagder	which you might already of course
18:09:50	Bagder	check /proc/filesystems
18:12:01	Bagder	btw, the recorder doesn't use the isd200 driver
18:13:12	langhaarrocker	? It's a recorder6, not the recorder 20 -> it has the isd200 chip, or am I nuts?
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18:13:54	Bagder	oh
18:13:58	Bagder	I don't know actually
18:16:05	langhaarrocker	proc/filesystems contains usbdevfs
18:16:34	langhaarrocker	tried to mount with mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb
18:17:34	langhaarrocker	now we have proc/bus/usb still mounting the drive mourns
18:18:03	Bagder	/proc/scsi/scsi should show your archos disk
18:18:38	Bagder	what usb drivers do you use?
18:19:10	Bagder	there are uhci and ohci, I can't recall which is the one to use with isd200
18:19:44	langhaarrocker	never heared about that. How do I find out?
18:20:02	Bagder	lsmod perhaps
18:20:57	langhaarrocker	lsmod doesn't list neither. Only usbcore.
18:22:17	Bagder	it can also be built-in, so its not definite
18:24:16	Bagder	try 'insmod uhci' (as root)
18:26:33	langhaarrocker	uhci seems to have worked but
18:27:21	langhaarrocker	when I connect the archos to usb syslog says: usb device x is not claimed by any active driver
18:27:34	langhaarrocker	still nothing mountable
18:27:44	Bagder	then you prolly need to load the isd200 driver too
18:28:29	Bagder	it is located here /lib/modules/[fill in your version]/kernel/drivers/usb/
18:28:36	Bagder	I gotta go
18:28:44	Bagder	fetch laundry and make food and so
18:28:53	langhaarrocker	thx and cu
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18:34:21	langhaarrocker	got it working. yippieehh!!
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18:40:02	REBEL	hey
18:42:10	REBEL	is there anything special in rockbox2? seeing as how I update to the daily build every few days so my lastest version is only a few days old
18:42:21	TBoy	hoi
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19:33:41	b0mBadIEr337	i read that the recorder can turn text files into audio, is this true?
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20:00:58	jam1	hi everyone
20:01:23	webmind	hihi
20:02:04	jam1	i have a question about that nice april 1st joke
20:03:10	jam1	if anyone of you can answer my question i will be very happy
20:03:18	webmind	just ask :)
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20:03:41	TBoy	hoi
20:04:02	TBoy	all of the dailybuilds from today are based on ver. 2.0
20:04:04	jam1	well i put that version on my recorder 20 but i think i did something stupid
20:04:06	TBoy	right?
20:04:48	jam1	but i put that on the startup menu and now everytime i open it it just locks up
20:05:03	jam1	and says april 1st you loose
20:05:41	jam1	as i cant open my jukebox i cant connect it to my computer and delete it
20:06:51	jam1	my question is if there is any kind of way i can connect it to the computer
20:07:27	jam1	because i dont really wanna format it and loose everything in it
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21:06:32	DJBaz	hi
21:06:53	DJBaz	i just got a new hard drive for ma comp and reinstalled xp, now i cant access folders on my jukebox
21:07:12	DJBaz	i get the error 'f:\folder is not accessible'
21:07:25	DJBaz	'The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable
21:07:44	DJBaz	any ideas?
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21:09:24	DJBaz	?
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22:21:14	OnoSendai	hello all : )
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22:26:39	OnoSendai	does 1.56v sound about right for line level on the recorder ?
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22:35:59	TBoy	hoi didiloi
22:40:10	OnoSendai	: )
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22:51:55	TBoy	ehm, are all of the dailybuilds from today based on ver. 2.0
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