| 00:00:06 | midknight2k3 | It'd be hard I imagine |
| 00:00:16 | midknight2k3 | and you'd rish killing your archos |
| 00:00:20 | midknight2k3 | Big time |
| 00:00:23 | PlymWS | got a replacement screen from ebay, just wondered if anyone else has attempted it |
| 00:00:34 | tracktheripper | its sending |
| 00:00:47 | midknight2k3 | you got a replacement already? |
| 00:01:03 | PlymWS | yeah |
| 00:01:12 | midknight2k3 | how much $$? |
| 00:01:33 | tracktheripper | midknight email is sent |
| 00:01:34 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 00:01:38 | midknight2k3 | yep |
| 00:01:40 | midknight2k3 | jjty? |
| 00:01:45 | tracktheripper | did u get it? |
| 00:01:45 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 00:01:50 | midknight2k3 | must have |
| 00:01:56 | PlymWS | about $ 80 |
| 00:02:02 | midknight2k3 | wow |
| 00:02:06 | midknight2k3 | I'd just give it a go then |
| 00:02:35 | PlymWS | you know how theyre attatched to the jukebox ? polymer strip / ribbon ?? |
| 00:02:44 | midknight2k3 | no idea |
| 00:02:47 | tracktheripper | midknight did u get my 2 pics? |
| 00:02:51 | PlymWS | k |
| 00:02:58 | midknight2k3 | i think the polymer strip idea is the best way to sum it up |
| 00:03:02 | midknight2k3 | yep |
| 00:03:04 | midknight2k3 | downloading |
| 00:03:06 | midknight2k3 | downloaded |
| 00:03:20 | tracktheripper | its 2 JPEGs in a ZIP file |
| 00:03:24 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 00:03:30 | PlymWS | hope so, coz theyre not as bad as ribbons :) |
| 00:03:45 | midknight2k3 | it's your archos! |
| 00:04:00 | midknight2k3 | where is ht eding? |
| 00:04:03 | tracktheripper | lol sorry the pic is blurred slightly |
| 00:04:06 | midknight2k3 | where is the ding? |
| 00:04:11 | midknight2k3 | which side? |
| 00:04:21 | tracktheripper | on the underside edge |
| 00:04:25 | tracktheripper | did u get my other pic (of me)? |
| 00:04:31 | LinusN | PlymWS: the fm recorder has a strip, so maybe the MM has that too |
| 00:04:40 | midknight2k3 | ii think |
| 00:04:51 | tracktheripper | you must have |
| 00:04:56 | midknight2k3 | yes I did |
| 00:04:59 | tracktheripper | its in the ZIP file with the Archos pic |
| 00:05:39 | midknight2k3 | You and yyour archos.... |
| 00:05:44 | midknight2k3 | how touching :) |
| 00:06:10 | tracktheripper | lol can u see me? |
| 00:06:16 | midknight2k3 | peachy smintys are so good |
| 00:06:25 | midknight2k3 | what do you mean ues |
| 00:06:59 | tracktheripper | midknight im wearing a bright yellow jacket in the pic :-) |
| 00:06:59 | PlymWS | hmmm. ill let you know on wed when i open mine up :) |
| 00:07:17 | midknight2k3 | RELLY? |
| 00:08:02 | midknight2k3 | take pictures! |
| 00:08:08 | midknight2k3 | good luck plymws |
| 00:08:27 | PlymWS | hehe. thx |
| 00:08:49 | midknight2k3 | seeya |
| 00:08:56 | midknight2k3 | if you're leaving lol |
| 00:08:59 | PlymWS | if i get any success ill post a DIY "how to" and let you know the addy |
| 00:09:02 | midknight2k3 | where did that come from |
| 00:09:04 | midknight2k3 | cool |
| 00:09:09 | midknight2k3 | it'll be neat to see |
| 00:09:11 | midknight2k3 | Hey wait |
| 00:09:19 | midknight2k3 | what if you screw over your archos? |
| 00:09:26 | PlymWS | if i all goes FUBAR ill let you know what NOT to do :) |
| 00:09:37 | midknight2k3 | What will you do with archos? |
| 00:09:41 | PlymWS | flog it on ebay as spares or repair |
| 00:09:48 | midknight2k3 | naw! |
| 00:09:50 | midknight2k3 | break it! |
| 00:10:13 | PlymWS | break it ?? ill try not to but..... |
| 00:10:34 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 00:10:42 | midknight2k3 | if you mess up the archos then do this: |
| 00:10:54 | midknight2k3 | proceed to throw it out the window at some concrete and film it |
| 00:10:56 | PlymWS | k... |
| 00:11:17 | PlymWS | hehehe. very rock 'n' roll :) |
| 00:11:28 | midknight2k3 | yep |
| 00:11:32 | midknight2k3 | want an example? |
| 00:11:44 | PlymWS | take it youve done this :) |
| 00:11:47 | midknight2k3 | nope |
| 00:11:50 | midknight2k3 | never mind |
| 00:11:55 | PlymWS | oh ic |
| 00:11:57 | midknight2k3 | I have no example currently |
| 00:12:03 | midknight2k3 | but i would noramlly have about 20 |
| 00:13:51 | midknight2k3 | just let me know if it goes wrong |
| 00:14:02 | midknight2k3 | I sahll think up a better plan |
| 00:14:27 | PlymWS | will do :) |
| 00:14:37 | midknight2k3 | :(0) |
| 00:14:44 | midknight2k3 | (=:-) |
| 00:14:51 | midknight2k3 | ^ ^ |
| 00:14:54 | midknight2k3 | | |
| 00:14:58 | midknight2k3 | |____| |
| 00:15:00 | midknight2k3 | Glee! |
| 00:17:51 | tracktheripper | mid where u from? |
| 00:18:10 | midknight2k3 | arizona |
| 00:18:43 | midknight2k3 | I'm currently having trouble with the pc cam thing |
| 00:19:20 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 00:19:24 | tracktheripper | im in london |
| 00:19:32 | midknight2k3 | wow |
| 00:19:48 | midknight2k3 | there's archoses in london? |
| 00:19:51 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 00:19:52 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 00:20:00 | tracktheripper | Im consodering getting a MM |
| 00:20:08 | midknight2k3 | Well I dunno |
| 00:20:13 | midknight2k3 | For DVD rips, no way |
| 00:20:21 | midknight2k3 | Images and movies are ok tho |
| 00:20:26 | tracktheripper | its good for watching DVDs on the fly :-) |
| 00:20:49 | midknight2k3 | You planning on ripping dvds onto it? |
| 00:20:55 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 00:21:02 | tracktheripper | and getting the camera attachment |
| 00:21:03 | tracktheripper | ;-) |
| 00:21:22 | midknight2k3 | i dunno about dvd ripping with it |
| 00:21:49 | PsycoXul | i dunno about watching movies on that thing |
| 00:21:54 | PsycoXul | my pda's got a bigger screen and It's too small |
| 00:22:01 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 00:22:04 | midknight2k3 | the cassiopea? |
| 00:22:10 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 00:22:11 | PsycoXul | well any pda |
| 00:22:11 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:22:19 | midknight2k3 | i remember all too well |
| 00:22:27 | PsycoXul | pda-sized screen is about as small as i'd want to watch a movie on |
| 00:22:29 | midknight2k3 | ripper |
| 00:22:36 | PsycoXul | that jbmm screen is tiny |
| 00:22:48 | tracktheripper | but they rave about its quality :-) |
| 00:22:59 | midknight2k3 | http://www.epinions.com/content_91133808260 |
| 00:23:05 | midknight2k3 | read it all the way down |
| 00:23:08 | midknight2k3 | it's not that lon |
| 00:23:08 | midknight2k3 | g |
| 00:23:52 | tracktheripper | yea im reading it |
| 00:23:53 | tracktheripper | one sec |
| 00:23:54 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 00:25:29 | PsycoXul | why can't my pda have a battery like the fmrec/jbmm's have |
| 00:25:29 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:25:48 | PsycoXul | i don't think i even get the 4 hours it's rated for :/ |
| 00:25:54 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 00:26:02 | midknight2k3 | not long enough for a movie by any means |
| 00:26:19 | PsycoXul | huh? |
| 00:26:34 | midknight2k3 | yep |
| 00:26:39 | midknight2k3 | call me stupid |
| 00:26:41 | midknight2k3 | I'm rady |
| 00:26:45 | PsycoXul | nah |
| 00:26:48 | PsycoXul | busy reading |
| 00:26:55 | midknight2k3 | oh lol |
| 00:28:44 | PsycoXul | Some use obscure "hacker-oriented" apps like "Gordian Knot". NONE of them are all-in-one solutions, |
| 00:28:48 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:28:52 | PsycoXul | man this guy really doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 00:28:54 | *** | No seen item changed, no save performed. |
| 00:28:54 | midknight2k3 | What-ever |
| 00:28:55 | midknight2k3 | WHAT? |
| 00:28:58 | midknight2k3 | You kidding? |
| 00:29:05 | PsycoXul | gordian knot is far from "hacker-oriented" |
| 00:29:12 | PsycoXul | it's a frontend for fucks sake |
| 00:29:20 | midknight2k3 | here's the idea |
| 00:29:29 | midknight2k3 | there's hacker oriented or not. there's no 'far from' |
| 00:29:39 | | Quit PlymWS ("Leaving") |
| 00:29:40 | midknight2k3 | If it's at all related i'd say yes |
| 00:29:48 | PsycoXul | a GUI frontend to make it easier to use the tools to transcode video |
| 00:29:59 | PsycoXul | and be all-in-one at that |
| 00:30:22 | PsycoXul | nor is it obscure |
| 00:30:23 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:30:33 | PsycoXul | midknight2k3: reality isn't binary |
| 00:30:38 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 00:30:38 | PsycoXul | midknight2k3: there's endless shades of gray |
| 00:30:45 | midknight2k3 | CLAM DOWN |
| 00:30:45 | PsycoXul | anything can be 'far from' anything |
| 00:30:50 | midknight2k3 | sigh |
| 00:30:57 | midknight2k3 | sure okay whatver |
| 00:31:21 | PsycoXul | but really |
| 00:31:28 | PsycoXul | he bitches about the usb2 connector |
| 00:31:33 | midknight2k3 | hahah |
| 00:31:36 | midknight2k3 | And? |
| 00:31:42 | PsycoXul | apparently he doesn't realize that it's supposed to be modular |
| 00:31:45 | midknight2k3 | What's Mr Archos got to say on that? |
| 00:31:47 | PsycoXul | and you can get a firewire connector for it to |
| 00:31:49 | midknight2k3 | Aha! |
| 00:32:10 | midknight2k3 | really |
| 00:32:20 | midknight2k3 | Well he just has it fixed and threw it out |
| 00:32:26 | midknight2k3 | dont get me wrong |
| 00:32:34 | midknight2k3 | an archos mmjb would be really cool to have |
| 00:32:39 | midknight2k3 | his just didn't work out for him |
| 00:32:51 | PsycoXul | they probably only included a usb1 connector on it at all so there'd be something if you didn't get either the usb2 or firewire modules |
| 00:33:21 | tracktheripper | Does ANYONE have a MM here? |
| 00:33:29 | PsycoXul | and i find it comical how he feels safe dropping his ipod but not this |
| 00:33:34 | midknight2k3 | hahahahah |
| 00:33:39 | midknight2k3 | You find it comical? |
| 00:34:00 | midknight2k3 | what is that supposed to mean? |
| 00:34:13 | PsycoXul | that it's comedy |
| 00:34:21 | midknight2k3 | Okay think of it this way |
| 00:34:23 | PsycoXul | it's irony is funny |
| 00:34:24 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:34:40 | midknight2k3 | STUPID |
| 00:34:51 | midknight2k3 | any other issues with it? |
| 00:35:01 | PsycoXul | i'm not done reading yet |
| 00:35:42 | tracktheripper | im gonna get tea brb |
| 00:35:45 | PsycoXul | i seem to recall reading somewhere |
| 00:35:50 | PsycoXul | that it comes with a transcoding program |
| 00:36:04 | PsycoXul | to convert * to whatever mpeg4 format it likes |
| 00:36:15 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 00:36:17 | midknight2k3 | he mentioned |
| 00:36:24 | PsycoXul | and this guys ranting about finding this tool and that tool and choosing codecs and etc |
| 00:36:27 | midknight2k3 | you were too busy saying that he's comical to notice perhaps |
| 00:37:01 | PsycoXul | and anybody who can't find a method to get things working every time it's used |
| 00:37:02 | PsycoXul | is just an idiot |
| 00:37:13 | PsycoXul | "hope it work. most of the time, it doesn't" |
| 00:37:15 | midknight2k3 | hmmmm |
| 00:37:20 | midknight2k3 | While I could trust my ipod to take a substantial fall (and believe me, it has) |
| 00:37:29 | midknight2k3 | isn't saying the he likes dropping his ipod comically |
| 00:37:39 | PsycoXul | that just tells me he struggled and gave up |
| 00:37:48 | midknight2k3 | hmmm |
| 00:37:56 | PsycoXul | midknight2k3: no i find it comical that he feels safer dropping the ipod than the archos |
| 00:38:04 | midknight2k3 | the ipod is durable |
| 00:38:10 | PsycoXul | it's a piece of plastic |
| 00:38:16 | PsycoXul | it probably snaps together |
| 00:38:17 | midknight2k3 | the archos would seize up where the ipod would slide through |
| 00:38:52 | PsycoXul | you mean the music, from the bump? |
| 00:39:04 | midknight2k3 | no it would DIE |
| 00:39:04 | PsycoXul | the ipod's got a bigger buffer |
| 00:39:08 | midknight2k3 | yep |
| 00:39:14 | PsycoXul | die? |
| 00:39:24 | midknight2k3 | Like, stop working |
| 00:39:41 | PsycoXul | i dropped my studio20 from like 4 feet onto a tile floor while it was playing |
| 00:39:50 | PsycoXul | no damage |
| 00:39:54 | midknight2k3 | really |
| 00:39:58 | midknight2k3 | same with the ipod wow |
| 00:40:02 | PsycoXul | the music stopped a couple minutes later |
| 00:40:08 | midknight2k3 | :)) |
| 00:40:23 | PsycoXul | it didn't seem to wanna read from the HD again till after a restart |
| 00:40:29 | midknight2k3 | I know |
| 00:40:32 | midknight2k3 | They suck |
| 00:40:38 | midknight2k3 | Studio20? |
| 00:40:38 | PsycoXul | but it still worked |
| 00:40:40 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:40:44 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 00:40:54 | midknight2k3 | you're lucky |
| 00:41:02 | midknight2k3 | has your hard drive ever made grinding noises? |
| 00:41:10 | tracktheripper | hopefully they will bring out a 20Gb flash device |
| 00:41:13 | midknight2k3 | it freaked me OUT. |
| 00:41:13 | PsycoXul | no |
| 00:41:13 | tracktheripper | that is NOT expensive |
| 00:41:20 | midknight2k3 | what? |
| 00:41:31 | PsycoXul | tracktheripper: heh |
| 00:41:41 | PsycoXul | tracktheripper: maybe when spintronics are more established |
| 00:41:46 | tracktheripper | Why is flash memory so expensive? |
| 00:42:17 | midknight2k3 | OKAY WAIT |
| 00:42:21 | midknight2k3 | SHUT UP I SAY |
| 00:42:25 | midknight2k3 | LE TME THINK |
| 00:42:34 | tracktheripper | ok we are listening :-) |
| 00:42:43 | midknight2k3 | ripper have you recorded on the archos with rockbox firmware? |
| 00:43:01 | midknight2k3 | OUCH |
| 00:43:16 | midknight2k3 | stupid smints |
| 00:43:32 | PsycoXul | i have |
| 00:43:33 | tracktheripper | Midknight I use the Archos firmware to record |
| 00:43:45 | PsycoXul | i use rockbox to record |
| 00:43:47 | midknight2k3 | so you have a recorder psyco |
| 00:43:58 | tracktheripper | I have a Recorder |
| 00:44:00 | PsycoXul | yeah when my studio20 quit charging bestbuy gave me an fm rec |
| 00:44:12 | midknight2k3 | did you ever get a panic when recording? |
| 00:44:20 | midknight2k3 | it just happened to me |
| 00:44:20 | PsycoXul | nope |
| 00:44:21 | tracktheripper | no |
| 00:44:47 | midknight2k3 | *PANIC* |
| 00:44:52 | tracktheripper | The reason why I use Archos firmware to record is because 1) I choose where to store the file, 2) I can choose the filename and 3) I can enter the ID3 tags :-) |
| 00:44:53 | midknight2k3 | rec fls: -114 |
| 00:45:19 | PsycoXul | well |
| 00:45:22 | PsycoXul | rockbox lets you rename files |
| 00:45:32 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 00:45:35 | midknight2k3 | i like rockbox better |
| 00:45:38 | midknight2k3 | it does it auto |
| 00:45:40 | PsycoXul | there's a patch that lets you enter id3 and will make recordings go into . too i think |
| 00:45:43 | tracktheripper | but rockbox does not let u input ID3 tags |
| 00:45:48 | midknight2k3 | if you gotta record ina rchos then you have to chang ethe name and all |
| 00:46:05 | PsycoXul | yeah i like rockbox's quick recording |
| 00:46:07 | tracktheripper | i will NOT use Rockbox to record until you can add ID3 tags |
| 00:46:13 | midknight2k3 | archos=info first, record later, rockbox = record first, rename later |
| 00:46:15 | PsycoXul | just hit the button |
| 00:46:29 | tracktheripper | for me ID3 tags are very important |
| 00:46:29 | midknight2k3 | ow |
| 00:46:35 | LinusN | midknight2k3: when did you get the panic? |
| 00:46:36 | midknight2k3 | thisa hu8rt6s |
| 00:46:40 | PsycoXul | when i wanna record something i wanna record it, not fumble with naming and etc |
| 00:46:41 | PsycoXul | anyway |
| 00:46:46 | LinusN | tracktheripper: then edit the tags in the PC |
| 00:46:46 | midknight2k3 | um |
| 00:47:25 | PsycoXul | that review picks on a lot of stupid stuff |
| 00:47:30 | PsycoXul | i wouldn't get a jbmm either |
| 00:47:40 | PsycoXul | but for better reasons |
| 00:47:40 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:47:49 | tracktheripper | yes, but I do recordings on the fly and I need to know what's what with ease |
| 00:47:50 | tracktheripper | and the ID3 tags help me out greatly |
| 00:47:50 | | Join BoD[] [0] (BoD@ca-sqy-1-37.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 00:47:55 | BoD[] | hi!! |
| 00:48:02 | tracktheripper | hi BoD |
| 00:48:11 | tracktheripper | Im considering getting a MM |
| 00:48:31 | BoD[] | for what? |
| 00:49:06 | PsycoXul | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=697085&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 00:49:26 | tracktheripper | play MP3s, snap photos wiv the camera attachment, view DVDs on the fly, pose factor |
| 00:50:17 | BoD[] | you mean divx ;) |
| 00:50:24 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 00:50:26 | BoD[] | what is "pose factor" ? |
| 00:50:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 2 days and 6 hours at the last flood |
| 00:50:30 | * | PsycoXul wonders if that patch still applies cleanly |
| 00:50:57 | tracktheripper | show off with it |
| 00:51:00 | tracktheripper | look cool :-) |
| 00:51:02 | BoD[] | oh ok :) |
| 00:51:04 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:51:05 | tracktheripper | make ur friends jealous :-) |
| 00:51:15 | PsycoXul | one thing i don't doubt about that guy's review is that the camera attatchment probably sucks |
| 00:51:43 | PsycoXul | i doubt it's worse than a webcam though, but you'd probably be better off with one of them little mini 1.2MP cameras that're flooding the market for cheap lately |
| 00:51:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:51:51 | BoD[] | me if i buy something new, it'll probably not be from archos |
| 00:52:03 | BoD[] | you have to admit: they suck :) |
| 00:52:05 | tracktheripper | Psycho no-one complains about the crap cameras in mobile phones |
| 00:52:59 | BoD[] | but i have a great news |
| 00:53:27 | BoD[] | i found a screwdriver that matches these screws |
| 00:53:33 | BoD[] | and i opened my unit |
| 00:53:50 | PsycoXul | tracktheripper: well |
| 00:54:00 | PsycoXul | the pictures they show on TV from those don't look bad |
| 00:54:07 | PsycoXul | that doesn't necessarily mean anything of course |
| 00:54:09 | BoD[] | and I soldered it |
| 00:54:11 | PsycoXul | but then you know |
| 00:54:17 | PsycoXul | you don't buy a cell phone for it's camera |
| 00:54:22 | PsycoXul | the camera's just a bonus on that |
| 00:54:22 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:54:46 | tracktheripper | so the camera is just a bunus for the MM |
| 00:54:54 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:55:14 | PsycoXul | why not spend the same amount on a PDA with integrated WIFI |
| 00:55:21 | PsycoXul | and then setup a fast site with all your movies |
| 00:55:24 | BoD[] | did you notice the hard drive is not the heaviest part of the unit ?! |
| 00:55:26 | PsycoXul | and stream them |
| 00:55:29 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 00:56:13 | tracktheripper | dunno know what u would use a PDA for |
| 00:56:41 | PsycoXul | i just said |
| 00:56:53 | PsycoXul | streaming your movies over wifi |
| 00:56:53 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:57:02 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 00:57:03 | PsycoXul | really i mean a pocketpc |
| 00:57:08 | PsycoXul | but you know |
| 00:57:36 | PsycoXul | but pocketpc's aren't limited to any specific codec or video format or even encoding paramaters |
| 00:58:07 | PsycoXul | and they can have equalizers and audio effects and maybe video filters if it's a fast one etc |
| 00:58:15 | PsycoXul | and a bigger screen |
| 00:59:17 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:59:27 | PsycoXul | or if you can't do the wifi thing, maybe you can't get a fast enough site to store your movies or you can't get wireless access most places or whatever |
| 00:59:30 | BoD[] | you can play mame with it |
| 00:59:34 | PsycoXul | you could get one with USB host support |
| 00:59:44 | BoD[] | which is a great "pose factor" ;) |
| 00:59:48 | PsycoXul | my parents' just need a $20 or $30 cable to be a USB host |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:12 | PsycoXul | then plug your current archos into that and use it as a usb hd for it |
| 01:00:16 | PsycoXul | and play your movies off that |
| 01:00:17 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 01:00:44 | PsycoXul | though i dunno about the battery life |
| 01:00:52 | PsycoXul | mine's always run down pretty quick being used as a usb hd |
| 01:01:17 | PsycoXul | your best bet would be to wait a few years |
| 01:01:52 | PsycoXul | and get something that's a similar class of system as current desktop machines are |
| 01:02:35 | PsycoXul | but with a full-device screen, some GB's of spintronic-based memory, and fits in your pocket |
| 01:02:38 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:03:19 | PsycoXul | i decided as soon as i saw the JBMM that i'd wait for the 2nd or 3rd generation of it's class of devices before i'd want one |
| 01:03:37 | midknight2k3 | calm down lol |
| 01:03:47 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:03:50 | PsycoXul | what? |
| 01:03:55 | PsycoXul | i'm not freaking out or anything |
| 01:03:58 | PsycoXul | just voicing my opinions :p |
| 01:03:59 | midknight2k3 | That's like 10 lines |
| 01:04:01 | midknight2k3 | :) |
| 01:04:02 | BoD[] | the next generations will have all those drm shit though |
| 01:04:11 | PsycoXul | drm? |
| 01:04:18 | PsycoXul | oh digital rights management? |
| 01:04:18 | BoD[] | digital right management |
| 01:04:25 | PsycoXul | heh |
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| 01:04:40 | BoD[] | like you won't be allowed to copy everything you want |
| 01:04:42 | PsycoXul | well so does the recorders don't they? |
| 01:04:54 | BoD[] | ajbr ? |
| 01:04:57 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 01:05:06 | PsycoXul | and you use your PC to copy things anyway |
| 01:05:07 | BoD[] | no they have no such thing |
| 01:05:16 | LinusN | the HW supports DRM |
| 01:05:19 | PsycoXul | you can remove any copy protection before it ever goes to the device |
| 01:05:32 | PsycoXul | unless you wanna use it to record |
| 01:05:34 | BoD[] | but the iPod has some stuff |
| 01:05:44 | BoD[] | HW ? |
| 01:05:48 | PsycoXul | hardware i think |
| 01:05:49 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:05:54 | LinusN | it won't let you record a copyrighted S/PDIF stream |
| 01:05:56 | BoD[] | oh |
| 01:06:02 | BoD[] | really ?? |
| 01:06:06 | LinusN | the ajbr |
| 01:06:12 | BoD[] | man this sucks i didn't know that |
| 01:06:17 | PsycoXul | i read somewhere that the ajbrec's had that stuff and archos put in some secret key combo or something to disable it |
| 01:06:20 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:06:27 | tracktheripper | there is Psyco |
| 01:06:28 | PsycoXul | in their firmware |
| 01:06:29 | LinusN | but Rockbox doesn't care about the copyright S/PDIF status |
| 01:06:39 | tracktheripper | you need to be in the Archos firmware to activate the hack |
| 01:06:49 | LinusN | tracktheripper: or use rockbox |
| 01:06:50 | midknight2k3 | do you know how ripper? |
| 01:07:07 | PsycoXul | yeah i guess the firmware has to specifically support it for it to do it |
| 01:07:09 | tracktheripper | In the Archos firmware where you go to key in Album ID3 tag type in HFSCMSOFF |
| 01:07:12 | PsycoXul | and rockbox just ignores it |
| 01:07:20 | LinusN | PsycoXul: exactly |
| 01:07:21 | tracktheripper | you get a message that says "SCMS off" |
| 01:07:25 | BoD[] | ok.. so you can imagine that in the future generation of this kind of devices, it will be more difficult to hack |
| 01:07:39 | PsycoXul | i dunno |
| 01:07:48 | PsycoXul | archos is the only device currently i've heard of putting such a hack into it |
| 01:08:01 | tracktheripper | LinusN Why the hell doesn't Archos supply Rockbox as standard with their Jukeboxes? |
| 01:08:16 | LinusN | tracktheripper: take a guess |
| 01:08:26 | LinusN | they can't support it |
| 01:08:27 | tracktheripper | Im sure Archos are aware of Rockbox |
| 01:08:28 | BoD[] | well with the iPod if you use the "legal" softwares from Apple, you can't access the music in the hard drive |
| 01:08:46 | LinusN | tracktheripper: they have asked for our permission to use rockbox |
| 01:08:53 | BoD[] | so you can copy a mp3 from your pc then give the iPod to a friend and he takes the mp3 |
| 01:08:56 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 01:09:04 | BoD[] | you can'T i mean :) |
| 01:09:13 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:09:18 | tracktheripper | is Archos aware on how much better Rockbox is? |
| 01:09:49 | LinusN | tracktheripper: i'm sure they have tried it, otherwise they wouldn't have asked |
| 01:10:29 | tracktheripper | There is an Achilles heel with that hack :-) |
| 01:10:58 | tracktheripper | What if you need the album HFSCMSOFF as a genuine ID3 tag? |
| 01:11:01 | tracktheripper | heehee |
| 01:11:09 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:11:28 | midknight2k3 | i doubt it |
| 01:11:35 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 01:11:39 | PsycoXul | i'm gonna put out an album |
| 01:11:54 | PsycoXul | under the artist title "are kose" and name the album HFSCMSOFF |
| 01:12:43 | tracktheripper | I wonder why Archos made that hack hidden? |
| 01:12:53 | PsycoXul | whats so hidden about it? |
| 01:13:39 | PsycoXul | the fact that they even have a hack and that it's known about tells me they didn't really want to support SCMS |
| 01:13:39 | tracktheripper | because to work the hack you need to type that codeword in |
| 01:13:49 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 01:14:01 | tracktheripper | Just include an option in the menu SCMS off/on |
| 01:14:05 | LinusN | if they allowed it in their settings, they could probably be sued by some greedy association |
| 01:14:06 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:14:12 | PsycoXul | exactly |
| 01:14:23 | tracktheripper | but what if the shit hits the fan about this "hidden hack" |
| 01:14:37 | PsycoXul | well it's not a supported feature |
| 01:14:49 | PsycoXul | they don't even tell you about it |
| 01:15:02 | tracktheripper | i'e what if the RIAA found about it? |
| 01:15:11 | PsycoXul | so how could they be held responsible for their customers hacking their units |
| 01:15:36 | tracktheripper | you didn't answer me |
| 01:15:51 | tracktheripper | What if the RIAA found about this "hidden hack" where you key in HFSCMSOFF |
| 01:15:51 | PsycoXul | yeah i did |
| 01:15:51 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:15:58 | PsycoXul | what would it matter? |
| 01:16:00 | tracktheripper | they could sue Archos and force them to remove the hack |
| 01:16:05 | PsycoXul | it's not a supported feature |
| 01:16:19 | PsycoXul | they couldn't force them to remove it |
| 01:16:23 | PsycoXul | that would require a recall |
| 01:16:44 | | Quit Schnippi ("Und wech") |
| 01:16:45 | PsycoXul | best they could do is make them put up a new firmware to download |
| 01:16:54 | PsycoXul | with a "removed SMSC disabling hack" in the changelog |
| 01:16:57 | PsycoXul | that nobody would upgrade to |
| 01:16:58 | tracktheripper | something like that |
| 01:17:01 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 01:17:06 | PsycoXul | and put that on any new units shipping, if they still ship any |
| 01:17:08 | tracktheripper | but they would include in new Jukeboxes |
| 01:17:28 | PsycoXul | which, by the time all this would go down, i doubt they would be still |
| 01:17:28 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:18:29 | tracktheripper | there is a way you could have a "crossfade illusion" |
| 01:18:32 | BoD[] | you watch too many movies ;) |
| 01:18:41 | tracktheripper | Fade in the new song just after the preceding song has faded out |
| 01:18:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:18:54 | PsycoXul | about crossfade |
| 01:19:05 | tracktheripper | What do you think Linus? |
| 01:19:12 | PsycoXul | i wonder if you could shuffle the frames together |
| 01:19:22 | PsycoXul | probably not.. |
| 01:19:25 | midknight2k3 | ripper |
| 01:19:30 | PsycoXul | but you know it's a thought |
| 01:19:31 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:19:32 | midknight2k3 | private chat window, helllllo? |
| 01:20:09 | tracktheripper | SCMS = Serial Copy Management System |
| 01:20:28 | PsycoXul | got frames from song A and frames from song B and you put them in the buffer like AAAABAABAABBAABBABBABBABBBBB or somesuch |
| 01:20:52 | BoD[] | midknight2k3: ignore list helllllo ? |
| 01:20:58 | midknight2k3 | ha ha |
| 01:21:05 | PsycoXul | and just make it see it as VBR if they're different bitrates |
| 01:21:07 | midknight2k3 | you hate me? |
| 01:21:09 | midknight2k3 | crap! |
| 01:21:16 | tracktheripper | Linus what do u think of my crossfade illusion idea? |
| 01:21:28 | PsycoXul | but i dunno enough about mp3 and the decoding hardware to know if that'd work/work right |
| 01:21:32 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:21:45 | BoD[] | psyco : this would sound terrible don't you think ? |
| 01:21:52 | LinusN | that will sound like sh*t for sure |
| 01:21:54 | tracktheripper | All you do is fade in the next song AFTER the preceding song has finished |
| 01:22:12 | PsycoXul | LinusN: would it? |
| 01:22:22 | PsycoXul | but a frame is only a tiny fraction of a seconds worth of audio isn't it? |
| 01:22:22 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:22:25 | tracktheripper | since most songs fade OUT when they finish |
| 01:22:32 | LinusN | it will sound like stuttering |
| 01:22:59 | PsycoXul | whats a typical frames per second? |
| 01:23:20 | LinusN | each frame is about 26ms |
| 01:23:41 | LinusN | it depends on the sampling rate |
| 01:23:41 | PsycoXul | ah |
| 01:23:48 | BoD[] | even if a frame was very little, it would create noise |
| 01:23:55 | LinusN | exactly |
| 01:24:23 | PsycoXul | oh well |
| 01:25:14 | PsycoXul | tracktheripper: about your idea, i don't really see the point.. isn't the idea of crossfading to remove the gap between songs not make it longer? |
| 01:25:17 | BoD[] | you still can create all the possible combination of two files, and generate a crossfading mp3 for each one of them and make the archos play them between the two songs ;) |
| 01:25:54 | tracktheripper | but it would create an "illusion of crossfade" |
| 01:25:58 | midknight2k3 | yeah, what he said |
| 01:26:03 | midknight2k3 | trackripperguy |
| 01:26:07 | midknight2k3 | private chat hello? |
| 01:26:11 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:26:18 | tracktheripper | since crossfade is not possible according to Bjorn and co |
| 01:26:24 | midknight2k3 | hah |
| 01:26:50 | midknight2k3 | i know |
| 01:27:00 | midknight2k3 | he's making it sound impossible |
| 01:27:06 | midknight2k3 | but it's really under development |
| 01:27:08 | tracktheripper | Linus is the one who wears the glasses |
| 01:27:13 | PsycoXul | how about rockbox does background software decoding, crossfading, and re-encoding of the 2 seconds between the end of the current track and the next track |
| 01:27:15 | midknight2k3 | UM! |
| 01:27:17 | midknight2k3 | RIPPER! |
| 01:27:19 | midknight2k3 | HELLO? |
| 01:27:22 | PsycoXul | starts as soon as the track starts and hopes it finishes by the time the track's done |
| 01:27:25 | tracktheripper | YES? |
| 01:27:29 | PsycoXul | depending on track length and stuff |
| 01:27:29 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:27:35 | midknight2k3 | PRIVATE... |
| 01:27:36 | midknight2k3 | CHAT |
| 01:27:44 | tracktheripper | too tired to private chatty |
| 01:27:49 | midknight2k3 | just go there |
| 01:27:51 | BoD[] | what's your problem midknight |
| 01:28:01 | midknight2k3 | it's... |
| 01:28:03 | midknight2k3 | business |
| 01:28:10 | PsycoXul | dirty business? |
| 01:28:15 | midknight2k3 | NO |
| 01:28:19 | PsycoXul | sinful business? |
| 01:28:20 | midknight2k3 | how dare you! |
| 01:28:23 | midknight2k3 | No way |
| 01:28:28 | midknight2k3 | tidbitty business |
| 01:28:37 | PsycoXul | tidbitty? |
| 01:28:40 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 01:28:53 | PsycoXul | bidtitty business? prostitution? |
| 01:28:53 | BoD[] | what do you mean with your "private chat"s ? :) |
| 01:29:02 | midknight2k3 | N...O |
| 01:29:08 | midknight2k3 | bidtitty? |
| 01:29:11 | midknight2k3 | that's just stupid |
| 01:29:18 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:29:32 | PsycoXul | well wtf does 'tidbitty business' mean? that doesn't even make sense |
| 01:29:40 | midknight2k3 | eeggs.com |
| 01:29:42 | tracktheripper | Is it me or is the inverted video line more slow than the arrow? |
| 01:29:50 | midknight2k3 | MAN! |
| 01:29:54 | BoD[] | arff |
| 01:29:56 | PsycoXul | tracktheripper: i would guess it's got more overhead |
| 01:29:58 | midknight2k3 | do you ever listen? |
| 01:30:05 | midknight2k3 | okay |
| 01:30:15 | midknight2k3 | who can tell me what the hfscms is for |
| 01:30:33 | PsycoXul | dunno about the hf |
| 01:30:39 | PsycoXul | tracktheripper already said what the scms is |
| 01:33:14 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 01:33:28 | midknight2k3 | ripper |
| 01:33:30 | midknight2k3 | i beg you |
| 01:33:34 | tracktheripper | WHAT? |
| 01:33:35 | midknight2k3 | please please |
| 01:33:41 | midknight2k3 | go the the private chat |
| 01:33:47 | midknight2k3 | answer the simple question |
| 01:33:48 | tracktheripper | im off 2 bed soon |
| 01:33:53 | midknight2k3 | great |
| 01:34:02 | midknight2k3 | i only have until soon to get the answer |
| 01:34:03 | tracktheripper | ask me here |
| 01:34:05 | tracktheripper | if u like |
| 01:34:23 | midknight2k3 | I need to know exactly what the scms is for |
| 01:34:39 | tracktheripper | SCMS IS A COPY PROTECTION SCHEME THAT PREVENTS COPY-PROTECTED DATA BEING RECORDED ONTO THE ARCHOS VIA THE DIGITAL IN PORT |
| 01:34:51 | midknight2k3 | thanks |
| 01:34:59 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:35:12 | PsycoXul | midknight2k3: you should pay more attention |
| 01:35:25 | PsycoXul | that info's been given while you were here |
| 01:35:36 | midknight2k3 | well not really |
| 01:35:40 | midknight2k3 | i was gone-ish |
| 01:35:48 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:36:11 | BoD[] | :) |
| 01:36:12 | PsycoXul | it's still there |
| 01:36:18 | PsycoXul | your irc client can't scroll back? |
| 01:36:19 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 01:36:37 | midknight2k3 | yes it can |
| 01:36:48 | midknight2k3 | I just don't feel like searching for it |
| 01:37:18 | tracktheripper | midknight if you rename the extension of one of your files from .mp3 to .midknight2k3 you will get your face on the LCD :-) |
| 01:37:29 | PsycoXul | sorry it just annoys me when people are persistently demanding for information they could've known already if they just payed more attention... |
| 01:37:37 | midknight2k3 | really? |
| 01:37:42 | PsycoXul | haha |
| 01:37:43 | midknight2k3 | Sorry |
| 01:37:45 | midknight2k3 | I have a life |
| 01:37:49 | midknight2k3 | Glee! |
| 01:38:17 | PsycoXul | no you don't, you're just living under the illusion that you do |
| 01:38:23 | midknight2k3 | Okay enough |
| 01:38:26 | PsycoXul | but there's nothing wrong with that, thats all you can do anyway |
| 01:38:30 | tracktheripper | ok calm down |
| 01:38:30 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 01:38:49 | PsycoXul | just don't presume to know that other people aren't under the same illusion and take it as an excuse for something |
| 01:38:52 | PsycoXul | :p |
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| 01:39:09 | tracktheripper | and by the way, 192kbs CBR is the best bitrate for ripping :-) |
| 01:39:14 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:39:29 | PsycoXul | if you want the best quality |
| 01:39:32 | PsycoXul | lame −−alt-preset insane |
| 01:39:38 | tracktheripper | wrong |
| 01:39:41 | BoD[] | i guess ut's not as good as 320 ? |
| 01:39:45 | tracktheripper | Fraunhofer, 192kbs CBR |
| 01:40:17 | PsycoXul | fraunhofer's not as good at >128kbps as others |
| 01:40:20 | PsycoXul | thats a well known fact |
| 01:40:33 | tracktheripper | you know what LAME means? |
| 01:40:40 | tracktheripper | LAME is Not An MP3 Encoder |
| 01:40:40 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 01:40:42 | PsycoXul | very much established through listening tests and analysis |
| 01:40:48 | PsycoXul | right |
| 01:40:57 | PsycoXul | when LAME was named it wasn't an mp3 encoder |
| 01:41:05 | PsycoXul | it was a patch to the dist10 source to optimize it |
| 01:41:23 | PsycoXul | it's since had pretty much every piece rewritten and implimented a totally new psychoaccoustic model from scratch |
| 01:41:44 | PsycoXul | but i've gotta go eat dinner now |
| 01:41:45 | PsycoXul | bbl |
| 01:41:54 | tracktheripper | A much shorter sentence |
| 01:42:01 | tracktheripper | Fraunhofer is better than LAME |
| 01:42:49 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 01:43:36 | tracktheripper | :)) |
| 01:43:48 | tracktheripper | Fraunhofer even sounds good at 64kbs |
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| 01:43:57 | midknight2k3_awa | away |
| 01:44:00 | midknight2k3_awa | lol |
| 01:44:05 | midknight2k3_awa | who cares im gone now |
| 01:44:15 | | Nick midknight2k3_awa is now known as midknight2k3 (LaLaLaLaLa@AC983F2E.ipt.aol.com) |
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| 01:44:15 | tracktheripper | good :-) |
| 01:44:30 | midknight2k3 | not really |
| 01:44:41 | tracktheripper | <−− is playing with the pitch adjuster |
| 01:46:00 | tracktheripper | at least pitch shift does not introduce artifacts |
| 01:46:02 | tracktheripper | like time stretch |
| 01:47:20 | midknight2k3 | im back! |
| 01:47:25 | tracktheripper | :-( |
| 01:47:31 | midknight2k3 | you hate me? |
| 01:47:32 | tracktheripper | )-: |
| 01:47:37 | tracktheripper | course not :D |
| 01:47:43 | midknight2k3 | gah! :O |
| 01:47:52 | midknight2k3 | gone now |
| 01:48:16 | tracktheripper | so midknight when are you gonna submit your patch that enables timestretching? |
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| 02:35:21 | midknight2k3 | hey! |
| 02:35:28 | midknight2k3 | who's here then? |
| 02:35:37 | midknight2k3 | psyco? |
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| 03:28:34 | midknight2k3 | Okay one more thing |
| 03:28:49 | midknight2k3 | Oh well never mind |
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| 03:30:07 | midknight2k3 | hmp |
| 03:30:10 | midknight2k3 | hmph |
| 03:31:50 | midknight2k3 | Linus, when you submit a bug report is it immediately posted or reviewed first? |
| 03:32:30 | LinusN | it's immediately posted |
| 03:32:57 | midknight2k3 | Hmm I don't see it |
| 03:33:19 | LinusN | on the rockbox site? |
| 03:33:23 | midknight2k3 | did I have to be logged it? |
| 03:33:24 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 03:33:39 | midknight2k3 | it doesn't go there first? |
| 03:33:50 | midknight2k3 | I'm looking at rockbox 'bug reports' |
| 03:33:58 | LinusN | our site fetches the bug report database once a day |
| 03:34:09 | midknight2k3 | oh |
| 03:34:17 | LinusN | the bug reports are stored at sourceforge |
| 03:36:03 | midknight2k3 | same w/ feature requests? |
| 03:36:07 | midknight2k3 | once a day? |
| 03:36:07 | LinusN | yup |
| 03:36:50 | LinusN | your report: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439118&aid=724788&group_id=44306 |
| 03:39:30 | midknight2k3 | Do you still have 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 for download? |
| 03:39:51 | LinusN | no |
| 03:40:06 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 03:40:20 | LinusN | why would we? |
| 03:40:22 | midknight2k3 | was there ever a 1.2? |
| 03:40:25 | midknight2k3 | I don't know |
| 03:40:33 | midknight2k3 | :) you never know |
| 03:40:45 | midknight2k3 | oh you made a mistake |
| 03:40:55 | midknight2k3 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/old.html |
| 03:41:03 | midknight2k3 | smack dab in the middle should be 1.2, not 1.1 |
| 03:41:48 | LinusN | ic |
| 03:41:58 | midknight2k3 | *grin* |
| 03:42:34 | midknight2k3 | at least 1.4 is still downloadable |
| 03:46:02 | midknight2k3 | this smells |
| 03:46:55 | midknight2k3 | I still have to write a page and a half 'persuasive' argument on why I thought it was unfair that the European Westward Expansion took over the Walla Walla tribe's land lol |
| 03:47:08 | midknight2k3 | stumped again |
| 03:50:12 | midknight2k3 | You know what, tonight I think I'll write a review of the magnificent Rockbox. |
| 03:50:20 | midknight2k3 | A sequel to the Archos review. |
| 03:51:23 | LinusN | great |
| 03:51:33 | LinusN | gotta sleep now, nite |
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| 03:54:36 | midknight2k3 | Are you... up to something? |
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| 11:58:17 | Cobra04 | what about the warranty when i install rockbox |
| 11:58:20 | tracktheripper | What does the Editable files option do? |
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| 12:00:24 | tracktheripper | anybody? |
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| 12:10:18 | Quelsaruk | hi! |
| 12:10:30 | Quelsaruk | back to life, after a week... |
| 12:10:31 | Quelsaruk | :) |
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| 13:02:13 | Quelsaruk | btw.. i've seen some ui changes have been commited to cvs, anyone knows which changes are these? |
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| 14:48:57 | tracktheripper | hi# |
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| 15:17:15 | nelliep | tracktheripper? |
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| 15:32:44 | tracktheripper | hi nelliep |
| 15:32:47 | tracktheripper | sorry was out |
| 15:32:47 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 15:35:47 | tracktheripper | hows it going? |
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| 16:24:58 | Quelsaruk | re-hi |
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| 18:42:10 | Quelsaruk | re-hi tracktheripper |
| 18:43:02 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 18:43:15 | tracktheripper | last time I was talking to you, you suddenly went quite |
| 18:43:35 | Quelsaruk | upss |
| 18:43:37 | Quelsaruk | yups |
| 18:43:39 | Quelsaruk | sorry |
| 18:43:47 | tracktheripper | its alright :-) |
| 18:43:52 | Quelsaruk | i had to help a teacher here at university |
| 18:43:57 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 18:44:30 | tracktheripper | I can't see any more features being added to Rockbox since Rockbox is on the 200kb file size limit |
| 18:44:49 | Quelsaruk | not really |
| 18:44:58 | tracktheripper | what do you mean? |
| 18:45:02 | Quelsaruk | it's 200ks if you load games and demos |
| 18:45:06 | Quelsaruk | and... |
| 18:45:23 | Quelsaruk | 2.3 will use some kind of modules |
| 18:45:44 | tracktheripper | well if I could i'd have the games and demos removed |
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| 18:45:57 | tracktheripper | I would prefer advanced recording features over games |
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| 18:47:54 | tracktheripper | quels??? |
| 18:48:30 | Quelsaruk | sorry |
| 18:48:31 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 18:48:35 | Quelsaruk | of course |
| 18:48:38 | Quelsaruk | me too |
| 18:48:47 | tracktheripper | żż???? |
| 18:49:11 | Quelsaruk | [18:48:50] <tracktheripper> I would prefer advanced recording features over games |
| 18:49:15 | Quelsaruk | me too |
| 18:49:16 | Quelsaruk | :P |
| 18:49:23 | tracktheripper | żżżżżżżżż |
| 18:50:04 | tracktheripper | so now I know how you do the inverted question mark :) |
| 18:50:34 | Quelsaruk | hehe |
| 18:51:13 | tracktheripper | ???żżżż |
| 18:51:30 | tracktheripper | after all you don't use your car radio to play games :) |
| 18:51:41 | Quelsaruk | no? |
| 18:51:57 | tracktheripper | ż? |
| 18:52:12 | Quelsaruk | ;) |
| 18:52:15 | Quelsaruk | just a joke |
| 18:52:15 | Quelsaruk | :P |
| 18:52:31 | tracktheripper | I wish Dwihno was here :) |
| 18:53:28 | tracktheripper | Why does the Archos firmware have that strange background noise? |
| 18:54:15 | tracktheripper | żżżżż?? |
| 18:54:41 | Quelsaruk | some problem with how you send the mp3 info to the mas.. or something like that |
| 18:54:48 | Quelsaruk | Linus knows :) |
| 18:55:14 | tracktheripper | Is the MAS really programmable? even though Bjorn and co don't know how to program it? |
| 18:55:55 | Quelsaruk | it's programmable.. if you have the manual and the tools to program it :) |
| 18:56:18 | tracktheripper | so can it be "theoretically" be programmed to play WMA or ATRAC3? |
| 18:56:31 | Quelsaruk | dunno |
| 18:56:34 | Quelsaruk | but maybe |
| 18:56:55 | tracktheripper | ATRAC3 is supposed to sound very good at 66kbs |
| 18:58:03 | Quelsaruk | dunno |
| 18:58:27 | tracktheripper | żżvżż?? |
| 18:58:27 | Quelsaruk | y use VBR, using Lame's −−alt-preset standard |
| 18:58:51 | tracktheripper | I use the Fraunhofer codec in Musicmatch's encoder |
| 18:59:36 | tracktheripper | but all in all I feel an MP3 file is an MP3 file, regardless of the codec |
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| 19:00:50 | Quelsaruk | not really |
| 19:01:06 | tracktheripper | żżżż |
| 19:01:20 | Quelsaruk | i really don't like my mp3 compresed using CBR 128kbps... |
| 19:01:26 | Quelsaruk | i can feel the difference |
| 19:01:37 | tracktheripper | well Quel I encode at 192kbs CBR |
| 19:01:38 | Quelsaruk | (well.. i have good headphones) |
| 19:01:44 | tracktheripper | perfect CD quiality |
| 19:02:06 | Quelsaruk | no really |
| 19:02:21 | Quelsaruk | using vbr i get files with 220 kbps |
| 19:02:28 | tracktheripper | I cannot tell the difference between a WAV file and an MP3 file at 192kbs CBR |
| 19:02:31 | Quelsaruk | more or less.. |
| 19:02:46 | Quelsaruk | sometimes i can |
| 19:02:52 | tracktheripper | but for me 192Kbs CBR is fine |
| 19:02:59 | tracktheripper | if its not broken don't fix it :-) |
| 19:03:06 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:03:24 | tracktheripper | as long as im happy with 192kbs CBR that all is that that matters :-) |
| 19:04:43 | tracktheripper | look at the sound quality achieved with MP3Pro VBR! |
| 19:04:53 | tracktheripper | CD quality in file sizes less than 1Mb :-) |
| 19:05:36 | tracktheripper | Now if the nice people at Micronas will tell us how to reprogram the chip to play MP3Pro |
| 19:06:11 | tracktheripper | quel?? |
| 19:06:21 | Quelsaruk | ummm |
| 19:06:23 | Quelsaruk | sorry |
| 19:06:26 | Quelsaruk | working a bit |
| 19:06:27 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:07:13 | Quelsaruk | never tested a mp3pro file |
| 19:08:35 | tracktheripper | :-( |
| 19:16:01 | tracktheripper | quel have you ever used a Creative Labs Nomad? |
| 19:17:06 | Quelsaruk | no |
| 19:17:21 | tracktheripper | the battery is short, short and did I say it was short? |
| 19:17:22 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:17:28 | Quelsaruk | ;) |
| 19:17:39 | tracktheripper | you are LUCKY to get 4 hours out of it |
| 19:17:45 | Quelsaruk | jeje |
| 19:18:01 | Quelsaruk | i mean.. hehe |
| 19:18:03 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:18:14 | tracktheripper | but at least the Nomad has the inverted video line and playback speed adjust |
| 19:20:16 | Quelsaruk | rockbox also has the IVL |
| 19:20:23 | Quelsaruk | and you can adjust the pitch :P |
| 19:20:32 | tracktheripper | yes but the Nomad timestretches :-) |
| 19:20:42 | Quelsaruk | pse... |
| 19:21:44 | tracktheripper | and the nomad can play wma........ |
| 19:21:50 | tracktheripper | but cannot be used as a hard drive :-( |
| 19:23:34 | tracktheripper | I wonder what codec Creative Playcenter uses......? |
| 19:26:17 | Quelsaruk | dunno |
| 19:28:20 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:29:09 | tracktheripper | I wonder if you can get a 60Gb drive that will fit in the Archos |
| 19:32:02 | Quelsaruk | of course |
| 19:32:08 | Quelsaruk | dwihno has one |
| 19:32:12 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 19:32:23 | tracktheripper | is the archos powerful enought to handle a 60Gb drive? |
| 19:33:46 | Quelsaruk | i haven't tested it myself, but seems to be |
| 19:34:23 | tracktheripper | yay!!! the tetris game is finally working on my Archos! |
| 19:36:57 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:37:14 | Quelsaruk | greettings :) |
| 19:37:42 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:37:47 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:37:56 | tracktheripper | >:D< |
| 19:39:52 | tracktheripper | The metal chassis must act as some sort of heatsink |
| 19:40:05 | tracktheripper | it gets very warm if the JB is being used for long periods |
| 19:41:45 | tracktheripper | QUEL |
| 19:42:21 | Quelsaruk | ummm |
| 19:42:22 | Quelsaruk | really? |
| 19:42:46 | Quelsaruk | just if you are charging it... |
| 19:42:49 | Quelsaruk | at least mine |
| 19:43:01 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 19:43:09 | tracktheripper | the IVL looks better when Invert is on |
| 19:51:31 | tracktheripper | :) |
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| 19:58:06 | Quelsaruk | :) |
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| 20:05:57 | Bryant | does anyone know how to cue songs? |
| 20:06:08 | Bryant | or is it queue |
| 20:13:09 | Quelsaruk | queue |
| 20:13:34 | Quelsaruk | while you are playing a song, browse the navigator |
| 20:13:51 | Quelsaruk | and press 'ON+PLAY' |
| 20:14:18 | Quelsaruk | you'll get a file menu, where you can add that song to the queue |
| 20:15:25 | Quelsaruk | Bryant: anyway, you can take a look at http://rockbo.haxx.se/manual/manual.pdf |
| 20:15:43 | Quelsaruk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/manual.pdf |
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| 20:39:14 | Bryant | thanks |
| 20:39:38 | Quelsaruk | :) |
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| 21:17:57 | Quelsaruk | cu tomorrow! |
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| 22:53:16 | PsycoXul | langhaarrocker: i've been considering buying a bass |
| 22:53:23 | PsycoXul | just so i've got one to record :p |
| 22:53:33 | langhaarrocker | :) |
| 22:53:56 | langhaarrocker | I have mine in the practice room always -> no bass @ home |
| 22:54:22 | PsycoXul | why |
| 22:54:23 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 22:55:01 | langhaarrocker | I don't want superfluous luggage in the train twice a week. I have no car. |
| 22:55:17 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 22:55:29 | PsycoXul | you only get to see your bass twice a week? |
| 22:55:42 | langhaarrocker | :( |
| 22:57:35 | langhaarrocker | But it's a fluffy bass. I sew a suit from fur for it. :) |
| 22:57:48 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 22:57:58 | PsycoXul | got any pics? |
| 22:58:30 | PsycoXul | this is the one i'm looking at: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030420012106063205043022329925/search/detail/base_id/58509 |
| 22:58:43 | PsycoXul | i probably won't get it |
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| 23:00:04 | langhaarrocker | pic of my bass is on www.x-phobie.de somewhere in the practice room. Not very good for investigating fur though. |
| 23:00:23 | PsycoXul | really? heh |
| 23:00:29 | PsycoXul | i looked at that before, didn't notice it |
| 23:02:20 | langhaarrocker | it can be seen little bit better when you click for "Soap"->"Peter krompft" |
| 23:04:15 | langhaarrocker | Any php or mysql guru around? |
| 23:05:01 | Hes | Hm, other bass players here? Cool. |
| 23:05:41 | Hes | I got an upright bass in october. And i've got an electric one too. |
| 23:06:07 | PsycoXul | haha rackmount pong |
| 23:06:08 | langhaarrocker | Two basses and on guitar? Strange. Usually it's one bass and plenty of guitar men. |
| 23:06:34 | langhaarrocker | PsycoXol: Do you understand german? |
| 23:06:41 | Hes | Have to admit, I do guitar too. |
| 23:06:47 | PsycoXul | langhaarrocker: not really |
| 23:06:49 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 24 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:06:49 | * | langhaarrocker too |
| 23:06:51 | PsycoXul | i took 2 years of it in highschool |
| 23:07:09 | PsycoXul | and i probably learned more from it than most of the class |
| 23:07:13 | PsycoXul | but that's really not saying anything |
| 23:07:13 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 23:07:42 | langhaarrocker | Probably less important to know german than english. |
| 23:08:30 | langhaarrocker | Hes: so we all together are three people, two bass men and three guitar men. And half a drummer. :) |
| 23:09:09 | Hes | Hey, I played drums in a wind band in school, too. 8-) |
| 23:09:43 | langhaarrocker | ok, one and a half drummer. And a vocalist (PsycoXul, not me) |
| 23:10:01 | PsycoXul | langhaarrocker: hey thats a 5-string? |
| 23:10:02 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 23:10:16 | langhaarrocker | sorry |
| 23:10:41 | PsycoXul | sorry what? |
| 23:10:49 | langhaarrocker | Originally I wanted to buy a fretless but then ended up with a 5 string. |
| 23:11:04 | PsycoXul | thats cool |
| 23:11:21 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 23:11:33 | PsycoXul | i dunno if i could deal with a fretless bass |
| 23:11:36 | Hes | I only count as ½ drummer these days. 8-) |
| 23:11:58 | Hes | My electric is 5-string. Upright is, naturally, fretless. I just love it. |
| 23:12:03 | PsycoXul | http://psyco.yi.org:8042/guitars.jpg |
| 23:12:13 | langhaarrocker | demographics make my head ache when it comes down to fractional counting. |
| 23:12:24 | PsycoXul | i should finish restoring the 2 on the right |
| 23:12:27 | Hes | Loads of fun (and ripping hair off while practicing) |
| 23:13:33 | Hes | The smallest one doesn't count. 8-) |
| 23:13:35 | langhaarrocker | Pah. at that low frequencies nobody notices anything anyway. |
| 23:13:58 | langhaarrocker | shrieeeeeek!!! |
| 23:14:04 | * | langhaarrocker detects a violin |
| 23:14:08 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 23:14:14 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 23:14:25 | PsycoXul | i decided i wanted to learn to play it so got a cheap one on ebay |
| 23:14:46 | PsycoXul | it's hard heh |
| 23:14:57 | PsycoXul | especialy without a teacher or having the violin properly setup or anything |
| 23:16:21 | PsycoXul | oddly, bowing was the harder part |
| 23:16:39 | PsycoXul | fingering sorta came natural in the somewhat rare occasion that i'm in the right state of mind |
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| 23:17:15 | PsycoXul | heh |
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| 23:17:38 | Hes | I have one too, played it for some 3-4 years as a kid. With a proper teacher and all, but very little practicing at home 8-) |
| 23:17:55 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 23:18:15 | Hes | I think I had 4 different teachers, which wasn't a good thing. |
| 23:18:42 | Hes | But it was good practice for ears... |
| 23:18:45 | PsycoXul | i even got some books and a new chinrest for it not too long ago and haven't even put the chinrest on or even touched the violin since some months before that heh |
| 23:19:02 | PsycoXul | i should do it some more... |
| 23:19:10 | PsycoXul | start playing with it again |
| 23:19:20 | PsycoXul | it really helped my improvisation |
| 23:19:32 | PsycoXul | for some reason... heh |
| 23:19:55 | PsycoXul | somehow i could improv on it much easier than trying to play any specific thing |
| 23:20:33 | PsycoXul | how about that unfinished guitar with all the metal on it |
| 23:20:36 | PsycoXul | ever seen anything like that? |
| 23:22:17 | langhaarrocker | And how do you play that pile of cloth? :) |
| 23:22:38 | Hes | Laundry. |
| 23:23:23 | langhaarrocker | I played violin for 11 years. That's enough for ~ 4 lifetimes. |
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| 23:23:50 | Triple-z | hey all |
| 23:24:02 | Hes | The one with 4 humbuckers and a load of switches for selecting them? Seems like a funny experiment. |
| 23:24:04 | Triple-z | rockbox 2.0 rock |
| 23:25:31 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 23:26:15 | Hes | You might actually learn to play it in 11 years. 8-) |
| 23:27:08 | Triple-z | anyone know if theres some plugin to support cue files for mixed cds and live sets? |
| 23:27:38 | PsycoXul | there's no plugins |
| 23:28:48 | Triple-z | is it possible? |
| 23:28:53 | langhaarrocker | I think someone made a patch for cue support. But I doubt it matches the code any more. |
| 23:29:09 | PsycoXul | anything's possible |
| 23:29:14 | Triple-z | no |
| 23:29:14 | PsycoXul | except for a bunch of stuff thats not |
| 23:29:25 | Triple-z | mixin isnt heh |
| 23:29:32 | PsycoXul | yeah see |
| 23:29:46 | PsycoXul | thats one of those things thats not :p |
| 23:29:50 | langhaarrocker | Maybe we could simulate mixing by interleaving mp3 frames :) |
| 23:30:08 | PsycoXul | langhaarrocker: that was my idea |
| 23:30:19 | PsycoXul | langhaarrocker: linus said it would just sound like stuttering shit |
| 23:30:54 | langhaarrocker | That's what I believe, too. And I'm not sure wether the processor is fast enough for detecting mp3 frames in real time. |
| 23:31:31 | Hes | Maybe at a low bit rate, yes. Slowly stuttering shit? |
| 23:31:59 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 23:32:24 | langhaarrocker | And it would be a time-stretching feature as well. Mixed-Timestrecht-Stutter-Shit (tm) :) |
| 23:32:44 | langhaarrocker | I must catch some rest. cu |
| 23:33:01 | Triple-z | so mod it with the new mobile pentium heh |
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| 23:34:18 | tracktheripper | Hi |
| 23:34:19 | tracktheripper | :) |
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| 23:39:50 | tracktheripper | hi Jett |
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