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#rockbox log for 2003-04-23

00:01:38ZagorLinusN: do you know if it's the national lm2651 or the fairchild mc34064 dc/dc that handles charging?
00:06:08Zagorit's rated to handle 40V, so 13.5 should probably be ok
00:06:44LinusNit's not all about that chip
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00:08:41Jet8810would it be too risky?
00:08:47LinusNthe external DC is connected to the CPU A/D converters via a simple voltage divider, and i'm not sure how the higher voltage would affect it
00:09:25Jet8810OK, ill just buy a charger
00:10:36Jet8810hey devzero!
00:10:59devZer0hey, you`re all fine?
00:11:32Jet8810why, of course..we da finest out there!
00:12:49devZer0know that. rockbox is a exemplary OSS project - and so are the people :D
00:13:25*LinusN blushes
00:14:00devZer0so less flamewars on the mailinglist....
00:14:21devZer0perhaps we should start one....-just for fun :D
00:14:36Bagderyeah, we could discuss dynamic memory ;-)
00:15:22PsycoXulwhen're we getting the configurable button system?
00:16:10devZer0mhh. first I want DOOM!
00:16:53PsycoXuli used to play doom on a 486sx20, why can't it be done on a 12mhz sh1?
00:18:12devZer0i think the proc. isn` t really the problem ...
00:18:59devZer0mhh - no. don`t thinnk so
00:19:03PsycoXuli suppose between the cpu, ram, and screen
00:19:29PsycoXulit'd probably be "doable" sortof but slow and crappy
00:20:17devZer0if others can do scene-demos with doom-level on c64 we can do that on archos, too :D
00:21:14devZer0ok, enough of that joking :) i`m here because i wanted to ask if someone has some time to look at my patch and submit it to cvs if it` ok !
00:21:32devZer0bad feedback on the ML ;)
00:22:36Bagderwhat patch is that?
00:23:14devZer0it` s #725102
00:24:31devZer0my very first one. so excuse that i` a little bit imopatient
00:24:40Bagderas in: no description and the patch is not browsable
00:24:59Bagderme check that later
00:25:28devZer0mh - just tarred that because it didn`t work to upload three files...
00:25:37PsycoXulwhy would you need 3 files
00:26:22PsycoXulyou can diff can work recursively and take new files which patch'll create when it's applied
00:26:23devZer0isn`t reference to the mailing-list postings good enough? sorry, will make it better the next time, if you tell me what you dislike
00:26:47Bagderit is generally ok by me, I just wanted to browse it quickly now and failed
00:27:03BagderI'm busy doing other stuff atm
00:27:52BagderI was away from my mailbox for five days, mucho backlogged
00:28:11devZer0i don`t know much about patching and that stuff - but when i did the patch at the same time the languagefiles were updated in cvs and after that i had problems to apply the latest cvs checkout
00:28:50devZer0have some time for rockbox stuff atm - so i made my first patch. a second one is in the queue.
00:29:24LinusNwhich do we like the most, "Editable files" or "Independent frames"?
00:29:41Bagderme like alt 2
00:29:50***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:30:14Zagorme too. "editable files" sound like a file/dir attribute
00:30:23LinusNso be it
00:30:29BagderdevZer0: as you see, we have lots of patches to deal with so it may just take a little time
00:31:27devZer0ok - no problem :)
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00:31:55devZer0my patch just does minor changes - only menu_settings.c and 2 languagefiles are patched
00:32:38Zagorit's the invert text fix, right?
00:33:25devZer0yes - that too. there are some more menue entries updated
00:34:37devZer0besides that, i have "show icons on/off" working for me - will do another patch if rb-team likes it
00:35:26Bagderin the dir browser you mean?
00:35:55devZer0wake up early this morning and couldn` t sleep any further. so some rockbox hacking was a good start into the day :)
00:36:12devZer0yes - you can switch icons in dirbrowser on/off
00:36:18ZagordevZer0: that's always a good start! :-)
00:38:28devZer0mhh - perhaps i should stand up at 5:00am every day and do 2 hours hacking :)
00:41:44devZer0ahh - badger, you submitted makefile change - thanks for that. will test that and update win32 SDK with rockbox-tools included
00:42:17Bagdergo ahead
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00:43:40devZer0I didnt know that you guys also are the guys behind curl - saw that some days ago. Great work! curl is really cool! thanks for that!
00:45:34midknight2k3Okay then
00:45:41devZer0http swiss army knife
00:45:54midknight2k3Well my question was, is an A-B repeat possible for the recorder 20?
00:46:05Zagormidknight2k3: yes it is
00:46:20midknight2k3i hope you guys can implement it
00:46:25midknight2k3After that I'm set
00:46:31midknight2k3that's the only thing I need
00:46:40Zagorwell I'm not particularly wanting it, so don't hold your breath :)
00:46:45midknight2k3I did submit a feature request
00:46:50Bagderwell its of course possible to implement
00:46:58midknight2k3i know htat's what i thought
00:47:14Zagortry to find someone who can code, and submit a patch.
00:47:15midknight2k3Do you have the time to stick it in a dailybuild?
00:47:27LinusN"stick it"?
00:47:29Zagormidknight2k3: we have hundreds of requests...
00:47:39LinusNit's not like it's done in a few minutes
00:47:42midknight2k3well, put it
00:48:00midknight2k3Well whatever, perhaps in v2.1 :)
00:48:10*Bagder counted, 294 open feature-requests...
00:48:38devZer0yes - realized that today. twoooohundredninetyfour.
00:48:46midknight2k3yes I just thought it might be pretty easy because you just have to tell it to loop or whatever.. but then again I don't know anything about it
00:49:06LinusNi'm curious about bug #725521, ideas anyone?
00:49:09midknight2k3What do you think it would take? A few hours?
00:49:17Zagormidknight2k3: well then we could just "tell it" to play divx files too, couldn't we? ;)
00:49:34midknight2k3You have to put some serious code to make the AJBR's screen into a color screen
00:49:46LinusNmidknight2k3: as if that was the hard part
00:49:51Zagoryes, it would take a few hours at least. it requires changes deep into the mpeg code.
00:50:09midknight2k3wow you guys really work hard on this
00:51:14devZer0m2k3: many guys work hard on rockbox ;)
00:51:32midknight2k3Wish I knew how to contribute :\
00:51:43devZer0hey, no problem
00:51:48Bagderwe need all kinds of contributions, not just code
00:51:59midknight2k3like what?
00:52:33Bagderreplying to people on the list and forums
00:52:39midknight2k3testing on the archos simulator?
00:52:47devZer0giving ideas and suggestions
00:52:55devZer0yes,that too
00:53:03midknight2k3docs, well, docs I was going to review it but that wouldn't really be considered a document
00:53:25LinusNthe manual?
00:53:34midknight2k3Rockbox itself
00:53:45devZer0the pdf is really great! good work
00:53:54midknight2k3yes it is
00:53:58midknight2k3I looked at it yesterday
00:55:35devZer0and have some additions for that?
00:56:05midknight2k3are you talking to me?
00:56:16devZer0mh - another task for contribution: translation (.lang files)
00:56:23devZer0yep :)
00:56:37midknight2k3Oh wow
00:56:42midknight2k3You think I could do THAT?
00:57:00midknight2k3I couldn't come close to writing a line of code that does anything
00:57:01devZer0why not?
00:57:14Bagder.lang files aren't code
00:57:23midknight2k3what do you have to do then?
00:57:35midknight2k3Just say "TRANSLATE TO SPANISH"
00:57:53devZer0look at the files
00:57:56midknight2k3Naw... really?
00:58:21devZer0they get out of sync quickly.
00:58:42midknight2k3just say what it is and what it needs to be?
00:59:02devZer0and every langfile should have some people "behind" that, so they attend to upgrade them, if something changes in the english template
00:59:24midknight2k3I think I'll stick to a review for today
00:59:42devZer0there is a script which helps keeping the langfiles in sync
00:59:56midknight2k3that's good
01:00:00devZer0it is a perlscript in the tools dir
01:00:27devZer0you just have to run it - and then see which entries need maintenance.
01:00:45midknight2k3Like I said, a review...
01:01:11devZer0then update the text - make a patch or upload the whole file - and you`re done. that is contributing to the project ;)
01:01:32midknight2k3Well, I don't know maybe for a long term project heh
01:02:52devZer0think this is a long term project :) i think rockbox never will be "ready"
01:03:13midknight2k3that's goo
01:03:19midknight2k3new features.. yay
01:03:28LinusNprograms are never finished, they are released
01:03:33midknight2k3Besides, Archos STILL hasn't touched the firwmare of their own
01:04:04LinusNthere is no money in updating firmwares forever
01:04:10midknight2k3I mean, the archos recorder is a REALLY capable machine
01:04:27midknight2k3Archos thinks they ought to leave it to you ;)
01:05:08devZer0why should they put work on that?
01:05:32midknight2k3because you void the warranty now don't you?
01:06:06Bagderreplacing a file on my disk is not voiding my warranty
01:06:11devZer0i`m used to open my devices three weeks after buying them :D
01:06:23midknight2k3well if you put on unofficial firwmare and it messes up your player (no offense) it's not their fault
01:06:29midknight2k3yes lol
01:06:33midknight2k3i can relate
01:06:33devZer0yes - rockbox doesn`t break warranty
01:06:52midknight2k3you're specially licensed from Archos or something?
01:07:03devZer0maybe it can brake your hdd - but i won`t break your warranty, i think ;)
01:07:23devZer0no - this is completly independent from archos
01:07:27PsycoXulmidknight2k3: what makes you think it would void the warranty? you're not opening it, you're not tampering with it, you're not modifying it
01:07:51midknight2k3But you are
01:07:56midknight2k3Is it archoses program? No.
01:07:59PsycoXuldoes installing linux on a store-purchased computer void it's waranty?
01:08:10PsycoXulit's the same thing
01:08:11midknight2k3This is different though
01:08:14PsycoXuljust installing a new OS
01:08:14midknight2k3Okay sure
01:08:15PsycoXulno it's not
01:08:19PsycoXulit's just software
01:08:32midknight2k3Sorry jeez okay i can see you're adamant
01:08:44PsycoXuli'm not adamant
01:08:51midknight2k3SURE you're not
01:08:53midknight2k3Uh huh
01:08:56PsycoXuljust wondering what reasoning you're using
01:09:01PsycoXuland presenting mine :p
01:09:04devZer0yes - maybe this wasnt, what archos didn` t have in mind - but who cares...
01:09:12midknight2k3yes exactly
01:09:22midknight2k3i don't mind voiding a warranty for Rockbox
01:09:30midknight2k3matter of fact
01:09:43midknight2k3Rockbox is under the list of Pros on my review :O
01:09:51midknight2k3Excellent Sound Quality, Simple Navigation, Rockbox-Enabled
01:10:27PsycoXulthere's also the fact that people have had their units serviced/replaced by both best buy and archos themselves even after using rockbox on it
01:10:37devZer0i wouldn` t wonder, if rockbox has caused significant raise of archos-jb sales
01:10:55midknight2k3yeeess I belive it has
01:11:03PsycoXuldevZer0: probably
01:11:08devZer0how would they know that rockbox was running on that?
01:11:18PsycoXuldevZer0: exactly
01:11:19midknight2k3they can't heh
01:11:31midknight2k3But there is one little thing
01:11:50PsycoXuli know one person who bought their archos on my recomendation, which i wouldn't have given if it weren't for rockbox
01:12:04midknight2k3forget it
01:12:12midknight2k3I thought my player got messesed up too
01:12:14PsycoXuli bet there's lots of such cases
01:12:17midknight2k3with that Doom joke
01:12:20devZer0i find it is a little bit poor that rockbox project doesn` t get any support from archos
01:12:40Jet8810that is pretty stupid on Archos' part
01:12:44midknight2k3I also find it poor that you're annoying me eith the ` key instead of that ' key
01:12:56devZer0psy: i know 2 of such persons
01:13:03Jet8810im not
01:13:06Jet8810I am using the ' key
01:13:11PsycoXulJet8810: devZer0 is
01:13:11Jet8810' and " key
01:13:14 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting")
01:13:15midknight2k3No i mean devguy
01:13:21Jet8810oh ok :)
01:13:35midknight2k3But man when Doom didnt work i put it in the root of Archos Recorder
01:13:48PsycoXuli was gonna try doom
01:13:55midknight2k3It wouldn't go to usb I was like 'oh crap oh crap oh CRAP'
01:14:00PsycoXulbefore i copied it over i named it doom.ajz and was gonna ROLO it
01:14:03midknight2k3how do I delete it lol
01:14:07midknight2k3yes exactly
01:14:08PsycoXuland then i decided to take a look at the source before i did
01:14:19PsycoXuland saw it was indeed a joke
01:14:25BagderI'm especially happy with the source package ;-)
01:14:27midknight2k3Finally i figured out how to get it off
01:14:29midknight2k3Here's how
01:14:33PsycoXuland never bothered to put it on the unit
01:14:38PsycoXulplug it in before booting
01:14:47*PsycoXul learned that before rockbox was rockbox
01:14:53midknight2k3BUST THE BUBBLE HUH
01:15:02midknight2k3I was GONNA make it dramatic
01:15:10midknight2k3But NOOOO that's too much to ask
01:15:13PsycoXulwell look see
01:15:20PsycoXulwe worked together now to make it even more dramatic
01:15:22midknight2k3i mean, dramatic? Whoa! That's offensive!
01:15:25PsycoXuljust look at all the drama you're spewing
01:15:31midknight2k3You know what?
01:15:34midknight2k3That's not drama
01:15:40midknight2k3It's not dramatic!
01:15:43midknight2k3You blew it
01:15:57midknight2k3I mean making it dramatic
01:15:59midknight2k3NOOO WAY!
01:16:08midknight2k3Let's let psyco go ahead and bust the bubble
01:16:15midknight2k3So that he can call it drama
01:16:21midknight2k3When it's NOT.
01:16:31PsycoXulare you on medication?
01:16:33midknight2k3oh and another thing
01:16:47midknight2k3How can you say we made it more dramatic together?
01:17:02midknight2k3It was stupid and as unnest undramatic as ever could have been
01:17:05PsycoXulif not, are you supposed to be?
01:17:53midknight2k3You know what?
01:18:01midknight2k3You're going under the CONS list for rockbox
01:18:11midknight2k3Laugh it up now eh?
01:18:21*Bagder looks at midknight2k3
01:18:29*midknight2k3 says look away
01:19:00PsycoXulwell i'm glad you consider me a feature of rockbox
01:19:04PsycoXuleven if it is a negative one
01:19:19midknight2k3YOU'RE NOT A FEATURE
01:19:23PsycoXulyou know, the universe requires balance
01:19:25midknight2k3you're a bump in the road
01:19:33midknight2k3You get your own heading
01:19:34PsycoXulif everything was all good you'd never know it
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01:19:48midknight2k3You get your own paragraph in my review
01:19:54tracktheripperHi everybody
01:19:58Bagderhi track
01:20:08midknight2k3You will be ashamed
01:20:08PsycoXulwhats even funnier
01:20:14midknight2k3That you ever messed up my drama
01:20:17PsycoXulis how i laugh right before you tell me to
01:20:24tracktheripperWhat the hell does "Editable Files" do in the Recording menus?
01:20:34midknight2k3who knows?
01:20:35Bagdertracktheripper: its just been renamed ;-)
01:20:43midknight2k3from what?
01:20:48tracktheripperyes, but what the fuck does it do?!?! :-)
01:20:51PsycoXulmidknight2k3: from "editable files"
01:21:02PsycoXulthe new name won't give you much more of a hint though
01:21:08PsycoXulbut at least it's not as specifically ambiguous
01:21:12midknight2k3Likew it's now capitalized?
01:21:28Bagderit makes the recorded files easier to edit
01:21:31midknight2k3That's it
01:21:31tracktheripperand Tetris finally works on my Recorder
01:21:32Bagderwith external tools
01:21:36tracktherippercheers Badger
01:21:40midknight2k3IT"S SO FUN TETRIS
01:21:43tracktheripperSoundforge is my editing companion
01:21:46PsycoXultetris is too small
01:21:51midknight2k3We ALL have to know!
01:21:54midknight2k3Tell us all!
01:22:04midknight2k3Tell us your editing companion!
01:22:05PsycoXuli use mpg123 -w and then sweep
01:22:06tracktheripperBadger can I submit a request "Run Soundforge on the fly?" :-)
01:22:14tracktheripperI use SOUNDFORGE :-)
01:22:19tracktheripperthe king of editors :-)
01:22:20PsycoXuli like sweep
01:22:29PsycoXuland i dislike windows
01:22:31midknight2k3Sweep the floor
01:22:39tracktheripperhi LinusN
01:22:47PsycoXulsorry that last statement was a gross understatement
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01:23:02tracktheripperthere is nothing wrong with Windows
01:23:05tracktheripperI have Windows XP
01:23:12tracktheripperbut been thinking of trying Linus though
01:23:15midknight2k3Uh oh
01:23:23PsycoXullike saying "i'm not very happy about being disemboweled"
01:23:24midknight2k3Looks liek the geeks ar going to battle it out :)
01:23:34tracktherippera mate of mine uses Linus on his system
01:23:43devZer0trackthreipper. the king of feature requests ;O) hi. why did you leave yesterday ?
01:23:46midknight2k3TELL US ALL ABOUT IT
01:23:49PsycoXulLinusN: watch out
01:23:51Bagdermidknight2k3: please cut it out
01:23:53PsycoXulLinusN: you're getting used
01:24:06tracktheripperwhat do you mean im the king of feature requests?
01:24:28midknight2k3I remember
01:24:36midknight2k3That coffee bean i ate yesterday
01:24:39devZer0because you make such crazy requests ;)
01:24:41PsycoXultracktheripper: my parents have winxp
01:24:50PsycoXultracktheripper: you can't say there's nothing wrong with it
01:24:52tracktheripperim NOT the king of feature requests as 99.999999999999% of my requests get rejected
01:24:55PsycoXulmy grandpa does too
01:25:02PsycoXulthey All have problems with it
01:25:17PsycoXulthere's plenty wrong with xp
01:25:22PsycoXuljust different wrongs than win9x
01:25:26devZer0ok, then you maybe the king of rejected feature requests ;)
01:25:39tracktheripperdon;t make me hit you :-)
01:25:54PsycoXulWindows XP has new and improved flaws
01:25:59devZer0wanna fight? c`mon! ;)
01:26:32midknight2k3pow pow
01:26:38midknight2k3psyco loses!
01:26:49midknight2k3poor scum ;)
01:26:54PsycoXulgah 20G of music and none of it seems like what i wanna listen to
01:26:58tracktheripperim off to have dinner be back later
01:27:00midknight2k3i know the feeling
01:27:02tracktheripper<−−−−- Stepped Out
01:27:24midknight2k3i meant really
01:27:31PsycoXulmidknight2k3: be nice man
01:27:37PsycoXuli've done good things for rockbox in the past
01:27:38PsycoXuli think
01:27:41midknight2k3I know
01:27:45midknight2k3the wink meant, joking
01:27:54midknight2k3Let me put it in simpler terms for you
01:28:36PsycoXuler sorry
01:28:59midknight2k3i hear you're the first one to test the player's double height capactiy eh?
01:29:00PsycoXulsee you and your um whatever behaviour has put me into a weird mood where i get into um whatever behaviour
01:29:23midknight2k3Do you have a definition for 'This Tests'?
01:30:13PsycoXulactualy i've provided a handful of ideas that've been implimented
01:30:19PsycoXulsubmitted some bug fixes
01:30:26midknight2k3i know jeeshus
01:30:40midknight2k3You know we all love you! :)))
01:30:49PsycoXuldid various odd things with code and hardware in the early days
01:30:49midknight2k3We all love Psyco don't we?
01:31:02PsycoXulwhich they looked at and gave me credit for but i don't think actualy got anything useful from :p
01:31:55midknight2k3Despite the negatives I mentioned above, the Jukebox is quite possibly the greatest piece of technological equipment I have ever owned.
01:32:04midknight2k3- Some Weird Guy With No Gadgets
01:32:12midknight2k3(not me!)
01:32:26PsycoXulwell ya know
01:32:51devZer0m2k3: yes-i love my juke-i see it like you. i never had a device which blew my mind that much :)
01:32:57PsycoXulnever before has there been a device with such high density of music
01:33:05midknight2k3that's not my quote tho!
01:33:08PsycoXulbeside the human mind of course
01:33:16midknight2k3I do love it but I didn't make that
01:33:21PsycoXulbut the music in your mind isn't as easily sharable
01:33:25devZer0heared that hitachi sells 80gb hdds (2.5")
01:33:37midknight2k3getting a bit philosophical there ;)
01:33:48Bagderthe 80GB one is pretty expensive
01:33:51PsycoXulwho is
01:34:01midknight2k3' but the music in your mind isn't as easily sharable'
01:34:17PsycoXulwhats philosophical about that?
01:34:18PsycoXulit's true
01:34:31midknight2k3i know
01:34:38midknight2k3on happier note
01:34:48PsycoXulwell the clock says it's time to cloooose noowww
01:34:49midknight2k3I'm updating MY archos review with three words
01:34:59PsycoXuli guess i better gooo, nowwww....
01:34:59midknight2k3"Beware of PsycoXul"
01:34:59devZer0apropos "music in my mind" does anybody know that song from adam f?
01:35:25PsycoXulhmm i don't think so dev
01:35:44midknight2k3What was once 'You just got to upgrade to Rockbox… You have to! (Beware of 'PsycoXul')
01:35:48midknight2k3never mind
01:35:53midknight2k3that's the finished product
01:35:53devZer0great album. my "DnB-reference" for years now...
01:36:12midknight2k3yer leaving psyco?
01:37:07PsycoXuli should call smallparts and order the stuff i need to build um... something
01:37:10midknight2k3You said it's time to go or something
01:37:15midknight2k3Tell me!
01:37:20PsycoXulno that was a song
01:37:59midknight2k3What is that blue thing?
01:38:05midknight2k3A shocker?
01:38:13PsycoXulwhat blue thing?
01:38:29midknight2k3What are you going to make?
01:38:41PsycoXuli'm not sure
01:38:55PsycoXuli've called it many things
01:39:00PsycoXulbut i couldn't say which is right if any
01:39:01midknight2k3How can you know what to make but not be suer?
01:39:09midknight2k3Give me an idea of what it is
01:39:13PsycoXulit's a funny story
01:39:18midknight2k3tell me tell me
01:39:25PsycoXuli was researching alternative sciences
01:39:34PsycoXuland a couple ideas connected in my head
01:39:36midknight2k3(brain overload)
01:39:39midknight2k3okay go on
01:39:44PsycoXuland i got this image in my head of something
01:39:56PsycoXuland that triggered the recall of a dream i had years ago
01:40:02PsycoXulwhich started in the present time
01:40:02midknight2k3go on
01:40:11PsycoXuland centered all around the thing i just got the image in my head of
01:40:20midknight2k3what the?
01:40:25PsycoXulyeah weird stuff
01:40:26midknight2k3Get to the point lol
01:40:31PsycoXulit's true though
01:40:33midknight2k3gonna build it?
01:40:41midknight2k3What was it though?
01:40:44midknight2k3What does it do?
01:41:02PsycoXulin the dream it was the first practical implimentation of a principle or principles
01:41:13PsycoXulwhich became the basis for a new technology that completely transformed the world
01:41:28PsycoXulmade government, commerce, and labor all obsolete
01:41:38PsycoXulnot to mention every aspect of technological acheivement that came before
01:41:40midknight2k3implimentation... technology.... principle(s)... transformed... labor!! AAAH! BIG WORDS!
01:41:52midknight2k3You gonna bild that?
01:41:55BoD[](so *that*'s the "psyco" in "psycoxul"?)
01:41:59tracktheripperjust had my dinner :-)
01:42:06PsycoXulyeah well we'll see if it works
01:42:06midknight2k3What was it?
01:42:10midknight2k3Green Beans?
01:42:22tracktheripperchicken and mushroom pies, chips and peas :-)
01:42:25midknight2k3You mean that you'll make it functional too?
01:42:27PsycoXulit's electromagnetic
01:42:34midknight2k3neat ripper
01:42:40midknight2k3i don't get it
01:42:42PsycoXuland i think it works partialy by some spintronic principles
01:42:49midknight2k3Draw a photo in paint and send it over lol
01:42:56PsycoXuli don't have paint
01:42:57PsycoXuli have gimp
01:43:01devZer0heard that it was the 60. birthday of LSD some days ago....mhhhh
01:43:05midknight2k3draw it then in gimp
01:43:14tracktherippermidknight one feature request that I sent that everyone liked was the Screen Invert mode :-)
01:43:16PsycoXulsee the world can't have it
01:43:25midknight2k3I loved that feature
01:43:36tracktheripperthanks 2 me :-)
01:43:41midknight2k3You had them make it?
01:43:48midknight2k3if it wasn't for you there'd be no invert?
01:44:06midknight2k3COOL DUUDE ROCK ON G DOGG
01:44:09devZer0yes - this is funny, isn` t it?
01:44:10midknight2k3I mean, neat.
01:44:18tracktheripperbut then the Player owners wanted Screen Invert as well!
01:44:30midknight2k3did they get it?
01:44:36devZer0even if you can`t code - there are things inside rb which wouldn`t be there without YOU
01:44:36midknight2k3no they didnt
01:45:23devZer0i`m not quity shure, but regarding the inverted line cursor
01:45:28midknight2k3wonder if the egg got accepted
01:45:34devZer0it was a suggestion from me some time ago.
01:45:38BoD[]question : is the "video inverse selected line" feature in the code ? or is it a patch ?
01:45:47midknight2k3is it in the dailybuilds now?
01:45:53BagderBoD[]: its in the cvs already
01:46:06midknight2k3that means that its in a dailybuild?
01:46:07BoD[]ok thank you :)
01:46:18PsycoXuli asked for an inverted char cursor years ago
01:46:20tracktheripperOne good feature request was "Increase USB1.1 file transfer speed by plugging a broadband modem into the Archos
01:46:23PsycoXulon the player
01:46:28Bagdersee my digest preview =>
01:46:28PsycoXuland i don't think it ever happened :/
01:46:51tracktheripperno. The reply was "No, USB1.1 is USB1.1 regardless over what its connected to"
01:46:52midknight2k3Wait i mean
01:47:13devZer0don` t really know, if it is in, because of this pic:
01:47:16midknight2k3will everyone quiet down one sec and let me ask one question?
01:47:27tracktheripperGo ahead midknighty
01:47:38BoD[]wow there's a digest :))
01:47:46midknight2k3Is the inverted cursor line thing in todays dailybuild?
01:47:57devZer0hey, the digest is great !
01:47:59BagderBoD[]: its not really offical yet, but I'm working on it
01:48:08PsycoXulsee isn't it funny
01:48:23tracktheripperthe IVL IS IN THE DAILY BUILDS
01:48:26midknight2k3what's different about Version 1 or 2?
01:48:42PsycoXulpeople are more excited about inverted lines and displays than a new technology that changed the world more than anything else in human history
01:48:48BoD[]bagder : ok well it's great :)
01:48:49Bagdermidknight2k3: v1 and v2 what?
01:48:59BagderBoD[]: I'm glad you like it
01:49:04PsycoXulthat's exactly why the world can't have it.
01:49:07midknight2k3devZer0's pic
01:49:16tracktheripperlol the world does love inverted lines :-)
01:49:41tracktheripperive set up the RSPCAJB
01:49:53BoD[]bagder : maybe it should be the other way (recent days go to the top of the page) ?
01:50:21BagderBoD[]: hehe, yes we've discussed that around a bit, and I'm trying this order right now on Zagor's request...
01:50:33BoD[]ah ok :)
01:50:46BagderI think I prefer the reversed order myself too
01:51:00tracktheripperBadger when can you make playlist of individual songs like in the Archos firmware?
01:51:15BoD[]yeah it's more "standard"
01:51:19Bagderwhen the code has been written and submitted, then reviewed, applied and committed
01:51:42tracktheripperwell the only way so far is to rename the QUEUE_FILE after queueing up some songs
01:51:47devZer0badger: the makefile/configure changes won`t work for me. i copied the tools-binaries to c:\cygwin\bin - but the generated Makefile still references ../tool
01:52:06BagderdevZer0: remove the tools dir too
01:52:12Bagderit checks for that one first
01:52:39devZer0mhhh - but if s.o. makes a cvs checkout he checksout toolsdir too...
01:53:13midknight2k3What does 'editable files' do?
01:53:13Bagderso why checkout the tools if he wouldn't need it?
01:53:37devZer0youre right.
01:53:47devZer0i have a checkout script in my win32 sdk.
01:53:51devZer0will remove that line
01:53:56Bagderah, right
01:53:59midknight2k3What does 'editable files' do?
01:54:12tracktheripperit makes files that can be editided
01:54:13Bagdermidknight2k3: records file more suitable for external editing
01:54:23midknight2k3How so?
01:54:33Bagdersee the digest, 21-apr-2003, item 3
01:54:37tracktherippersaves you having to decode it to WAV prior to editing :-)
01:55:13midknight2k3Would it sund better overall with it on or off
01:55:21Bagderit makes no sound diff
01:55:26devZer0badger: errrr, but configure script is in tools dir... !?
01:55:28Bagderonly a slightly bigger file, afaik
01:55:37BagderdevZer0: uuuuuh, right
01:55:43tracktheripperWhy is it that when you decode an MP3 back to WAV the file suddenly increases to sizes such as 40Mb? Where do the extra 1s and 0s come from?
01:55:51BagderdevZer0: but include only that one in the tools dir
01:55:55tracktheripperif they have been removed during compression?
01:56:29Bagdertracktheripper: they're added when uncompressed. How do you think zip files "grow" when uncompressed?
01:56:32LinusNtracktheripper: extra?
01:56:51midknight2k3be back in a bit
01:56:55midknight2k3im sur you wont miss me ;)
01:56:58tracktheripperwell when you compress a WAV to MP3, 1s and 0s are removed to make the file smaller
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01:57:20Bagderyes, and put back again when you uncompress
01:57:23tracktheripperso when you decode a MP3 back to WAV where do the "removed 1s and 0s" magically come from?
01:57:26Bagderthat's what compression is
01:57:50tracktheripperso decompressing an MP3 back to WAV restores the sound quality as well?
01:58:01tracktheripperif the missing 1s and 0s are put back?
01:58:14Bagderthey're not put back on the same place as originally
01:58:25tracktheripperyou've just contradicted yourself now :-)
01:58:42Bagderthere are lossy and non-lossy compressions
01:58:46Bagdermpeg is lossy
01:58:51BoD[]the data in a mp3 mean different things that in a wav
01:58:59tracktheripperyou said a "decompressed MP3" has the 1s and 0s put back :-)
01:59:10LinusNtracktheripper: are you kidding us?
01:59:21devZer0:) traaaack !
02:00:22tracktheripperok, so MPEG is lossy
02:00:41tracktheripperwhen a WAV is compressed some 1s and 0s are removed and discarded never to be seen again :-)
02:00:50tracktheripperthats how a file is reduced by 10 times in size
02:01:10devZer0in real, it is a little bit more complicated
02:01:14tracktheripperbut when you turn the MP3 back to WAV
02:01:34Bagderthen its just like when it makes sound from the mp3
02:01:43tracktheripperthe file size increases by 10 times, so the "discarded" 1s and 0s come running back :-)
02:02:04Bagdernot all of them
02:02:13tracktheripperso therefore sound quality is restored if the discarded data somehow returns :-)
02:02:24Bagdersince mpeg is lossy
02:02:30Bagderyou lose data on each compression
02:02:31BoD[]they are generated, and try to "sound like" the original
02:02:36tracktheripper((thumps Bagder)) :-)
02:02:47LinusNtracktheripper: i tried to explain this a while ago in the mailing list:
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02:03:54LinusNwhen you think of it, it's somewhat similar to JPEG image compression
02:04:00tracktheripperjust read it LinusN
02:04:27devZer0badger: now it works !
02:04:47devZer0will need to change rb-update script, too
02:05:10devZer0oh - signed off....whoops
02:05:58tracktheripperLinusN there is a rejected request "Auto Volume Limiter"
02:06:24tracktheripperwell isnt that what the "Auto Volume" does on the Recorders?
02:06:44tracktheripperwell the Auto Volume lowers the volume if its 2 loud
02:07:20LinusNwell, a limiter is something slightly different
02:07:28LinusNat least in my world
02:07:53tracktheripperI was thinking, it should be possible as you just prevent the volume increasing once a certain volume is reached
02:08:57LinusNbut that equalizes the volume, since it also raises the volume on silent tracks
02:09:36LinusNa limiter is only supposed to compress loud parts and keep the silent parts
02:09:37devZer0mhh - do we really miss such feature?
02:09:52LinusNi don't
02:09:52devZer0there are mp3 normalizers afaik
02:09:54tracktheripperwell we can't live without inverted video lines :-)
02:09:58devZer0me too.
02:10:18LinusNtracktheripper: did you read my explanation?
02:10:26devZer0yes. and in my world, too loud doesn`t even exist ;) i was on a party sunday evening and recognized, that "too loud" and "too loud" can be very different. really depends on the soundsystem :D
02:10:29tracktherippermakes perfect
02:10:37LinusNso no questions then
02:10:45PsycoXulyeah i think the auto-volume is more like a slow compressor or something right?
02:10:59LinusNPsycoXul: sort of
02:11:06tracktheripperok correct me if im wrong but does decompressing an MP3 require interpolation to restore missing data?
02:11:11LinusNexcept that no compression is taking place
02:11:27LinusNtracktheripper: sort of
02:11:53tracktheripperI do know what "interpolation" means :-)
02:12:15BoD[]ahah :)
02:12:47LinusNtracktheripper: the missing data isn't really restored
02:12:57tracktheripperInterpolation is when missing data is "guessed" by working out an average either side of the "missing data"
02:13:22LinusNthe missing data is removed for ever
02:14:12tracktheripperim saying when you decompress an MP3
02:15:24tracktheripperLinusN i was thinking it may be worth removing the "Codecs" part from Feature Requests since we know nothink apart from MP3 will play
02:15:37tracktheripperand you will never make it play WMA or ATRAC3 or the like
02:15:48PsycoXulthats not true
02:15:58PsycoXulthere's still a chance that some day somebody'll find out the info for programming the DSP
02:16:06PsycoXuluntill then they can keep rejecting requests if they want to
02:16:09tracktheripperwell ill believe it when I see it :-)
02:16:33PsycoXulsomebody could contact micronas
02:16:37PsycoXuland license the chip
02:16:40tracktheripperyea right
02:16:41PsycoXulso they get the SDK
02:16:50PsycoXulprobably cost a lot though
02:16:54PsycoXuland they probably make you sign and NDA
02:16:56LinusNbut we'll never be able to release the source code
02:17:00devZer0mhh - what amount will that be?
02:17:04tracktheripperbut the chip is NOT a flash chip is it?
02:17:12tracktheripperso if its not a flash chip how can it be reprogrammed?
02:17:21tracktheripperif it is hard-coded to play Mp3 and only Mp3
02:17:27LinusNwe can download code to RAM
02:17:28PsycoXulit is programmable
02:17:54PsycoXulit has a small amount of space for arbitrary code
02:18:05PsycoXulwhat is it, 1kword on the players chip, and 4kwords on the recorder's?
02:18:33LinusNPsycoXul: correct
02:18:34tracktheripperjust use the 2 lines of character cells as a peak meter on the Player :-)
02:18:36devZer0something around that. that is the reason, why ogg-vorbis never will be possible...
02:18:39tracktheripper((make it switchible of course))
02:18:54PsycoXuldevZer0: i dunno
02:19:32PsycoXulit seems like it could be possible for the firmware to manage some voodoo between the MAS chip's code ram and the unit's ram
02:19:56PsycoXulthen again maybe not
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02:20:27devZer0perhaps. i saw realtime sphere animation on c64 - so why shouldn`t Mircronas MAS do ogg-vorbis with some magic :D
02:20:48BoD[]never say never
02:21:26devZer0yes. a very basic principle!
02:23:07LinusNthe c64 sure was fun to code on
02:23:23BoD[]i still listen to c64 music
02:23:57devZer0a friend of mine is still dj`ing with that piece of hardware :)
02:23:58PsycoXuli hate BASIC
02:24:10PsycoXulyeah that SID chip makes some cool noise
02:24:16BoD[]nobody likes basic ;)
02:24:28devZer0and nobody coded in basic on c64 :)
02:25:03PsycoXuli'd like to rig up a way to control my c64's SID chip with like a keyboard or something
02:25:26PsycoXula cheap way
02:25:35devZer0look at:
02:25:47PsycoXuli know there's some sorta cards you can get for PC's that have a SID or a pair of SID's on them
02:26:43devZer0must promote my friends website a little bit :)
02:26:44PsycoXuland i've got 2 or 3 SID emulators, but they're just not the real thing heh
02:27:13BoD[]i use the emulators (sidplay)
02:27:29BoD[]i'm not sure they're accurate, but they do sound good :)
02:27:45devZer0yes. sound of them is really authentic
02:27:48BoD[]anyway the sound would differ between two actual units so...
02:28:25BoD[]i also love gameboy music by the way
02:28:44BoD[]it's amazing what they can do with that a "low" chip
02:28:54devZer0yep? you know firestARTer ? :)
02:28:56PsycoXulboth of the SID emulators i have sound different
02:29:13BoD[]firestarter ?
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02:30:10devZer0he`s the sidsyn guy and he makes gameboy music - live! :D
02:30:59PsycoXulthat "Sawtooth Bassline" sounds like the theme for Nonterraqueous
02:31:15PsycoXulwell the end does anyway
02:31:30PsycoXulPPV also had a little thing with music that sounded a lot like that as well
02:33:15PsycoXulok i guess it's all those basslines
02:33:37PsycoXulor well the last sawtooth one sounds different
02:34:41PsycoXuli can make my guitar do some interesting sounds that remind me of the SID
02:35:13devZer0yes? do you have some clips?
02:35:16LinusNPsycoXul: have you heard Machinae Supremacy?
02:35:28PsycoXulLinusN: yeah you guys gave me a website and i downloaded a few tracks
02:35:47PsycoXuldevZer0: lemme make one
02:35:56PsycoXuli got a recording, i just need to cut some of it out
02:36:07PsycoXulbut this sid_it_by_firestarter.mp3 is good
02:36:32PsycoXulR030330220716.mp3 R030331141701.mp3 R030401203238.mp3 R030401211645.mp3
02:36:32PsycoXulR030330221126.mp3 R030401201201.mp3 R030401210530.mp3
02:36:36PsycoXulwhich one's it in
02:38:30PsycoXuloh wait i already made a clip.. it's got a little more in it, and it's sorta longish for what it is but heh
02:38:56PsycoXuland wheather or not it really sounds anything like a SID may be a matter of opinion :p
02:40:22devZer0ahh. thanks
02:45:26devZer0slooow :)
02:45:40PsycoXulheh yeah sorry crappy DSL
02:47:01devZer0dsl? have dsl too, but i don`t find it crappy. it is 768/128kbit and i find it quite ok.
02:47:15PsycoXulthis is 384/96
02:47:23PsycoXulwe're too far from the CO
02:47:36PsycoXulthey shouldn't have given it to us
02:48:00LinusNmine is 512/512
02:48:03LinusNbut now i am on a crappy dialup :-(
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02:50:56devZer01sounds funny
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02:52:01devZer01what about a guest-session with "pressplayontape" ?
02:52:12LinusNkick devZer0
02:52:24devZer01yes,ok :)
02:52:31Kick(#rockbox devZer0 :LinusN) by LinusN!
02:53:03LinusNthat felt good :-)
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02:57:58devZer01linus, i`m thining about trying to implement "delete while playing hotkey" - it was a RFE by me and others like this, too. but i have no idea, which keycombination is best for that. Since there are plans to change f2 and f3 - can you give me a suggestion?
02:58:19devZer01or s/o else...
02:59:12LinusNuse any key you like, we'll change it later
03:00:26devZer01I didn`t look at the code yet, but is there a global "key concept" in rockbox? i.e. how keyboard input & stuff is handled?
03:00:54devZer01can i find that out easily? i want to be conform with your concepts
03:02:47LinusNwe are developing a concept now, and it will be published and discussed very soon
03:03:06devZer01should i better wait then?
03:03:44devZer01perhaps this saves work for both - me and the others...
03:04:06LinusNyour call
03:04:41devZer01ok :)
03:04:45LinusNgotta sleep now
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03:06:07devZer01will do that too - goodnight & bye
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09:34:47Bagderhi Quelsaruk
09:35:04Quelsaruki have a question about the manual
09:35:46Quelsarukshould we have 1 'current version' manual and a 'bleeding edge manual'?
09:36:18Bagderone for 2.0 and one for the bleeding edge, yes
09:36:30Quelsarukor could we for example write all new features commited to cvs in blue?
09:36:54BagderI vote for two files
09:38:39Schnueffhm, Bagder, what about reversing order on news.html?
09:38:44BagderZagor: would you mind if I changed head.t to allow local CSS files in the web tree?
09:38:48Schnueffgood or no good?
09:39:06ZagorBagder: any specific reason?
09:39:07BagderSchnueff: yeah, everyone except Zagor prefer that, including me ;-)
09:39:28BagderZagor: it would perhaps make the global one less cluttered
09:39:45Bagderthus allow me to play around like a mad man in the digest folder on my own
09:40:37ZagorBagder: ok. but I'd prefer if all pages use the same global css once you've done experimenting
09:40:57Bagderwell it would use the global one plus a local one in that case
09:41:34Zagoris it so much that is explicitly digest-only?
09:42:09Zagorputting it locally only means more work when/if we want to reuse it somewhere else
09:44:59Bagderok, I'll scrap it
09:45:24Bagderbut I'll use the previous order of items
09:45:33Bagderthe most recent on top
09:48:22BagderI've made a set of macros for my editing use anyway, so I can easily define all classes etc
10:05:31matslZagor: tried the ajz?
10:05:58Bagderanyone has any comments on the digest before I fire away an announcement to the list about it?
10:07:32Quelsarukwhich digest?
10:07:43Bagderoh check out this =>
10:08:25Zagormatsl: ah, no i forgot. will test now.
10:08:50ZagorBagder: it's the wrong order :-)
10:09:12Bagderyou've been voted down
10:09:56Quelsaruki will close my big mouth and make no comments on this ;)
10:10:27Bagderall dates are anchors, for easy linking
10:11:09HesVery Cool. The digest, that is.
10:11:23matslBagder: looks good. hope you'll have the time to keep it updated ;-)
10:11:35Bagderyeah, the future will tell
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10:13:16Bagderit isn't that hard, if I just keep it updated all the time and don't get lagged behind
10:14:08Zagorno more vacations for you ;)
10:14:28Bagderoops ;-)
10:18:42BagderI'll just have to trust that people will back me up when I fail to keep up myself
10:19:54Zagordoes anyone know which kernel redhat 9.0 uses?
10:20:16Bagderlemme check...
10:21:29Bagdernah, can't seem to find it
10:21:36BagderI think it is 2.4.20
10:21:50Bagderrh-patched of course
10:21:59Zagorright. 2.4.20-8
10:22:43Zagorthen my patch should apply cleanly
10:23:02Bagderunless the rh did something there
10:23:24Bagdernot very likely of course
10:23:40Bagdergot any comments on it?
10:24:01Zagorno. that part of the code is a dark dusty corner nobody ever touches. :-)
10:24:57Zagorno comments yet
10:24:57ZagorI expect to have to resubmit it a few times :-)
10:25:11Zagori'll announce it on the rockbox and archos list too.
10:25:11Bagderisn't there a dedicated maintainer?
10:25:22Zagorno, only for the vfat portion.
10:25:52Bagderbtw, there was a neat linux journal article on 2.6 in the recent issue
10:26:05Bagdergood for an outsider
10:26:06Zagori mailed the vfat maintainer months ago, but never got reply so I'm not sure how active he is anyway
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10:33:54calpefroschhi Zagor
10:34:11calpefroschdo you have some time today
10:34:32Zagoryes, I think so. at least now... :-)
10:35:11calpefroschok, then. this search is working for me, but Ih think it should be more "rockbox-like"
10:36:10calpefroschhanging in the menu, using the .rockbox-dir and starting to play immediately
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10:36:45calpefroschI don't know how to extend the menu
10:37:25Zagorsorry, I haven't tried the search yet. you have to be more specific.
10:38:12calpefroschi have created a over-all playlist with "find -name *.mp > search.idx"
10:39:09calpefroschand then I can search for some text with my recorder - all lines containing this word are copied to another playlist
10:39:23calpefrosche.g. result.m3u
10:40:07calpefroschbut now I start the search when clicking on this .idx-file
10:40:23calpefroschthere should be a menu "search"
10:40:57calpefroschand the index-file could be (re)build with rockbox
10:41:12calpefroschlike the updatedb / locate thing in lunix
10:41:18calpefroschups, linux
10:41:29calpefroschi this ok ?
10:41:45*calpefrosch is orting his fingers
10:41:56PsycoXulyou mean like going to the root, selecting "create playlist" and then renaming root.m3u to search.idx or somesuch?
10:41:58BagderI like the simplicity
10:42:12PsycoXulor did i miss something heh
10:42:27Zagorlook in apps/main_menu.c
10:42:27Zagorthe menu definition is at the bottom
10:42:27Zagorit's simply { "menu string", menu_function }
10:43:24calpefroschyes,ok. and you would include it in the cvs ? Or should I commit it ?
10:44:08calpefroschBagder: what do you prefer ?
10:44:20Zagorcalpefrosch: i'd like it as a patch first, so we can have some discussion about it
10:44:48calpefroschnp, I will user constant english strings first
10:45:38ZagorPsycoXul: you're right
10:46:14calpefroschwhat do you think about an extended version. we could add some id3-tags into the idx-file
10:47:07calpefroschwith a bash-script
10:47:08Schnueffthere's an .m3u format with additional info
10:47:24Schnueffi think its supported by winamp
10:47:46calpefroschhmm, I would cut the info when creating the result playlist
10:47:48Zagorcalpefrosch: yes, that would be very good.
10:47:52Schnueffit has tags on line starting with #
10:47:57SchnueffEXTINFO and similar
10:47:58ZagorI don't like patched .m3u files
10:48:11Schnueffit's not my idea :)
10:48:12Zagorfor one, they suck searching in
10:48:31Schnueffbut they solve the sorting problem
10:48:44Schnueff(sort by id3 track number)
10:49:07Zagorno they don't
10:49:27Zagorplaylists solve the number sort issue. extra info doesn't.
10:49:51Schnueffisnt it possible to sort they playlist after loading?
10:50:00Zagornot in rockbox
10:50:10calpefroschone last question, then I have to go into an meeting... :-(
10:50:15Schnueffif its less than buffer size?
10:51:00Schnueffhm but extra info will blow up playlist size considerably
10:51:04calpefroschshould I create a constant filename ? ( result.m3u ) or ask for the name ?
10:51:25Zagorconstant name, imho. asking is too tedious.
10:51:36Schnueffmaybe ah config-file option
10:51:37Zagorthe result can always be renamed if you want to keep it.
10:51:45calpefroschahh, yes
10:52:29calpefroschthe playlist-browser is still missing... I will do it later, first i hav to get closer to the API
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11:17:51*Zagor commits the weekend patches
11:23:23Zagorlanghaarrocker: you can now change wormlet to use 4-direction controls even in 2-player mode.
11:24:07langhaarrockerI thought the remote didn't have enough buttons
11:24:38Zagorit now, with my latest patch, has dedicated button codes. so PLAY on the remote is distinguishable from PLAY on the main unit
11:29:42*langhaarrocker had to search for a pic of the remote to ensure it really has many buttons
11:29:57langhaarrockerWhy do you impose work on me? ;)
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11:31:25Bagderdwihno: you have a weird host mask
11:31:49langhaarrockerdon't eat fish!
11:32:29dwihnoBagder: no way
11:32:34dwihnoI DO
11:32:41dwihnofishy :)
11:33:13Bagderand logbot is the paranoid type, he doesn't trust you then
11:42:08#>>"the paranoid one?" by quel|out (
11:42:40quel|outi've been working hard to be the craziest and most paranoic guy here :P
11:43:04quel|outbtw, i've repaired my queue issue :)
11:43:23Bagderwhat solved it?
11:43:35quel|outformating the unit
11:44:00dwihnoAdd that to the FAQ :-)
11:44:13dwihno(and nag linus' about merging my recording-invert patch) ;)
11:44:33quel|outbut i had to sacrifice a goat
11:44:49Bagderoh no, not one of the old ones?
11:45:28quel|outafter formatting it, and copying my 24 GB of heavy metal, the drive made some kind of nasty noise.. something like "tick.. tick,,,"
11:45:40quel|outand i couldn't spin it up
11:46:06quel|outi had to use little "Danielito" ;)
11:46:40Bagderdanielito? is that me when I'm small? ;-)
12:03:30dwihnoI have a question.
12:03:37dwihnoI malloc() a HUGE block of memory.
12:03:45dwihnoThis far, everything is OK
12:04:09langhaarrockermalloc? in Rockbox? Isn't that a nono?
12:04:17dwihnoThen when I start to fill the data, it breaks when I've reached 4426800 of 500000000
12:04:24dwihnoJust ansi stuff
12:05:04langhaarrockerso its about malloc in non-rockbox-code?
12:05:48dwihnoyes :-)
12:06:04dwihnoAnd since everybody here are experts, it's nice to find a bollplank.
12:06:54*langhaarrocker hides
12:07:12Bagderit sure sounds odd
12:08:58dwihnoWindows evil ? :)
12:09:12Bagdernot even windows should be that evil
12:10:18langhaarrockerHow do you verify that there was enough memory available?
12:11:38dwihnoI just check if I get a pointer :)
12:11:50dwihnoif (!ptr) die() :)
12:13:08*langhaarrocker must eat
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12:52:55Zagoroops, red build
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13:15:48tracktheripperjust playing with the "Caption Backlight"
13:17:14langhaarrockerBagder: wasn't it you who made the daily builds page?
13:18:58Zagoryes it was
13:21:06langhaarrockerDid he use some kind of tool or was it hand made?
13:22:06Zagorperl :)
13:22:42Zagoractually bagder made the compile status matrix, I did the rest of the page.
13:23:15langhaarrockerExactly that matrix is what I'm interested in. Would he mind sharing the code? :)
13:24:00BagderI wouldn't
13:24:09Bagderbut it is pretty rockbox-centric
13:24:38langhaarrockerBut it doesn't depend on sh1 code, does it? :)
13:25:05Bagderit analyzes the gcc output basicly
13:25:55BagderI could make you a package and mail over and you can check for yourself
13:26:00langhaarrockerIf it doesn't make no much trouble: phil at
13:26:48*Zagor is in commit mode today
13:27:08BagderZagor: have a go at the css for the digest too, if you feel like it
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13:33:25Bagderlanghaarrocker: mail sent
13:36:40Bagderthe dates in the digest shouldn't be underlined I guess
13:39:52BagderI made the most commonly mentioned names macros, so that I can use short forms in my edits
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14:01:42langhaarrockerBagder thanks!
14:01:42langhaarrockerAll: bye, must go paragliding :)
14:02:03Bagderhave fun
14:02:08langhaarrockerI will
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14:24:10Bagderthat peer guy is always resetting connections
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14:40:12Zagorpeer is evil
14:42:02quel|outpeer == zagor ?
14:42:46quel|outtime to go home for lunch...
14:42:51Zagorssh! :)
14:43:02quel|outcu later!
14:43:05Zagori'd die from starvation if I was spanish ;)
14:43:12quel|outnot really
14:43:14dwihnoOr those hot tamales :)
14:43:40quel|outbtw, Zagor, make a copy of cvs before my first test ;)
14:43:58Zagorbe here and we'll walk you through it
14:44:15quel|outdon't worry.. i'm coming back at 4
14:44:29quel|outand i'll ask you nearly everything :)
14:44:50dwihnoZagor: I'll mail you a patch, just for kuriosa :-)
14:45:57dwihnoZagor: *bling bling*
14:46:46dwihnoUnless you have some filter to kill *ass* ;-)
14:49:07ZagorBagder: stop editing news.t :-)
14:49:31dwihnoThere's always more news!
14:49:38dwihnoWhat do you guys think about the hockey game tonight?
14:49:51Zagorthere's a hockey game?
14:49:56Zagorwhat's hockey?
14:50:01Bagderis that a game?
14:50:28dwihnoAh. I forgot you were non-swedish... :-)
14:50:31dwihnoSince swedes love hockey.
14:50:47*Zagor is elbonian
14:51:02*Bagder is bork bork borkian
14:51:59dwihnothe rockbox daily news should be mentioned on the main page btw. along with a link in the navigation
14:52:12dwihno(but again, that's just what I think would be neato)
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15:06:25dwihnoHe didn't like my patch :(
15:06:42Bagderzagor's modified the main.t file locally again...
15:06:47Bagderfor the main web page
15:07:16Bagderah no
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16:13:49quelsaruki'm back... to brincg chaos to CVS ;)
16:20:17quelsarukany cygwin user here?
16:21:57quelsarukdo u use cygwin?
16:25:44dwihnothe cygwin sdk thingy
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16:46:47matslZagor: have you run out of batteries now?
16:48:44Zagoruh, no. :-)
16:48:50Zagortesting now. really...
16:50:12Zagorugh, got bitten by the fat write delay :)
16:50:27matslZagor: terrible thing to test really. code inspection might be easier.
16:51:26matslZagor: and your latest ci probably ruined the patch completely anyway. I will have to merge manually again :-(
16:54:45Zagormatsl: well, what does this patch do?
16:55:21quelsarukquery Zagor
16:55:42Zagorwooo, crazy hacker you!
16:56:04quelsarukit was not me
16:56:09*quelsaruk points dwihno
16:56:25quelsarukhe is the one ;)
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17:09:20quel|outtime to go to the stable and choose a goat ;)
17:22:05matslZagor: the same code is used for both player and recorder plus some player code optimizations.
17:23:09Zagorok. well it looks like it's working... :-)
17:35:37matslZagor: So I'm free to merge and check in then ;-)
17:39:34Zagornah, mail it to me or post it on the tracker. i'd like to have a look if you don't mind.
17:40:29Zagorgotta go
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20:25:50Bagderhey Z
20:26:21Bagdera quick q: when we keyrepeat, do we only return keypresses then?
20:26:30BagderI mean, no releases
20:26:45BagderI have a functioning repeat in the sim here
20:27:34Bagderjust some details remaning
20:28:02Zagorany possibility for combined keys?
20:28:38Bagderwe could do that
20:28:47Bagderwe get separate events for presses and releases
20:30:13BagderI also made the playlist code never close the playlist
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20:30:35Zagorah, goodie
20:30:43Bagderhard to tell if there's any speed diff
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20:34:53Bagdertoo bad fast forward still bugs in the sim
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20:38:34bu88a1Anyone out there got an idea of typical max recording times on a JBR 20
20:38:50Zagorbu88a1: max recording times?
20:38:52Bagderuse the charger and you can record until your disk is full
20:39:17Zagorwe might have a 2G file size problem
20:39:20bu88a1If I'm at a show I don't have access to 120V for charger ops.
20:39:26Zagorhaven't really looked into it
20:39:52Zagorbu88a1: I think you should get 6-8 hours at least
20:39:53bu88a1What about an external battery pack what would something like that be.
20:39:56Bagderbu88a1: well, I think you can get many hours at least, depending on your batteries
20:40:32bu88a12100 mAh batteries and I'm getting only 1 hour or so thus far
20:40:39Zagorbu88a1: you could hook up a car battery to the charger port... :-)
20:40:44Zagoronly one hour?!?
20:41:07bu88a1Yea I get rec wrt -132 and -122 errors after about 1 hr.
20:41:19Zagorah, well those are bugs. not battery problems.
20:41:44bu88a1I thought that also so I'm running a test with the Archos firmware now.
20:42:00Zagorif you can, try a reformat. it has fixed many filesystem problems.
20:42:02bu88a147 minutes so far with no problems.
20:42:36bu88a1I checked the file system totally prior to the test recording
20:43:54bu88a1Does anyone know if it is possible to use an external say 12v battery plugged into the chrg port to power the archos longer?
20:44:01Zagorall panics are bugs, no question. but a reformat could be a workaround until we find and fix it/them
20:44:14Zagorbu88a1: yes, that should work
20:44:23ZagorI use a 12V charger all the time
20:45:08bu88a1What about an external 12v lead acid battery avail from Radio Shack and plug it into the DC in ?
20:45:24ZagorI don't see why that should be a problem
20:46:08bu88a1I thought that I might need to place circuitry between Battery and Archos.
20:46:15Zagorhowever, it will not make the panics go away since those are software bugs
20:46:38Zagorno, that shouldn't be necessary. the archos contains a charging regulator.
20:47:05bu88a1I understand about the *Panics* I will wait for news on the bug fixing front.
20:47:43bu88a1So the Archos charging circuitry should regulate the input from the 12v to ~ 350 just as it does for the charger?
20:47:55bu88a1Thanks all.
20:48:31Zagoryes it should
20:49:00bu88a1As always a very responsive group. Thanks again.
20:50:00bu88a1ok by
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22:07:09[rabble]any ideas?
22:07:22[rabble]HD register error?
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22:08:48[rabble]Does anyone know what "HD register error" when I plug USB in means?
22:11:46[rabble]anyone around today?
22:21:01Zagor"hd register error" is something the archos firmware says. try connecting usb while rockbox is running.
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22:25:18[rabble]I can't get Rockbox on there until I can start it up..
22:25:38[rabble]Or should I just do the HDD upgrade and put it on with my 2.5"-3.5" adapter?
22:25:41Zagorah, ok.
22:26:03[rabble]I just got it, wanted to check it out before I did the HDD and Rockbox firmware upgrades..
22:26:28[rabble]any ideas?
22:26:40Zagorhave you charged the batteries fully?
22:26:46[rabble]nope, just came in the mail..
22:27:16[rabble]What does it do when it's charging? The green light comes on when I plug the adapter in, but the screen says nothing until I try to plug USB in (which is when I get the HD register error)
22:29:43Zagorreally? well you should charge it for a few hours first, since the disk will have trouble spinning up without charged batteries.
22:29:53[rabble]I suppose that's a good point
22:30:02[rabble]Is there any indicator that it is charging besides the green light?
22:30:11[rabble]Is the screen supposed to be saying anything?
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22:30:53Zagoryes, normally the screen indicates charging too
22:31:06Zagorwhich model do you have?
22:31:11[rabble]6000 recorder
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22:31:38Zagorso you've never actually seen anything on the display yet?
22:31:48Zagorah, hd reg error :-)
22:31:52[rabble]Yeah, it gives me the HD register error when I plug the USB in
22:31:56[rabble]hehe, yup
22:32:02Zagorwell at least then we know the screen is working :)
22:32:09[rabble]at least that!
22:32:33ZagorI would give it a couple of hours in the charger
22:32:50[rabble]The "on" button won't work the only way I can get it to turn on is plugging USB in
22:33:04[rabble]But is it charging if it doesn't say anything?
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22:34:19Zagori don't know. i guess the only way to find out is to leave it a while and see if things improve.
22:34:25[rabble]hehe, I guess so..
22:34:30[rabble]is that normal for it not to show anything?
22:34:55[rabble]could it be that they're just incredibly dead batteries?
22:35:03Zagoryeah, it could
22:35:12[rabble]okey, I'll let it charge for a bit..
22:35:15[rabble]thanks for the help..
22:35:20Zagoryou're welcome
22:35:27[rabble]I'lll probably be back in a bit when I still can't figure it out..
22:36:04Zagorsure. i'm off to bed in about an hour, but i'll be back in 8-10 hours
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22:56:08Zagorwelcome back Bagder
22:56:33BagderI came to think of a flaw in the playlist commit I did
22:57:28Bagderit closes file handle zero at start up
22:57:52Zagorhehe, oops
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22:59:41BagderI had an idea that rolo could use the splash screen for its displaying
22:59:53Bagderthen it struck me the splash is apps code, while rolo is firmware...
23:00:46Bagderand then I couldn't think of a nice solution for it
23:05:47BagderI think we could make it in a way similar to how the mpeg uses playlist code
23:06:10Bagderas we provide a function pointer for it to call
23:06:18Zagoryeah, but is it worth it?
23:06:29Bagdernah, true
23:07:59Bagdererror: max firmware size is 200KB!
23:08:17Bagderyou heard any news on sokoban loading lately?
23:19:47BagderZagor: btw, I now mark the names in the digest too, we should make a css class for them too
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23:32:15devZer0moinmoin :)
23:32:39devZer0hi again :)
23:34:09devZer0phew. back from my sister. she is a computer banause :) showed her irc - hey, that`s 50 servers with 30000 channels and 120000 communicating with that.... and she just shook her head :D
23:34:38devZer0we are nerds.... :D
23:37:30PsycoXulwe're geeks
23:37:54PsycoXulnerds are all like uptight and nerdy... geeks are just smart
23:38:45devZer0ok- you`re right psy :)
23:39:19PsycoXulso what'd you think of that erm "clip" i sent you?
23:39:30PsycoXulyou can say it sucks, it was all just improv while high... heh
23:39:41devZer0hey - really weird stuff ;)
23:39:54devZer0just sounds
23:40:10devZer0i was not able to recognize any beat or melody :D
23:40:19PsycoXulreally? heh
23:40:24PsycoXulnot even at the end?
23:40:34devZer0mhh.will listen again
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23:41:16PsycoXulit was with a slide and a handfull of effects
23:41:43devZer0ok - make a song from that sounds and send it again ;)
23:42:07devZer0but - however - it really sounds interesting - and is indeed a little bit 64`alike
23:43:59devZer0what? do you need some plaudit ?
23:44:02hardeepI wonder where ricII went... he was pretty much finished with the dynamic playlist code before he disappeared... that would be a nice feature to have for 2.1
23:44:23PsycoXulnah heh
23:44:30*Bagder had almost forgot about him
23:45:02devZer0i don`t get plaudit, too :) rockbox guys don`t even honour patches from me ;)
23:45:43devZer0perhaps s/o gives me some write access to cvs :D
23:46:03devZer0and i will possibly screw up repository completely :D
23:48:15devZer0mhh - 18 people here - and all lurking around
23:51:11PsycoXulok thats weird
23:51:32PsycoXultrying to build hydrogen CVS and i get an 'undefined macro: AC_Dest' but there's no occurance of AC_Dest anywhere in the source heh
23:51:33devZer0ok - will put some sensless traffic on this channel :D
23:53:19devZer0who are these guys? ? björn?linus?daniel?mr.archos?
23:53:43Bagderlinus to the left, Björn on the right
23:54:26BagderI believe I took the picture
23:54:32devZer0ah :) that isn` coce in the glasses, isn`t it? or what made you build a tower from jb`s ?
23:55:11PsycoXulif you had all theme jukebox's, wouldn't you wanna build something out of them?
23:55:38devZer0i would link them together and build a clusterjb
23:57:05Zagorbeowulf! ;)
23:57:20Bagderis there anything like a rss validator?
23:57:31devZer0what is rss?
23:58:35Bagderits a format to store stuff for easy "syndication"
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