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| 01:29:12 | devZer0 | guys, you are tooooo silent today ;) |
| 01:29:20 | jzoss | I'm here! =) |
| 01:29:43 | devZer0 | hey :) OOOONE ! |
| 01:29:52 | jzoss | noooo... TWO ! woohoo! |
| 01:30:06 | devZer0 | who is it |
| 01:30:11 | devZer0 | ? |
| 01:30:21 | jzoss | devZer0 + me. hehe |
| 01:31:07 | devZer0 | ok. lets do our personal monologue :D |
| 01:31:30 | jzoss | alas, devZer0, I knew him well... |
| 01:31:39 | jzoss | (hamlet) |
| 01:32:29 | devZer0 | eerrr, what? alas? hamlet? don`t understand you here |
| 01:33:05 | jzoss | nevermind. Hamlet is a play, that was a (paraphrase) of a famous line from that play. |
| 01:33:44 | devZer0 | "personal monologue" ? |
| 01:34:04 | jzoss | Yeah, that was just the first thing that popped into my head that was monologue-ish. |
| 01:35:53 | devZer0 | ah.well :) i`m a banause concerning such. errr, whait a minut. hamlet was from shakespeare, but i don`t really know what`s it all about. wasn`t it that guy talking to the skull? 2 beer or not 2 beer.... ? :D |
| 01:36:07 | jzoss | right right! |
| 01:36:59 | devZer0 | ok. think we shouldn`t talk here about that. |
| 01:37:04 | devZer0 | :) |
| 01:37:23 | jzoss | fair 'nough. |
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| 01:37:52 | devZer0 | what you`re doing jzoss? just sitting on this list and having some smalltalk? ;) |
| 01:37:57 | devZer0 | hi BoD |
| 01:38:02 | BoD[] | yo ! |
| 01:38:10 | jzoss | I'm getting Linux back installed, actually. |
| 01:38:26 | jzoss | Upgraded my computer a week or two ago, and am just getting everything put back together again |
| 01:38:29 | devZer0 | did you have a nice time with li`l m2k3 ? :D |
| 01:38:47 | devZer0 | jz: it |
| 01:38:59 | jzoss | ?? |
| 01:38:59 | devZer0 | it`s always the same when reinstalling pcs... :D |
| 01:39:09 | jzoss | yah. |
| 01:39:09 | BoD[] | dev: who me ? |
| 01:39:25 | devZer0 | yes :) |
| 01:39:36 | jzoss | I goofed this time and screwed up my XP MBR with lilo. Whoops! But everyone's happy now. |
| 01:39:41 | BoD[] | yes he's fun :) |
| 01:40:41 | devZer0 | bod: he`s a little bit impatient. but you`e right :) |
| 01:40:59 | BoD[] | :) |
| 01:41:40 | devZer0 | jz: since i use vmware i don` t have a problem with screwed up mbr`s anymore :D |
| 01:42:03 | devZer0 | and reinstalling my os is just a matter of uncompressing my vmdk from cd :) |
| 01:42:04 | jzoss | yah. I'm just a cheapskate. I don't wanna spring for vmware. =) |
| 01:42:33 | devZer0 | vmware is really worth it`s money |
| 01:43:04 | jzoss | Use it at work sometimes |
| 01:43:59 | devZer0 | use it everyday. my f....k outlook is running within that - constantly crashing :) |
| 01:44:37 | jzoss | hehe. funfun. That's my least favorite thing about dual-booting. Trying to come up with a sane way to share mail. |
| 01:45:41 | BoD[] | and i also want a news server that can remember which articles i've already read ... |
| 01:46:02 | devZer0 | good idea :D |
| 01:46:40 | jzoss | right. I've tried the "use netscape on win & linux" method, but it still seems too limiting. |
| 01:46:50 | BoD[] | i can't believe that just doesn't exist in 2003 :) |
| 01:46:52 | devZer0 | but this exists ! |
| 01:47:10 | devZer0 | google remembers all articles you read ! |
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| 01:47:20 | devZer0 | unfortunately, it won`t let you know :D |
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| 01:58:48 | devZer0 | schlafmützen hier alle, herschaftzgzeiten nomma! |
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| 02:00:58 | BoD[] | hey did you see the new ipods ? http://www.apple.com/ipod/ |
| 02:01:09 | BoD[] | but they still can't record ... |
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| 02:03:47 | devZer0 | thanks. will take a look at. i like ipods. design is coool! |
| 02:07:58 | BoD[] | yes and it doesn't take 30 seconds to boot ;) |
| 02:08:38 | BoD[] | it's superior to archos models in many ways ... including price :) |
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| 02:12:39 | devZer0 | what does it cost? |
| 02:12:53 | BoD[] | i'm not sure |
| 02:13:00 | BoD[] | but it's not cheap i can tell you that :) |
| 02:13:21 | devZer0 | but it is better manufactured |
| 02:13:36 | devZer0 | archos quality is really poor |
| 02:13:57 | BoD[] | very true |
| 02:14:08 | BoD[] | that's why my unit is still defective :( |
| 02:14:29 | devZer0 | what happened to it? |
| 02:15:05 | BoD[] | it keeps rebooting for no particular reason in the middle of songs |
| 02:15:35 | BoD[] | i opened it and saw that the battery back panel was not properly soldered |
| 02:15:44 | BoD[] | so i soldered it back |
| 02:15:44 | devZer0 | even if you don` t touch it? |
| 02:16:01 | BoD[] | and .... it doesn't work better now |
| 02:16:20 | BoD[] | sometimes when I don't touch it .. but most of the times it's when I move it |
| 02:16:51 | BoD[] | for example i can't walk with it in my pocket.. i have to handle it in my hand or else it reboots again and again |
| 02:17:30 | devZer0 | you should solder all the soldering spots again. :) |
| 02:18:13 | BoD[] | i think so |
| 02:18:26 | BoD[] | but it's stupid there is too much pressure on this panel ! |
| 02:18:50 | BoD[] | when you put the batteries it's just too tight, no wonder why it get unsoldered ! |
| 02:19:23 | devZer0 | yes. |
| 02:19:47 | devZer0 | when i took a look into my jb it was my first thought |
| 02:20:08 | BoD[] | it's just stupid :) |
| 02:20:31 | BoD[] | they could have added one milimiter and it would have been allright |
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| 02:24:41 | devZer0 | yes, agree! |
| 02:26:23 | devZer0 | archos could be MUCH better if they had spent some little effort. furthermore, the case is really sleazy |
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| 02:36:06 | BoD[] | yup :) anyway i have to go to bed now !! |
| 02:36:11 | BoD[] | see you all, bye ! |
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| 02:37:14 | devZer0 | good idea. cya/2 :D |
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| 04:08:17 | Cody | I just bought a archos off ebay, only problem is it doesn't have a link cable, what type of cable is it |
| 04:08:44 | Cody | i know it's USB, but is it standard usb, or is it different on the archos end (mine hasn't arrived yet) |
| 04:10:03 | jzoss | yup. Standard usb |
| 04:10:18 | jzoss | Same plug both ends |
| 04:10:32 | Cody | ohh, that's interesting |
| 04:10:41 | jzoss | Not the kind that has a tiny end, or the kind with a squarish-end. Both ends look like the one that plugs into your PC |
| 04:10:51 | Cody | right |
| 04:11:21 | Cody | that's what it looked like from the picture, i just wanted to be sure |
| 04:11:32 | Cody | that's cool, i can make one of those pretty easily |
| 04:11:43 | jzoss | yah. When's your archos showing up? |
| 04:11:46 | Cody | wed |
| 04:11:52 | jzoss | woohoo!! |
| 04:12:25 | Cody | what would you consider a decent price for a used archos 10gb |
| 04:12:50 | jzoss | I paid like $180 for my 15GB new. |
| 04:13:14 | jzoss | So maybe $100-$120-ish for a 10GB used?? {shrug} I don't know, really |
| 04:13:14 | Cody | comes with software, headphones, and ac adapter? |
| 04:13:34 | Cody | i paid 135, so, that's not that far off |
| 04:13:46 | jzoss | Yah., but the software isn't necessary (is just a standard USB harddrive), and the headphones are crappy |
| 04:13:51 | jzoss | So you're not missing much there. |
| 04:14:01 | Cody | that's sort of what i figured |
| 04:14:20 | jzoss | Standard AC adapter should work, as long as you get the right voltage (9-10V or so)... |
| 04:14:35 | Cody | so it should just work in fbsd too because it's just a usb hd, that's cool |
| 04:14:56 | jzoss | The AC-adaptor they supply actually doesn't supply enough current to keep up with the device's full draw (harddrive up and spinning). |
| 04:15:21 | jzoss | So for long transfers (the initial fill-up), sometimes people's batteries run dry even while it's plugged into the wall! =) |
| 04:15:33 | Cody | heh |
| 04:15:53 | Cody | well again, i' |
| 04:16:03 | Cody | ve got 9v transformers i can use |
| 04:16:08 | jzoss | yup. |
| 04:16:52 | Cody | how's the line out on them |
| 04:17:44 | Cody | sufficient for plugging in to a car stereo? |
| 04:17:58 | jzoss | I don't think the recorders (as opposed to the players) have a line-out. Just a headphone-out. |
| 04:18:13 | Cody | well this isn't a recorder |
| 04:18:15 | Cody | just the player |
| 04:18:17 | jzoss | My recorder's headphone-out is sufficient for plugging into the stereo. |
| 04:18:25 | Cody | ohh, gotcha |
| 04:18:33 | jzoss | I dunno about the player, but I would assume so. If not, you can use the headphone jack. =) |
| 04:19:15 | Cody | is there any difference between the "studio" and the normal player |
| 04:19:42 | jzoss | I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. I think the studio's more recent... |
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| 04:20:17 | Cody | how rugged are we talking? |
| 04:20:41 | jzoss | pretty flimsy construction. Buttons feel "shaky", and weak plastic. |
| 04:20:45 | jzoss | But the bumpers help. |
| 04:20:49 | Cody | ok |
| 04:21:26 | Cody | any idea how well those car remote things they have for them, pan out? |
| 04:21:38 | jzoss | I don't worry too much about throwing mine in a coat pocket, or in a backpack, but I wouldn't trust dropping it from any significant height. =) |
| 04:22:13 | jzoss | I don't know. There's some support for the remote in rockbox, but I'm not sure how much. |
| 04:22:31 | jzoss | The remote buttons aren't unlocked when the devices is in keylock mode, for instance |
| 04:23:08 | thu | argh don't mention dropping stuff from backpacks :-\ |
| 04:23:21 | jzoss | sorry. Bad associations? |
| 04:23:31 | thu | my backpack opened and I dropped a 120G drive on the pavement |
| 04:23:38 | jzoss | eeeeek! |
| 04:23:58 | thu | heh.. right in front of the airport |
| 04:24:10 | thu | after it got through checks and everything |
| 04:24:47 | jzoss | I was on a roadtrip and brought my palm pilot along with everyone's phone numbers I needed to contact (friends I was meeting, staying with, etc). At my first stop, my friend dropped it, and the batteries fell out, and I lost everything. So I feel your pain (even though mine was recoverable) |
| 04:25:03 | thu | don't mention palm pilots either :) |
| 04:25:12 | thu | or visors to be precise |
| 04:25:26 | thu | I took mine with me w/ a modem and keyboard and everything |
| 04:25:34 | thu | so I can get online from where I was |
| 04:25:49 | thu | I plugged in the modem, unrecoverable error, lost all my data |
| 04:25:58 | thu | => 10+ days with no net |
| 04:26:19 | thu | my archos is the luckiest device ever so far |
| 04:26:33 | thu | it's still in one piece, no major dives, no major errors |
| 04:26:34 | jzoss | Bleh. I know someone like that... technology runs in fear whenever she comes near. =) |
| 04:26:45 | thu | :-) |
| 04:27:26 | thu | I wonder how shock resistant is the archos |
| 04:27:36 | thu | I wouldn't wanna test though |
| 04:27:40 | jzoss | 46.2381 |
| 04:27:46 | jzoss | just kidding. ;) |
| 04:27:50 | Cody | heh |
| 04:27:53 | thu | heh |
| 04:28:15 | thu | hmm I could start a gallery |
| 04:28:20 | thu | 3 dead mp3 cdplayers |
| 04:28:28 | thu | 1 dropped from a moving car |
| 04:28:41 | jzoss | how??? Hanging out a window? |
| 04:28:45 | thu | 1 wouldn't start anymore |
| 04:28:48 | Cody | I might just have to look in to a special case or something, cause i two am natorious for killing portable audio equipment |
| 04:28:58 | thu | 1 with bad lcd |
| 04:29:06 | thu | umm I think I had it in the door pocket |
| 04:29:11 | jzoss | ah. |
| 04:29:14 | thu | and I tried to open/close the door or something |
| 04:29:51 | thu | my archos is 5 months old now |
| 04:29:58 | Cody | i'm on discman 5, the kind folks at best buy keep buying me new ones tho, because i keep signing up for the 8dollar two year, if it dies replacement plan. And i've always managed to break it within two years |
| 04:30:01 | thu | it's shedding like hell |
| 04:30:10 | Cody | shedding? |
| 04:30:19 | thu | yeah the paint is going |
| 04:30:20 | thu | from the back |
| 04:30:26 | thu | I think it's because of heat |
| 04:30:35 | Cody | that 120gb? |
| 04:30:40 | thu | archos |
| 04:30:41 | Cody | little warm, eh? |
| 04:30:50 | thu | 120G archos? hmm :P~ |
| 04:31:05 | Cody | ohh, i read that above and thought you were talking about an archos |
| 04:31:21 | jzoss | heh. Bjorn's got an 80GB, but I don't know if anyone has a 120G archos... |
| 04:31:22 | Cody | heh, i agree that does sound nice, i was wondering tho, cause biggest laptop drive i've seen's 80 |
| 04:31:41 | thu | how much though? |
| 04:31:55 | thu | the archos isn't that great to navigate |
| 04:31:59 | thu | no jump feature |
| 04:32:08 | thu | 80G would be hard to manage |
| 04:32:10 | Cody | $328 - 80.0GB |
| 04:32:14 | thu | whoaa |
| 04:32:25 | Cody | yeah + price of archos |
| 04:32:26 | thu | that's soo much not worth it |
| 04:32:27 | jzoss | ?? jump to a given trackNum ?? |
| 04:32:43 | thu | jzoss: winamp/xmms "J" jump feature |
| 04:32:51 | Cody | yeah, really it'd be cheaper just to have two archo's with 40gb's |
| 04:32:55 | thu | search through all the available music |
| 04:33:12 | thu | hdd prices are crazy |
| 04:33:22 | thu | I was looking at regular drives the other day |
| 04:33:26 | Cody | yeah, that would suck to navigate, i've only got 20gb and it'd hard enough on a computer |
| 04:33:34 | thu | cuz I just went and bought another 120G |
| 04:33:46 | Cody | heh |
| 04:33:53 | thu | 100G - $220 |
| 04:33:58 | thu | 120G - $220 |
| 04:34:03 | thu | 180G - $570 |
| 04:34:20 | thu | heh |
| 04:34:41 | Cody | off where you looking |
| 04:34:41 | Cody | $265 - EIDE 250GB |
| 04:34:41 | Cody | $202 - EIDE 200GB |
| 04:34:45 | thu | I'm not sure if the first one was 80G or 100G |
| 04:34:54 | thu | that was in CAD |
| 04:35:04 | Cody | CAD? |
| 04:35:07 | thu | divide to 1.4 to get USD |
| 04:35:10 | Cody | ohh |
| 04:35:11 | Cody | gotcha |
| 04:35:13 | thu | s/1.4/14 |
| 04:35:16 | thu | s/14/1.4 |
| 04:35:19 | thu | argh |
| 04:36:24 | Cody | still tho, still tho, 250gb for 265*1.4 < 180 for $570/whatever |
| 04:36:45 | thu | those are the prices here |
| 04:36:59 | thu | 265 for 250G sounds great |
| 04:37:18 | thu | I wouldn't want one of those babies to crash on me though |
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| 04:37:40 | thu | raid1 or nothing |
| 04:37:47 | Cody | I honestly don't know what'd do with 250gb |
| 04:37:57 | thu | heh try ripping dvds |
| 04:38:07 | Cody | i do on occasion, and that's true, but... |
| 04:38:13 | thu | 7G / movie |
| 04:38:17 | Cody | yeah |
| 04:38:27 | Cody | i know, i've got a couple floating around here |
| 04:38:27 | thu | or get a digital video cam |
| 04:38:31 | Cody | that. |
| 04:38:59 | Cody | but i'm a poor geek, i couldn't even shell out the money to get a new archos, or one with a 20gb drive |
| 04:39:05 | Cody | forget a DV cam |
| 04:39:26 | thu | heh I just got my 120G drive and I'm almost broke |
| 04:39:27 | Cody | they pay me in nickles at work |
| 04:39:28 | thu | tell me about it |
| 04:39:46 | Cody | 6/h |
| 04:39:51 | thu | oh a DV cam is only $4k+ |
| 04:40:04 | Cody | and it's been that way for over a year, which is starting to piss me off |
| 04:40:13 | thu | I don't even work |
| 04:40:17 | thu | I do some contract jobs |
| 04:40:26 | Cody | what type? |
| 04:40:51 | thu | oh just about anything I can get my hands on |
| 04:40:56 | thu | some programming here and there |
| 04:41:04 | Cody | sounds good |
| 04:41:16 | thu | now I'm busting my ass to learn how to do embedded C |
| 04:41:30 | Cody | I really need to pick up some decent programming skills, end up doing that come fall hopefully |
| 04:41:36 | thu | embedded software rulez |
| 04:41:46 | Cody | I did something really dumb and actually tried to learn embedded C |
| 04:41:46 | thu | you don't worry about OS, stupid users, installation |
| 04:41:59 | Cody | before knowing normal c |
| 04:42:03 | thu | uhm |
| 04:42:17 | Cody | It was for a project my friend and I were working on |
| 04:42:21 | thu | I can't say I know C really well but I've been through the basic concepts |
| 04:42:52 | Cody | we were trying to make a wireless transciever for USB cables, so you could have a laptop and wonder around the room and still print to your normal printer etc... |
| 04:43:03 | thu | cool |
| 04:43:30 | thu | I'll tell you a good way to learn embedded C |
| 04:43:31 | Cody | it was for science fair, and we were doing real well, and eventually made it internation, but when we made it to internations we realized we actually had to try and build it |
| 04:43:45 | thu | you go to some employer that needs something done with a smart controller |
| 04:43:50 | thu | and you go "sure I can do that" |
| 04:43:57 | thu | "in a week or so" |
| 04:44:17 | thu | :-) |
| 04:44:29 | thu | that's really good motivation |
| 04:44:32 | Cody | so we went bought a fancy ass DSP and a bunch of extra shit and then realized that despite the fact that it had several lanuages you could program in, we didn't know a damn one of them |
| 04:44:41 | thu | lol |
| 04:44:53 | Cody | lol, yeah, isn't that the story of all computer geeks, the movitation thing |
| 04:44:55 | jzoss | hehe. |
| 04:45:11 | Cody | I work at an ISP now, and that's pretty much a daily thing. |
| 04:45:20 | Cody | Sure i can build you a mail server that blocks spam.... |
| 04:45:31 | Cody | is my current delema |
| 04:45:38 | jzoss | But it's way more fun to learn a language while doing a project you're interested in. As opposed to learning a language to work on something you could care less about. |
| 04:45:59 | Cody | that's very true, that's how i've learned pretty much all of the computer stuff i have |
| 04:46:07 | thu | jzoss: well it does help that I find doing embedded stuff fun |
| 04:46:23 | Cody | I'm still in HS, so i've not really had any formal classes, so it's all stuff i've learned my own on that model |
| 04:46:48 | thu | heh I guess I did learn something in 4 years of CS in HS |
| 04:47:14 | Cody | i got to a school of 400 people in the middle of a corn field, when the IS guy needs help he calls me |
| 04:47:15 | thu | +2 years in middle school |
| 04:47:24 | thu | :) |
| 04:47:33 | thu | nice |
| 04:50:42 | Cody | anyways, speaking of HS, i've got homework to do |
| 04:50:58 | Cody | I'm out in like 20 days, i'm SOOOO looking forward to it |
| 04:51:25 | jzoss | congrats! |
| 04:51:30 | thu | heh.. summer semester starts in 1wk here |
| 04:51:34 | thu | I'm jumping back in |
| 04:51:48 | jzoss | my sister's graduating soon too. |
| 04:52:18 | Cody | that's good |
| 04:53:55 | thu | heh I wish I still were in HS |
| 04:55:05 | Cody | I'm sure i'll miss it later, but man i'm dying to get out now. |
| 04:55:21 | Cody | hell i skipped today mainly just to skip |
| 04:55:52 | Cody | it's pathetic how few meaningful classes i actually have |
| 04:58:14 | thu | that's the whole point |
| 04:58:31 | thu | I don't feel like skipping a $400 class now |
| 04:58:44 | thu | especially when I have just a few of them, all interesting |
| 04:58:44 | Cody | i can understand that |
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| 07:43:42 | Zagor | oogabooga |
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| 10:11:40 | LinusN | oogabooga zagor |
| 10:11:53 | Zagor | yo |
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| 10:12:09 | LinusN | (the secret Rockbox salute: oogabooga) |
| 10:12:17 | Schnueff | oogabooga everybody |
| 10:12:29 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:12:42 | tracktheripper | oogabooga :-) |
| 10:13:02 | LinusN | was my reaction to Brents' posting too hard? |
| 10:13:05 | >>> | "pass" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) [snoop prevented] |
| 10:13:16 | >>> | "cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) |
| 10:13:55 | >>> | "help expadd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) |
| 10:13:56 | Zagor | maybe a little cranky :-) |
| 10:14:24 | >>> | "logbot explain oogabooga" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) |
| 10:14:36 | LinusN | i reread my posting and it did sound a little cranky |
| 10:14:41 | >>> | "explain oogabooga" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) |
| 10:14:49 | >>> | "expadd oogabooga=The secret Rockbox salute" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) |
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| 10:16:31 | tracktheripper | :( |
| 10:16:43 | Hes | ogabooga. |
| 10:18:40 | LinusN | hi hes |
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| 10:28:54 | langhaarrocker | Has oogabooga any etymological background? |
| 10:30:58 | Zagor | it's the ancient sound for "bug found, yummy!" |
| 10:31:20 | langhaarrocker | oogamy [??'?g?m?] |
| 10:31:20 | langhaarrocker | noun sexual reproduction involving a small motile male gamete and a large much less motile female gamete: occurs in all higher animals and some plants |
| 10:31:21 | LinusN | old swedish folklore from the stone age |
| 10:31:30 | tracktheripper | Zagor, could the Archos have some sort of "startup sound" rather like Windows? |
| 10:31:32 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 10:31:36 | LinusN | sure |
| 10:32:02 | tracktheripper | but how would you hear it? unless u wear your headphones 24/7 |
| 10:32:23 | LinusN | i guess you put them on before you start it up |
| 10:32:46 | LinusN | then press Play when you hear the startup sound (if you have resume=ask) |
| 10:32:51 | tracktheripper | yea but in the feature request he wants the sound in case he forgets he has switched his Archos on |
| 10:33:21 | LinusN | then i guess he has it connected to speakers |
| 10:33:30 | langhaarrocker | Can we implement a headphone-plug-inserted-detection by watching errornous remote signals? |
| 10:33:48 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: maybe |
| 10:39:26 | Zagor | it would be very unreliable |
| 10:39:47 | langhaarrocker | :( |
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| 10:48:19 | * | dwihno shows some code: "lcd_update()" ;-D |
| 10:48:20 | Quelsaruk | morning |
| 10:48:27 | dwihno | Bueno, QUel |
| 10:48:33 | langhaarrocker | oogabooga |
| 10:48:57 | Quelsaruk | i know you couldn't live without me :) |
| 10:48:57 | LinusN | hi jose |
| 10:49:03 | Quelsaruk | hi linus :) |
| 10:49:22 | Zagor | LinusN: maybe we could simply toggle the sound output on/off rapidly, creating a buzzing sound with the click |
| 10:49:58 | LinusN | i'd rather play a .rockbox/welcome.mp3 |
| 10:50:03 | Zagor | wuss :) |
| 10:50:29 | LinusN | then anyone can use their own sound |
| 10:50:47 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:51:10 | Zagor | but a buzz could still be useful, for key feedback and such. |
| 10:51:18 | Zagor | gotta try it :-) |
| 10:51:38 | langhaarrocker | We could simulate polyphony by interleaving the mp3 frames of welcome.mp3 and the current song. :) |
| 10:51:41 | Quelsaruk | i have a question.... |
| 10:51:48 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: :-) |
| 10:52:04 | Quelsaruk | how many goats should i sacrifice to repair my boot loader? |
| 10:52:11 | LinusN | Quelsaruk: 5 |
| 10:52:21 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: i've actually planned to try that too, but for crossfading purposes |
| 10:52:32 | Quelsaruk | i dunno why, but i get now a lot of '07' instead of grub's screen :( |
| 10:52:56 | LinusN | Zagor: the bit reservoir will make that very difficult |
| 10:53:01 | Zagor | yes, I know |
| 10:53:09 | Zagor | still, it has to be tested. |
| 10:53:58 | langhaarrocker | quel: what's a grub screen? |
| 10:53:59 | Zagor | if 1/1 interleave won't work, maybe 5/5 could |
| 10:54:20 | Zagor | Quelsaruk: that's a loader error. see the man page |
| 10:54:25 | Quelsaruk | grub is my boot loader |
| 10:54:29 | tracktheripper | morning Quels |
| 10:54:31 | tracktheripper | oogaboowogga |
| 10:54:32 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 10:54:41 | langhaarrocker | Is the sh1 fast enough to detect and interleave mp3 frames in real time? |
| 10:54:49 | Quelsaruk | Zagor: i'm doing that now :) |
| 10:55:08 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: yes, it could be able to |
| 10:55:59 | Zagor | although i'm starting with prebuilding interleaved mp3 files on a pc |
| 10:56:06 | langhaarrocker | Quel: grub = rolo without rockbox? |
| 10:58:18 | Quelsaruk | langhaarrocker: yups :) but now it says 'insert archos firmware' ;) |
| 10:58:47 | langhaarrocker | argh. |
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| 11:00:04 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: please don't allow Quelsaruk to add a menu entry "Increase goat blood soak". |
| 11:00:26 | Quelsaruk | why not langhaarrocker? |
| 11:00:29 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: we won't allow it |
| 11:00:39 | Quelsaruk | :( |
| 11:00:39 | LinusN | the MAS can only decrease it |
| 11:00:56 | langhaarrocker | Quel: you'd need surgical gloves because of aids. |
| 11:01:51 | Quelsaruk | :P |
| 11:02:05 | Quelsaruk | not really, goats are inmune to aids |
| 11:06:42 | tracktheripper | Archos no longer make the Player |
| 11:06:50 | tracktheripper | they don't offer it on their website anymore |
| 11:07:29 | tracktheripper | R.I.P. the Player :-) |
| 11:07:33 | langhaarrocker | Ok. That's it. We can remove the player target from the daily builds. |
| 11:08:10 | tracktheripper | but what about the existing players? |
| 11:08:35 | tracktheripper | are you gonna leave them in the lurch? |
| 11:08:55 | langhaarrocker | The players will dissapear in a puff of logic soon. |
| 11:09:22 | tracktheripper | give it a new lease of life by making it record via the LINE IN |
| 11:09:40 | Zagor | tracktheripper: you are joking, right? |
| 11:09:49 | Zagor | about removing the builds, i mean |
| 11:09:58 | LinusN | that was langhaarrocker |
| 11:10:03 | LinusN | and he was joking |
| 11:10:04 | Zagor | ah, ok |
| 11:10:10 | Zagor | sorry |
| 11:10:18 | tracktheripper | so you should be Zagor :-) |
| 11:10:32 | Zagor | they, annoyingly, both turn up in green in my irc client. |
| 11:11:01 | tracktheripper | what turn up green Zagor? me and langharoker? |
| 11:11:06 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: Should I add some bugs so that I turn red? |
| 11:11:15 | Zagor | :-) |
| 11:11:45 | tracktheripper | Zagor its about time there was a firmware update for you! not the Archos! |
| 11:11:49 | Zagor | tracktheripper: each nick gets its' own color, so they are easier to tell apart. but both you and langhaarrocker are green, and the same length... |
| 11:12:01 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 11:12:06 | tracktheripper | well change mine to blue then:-) |
| 11:12:09 | * | Zagor needs a memory upgrade |
| 11:12:20 | Zagor | i can't. they are automatically assigned. |
| 11:12:42 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: you need a shuffle button :) |
| 11:13:05 | tracktheripper | Zagor you need an inverted video line :-) |
| 11:15:28 | tracktheripper | zagorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr? |
| 11:15:42 | Zagor | shh, i'm mixing mp3s |
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| 11:16:44 | tracktheripper | :( |
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| 12:09:24 | LinusN | woo, first contact with the FM radio chip |
| 12:09:57 | LinusN | read/write of registers works |
| 12:10:12 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: be quick! Achos starts discontinuing things! :) |
| 12:10:20 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:23:56 | dwihno | LinusN: Is writing to flash painfully slow? |
| 12:24:07 | dwihno | flash memory |
| 12:28:39 | LinusN | not really, define "painfully" |
| 12:30:15 | dwihno | 6.4mbps |
| 12:31:33 | dwihno | Sounds pretty slow |
| 12:31:45 | dwihno | But if it is a limitation due to the flash, I understand. |
| 12:32:04 | LinusN | are you talking about an ATA flash card? |
| 12:33:03 | dwihno | erhm |
| 12:33:10 | dwihno | mp3 players with built in flash :-) |
| 12:33:42 | dwihno | I'm considering a iRiver flash thingy for "excercise music" :-) |
| 12:59:47 | Zagor | LinusN: in a cbr file, are all frames always the same size? |
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| 13:00:03 | Zagor | i'm getting most the same size, but some smaller |
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| 13:01:30 | LinusN | Zagor: the padding can affect it |
| 13:01:42 | Zagor | isn't that just one byte? |
| 13:01:45 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:01:52 | LinusN | how do you find the frames? |
| 13:01:55 | Zagor | I get bigger differences |
| 13:02:03 | Zagor | find_next_frame() |
| 13:02:47 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 13:03:09 | LinusN | what does the debug output from find_next_frame() say? |
| 13:03:42 | Zagor | ah. lots of garbage skipping. |
| 13:03:46 | LinusN | how do you use find_next_frame()? |
| 13:03:58 | Zagor | header1 = find_next_frame(in1, &offset1, 0x20000, 0); |
| 13:04:29 | LinusN | check the code in vbrfix() |
| 13:05:52 | Hes | dwihno: since flash is slightly slow, they're now selling high-speed ATA/compactflash flash cards. They do striping to multiple memory areas, I guess. |
| 13:06:51 | dwihno | Hes: mmmkay |
| 13:07:08 | Hes | Good for high-performance digital cameras (lots of large photos or video to be written quickly to the flash - cameras already do write-back caching in RAM 8-) |
| 13:09:36 | Hes | But USB is slow as well. |
| 13:13:31 | LinusN | Zagor: the frame sync can be found inside the mp3 frames, so it is vital that you advance the exact frame size in the stream, and pass the first valid header you find to consequent find_next_frame() calls |
| 13:13:46 | Zagor | ah |
| 13:14:08 | LinusN | the first find_next_frame() call returns a valid header |
| 13:14:22 | LinusN | pass that to the rest of the calls, for validation |
| 13:14:28 | Zagor | how large is the maximum frame size? |
| 13:14:46 | LinusN | about 1500 bytes or so |
| 13:14:56 | Zagor | ok |
| 13:15:08 | LinusN | 128kbit/s 44.1khz is 417 bytes |
| 13:16:07 | LinusN | look at count_mp3_frames() |
| 13:16:15 | Zagor | yup |
| 13:17:19 | Zagor | ahhh, works |
| 13:17:57 | Zagor | now let's try mixing |
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| 13:24:05 | Zagor | hehe, sounds pretty odd in winamp at least :-) |
| 13:24:14 | Zagor | i'll try 5/5 |
| 13:24:27 | LinusN | Zagor: surprised? :-) |
| 13:24:33 | Zagor | not really :) |
| 13:25:00 | Zagor | ah, I forgot. I need to discard every second frame from each song too. otherwise it's played back at half speed... |
| 13:26:45 | langhaarrocker | cool timestretching without pitch shifting! |
| 13:27:10 | Zagor | sounds crap though :-) |
| 13:27:51 | langhaarrocker | Would you mind to publish it somewhere? I'm really curious how it sounds. |
| 13:29:18 | Zagor | it's mostly just garbage so far, probably due to mangled bit reservoir |
| 13:29:53 | langhaarrocker | gurgling, beeping, feeping garbage? |
| 13:30:00 | Zagor | yeah |
| 13:32:12 | Zagor | with 5/5 you can actually hear the tracks. still very bloopy, but definitely audible |
| 13:35:53 | langhaarrocker | Maybe it's suitable as an example for the nodo to demonstrate why no crossfading is possible :) |
| 13:35:54 | Hes | oh, you actually are trying that?? 8-) |
| 13:36:33 | langhaarrocker | No Bagder today? |
| 13:39:37 | Zagor | i think he'll be here soon |
| 13:40:46 | Zagor | can lame encode without the bit reservoir? |
| 13:41:11 | LinusN | i think so |
| 13:41:15 | LinusN | gotta go, bye |
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| 13:41:39 | Schnueff | −−nores |
| 13:41:39 | Schnueff | Disable the bit reservoir. |
| 13:42:00 | Zagor | thanks |
| 13:42:08 | Schnueff | never tried it though :) |
| 13:46:13 | Zagor | with nores files, the effect is almost listenable |
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| 13:48:27 | Schnueff | better than sox timestretch? |
| 13:48:38 | Zagor | never tried that. |
| 13:48:44 | Zagor | i doubt it, however :-) |
| 13:48:46 | Schnueff | as has strange artifacts |
| 13:48:53 | Schnueff | it procdues strange artifacts |
| 13:49:23 | Zagor | it sounds very "flickery" |
| 13:49:33 | Zagor | will upload a test |
| 13:49:41 | * | langhaarrocker needs timestretching in other contextes |
| 13:50:04 | Schnueff | ssttrreettcchh |
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| 13:51:51 | Quelsaruk | i'm back |
| 13:52:04 | Quelsaruk | and i haven't used any goat to repair grub :) |
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| 13:52:46 | Quelsaruk | arggg |
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| 13:55:00 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mixtest.mp3 (1 MB) |
| 13:55:01 | Zagor | can you identify the songs? |
| 13:55:18 | Quelsaruk | who? |
| 13:55:19 | Quelsaruk | me? |
| 13:55:49 | Zagor | that is 1/1 interleave btw. |
| 13:56:21 | Zagor | Quelsaruk: anyone. it's a contest! :) |
| 13:56:32 | Quelsaruk | it's heavy metal? |
| 13:56:40 | Zagor | heh, no |
| 13:56:53 | Quelsaruk | then.. surely i won't be able to identify them |
| 13:56:55 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 13:57:07 | * | langhaarrocker cant but sounds funny |
| 13:58:10 | langhaarrocker | My guess: Song1: 'Gurglemaster', Song2: 'Drowning' |
| 13:58:13 | Zagor | haha |
| 13:58:49 | Zagor | then you should here it with bit reservoir turned on. sounds like a radio in a waterfall :) |
| 13:59:45 | langhaarrocker | :) |
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| 14:03:31 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/stretchtest.mp3 (1 MB) |
| 14:04:57 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/shrinktest.mp3 (512 kb) <−−- hilarious |
| 14:09:15 | Zagor | ok, so mp3 frame interleaving turned out, unsurprising, to be useless |
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| 14:20:56 | * | tm sobs |
| 14:21:00 | Schnueff | anouk |
| 14:21:09 | tm | can't believe never gonna have ogg on archos :-( |
| 14:21:12 | Schnueff | nobodys wife |
| 14:21:13 | Schnueff | hm |
| 14:21:21 | Bagder | you can have ogg on the archos |
| 14:21:25 | Bagder | just not listen to it ;-) |
| 14:21:27 | tm | heh |
| 14:21:29 | Zagor | haha |
| 14:21:48 | Quelsaruk | Bagder: you can even listen to it |
| 14:21:49 | Zagor | tm: write an ultrafast transcoder, then we can play oggs :-) |
| 14:21:55 | * | tm tempted |
| 14:21:56 | tm | very tempted |
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| 14:42:02 | Quelsaruk | ummm |
| 14:42:12 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 14:43:06 | Quelsaruk | Caption backlight is when it turns on when the song changes? |
| 14:43:15 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:43:17 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 14:44:23 | tracktheripper | maybe they will bring out a "Disco Backlight" next |
| 14:44:24 | tracktheripper | ...... |
| 14:44:43 | langhaarrocker | yeah, with beat detection! |
| 14:44:56 | tracktheripper | yea have the backlight flash to the beat of the music :) |
| 14:45:14 | Quelsaruk | has anyone ever told you that you find really strange names for nearly each feature? |
| 14:45:25 | langhaarrocker | hmm. Using the peak meter as trigger that should be possible. :) |
| 14:45:32 | tracktheripper | yea :-) |
| 14:46:00 | tracktheripper | even better langharocker, have the 4 LEDs independatly flash of each other, for a more "disco" look :-) |
| 14:46:11 | Quelsaruk | i know that you do this just because i can't find a word in spanish similar to that :( |
| 14:46:25 | langhaarrocker | lol |
| 14:46:54 | tracktheripper | awwwwww poor quelsaruk |
| 14:46:55 | tracktheripper | :-P |
| 14:47:29 | Quelsaruk | i'm going home... i'm really hungry today |
| 14:47:31 | Quelsaruk | cu later |
| 14:47:37 | langhaarrocker | menu item 'light show' with presets 'disco', 'rock', 'psychodelic' |
| 14:47:49 | Quelsaruk | (if i find a word for "caption") |
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| 14:48:37 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 14:48:57 | tracktheripper | and langharocker, go one step furtther and have it flash in different colours! |
| 14:49:07 | * | langhaarrocker shivers |
| 14:50:26 | langhaarrocker | We could simulate hard driver errors to make the red led blink to the beat :) |
| 14:50:37 | webmind | morning |
| 14:50:42 | tracktheripper | morning |
| 14:50:57 | tracktheripper | don't let Bjorn and co see that langharrocker :-) |
| 14:51:13 | webmind | btw, did anyone try the archos with a CF card ? |
| 14:51:33 | tracktheripper | where can u plug a CF card ito the Archos? |
| 14:51:53 | webmind | with a CF->IDE converter ? |
| 14:51:56 | langhaarrocker | theoretically the interface of the harddrive might be used |
| 14:52:00 | tracktheripper | ohhhh |
| 14:52:20 | webmind | langhaarrocker, theoreticly indeed.. just wondered if anyone tried already |
| 14:52:45 | dwihno | Major runtime increase! :) |
| 14:52:57 | langhaarrocker | Are there any adapters 2,5" -> CF available? |
| 14:53:17 | tracktheripper | Magnus!!!!!!! |
| 14:53:19 | tracktheripper | hi :) |
| 14:54:43 | dwihno | Hellö! :) |
| 14:55:53 | webmind | langhaarrocker, yes |
| 14:56:03 | webmind | langhaarrocker, i already found 2 resellers i think |
| 14:57:51 | tracktheripper | hi!!!!!! |
| 14:58:05 | tracktheripper | Dwihno, best Codec, WMA VBR :-) |
| 14:59:14 | dwihno | WMA = bad |
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| 15:00:25 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa is back from [gone] [gone 16hrs 21mins 12secs] [KS] |
| 15:01:04 | tracktheripper | not WMA in VBR mode :-) |
| 15:01:28 | dwihno | WMA = MS = EVIL = BAD |
| 15:01:47 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hm |
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| 15:02:02 | Stevie[FreedomPa | i found a minor glitch in rockbox |
| 15:02:30 | NHeal | calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 15:02:30 | NJoin | tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBC04D1.ipt.aol.com) |
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| 15:03:16 | Zagor | Stevie[FreedomPa: just a minor glitch? then you didn't look hard enough :-) |
| 15:03:36 | tracktheripper | ok ok calm down Magnus :-) |
| 15:03:51 | Stevie[FreedomPa | lmao |
| 15:03:58 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I didn't say I didn't find others |
| 15:04:10 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I just said that one of the things I found was minor :) |
| 15:04:33 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa looks for info about submitting a patch |
| 15:16:57 | Zagor | did you find it? http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html |
| 15:19:25 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ok |
| 15:19:29 | Stevie[FreedomPa | diff'd. |
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| 15:20:57 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hmm |
| 15:21:01 | Stevie[FreedomPa | cvs diff -ub? |
| 15:21:33 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ah |
| 15:21:52 | Guest | I have a question? |
| 15:22:04 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hm |
| 15:22:09 | Stevie[FreedomPa | the link on this one page is broken |
| 15:22:16 | Zagor | which link on which page? |
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| 15:24:10 | Nachimiento | hello? I have a question about Rockbox 2.0 |
| 15:24:20 | Bagder | ask away |
| 15:24:29 | Zagor | yay, i've got beep! |
| 15:24:35 | Nachimiento | Is there a hold option? |
| 15:24:36 | Bagder | uuuh |
| 15:24:44 | Bagder | Nachimiento: tried reading the manual? |
| 15:24:52 | Stevie[FreedomPa | Zagor: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/contributing.html |
| 15:24:53 | Bagder | its a fine manual |
| 15:24:56 | Nachimiento | i dont have Abode |
| 15:25:02 | >>> | "explain manual" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) |
| 15:25:12 | Stevie[FreedomPa | at the very end is a link that's supposed to take you to the patch tracker, but the link's messed up |
| 15:25:21 | Zagor | Stevie[FreedomPa: ok |
| 15:25:40 | Nachimiento | ...? |
| 15:25:54 | Nachimiento | so is there a HOLD feature, and if so, how do I use it? |
| 15:26:00 | Bagder | there's a keylock |
| 15:26:15 | Nachimiento | ok, how do i use it? |
| 15:26:19 | Bagder | but you haven't said what model you have |
| 15:26:31 | Nachimiento | recorder |
| 15:26:37 | Nachimiento | lol sorry |
| 15:27:33 | Bagder | f1+down |
| 15:27:50 | Bagder | but I find it rather silly to ask questions that are perfectly answered in the manual |
| 15:28:05 | Bagder | and I don't have "Abode" either |
| 15:28:05 | Nachimiento | i dont have Adobe |
| 15:28:13 | Bagder | so get it |
| 15:28:17 | Bagder | or get anothe one that works |
| 15:28:25 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hm |
| 15:28:29 | Nachimiento | F1+Down at the same time? |
| 15:28:33 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I don't have that in my copy of the manual |
| 15:28:37 | Stevie[FreedomPa | at least, it doesn't say 'hold' |
| 15:28:48 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ah |
| 15:28:49 | Bagder | I didn't say there's a hold |
| 15:28:50 | Stevie[FreedomPa | 'key lock' |
| 15:28:59 | Stevie[FreedomPa | it's called 'Hold' on every CD player I've ever seen ;) |
| 15:29:00 | Bagder | I find it weird to call it hold |
| 15:29:24 | Stevie[FreedomPa | it's referring to holding the cd player in your hand (so you don't accidentally trigger button presses) |
| 15:29:27 | Bagder | my mobile phone has no "hold" function, it has a keylock |
| 15:29:43 | Stevie[FreedomPa | uh huh |
| 15:29:48 | langhaarrocker | Mine too, it has a little key as symbol for that |
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| 15:29:55 | Stevie[FreedomPa | when's the last time you made a fone call with your Archos? |
| 15:30:07 | Bagder | when's the last time you played a CD on it? |
| 15:30:15 | Stevie[FreedomPa | :P |
| 15:30:18 | Nachimiento | Badger, thanks a lot! |
| 15:30:26 | Stevie[FreedomPa | so which one's it closer to? |
| 15:30:27 | langhaarrocker | Useless to call achos -> they wouldn't give us the MAS specs. |
| 15:30:39 | Stevie[FreedomPa | dorks |
| 15:30:41 | Zagor | Stevie[FreedomPa: link fixed. thanks for spotting that. |
| 15:30:45 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa kicks archos |
| 15:30:54 | Bagder | I find my Archos mor resembling my phone than a CD player |
| 15:30:56 | Stevie[FreedomPa | well at least they made a nice piece of hardware that we can mess with |
| 15:30:57 | Bagder | more |
| 15:31:15 | Stevie[FreedomPa | Zagor: I have a knack for these things :) |
| 15:31:24 | Zagor | that's good |
| 15:31:56 | Nachimiento | one more question... i was reading about deep discharge and trickle charge on the website, and i dont understand...if i want to fully charge the archos overnight, which do i use? |
| 15:32:12 | Stevie[FreedomPa | trickle I believe |
| 15:32:29 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I'm pretty sure that it said deep discharge is for when you're using the thing while it's plugged in |
| 15:32:35 | Nachimiento | so deep is only if im playing while its plugged in, right? |
| 15:32:59 | Nachimiento | ok, thats what i thought, just making sure. |
| 15:32:59 | Nachimiento | :) |
| 15:32:59 | Nachimiento | thanks a lot you guys |
| 15:33:02 | Stevie[FreedomPa | that's what I recall reading |
| 15:35:04 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ok, patch submitted |
| 15:35:08 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I hope I did everything right |
| 15:36:30 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hm. |
| 15:37:56 | Zagor | looks good |
| 15:38:03 | Stevie[FreedomPa | the f3 settings thing? |
| 15:38:18 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:38:23 | Stevie[FreedomPa | thanks :) |
| 15:38:46 | Stevie[FreedomPa | the other thing I noticed |
| 15:38:57 | Stevie[FreedomPa | in the Settings menu where you configure how things are displayed |
| 15:39:09 | Stevie[FreedomPa | battery = graphic/numeric, volume = graphic/numeric |
| 15:39:43 | Stevie[FreedomPa | those settings take effect immediately while they're being edited, due to redrawing of the display |
| 15:39:48 | Stevie[FreedomPa | so you can see their effects |
| 15:40:13 | Stevie[FreedomPa | but the LCD invert setting doesn't do that, you don't see it until you've saved it |
| 15:40:34 | Stevie[FreedomPa | unfortunately, I have not yet seen a non-kludgy way of patching it so it does do that |
| 15:41:30 | Zagor | right. i've thought about that too |
| 15:41:32 | Schnueff | a new set_bool() with a function argument could do it |
| 15:41:43 | Stevie[FreedomPa | i considered that |
| 15:42:02 | Stevie[FreedomPa | but I don't know enough about the arch |
| 15:42:08 | Stevie[FreedomPa | and I don't know what the overhead would be |
| 15:42:21 | Stevie[FreedomPa | esp since set_bool just delegates to the other thing |
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| 15:42:49 | Stevie[FreedomPa | doesn't it? |
| 15:43:16 | Stevie[FreedomPa | set_bool_options just calls into set_bool |
| 15:43:17 | Stevie[FreedomPa | err |
| 15:43:23 | Stevie[FreedomPa | set_bool_options just calls into set_option |
| 15:43:37 | Stevie[FreedomPa | wait... |
| 15:43:43 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/beeptest.ajz <−− opinions please |
| 15:44:02 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hold on |
| 15:44:10 | langhaarrocker | Wished my recorder booted... |
| 15:44:17 | Zagor | (for regular recorders) |
| 15:44:24 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ah |
| 15:44:28 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I have an FM recorder =/ |
| 15:44:48 | Zagor | i'll make one for fm. hang on... |
| 15:44:53 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ok |
| 15:45:17 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: a beep is a syntesized mp3 frame? |
| 15:45:25 | dwihno | Zagor: what have you done?! :) |
| 15:45:35 | Zagor | no, it's simply noise from turning off and on the dac 30 times! |
| 15:45:44 | langhaarrocker | hihi |
| 15:46:00 | Zagor | *very* crude, but perhaps useful |
| 15:46:48 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/beeptest_fm.ajz up |
| 15:47:29 | langhaarrocker | I wondered wether you hardcore rockboxers were planning a more complex buffer management with multiple entry points for beeps, speech syllables, prebuffered next/prev Songstarts, etc |
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| 15:48:27 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa blinks |
| 15:48:33 | Zagor | 10 times instead of 30 gives a more distinct click sound |
| 15:49:15 | Stevie[FreedomPa | neat |
| 15:49:21 | Stevie[FreedomPa | what happens if a song's playing? |
| 15:49:43 | Zagor | no difference |
| 15:49:49 | Stevie[FreedomPa | wow |
| 15:49:52 | Stevie[FreedomPa | neat :) |
| 15:50:29 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: will the spdif output be interrupted, too? |
| 15:50:46 | Zagor | hmm, i guess not since it's not using the dac |
| 15:50:57 | Stevie[FreedomPa | an mp3 frame would be great (/.rockbox/beep.mp3) if not for the fact that it wouldn't work while playing another mp3 |
| 15:51:14 | langhaarrocker | That this solution is probably even preferable over inserting mp3 frames into the streams. |
| 15:51:26 | Stevie[FreedomPa | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#69 |
| 15:51:42 | Zagor | unfortunately I seem to be able to hang the clock tick with this... not very nice. |
| 15:51:53 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ouch |
| 15:52:29 | Zagor | Stevie[FreedomPa: i just tested interleaving the frames of two tracks. result: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mixtest.mp3 (1 MB) |
| 15:53:01 | Stevie[FreedomPa | i don't quite understand |
| 15:53:01 | Zagor | funky effect, but far from useful |
| 15:53:11 | Stevie[FreedomPa | how does that work? |
| 15:53:18 | Stevie[FreedomPa | without independent frames |
| 15:53:30 | Zagor | I recoded the files to use independent frames |
| 15:53:44 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ok |
| 15:54:11 | Zagor | without that, it just becomes noise |
| 15:54:28 | Stevie[FreedomPa | yeah |
| 15:54:35 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hmmm |
| 15:54:57 | Stevie[FreedomPa | set_option() calls its function() argument whenever a key is pressed? |
| 15:55:04 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:55:13 | Stevie[FreedomPa | which makes it effectively 'whenever the setting changes' |
| 15:55:25 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:55:27 | Stevie[FreedomPa | the daily build for yesterday |
| 15:55:38 | Stevie[FreedomPa | has 5 references to set_bool_options |
| 15:56:07 | Stevie[FreedomPa | what if I patched set_bool_options to also take a function() arg and pass it down to set_option() |
| 15:56:35 | Stevie[FreedomPa | to make the lcd invert thing take effect immediately? |
| 15:57:07 | Zagor | sounds good to me |
| 15:57:30 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hell, I could pass in lcd_set_invert_display directly |
| 15:57:38 | Stevie[FreedomPa | since it has the right signature |
| 15:58:08 | Zagor | yup |
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| 16:12:22 | | Nick quel|out is now known as Quelsaruk (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 16:12:32 | Quelsaruk | i need your help :) |
| 16:12:34 | Quelsaruk | as always |
| 16:12:50 | Quelsaruk | can anyone tell me another word (english word) for 'caption' ?? |
| 16:13:22 | Stevie[FreedomPa | title |
| 16:13:28 | Stevie[FreedomPa | heading |
| 16:14:35 | Stevie[FreedomPa | http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=caption |
| 16:18:29 | Zagor | i'm now down to a single pop and it feels good to me. |
| 16:20:23 | langhaarrocker | Yeah! Feature bloat! |
| 16:21:27 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hm |
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| 16:24:44 | Stevie[FreedomPa | Updating Dependencies for string-win32.c |
| 16:24:44 | Stevie[FreedomPa | gcc: not found |
| 16:24:51 | Stevie[FreedomPa | grr |
| 16:24:53 | Zagor | eek |
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| 16:25:06 | Stevie[FreedomPa | oh |
| 16:25:08 | Stevie[FreedomPa | gcc itself wasn't found |
| 16:25:09 | Quelsaruk | great... |
| 16:25:14 | Quelsaruk | i love linux crashes :) |
| 16:25:46 | Quelsaruk | cu later! |
| 16:25:55 | Stevie[FreedomPa | 'win32' <- hint: not linux ;) |
| 16:26:02 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hm |
| 16:26:07 | Stevie[FreedomPa | $ find /cygdrive/c/cygwin/ -name gcc.exe |
| 16:26:11 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa untars the sdk again |
| 16:26:20 | Quelsaruk | Stevie[FreedomPa :P |
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| 16:27:25 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hm |
| 16:27:34 | Stevie[FreedomPa | theres no plain 'gcc.exe' in this tarball |
| 16:27:52 | Bagder | nope |
| 16:27:58 | Bagder | you need a full cygwin for that |
| 16:28:08 | Zagor | perhaps our makefiles should use sh-elf-gcc for the dependency generation too |
| 16:28:12 | Bagder | that's why he includes the tools pre-built |
| 16:28:32 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I would recommend that? |
| 16:28:33 | Stevie[FreedomPa | :) |
| 16:28:37 | Bagder | oh |
| 16:28:38 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa ln's for now |
| 16:28:39 | Bagder | I thought we did |
| 16:29:04 | Zagor | yeah, we do |
| 16:29:26 | Zagor | so why's it complaining? |
| 16:30:11 | Bagder | where what? |
| 16:30:11 | Stevie[FreedomPa | well |
| 16:30:24 | Stevie[FreedomPa | would you please double-check uisimulator/win32 ? |
| 16:30:32 | Bagder | ah |
| 16:30:36 | Bagder | that needs a native compiler |
| 16:30:57 | Stevie[FreedomPa | oh. |
| 16:31:06 | Bagder | it builds native code on your host |
| 16:31:56 | Stevie[FreedomPa | man |
| 16:32:06 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I'm far too used to configure taking params |
| 16:32:23 | Stevie[FreedomPa | i just tried ../tools −−platform=3 −−ram=2 |
| 16:32:30 | Bagder | haha |
| 16:32:38 | Stevie[FreedomPa | :_o |
| 16:32:39 | Stevie[FreedomPa | :-o |
| 16:32:44 | Bagder | feel free to make it accept them ;-) |
| 16:32:46 | Stevie[FreedomPa | err ../tools/configure |
| 16:32:53 | Stevie[FreedomPa | sorry, I don't have that much exp |
| 16:33:30 | Stevie[FreedomPa | Updating dependencies for usb.c |
| 16:33:30 | Stevie[FreedomPa | sh-elf-gcc: not found |
| 16:33:37 | Stevie[FreedomPa | woo! now all I need to do is figure out how to set my path right |
| 16:35:36 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hm, how am I supposed to convince cygwin that I'm the user 'rockbox'? |
| 16:35:49 | Stevie[FreedomPa | er |
| 16:37:01 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ack |
| 16:37:03 | Stevie[FreedomPa | make[1]: *** [/cygdrive/c/tmp/rockbox-new/build-dir/sysfont.o] Error 255 |
| 16:38:57 | Stevie[FreedomPa | oh, i see |
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| 16:41:57 | Stevie[FreedomPa | settings_menu.c:68: warning: passing arg 5 of `set_bool_options' from incompatible pointer type |
| 16:42:32 | Stevie[FreedomPa | oh |
| 16:42:35 | Stevie[FreedomPa | bool vs int |
| 16:44:30 | Stevie[FreedomPa | wow, it boots! |
| 16:45:33 | Stevie[FreedomPa | and it works! |
| 16:45:58 | Stevie[FreedomPa | hey, anybody got a recommendation on casting a function pointer? |
| 16:46:35 | Stevie[FreedomPa | i'm thinking you don't want things like (((void(*)())x)() in yer code |
| 16:46:37 | Zagor | that's messy :-) |
| 16:47:10 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ;) |
| 16:47:40 | Stevie[FreedomPa | void lcd_set_invert_display(bool) <- declaration |
| 16:47:46 | Stevie[FreedomPa | void function(int) <- parameter |
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| 16:48:22 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa puts in a comment |
| 16:50:40 | * | Zagor submits his first patch ;-) |
| 16:51:38 | Bagder | check out this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/digest/digest.mail |
| 16:51:43 | Bagder | the mail friendly version |
| 16:51:43 | Stevie[FreedomPa | first patch, eh? |
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| 16:59:46 | Stevie[FreedomPa | what is displayed in the column immediately before the first digit of the clock? |
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| 17:04:24 | Bagder | bbl |
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| 17:14:28 | Stevie[FreedomPa | er |
| 17:14:30 | Stevie[FreedomPa | wb? |
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| 17:22:07 | Zagor | Stevie[FreedomPa: the keylock symbol |
| 17:23:20 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ahh |
| 17:23:22 | Stevie[FreedomPa | ok |
| 17:25:10 | Stevie[FreedomPa | mkay |
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| 17:43:38 | Stevie[FreedomPa | do the Recorder builds use characters <32 for special purposes? |
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| 17:43:56 | Zagor | nope |
| 17:44:15 | Zagor | gotta go |
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| 17:45:48 | Stevie[FreedomPa | mkay |
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| 17:48:36 | Stevie[FreedomPa | meh, i need a win32 bdf editor |
| 17:49:18 | langhaarrocker | Don't you like the existing fonts or do you want to make a new one? |
| 17:50:06 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I love the existing fonts |
| 17:50:17 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I need to try altering one though |
| 17:51:00 | Stevie[FreedomPa | wtf |
| 17:51:16 | Stevie[FreedomPa | is there an rfc or some doc somewhere on the bdf format? |
| 17:51:23 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I'll write my own editor |
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| 17:52:26 | langhaarrocker | ask Bagder: he'll probably know |
| 17:52:55 | * | Bagder looks around, now where can I hide?! |
| 17:53:07 | Stevie[FreedomPa | will he 'probably know' because he knows that stuff, or because he just happened to arrive? :P |
| 17:53:15 | * | langhaarrocker hints to that large vase |
| 17:53:31 | Stevie[FreedomPa | the Ming Vase? |
| 17:53:37 | Stevie[FreedomPa | you can only drop that in the Soft Room |
| 17:53:59 | langhaarrocker | because the vase is to small for him you might be able to get hold of him |
| 17:54:18 | Stevie[FreedomPa | lol |
| 17:54:20 | Bagder | there's lots of bdf docs |
| 17:54:33 | Stevie[FreedomPa | and no nice free bdf editors? |
| 17:54:54 | Bagder | pxaedit is the only one I know of |
| 17:55:03 | Stevie[FreedomPa | never heard of it |
| 17:55:07 | Bagder | http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/pdfs/tn/5005.BDF_Spec.pdf |
| 17:55:08 | Stevie[FreedomPa | and neither has google, ti seems |
| 17:55:31 | Bagder | http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:55:39 | * | Bagder can't type |
| 17:55:44 | Stevie[FreedomPa | oh |
| 17:56:28 | Stevie[FreedomPa | yech |
| 17:56:33 | Stevie[FreedomPa | cygwin X |
| 17:57:04 | Bagder | that's for using a toy os |
| 17:57:26 | Stevie[FreedomPa | eh, this is my work machine |
| 17:57:31 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I am sadly bound to this crap |
| 17:57:59 | Bagder | noooo, reinstall it and blame your coworkers if someone asks ;-) |
| 17:59:26 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I can't |
| 17:59:37 | Stevie[FreedomPa | We pay 15k a year for some crappy software |
| 17:59:47 | Stevie[FreedomPa | and it's got some licensing crap going on |
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| 18:00:11 | Stevie[FreedomPa | this BDF format seems extremely easy to parse |
| 18:00:20 | Stevie[FreedomPa | I don't know why nobody's done a decent win32 editor for it before |
| 18:00:40 | Bagder | possibly because no one on windows need bdf fonts |
| 18:00:50 | Stevie[FreedomPa | we do! |
| 18:01:23 | | Quit quel|teaching (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 18:02:19 | Stevie[FreedomPa | and google, having indexed the irc logs here, reveals that I'm not the only one |
| 18:03:38 | Bagder | yeah, rockboxers on windows have noticed this lack before |
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| 18:51:50 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa builds the simulator |
| 18:52:19 | Stevie[FreedomPa | well |
| 18:52:24 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa installs cygwin so he can build the simulator |
| 18:53:39 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa is away [food] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
| 18:53:42 | Stevie[FreedomPa | bbl |
| 18:53:49 | Stevie[FreedomPa | and this is driving me nuts |
| 18:53:52 | | Nick Stevie[FreedomPa is now known as Stevie[FP] (~whatsit2u@65.114.136.196) |
| 18:53:58 | Stevie[FP] | bbl |
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| 20:46:36 | TBoy | hoi |
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| 20:49:44 | Stevie[FP] | hoi |
| 20:49:54 | natron | hi |
| 20:50:09 | natron | i just bought a JBM20 |
| 20:50:19 | natron | does rockbox have firmware for jbm20 ? |
| 20:50:29 | Stevie[FP] | i don't know? |
| 20:50:42 | natron | ok :) |
| 20:50:51 | TBoy | nope |
| 20:51:03 | TBoy | multimedia you mean rite |
| 20:51:08 | natron | yes |
| 20:51:40 | natron | is it in the plans to support the multimedia ? |
| 20:51:50 | Stevie[FP] | no |
| 20:52:00 | Stevie[FP] | the website says so |
| 20:52:05 | Stevie[FP] | it's apparently completely diff from the others |
| 20:52:21 | natron | ahh |
| 20:52:22 | natron | thats to bad |
| 20:52:24 | Stevie[FP] | settings.c:1115: undefined reference to `rockbox_fprintf' |
| 20:52:26 | natron | im checking the web site now |
| 20:52:26 | Stevie[FP] | meh! |
| 20:55:19 | Stevie[FP] | help!!!!! |
| 20:56:50 | Stevie[FP] | 2. Build Uisimulator |
| 20:56:54 | Stevie[FP] | For the Win32 simulator: |
| 20:56:55 | Stevie[FP] | No info yet. |
| 20:56:55 | Stevie[FP] | wtf |
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| 21:00:45 | natron | anyone know of a team of programmers working on multimedia hacks ? |
| 21:01:53 | TBoy | yea |
| 21:02:17 | TBoy | but they haven't started to do anything to/with the archos |
| 21:02:18 | natron | is there a website ? |
| 21:02:25 | natron | ok |
| 21:02:28 | TBoy | they are just talkin about it |
| 21:02:33 | natron | glad to hear :) |
| 21:03:34 | natron | do they have a irc channel ? |
| 21:03:38 | TBoy | wait i'll see if i find the adress |
| 21:03:47 | natron | great |
| 21:13:42 | Stevie[FP] | what is this 'descramble' thing? |
| 21:16:14 | Stevie[FP] | the Player runs at 12mhz and the Recorder runs at 11.0592MHz |
| 21:21:29 | TBoy | http://shanebrinkmandavis.com/homepage/JBMM/index.htm |
| 21:21:35 | TBoy | here you go natron |
| 21:21:49 | TBoy | Stevie who are you talkin to, if I may ask |
| 21:22:49 | Stevie[FP] | myself |
| 21:22:58 | Stevie[FP] | there wasn't anybody else here to talk to :P |
| 21:23:12 | Stevie[FP] | tboy, I presume that you use Rockbox? |
| 21:23:28 | natron | thanks TBoy... much appreciated |
| 21:25:37 | Stevie[FP] | TBoy: what model do you have? player/recorder/fm? |
| 21:26:54 | TBoy | F; |
| 21:26:55 | TBoy | FM |
| 21:27:01 | Stevie[FP] | cool, me too |
| 21:27:04 | Stevie[FP] | i have a question |
| 21:27:08 | TBoy | shoot |
| 21:27:24 | Stevie[FP] | do you keep the Status Bar on? |
| 21:27:52 | TBoy | yep |
| 21:28:00 | Stevie[FP] | ok, do you have the battery display as graphic or numeric? |
| 21:29:15 | TBoy | graphic and number on my wps |
| 21:29:38 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 21:29:47 | Stevie[FP] | so that's graphic on the status bar? |
| 21:30:09 | TBoy | yep |
| 21:30:43 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 21:30:48 | * | Stevie[FP] goes a-patchin' |
| 21:32:04 | natron | wow, can you buy the AV's yet ? |
| 21:32:21 | TBoy | just the 120 and 140 afaik |
| 21:32:43 | natron | i never saw them when i was shopping for mine |
| 21:34:11 | natron | the av300 is very nice looking |
| 21:34:25 | TBoy | yep |
| 21:34:32 | TBoy | that one's really nice |
| 21:34:45 | natron | maybe i should return mine and wait for that one |
| 21:34:49 | natron | i just got mine yesterday |
| 21:34:58 | TBoy | an MM right |
| 21:35:03 | natron | yea |
| 21:35:09 | natron | JBMM20 |
| 21:35:15 | TBoy | they're also good |
| 21:35:26 | natron | yea, they are nice indeed |
| 21:35:58 | TBoy | but the just thinkin of not beeing able to use open source made me pick the fm |
| 21:36:15 | natron | yea, i never knew that |
| 21:37:06 | natron | hopefully there will be open source firmware for the mm in the near future :) |
| 21:37:26 | TBoy | well let's just hope that guy or someone else will make |
| 21:37:31 | TBoy | one |
| 21:37:39 | natron | yea |
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| 21:53:24 | Stevie[FP] | hey tboy |
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| 22:00:14 | Stevie[FP] | hey tboy |
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| 22:00:34 | Stevie[FP] | wb zagor |
| 22:00:43 | Zagor | wb? |
| 22:00:46 | Zagor | ah, welcome back |
| 22:00:50 | * | Zagor is slow |
| 22:01:00 | josh966_ | can anyone in .us recommend an inexpensive microphone that outputs line level? i have read the faq and 'electret condenser' type seems best |
| 22:01:43 | Stevie[FP] | josh966_: no idea. |
| 22:01:55 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor: what model do you have? player/recorder/fm? |
| 22:02:57 | Zagor | recorder |
| 22:03:01 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:03:32 | Stevie[FP] | what exactly is HAVE_CHARGE_CTRL? |
| 22:04:05 | Zagor | only the recorder can turn charging on and off |
| 22:04:15 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 22:04:22 | Stevie[FP] | i wonder why they disabled that for the FM |
| 22:04:47 | TBoy | maybe because it uses lithium batts |
| 22:05:01 | Zagor | probably because they replaced the whole charging logic with a chip. LiIon is more picky about charging, iirc |
| 22:05:14 | Stevie[FP] | ah |
| 22:05:16 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:05:40 | Stevie[FP] | from what I recall, I think LiIon's behavior is somewhat opposite that of NiCd and NiMH |
| 22:05:48 | Stevie[FP] | LiIons prefer to be 'topped off' constantly |
| 22:06:03 | Zagor | ok |
| 22:06:13 | Stevie[FP] | so I guess it wouldn't make sense to not charge them if the power's there |
| 22:06:19 | Zagor | yeah |
| 22:06:21 | Stevie[FP] | what i don't fully understand is |
| 22:06:40 | Stevie[FP] | we only display a numeric percentage |
| 22:06:45 | Stevie[FP] | if charge_state==1 |
| 22:07:28 | Zagor | ? |
| 22:07:40 | Stevie[FP] | #ifdef HAVE_CHARGE_CTRL |
| 22:07:45 | Stevie[FP] | if ((global_settings.battery_type) && (charge_state != 1)) { |
| 22:07:50 | Stevie[FP] | #else |
| 22:07:54 | Stevie[FP] | if (global_settings.battery_type) { |
| 22:07:58 | Stevie[FP] | err |
| 22:08:00 | Stevie[FP] | if charge_state != 1 |
| 22:08:08 | TBoy | woah stevie |
| 22:08:10 | Zagor | file/line? |
| 22:08:22 | Stevie[FP] | icons.c line 161 |
| 22:08:44 | Zagor | looking |
| 22:08:47 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:09:04 | Stevie[FP] | it says 'graphical animation' |
| 22:09:09 | Stevie[FP] | but there's no animating thing there |
| 22:10:08 | Zagor | precisely. that code is only ran if the battery is not charging. |
| 22:10:14 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 22:10:30 | Stevie[FP] | oh, does it do what the original Archos infirmware does while charging? |
| 22:10:30 | Zagor | if the battery is charging, the icon is drawn by status.c (which draws an animation) |
| 22:10:37 | Stevie[FP] | that '-' '−−' '−−-' |
| 22:10:48 | Zagor | almost, yes |
| 22:10:55 | Zagor | we're about to change that though |
| 22:10:55 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:11:01 | Stevie[FP] | i see |
| 22:11:12 | Stevie[FP] | hmm to what? and why? |
| 22:11:18 | Zagor | and now that you point it out, we ought to only draw the battery icon in one place... |
| 22:11:32 | Stevie[FP] | well |
| 22:11:37 | Stevie[FP] | i bring this up because |
| 22:11:57 | Stevie[FP] | I have an idea |
| 22:12:07 | Stevie[FP] | it may not be the greatest idea |
| 22:12:21 | Stevie[FP] | and it's almost certainly not the absolute best implementation |
| 22:12:27 | Stevie[FP] | but if anybody wants a peek |
| 22:12:36 | TBoy | hey I used the archos firmware |
| 22:12:46 | TBoy | during the holidays on my fm |
| 22:12:51 | TBoy | and it is somewhat jerk |
| 22:12:53 | TBoy | jerky |
| 22:13:12 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: what is the idea? |
| 22:13:20 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/bat_test2.ajz |
| 22:13:24 | TBoy | it sometimes changes the batt graphic to the one while recharging |
| 22:13:37 | TBoy | and just turns off |
| 22:13:39 | Stevie[FP] | the archos firmware is so buggy |
| 22:13:50 | Stevie[FP] | I managed to crash it the day after I first got it |
| 22:14:10 | TBoy | yeah and I can't open playlists |
| 22:14:23 | Stevie[FP] | It always made me nervous that long ID3 tags caused display corruption |
| 22:14:32 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: would you mind just telling me? :-) |
| 22:14:37 | Stevie[FP] | well |
| 22:14:46 | TBoy | I have to add the folders and then start the playlist |
| 22:14:48 | Stevie[FP] | i'm trying to squeeze as much as possible into this status line |
| 22:14:56 | TBoy | sry for inturupting |
| 22:14:58 | TBoy | heeh |
| 22:14:59 | TBoy | hehe |
| 22:15:13 | Stevie[FP] | so I drew the lil 'plug' icon that indicates charging |
| 22:15:24 | Stevie[FP] | over top of the battery icon |
| 22:16:20 | Zagor | actually the plug does not mean charging, it only means plugged-in. on the recorder, you can be plugged without charging |
| 22:16:31 | Stevie[FP] | well |
| 22:16:35 | Stevie[FP] | the variable is called 'charging' |
| 22:16:47 | Stevie[FP] | void statusbar_icon_battery(int percent, bool charging) |
| 22:17:09 | Zagor | right. bad variable name. |
| 22:17:26 | Stevie[FP] | but anyway −− when it's plugged in, it draws the little plug icon on top of the battery |
| 22:17:33 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
| 22:17:43 | Stevie[FP] | but that version I built would be for FM |
| 22:17:45 | * | Stevie[FP] renames |
| 22:17:52 | Zagor | what are you doing with the saved space? |
| 22:17:56 | Stevie[FP] | nothing yet |
| 22:21:13 | Stevie[FP] | there |
| 22:21:14 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/ |
| 22:25:00 | Stevie[FP] | hey TBoy? |
| 22:25:44 | TBoy | yep |
| 22:25:51 | TBoy | want me to test |
| 22:26:45 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, check it out |
| 22:28:14 | TBoy | ok about to rolr |
| 22:28:15 | TBoy | rolo |
| 22:28:55 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
| 22:29:00 | Stevie[FP] | id software syndrome |
| 22:29:04 | * | Stevie[FP] eyes Zagor |
| 22:29:10 | Zagor | ? |
| 22:29:12 | Stevie[FP] | the bitmaps are sideways |
| 22:29:28 | Zagor | hah, yeah. messy, that |
| 22:29:50 | Stevie[FP] | i call it 'id software syndrome' because in Wolfenstein 3D and Doom |
| 22:30:03 | Stevie[FP] | all of the images were the same way |
| 22:30:22 | Stevie[FP] | any particular reason for that? |
| 22:30:37 | Zagor | the lcd works that way |
| 22:30:48 | TBoy | what you basiclly did is that you put the plug icon into the batt icon |
| 22:30:55 | Zagor | bits a arranged in rows of 8 |
| 22:31:08 | Stevie[FP] | TBoy: yeah |
| 22:31:17 | Stevie[FP] | weird. |
| 22:31:22 | Zagor | uh, not rows. columns. |
| 22:31:54 | TBoy | but why |
| 22:32:02 | TBoy | was it just for fun |
| 22:32:11 | Stevie[FP] | (1) to see if I could pull it off |
| 22:32:15 | Stevie[FP] | (2) to see if it would look good |
| 22:32:25 | TBoy | will it be inverted if the batt meter goes over the plug |
| 22:32:25 | Stevie[FP] | #1 was a virtually guaranteed 'yes' |
| 22:32:29 | Stevie[FP] | yes |
| 22:32:44 | Stevie[FP] | it looks a LOT nicer when it's drawn that way, in fact |
| 22:33:13 | TBoy | will it be inverted |
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| 22:33:21 | TBoy | if that would be kwl |
| 22:35:18 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
| 22:35:26 | Stevie[FP] | plug it in and let it charge |
| 22:35:30 | Stevie[FP] | then see what it looks like |
| 22:35:35 | Zagor | how are you doing if the display is numeric? |
| 22:35:54 | Stevie[FP] | I actually thought about that and handled it! |
| 22:36:03 | Stevie[FP] | it draws the numeric version in reverse video |
| 22:36:15 | Stevie[FP] | actually, it draws it, then if it's plugged in it uses lcd_invert() |
| 22:36:18 | Zagor | ok |
| 22:36:21 | Stevie[FP] | but the net effect is the same |
| 22:36:50 | Stevie[FP] | i build a recorder version if you want to see it |
| 22:37:38 | Stevie[FP] | it's really bad when the battery is partially charged, though |
| 22:37:51 | Stevie[FP] | because the plug image occupies the full width |
| 22:38:07 | Zagor | yeah |
| 22:38:18 | Stevie[FP] | it's very difficult to tell what part is what |
| 22:38:22 | Zagor | also it's not exactly obvious that inversed numbers means charging :-) |
| 22:38:34 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, I know |
| 22:38:43 | Stevie[FP] | I had to do something though :P |
| 22:38:49 | Stevie[FP] | now |
| 22:39:01 | Stevie[FP] | have you ever messed with the TI-8x calculators? |
| 22:39:13 | Zagor | nope |
| 22:39:28 | Stevie[FP] | the ones where people figured out a 'random undocumented feature' of the calculator |
| 22:39:38 | Stevie[FP] | and exploited it to run arbitrary assembler |
| 22:39:51 | Stevie[FP] | there were all sorts of games written |
| 22:40:07 | Stevie[FP] | tetris, a sidescroller called Sqrxz |
| 22:40:12 | Stevie[FP] | even a Doom-alike |
| 22:40:21 | Zagor | neat |
| 22:40:23 | Stevie[FP] | yeah :) |
| 22:40:30 | Stevie[FP] | 1-bit display depth |
| 22:40:34 | Stevie[FP] | however... |
| 22:40:35 | TBoy | kwl |
| 22:40:39 | TBoy | ok gotta go |
| 22:40:49 | TBoy | the inverted plug icon looks good steve |
| 22:40:54 | Stevie[FP] | ty :) |
| 22:41:05 | Stevie[FP] | someone figured out how to effectily get 2-bit display depth |
| 22:41:10 | Stevie[FP] | effectively, even |
| 22:41:19 | Zagor | interlacing? |
| 22:41:22 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
| 22:41:29 | Stevie[FP] | the calculator's OS didn't use interrupts |
| 22:41:35 | Zagor | unfortunately, we write to the lcd over a serial link so it's not very fast |
| 22:42:09 | Stevie[FP] | so they somehow used interrupts (and I assume page flipping) to emulate 2 bits |
| 22:42:13 | Zagor | although I don't think anyone has actually tried it yet... |
| 22:42:21 | Stevie[FP] | well |
| 22:42:27 | * | Stevie[FP] chex the website |
| 22:42:36 | TBoy | ok cu guys |
| 22:42:41 | Zagor | bye TBoy |
| 22:42:54 | TBoy | I'll test the plug thing tomorrow again |
| 22:43:04 | | Quit TBoy ("Bye guys") |
| 22:43:16 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:43:22 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
| 22:43:27 | Stevie[FP] | which of these datasheets is the lcd? |
| 22:43:32 | Zagor | salomon |
| 22:43:40 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 22:43:48 | Stevie[FP] | it's the same for recorder and fM? |
| 22:43:52 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:44:01 | Stevie[FP] | that would explain why none's listed under fm :) |
| 22:44:06 | Zagor | heh |
| 22:46:57 | Stevie[FP] | This pin is the static indicator driving output. It is only active in master operation. The frame signal output pin, M, should be used as the back plane signal for the static indicator. |
| 22:46:59 | Stevie[FP] | ugh |
| 22:47:08 | * | Stevie[FP] rubs his head |
| 22:47:50 | Zagor | hehe |
| 22:47:51 | Stevie[FP] | now this thing mentions phases and overlapping |
| 22:47:52 | Stevie[FP] | hmmmm |
| 22:48:28 | Stevie[FP] | do we know if the controller's in 'master' or 'slave' mode? |
| 22:48:51 | Zagor | i'd think so, but I don't remember |
| 22:53:37 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
| 22:53:51 | Stevie[FP] | I can't find the chip on the schematics |
| 22:55:04 | Zagor | no, it's on the actual lcd |
| 22:55:37 | Stevie[FP] | uhm |
| 22:56:06 | Stevie[FP] | but what about the connections to the lcd? |
| 22:57:06 | Zagor | you can see them here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/rec_iface_bottom.jpg |
| 22:57:44 | Stevie[FP] | is that the dead center? |
| 22:57:47 | Stevie[FP] | with the yellow wires |
| 22:57:50 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:58:06 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:58:13 | Stevie[FP] | on rec_interface.pdf |
| 22:58:15 | Stevie[FP] | there's the word Display |
| 22:58:29 | Stevie[FP] | by X2-1, X2-2, X2-3,... thru X2-18 |
| 22:58:33 | Stevie[FP] | is that it? |
| 22:58:57 | Zagor | where are you looking? |
| 22:59:12 | Stevie[FP] | right center |
| 22:59:14 | Stevie[FP] | or center right |
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| 23:00:28 | Zagor | rec_interface.pdf? |
| 23:01:09 | Stevie[FP] | yes |
| 23:01:28 | Zagor | url? |
| 23:01:50 | Zagor | oh, now I get it. duh. |
| 23:02:42 | Zagor | yes, that's it |
| 23:03:23 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 23:17:02 | Zagor | i'm off to bed |
| 23:17:04 | | Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") |
| 23:18:55 | Stevie[FP] | I just added a completely useless feature to my rockbox |
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| 23:33:06 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [gone] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
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