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| 00:21:06 | raindog | my rockbox is sick... |
| 00:21:30 | raindog | It bsod's windows every time I try to connect it |
| 00:22:00 | raindog | I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling my usb modules in device manager |
| 00:22:28 | raindog | and uninstalling / reinstalling the usb "mass storage" controller that archos provides |
| 00:22:40 | raindog | In every different sequence I can think of |
| 00:22:45 | raindog | it still doesn't work... |
| 00:23:12 | raindog | When I turn it on, it generally will let me look through my directories once |
| 00:23:33 | raindog | until it locks |
| 00:23:56 | raindog | then it will only stay on long enough to display "HD error" |
| 00:24:31 | raindog | Also, when I turn it on, the battery indicator says it's empty, even though it should be completely full |
| 00:24:47 | raindog | If anyone knows of anything I should try, please let me know |
| 00:28:01 | raindog | Oh yeah, I'm running firmware version 1.4 on windows xp |
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| 00:31:46 | midknight2k3 | man i dont believe it |
| 00:32:40 | raindog | what don't you believe? |
| 00:39:39 | midknight2k3 | nothing really |
| 00:40:13 | raindog | can you help me with a problem? |
| 00:40:36 | raindog | I can't figure this out. |
| 00:40:49 | midknight2k3 | im not a rockbox guy but |
| 00:40:55 | midknight2k3 | i'm not bad at it ;) |
| 00:41:00 | midknight2k3 | whats the porblem? |
| 00:44:15 | midknight2k3 | are you there? |
| 00:45:00 | raindog | yep here |
| 00:45:01 | raindog | sorry |
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| 00:45:19 | raindog | ok, so my rockbox was working fine... |
| 00:45:32 | raindog | until I reinstalled windows xp about 2 weeks ago |
| 00:45:41 | midknight2k3 | uh huh... |
| 00:45:50 | raindog | it reassigned it to a different drive letter (which may be unrelated, I don't know) |
| 00:46:16 | raindog | and now it stays on for maybe 30 seconds at a time |
| 00:46:27 | raindog | before saying it has an HD error and shutting off |
| 00:46:44 | midknight2k3 | is it a player or recorder? |
| 00:46:50 | raindog | When I hook it up to my computer, it doesn't even recognize it as a drive |
| 00:46:51 | raindog | player |
| 00:46:58 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 00:47:06 | midknight2k3 | is tha the end? |
| 00:47:16 | raindog | but it won't even let me get that far unless I plug it into usb BEFORE starting windows |
| 00:47:28 | raindog | if I'm already in windows it bsods |
| 00:47:32 | midknight2k3 | do you have the archos at hand? |
| 00:47:36 | raindog | yes |
| 00:47:48 | raindog | it's a player |
| 00:48:13 | midknight2k3 | well one thing to do is see if it has to do at all with rockbox |
| 00:48:28 | raindog | ok |
| 00:48:32 | raindog | how do I do that? |
| 00:48:37 | midknight2k3 | plug in the USB and afterward power on the archos and it will go to the archos usb mode, not rockboxes |
| 00:48:51 | midknight2k3 | dont turn on before plugging it in |
| 00:48:55 | midknight2k3 | only after |
| 00:48:58 | raindog | so connect the powersupply and the player? |
| 00:49:19 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 00:49:20 | raindog | if my comp crashes, you'll have to forgive me, I'll be right back |
| 00:49:25 | midknight2k3 | ok wait though |
| 00:49:29 | raindog | what is afterward power? |
| 00:49:46 | midknight2k3 | steps: plug in usb first, then turn on player (plug in or use battereis, whatever) |
| 00:49:57 | raindog | that will cause a bsod |
| 00:50:13 | midknight2k3 | are you sure? |
| 00:50:17 | raindog | positive |
| 00:50:34 | raindog | that and having the player on already before plugging up usb will cause a bsod |
| 00:50:53 | raindog | but I have to hurry with that because it won't stay on for but a few seconds before saying hd error |
| 00:50:55 | midknight2k3 | tried it? |
| 00:51:04 | raindog | yes, many many times |
| 00:51:17 | midknight2k3 | because it works differently if you do usb first than if you do it after powered up |
| 00:51:37 | raindog | I also tried uninstalling / reinstalling all my usb devices and the mass storage driver from archos in different combinations |
| 00:51:41 | midknight2k3 | what does the bsod say? |
| 00:51:43 | raindog | I know, trust me I've done both |
| 00:51:56 | midknight2k3 | just a fatal exception or whatever? |
| 00:52:03 | raindog | just the general "windows is stopping so it doesn't mess up your computer" |
| 00:52:11 | midknight2k3 | hmmm |
| 00:52:14 | midknight2k3 | Well |
| 00:52:17 | midknight2k3 | this is a bit odd |
| 00:52:23 | midknight2k3 | does the hard drive spin up like normal? |
| 00:52:31 | raindog | not really |
| 00:52:37 | raindog | it does the first time |
| 00:52:39 | midknight2k3 | not at all or what? |
| 00:52:43 | midknight2k3 | then stops? |
| 00:52:49 | raindog | but then I don't hear it and it just says HD error |
| 00:53:03 | midknight2k3 | So when you bott it up it starts and then stops and says 'hd error'? |
| 00:53:19 | midknight2k3 | *boot |
| 00:53:35 | raindog | BUT if I have the rockbox already in when I start xp, I can hear it searching for stuff on the drive... making a clicking sound, but the drive shows up as not detected when I get to windows |
| 00:54:06 | midknight2k3 | clicking? what about spinning? |
| 00:54:12 | midknight2k3 | if it's not spinning... |
| 00:54:22 | raindog | it sounds like it's spinning too |
| 00:54:31 | raindog | it sounds like a drive searching for something |
| 00:54:51 | raindog | but it probably does this for 15 seconds and windows takes a lot longer to boot |
| 00:55:13 | midknight2k3 | did you try plugging it straight into the computer? |
| 00:55:43 | raindog | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 00:55:59 | midknight2k3 | instead of into a usb hub |
| 00:56:08 | midknight2k3 | or by usb hub do you mean into the computer? |
| 00:56:16 | raindog | it is going into a usb pci card in the computer |
| 00:56:29 | midknight2k3 | ohok |
| 00:56:50 | midknight2k3 | well that's a bit odd |
| 00:56:57 | midknight2k3 | actually..... |
| 00:57:16 | midknight2k3 | does the archos make a clicking noise when it sounds likeits searching for something? |
| 00:57:17 | raindog | I was using a usb modem before |
| 00:57:30 | raindog | I thought it might be causing the problem |
| 00:57:35 | raindog | but it wasn't |
| 00:57:59 | raindog | It was while it still barely worked |
| 00:57:59 | midknight2k3 | Does it sound like: click, pauseclick, pauseclick and so on? |
| 00:58:05 | raindog | yes |
| 00:58:18 | midknight2k3 | the hard drive could very well be dead |
| 00:58:24 | midknight2k3 | but... |
| 00:58:41 | midknight2k3 | you say when you boot it up it works for about a half a minute? |
| 00:58:44 | raindog | awww mothersonofadog |
| 00:58:59 | midknight2k3 | but hang on |
| 00:59:21 | midknight2k3 | does it work for a little when you turn it on? |
| 00:59:25 | raindog | yeah it works for maybe half a minute ... then again I hear a bit of a click... just once this time... scrolling slows down... then it freezes and shuts off |
| 00:59:35 | raindog | It does the first time I try it for a while |
| 00:59:52 | midknight2k3 | does it show your files? |
| 00:59:53 | raindog | like if I leave it for a day and start it up again it works for 30 secs |
| 00:59:58 | raindog | yes |
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| 01:00:36 | midknight2k3 | yes that sounds like it might be the problem |
| 01:00:55 | raindog | what might be the problem??? |
| 01:01:00 | midknight2k3 | if you had a way to record it such as a microphone plugged into the pc i might be able to give you a better idea |
| 01:01:02 | raindog | showing me the files? |
| 01:01:16 | midknight2k3 | no the hard drive might be on its way out |
| 01:01:37 | raindog | now it won't even spin up... just says hd error |
| 01:01:52 | midknight2k3 | does it feel warm? |
| 01:02:03 | raindog | nope |
| 01:02:27 | raindog | I hope to god this thing is still under warranty |
| 01:02:30 | midknight2k3 | is ti a studio or a player |
| 01:02:36 | raindog | I've only had it for 3 mos |
| 01:02:41 | raindog | studio |
| 01:02:43 | raindog | studio 20 |
| 01:02:59 | raindog | but I was under the impression that studio = player |
| 01:02:59 | midknight2k3 | yes it should be under warranty then |
| 01:03:05 | midknight2k3 | so long as you havent tampered with it |
| 01:03:10 | raindog | nope |
| 01:03:14 | midknight2k3 | i think it's a litle bit differnt |
| 01:03:19 | raindog | I wonder if I have to send it to archos |
| 01:03:31 | raindog | or if I can just trade it out |
| 01:03:32 | midknight2k3 | well where did you get it? |
| 01:03:46 | raindog | bestbuy.com |
| 01:03:53 | raindog | gf got it for me |
| 01:04:02 | midknight2k3 | online then? |
| 01:04:03 | raindog | hope she kept the receipt |
| 01:04:16 | midknight2k3 | or at best buy store? |
| 01:04:17 | raindog | yes, but they have brick and mortar locations too |
| 01:04:23 | raindog | online |
| 01:04:49 | midknight2k3 | well i don't know if it's exchangeable in store |
| 01:05:02 | midknight2k3 | i know that archos should accept it if its only 3 months old |
| 01:05:27 | midknight2k3 | i wonder how it happened |
| 01:05:31 | raindog | well she got it at the end of january |
| 01:05:32 | midknight2k3 | did you drop it ever? |
| 01:05:37 | raindog | no, never |
| 01:05:48 | midknight2k3 | close enough |
| 01:06:09 | midknight2k3 | uh oh |
| 01:06:12 | raindog | I hope they don't disapprove the warranty because of the rockbox firmware |
| 01:06:17 | midknight2k3 | what day, like about the 25th? |
| 01:06:40 | raindog | sounds about right |
| 01:06:55 | raindog | it's probably just out of warranty range |
| 01:07:00 | raindog | knowing my luck |
| 01:07:05 | midknight2k3 | dont give up hope yet :) |
| 01:07:59 | midknight2k3 | oh my god you need to find out when she got it |
| 01:08:10 | raindog | is it 90 days? |
| 01:08:12 | midknight2k3 | you must be like 4 days out of range ha |
| 01:08:18 | midknight2k3 | that is not fair |
| 01:08:22 | midknight2k3 | archos should accept it |
| 01:08:24 | raindog | I will kill archos if that is the case |
| 01:08:27 | raindog | KILL them |
| 01:08:33 | midknight2k3 | it shouldnt be they're not bad people |
| 01:08:56 | midknight2k3 | theyll probably just say what the hell and fix it or replace it for you |
| 01:09:30 | raindog | they won't turn it away since I have rockbox on there, right? |
| 01:09:57 | midknight2k3 | well let me thing about that one |
| 01:10:18 | midknight2k3 | if you can, turn it on and go for the archos.mod file's delete button |
| 01:10:44 | raindog | no way I could be that quick |
| 01:11:29 | midknight2k3 | yeah if it's dying it might be too late |
| 01:11:33 | midknight2k3 | but the good thing is |
| 01:11:53 | midknight2k3 | they might not be able to fix it and throw it away |
| 01:12:04 | midknight2k3 | and just replace it without ever knowing about rockbox |
| 01:12:08 | raindog | true |
| 01:12:16 | midknight2k3 | make sure you bash in the hard drive before you send it in ;) |
| 01:12:23 | raindog | I wonder if they've seen any of their players with the firmware |
| 01:12:29 | midknight2k3 | oh yes |
| 01:12:29 | raindog | I'm not sure that would be a good idea |
| 01:12:50 | midknight2k3 | they even asked rockbox to use their firmware on the players and recorders for the shipping version :) |
| 01:12:56 | midknight2k3 | why not a good idea? |
| 01:13:28 | raindog | bashing in the HD? |
| 01:13:34 | raindog | it would look like I tampered with it |
| 01:13:40 | midknight2k3 | not bash it |
| 01:13:53 | midknight2k3 | just, you know, sort of TAP on it you know what i mean |
| 01:13:56 | raindog | drop it hard on some concrete? |
| 01:14:03 | midknight2k3 | or drop it from two feet |
| 01:14:04 | raindog | heheh |
| 01:14:07 | midknight2k3 | ha |
| 01:14:09 | midknight2k3 | but |
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| 01:14:22 | midknight2k3 | well there are three options here: |
| 01:14:32 | midknight2k3 | 1) leave the archos as it is and forget it |
| 01:14:37 | midknight2k3 | 2) send it to archos |
| 01:14:42 | midknight2k3 | 3) replace the hard drive |
| 01:14:51 | midknight2k3 | i'd say pick #2 |
| 01:14:57 | raindog | screw replacing the hard drive |
| 01:14:58 | midknight2k3 | but email them first |
| 01:15:00 | midknight2k3 | why? |
| 01:15:09 | raindog | it would cost me money |
| 01:15:14 | raindog | they should be paying for this |
| 01:15:17 | midknight2k3 | yeah i suppose |
| 01:15:25 | midknight2k3 | just hurry up and ship it to them |
| 01:15:47 | midknight2k3 | send also a letter inside saying that you're sorry but it happend just one or 2 days out of the warranty range |
| 01:15:47 | raindog | I will email it today |
| 01:15:52 | raindog | or email them |
| 01:15:56 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 01:16:04 | raindog | this actually happened about 2 weeks ago |
| 01:16:11 | midknight2k3 | well they ought to cover it then |
| 01:16:26 | midknight2k3 | it started to mess up but simply stopped a few days ago |
| 01:16:34 | raindog | still I would like to know for sure that this is the problem for sure first |
| 01:16:42 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 01:16:48 | midknight2k3 | do you have a computer microphone? |
| 01:16:51 | midknight2k3 | oh crap |
| 01:16:58 | midknight2k3 | i forgot it doesnt boot heh |
| 01:16:59 | raindog | ? |
| 01:17:05 | raindog | yeah |
| 01:17:07 | midknight2k3 | never mind |
| 01:17:15 | midknight2k3 | hang on a sec then |
| 01:17:19 | midknight2k3 | i have an ide |
| 01:17:58 | raindog | shoot |
| 01:18:21 | midknight2k3 | no hang on |
| 01:20:02 | midknight2k3 | one more sec.. |
| 01:22:03 | midknight2k3 | ok got it |
| 01:22:24 | midknight2k3 | download these sounds and tell me if any of them sound (ed) like your archos's little slip-up |
| 01:22:26 | midknight2k3 | http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,22373,00.asp |
| 01:23:15 | raindog | doing that now |
| 01:23:29 | midknight2k3 | should be the pauseclick one |
| 01:23:37 | midknight2k3 | but you tell me if any of them sound similar |
| 01:24:52 | midknight2k3 | are you on 56k? |
| 01:27:26 | raindog | closest to cycleclick if anything |
| 01:27:29 | raindog | but not exactly |
| 01:27:33 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 01:27:45 | midknight2k3 | my computer one went out like that |
| 01:28:04 | midknight2k3 | it spun up then clicked, the spun up again and stuff |
| 01:28:18 | raindog | sigh |
| 01:28:25 | raindog | so I guess it is probably just a drive gone bad |
| 01:28:35 | midknight2k3 | 'going' |
| 01:28:43 | midknight2k3 | id send archos an email right away |
| 01:28:46 | raindog | pretty weird that it quit working right with the clean install though |
| 01:28:57 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 01:28:59 | midknight2k3 | i wonde |
| 01:29:02 | midknight2k3 | i wonder |
| 01:29:06 | midknight2k3 | period |
| 01:29:12 | raindog | heh |
| 01:29:15 | raindog | so do I |
| 01:30:15 | raindog | guess I should register this thing huh? |
| 01:30:24 | midknight2k3 | yes right away |
| 01:30:29 | midknight2k3 | send them an email |
| 01:38:21 | raindog | well my girlfriend isn't totally sure what day she bought it |
| 01:38:27 | raindog | so I've gotta wait for her to get back |
| 01:38:37 | midknight2k3 | all right look for that receept |
| 01:38:38 | raindog | the drive isn't spinning at all now before it goes to HD error |
| 01:38:47 | raindog | yeah she said she has it somewhere |
| 01:38:49 | midknight2k3 | must be dead |
| 01:39:00 | raindog | what else could it be really |
| 01:39:28 | midknight2k3 | seriously? |
| 01:39:39 | raindog | yeah |
| 01:39:53 | raindog | could it be something other than the drive going bad? |
| 01:40:13 | midknight2k3 | not much i could think of actually, if it was clicking over and over and gave a 'hd error' id assume the hard drive is out of here |
| 01:40:25 | midknight2k3 | it's probably in hard drive heaven now :\ |
| 01:40:49 | * | raindog sheds a few tears. |
| 01:41:08 | raindog | it was always louder than I thought it should be |
| 01:41:11 | raindog | is that normal? |
| 01:41:13 | * | midknight2k3 says let's torch it till it melts |
| 01:41:25 | midknight2k3 | no it's not normal |
| 01:41:30 | midknight2k3 | it's odd actually |
| 01:41:36 | midknight2k3 | if nothing happened to it |
| 01:41:44 | midknight2k3 | but then that's just how things often work out |
| 01:42:08 | raindog | it was always a bit clicky when searching for stuff |
| 01:42:23 | midknight2k3 | oh well when searching it might be a bit loud yes |
| 01:42:42 | midknight2k3 | but it's not normal to do that sort of stuff |
| 01:42:49 | raindog | I thought so |
| 01:42:54 | raindog | nothing prompted this |
| 01:43:07 | raindog | but you know what I thought was odd? |
| 01:43:20 | raindog | when I do get it to go on, the battery indicator says 0% |
| 01:43:46 | midknight2k3 | did it always show up right away as a low battery? |
| 01:43:48 | raindog | even if it's been charging a long time... EVEN if it's plugged into dc |
| 01:44:00 | midknight2k3 | doesn't it take like 30 seconds to display the power level? |
| 01:44:09 | raindog | Yes, the first time this happened was right after I played some stuff on my computer from my fresh install |
| 01:44:22 | raindog | the day after it showed up as the batteries being completely empty |
| 01:44:35 | raindog | and it played like 1.5 minutes of music then quit working completely |
| 01:44:38 | midknight2k3 | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:45:09 | midknight2k3 | yes the rw heads have probably gotten misaligned |
| 01:45:15 | midknight2k3 | i hope i worded that right |
| 01:45:23 | raindog | rw heads?? |
| 01:45:32 | raindog | oh read / write |
| 01:45:47 | midknight2k3 | the movey thingys that slidey when the drivey is spinney uppey |
| 01:45:52 | midknight2k3 | glee |
| 01:45:59 | raindog | anything I can do to remedy that? |
| 01:46:17 | midknight2k3 | well if archos refuses to touch it |
| 01:46:30 | midknight2k3 | i'd say your best bet is to disassemble the drive |
| 01:46:35 | raindog | it still sounds like it's spinning... it just sounds like it's searching in vain for whatever its looking for |
| 01:46:37 | midknight2k3 | just look inside be VERY CLEAN |
| 01:46:47 | midknight2k3 | and see if anything wrong |
| 01:46:53 | midknight2k3 | yes that's prabably it |
| 01:47:15 | raindog | but how can I fix it if my computer won't even recognize it as a drive? |
| 01:47:28 | raindog | I'm not even sure I'd know if anything looked out of place |
| 01:47:28 | midknight2k3 | it usually spins, but the heads are trying to move back onto the hard drive and get to the data but they've fallen off the track |
| 01:47:50 | midknight2k3 | maybe (and be careful) watch what it does when you turn it on |
| 01:48:01 | raindog | oh I see |
| 01:48:05 | midknight2k3 | see if the heads try to move but are stuck or something and work from there |
| 01:48:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:48:23 | midknight2k3 | it's dangerous though |
| 01:48:37 | raindog | are the heads part of the "spindle"? |
| 01:48:46 | midknight2k3 | not really |
| 01:48:55 | midknight2k3 | they move on a spereate motor and stick out onto the spindle |
| 01:49:02 | midknight2k3 | and touch it to see the data |
| 01:49:23 | midknight2k3 | but to check it out, get in a clean area and perhaps cover the drive with saran wrap immediately for more sfety |
| 01:49:26 | midknight2k3 | dust can kill it |
| 01:49:49 | raindog | geez I don't know if I'd feel safe doing this |
| 01:49:55 | midknight2k3 | but then again if it's dead and archos refuses, whats there to lose? |
| 01:51:35 | raindog | sigh |
| 01:51:40 | raindog | unfortunately not much |
| 01:51:44 | midknight2k3 | yeah it sucks |
| 01:51:49 | raindog | but I'm not planning on mentioning the firmware to them |
| 01:51:57 | midknight2k3 | but if you hurry archos might have a good hard |
| 01:52:03 | midknight2k3 | hard=heart |
| 01:52:09 | midknight2k3 | yes, don't |
| 01:52:14 | midknight2k3 | ick |
| 01:52:25 | midknight2k3 | hah i dont want to know how that sentence could have ended |
| 01:52:31 | midknight2k3 | 'might have a good hard...' |
| 01:52:32 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 01:52:33 | raindog | lol |
| 01:52:43 | raindog | ask sigmund freud |
| 01:52:54 | midknight2k3 | no thank you |
| 01:53:06 | midknight2k3 | well i think it has nothing to do with rockbox |
| 01:53:23 | raindog | probably not |
| 01:53:36 | raindog | it's just weird that it started acting up when it got assigned a different drive letter |
| 01:53:46 | raindog | even though that might not have done anything |
| 01:54:02 | raindog | that seemed to be what set it off |
| 01:54:06 | midknight2k3 | yeah its hard to say but if it's dead which i am 95% sure it is, |
| 01:54:20 | midknight2k3 | it could have nothing to do with a different drive letter |
| 01:54:45 | raindog | well I know that |
| 01:54:52 | raindog | it didn't get any kind of shock or anything though |
| 01:55:07 | raindog | that's just the last point at which it worked normally |
| 01:55:10 | midknight2k3 | you proabably just got a bad unit |
| 01:55:22 | raindog | Yeah I guess I did |
| 01:55:28 | raindog | maybe it was a refurb |
| 01:55:32 | midknight2k3 | heh as you state 'knowing my luck' |
| 01:55:59 | midknight2k3 | i dont believe it! sonicblue hasn't sent me an email back |
| 01:56:05 | raindog | I guess all I can really do is email em |
| 01:56:11 | raindog | they haven't? |
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| 01:56:19 | midknight2k3 | those little SUCKERS |
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| 01:56:36 | midknight2k3 | huh lol |
| 01:56:45 | raindog1 | someone stole my name!! |
| 01:56:50 | midknight2k3 | huh? |
| 01:56:53 | raindog1 | those bastards |
| 01:56:58 | midknight2k3 | are you the one i just was talking to? |
| 01:57:03 | raindog1 | yes |
| 01:57:08 | midknight2k3 | who did lol |
| 01:57:18 | raindog1 | I'm guessing I did |
| 01:57:22 | midknight2k3 | hahahaha |
| 01:57:24 | raindog1 | or raindog did actually |
| 01:57:26 | midknight2k3 | "* raindog has quit IRC (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)))" |
| 01:57:35 | midknight2k3 | ouch hahahahahahahaha |
| 01:57:35 | raindog1 | yep |
| 01:57:36 | raindog1 | heh |
| 01:57:50 | midknight2k3 | like i was saying, sonicbluesucks as customerservice |
| 01:58:01 | raindog1 | archos better I hope? |
| 01:58:15 | midknight2k3 | oh yes |
| 01:58:19 | raindog1 | how long have you been waiting on a response? |
| 01:58:22 | midknight2k3 | they're pretty good about it |
| 01:58:30 | midknight2k3 | well sonicblue is starting to make me really mad |
| 01:58:39 | midknight2k3 | waiting... its not so much that |
| 01:58:58 | midknight2k3 | it's that i keep sending them emails that take 20 minutes to type and get no response |
| 01:59:03 | midknight2k3 | that is, an automated one |
| 01:59:08 | midknight2k3 | hateit! |
| 01:59:18 | raindog1 | ugh |
| 01:59:22 | raindog1 | that would tick me off too |
| 01:59:44 | midknight2k3 | i asked them about the rioriot and they sent me back something saying "check these FAQs for more information" and it all had to do with diffrent models and everything |
| 01:59:59 | midknight2k3 | i replied, "no that doesnt work, please try again" anbd i got ignored |
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| 02:00:14 | midknight2k3 | i wish i could return it now |
| 02:00:57 | raindog1 | I bet |
| 02:01:06 | raindog1 | why'd you go with a sonicblue and not archos? |
| 02:01:11 | midknight2k3 | i wanted it so much at first but now it's like it |
| 02:01:16 | midknight2k3 | i have an archos as well |
| 02:01:28 | midknight2k3 | well not technically |
| 02:01:47 | raindog1 | not technically? |
| 02:02:01 | midknight2k3 | my mom has one |
| 02:02:09 | midknight2k3 | who could not like the looks though of the rioriot |
| 02:02:10 | midknight2k3 | http://www.sonicblue.com/shop/_templates/item_main.asp?model=76&cat=33&dbsb_ref=http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=rioriot |
| 02:02:45 | midknight2k3 | and the display is huge |
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| 02:03:04 | midknight2k3 | it's nibbler |
| 02:03:06 | raindog1 | gotta admit that does look pretty smooth |
| 02:03:11 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 02:03:16 | midknight2k3 | even more so in action |
| 02:03:21 | midknight2k3 | but they wont even update it |
| 02:03:29 | midknight2k3 | last firmware was like 4/20/02 |
| 02:03:35 | raindog1 | that sux |
| 02:03:39 | midknight2k3 | all it added was more battery life |
| 02:03:45 | midknight2k3 | i was like, oh wow |
| 02:04:04 | midknight2k3 | i am not happy with it anymore |
| 02:04:17 | raindog1 | I have to admit I like my studio a LOT more after throwing roxbox on it |
| 02:04:21 | midknight2k3 | it sounds good and has a great screen but if they can't expand it with more features then whats the use? |
| 02:04:28 | midknight2k3 | yes that it just it |
| 02:04:37 | midknight2k3 | rockbox is the only reason i bear the archos |
| 02:04:38 | raindog1 | although I do wish my gf would have sprung for the recorder |
| 02:04:45 | raindog1 | but hey beggars can't be choosers |
| 02:04:46 | midknight2k3 | it is nice the recorder |
| 02:04:55 | midknight2k3 | yeah they both play mp3s |
| 02:05:33 | midknight2k3 | okay well it boils down to two possible conclusions |
| 02:05:39 | midknight2k3 | as follows: |
| 02:05:44 | raindog1 | but I could theoretically play doom on the recorder now :) |
| 02:05:49 | raindog1 | and tetris |
| 02:06:12 | midknight2k3 | 1) sonciblue updates rioriot soon with divx movie support and 20 band graphic eq qith 50 hours battery life or 2) im pissed |
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| 02:06:25 | raindog1 | wow divx movie support! |
| 02:06:28 | midknight2k3 | i think it's more likely #2 |
| 02:06:31 | midknight2k3 | not really |
| 02:06:34 | midknight2k3 | it's a joke |
| 02:06:34 | raindog1 | probably so |
| 02:06:39 | raindog1 | yeah I got it now |
| 02:06:49 | midknight2k3 | i meant either 1) they do the impossible or 2) im going to be mad |
| 02:06:58 | midknight2k3 | sigh |
| 02:07:06 | midknight2k3 | i really want, the archos multimedia jukebox |
| 02:07:45 | midknight2k3 | it would be nice if rockbox would work on the rioriot |
| 02:08:05 | midknight2k3 | that screen just screams, 'take advantage of me!' |
| 02:08:39 | midknight2k3 | they could have a nice WPS - instead it's less informative than archos' with about a 3/4 inch song title and a half inch album name/artist name |
| 02:09:02 | midknight2k3 | a huge volume level that doesn't even really help |
| 02:09:16 | midknight2k3 | and a big current time and remaining time display |
| 02:09:30 | midknight2k3 | that makes a big fat 'wasted screen space' title for it |
| 02:10:27 | midknight2k3 | FranzK! |
| 02:10:49 | raindog1 | does anyone ever speak in here? |
| 02:10:58 | midknight2k3 | UM? |
| 02:11:03 | midknight2k3 | I SAID LIKE 50 SENTENCES |
| 02:11:09 | raindog1 | I know |
| 02:11:11 | midknight2k3 | DID YOU READ THEM? |
| 02:11:17 | raindog1 | but there are like 20 people in here |
| 02:11:27 | raindog1 | yes |
| 02:11:28 | midknight2k3 | you know how boring it is when youre not hre and no one else is |
| 02:11:32 | midknight2k3 | i know |
| 02:11:43 | midknight2k3 | i haven't seen 95% of them say a WORD. |
| 02:11:48 | raindog1 | just seems odd that all these people would be logged in |
| 02:12:00 | midknight2k3 | well they always stay here |
| 02:12:02 | midknight2k3 | day and night |
| 02:12:52 | midknight2k3 | stupid! |
| 02:12:58 | midknight2k3 | http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/from_redirect/0,10987,1101020422-230383,00.html |
| 02:13:02 | raindog1 | I've seen people hop on here and not say anything though |
| 02:13:08 | midknight2k3 | oh wow im going to pay to read your ipod hacking article! |
| 02:13:19 | midknight2k3 | that's just stupid |
| 02:13:46 | raindog1 | that's the catch |
| 02:14:00 | midknight2k3 | waste of bandwidth |
| 02:14:56 | FranzK | come on boyz... thats redicolous... |
| 02:15:01 | midknight2k3 | what? |
| 02:15:09 | midknight2k3 | do you buy franz bread? |
| 02:15:14 | midknight2k3 | just kiddling lol |
| 02:15:21 | FranzK | to talk about noone talkes... |
| 02:15:26 | FranzK | whats franz bread? |
| 02:15:39 | midknight2k3 | you know... |
| 02:15:55 | midknight2k3 | it's like a brand of bread |
| 02:16:10 | midknight2k3 | well if its boring in here why dont you contribute to the conversation |
| 02:17:00 | FranzK | i did not say it's boring... by the way whats the time at your place? |
| 02:17:17 | midknight2k3 | 5:16pm |
| 02:17:58 | FranzK | you know that's the reason why you don't find people talking in here... |
| 02:18:11 | midknight2k3 | whats it over ther |
| 02:19:09 | FranzK | its 10:19 am here... i'm in sydney... so it's 1:19am in europe... |
| 02:19:25 | midknight2k3 | that smells bad |
| 02:20:08 | FranzK | switch off the - play smells tick-box... |
| 02:20:32 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 02:20:51 | midknight2k3 | ha thaat makes no sense |
| 02:21:25 | FranzK | didn't want to make sense... |
| 02:21:40 | midknight2k3 | haha |
| 02:21:53 | midknight2k3 | switch off the - play smells tick-box |
| 02:21:56 | midknight2k3 | HAHAHAHAH |
| 02:22:01 | midknight2k3 | i have to write that down |
| 02:22:07 | midknight2k3 | and shout it in public |
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| 02:22:39 | FranzK | so what ever you want with it... there is no copyright on it... :-)) |
| 02:22:49 | FranzK | i have to go as well... |
| 02:22:53 | midknight2k3 | no! |
| 02:22:53 | FranzK | see ya... |
| 02:22:56 | midknight2k3 | you're funny |
| 02:23:00 | midknight2k3 | aww man |
| 02:23:00 | midknight2k3 | bye |
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| 13:12:16 | TBoy | hoi |
| 13:12:22 | TBoy | does any1 use trillian |
| 13:13:10 | TBoy | I don't know how to make it get the rssfedd |
| 13:13:12 | TBoy | rssfeed |
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| 13:17:57 | TBoy | track my man |
| 13:18:08 | tracktheripper | hi :-) |
| 13:18:15 | TBoy | do you use the rssfeed feature to get the rb digest |
| 13:18:22 | tracktheripper | at least thats a few other house-jobs done |
| 13:19:40 | tracktheripper | I feel Rockbox has every feasible feature implemented now :-) |
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| 13:43:14 | yuoyoyo | hello, i have a question? |
| 13:43:18 | webmind | good |
| 13:43:20 | webmind | ask away |
| 13:43:42 | yuoyoyo | i was wondering, if it is possible to switch back to the Archos software without deleting rockbox, just so i can record using their software? |
| 13:43:54 | yuoyoyo | (then use rockbox again after recording) |
| 13:44:33 | yuoyoyo | (i have the Jukebox RecordeR) |
| 13:44:45 | webmind | i guess u'd have to rename it.. |
| 13:45:00 | webmind | so u do have to have xs to a pc like device to switch between m |
| 13:45:16 | yuoyoyo | huh? can u be a little more specific? |
| 13:47:49 | webmind | then in order to switch between archos firmware and rockbox u need to be connected to a computer |
| 13:47:56 | webmind | something with usb |
| 13:48:19 | yuoyoyo | theres no way to switch without a computer? |
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| 13:48:51 | yuoyoyo | what if i rename the rockbox file using rockbox software, then reboot?? |
| 13:48:57 | webmind | i dont think so |
| 13:48:58 | webmind | hm |
| 13:49:03 | webmind | if u can. i guess so |
| 13:49:45 | yuoyoyo | can this option be implemented into the rockbox in the future? Like an option "reboot using Archos software"? |
| 13:50:37 | webmind | u could request it on the site |
| 13:50:46 | yuoyoyo | oh, ok. thanks!! |
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| 13:52:30 | MT | erm |
| 13:52:41 | MT | you just load the archos firmware using rolo |
| 13:52:41 | webmind | ? |
| 13:52:47 | webmind | rolo ? |
| 13:52:51 | MT | yes |
| 13:53:02 | webmind | what's that ? |
| 13:53:13 | MT | you put the archos firmware file somewhere on the hard drive |
| 13:53:20 | MT | browse to it in rockbox |
| 13:53:23 | MT | and play it |
| 13:53:25 | MT | and it boots |
| 13:53:49 | webmind | ah ok |
| 13:53:51 | MT | rolo is the rockbox loader |
| 13:53:51 | webmind | well |
| 13:53:52 | webmind | uhm |
| 13:53:55 | webmind | ok :) |
| 13:55:31 | MT | FAQ #32 |
| 13:56:08 | webmind | well he'll see the site soon enough i guess |
| 13:56:22 | MT | *cough* also, FAQ #46 might need changing ;) |
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| 14:00:56 | webmind | battery-faq#9 should be updated aswell |
| 14:02:20 | webmind | alkaline batts maybe not recommended.. but they work fine |
| 14:28:32 | * | webmind pokes someone who manages the faq |
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| 14:34:13 | Hes | alkaline batteries didn't work for someone... didn't provide enough current for the disk, the box died every now and then when the disk started spinning. |
| 14:34:40 | Hes | if i recall correctly... it might depend on the type&make of the batteries. |
| 14:35:19 | webmind | err ? |
| 14:35:42 | webmind | NOT enough power? the alkaline provide more power than the nimh batteries |
| 14:35:51 | webmind | Hes, but i heard no one tried yet ? |
| 14:36:07 | webmind | the expected probs where more overheating and over powering the hardware |
| 14:36:23 | webmind | and uhm.. i've run over 8 hours without ANY probs on alkalines.. |
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| 16:20:10 | Bagder | only a bit |
| 16:21:11 | lodesi | Do you know how to add a new entry as a langage string (LANG_ ...)? |
| 16:21:56 | lodesi | (sorry for my bad english...) |
| 16:22:21 | Bagder | add it in english.lang, last in the file |
| 16:23:26 | lodesi | I did it with french.lang (because i'm french...) and i had errors on compilation :( |
| 16:23:45 | Bagder | yes, you must add them to the english one |
| 16:23:53 | Bagder | the english one is the master file |
| 16:23:55 | lodesi | ok, thanks! |
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| 18:46:47 | TBoy | can some1 help me out |
| 18:48:05 | TBoy | I can't get my trillian to get the RSS |
| 18:48:11 | TBoy | from the diges |
| 18:48:14 | TBoy | digest |
| 18:56:45 | Stevie[FP] | dunno |
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| 19:14:54 | TBoy | darn |
| 19:15:11 | TBoy | it just doesn't do anything |
| 19:18:03 | Stevie[FP] | write yer own rss parser |
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| 19:22:54 | TBoy | yea I could but I just wanted to use the in trillian |
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| 20:12:57 | tracktheripper | hi |
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| 20:29:32 | tracktheripper | hi Bagder |
| 20:29:33 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 20:29:43 | Bagder | howdy |
| 20:30:12 | tracktheripper | don't worry ive promised to spell ur name right from now on |
| 20:30:19 | Bagder | hehe |
| 20:30:31 | Bagder | I was *so* worried there for a moment ;-P |
| 20:30:37 | tracktheripper | but you still should have called urself "Badger" |
| 20:30:38 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 20:32:21 | * | adi|work slaps tracktheripper |
| 20:37:52 | tracktheripper | ouch |
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| 20:38:27 | TBoy | hoi |
| 20:39:43 | Bagder | 'lo |
| 20:40:42 | tracktheripper | ((thumps Adimas)) |
| 20:40:45 | tracktheripper | hi Tboy |
| 20:40:45 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 20:40:49 | * | adi|work shivers |
| 20:40:49 | TBoy | how's life treatin ya bagder |
| 20:40:51 | adi|work | do it again |
| 20:41:15 | Bagder | life is fine in this end |
| 20:41:37 | tracktheripper | ((slaps Adimas)) |
| 20:41:38 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 20:44:08 | Bagder | Linus listed to radio on his FM yday |
| 20:44:13 | Bagder | listened |
| 20:44:19 | adi|work | sweet :) |
| 20:45:05 | tracktheripper | hi Adi|work :-) |
| 20:46:09 | Stevie[FP] | i presume you're implying 'with rockbox' |
| 20:46:14 | adi|work | howdy. |
| 20:46:20 | adi|work | im fixing the level loading right now... |
| 20:46:26 | Bagder | based on rockbox code, at least ;-) |
| 20:46:27 | Stevie[FP] | since I could always do that, by using Rolo to load the original Archos firmware |
| 20:46:28 | adi|work | my machine at home is no closer to being correct |
| 20:46:30 | tracktheripper | no hard feelings adi|work |
| 20:50:06 | TBoy | thats cool |
| 20:50:21 | TBoy | lookin forward to see what it will look like |
| 20:52:42 | tracktheripper | drive partitioning |
| 20:54:23 | TBoy | bagder: on F3 the LCD Mode button says inverse but shouldn't it be iverted |
| 20:55:14 | tracktheripper | yea why not include Backlight mode in the F3 Menu? |
| 20:55:53 | TBoy | well anyway bagder your the one who equipped the digest with rss |
| 20:55:58 | tracktheripper | you could have 1) Inverse On/ Backlight On, 2) Inverse Off/Backlight On, 3)Inverse On/Backlight Off and 4) Inverse Off/Backlight Off |
| 20:56:03 | Bagder | reading a dictionary, I can see how both inverse and invert could be fine |
| 20:56:47 | TBoy | I just thought that invert would sound better but lets not waste valuable time |
| 20:56:50 | tracktheripper | what do u think Bagder? |
| 20:56:58 | Stevie[FP] | hey you guys |
| 20:57:13 | Bagder | tracktheripper: I wanna get rid of the f3 screen completely ;-) |
| 20:57:20 | Stevie[FP] | i have a question |
| 20:57:22 | Stevie[FP] | bagder? |
| 20:57:26 | tracktheripper | and what would take its place? |
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| 20:57:45 | TBoy | have you got an idea why trillian doesn't capture the feed |
| 20:57:52 | Stevie[FP] | is it valid rss? |
| 20:58:09 | TBoy | it gets every other feed I have found and tested except the rb one :-( |
| 20:58:21 | Bagder | Stevie[FP]: it validates fine on the rss vaildator |
| 20:58:25 | TBoy | yep it says so |
| 20:58:28 | Stevie[FP] | oh well |
| 20:58:29 | Stevie[FP] | anyway |
| 20:58:31 | Bagder | but it assumes that you can show the content as html |
| 20:58:33 | Stevie[FP] | Bagder, I pose a query |
| 20:58:55 | Stevie[FP] | What if we merged the F2 and F3 screens together? |
| 20:59:06 | tracktheripper | Badger what would replace the F3 screen? |
| 20:59:06 | Stevie[FP] | so far, on both screens, the 'Up' key is unused |
| 20:59:31 | tracktheripper | yea the UP key should be used |
| 20:59:45 | Stevie[FP] | I could patch it to switch between the "F2 menu" and the "F3 menu" |
| 20:59:54 | Stevie[FP] | then F3 would be available for whatever |
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| 21:00:08 | adi|work | Bagder: with tr if i want to do a fixed translation (ie level: #\n) how do i do that? |
| 21:00:17 | adi|work | tr -d 'level: [:digit:]\n' |
| 21:00:29 | adi|work | that is removing spaces and \n's where i dont want them gone |
| 21:00:59 | Bagder | adi|work: I think sed is a better tool for that |
| 21:01:05 | Stevie[FP] | tr is character translation |
| 21:01:20 | adi|work | k. |
| 21:01:32 | Stevie[FP] | Bagder: how does that sound? |
| 21:02:19 | Bagder | I see no need for the f3 stuff anyway |
| 21:02:36 | TBoy | yea thats right |
| 21:02:39 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-04/0946.shtml |
| 21:02:39 | Stevie[FP] | well some of us might want it |
| 21:02:44 | Stevie[FP] | if the f2 stuff showed first |
| 21:02:47 | TBoy | but why was the up button never used |
| 21:03:03 | Stevie[FP] | I dunno |
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| 21:03:13 | Stevie[FP] | only the Recorder/FM have f1/f2/f3 right? |
| 21:03:38 | TBoy | no I think player too |
| 21:03:43 | Bagder | no |
| 21:03:53 | Bagder | only the recorders |
| 21:03:59 | TBoy | ohh ok |
| 21:04:11 | TBoy | at first I thought I was right :-) |
| 21:08:15 | adi|work | cat levels.txt | sed 's/level: .*//' |
| 21:08:20 | adi|work | okay.. that kills most of it.. |
| 21:08:24 | adi|work | but i can't get the \n |
| 21:08:27 | adi|work | cat levels.txt | sed 's/level: .*\n//' |
| 21:08:29 | adi|work | fails |
| 21:08:37 | adi|work | ideas? |
| 21:08:48 | Bagder | sed 's/level: .*$//' |
| 21:08:54 | Bagder | I think |
| 21:09:12 | adi|work | hmm that would only anchor to the end.. dont see how that helps.. but ill try |
| 21:09:37 | adi|work | nope.. still have the carriage return |
| 21:11:09 | Stevie[FP] | read the sed FAQ |
| 21:11:11 | Stevie[FP] | i'm sure it has info |
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| 21:16:34 | Guest | hey |
| 21:16:37 | Guest | everyone |
| 21:16:46 | Bagder | hi ho |
| 21:17:13 | Guest | badger, you're in the inner circle of rockbox, yes? |
| 21:17:31 | Bagder | we're all a big happy family! ;-) |
| 21:17:37 | Guest | ;) |
| 21:17:41 | Bagder | but I would say I am, yes |
| 21:18:04 | Guest | i'm wondering if perhaps you could assist me with a problem . . . |
| 21:18:10 | | Join Guest1 [0] (~jirc@216.206.241.99) |
| 21:18:24 | Guest | if you're not too busy . . . |
| 21:18:32 | Bagder | tell us your problems and we'll try |
| 21:18:42 | Guest | much appreciated. thanks. |
| 21:19:10 | Guest | i have a jukebox recorder 20 and i recently installed rockbox 2.0, which i was enjoying very much |
| 21:19:21 | Guest | but then the other day the thing froze up on me |
| 21:19:39 | Guest | when i turn it on i can only get to the Archos startup screen |
| 21:19:51 | Stevie[FP] | which screen is that? |
| 21:20:12 | TBoy | the one with the archos loading bar, I assume |
| 21:20:20 | Guest | yes that one |
| 21:20:26 | TBoy | the one before rb stevie |
| 21:20:31 | adi|work | guest.. which version are you using? |
| 21:20:32 | Bagder | what happens when you connect it to your computer? |
| 21:20:32 | Guest | only three bars will turn black |
| 21:20:37 | adi|work | is it 2.0 or a later daily build? |
| 21:20:47 | Guest | 2.0 rockbox |
| 21:20:57 | Guest | but the archos startup screen saays OS Version 1.28 |
| 21:21:40 | Bagder | what happens when you connect it to your computer? |
| 21:22:14 | Guest | i spoke to Archos customer svc. and first they thought it might be a batter problem, but i've recharged it all the way and then they suggested i put in regular batteries just for a brief test run and those didn't work either |
| 21:22:34 | Guest | when i hook it up to the computer the same thing happens−−freezes at opening screen |
| 21:22:35 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
| 21:22:48 | adi|work | guest... when you hook it up to the computer |
| 21:22:51 | Guest | thank you so much everyone. |
| 21:22:52 | Bagder | sounds like broken hw |
| 21:22:56 | adi|work | make sure the ajbrec file is smaller then 200k |
| 21:22:57 | Guest | hw? |
| 21:23:02 | Stevie[FP] | he said he used 2.0 |
| 21:23:12 | adi|work | i know... |
| 21:23:16 | adi|work | but its just a double check |
| 21:23:28 | Stevie[FP] | Guest |
| 21:23:32 | Stevie[FP] | have you tried this? |
| 21:23:35 | Guest | i would try to reformat the HD or do something like that, but i can't even get into it because the computer isn't recognizing it |
| 21:23:39 | Stevie[FP] | Hold the 'OFF' button for seven seconds |
| 21:23:52 | Guest | ok |
| 21:23:59 | Stevie[FP] | then directly plug it into your computer, without turning it on |
| 21:24:00 | Guest | it shut off |
| 21:24:13 | Guest | ok |
| 21:24:15 | Stevie[FP] | (without turning on the Recorder) |
| 21:24:28 | Guest | gotcha. done that |
| 21:24:37 | Guest | it hasn't turned on |
| 21:26:03 | Bagder | then turn it on, when already plugged in |
| 21:26:14 | Bagder | then it won't even try to load rockbox |
| 21:26:30 | Stevie[FP] | wait |
| 21:26:34 | Stevie[FP] | that doesn't sound right |
| 21:26:44 | Stevie[FP] | unless the Recorder behaves diff from the FM in that respect |
| 21:26:56 | Stevie[FP] | the FM always turns on when you plug in the USB thing |
| 21:27:09 | Bagder | oh |
| 21:27:11 | Guest | hmmm... turn it on when already plugged in to the computer? |
| 21:27:31 | TBoy | thats because the fm charges over usb |
| 21:27:38 | Bagder | the recorder doesn't start at the usb plugged in |
| 21:27:49 | Bagder | Guest: yes |
| 21:29:57 | Guest | i just did that and got the hourglass |
| 21:30:26 | Guest | but nothing happened so i cntrl. alt. delete |
| 21:30:40 | Guest | and closed the msgsrv32 program that wasn't responding |
| 21:31:02 | Guest | right now the archos is still on and hanging at the startup screen |
| 21:31:03 | Bagder | gotta go |
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| 21:31:10 | Guest | thanks for your help |
| 21:32:54 | Guest1 | any more ideas stevie? |
| 21:33:52 | Stevie[FP] | what OS do you have? |
| 21:33:56 | Stevie[FP] | and why are there so many Guests? |
| 21:34:56 | Guest | oops, sorry that's me twice |
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| 21:35:03 | Stevie[FP] | ah |
| 21:35:09 | Guest | it's OS 1.28 |
| 21:35:16 | Stevie[FP] | no |
| 21:35:18 | Stevie[FP] | your Windows |
| 21:35:25 | Guest | 98se |
| 21:35:44 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
| 21:35:56 | Stevie[FP] | POS. |
| 21:36:20 | Guest | POS? |
| 21:36:31 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, piece of s... Win98 sucks. |
| 21:36:43 | Stevie[FP] | what happened when you turned the Recorder on when it was already plugged into the USB? |
| 21:36:44 | Guest | ah, yes. it's true. |
| 21:37:06 | Guest | i got an hourglass on the comp. screen |
| 21:37:13 | Stevie[FP] | anything else? |
| 21:37:17 | Guest | and eventually had to cntrl. alt. del. |
| 21:37:30 | Stevie[FP] | heh. |
| 21:37:34 | Guest | out of the msgrv32 program which wasn't responding |
| 21:37:37 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
| 21:38:03 | Guest | any hope? |
| 21:38:34 | * | Stevie[FP] thinks |
| 21:38:46 | Stevie[FP] | one of the problems is that I have an FM, which behaves a little bit differently |
| 21:39:24 | Guest | hmm . . . |
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| 21:39:37 | Guest | maybe i'm screwed |
| 21:39:47 | Stevie[FP] | so |
| 21:39:53 | Stevie[FP] | the last thing it displays is |
| 21:40:08 | Stevie[FP] | ARCHOS Jukebox |
| 21:40:09 | Stevie[FP] | Recorder |
| 21:40:13 | Stevie[FP] | [xxxxxxxxxxx] <- full bar |
| 21:40:16 | Stevie[FP] | OS VFersion: 1.28 |
| 21:40:20 | Guest | yeah |
| 21:40:22 | Guest | exactly |
| 21:40:28 | Guest | only three of the bars fill up |
| 21:40:29 | Stevie[FP] | eenteresting. |
| 21:40:37 | Stevie[FP] | 'bars'? |
| 21:40:47 | Guest | the boxes that make up the bar |
| 21:40:49 | Guest | i mean |
| 21:40:50 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 21:40:52 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 21:40:56 | Stevie[FP] | the FM has a solid bar |
| 21:41:13 | Stevie[FP] | how many boxes make up the bar in total? |
| 21:41:14 | Guest | ah |
| 21:41:31 | Guest | about 17 |
| 21:41:36 | Stevie[FP] | wait |
| 21:41:40 | Stevie[FP] | so it doesn't get very far at all? |
| 21:41:44 | Guest | right |
| 21:41:48 | Stevie[FP] | hmmm |
| 21:42:09 | Stevie[FP] | I think bagder was right, it sounds like a hardware issue |
| 21:42:11 | Stevie[FP] | but first |
| 21:42:21 | Stevie[FP] | have you, at any point, completely removed the batteries? |
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| 21:42:35 | Guest | yes, but only after this started happening |
| 21:42:40 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 21:42:51 | Stevie[FP] | I had a PDA |
| 21:42:57 | Stevie[FP] | that the display screwed up |
| 21:43:16 | Stevie[FP] | but after I removed all the batteries and put them back in, it went back to normal |
| 21:43:24 | Stevie[FP] | so evidently that's not your problem |
| 21:43:42 | Stevie[FP] | if it was, then removing and then putting back the batteries would fix it |
| 21:43:55 | Stevie[FP] | You should contact Archos cust svc again |
| 21:44:03 | Stevie[FP] | tell them you tried what they suggested, and that it didn't work |
| 21:44:09 | Guest | the last time i spoke to archos they said they thought it was a hardware problem |
| 21:44:18 | Guest | and to return it to the store since i have a warranty |
| 21:44:27 | Guest | anyone ever returned a machine to archos? |
| 21:44:37 | Guest | because i just got it a little over a month ago |
| 21:44:49 | Guest | i didn't really want to use the warranty already |
| 21:46:38 | Guest | ah well . . . |
| 21:46:41 | Guest | thanks for your help |
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| 21:52:22 | TBoy | wait |
| 21:52:31 | TBoy | you use up the warranty |
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| 21:53:04 | TBoy | you mean after you have returned your jukebox once you can't do it again |
| 21:53:50 | TBoy | I mean I have had 5-6 different mp3 players various brands and have always been able to exchange them back to cash |
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| 22:09:25 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
| 22:09:51 | Stevie[FP] | is there any particular reason why connecting the USB kicks us out of F2/F3? |
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| 22:14:38 | adi|work | yes because you are now in usb mode |
| 22:14:39 | depressed_soul | how do you use rolo to switch to Archos firmware from Rockbox (without a computer)? |
| 22:14:40 | adi|work | not player mode |
| 22:14:47 | adi|work | depressed_soul: read the FAQ |
| 22:14:48 | Stevie[FP] | so? |
| 22:15:01 | Stevie[FP] | that doesn't explain why we get kicked out of f2/f3 |
| 22:15:07 | adi|work | Stevie[FP]: we have no player control when on usb.. thats the general idea... |
| 22:15:18 | Stevie[FP] | grr |
| 22:15:20 | Stevie[FP] | when you connect USB |
| 22:15:25 | Stevie[FP] | the key function returns SYS_CONNECTED_USB |
| 22:15:32 | adi|work | yes and? |
| 22:15:33 | depressed_soul | hich part? i couldnt find it? |
| 22:15:42 | Stevie[FP] | when it sees that, f2_screen() and f3_screen() both call usb_screen() |
| 22:15:59 | Stevie[FP] | usb_screen() displays the USB screen until the USB connector is removed |
| 22:16:04 | Stevie[FP] | then it returns |
| 22:16:07 | adi|work | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#32 |
| 22:16:10 | Stevie[FP] | when control is returned to those two functions |
| 22:16:21 | Stevie[FP] | they both return 'true' immediately |
| 22:16:21 | adi|work | nods |
| 22:16:28 | adi|work | ahhh okay.. i see what your saying |
| 22:16:34 | adi|work | you'd rather return to your prior state? |
| 22:16:58 | depressed_soul | Rolo is our bootloader. Rolo became available with our 1.4 release. To make use of Rolo, you must have a file with the same extension as your Rockbox firmware (.ajz on Recorder, .mod on Player) but a different name. You can then browse to it, and you 'run' the other firmware you wish to switch to by pressing play. Remember to set the Show Files option to "Supported" or "All" to be able to see the firmware files in the browser. |
| 22:17:07 | depressed_soul | i know, but where is the archos firmware file? |
| 22:17:20 | adi|work | depressed.. where ever you put it |
| 22:17:32 | adi|work | we can't tell you that.. your the one that put it on your player |
| 22:17:36 | depressed_soul | i never put it anywhere...? |
| 22:17:45 | Stevie[FP] | in which case |
| 22:17:47 | Stevie[FP] | you don't have one on there |
| 22:17:49 | depressed_soul | (i have the recorder) |
| 22:17:51 | Stevie[FP] | and you're booting the one in ROM |
| 22:17:56 | adi|work | depressed_soul: or do you mean "i can't see the factory firmware to rolo to" |
| 22:18:06 | depressed_soul | yes |
| 22:18:07 | Stevie[FP] | you need to go to the archos website and download it from there |
| 22:18:36 | depressed_soul | so what do i do, just download it, then load it? |
| 22:18:51 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
| 22:18:52 | adi|work | okay.. depressed_soul here.. |
| 22:18:53 | Stevie[FP] | download it |
| 22:18:58 | Stevie[FP] | put it on with a diff filename |
| 22:19:07 | depressed_soul | and to switch back just turn it off and on and itll bne rockbox again? |
| 22:19:13 | adi|work | when you install rockbox.. you over right the original firmware.. so either back it up to another name or redownload it. |
| 22:19:16 | adi|work | nods |
| 22:19:17 | adi|work | exactly |
| 22:19:29 | depressed_soul | oooooooooooh, ok! :) Now i get it! thanks so much guys!! |
| 22:19:43 | adi|work | np |
| 22:19:54 | depressed_soul | hehe, rockbox....err....rocks! lol |
| 22:19:58 | Stevie[FP] | adi|work: yes, because I see what appears to be some sort of a bug |
| 22:20:03 | Stevie[FP] | if you press F2/F3 |
| 22:20:05 | adi|work | fair enough |
| 22:20:06 | Stevie[FP] | change a setting or two |
| 22:20:10 | | Quit depressed_soul ("Leaving") |
| 22:20:10 | Stevie[FP] | then connect the USB |
| 22:20:15 | Stevie[FP] | then disconnect the USB |
| 22:20:20 | Stevie[FP] | those settings will be altered in memory |
| 22:20:36 | adi|work | right.. |
| 22:20:39 | Stevie[FP] | but the code that normally runs when you exit isn't run |
| 22:20:47 | adi|work | nods |
| 22:20:52 | Stevie[FP] | settings_save() |
| 22:20:56 | Stevie[FP] | lcd_setmargins() |
| 22:21:00 | Stevie[FP] | lcd_setfont() |
| 22:21:04 | adi|work | right |
| 22:21:14 | Stevie[FP] | and mpeg_flush_and_reload_tracks() |
| 22:21:17 | adi|work | hmmm should be easy enough to fix.. one sec.. |
| 22:21:52 | Stevie[FP] | an exit=true; and a break should do that |
| 22:22:03 | Stevie[FP] | reason is, I'm trying to rewrite the way the f-screens work |
| 22:22:49 | adi|work | ahh.. k |
| 22:22:59 | adi|work | hmmm dunno if we want/should change the state of exit |
| 22:23:03 | adi|work | maybe just a break is better |
| 22:23:22 | Stevie[FP] | well |
| 22:23:28 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:23:41 | Stevie[FP] | I don't know if that would influence other things |
| 22:23:46 | adi|work | only because none of the other key presses change exit |
| 22:24:09 | Stevie[FP] | other than F2 again, ya |
| 22:24:12 | adi|work | oh.. wait.. nods |
| 22:24:13 | adi|work | yea |
| 22:24:31 | adi|work | well.. i can commit the change if you want... |
| 22:24:32 | * | Stevie[FP] ponders interesting things |
| 22:24:36 | adi|work | i agree with you. |
| 22:24:40 | Stevie[FP] | Don't need it atm |
| 22:24:50 | Stevie[FP] | but |
| 22:24:58 | Stevie[FP] | another thing I find interesting |
| 22:25:06 | Stevie[FP] | the F2 mode controls shuffle and the other thing |
| 22:25:15 | Stevie[FP] | Repeat |
| 22:25:24 | Stevie[FP] | Shuffle calls this code when it's changed: |
| 22:25:25 | Stevie[FP] | mpeg_flush_and_reload_tracks |
| 22:25:26 | Stevie[FP] | err |
| 22:25:31 | Stevie[FP] | if (global_settings.playlist_shuffle) |
| 22:25:31 | Stevie[FP] | randomise_playlist(current_tick); |
| 22:25:31 | Stevie[FP] | else |
| 22:25:31 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Stevie[FP] |
| 22:25:31 | Stevie[FP] | sort_playlist(true); |
| 22:25:57 | adi|work | right |
| 22:26:04 | Stevie[FP] | but Repeat mode calls mpeg_flush_and_reload_tracks only when it's been changed upon leaving the function |
| 22:26:20 | Stevie[FP] | (which, incidentally, that call is of course skipped if you connect the USB first) |
| 22:26:34 | adi|work | nods |
| 22:26:38 | Stevie[FP] | is there any pressing reason why these things are done differently? |
| 22:26:51 | adi|work | i don't think so.. |
| 22:26:55 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:26:59 | adi|work | only that things have been hacked and slashed in there |
| 22:27:14 | Stevie[FP] | the only thing I could think of is that it would be a semikludgy way to force a reshuffle |
| 22:27:24 | Stevie[FP] | but unless somebody's using it for that direct purpose |
| 22:28:06 | adi|work | let me double check |
| 22:28:17 | adi|work | mpeg_flush... i scalled inside of randomise_playlist right? |
| 22:28:57 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:28:57 | * | Stevie[FP] blinks |
| 22:29:08 | adi|work | grrr.. i have to take off... ill be back in a bit |
| 22:29:12 | Stevie[FP] | that should have a 'z' but anyway :P |
| 22:29:12 | Stevie[FP] | yes |
| 22:29:31 | Stevie[FP] | mpeg_flush_and_reload_tracks is called by randomise_playlist |
| 22:29:31 | adi|work | well.. reason for that is that the randomize is called else where... |
| 22:29:51 | adi|work | but the repeat isn't |
| 22:29:54 | adi|work | okay.. off |
| 22:30:03 | Stevie[FP] | ok, cy |
| 22:30:03 | Stevie[FP] | a |
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| 22:43:01 | | Quit Nibbler (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 22:54:17 | | Quit ratsflif () |
| 22:55:31 | Stevie[FP] | man |
| 22:55:38 | Stevie[FP] | this code needs to start using 'const' |
| 22:59:37 | | Quit edx () |
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| 23:00:18 | | Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 23:00:37 | Zagor | howdy guys |
| 23:00:48 | Stevie[FP] | hey Zagor |
| 23:00:49 | Stevie[FP] | what's up? |
| 23:01:20 | Zagor | I think there's a real possibility Mike has found the source of the red led dead. |
| 23:01:42 | Stevie[FP] | the 'spin down with outstanding read request' ? |
| 23:02:30 | Zagor | no, just that some disks doesn't seem to ever want to wake up from SLEEP |
| 23:02:37 | Zagor | the keep reporting BUSY forever |
| 23:02:40 | Zagor | they |
| 23:03:02 | Zagor | are you getting the problem? |
| 23:03:38 | Stevie[FP] | no |
| 23:04:13 | Stevie[FP] | is it possible that this BUSY state is a result of spinning down with a read request still outstanding? |
| 23:04:40 | Stevie[FP] | I suppose one way of testing the theory is issuing a read request, then immediately spinning down the drive |
| 23:05:13 | Zagor | it doesn't seem to happen on all models/units. I can never repeat the problem, while some people get it all the time |
| 23:05:25 | Stevie[FP] | intriguing |
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| 23:05:55 | Zagor | I'm not convinced there really is an outstanding request issue. I can't see when that would happen. |
| 23:06:08 | Zagor | i could be wrong, of course |
| 23:07:06 | * | Stevie[FP] tests some kode |
| 23:10:11 | Stevie[FP] | gah |
| 23:10:12 | Stevie[FP] | stupid mapfile |
| 23:10:19 | Stevie[FP] | How can I find the size of each function? |
| 23:11:20 | Zagor | hmm, you don't. |
| 23:11:29 | Stevie[FP] | that's really lame |
| 23:11:30 | Zagor | maybe there's an option to make a more verbose map file |
| 23:11:35 | Stevie[FP] | then how can you tell if what you've changed |
| 23:11:43 | Stevie[FP] | is more or less efficient spacewise? |
| 23:12:02 | Stevie[FP] | I would think we'd be concerned with that |
| 23:12:12 | Stevie[FP] | esp with us rapidly approaching the 200k limit |
| 23:12:15 | Zagor | i agree. however if you only change one thing then you can see the size of the .o change |
| 23:12:21 | Zagor | i mean the .text segment for the .o |
| 23:12:31 | Stevie[FP] | true |
| 23:18:16 | Stevie[FP] | interesting |
| 23:18:25 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
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| 23:22:44 | Stevie[FP] | a few questions |
| 23:22:56 | Stevie[FP] | is sizeof(bool) == sizeof(int)? |
| 23:24:24 | Zagor | that's compiler dependent |
| 23:24:32 | Stevie[FP] | ... |
| 23:24:35 | Zagor | but I think that's pretty common |
| 23:24:37 | Stevie[FP] | we're all using the same compiler |
| 23:24:45 | Stevie[FP] | here's the problem |
| 23:24:56 | Stevie[FP] | I want to pass an pointer to a function |
| 23:25:08 | Stevie[FP] | but sometimes we have settings that are 'bool's |
| 23:25:14 | Stevie[FP] | and sometimes we have settings that are 'int's |
| 23:25:29 | Zagor | right |
| 23:26:04 | Stevie[FP] | and it would be REALLY nice if I could treat those 'bools' as 'ints' that are 0 or 1 |
| 23:29:00 | * | Stevie[FP] ponders |
| 23:29:30 | Zagor | I have no answer right now, i'm afraid. it feels a bit icky to assume they are the same size. |
| 23:29:38 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
| 23:29:41 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, I know =/ |
| 23:29:44 | Stevie[FP] | the problem is |
| 23:30:02 | Stevie[FP] | having to treat bools as 'special' is EXTREMELY costly codewise |
| 23:34:00 | Stevie[FP] | bleh |
| 23:34:06 | Stevie[FP] | we need to learn how to use 'const' |
| 23:35:26 | Stevie[FP] | and follow our own rules... |
| 23:35:49 | Stevie[FP] | #define str(x) language_strings[x] |
| 23:36:26 | Stevie[FP] | Preprocessor symbols should be all uppercase. |
| 23:37:24 | Zagor | heh, I haven't thought of that... :-) |
| 23:38:27 | Stevie[FP] | I have |
| 23:38:35 | Stevie[FP] | because it always makes me nervous when |
| 23:38:38 | Zagor | obviously :) |
| 23:38:41 | Stevie[FP] | void lcd_putsxy(int x, int y, unsigned char *str) |
| 23:38:57 | Stevie[FP] | a param/variable name is the same as a preprocessor macro |
| 23:39:02 | Stevie[FP] | ;) |
| 23:39:09 | Zagor | heh, yeah |
| 23:44:27 | Zagor | i'm off to bed |
| 23:44:31 | | Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") |
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