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#rockbox log for 2003-05-01

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00:21:06raindogmy rockbox is sick...
00:21:30raindogIt bsod's windows every time I try to connect it
00:22:00raindogI've tried uninstalling and reinstalling my usb modules in device manager
00:22:28raindogand uninstalling / reinstalling the usb "mass storage" controller that archos provides
00:22:40raindogIn every different sequence I can think of
00:22:45raindogit still doesn't work...
00:23:12raindogWhen I turn it on, it generally will let me look through my directories once
00:23:33raindoguntil it locks
00:23:56raindogthen it will only stay on long enough to display "HD error"
00:24:31raindogAlso, when I turn it on, the battery indicator says it's empty, even though it should be completely full
00:24:47raindogIf anyone knows of anything I should try, please let me know
00:28:01raindogOh yeah, I'm running firmware version 1.4 on windows xp
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00:31:46midknight2k3man i dont believe it
00:32:40raindogwhat don't you believe?
00:39:39midknight2k3nothing really
00:40:13raindogcan you help me with a problem?
00:40:36raindogI can't figure this out.
00:40:49midknight2k3im not a rockbox guy but
00:40:55midknight2k3i'm not bad at it ;)
00:41:00midknight2k3whats the porblem?
00:44:15midknight2k3are you there?
00:45:00raindogyep here
00:45:04*Stevie[FP] is away [(Auto-Away after 1hr)] [KS-MsgLog Off]
00:45:19raindogok, so my rockbox was working fine...
00:45:32raindoguntil I reinstalled windows xp about 2 weeks ago
00:45:41midknight2k3uh huh...
00:45:50raindogit reassigned it to a different drive letter (which may be unrelated, I don't know)
00:46:16raindogand now it stays on for maybe 30 seconds at a time
00:46:27raindogbefore saying it has an HD error and shutting off
00:46:44midknight2k3is it a player or recorder?
00:46:50raindogWhen I hook it up to my computer, it doesn't even recognize it as a drive
00:47:06midknight2k3is tha the end?
00:47:16raindogbut it won't even let me get that far unless I plug it into usb BEFORE starting windows
00:47:28raindogif I'm already in windows it bsods
00:47:32midknight2k3do you have the archos at hand?
00:47:48raindogit's a player
00:48:13midknight2k3well one thing to do is see if it has to do at all with rockbox
00:48:32raindoghow do I do that?
00:48:37midknight2k3plug in the USB and afterward power on the archos and it will go to the archos usb mode, not rockboxes
00:48:51midknight2k3dont turn on before plugging it in
00:48:55midknight2k3only after
00:48:58raindogso connect the powersupply and the player?
00:49:20raindogif my comp crashes, you'll have to forgive me, I'll be right back
00:49:25midknight2k3ok wait though
00:49:29raindogwhat is afterward power?
00:49:46midknight2k3steps: plug in usb first, then turn on player (plug in or use battereis, whatever)
00:49:57raindogthat will cause a bsod
00:50:13midknight2k3are you sure?
00:50:34raindogthat and having the player on already before plugging up usb will cause a bsod
00:50:53raindogbut I have to hurry with that because it won't stay on for but a few seconds before saying hd error
00:50:55midknight2k3tried it?
00:51:04raindogyes, many many times
00:51:17midknight2k3because it works differently if you do usb first than if you do it after powered up
00:51:37raindogI also tried uninstalling / reinstalling all my usb devices and the mass storage driver from archos in different combinations
00:51:41midknight2k3what does the bsod say?
00:51:43raindogI know, trust me I've done both
00:51:56midknight2k3just a fatal exception or whatever?
00:52:03raindogjust the general "windows is stopping so it doesn't mess up your computer"
00:52:17midknight2k3this is a bit odd
00:52:23midknight2k3does the hard drive spin up like normal?
00:52:31raindognot really
00:52:37raindogit does the first time
00:52:39midknight2k3not at all or what?
00:52:43midknight2k3then stops?
00:52:49raindogbut then I don't hear it and it just says HD error
00:53:03midknight2k3So when you bott it up it starts and then stops and says 'hd error'?
00:53:35raindogBUT if I have the rockbox already in when I start xp, I can hear it searching for stuff on the drive... making a clicking sound, but the drive shows up as not detected when I get to windows
00:54:06midknight2k3clicking? what about spinning?
00:54:12midknight2k3if it's not spinning...
00:54:22raindogit sounds like it's spinning too
00:54:31raindogit sounds like a drive searching for something
00:54:51raindogbut it probably does this for 15 seconds and windows takes a lot longer to boot
00:55:13midknight2k3did you try plugging it straight into the computer?
00:55:43raindogI'm not sure what you mean
00:55:59midknight2k3instead of into a usb hub
00:56:08midknight2k3or by usb hub do you mean into the computer?
00:56:16raindogit is going into a usb pci card in the computer
00:56:50midknight2k3well that's a bit odd
00:57:16midknight2k3does the archos make a clicking noise when it sounds likeits searching for something?
00:57:17raindogI was using a usb modem before
00:57:30raindogI thought it might be causing the problem
00:57:35raindogbut it wasn't
00:57:59raindogIt was while it still barely worked
00:57:59midknight2k3Does it sound like: click, pauseclick, pauseclick and so on?
00:58:18midknight2k3the hard drive could very well be dead
00:58:41midknight2k3you say when you boot it up it works for about a half a minute?
00:58:44raindogawww mothersonofadog
00:58:59midknight2k3but hang on
00:59:21midknight2k3does it work for a little when you turn it on?
00:59:25raindogyeah it works for maybe half a minute ... then again I hear a bit of a click... just once this time... scrolling slows down... then it freezes and shuts off
00:59:35raindogIt does the first time I try it for a while
00:59:52midknight2k3does it show your files?
00:59:53raindoglike if I leave it for a day and start it up again it works for 30 secs
01:00:36midknight2k3yes that sounds like it might be the problem
01:00:55raindogwhat might be the problem???
01:01:00midknight2k3if you had a way to record it such as a microphone plugged into the pc i might be able to give you a better idea
01:01:02raindogshowing me the files?
01:01:16midknight2k3no the hard drive might be on its way out
01:01:37raindognow it won't even spin up... just says hd error
01:01:52midknight2k3does it feel warm?
01:02:27raindogI hope to god this thing is still under warranty
01:02:30midknight2k3is ti a studio or a player
01:02:36raindogI've only had it for 3 mos
01:02:43raindogstudio 20
01:02:59raindogbut I was under the impression that studio = player
01:02:59midknight2k3yes it should be under warranty then
01:03:05midknight2k3so long as you havent tampered with it
01:03:14midknight2k3i think it's a litle bit differnt
01:03:19raindogI wonder if I have to send it to archos
01:03:31raindogor if I can just trade it out
01:03:32midknight2k3well where did you get it?
01:03:53raindoggf got it for me
01:04:02midknight2k3online then?
01:04:03raindoghope she kept the receipt
01:04:16midknight2k3or at best buy store?
01:04:17raindogyes, but they have brick and mortar locations too
01:04:49midknight2k3well i don't know if it's exchangeable in store
01:05:02midknight2k3i know that archos should accept it if its only 3 months old
01:05:27midknight2k3i wonder how it happened
01:05:31raindogwell she got it at the end of january
01:05:32midknight2k3did you drop it ever?
01:05:37raindogno, never
01:05:48midknight2k3close enough
01:06:09midknight2k3uh oh
01:06:12raindogI hope they don't disapprove the warranty because of the rockbox firmware
01:06:17midknight2k3what day, like about the 25th?
01:06:40raindogsounds about right
01:06:55raindogit's probably just out of warranty range
01:07:00raindogknowing my luck
01:07:05midknight2k3dont give up hope yet :)
01:07:59midknight2k3oh my god you need to find out when she got it
01:08:10raindogis it 90 days?
01:08:12midknight2k3you must be like 4 days out of range ha
01:08:18midknight2k3that is not fair
01:08:22midknight2k3archos should accept it
01:08:24raindogI will kill archos if that is the case
01:08:27raindogKILL them
01:08:33midknight2k3it shouldnt be they're not bad people
01:08:56midknight2k3theyll probably just say what the hell and fix it or replace it for you
01:09:30raindogthey won't turn it away since I have rockbox on there, right?
01:09:57midknight2k3well let me thing about that one
01:10:18midknight2k3if you can, turn it on and go for the archos.mod file's delete button
01:10:44raindogno way I could be that quick
01:11:29midknight2k3yeah if it's dying it might be too late
01:11:33midknight2k3but the good thing is
01:11:53midknight2k3they might not be able to fix it and throw it away
01:12:04midknight2k3and just replace it without ever knowing about rockbox
01:12:16midknight2k3make sure you bash in the hard drive before you send it in ;)
01:12:23raindogI wonder if they've seen any of their players with the firmware
01:12:29midknight2k3oh yes
01:12:29raindogI'm not sure that would be a good idea
01:12:50midknight2k3they even asked rockbox to use their firmware on the players and recorders for the shipping version :)
01:12:56midknight2k3why not a good idea?
01:13:28raindogbashing in the HD?
01:13:34raindogit would look like I tampered with it
01:13:40midknight2k3not bash it
01:13:53midknight2k3just, you know, sort of TAP on it you know what i mean
01:13:56raindogdrop it hard on some concrete?
01:14:03midknight2k3or drop it from two feet
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01:14:22midknight2k3well there are three options here:
01:14:32midknight2k31) leave the archos as it is and forget it
01:14:37midknight2k32) send it to archos
01:14:42midknight2k33) replace the hard drive
01:14:51midknight2k3i'd say pick #2
01:14:57raindogscrew replacing the hard drive
01:14:58midknight2k3but email them first
01:15:09raindogit would cost me money
01:15:14raindogthey should be paying for this
01:15:17midknight2k3yeah i suppose
01:15:25midknight2k3just hurry up and ship it to them
01:15:47midknight2k3send also a letter inside saying that you're sorry but it happend just one or 2 days out of the warranty range
01:15:47raindogI will email it today
01:15:52raindogor email them
01:16:04raindogthis actually happened about 2 weeks ago
01:16:11midknight2k3well they ought to cover it then
01:16:26midknight2k3it started to mess up but simply stopped a few days ago
01:16:34raindogstill I would like to know for sure that this is the problem for sure first
01:16:48midknight2k3do you have a computer microphone?
01:16:51midknight2k3oh crap
01:16:58midknight2k3i forgot it doesnt boot heh
01:17:07midknight2k3never mind
01:17:15midknight2k3hang on a sec then
01:17:19midknight2k3i have an ide
01:18:21midknight2k3no hang on
01:20:02midknight2k3one more sec..
01:22:03midknight2k3ok got it
01:22:24midknight2k3download these sounds and tell me if any of them sound (ed) like your archos's little slip-up
01:23:15raindogdoing that now
01:23:29midknight2k3should be the pauseclick one
01:23:37midknight2k3but you tell me if any of them sound similar
01:24:52midknight2k3are you on 56k?
01:27:26raindogclosest to cycleclick if anything
01:27:29raindogbut not exactly
01:27:45midknight2k3my computer one went out like that
01:28:04midknight2k3it spun up then clicked, the spun up again and stuff
01:28:25raindogso I guess it is probably just a drive gone bad
01:28:43midknight2k3id send archos an email right away
01:28:46raindogpretty weird that it quit working right with the clean install though
01:28:59midknight2k3i wonde
01:29:02midknight2k3i wonder
01:29:15raindogso do I
01:30:15raindogguess I should register this thing huh?
01:30:24midknight2k3yes right away
01:30:29midknight2k3send them an email
01:38:21raindogwell my girlfriend isn't totally sure what day she bought it
01:38:27raindogso I've gotta wait for her to get back
01:38:37midknight2k3all right look for that receept
01:38:38raindogthe drive isn't spinning at all now before it goes to HD error
01:38:47raindogyeah she said she has it somewhere
01:38:49midknight2k3must be dead
01:39:00raindogwhat else could it be really
01:39:53raindogcould it be something other than the drive going bad?
01:40:13midknight2k3not much i could think of actually, if it was clicking over and over and gave a 'hd error' id assume the hard drive is out of here
01:40:25midknight2k3it's probably in hard drive heaven now :\
01:40:49*raindog sheds a few tears.
01:41:08raindogit was always louder than I thought it should be
01:41:11raindogis that normal?
01:41:13*midknight2k3 says let's torch it till it melts
01:41:25midknight2k3no it's not normal
01:41:30midknight2k3it's odd actually
01:41:36midknight2k3if nothing happened to it
01:41:44midknight2k3but then that's just how things often work out
01:42:08raindogit was always a bit clicky when searching for stuff
01:42:23midknight2k3oh well when searching it might be a bit loud yes
01:42:42midknight2k3but it's not normal to do that sort of stuff
01:42:49raindogI thought so
01:42:54raindognothing prompted this
01:43:07raindogbut you know what I thought was odd?
01:43:20raindogwhen I do get it to go on, the battery indicator says 0%
01:43:46midknight2k3did it always show up right away as a low battery?
01:43:48raindogeven if it's been charging a long time... EVEN if it's plugged into dc
01:44:00midknight2k3doesn't it take like 30 seconds to display the power level?
01:44:09raindogYes, the first time this happened was right after I played some stuff on my computer from my fresh install
01:44:22raindogthe day after it showed up as the batteries being completely empty
01:44:35raindogand it played like 1.5 minutes of music then quit working completely
01:45:09midknight2k3yes the rw heads have probably gotten misaligned
01:45:15midknight2k3i hope i worded that right
01:45:23raindogrw heads??
01:45:32raindogoh read / write
01:45:47midknight2k3the movey thingys that slidey when the drivey is spinney uppey
01:45:59raindoganything I can do to remedy that?
01:46:17midknight2k3well if archos refuses to touch it
01:46:30midknight2k3i'd say your best bet is to disassemble the drive
01:46:35raindogit still sounds like it's spinning... it just sounds like it's searching in vain for whatever its looking for
01:46:37midknight2k3just look inside be VERY CLEAN
01:46:47midknight2k3and see if anything wrong
01:46:53midknight2k3yes that's prabably it
01:47:15raindogbut how can I fix it if my computer won't even recognize it as a drive?
01:47:28raindogI'm not even sure I'd know if anything looked out of place
01:47:28midknight2k3it usually spins, but the heads are trying to move back onto the hard drive and get to the data but they've fallen off the track
01:47:50midknight2k3maybe (and be careful) watch what it does when you turn it on
01:48:01raindogoh I see
01:48:05midknight2k3see if the heads try to move but are stuck or something and work from there
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01:48:23midknight2k3it's dangerous though
01:48:37raindogare the heads part of the "spindle"?
01:48:46midknight2k3not really
01:48:55midknight2k3they move on a spereate motor and stick out onto the spindle
01:49:02midknight2k3and touch it to see the data
01:49:23midknight2k3but to check it out, get in a clean area and perhaps cover the drive with saran wrap immediately for more sfety
01:49:26midknight2k3dust can kill it
01:49:49raindoggeez I don't know if I'd feel safe doing this
01:49:55midknight2k3but then again if it's dead and archos refuses, whats there to lose?
01:51:40raindogunfortunately not much
01:51:44midknight2k3yeah it sucks
01:51:49raindogbut I'm not planning on mentioning the firmware to them
01:51:57midknight2k3but if you hurry archos might have a good hard
01:52:09midknight2k3yes, don't
01:52:25midknight2k3hah i dont want to know how that sentence could have ended
01:52:31midknight2k3'might have a good hard...'
01:52:43raindogask sigmund freud
01:52:54midknight2k3no thank you
01:53:06midknight2k3well i think it has nothing to do with rockbox
01:53:23raindogprobably not
01:53:36raindogit's just weird that it started acting up when it got assigned a different drive letter
01:53:46raindogeven though that might not have done anything
01:54:02raindogthat seemed to be what set it off
01:54:06midknight2k3yeah its hard to say but if it's dead which i am 95% sure it is,
01:54:20midknight2k3it could have nothing to do with a different drive letter
01:54:45raindogwell I know that
01:54:52raindogit didn't get any kind of shock or anything though
01:55:07raindogthat's just the last point at which it worked normally
01:55:10midknight2k3you proabably just got a bad unit
01:55:22raindogYeah I guess I did
01:55:28raindogmaybe it was a refurb
01:55:32midknight2k3heh as you state 'knowing my luck'
01:55:59midknight2k3i dont believe it! sonicblue hasn't sent me an email back
01:56:05raindogI guess all I can really do is email em
01:56:11raindogthey haven't?
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01:56:19midknight2k3those little SUCKERS
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01:56:36midknight2k3huh lol
01:56:45raindog1someone stole my name!!
01:56:53raindog1those bastards
01:56:58midknight2k3are you the one i just was talking to?
01:57:08midknight2k3who did lol
01:57:18raindog1I'm guessing I did
01:57:24raindog1or raindog did actually
01:57:26midknight2k3"* raindog has quit IRC (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement)))"
01:57:35midknight2k3ouch hahahahahahahaha
01:57:50midknight2k3like i was saying, sonicbluesucks as customerservice
01:58:01raindog1archos better I hope?
01:58:15midknight2k3oh yes
01:58:19raindog1how long have you been waiting on a response?
01:58:22midknight2k3they're pretty good about it
01:58:30midknight2k3well sonicblue is starting to make me really mad
01:58:39midknight2k3waiting... its not so much that
01:58:58midknight2k3it's that i keep sending them emails that take 20 minutes to type and get no response
01:59:03midknight2k3that is, an automated one
01:59:22raindog1that would tick me off too
01:59:44midknight2k3i asked them about the rioriot and they sent me back something saying "check these FAQs for more information" and it all had to do with diffrent models and everything
01:59:59midknight2k3i replied, "no that doesnt work, please try again" anbd i got ignored
02:00:14midknight2k3i wish i could return it now
02:00:57raindog1I bet
02:01:06raindog1why'd you go with a sonicblue and not archos?
02:01:11midknight2k3i wanted it so much at first but now it's like it
02:01:16midknight2k3i have an archos as well
02:01:28midknight2k3well not technically
02:01:47raindog1not technically?
02:02:01midknight2k3my mom has one
02:02:09midknight2k3who could not like the looks though of the rioriot
02:02:45midknight2k3and the display is huge
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02:03:04midknight2k3it's nibbler
02:03:06raindog1gotta admit that does look pretty smooth
02:03:16midknight2k3even more so in action
02:03:21midknight2k3but they wont even update it
02:03:29midknight2k3last firmware was like 4/20/02
02:03:35raindog1that sux
02:03:39midknight2k3all it added was more battery life
02:03:45midknight2k3i was like, oh wow
02:04:04midknight2k3i am not happy with it anymore
02:04:17raindog1I have to admit I like my studio a LOT more after throwing roxbox on it
02:04:21midknight2k3it sounds good and has a great screen but if they can't expand it with more features then whats the use?
02:04:28midknight2k3yes that it just it
02:04:37midknight2k3rockbox is the only reason i bear the archos
02:04:38raindog1although I do wish my gf would have sprung for the recorder
02:04:45raindog1but hey beggars can't be choosers
02:04:46midknight2k3it is nice the recorder
02:04:55midknight2k3yeah they both play mp3s
02:05:33midknight2k3okay well it boils down to two possible conclusions
02:05:39midknight2k3as follows:
02:05:44raindog1but I could theoretically play doom on the recorder now :)
02:05:49raindog1and tetris
02:06:12midknight2k31) sonciblue updates rioriot soon with divx movie support and 20 band graphic eq qith 50 hours battery life or 2) im pissed
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02:06:25raindog1wow divx movie support!
02:06:28midknight2k3i think it's more likely #2
02:06:31midknight2k3not really
02:06:34midknight2k3it's a joke
02:06:34raindog1probably so
02:06:39raindog1yeah I got it now
02:06:49midknight2k3i meant either 1) they do the impossible or 2) im going to be mad
02:07:06midknight2k3i really want, the archos multimedia jukebox
02:07:45midknight2k3it would be nice if rockbox would work on the rioriot
02:08:05midknight2k3that screen just screams, 'take advantage of me!'
02:08:39midknight2k3they could have a nice WPS - instead it's less informative than archos' with about a 3/4 inch song title and a half inch album name/artist name
02:09:02midknight2k3a huge volume level that doesn't even really help
02:09:16midknight2k3and a big current time and remaining time display
02:09:30midknight2k3that makes a big fat 'wasted screen space' title for it
02:10:49raindog1does anyone ever speak in here?
02:11:03midknight2k3I SAID LIKE 50 SENTENCES
02:11:09raindog1I know
02:11:11midknight2k3DID YOU READ THEM?
02:11:17raindog1but there are like 20 people in here
02:11:28midknight2k3you know how boring it is when youre not hre and no one else is
02:11:32midknight2k3i know
02:11:43midknight2k3i haven't seen 95% of them say a WORD.
02:11:48raindog1just seems odd that all these people would be logged in
02:12:00midknight2k3well they always stay here
02:12:02midknight2k3day and night
02:13:02raindog1I've seen people hop on here and not say anything though
02:13:08midknight2k3oh wow im going to pay to read your ipod hacking article!
02:13:19midknight2k3that's just stupid
02:13:46raindog1that's the catch
02:14:00midknight2k3waste of bandwidth
02:14:56FranzKcome on boyz... thats redicolous...
02:15:09midknight2k3do you buy franz bread?
02:15:14midknight2k3just kiddling lol
02:15:21FranzKto talk about noone talkes...
02:15:26FranzKwhats franz bread?
02:15:39midknight2k3you know...
02:15:55midknight2k3it's like a brand of bread
02:16:10midknight2k3well if its boring in here why dont you contribute to the conversation
02:17:00FranzKi did not say it's boring... by the way whats the time at your place?
02:17:58FranzKyou know that's the reason why you don't find people talking in here...
02:18:11midknight2k3whats it over ther
02:19:09FranzKits 10:19 am here... i'm in sydney... so it's 1:19am in europe...
02:19:25midknight2k3that smells bad
02:20:08FranzKswitch off the - play smells tick-box...
02:20:51midknight2k3ha thaat makes no sense
02:21:25FranzKdidn't want to make sense...
02:21:53midknight2k3switch off the - play smells tick-box
02:22:01midknight2k3i have to write that down
02:22:07midknight2k3and shout it in public
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02:22:39FranzKso what ever you want with it... there is no copyright on it... :-))
02:22:49FranzKi have to go as well...
02:22:53FranzKsee ya...
02:22:56midknight2k3you're funny
02:23:00midknight2k3aww man
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13:12:22TBoydoes any1 use trillian
13:13:10TBoyI don't know how to make it get the rssfedd
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13:17:57TBoytrack my man
13:18:08tracktheripperhi :-)
13:18:15TBoydo you use the rssfeed feature to get the rb digest
13:18:22tracktheripperat least thats a few other house-jobs done
13:19:40tracktheripperI feel Rockbox has every feasible feature implemented now :-)
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13:43:14yuoyoyohello, i have a question?
13:43:20webmindask away
13:43:42yuoyoyoi was wondering, if it is possible to switch back to the Archos software without deleting rockbox, just so i can record using their software?
13:43:54yuoyoyo(then use rockbox again after recording)
13:44:33yuoyoyo(i have the Jukebox RecordeR)
13:44:45webmindi guess u'd have to rename it..
13:45:00webmindso u do have to have xs to a pc like device to switch between m
13:45:16yuoyoyohuh? can u be a little more specific?
13:47:49webmindthen in order to switch between archos firmware and rockbox u need to be connected to a computer
13:47:56webmindsomething with usb
13:48:19yuoyoyotheres no way to switch without a computer?
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13:48:51yuoyoyowhat if i rename the rockbox file using rockbox software, then reboot??
13:48:57webmindi dont think so
13:49:03webmindif u can. i guess so
13:49:45yuoyoyocan this option be implemented into the rockbox in the future? Like an option "reboot using Archos software"?
13:50:37webmindu could request it on the site
13:50:46yuoyoyooh, ok. thanks!!
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13:52:41MTyou just load the archos firmware using rolo
13:52:47webmindrolo ?
13:53:02webmindwhat's that ?
13:53:13MTyou put the archos firmware file somewhere on the hard drive
13:53:20MTbrowse to it in rockbox
13:53:23MTand play it
13:53:25MTand it boots
13:53:49webmindah ok
13:53:51MTrolo is the rockbox loader
13:53:55webmindok :)
13:55:31MTFAQ #32
13:56:08webmindwell he'll see the site soon enough i guess
13:56:22MT*cough* also, FAQ #46 might need changing ;)
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14:00:56webmindbattery-faq#9 should be updated aswell
14:02:20webmindalkaline batts maybe not recommended.. but they work fine
14:28:32*webmind pokes someone who manages the faq
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14:34:13Hesalkaline batteries didn't work for someone... didn't provide enough current for the disk, the box died every now and then when the disk started spinning.
14:34:40Hesif i recall correctly... it might depend on the type&make of the batteries.
14:35:19webminderr ?
14:35:42webmindNOT enough power? the alkaline provide more power than the nimh batteries
14:35:51webmindHes, but i heard no one tried yet ?
14:36:07webmindthe expected probs where more overheating and over powering the hardware
14:36:23webmindand uhm.. i've run over 8 hours without ANY probs on alkalines..
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15:51:16lodesihello everybody
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16:19:57lodesiIs there any coder here?
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16:20:10Bagderonly a bit
16:21:11lodesiDo you know how to add a new entry as a langage string (LANG_ ...)?
16:21:56lodesi(sorry for my bad english...)
16:22:21Bagderadd it in english.lang, last in the file
16:23:26lodesiI did it with french.lang (because i'm french...) and i had errors on compilation :(
16:23:45Bagderyes, you must add them to the english one
16:23:53Bagderthe english one is the master file
16:23:55lodesiok, thanks!
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16:42:08Stevie[FP]mornin y'all
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18:46:47TBoycan some1 help me out
18:48:05TBoyI can't get my trillian to get the RSS
18:48:11TBoyfrom the diges
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19:15:11TBoyit just doesn't do anything
19:18:03Stevie[FP]write yer own rss parser
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19:22:54TBoyyea I could but I just wanted to use the in trillian
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20:29:32tracktheripperhi Bagder
20:30:12tracktheripperdon't worry ive promised to spell ur name right from now on
20:30:31BagderI was *so* worried there for a moment ;-P
20:30:37tracktheripperbut you still should have called urself "Badger"
20:32:21*adi|work slaps tracktheripper
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20:40:42tracktheripper((thumps Adimas))
20:40:45tracktheripperhi Tboy
20:40:49*adi|work shivers
20:40:49TBoyhow's life treatin ya bagder
20:40:51adi|workdo it again
20:41:15Bagderlife is fine in this end
20:41:37tracktheripper((slaps Adimas))
20:44:08BagderLinus listed to radio on his FM yday
20:44:19adi|worksweet :)
20:45:05tracktheripperhi Adi|work :-)
20:46:09Stevie[FP]i presume you're implying 'with rockbox'
20:46:20adi|workim fixing the level loading right now...
20:46:26Bagderbased on rockbox code, at least ;-)
20:46:27Stevie[FP]since I could always do that, by using Rolo to load the original Archos firmware
20:46:28adi|workmy machine at home is no closer to being correct
20:46:30tracktheripperno hard feelings adi|work
20:50:06TBoythats cool
20:50:21TBoylookin forward to see what it will look like
20:52:42tracktheripperdrive partitioning
20:54:23TBoybagder: on F3 the LCD Mode button says inverse but shouldn't it be iverted
20:55:14tracktheripperyea why not include Backlight mode in the F3 Menu?
20:55:53TBoywell anyway bagder your the one who equipped the digest with rss
20:55:58tracktheripperyou could have 1) Inverse On/ Backlight On, 2) Inverse Off/Backlight On, 3)Inverse On/Backlight Off and 4) Inverse Off/Backlight Off
20:56:03Bagderreading a dictionary, I can see how both inverse and invert could be fine
20:56:47TBoyI just thought that invert would sound better but lets not waste valuable time
20:56:50tracktheripperwhat do u think Bagder?
20:56:58Stevie[FP]hey you guys
20:57:13Bagdertracktheripper: I wanna get rid of the f3 screen completely ;-)
20:57:20Stevie[FP]i have a question
20:57:26tracktheripperand what would take its place?
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20:57:45TBoyhave you got an idea why trillian doesn't capture the feed
20:57:52Stevie[FP]is it valid rss?
20:58:09TBoyit gets every other feed I have found and tested except the rb one :-(
20:58:21BagderStevie[FP]: it validates fine on the rss vaildator
20:58:25TBoyyep it says so
20:58:28Stevie[FP]oh well
20:58:31Bagderbut it assumes that you can show the content as html
20:58:33Stevie[FP]Bagder, I pose a query
20:58:55Stevie[FP]What if we merged the F2 and F3 screens together?
20:59:06tracktheripperBadger what would replace the F3 screen?
20:59:06Stevie[FP]so far, on both screens, the 'Up' key is unused
20:59:31tracktheripperyea the UP key should be used
20:59:45Stevie[FP]I could patch it to switch between the "F2 menu" and the "F3 menu"
20:59:54Stevie[FP]then F3 would be available for whatever
21:00:08adi|workBagder: with tr if i want to do a fixed translation (ie level: #\n) how do i do that?
21:00:17adi|worktr -d 'level: [:digit:]\n'
21:00:29adi|workthat is removing spaces and \n's where i dont want them gone
21:00:59Bagderadi|work: I think sed is a better tool for that
21:01:05Stevie[FP]tr is character translation
21:01:32Stevie[FP]Bagder: how does that sound?
21:02:19BagderI see no need for the f3 stuff anyway
21:02:36TBoyyea thats right
21:02:39Stevie[FP]well some of us might want it
21:02:44Stevie[FP]if the f2 stuff showed first
21:02:47TBoybut why was the up button never used
21:03:03Stevie[FP]I dunno
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21:03:13Stevie[FP]only the Recorder/FM have f1/f2/f3 right?
21:03:38TBoyno I think player too
21:03:53Bagderonly the recorders
21:03:59TBoyohh ok
21:04:11TBoyat first I thought I was right :-)
21:08:15adi|workcat levels.txt | sed 's/level: .*//'
21:08:20adi|workokay.. that kills most of it..
21:08:24adi|workbut i can't get the \n
21:08:27adi|workcat levels.txt | sed 's/level: .*\n//'
21:08:48Bagdersed 's/level: .*$//'
21:08:54BagderI think
21:09:12adi|workhmm that would only anchor to the end.. dont see how that helps.. but ill try
21:09:37adi|worknope.. still have the carriage return
21:11:09Stevie[FP]read the sed FAQ
21:11:11Stevie[FP]i'm sure it has info
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21:16:46Bagderhi ho
21:17:13Guestbadger, you're in the inner circle of rockbox, yes?
21:17:31Bagderwe're all a big happy family! ;-)
21:17:41Bagderbut I would say I am, yes
21:18:04Guesti'm wondering if perhaps you could assist me with a problem . . .
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21:18:24Guestif you're not too busy . . .
21:18:32Bagdertell us your problems and we'll try
21:18:42Guestmuch appreciated. thanks.
21:19:10Guesti have a jukebox recorder 20 and i recently installed rockbox 2.0, which i was enjoying very much
21:19:21Guestbut then the other day the thing froze up on me
21:19:39Guestwhen i turn it on i can only get to the Archos startup screen
21:19:51Stevie[FP]which screen is that?
21:20:12TBoythe one with the archos loading bar, I assume
21:20:20Guestyes that one
21:20:26TBoythe one before rb stevie
21:20:31adi|workguest.. which version are you using?
21:20:32Bagderwhat happens when you connect it to your computer?
21:20:32Guestonly three bars will turn black
21:20:37adi|workis it 2.0 or a later daily build?
21:20:47Guest2.0 rockbox
21:20:57Guestbut the archos startup screen saays OS Version 1.28
21:21:40Bagderwhat happens when you connect it to your computer?
21:22:14Guesti spoke to Archos customer svc. and first they thought it might be a batter problem, but i've recharged it all the way and then they suggested i put in regular batteries just for a brief test run and those didn't work either
21:22:34Guestwhen i hook it up to the computer the same thing happens−−freezes at opening screen
21:22:48adi|workguest... when you hook it up to the computer
21:22:51Guestthank you so much everyone.
21:22:52Bagdersounds like broken hw
21:22:56adi|workmake sure the ajbrec file is smaller then 200k
21:23:02Stevie[FP]he said he used 2.0
21:23:12adi|worki know...
21:23:16adi|workbut its just a double check
21:23:32Stevie[FP]have you tried this?
21:23:35Guesti would try to reformat the HD or do something like that, but i can't even get into it because the computer isn't recognizing it
21:23:39Stevie[FP]Hold the 'OFF' button for seven seconds
21:23:59Stevie[FP]then directly plug it into your computer, without turning it on
21:24:00Guestit shut off
21:24:15Stevie[FP](without turning on the Recorder)
21:24:28Guestgotcha. done that
21:24:37Guestit hasn't turned on
21:26:03Bagderthen turn it on, when already plugged in
21:26:14Bagderthen it won't even try to load rockbox
21:26:34Stevie[FP]that doesn't sound right
21:26:44Stevie[FP]unless the Recorder behaves diff from the FM in that respect
21:26:56Stevie[FP]the FM always turns on when you plug in the USB thing
21:27:11Guesthmmm... turn it on when already plugged in to the computer?
21:27:31TBoythats because the fm charges over usb
21:27:38Bagderthe recorder doesn't start at the usb plugged in
21:27:49BagderGuest: yes
21:29:57Guesti just did that and got the hourglass
21:30:26Guestbut nothing happened so i cntrl. alt. delete
21:30:40Guestand closed the msgsrv32 program that wasn't responding
21:31:02Guestright now the archos is still on and hanging at the startup screen
21:31:03Bagdergotta go
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21:31:10Guestthanks for your help
21:32:54Guest1any more ideas stevie?
21:33:52Stevie[FP]what OS do you have?
21:33:56Stevie[FP]and why are there so many Guests?
21:34:56Guestoops, sorry that's me twice
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21:35:09Guestit's OS 1.28
21:35:18Stevie[FP]your Windows
21:36:31Stevie[FP]yeah, piece of s... Win98 sucks.
21:36:43Stevie[FP]what happened when you turned the Recorder on when it was already plugged into the USB?
21:36:44Guestah, yes. it's true.
21:37:06Guesti got an hourglass on the comp. screen
21:37:13Stevie[FP]anything else?
21:37:17Guestand eventually had to cntrl. alt. del.
21:37:34Guestout of the msgrv32 program which wasn't responding
21:38:03Guestany hope?
21:38:34*Stevie[FP] thinks
21:38:46Stevie[FP]one of the problems is that I have an FM, which behaves a little bit differently
21:39:24Guesthmm . . .
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21:39:37Guestmaybe i'm screwed
21:39:53Stevie[FP]the last thing it displays is
21:40:08Stevie[FP]ARCHOS Jukebox
21:40:13Stevie[FP][xxxxxxxxxxx] <- full bar
21:40:16Stevie[FP]OS VFersion: 1.28
21:40:28Guestonly three of the bars fill up
21:40:47Guestthe boxes that make up the bar
21:40:49Guesti mean
21:40:56Stevie[FP]the FM has a solid bar
21:41:13Stevie[FP]how many boxes make up the bar in total?
21:41:31Guestabout 17
21:41:40Stevie[FP]so it doesn't get very far at all?
21:42:09Stevie[FP]I think bagder was right, it sounds like a hardware issue
21:42:11Stevie[FP]but first
21:42:21Stevie[FP]have you, at any point, completely removed the batteries?
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21:42:35Guestyes, but only after this started happening
21:42:51Stevie[FP]I had a PDA
21:42:57Stevie[FP]that the display screwed up
21:43:16Stevie[FP]but after I removed all the batteries and put them back in, it went back to normal
21:43:24Stevie[FP]so evidently that's not your problem
21:43:42Stevie[FP]if it was, then removing and then putting back the batteries would fix it
21:43:55Stevie[FP]You should contact Archos cust svc again
21:44:03Stevie[FP]tell them you tried what they suggested, and that it didn't work
21:44:09Guestthe last time i spoke to archos they said they thought it was a hardware problem
21:44:18Guestand to return it to the store since i have a warranty
21:44:27Guestanyone ever returned a machine to archos?
21:44:37Guestbecause i just got it a little over a month ago
21:44:49Guesti didn't really want to use the warranty already
21:46:38Guestah well . . .
21:46:41Guestthanks for your help
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21:52:31TBoyyou use up the warranty
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21:53:04TBoyyou mean after you have returned your jukebox once you can't do it again
21:53:50TBoyI mean I have had 5-6 different mp3 players various brands and have always been able to exchange them back to cash
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22:09:51Stevie[FP]is there any particular reason why connecting the USB kicks us out of F2/F3?
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22:14:38adi|workyes because you are now in usb mode
22:14:39depressed_soulhow do you use rolo to switch to Archos firmware from Rockbox (without a computer)?
22:14:40adi|worknot player mode
22:14:47adi|workdepressed_soul: read the FAQ
22:15:01Stevie[FP]that doesn't explain why we get kicked out of f2/f3
22:15:07adi|workStevie[FP]: we have no player control when on usb.. thats the general idea...
22:15:20Stevie[FP]when you connect USB
22:15:25Stevie[FP]the key function returns SYS_CONNECTED_USB
22:15:32adi|workyes and?
22:15:33depressed_soulhich part? i couldnt find it?
22:15:42Stevie[FP]when it sees that, f2_screen() and f3_screen() both call usb_screen()
22:15:59Stevie[FP]usb_screen() displays the USB screen until the USB connector is removed
22:16:04Stevie[FP]then it returns
22:16:10Stevie[FP]when control is returned to those two functions
22:16:21Stevie[FP]they both return 'true' immediately
22:16:28adi|workahhh okay.. i see what your saying
22:16:34adi|workyou'd rather return to your prior state?
22:16:58depressed_soulRolo is our bootloader. Rolo became available with our 1.4 release. To make use of Rolo, you must have a file with the same extension as your Rockbox firmware (.ajz on Recorder, .mod on Player) but a different name. You can then browse to it, and you 'run' the other firmware you wish to switch to by pressing play. Remember to set the Show Files option to "Supported" or "All" to be able to see the firmware files in the browser.
22:17:07depressed_souli know, but where is the archos firmware file?
22:17:20adi|workdepressed.. where ever you put it
22:17:32adi|workwe can't tell you that.. your the one that put it on your player
22:17:36depressed_souli never put it anywhere...?
22:17:45Stevie[FP]in which case
22:17:47Stevie[FP]you don't have one on there
22:17:49depressed_soul(i have the recorder)
22:17:51Stevie[FP]and you're booting the one in ROM
22:17:56adi|workdepressed_soul: or do you mean "i can't see the factory firmware to rolo to"
22:18:07Stevie[FP]you need to go to the archos website and download it from there
22:18:36depressed_soulso what do i do, just download it, then load it?
22:18:52adi|workokay.. depressed_soul here..
22:18:53Stevie[FP]download it
22:18:58Stevie[FP]put it on with a diff filename
22:19:07depressed_souland to switch back just turn it off and on and itll bne rockbox again?
22:19:13adi|workwhen you install rockbox.. you over right the original firmware.. so either back it up to another name or redownload it.
22:19:29depressed_souloooooooooooh, ok! :) Now i get it! thanks so much guys!!
22:19:54depressed_soulhehe,! lol
22:19:58Stevie[FP]adi|work: yes, because I see what appears to be some sort of a bug
22:20:03Stevie[FP]if you press F2/F3
22:20:05adi|workfair enough
22:20:06Stevie[FP]change a setting or two
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22:20:10Stevie[FP]then connect the USB
22:20:15Stevie[FP]then disconnect the USB
22:20:20Stevie[FP]those settings will be altered in memory
22:20:39Stevie[FP]but the code that normally runs when you exit isn't run
22:21:14Stevie[FP]and mpeg_flush_and_reload_tracks()
22:21:17adi|workhmmm should be easy enough to fix.. one sec..
22:21:52Stevie[FP]an exit=true; and a break should do that
22:22:03Stevie[FP]reason is, I'm trying to rewrite the way the f-screens work
22:22:49adi|workahh.. k
22:22:59adi|workhmmm dunno if we want/should change the state of exit
22:23:03adi|workmaybe just a break is better
22:23:41Stevie[FP]I don't know if that would influence other things
22:23:46adi|workonly because none of the other key presses change exit
22:24:09Stevie[FP]other than F2 again, ya
22:24:12adi|workoh.. wait.. nods
22:24:31adi|workwell.. i can commit the change if you want...
22:24:32*Stevie[FP] ponders interesting things
22:24:36adi|worki agree with you.
22:24:40Stevie[FP]Don't need it atm
22:24:58Stevie[FP]another thing I find interesting
22:25:06Stevie[FP]the F2 mode controls shuffle and the other thing
22:25:24Stevie[FP]Shuffle calls this code when it's changed:
22:25:31Stevie[FP]if (global_settings.playlist_shuffle)
22:25:31DBUGEnqueued KICK Stevie[FP]
22:26:04Stevie[FP]but Repeat mode calls mpeg_flush_and_reload_tracks only when it's been changed upon leaving the function
22:26:20Stevie[FP](which, incidentally, that call is of course skipped if you connect the USB first)
22:26:38Stevie[FP]is there any pressing reason why these things are done differently?
22:26:51adi|worki don't think so..
22:26:59adi|workonly that things have been hacked and slashed in there
22:27:14Stevie[FP]the only thing I could think of is that it would be a semikludgy way to force a reshuffle
22:27:24Stevie[FP]but unless somebody's using it for that direct purpose
22:28:06adi|worklet me double check
22:28:17adi|workmpeg_flush... i scalled inside of randomise_playlist right?
22:28:57CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:28:57*Stevie[FP] blinks
22:29:08adi|workgrrr.. i have to take off... ill be back in a bit
22:29:12Stevie[FP]that should have a 'z' but anyway :P
22:29:31Stevie[FP]mpeg_flush_and_reload_tracks is called by randomise_playlist
22:29:31adi|workwell.. reason for that is that the randomize is called else where...
22:29:51adi|workbut the repeat isn't
22:29:54adi|workokay.. off
22:30:03Stevie[FP]ok, cy
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22:55:38Stevie[FP]this code needs to start using 'const'
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23:00:37Zagorhowdy guys
23:00:48Stevie[FP]hey Zagor
23:00:49Stevie[FP]what's up?
23:01:20ZagorI think there's a real possibility Mike has found the source of the red led dead.
23:01:42Stevie[FP]the 'spin down with outstanding read request' ?
23:02:30Zagorno, just that some disks doesn't seem to ever want to wake up from SLEEP
23:02:37Zagorthe keep reporting BUSY forever
23:03:02Zagorare you getting the problem?
23:04:13Stevie[FP]is it possible that this BUSY state is a result of spinning down with a read request still outstanding?
23:04:40Stevie[FP]I suppose one way of testing the theory is issuing a read request, then immediately spinning down the drive
23:05:13Zagorit doesn't seem to happen on all models/units. I can never repeat the problem, while some people get it all the time
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23:05:55ZagorI'm not convinced there really is an outstanding request issue. I can't see when that would happen.
23:06:08Zagori could be wrong, of course
23:07:06*Stevie[FP] tests some kode
23:10:12Stevie[FP]stupid mapfile
23:10:19Stevie[FP]How can I find the size of each function?
23:11:20Zagorhmm, you don't.
23:11:29Stevie[FP]that's really lame
23:11:30Zagormaybe there's an option to make a more verbose map file
23:11:35Stevie[FP]then how can you tell if what you've changed
23:11:43Stevie[FP]is more or less efficient spacewise?
23:12:02Stevie[FP]I would think we'd be concerned with that
23:12:12Stevie[FP]esp with us rapidly approaching the 200k limit
23:12:15Zagori agree. however if you only change one thing then you can see the size of the .o change
23:12:21Zagori mean the .text segment for the .o
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23:22:44Stevie[FP]a few questions
23:22:56Stevie[FP]is sizeof(bool) == sizeof(int)?
23:24:24Zagorthat's compiler dependent
23:24:35Zagorbut I think that's pretty common
23:24:37Stevie[FP]we're all using the same compiler
23:24:45Stevie[FP]here's the problem
23:24:56Stevie[FP]I want to pass an pointer to a function
23:25:08Stevie[FP]but sometimes we have settings that are 'bool's
23:25:14Stevie[FP]and sometimes we have settings that are 'int's
23:26:04Stevie[FP]and it would be REALLY nice if I could treat those 'bools' as 'ints' that are 0 or 1
23:29:00*Stevie[FP] ponders
23:29:30ZagorI have no answer right now, i'm afraid. it feels a bit icky to assume they are the same size.
23:29:41Stevie[FP]yeah, I know =/
23:29:44Stevie[FP]the problem is
23:30:02Stevie[FP]having to treat bools as 'special' is EXTREMELY costly codewise
23:34:06Stevie[FP]we need to learn how to use 'const'
23:35:26Stevie[FP]and follow our own rules...
23:35:49Stevie[FP]#define str(x) language_strings[x]
23:36:26Stevie[FP]Preprocessor symbols should be all uppercase.
23:37:24Zagorheh, I haven't thought of that... :-)
23:38:27Stevie[FP]I have
23:38:35Stevie[FP]because it always makes me nervous when
23:38:38Zagorobviously :)
23:38:41Stevie[FP]void lcd_putsxy(int x, int y, unsigned char *str)
23:38:57Stevie[FP]a param/variable name is the same as a preprocessor macro
23:39:09Zagorheh, yeah
23:44:27Zagori'm off to bed
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