| 00:00:47 | Stevie[FP] | meh |
| 00:00:54 | Stevie[FP] | i don't get this |
| 00:01:14 | Stevie[FP] | shouldn't the presence of a CRC add two bytes to the frame? |
| 00:04:15 | hardeep | it does doesn't it? (a 2 byte checksum following the frame header) |
| 00:05:37 | Stevie[FP] | mmeh |
| 00:05:40 | Stevie[FP] | it appears it does not |
| 00:05:50 | Stevie[FP] | so to add crcs to an existing mp3 |
| 00:06:29 | Stevie[FP] | you'd have to basically decode and re-encode (at a higher bitrate, to make room for the 2 extra bytes per frame)) |
| 00:10:33 | _aLF | what is the interest of CRC ? |
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| 00:29:50 | Stevie[FP] | eh |
| 00:29:53 | Stevie[FP] | he didn't stay long :-o |
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| 00:34:54 | tracktheripper | hello |
| 00:37:05 | _aLF | hello |
| 00:37:39 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 00:52:56 | tracktheripper | what is a Xing header>!>! |
| 00:53:53 | tracktheripper | apart from a totally daft name?! |
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| 01:03:24 | LinusN | a xing header is a fake MP3 frame containing info about the VBR stream |
| 01:03:59 | LinusN | the format for this particular information frame was developed/specified by the Xing corporation |
| 01:04:54 | LinusN | it contains the number of frames in the stream, the total size (in bytes) of the stream, and optionally a Table Of Contents |
| 01:05:50 | LinusN | the TOC is a table of 100 seek points to seek withing the stream, where each point represents one percent |
| 01:06:28 | LinusN | "Update VBR file" scans the file and recreates the Xing header |
| 01:13:41 | tracktheripper | ok |
| 01:13:43 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 01:14:04 | tracktheripper | Linus why is that MP3 files can have ID3 tags but WAV files cannot?! |
| 01:14:39 | LinusN | because WAV is a different file format |
| 01:14:53 | tracktheripper | o |
| 01:15:07 | LinusN | technically, you can add ID3 info to a WAV file, but there are no WAV file readers that can handle it |
| 01:15:17 | tracktheripper | oh righty |
| 01:15:22 | LinusN | ID3 was developed for MP3 files |
| 01:15:36 | tracktheripper | ohh i see |
| 01:15:47 | LinusN | tracktheripper: what makes you think that DAB would be possible on the FM? |
| 01:15:57 | tracktheripper | ((runs off into the distance)) |
| 01:17:10 | tracktheripper | just write code that deciphers DAB |
| 01:17:24 | LinusN | i know that you can't possibly know all technical details about the hardware, but since you hang around on IRC, why not ask here first before polluting the feature request tracker |
| 01:17:40 | tracktheripper | :-| |
| 01:19:34 | tracktheripper | what gets me is that Soundforge, Windows Media Player are all software players and recorders etc. Why can't the Archos have a software decoder?! |
| 01:20:14 | LinusN | because the CPU is slow as hell |
| 01:20:28 | LinusN | and because there is no D/A converter to play the sound with |
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| 01:21:06 | tracktheripper | well Soundforge doesn't have a hardware d/a converter |
| 01:21:13 | tracktheripper | it runs on any modern PC |
| 01:21:15 | LinusN | a 12MHz SH1 can't really compete with a 500MHz Pentium |
| 01:21:28 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 01:21:37 | LinusN | tracktheripper: you have a sound card, don't you? |
| 01:21:42 | tracktheripper | yes |
| 01:21:47 | LinusN | that is your D/A |
| 01:21:49 | tracktheripper | a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz soundcard |
| 01:22:37 | LinusN | the MAS has a 2-channel D/A, but the SH1 can't use it |
| 01:22:47 | tracktheripper | oh |
| 01:23:19 | tracktheripper | so the device will never do wma or atrac3 |
| 01:23:20 | tracktheripper | :(( |
| 01:23:37 | LinusN | no, we have been trying to tell people that for ages |
| 01:24:14 | tracktheripper | you should remove the "Codecs" from Sourceforge then |
| 01:24:19 | tracktheripper | :) |
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| 01:24:44 | LinusN | yes, but Sourceforce doesn't allow us to delete categories |
| 01:24:56 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 01:25:00 | LinusN | almost nothing can be deleted |
| 01:25:00 | Scorp | guys I havea question, does the Archos Jukebox Studio 20 atleast have a MIC in? |
| 01:25:05 | Scorp | or can it not record at all? |
| 01:25:07 | LinusN | no |
| 01:25:27 | LinusN | the MP3 chip is different, with no recording capability |
| 01:25:31 | Scorp | is that a no to me? |
| 01:25:33 | Scorp | oh :( |
| 01:25:36 | Scorp | damn |
| 01:25:44 | Scorp | I should've just gotten the 15 gig recorder blah |
| 01:25:59 | LinusN | yes, for the sound quality too |
| 01:26:17 | LinusN | and the LCD, and the RTC, and the games |
| 01:26:19 | LinusN | ... |
| 01:26:20 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:26:23 | Scorp | ahh crap |
| 01:26:25 | Scorp | damn it |
| 01:26:29 | Scorp | I should've come here before I ordered |
| 01:26:42 | Scorp | Greetings from Amazon.com. |
| 01:26:42 | Scorp | We thought you'd like to know that we shipped your items today, and that this completes your order. |
| 01:26:43 | Scorp | damn |
| 01:26:44 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Scorp |
| 01:26:44 | Scorp | ! |
| 01:26:52 | LinusN | pity, can't you return it? |
| 01:27:00 | Scorp | it's from Amazon |
| 01:27:04 | tracktheripper | LinusN why don't u reprogram the firmware for the player to make the LCD like the recorder? |
| 01:27:19 | LinusN | tracktheripper: don't make me hit you :-) |
| 01:27:21 | Scorp | tracktheripper: I think because the LCD on the player doesn't support pixels |
| 01:27:38 | Scorp | I maybe wrong, but I'll find out in less than 6 days :( |
| 01:27:50 | LinusN | Scorp: how is it delivered? |
| 01:28:08 | Scorp | Free Shipping from Amazon |
| 01:28:32 | tracktheripper | yes it does |
| 01:28:35 | LinusN | i donät know about Amazon's policy, but there must be a way to trade up to the rec15 |
| 01:28:38 | tracktheripper | theres 22 character cells |
| 01:28:48 | tracktheripper | each with 35 pixels....... |
| 01:29:04 | LinusN | tracktheripper: we've been through this already |
| 01:29:15 | tracktheripper | :( |
| 01:29:21 | Scorp | tracktheripper the FAQ gives a reason, I don't remember it |
| 01:29:36 | tracktheripper | i suppose so |
| 01:29:37 | Scorp | I'm so damn excited I updated all the tags on my MP3s and read most docs on the rockbox site |
| 01:29:50 | LinusN | we have no control over the individual pixels on the Player LCD |
| 01:29:51 | Scorp | and I don't even own an Archos product yet |
| 01:29:59 | LinusN | Scorp: nice |
| 01:30:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 31 minutes at the last flood |
| 01:30:02 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [(Auto-Away after 1hr)] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
| 01:30:06 | tracktheripper | "the player may work if you can squeeze an entire cover into one of the player's character cells....." |
| 01:30:14 | Scorp | LinusN I'm also learning to code with this baby ;) |
| 01:30:23 | LinusN | Scorp: kickass! |
| 01:30:37 | Scorp | By the way since the only Linux I have is my mac laptop running Gentoo did anyone get this to work using gentoo? |
| 01:31:03 | Scorp | I know there is a linux patch, but are there any people who got it to work with gentoo? |
| 01:31:07 | LinusN | Scorp: i don't know, but i can't see a reason why it wouldn't work |
| 01:31:25 | Scorp | LinusN: ok good, I just want my player already |
| 01:31:26 | LinusN | what patch, and why? |
| 01:31:32 | Scorp | 20 gigs is bigger than my harddrive ;) |
| 01:31:39 | LinusN | i have 40 |
| 01:31:43 | Scorp | LinusN at the site the last link says "Linux Patch" |
| 01:31:54 | Scorp | LinusN: is it a standard laptop hdd in there? |
| 01:32:13 | LinusN | yes, that is a patch for unlocking the HD if it is accidentally locked |
| 01:32:21 | LinusN | nothing you'll need |
| 01:32:23 | Scorp | what do you mean if it is Locked? |
| 01:32:30 | Scorp | oh ok |
| 01:32:36 | LinusN | yes, a standard 2.5" 9mm laptop drive |
| 01:32:46 | Scorp | oh man I want mine |
| 01:33:15 | LinusN | Scorp: question #22 in the FAQ |
| 01:33:43 | Scorp | I didn't memorize the FAQ :( (..yet) |
| 01:33:59 | LinusN | Scorp: i definitely think you should try to return the player and get a recorder instead |
| 01:34:12 | Scorp | Damn it |
| 01:34:13 | tracktheripper | well as long as it works.... |
| 01:34:16 | LinusN | the recorder is so muchh better |
| 01:34:21 | Scorp | but then it'll be 15 gigs instead of the 20 gigs |
| 01:34:22 | tracktheripper | i have a recorder :P |
| 01:34:45 | LinusN | Scorp: don't mind the gigs, you can replace the HD if you run out of space |
| 01:34:48 | Scorp | well why would I need the recorder? I won't play games on it, and I won't use it to record anyways |
| 01:34:50 | tracktheripper | mine has a massive 10gb |
| 01:34:52 | LinusN | the recorder is USB2.0 too |
| 01:35:02 | Scorp | Oh that's a problem I don't have USB2 on my PC |
| 01:35:08 | LinusN | and much, much better sound quality |
| 01:35:17 | Scorp | LinusN even with Rockbox? |
| 01:35:28 | LinusN | USB2.0 PCI cards are cheap |
| 01:35:36 | LinusN | Scorp: of course with rockbox |
| 01:35:38 | Scorp | yeah but I spent my last 200 on the player |
| 01:35:53 | Scorp | All my birthday money... |
| 01:36:02 | tracktheripper | i want an FM recorder |
| 01:36:03 | LinusN | :-( |
| 01:36:17 | Scorp | I'll play around with the player, if I don't like it I'll try to send it back and ask them to upgrade me to a recorder |
| 01:36:44 | Scorp | I think it should be enough anyways |
| 01:36:50 | LinusN | you'll have a better chance if you return it unused |
| 01:37:04 | Scorp | I have a way of making things look "unused" |
| 01:37:12 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:37:24 | LinusN | you won't regret it |
| 01:37:50 | tracktheripper | LinusN the player should sound the same as the recorder |
| 01:37:52 | LinusN | i purchased a player first |
| 01:37:54 | tracktheripper | it just does not record |
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| 01:38:00 | Scorp | that way is ofcourse making sure the box is carefully opened and just as carefully closed, with the shrinkwrap replaced ;) |
| 01:38:04 | LinusN | tracktheripper: you haven't compared have you? |
| 01:38:10 | BoD[] | yo ! |
| 01:38:17 | tracktheripper | they both use the MAS Chip? |
| 01:38:18 | LinusN | BoD[]: yo |
| 01:38:23 | tracktheripper | the same mas chip? |
| 01:38:41 | LinusN | tracktheripper: the Player has a different MAS chip |
| 01:38:55 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 01:39:26 | LinusN | with only a simple bass/treble control, no AVC, no superbass, no loudness |
| 01:39:33 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 01:39:38 | LinusN | no peak meters |
| 01:39:41 | tracktheripper | no realizer :-( |
| 01:39:53 | Scorp | well I'll see what it's like |
| 01:39:58 | Scorp | they shipped it today |
| 01:40:11 | Scorp | so I'll have to wait until 5-9 days more :( |
| 01:40:11 | tracktheripper | i want realizer support |
| 01:40:26 | Scorp | that and I know a guy who has a recorder in my school, so I'll compare |
| 01:40:30 | LinusN | Scorp: the deliver it with a horse wagon? |
| 01:40:44 | Scorp | LinusN I would thinkso, 5-9 days is crazy |
| 01:40:44 | LinusN | 5-9 days!!! |
| 01:40:48 | Scorp | but it's free shipping |
| 01:40:58 | tracktheripper | a "realized" song really has more thump and zing :-) |
| 01:41:25 | Scorp | LinusN I think they handcraft the player and then carry it on foot to my house or something |
| 01:41:32 | Scorp | 9 days, I better have my player by friday! |
| 01:41:34 | Scorp | :) |
| 01:41:43 | LinusN | it took 3 days to ship my FM recorder from US to Sweden |
| 01:41:58 | Scorp | but you probably paid extra for shipping |
| 01:42:00 | LinusN | (it took 2 more days to clear customs) |
| 01:42:18 | LinusN | Scorp: Fedex... |
| 01:42:26 | Scorp | hmm |
| 01:42:54 | Scorp | the first person who figures out how to email a physical object will probably be one rich SOB ;) |
| 01:43:06 | LinusN | i have a player, a recorder and an fm recorder |
| 01:43:21 | tracktheripper | linus i want ur fm rec |
| 01:43:22 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 01:43:23 | PsycoXul | Scorp: spintronics |
| 01:43:48 | LightGOd20 | hi... |
| 01:43:50 | LightGOd20 | i kinda need some help... |
| 01:43:51 | LinusN | tracktheripper: i never use it, but i need it for developing |
| 01:43:58 | tracktheripper | oh |
| 01:43:59 | Scorp | damn I'll probably continue upgrading if I fall in love with the player, I may even write some small programs for the player, like a txt based calculator heh ( I haven;t figured out how it'll work yet lol) |
| 01:44:00 | tracktheripper | is FM any good? |
| 01:44:03 | PsycoXul | first you align and phase-lock your object, then you tip their spins which propagate down the line to the end point where the spins line back up like the original object and then dephase and there you go |
| 01:44:03 | LinusN | LightGOd20: shoot |
| 01:44:10 | LightGOd20 | i just got a jukebox 5000 charged up the batteries and try to boot it up.. but it just keeps on shutting down... |
| 01:44:18 | LightGOd20 | it works fine when it's plugged in |
| 01:44:26 | LinusN | tracktheripper: the reception? |
| 01:44:27 | LightGOd20 | but i've tried another set of batteries and i get the same problem |
| 01:44:35 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 01:45:02 | LinusN | LightGOd20: spinup...click...spindown...click....up...click...down? |
| 01:45:10 | LightGOd20 | nop |
| 01:45:15 | LightGOd20 | just wont boot.. |
| 01:45:23 | LinusN | tracktheripper: it's pretty sensitive, but i think it's good |
| 01:45:33 | Scorp | LightGOd20 even with the standard BIOS? |
| 01:45:36 | tracktheripper | ool |
| 01:45:36 | tracktheripper | cool |
| 01:45:42 | Scorp | erm default firmware I meant |
| 01:45:43 | Scorp | sorry |
| 01:45:43 | LightGOd20 | but if i hold the ON button while playing songs it works fine.. and as soon i let go i shuts down |
| 01:45:48 | LinusN | LightGOd20: sounds like a battery problem, but it might be a connector prob too, check the battery springs |
| 01:45:53 | LightGOd20 | yeap standard bios |
| 01:46:04 | LightGOd20 | i did already |
| 01:46:18 | LinusN | does it charge? |
| 01:46:19 | BoD[] | lightgod20: it plays songs ? then it boots! |
| 01:46:26 | LightGOd20 | the odd thing is that as long as i hold down the ON button it works fine |
| 01:46:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:46:39 | LinusN | LightGOd20: sounds like ou fried something |
| 01:47:07 | LightGOd20 | yeah.. but how.. i just gt it... never used it before.. |
| 01:47:07 | Scorp | LightGOd20: there is your problem probably there is something wrong with the ON button, unless it works when the charge is in and the on button isn't down aswell |
| 01:47:29 | Scorp | LightGOd20: send it back to archos let em deal with it ;) |
| 01:47:30 | LightGOd20 | well while it's charging it works normally |
| 01:47:44 | LightGOd20 | yeap.. the problem is.... i'm in Argentina |
| 01:48:05 | BoD[] | open it and resolder the back :) |
| 01:48:06 | LinusN | LightGOd20: oh, argentina, On buttons never work in Argentina |
| 01:48:36 | LightGOd20 | linusn yeahh maybe that's the reason.. |
| 01:48:39 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:49:00 | elinenbe | LinusN: do you know what the largest size font that can be used is? |
| 01:49:03 | Scorp | LightGOd20: have you tried driving accross the border into a diffrent country, see if that solves the problem? (joke) |
| 01:49:14 | LightGOd20 | mm |
| 01:49:16 | LinusN | LightGOd20: it may be a grounding problem. have you dropped it recently? |
| 01:49:24 | LinusN | elinenbe: 16 pixels |
| 01:49:36 | LightGOd20 | no no.. nothing happened to the player,.. |
| 01:49:56 | LightGOd20 | and it works fine when charging,,, |
| 01:49:58 | Scorp | by the way guys I know it has 2mbs of ram but if I try jogging with the player will it skip? |
| 01:50:00 | LinusN | several people have had problems with bad soldering on the jukebox |
| 01:50:12 | LinusN | Scorp: keep it in yoour hand |
| 01:50:23 | LinusN | the hard drive is sensitive |
| 01:50:30 | tracktheripper | my JB never skips when running |
| 01:50:31 | Scorp | while jogging? |
| 01:50:31 | LightGOd20 | ok.. but then how to you explain the fact that as long as i hold down the ON buton it plays songs.. |
| 01:50:56 | LinusN | LightGOd20: because the ON button grounds it? |
| 01:51:09 | elinenbe | hmmm.... what is keeping it from supporting up to larger pixels? |
| 01:51:27 | LinusN | the lcd_bitmap() function |
| 01:51:47 | BoD[] | really, i |
| 01:51:53 | BoD[] | have similar problems |
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| 01:51:59 | LightGOd20 | linusn: i don't know... but it seems to be something involvng the on button.. |
| 01:52:03 | LinusN | i gotta go now |
| 01:52:08 | BoD[] | with on buttons and everything, and it is a soldering problem |
| 01:52:09 | LightGOd20 | ok |
| 01:52:16 | LightGOd20 | thanks... |
| 01:52:29 | LinusN | time to sleep, 2AM here |
| 01:52:32 | LinusN | nite |
| 01:52:35 | elinenbe | gnite |
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| 01:52:40 | LightGOd20 | bod: but in order to fix it i gotta open it.. |
| 01:52:57 | _aLF | good night |
| 01:53:00 | LightGOd20 | and that will void my warranty... |
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| 01:53:35 | Scorp | would it be possible to code something for the JB that allows text input? Like an onscreen display which gives you a selection of letters to scroll through and then you push a button to have that letter appear and then you can push something else to save it as a file (y/n) ? |
| 01:53:51 | LightGOd20 | bod: did you manage to fix the problem yourself? |
| 01:54:03 | BoD[] | light: if you care for your warranty then send it back :) |
| 01:54:11 | BoD[] | otherwise, it's really useless! |
| 01:54:33 | BoD[] | i opened it and soldered it ...... then it unsoldered again and I never fixed it |
| 01:54:54 | BoD[] | now it reboots very frequently I have to solder it again but I'm too lazy |
| 01:55:04 | LightGOd20 | ok.. |
| 01:55:46 | Scorp | anybody? |
| 01:55:55 | Scorp | I know it's a lame idea but it could be useful :-/ |
| 01:55:58 | LightGOd20 | well.. mine doesn't reboot..it just shuts down |
| 01:57:20 | BoD[] | scorp : imho it's possible |
| 01:57:50 | LightGOd20 | bod: where exactly was the soldering problem? |
| 01:57:51 | Scorp | BoD[] on the player? |
| 01:58:04 | BoD[] | scorp : of course ! |
| 01:58:30 | BoD[] | light : do you have a fix font ? |
| 01:58:44 | LightGOd20 | nope |
| 01:59:31 | Scorp | could it be that LightGOd20 has screwed up firmware? maybe upgrade to the latest one from archos? |
| 01:59:38 | Scorp | or is this 100& hardware problem? |
| 01:59:46 | BoD[] | well cutnpaste this in something with a fix font : |
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| 02:00:14 | LightGOd20 | well i've tried archos update, rockbox 2.0 and the original firmware... and i still get the same error |
| 02:00:22 | Scorp | oh |
| 02:00:24 | BoD[] | top O−−-O |
| 02:00:24 | BoD[] | | | |
| 02:00:24 | BoD[] | | | |
| 02:00:24 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK BoD[] |
| 02:00:24 | BoD[] | bottom O−−-O <- there |
| 02:01:14 | BoD[] | do you see what i mean ? :) |
| 02:01:32 | Scorp | are you going to show him how to soldier his player via ASCII ? |
| 02:02:10 | LightGOd20 | yeah.. try something else.. like jpg.. otherwise i think i'm gonna realy screw things up ;) |
| 02:02:10 | BoD[] | no! i just showed him where "solder weakness" was |
| 02:02:31 | Scorp | lol |
| 02:02:48 | BoD[] | well it's simple really! there is a "plate" or something i don't know the word |
| 02:02:56 | BoD[] | in the bottom of the archos |
| 02:03:06 | LightGOd20 | ahh ok |
| 02:03:06 | BoD[] | where the battery make "pressure" on it |
| 02:03:17 | BoD[] | so it desolders itself |
| 02:03:26 | Scorp | yeah you'll see a chip that looks like this: o next to it is a wire that looks like this - just fuse this wire to a red wire that looks like this "−−-" nothing to it! |
| 02:03:37 | BoD[] | :)))) |
| 02:04:13 | BoD[] | noooo really it's obvious ! |
| 02:04:18 | LightGOd20 | ok.... now i'd better look at some pics of the archos' board.. |
| 02:04:33 | BoD[] | you'll open it and you'll see what is not soldered |
| 02:04:46 | LightGOd20 | ok |
| 02:05:02 | LightGOd20 | so are you 100% positive it's not something else? |
| 02:05:26 | Scorp | LightGOd20: If I were you I'd send it to Archos unless you're good with electronics |
| 02:05:37 | LightGOd20 | cuz.. really i can't afford a new jukebox... |
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| 02:06:22 | SheriffFruitfly | hello? (new to irc.....) |
| 02:06:41 | Scorp | hello comrade! |
| 02:06:47 | Scorp | welcome to communist irc channel |
| 02:06:51 | Scorp | here we share everything |
| 02:06:56 | BoD[] | light : i'm absolutly NOT positive it's not something else |
| 02:07:04 | Scorp | from ones abilities to his need |
| 02:07:07 | BoD[] | i just say, i had the same symptoms |
| 02:07:12 | LightGOd20 | ok |
| 02:07:14 | BoD[] | and it was unsoldered |
| 02:07:22 | LightGOd20 | well thanks... |
| 02:07:25 | Scorp | (I'm just kidding, hi SheriffFruitfly) |
| 02:07:28 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:07:30 | BoD[] | now... consider the fact that my unit still DOESN't work :)) |
| 02:07:35 | LightGOd20 | i think i'm gonna follow your advice.. |
| 02:07:41 | LightGOd20 | ohh ok |
| 02:07:50 | LightGOd20 | i just changed my mind ;) |
| 02:08:01 | SheriffFruitfly | dunno how to whisper, scorp... sorry - lol |
| 02:08:12 | Scorp | /msg <nickname> |
| 02:08:17 | Scorp | /msg <nickname> <text> |
| 02:09:31 | BoD[] | light : look at this : http://JRAF.org/tmp/solder.jpg |
| 02:10:03 | BoD[] | red circles show what was unsoldered on my unit |
| 02:10:34 | LightGOd20 | ok.. thanks.. i'm loking at it right now |
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| 02:11:32 | SheriffFruitfly | bah |
| 02:12:47 | SheriffFruitfly | was just curious - are any of the rockbox devs involved in the linux/ipod thing, or is everyone staunch archos supporters? |
| 02:13:21 | Scorp | linux ipod have nothing in common? |
| 02:13:45 | SheriffFruitfly | cept that they've put linux on an ipod..... |
| 02:13:52 | Scorp | oh yeah that too |
| 02:13:55 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:14:01 | Scorp | but iPods are an apple product |
| 02:14:10 | SheriffFruitfly | you speak the truth |
| 02:14:11 | BoD[] | sheriff: i think there is no rockbox people involved in the linux/ipod thing |
| 02:14:12 | Scorp | and everyone knows my HO on apple :( |
| 02:14:58 | SheriffFruitfly | just curious...... sorry - didn't mean to hijack the topic...... |
| 02:15:07 | Scorp | BoD[] do you think it makes sense for the average user like me to go from player to recorder at the extra price? |
| 02:15:45 | SheriffFruitfly | Scorp - do yo u urself day in day out wishing you had the recording capability? |
| 02:16:00 | Scorp | SheriffFruitfly: nope |
| 02:16:08 | Scorp | but it's a better LCD and better player overall I think |
| 02:16:13 | SheriffFruitfly | there's ur answer, i would think - lol |
| 02:16:19 | SheriffFruitfly | oooooooo |
| 02:16:43 | Scorp | if I need a recorder I'll pay $20 and get a small tape recorder which I'll feed into my PC and then into my archos if necessary but I rarely need to record things |
| 02:16:52 | Scorp | and can probably live with out it |
| 02:17:22 | Scorp | I used to need to record my lectures but I won't have any next year anyways |
| 02:17:27 | Scorp | now that I'm done with AP Art History |
| 02:17:58 | SheriffFruitfly | then, other than satisfying the desire to be technologically up-to-date (which is totally valid), why spend a few hundred <currency> ? |
| 02:18:13 | SheriffFruitfly | god that musta sucked (AP art history) |
| 02:18:34 | Scorp | SheriffFruitfly: you're making sense, hence I must do the opposite :) jk. |
| 02:18:42 | SheriffFruitfly | story of my life |
| 02:18:43 | BoD[] | what is the extra price |
| 02:18:43 | Scorp | no, Art History was, suprisingly enough, kind of fun. |
| 02:19:12 | SheriffFruitfly | always seemed like just memorizing lotsa pix/paintings/etc |
| 02:19:12 | Scorp | BoD I'd have to send my player back, pay for S&H and then pay probably the extra $65 to get the recorder |
| 02:19:17 | Scorp | which is probably not worth it anyways |
| 02:19:23 | Scorp | SheriffFruitfly: not at all |
| 02:19:31 | SheriffFruitfly | o - then kewl |
| 02:19:44 | SheriffFruitfly | just a warning - that's wut it's like in college - lol |
| 02:20:02 | BoD[] | no no really it's not worth it |
| 02:20:03 | Scorp | because most art is inpsired by art before it, you can look at a painting tell what it's like where it came from and what kind it is |
| 02:20:19 | BoD[] | i have a recorder |
| 02:20:20 | Scorp | BoD[]: and the sound quality diffrence is there any really, or any significant diffrence? |
| 02:20:23 | BoD[] | i never record anything ! |
| 02:20:43 | BoD[] | the sound quality... well I don't know. never heard a player.. |
| 02:21:04 | BoD[] | i always thought the sound quality of the recorder was great |
| 02:21:19 | BoD[] | but i'm far from being a specialist |
| 02:21:43 | Scorp | well if the diffrence is the same as it is between an MP3 and an OGG then I don't care |
| 02:21:44 | SheriffFruitfly | why would there be a difference? (here's why there wouldn't be: extra production cost) |
| 02:22:08 | Scorp | SheriffFruitfly: there was a guy here a few minutes ago who claimed that the recorder has a better chip |
| 02:22:16 | SheriffFruitfly | ooooooo |
| 02:22:17 | Scorp | and I think he was a rockbox developer |
| 02:22:19 | BoD[] | yes the chips are different :) |
| 02:22:23 | BoD[] | but still |
| 02:22:24 | Scorp | LinusN |
| 02:22:25 | SheriffFruitfly | gotcha |
| 02:22:31 | BoD[] | i mean... if you're rich |
| 02:22:35 | BoD[] | get an ipod :)) |
| 02:22:38 | Scorp | no way |
| 02:22:39 | SheriffFruitfly | LOL |
| 02:22:42 | Scorp | I'm not selling my soul to apple |
| 02:22:42 | Scorp | never |
| 02:22:51 | SheriffFruitfly | but you will to M$? |
| 02:22:52 | BoD[] | if not... don't bother buying a recorder if you have a player |
| 02:23:05 | Scorp | I have an PowerBook G3 (it was a gift) and it runs Gentoo because I hate OS X |
| 02:23:12 | Scorp | SheriffFruitfly: yeah, MS software is easier to pirate :) |
| 02:23:18 | SheriffFruitfly | troo dat! |
| 02:23:26 | BoD[] | well I have to tell you ... i'd rather buy from apple 1000000x than buy from archos |
| 02:23:32 | BoD[] | i don't like them ! |
| 02:23:34 | Scorp | that and FreeBSD doesn't run well on this computer |
| 02:23:44 | SheriffFruitfly | i would too, if it just wasn't so damn expensive...... |
| 02:24:00 | Scorp | yeah but I'm only 16 (as of may 14th, hence the purchase is with birthday money) and I can't afford an iPOD and I don't want to buy a firewire card |
| 02:24:40 | SheriffFruitfly | spend the money on something worthwhile - like a..... um...... |
| 02:24:46 | BoD[] | ok but my advice is |
| 02:24:46 | Scorp | and I'm far from rich - unfortunately |
| 02:24:49 | BoD[] | wait |
| 02:24:49 | SheriffFruitfly | video card! |
| 02:24:54 | BoD[] | keep your money |
| 02:25:02 | BoD[] | and later, you'll buy something better :) |
| 02:25:06 | Scorp | they shipped the player today already so blah |
| 02:25:11 | BoD[] | but of course that's just my opinion |
| 02:25:49 | Scorp | I'm surprised MS didn't come out with an MP3 player, hdd based |
| 02:26:00 | Scorp | they make good hardware, as far as I know.... |
| 02:26:05 | BoD[] | very true |
| 02:26:22 | SheriffFruitfly | mouse is only thing i know/like - can't stand the damn broken keyboards..... |
| 02:26:23 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:26:23 | * | Scorp uses a MS Mouse, a Linux OS, and an Apple Laptop |
| 02:26:37 | SheriffFruitfly | but nice mousey tho..... |
| 02:26:48 | Scorp | oh the kb was ok, I didn't care much, broken in 2 or not |
| 02:26:58 | SheriffFruitfly | bah - hate that |
| 02:27:07 | SheriffFruitfly | impedes my smoking |
| 02:27:14 | Scorp | lol |
| 02:27:17 | Scorp | good |
| 02:27:20 | SheriffFruitfly | :) |
| 02:27:30 | Scorp | they should sell their kbs with nicotine boxes |
| 02:27:36 | BoD[] | mouhah ;) |
| 02:27:41 | BoD[] | good idea |
| 02:27:43 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:27:51 | Scorp | or wait |
| 02:27:54 | Scorp | nicorete I meant |
| 02:27:58 | SheriffFruitfly | doh! |
| 02:27:59 | Scorp | the stuff that makes you stop smoking lol |
| 02:28:06 | Scorp | not the stuff in cigarettes |
| 02:28:06 | SheriffFruitfly | it's called death, i think |
| 02:28:12 | Scorp | yeah heh |
| 02:28:13 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:28:16 | BoD[] | no but they could at least incorporate a |
| 02:28:21 | BoD[] | a... |
| 02:28:23 | Scorp | an ash tray? |
| 02:28:45 | SheriffFruitfly | that'd be kewl |
| 02:28:46 | BoD[] | yeah i guess? how do you call the thing where you put cigarettes |
| 02:28:49 | SheriffFruitfly | awesome actually..... |
| 02:28:52 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:28:54 | SheriffFruitfly | whoa |
| 02:28:57 | Scorp | BoD[]: an ash tray |
| 02:29:00 | BoD[] | ok |
| 02:29:03 | BoD[] | that's it! |
| 02:29:03 | Scorp | I think |
| 02:29:06 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:29:10 | Scorp | the thing where you put the ashes when smoking? |
| 02:29:16 | SheriffFruitfly | wut else would you call it? |
| 02:29:19 | BoD[] | yes! |
| 02:29:22 | BoD[] | wait |
| 02:29:28 | BoD[] | i'll ask Babylon.com |
| 02:29:31 | Scorp | lol |
| 02:29:35 | Scorp | what's your native language? |
| 02:29:36 | SheriffFruitfly | you put the "cigarette butt" in the "ashtray |
| 02:29:43 | SheriffFruitfly | when ur done smoking.... |
| 02:29:45 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:29:51 | BoD[] | ashtray |
| 02:29:53 | Scorp | no you put the cigarrete _butt_ in the _ass_ tray |
| 02:29:55 | SheriffFruitfly | rofl |
| 02:30:00 | Scorp | wait that's not funny... sorry. |
| 02:30:00 | SheriffFruitfly | lmao |
| 02:30:04 | BoD[] | mouhaha :) |
| 02:30:07 | SheriffFruitfly | was too |
| 02:30:21 | Scorp | whatever floats your boat man ;) |
| 02:30:25 | Scorp | you know what floats my boat? |
| 02:30:28 | Scorp | my archos player |
| 02:30:30 | Scorp | when it comes |
| 02:30:31 | SheriffFruitfly | um....... do i wanna? |
| 02:30:33 | Scorp | 5-9 days :( |
| 02:30:38 | SheriffFruitfly | whoa |
| 02:30:49 | SheriffFruitfly | english = 1st language |
| 02:31:33 | Scorp | russian is my 1st Language, even though I only spent 2 days in that hell hole |
| 02:31:38 | Scorp | english is my 2nd language |
| 02:31:52 | SheriffFruitfly | ah - 1st = ? |
| 02:32:04 | Scorp | l33t sp33k is my 3rd - joke. |
| 02:32:20 | Scorp | ? |
| 02:32:22 | Scorp | what's that |
| 02:32:25 | BoD[] | and i'm french |
| 02:32:37 | SheriffFruitfly | 1st language = ? |
| 02:32:38 | BoD[] | hey did you see matrix 2 |
| 02:32:43 | SheriffFruitfly | fucking sucked |
| 02:32:48 | Scorp | lol |
| 02:32:50 | SheriffFruitfly | soooo disappointing |
| 02:32:52 | Scorp | that's a good response |
| 02:32:54 | BoD[] | what! |
| 02:32:56 | SheriffFruitfly | yup |
| 02:33:02 | BoD[] | no it was good come on |
| 02:33:07 | SheriffFruitfly | cha |
| 02:33:24 | BoD[] | maybe too "bad philosophical" |
| 02:33:28 | SheriffFruitfly | remember the ewok paarty/dance scene from return of the jedi? |
| 02:33:36 | SheriffFruitfly | it was in matrix2 |
| 02:33:43 | SheriffFruitfly | or was that a jlo video? christ |
| 02:33:51 | Scorp | rofl |
| 02:34:03 | BoD[] | arrrff:) why is everybody talking about these 5 minutes! |
| 02:34:12 | SheriffFruitfly | cuz they sucked ass |
| 02:34:23 | SheriffFruitfly | rest of the movie was silly - totally plotless |
| 02:34:25 | BoD[] | welll as you said it was like a video |
| 02:34:43 | BoD[] | nothing to do in the movie, but it was not that bad ! |
| 02:34:55 | Scorp | Matrix == Harry Potter for big kids |
| 02:34:56 | SheriffFruitfly | just those 5 min - rest was just random things happening to random people for no good reason, but with very good special effects |
| 02:35:12 | BoD[] | don't tell me you didn't like the "car" scenes ! |
| 02:35:14 | Scorp | i kid i kid |
| 02:35:18 | SheriffFruitfly | they were ok |
| 02:35:35 | BoD[] | ok except some parts were ripped from t2 |
| 02:35:41 | SheriffFruitfly | cept for the neverending party, i didn't mind any of the scenes, taken on their own |
| 02:35:48 | SheriffFruitfly | they just didn't add up toa good movie |
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| 02:36:07 | BoD[] | ralalala |
| 02:36:08 | Scorp | sequels never live up to their first movies |
| 02:36:14 | SheriffFruitfly | two towers did |
| 02:36:29 | BoD[] | t2 did ! |
| 02:36:33 | SheriffFruitfly | troo dat |
| 02:36:36 | SheriffFruitfly | good call |
| 02:36:43 | SheriffFruitfly | only two i can think of tho - lol |
| 02:36:46 | BoD[] | the first terminator is allright.. .the second one is great! |
| 02:36:56 | SheriffFruitfly | nah - both great |
| 02:36:59 | BoD[] | hmm well maybe back to the future then :) |
| 02:37:02 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:37:22 | SheriffFruitfly | nah - aliens is a better example..... |
| 02:37:26 | SheriffFruitfly | imho |
| 02:37:51 | BoD[] | ..hmm aliens is not my favorite one . For me it is inferior to the first one |
| 02:38:20 | SheriffFruitfly | ah well.... it was hoping too much to hope for unamimity i guess.... lol |
| 02:38:27 | SheriffFruitfly | back to the future it is then! |
| 02:38:45 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 02:39:03 | Scorp | hmm |
| 02:39:12 | SheriffFruitfly | but anyhoo - if they get a mostly-full-featured linux running on the ipod, i'll totally drop the archos and go get the ipod |
| 02:39:20 | SheriffFruitfly | way more versatile |
| 02:39:25 | SheriffFruitfly | with such an OS |
| 02:39:42 | Scorp | umm no...? |
| 02:39:49 | Scorp | wtf are you going to do with Linux on the ipod? |
| 02:39:51 | Scorp | run apache? |
| 02:39:54 | BoD[] | even without linux |
| 02:40:18 | BoD[] | ipod is inherantly better than jukebox |
| 02:40:27 | BoD[] | except if you want record of course |
| 02:40:28 | Scorp | "Hey man I got a beowolf of ipods running Linux and MySQL, RA!" |
| 02:40:31 | SheriffFruitfly | lol - that'd be awesome - do a pump up the volume thing |
| 02:40:57 | Scorp | I bet NetBSD already runs on the iPod |
| 02:41:08 | BoD[] | i dont think so |
| 02:41:13 | SheriffFruitfly | run around plugging into the internet, brocasting pirate signal.... |
| 02:41:14 | SheriffFruitfly | lol |
| 02:41:34 | Scorp | BoD[]: netbsd runs on everything attempts to deny this are futile. |
| 02:41:49 | BoD[] | :))) |
| 02:41:58 | BoD[] | resistance is futile i know i know |
| 02:42:46 | SheriffFruitfly | smoke time.... |
| 02:42:51 | Scorp | (me thinks of french jokes...anyways.. ;) ) |
| 02:43:24 | Scorp | kidding ;) |
| 02:44:14 | BoD[] | please forget them |
| 02:44:22 | Scorp | already did :) |
| 02:45:49 | Scorp | what's the CPU in the ipod?' |
| 02:47:29 | BoD[] | ARM7 I think ? |
| 02:49:01 | Scorp | there is a lot of "ARM" type CPUs out there |
| 02:49:15 | Scorp | so my guess is that netbsd will be running on an iPOD near you, soon. |
| 02:50:55 | BoD[] | welll |
| 02:50:59 | BoD[] | that's possible |
| 02:51:09 | BoD[] | but I don't think it would be a good idea |
| 02:51:28 | Scorp | why not? |
| 02:53:57 | BoD[] | because the developpers should instead join the linux effort |
| 02:54:11 | BoD[] | there is no need for TWO unices on ipod :) |
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| 02:55:19 | CmdrData | whats going on |
| 02:56:38 | CmdrData | ok, ive had my Windows Disc Error Checking Program scanning my archos for like 4 hours now...and its still not done. |
| 02:56:41 | CmdrData | is that normal? |
| 02:57:10 | SheriffFruitfly | dunno - y u running disk check? |
| 02:57:34 | CmdrData | because i was having a problem with fast forwarding on large files. |
| 02:57:40 | CmdrData | say i had a 60 min mp3 |
| 02:57:58 | CmdrData | and if i fast forwarded past like 40 min, the red light would come on, and the player would lock up |
| 02:58:07 | SheriffFruitfly | running rockbox or archos? |
| 02:58:12 | CmdrData | rockbox |
| 02:58:52 | CmdrData | so i put the disc checker on, and i had assumed it would be finished by now...But it is not complete for some reason. |
| 02:59:49 | CmdrData | should i let it keep going? |
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| 03:00:43 | CmdrData | any ideas? |
| 03:00:52 | SheriffFruitfly | i'm just about the farthest thing from an expert, but i'd be more inclined to suspect the software than the hardware |
| 03:01:25 | SheriffFruitfly | and dunno if i'd let my archos do anything for 4 hours cept play |
| 03:01:26 | CmdrData | yea... |
| 03:02:28 | SheriffFruitfly | but ask someone who knows more about that kinda problem |
| 03:02:41 | SheriffFruitfly | mailing list mebbe |
| 03:04:27 | CmdrData | anyone else in here an expert |
| 03:09:41 | SheriffFruitfly | looks like not - sorry - try asking the mailing list |
| 03:09:53 | SheriffFruitfly | or searching the list archives |
| 03:10:59 | SheriffFruitfly | gtg - later |
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| 03:38:28 | Jet8810 | damn |
| 03:38:32 | Jet8810 | the MM Archos is nice... |
| 03:44:00 | Jet8810 | very interesting choice or headphone jack placement htough... |
| 03:45:49 | Jet8810 | anybody alive? |
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| 04:07:24 | Scorp | anyone got headphones advice? |
| 04:10:28 | Josh_ | heh |
| 04:10:33 | Josh_ | what do you hage in mind? |
| 04:10:34 | Josh_ | have |
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| 04:16:05 | Scorp | a decent set of ear pieces to use with my Archos |
| 04:19:24 | JEt8810\ | hmm |
| 04:19:34 | JEt8810\ | very high quality? |
| 04:20:05 | JEt8810\ | I know that beyerdynamic is a very good DJ headphone maker...the 250-80 I think is the model that I was seriously considering... |
| 04:20:12 | JEt8810\ | Sony has some nice ear buds if you prefer that... |
| 04:20:14 | JEt8810\ | Grados are also nice |
| 04:20:17 | JEt8810\ | but I must go to sleep |
| 04:20:18 | JEt8810\ | goodnight |
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| 07:44:10 | hardeep | heya Zagor |
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| 07:52:49 | Zagor | hi |
| 07:59:56 | adi|home | zagor.. you ever get my email? |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:27 | Zagor | uhm, i get lots of mail :-) i can't recall one from you lately though. |
| 08:00:41 | adi|home | i was sending you the sokoban to look at... |
| 08:00:49 | adi|home | level loading is segfaulting... |
| 08:00:58 | adi|home | im not sure where/why |
| 08:01:06 | adi|home | well.. where.. yes.. why no |
| 08:01:16 | Zagor | ok. can you send it again? |
| 08:01:27 | adi|home | sure |
| 08:02:37 | adi|home | sent |
| 08:02:42 | adi|home | hhe i know why you didn't get it |
| 08:02:43 | | Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) |
| 08:02:52 | adi|home | i sent it to linus.. but it mailed to linux@haxx... |
| 08:02:52 | adi|home | lol |
| 08:03:04 | Zagor | haha |
| 08:03:14 | Zagor | ok, got it |
| 08:03:41 | adi|home | you will need a level.txt file.. want i should sent it? |
| 08:04:03 | Zagor | please do |
| 08:04:26 | adi|home | sent |
| 08:04:35 | adi|home | you need a sokoban directory in .rockbox |
| 08:04:41 | Zagor | ok |
| 08:06:53 | adi|home | basically .. the level parsing is fine |
| 08:06:56 | adi|home | then i load it |
| 08:07:00 | adi|home | when i exit the load function |
| 08:07:01 | adi|home | i seg |
| 08:07:33 | Zagor | every time? |
| 08:08:04 | dwihno | Good morning lads |
| 08:08:06 | adi|home | yup |
| 08:12:10 | adi|home | hmm okay.. not a seg.. i get a memory access error |
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| 08:12:10 | adi|home | zagor.. if you break at 413 |
| 08:12:12 | adi|home | you will see it on the next step |
| 08:12:14 | adi|home | seperate issue... |
| 08:12:18 | adi|home | on renaming what is your opinion |
| 08:12:39 | hardeep | that sounds like stack corruption... maybe a buffer overflow? |
| 08:12:41 | adi|home | right now.. if the file to rename is given the exact same name, we actually rename it... shouldn't we just skip actually spinning up the disck? |
| 08:13:28 | adi|home | namely if the "new" name is exactly the same as the old one, don't do anything |
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| 08:22:13 | hardeep | doh, no sscanf |
| 08:22:27 | hardeep | anyone know of a standalone sscanf implementation? |
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| 08:23:44 | Zagor | can't say I do |
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| 08:46:04 | matsl | Zagor: have you had a chance to look at my patch or did you put it away in disgust |
| 08:46:27 | Zagor | matsl: no time yet, i'm afraid |
| 08:46:56 | matsl | Zagor: well there is no rush. (but don't forget it ;-) |
| 08:47:05 | matsl | Zagor: please ... |
| 08:47:58 | Zagor | :-) |
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| 09:54:33 | quelsaruk | morning :) |
| 09:56:28 | Bagder | hi |
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| 10:23:43 | quelsaruk | time to work again |
| 10:23:45 | quelsaruk | cu |
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| 11:00:59 | tracktheripper | morning |
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| 11:01:08 | Bagder | hi |
| 11:01:23 | tracktheripper | hi bagder |
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| 11:15:45 | pat23 | anyone about? |
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| 11:16:15 | Bagder | yep |
| 11:16:51 | pat23 | just wondering if anyone could tell me the status of rockbox for the FM recorder |
| 11:17:09 | Bagder | try it! ;-) |
| 11:17:20 | pat23 | my order for the archos recorder 20 was just cancelled due to lack of stock :( |
| 11:17:20 | Bagder | we're actually covering the fm pretty good now |
| 11:17:33 | Bagder | including the fm tuner |
| 11:18:14 | pat23 | so yeh, i'm considering getting the fm recorder now, it looks better anyway |
| 11:18:29 | Bagder | well, that's arguable of course... :-) |
| 11:18:47 | pat23 | heh your prob right |
| 11:20:01 | pat23 | any particular advantages of the normal recorder against the fm version? |
| 11:20:24 | Bagder | easy replacable batteries is the main thing I guess |
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| 11:20:54 | pat23 | cool |
| 11:21:19 | Bagder | in the fm version, its a LiIo that you can't replace yourself |
| 11:22:34 | Zagor | digital out is another thing (or was it in?) |
| 11:23:17 | Bagder | no, I think that was sorted out |
| 11:23:22 | Zagor | oh |
| 11:23:23 | pat23 | digital out? |
| 11:24:12 | Bagder | no it was the digital in |
| 11:24:20 | Bagder | its done differently on the fm, that's all |
| 11:24:38 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/digest/recent.html#16-apr-2003 |
| 11:24:54 | pat23 | ok |
| 11:26:08 | pat23 | any ideas on the battery life? |
| 11:28:32 | Bagder | you mean comparison between recorder and fm? |
| 11:29:36 | Bagder | the fm should run longer since it ships with more mah batteries |
| 11:29:47 | Bagder | but you can replace the recorder ones... |
| 11:30:25 | pat23 | do you mean it takes more batteries internally? |
| 11:30:59 | Bagder | no, but the FM is shipped from factory with better battery performance |
| 11:31:29 | pat23 | ah ok |
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| 12:11:35 | Zagor | bbl |
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| 12:21:47 | kang1 | hi |
| 12:22:08 | kang1 | i'm looking forward archaos player and found rockbox |
| 12:22:30 | kang1 | i wondered if it could make it play unconverted divx and stuff like that but no info on webpage |
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| 12:22:48 | Bagder | kang1: sure there is, read the faq |
| 12:23:24 | Bagder | but the answer is no |
| 12:26:07 | kang1 | thx ;) |
| 12:26:10 | kang1 | i didn't saw :) |
| 12:26:21 | kang1 | any plan ? (maybe i should rtfm :p) |
| 12:26:36 | Bagder | its impossible |
| 12:26:55 | Bagder | use an external program that converts it to mp3 |
| 12:26:56 | quel|out | Bagder: you can do it, just change the hardware :P |
| 12:26:58 | Bagder | then plat that |
| 12:27:01 | Bagder | play |
| 12:28:57 | kang1 | ah k so the soundtrack is the prob? |
| 12:29:08 | kang1 | like if my divx has already a mp3 soundtrack should work directly? |
| 12:29:19 | Bagder | please read the faq through |
| 12:29:30 | Bagder | we don't have cpu power for hardly anything complicated |
| 12:29:47 | kang1 | ok:) |
| 12:29:49 | kang1 | thx |
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| 15:53:02 | LinusN | is adi|home awake? |
| 15:54:43 | dwihno | LinusN: What's up with the rom menus? |
| 15:55:05 | LinusN | they save the contents of the onboard ROM's on the hard disk |
| 15:55:37 | dwihno | ah |
| 15:55:48 | dwihno | What am I supposed to get if my flash is programmable? |
| 15:55:57 | dwihno | I got something=something and somethingelse = something else |
| 15:56:09 | LinusN | what do you get? |
| 15:56:26 | dwihno | Let me check. |
| 15:57:25 | LinusN | should be M=BF D=D6 if you are lucky |
| 15:58:01 | dwihno | hm |
| 15:58:11 | dwihno | Then I'm lucky ;D |
| 15:58:17 | LinusN | wowee! |
| 15:58:22 | LinusN | now i gotta go |
| 15:58:30 | dwihno | Mkay. Have a nice evening :) |
| 15:58:40 | LinusN | tell adi|home that i have fixed his sokoban bug |
| 15:59:09 | LinusN | bye |
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| 15:59:16 | dwihno | adi|home: < LinusN> tell adi|home that i have fixed his sokoban bug |
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| 16:20:49 | Stevie[FP] | whats going on with the rom thing? |
| 16:21:01 | quel|out | dunno |
| 16:21:36 | Zagor | they're doing some tests to see if we can replace the archos rom with rockbox |
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| 16:24:40 | dwihno | :D |
| 16:24:42 | dwihno | ROMBOX! |
| 16:24:49 | dwihno | That would be <−−−−−−−−−−−−- this −−−−−−−−−−−−-> cool |
| 16:25:56 | quel|out | only *that* cool? |
| 16:26:30 | dwihno | yea |
| 16:26:35 | dwihno | :-) |
| 16:26:47 | dwihno | depends on how wide your dashes are |
| 16:26:49 | dwihno | my dashes are <−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− this −−−−−−−−−−−−-> wide ;) |
| 16:27:06 | Stevie[FP] | mkay |
| 16:27:26 | Stevie[FP] | heyyy |
| 16:27:27 | Stevie[FP] | if we did that |
| 16:27:37 | Stevie[FP] | we might not need to scramble our binaries |
| 16:28:12 | quel|out | ummm, we could even exterminate that 200k limit no? |
| 16:28:17 | Stevie[FP] | I don't know |
| 16:28:25 | Stevie[FP] | sounds like the rom chip's only 256kb |
| 16:29:08 | Stevie[FP] | because the mailing list mentions support for a 'twice the size' 512kb chip |
| 16:29:25 | quel|out | Stevie[FP].. i dunno |
| 16:29:56 | Stevie[FP] | which is consistent with what someone else said, that the archos rom is small and leaves 100kb free |
| 16:30:09 | Stevie[FP] | given that the ajbrec.ajz from the Archos website is only about 150kb |
| 16:30:18 | Stevie[FP] | 150kb + 100kb is darn close to 256kb |
| 16:30:26 | quel|out | :P |
| 16:30:41 | Stevie[FP] | :P |
| 16:31:07 | Stevie[FP] | but I wonder if it would be practical to run from ROM |
| 16:31:17 | Stevie[FP] | ROM has an annoying tendency to be slow |
| 16:33:30 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:33:41 | Stevie[FP] | for example, I work on a device that has 512kb RAM and primarily runs from ROM |
| 16:33:43 | Zagor | we might only gain startup time |
| 16:33:59 | dwihno | Startup time would be nice to decrease though |
| 16:34:15 | Stevie[FP] | I wonder |
| 16:34:28 | quel|out | Zagor: not only that |
| 16:34:32 | quel|out | for example |
| 16:34:35 | Stevie[FP] | I wonder how much of the startup time is spent descrambling the ajz file |
| 16:34:53 | Stevie[FP] | in which case, if we can eliminate the need for scrambling |
| 16:35:01 | quel|out | my jukebox has the annoying property of rebooting sometimes while charging |
| 16:35:29 | Stevie[FP] | that would greatly increase startup time |
| 16:35:45 | Stevie[FP] | My jukebox has an annoying property of sometimes refusing to turn on at first |
| 16:35:52 | Stevie[FP] | i'll hold ON long enough |
| 16:36:05 | Stevie[FP] | the green light and the backlight will turn on |
| 16:36:15 | Stevie[FP] | then shut off a second or two later |
| 16:36:22 | quel|out | so it starts charging using archos, and i don't trust too much in archos.. |
| 16:36:33 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: you can try booting with no .ajz file. you will see that it makes only little difference |
| 16:36:38 | Stevie[FP] | when that happens I have to hold the ON button until the startup screen shows up |
| 16:36:49 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor: I think that the image in ROM is scrambled too |
| 16:36:51 | quel|out | usring rockbox on rom, we could skip that nasty archos problem :) |
| 16:37:49 | Stevie[FP] | if you think about it, wouldn't it be easy for them to just embed a tiny bootloader and flash the .ajz file contents directly |
| 16:38:23 | Stevie[FP] | if they scrambled the firmware to try and prevent reverse-engineering |
| 16:38:46 | Stevie[FP] | then it would only make sense for them to scramble the firmware image in ROM |
| 16:39:08 | Stevie[FP] | ... has anyone extracted the ROMs contents? |
| 16:39:42 | dwihno | I "dumped" the ROM |
| 16:40:05 | dwihno | ARCH are the first four bytes in the "second area" file |
| 16:42:13 | quel|out | ARCHimage? |
| 16:42:15 | quel|out | ;) |
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| 16:49:10 | Stevie[FP] | hmm, and our ajbrec.ajz's dont' have this ARCH |
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| 17:02:08 | LinusN | Stevie[FP]: the flash is scrambled |
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| 17:18:10 | quel|out | zagor: could you please tell me how did linus know we were talking about rom?? |
| 17:18:17 | quel|out | i'm really scared :P |
| 17:18:25 | Zagor | he's checking the logs |
| 17:18:36 | quel|out | umm |
| 17:19:08 | quel|out | but not the logs on the website |
| 17:19:15 | Zagor | yes |
| 17:19:27 | quel|out | 'cause today's log won't be abailable till tomorow |
| 17:19:33 | quel|out | tomorrow |
| 17:19:51 | Zagor | look at the bottom: Today's log (updating live) |
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| 17:21:47 | quel|out | ouch |
| 17:21:48 | quel|out | btw |
| 17:22:03 | quel|out | i have a strange recorder on my hands |
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| 17:24:27 | jdarius | Hi...just updated to 2.0, and after a full charge, my Archos Recorder 20 shows only 9% charge. Bad batteries all of the sudden, or software related? |
| 17:25:24 | quel|out | Zagor: i've taked out the hard drive (to upgrade it) and i've seen 2 wires (green and red wires) going from the digital in/out to somewhere on the bottom board... |
| 17:25:26 | Zagor | jdarius: try the latest daily build. we've done a fix to the battery display. |
| 17:25:42 | Zagor | quel|out: sounds strange. |
| 17:25:47 | Zagor | i have to go. see you later! |
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| 17:26:00 | quel|out | great... |
| 17:26:20 | quel|out | linus, if you're reading this... PLEASE, i need some help, if possible |
| 17:26:34 | jdarius | Zagor...thanks...I'll grab it right away. Great software, by the way. |
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| 18:20:19 | LinusN | quel|out: i heard your cry for help |
| 18:20:47 | LinusN | send me an email linus at haxx.se if you need me |
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| 21:12:54 | RickDankoFan | greetings to all! |
| 21:13:26 | veddy | hi |
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| 21:15:01 | Stevie[FP] | all? |
| 21:15:02 | Stevie[FP] | even ME? |
| 21:15:24 | RickDankoFan | Downloaded rockbox sw for my studio 20 half an hour ago and it works great. came here to thank developers. |
| 21:15:35 | RickDankoFan | yes, Stevie[FP] all |
| 21:16:38 | quel|out | time to go home! |
| 21:16:39 | Stevie[FP] | hehe |
| 21:16:43 | Stevie[FP] | cya quel |
| 21:16:44 | veddy | yeah rockbox is awesome , i give my thanks too |
| 21:16:47 | quel|out | RickDankoFan: i hope you liked the manual |
| 21:16:48 | quel|out | :P |
| 21:17:08 | veddy | you made the pdf manual quel? |
| 21:17:08 | RickDankoFan | oh yes, much better than for sw you have to pay for |
| 21:18:01 | quel|out | yups |
| 21:18:03 | quel|out | :) |
| 21:18:04 | RickDankoFan | i was often angry about the impossibility to fine tune the volume with archos firmware. here it works like i always wished |
| 21:18:44 | veddy | oh cool quel, cause i had 2.0 for a couple of weeks and didnt even realise the queue/rename functions til i read your manual |
| 21:18:45 | veddy | good job |
| 21:19:16 | veddy | i seriously want a new HD fro my JB though, 18.6 gb's isn't enough anymore, hehe |
| 21:19:24 | quel|out | well.. a lot of people helped me adding notes and ideas. :) |
| 21:19:26 | RickDankoFan | well when i read the manual, i often thought "i wish i had the recorder model!" lol |
| 21:19:35 | veddy | lol me too |
| 21:19:50 | veddy | but i paid 200 bucks for my JB and thats not such a bad deal |
| 21:20:00 | veddy | last january |
| 21:20:09 | veddy | but recently i saw a recorder for 210 at best buy |
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| 21:20:27 | RickDankoFan | i once read an article about how to replace the 6GB disk with a 20GB one. is it possible to replace the disk within studio 20 with a bigger one? |
| 21:21:21 | veddy | yes |
| 21:21:28 | veddy | and i will once i get some money |
| 21:21:29 | veddy | :D |
| 21:21:47 | veddy | i want an 80 gb one |
| 21:21:52 | RickDankoFan | any known limitations like PC bios often has? |
| 21:22:08 | veddy | not that i know of |
| 21:22:39 | RickDankoFan | that would be cool... to carry around an 80GB jukebox... |
| 21:23:16 | veddy | yup |
| 21:23:50 | RickDankoFan | i think i'd have problems to fill it. maybe you should work on a version of vmware for the jukebox? then we could install several os to fill the disks... |
| 21:24:14 | veddy | that would be cool |
| 21:24:22 | veddy | i wouldnt have any problems filling it though :) |
| 21:24:31 | veddy | what i really want is the new multimedia archos thing |
| 21:24:35 | RickDankoFan | just with music? |
| 21:24:42 | veddy | yeah |
| 21:24:44 | veddy | just with music |
| 21:24:52 | veddy | rip all my cd's and LP's |
| 21:25:08 | veddy | and borrow a few friends ;) |
| 21:25:54 | RickDankoFan | hmmm, i don't know if i would use the multimedia model. don't watch many movies |
| 21:26:05 | RickDankoFan | and there would be no rockbox! |
| 21:26:33 | veddy | yeah that would suck , i bet the default mod thing for it sucks just like the default JB one |
| 21:26:46 | veddy | it always skipped at 256kbs and up for me |
| 21:26:51 | veddy | but rockbox fixed that |
| 21:26:54 | veddy | and many many other things |
| 21:27:08 | veddy | the cool thing about the multimedia model |
| 21:27:13 | veddy | is that you can hook it up to a tv |
| 21:27:13 | RickDankoFan | yes? |
| 21:27:17 | Stevie[FP] | 80gb |
| 21:27:18 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
| 21:27:23 | veddy | and it has a better picture than a vcr |
| 21:27:29 | RickDankoFan | really? |
| 21:27:30 | Stevie[FP] | yes, I believe there will be problems |
| 21:27:31 | veddy | so thats quite useful |
| 21:28:49 | RickDankoFan | Stevie[FP]: problems inserting such a big disk into the jukebox? |
| 21:29:43 | Stevie[FP] | I'm thinking more about the machine you plug it into |
| 21:30:03 | Stevie[FP] | the theoretical maximum for fat32 is 2 terabytes |
| 21:30:14 | Stevie[FP] | but I remember seeing something about a 32gb limit |
| 21:30:37 | RickDankoFan | had a pc with such a limit, had to update the bios |
| 21:31:18 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, but there was something about Windows too |
| 21:31:54 | veddy | every ver. of windows? |
| 21:32:39 | RickDankoFan | why would that matter for the player? |
| 21:32:54 | veddy | you hgave to format it |
| 21:32:56 | Stevie[FP] | You cannot format a volume larger than 32 GB in size using the FAT32 file system in Win2K/XP. The Win2K/XP FastFAT driver can mount and support volumes larger than 32 GB that use the FAT32 file system (subject to the other limits), but you cannot create one using the Format tool. This behaviour is by design. Microsoft recommends using NTFS for partitions greater than 32GB. |
| 21:32:59 | Stevie[FP] | dorks |
| 21:33:16 | veddy | that sucks |
| 21:33:19 | veddy | :( |
| 21:33:20 | * | RickDankoFan mounts the Jukebox on Linux |
| 21:33:25 | Stevie[FP] | RickDankoFan: agreed |
| 21:33:35 | Stevie[FP] | I assume someone wrote a mkfat32fs |
| 21:33:40 | RickDankoFan | that is true |
| 21:33:49 | Stevie[FP] | in which case |
| 21:33:53 | Stevie[FP] | all you need is a couple of floppies |
| 21:34:03 | RickDankoFan | even if you have no linux, you can use a rescue system that just starts from cd |
| 21:34:29 | RickDankoFan | on cd of suse is such a system |
| 21:34:30 | Stevie[FP] | make a kernel with compiled-in USB mass storage support |
| 21:34:35 | RickDankoFan | knoppix is a new one |
| 21:36:35 | Stevie[FP] | I wish I knew where Linus got his info for the xing VBR header |
| 21:39:53 | | Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB94C28.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:40:03 | tracktheripper | hello |
| 21:40:53 | Stevie[FP] | howdy |
| 21:41:13 | RickDankoFan | hi tracktheripper |
| 21:41:39 | tracktheripper | hello |
| 21:41:44 | tracktheripper | just been in sourceforge |
| 21:41:53 | tracktheripper | a lot of "None" requests have been removed |
| 21:46:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:47:01 | RickDankoFan | i must leave. so thanks again to the developers for the rockbox, maybe I'll jump in again from time to time. |
| 21:48:05 | RickDankoFan | send me a message when the voice control module for the recorder goes to beta! :)) |
| 21:48:12 | RickDankoFan | bye! |
| 21:48:17 | | Part RickDankoFan |
| 21:49:47 | tracktheripper | sdeeya |
| 21:59:48 | tracktheripper | quiet here now |
| 21:59:49 | tracktheripper | :( |
| 22:00 |
| 22:06:21 | | Quit veddy ("Proops") |
| 22:08:38 | tracktheripper | anyone alive? |
| 22:09:48 | Stevie[FP] | sorta |
| 22:16:15 | | Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-156-244-132.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:22:52 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 22:28:36 | Jet8810 | hey |
| 22:28:37 | Jet8810 | holy shit! |
| 22:28:43 | Jet8810 | The Archos Multimedia is AMAZING |
| 22:28:45 | tracktheripper | whats up |
| 22:28:49 | tracktheripper | do u have one@ |
| 22:29:17 | Jet8810 | my older brother got one |
| 22:29:23 | Jet8810 | and now I frown upon my recorder...LOL |
| 22:29:39 | Jet8810 | THAT is sickening...my bro got a 20gb MP3/movie/picture viewer..The Archos Multimedia...it can read CF or SM cards, work as a digital camera, watch divx movies and pictures and listen to music and display ANY of this amazingly clear on a TV! |
| 22:29:46 | webmind | yay.. /me finally has a 40gb hd in his archos |
| 22:29:48 | Jet8810 | copied from IM...lol |
| 22:29:58 | webmind | now i can use the queu function ;) |
| 22:30:04 | Jet8810 | hah |
| 22:30:11 | Jet8810 | webmind, how much did you pay? |
| 22:30:17 | tracktheripper | jet but it doesn't have rockbox :) |
| 22:30:20 | webmind | Jet8810, 150 euro |
| 22:30:26 | Jet8810 | heh track... |
| 22:30:28 | Jet8810 | very true... |
| 22:30:35 | Jet8810 | and the headphone jack is on the SIDE of the unit...very strange |
| 22:30:45 | Jet8810 | webmind, not bad |
| 22:30:45 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 22:30:49 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 22:30:50 | * | webmind found a downside on rickbox.. if your fs is locked u cant use the queue function :( |
| 22:30:55 | webmind | Jet8810, nope |
| 22:31:00 | tracktheripper | is the screen a TFT type on the MM |
| 22:31:06 | Jet8810 | I dont know |
| 22:31:08 | Jet8810 | not good in sunlight |
| 22:31:12 | Jet8810 | and its black when its turned off |
| 22:31:21 | Jet8810 | ever used a Palm IIIC? |
| 22:31:28 | Jet8810 | its the same type of screen, but the resolution is very nice |
| 22:31:36 | Jet8810 | I could never own it though, it doesnt work great in sunlight |
| 22:31:36 | Jet8810 | its that simple |
| 22:31:49 | tracktheripper | it must be a STN type |
| 22:33:00 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 22:33:01 | Jet8810 | nevermind |
| 22:33:18 | Jet8810 | it does work OK in the sunlight...if you change the color scheme to white on black you can see it fine, otherwise a little bit of squinting |
| 22:33:23 | Jet8810 | but the whole screen doesnt turn black... |
| 22:33:59 | Jet8810 | damnit, cant I find a really bad flaw in this product? |
| 22:34:00 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 22:37:20 | Jet8810 | well it doesnt run rockbox...that is a rather big flaw |
| 22:38:49 | PsycoXul | tiny screen, limited functionality |
| 22:38:57 | Jet8810 | screens bigger then recorder |
| 22:39:04 | Jet8810 | limited functionabiliyt...do go on... |
| 22:39:08 | PsycoXul | a pda's screen is tiny |
| 22:39:16 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 22:39:21 | PsycoXul | the MM's screen is just itty bitty |
| 22:39:24 | Jet8810 | I am comparing th emultimedia to my archos recorder |
| 22:39:29 | Jet8810 | and they are the saem size actually |
| 22:40:02 | PsycoXul | the modules are proprietary and expensive... |
| 22:40:35 | PsycoXul | personally i'd wait for at least 2nd or 3rd generations of MM-class devices before i'd consider getting one |
| 22:40:40 | Jet8810 | came with $400 unit... |
| 22:41:08 | PsycoXul | food, bbl |
| 22:41:16 | Jet8810 | heh OK |
| 22:41:40 | Jet8810 | when its $400 for a color screen, video and picture viewing, a CF and SM module along with cables to hook up to a TV and a 20gb hard drive you are very tempted...letr me tell you |
| 22:45:47 | tracktheripper | but the batteries are the MMs Achille's heel |
| 22:45:57 | | Join tester1 [0] (jirc@pD9E1DD97.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:46:11 | Jet8810 | track, hmm...I dont know that |
| 22:46:12 | Jet8810 | but so I hear |
| 22:47:07 | tracktheripper | what is the camera module like? |
| 22:47:27 | | Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 22:47:35 | tester1 | sorry - just one little question. how can i print to the console window from within uisimulator? i want to use that for testing |
| 22:47:39 | tracktheripper | yay! |
| 22:47:41 | tracktheripper | the king is here |
| 22:47:41 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 22:48:12 | LinusN | DEBUGF |
| 22:48:12 | LinusN | DEBUGF("My variable: %d", var); |
| 22:48:18 | LinusN | where, where? |
| 22:49:05 | LinusN | Stevie[FP]: Xing header info: http://www.xingtech.com/developer/mp3/ |
| 22:49:20 | tester1 | oh - thank you. i will try that |
| 22:53:09 | Jet8810 | track, he never got the camera one |
| 22:53:14 | Jet8810 | for $400 you only get CF and SM ones |
| 22:53:27 | Jet8810 | hey Linus~ |
| 22:53:47 | | Quit [keno] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 22:55:52 | tracktheripper | wheres Linus? |
| 22:56:17 | Jet8810 | hes in here |
| 22:56:17 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 22:56:36 | tracktheripper | think hes asleep though |
| 22:58:44 | tester1 | sorry - must ask again. debugf doesnt work. i added debugf`s to tree.c - but nothing happens in the console window |
| 22:59:47 | LinusN | tester1: windows or linux? |
| 22:59:53 | tester1 | windoofs :) |
| 22:59:59 | LinusN | o, never tried that |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:28 | tester1 | mhh - maybe nobody tried that? :D |
| 23:00:39 | | Nick tester1 is now known as devZer0 (jirc@pD9E1DD97.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:00:44 | devZer0 | hello :) |
| 23:00:45 | hardeep | tester1: are you using the win32 simulator or the x11 simulator with cygwin? |
| 23:01:04 | devZer0 | i`m using win32 sim with cygwin |
| 23:03:22 | hardeep | win32 simulator debug info sent to the debugger if you're running it |
| 23:03:44 | devZer0 | you mean, i must use gdb for that? |
| 23:04:11 | devZer0 | sorry - but never used that tool. im not an advanced c programmer |
| 23:05:20 | devZer0 | i wonder, that the simulator-app cannot print to the console directly. this must be a missing feature ;) |
| 23:05:44 | LinusN | devZer0: absolutely |
| 23:05:52 | LinusN | the x11 version prints to the console |
| 23:06:46 | hardeep | devZero: edit debug-win32.c:debug() and change it to a printf |
| 23:07:29 | devZer0 | ok - i will look at that |
| 23:09:51 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [(Auto-Away after 1hr 1sec)] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
| 23:10:06 | | Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (jirc@p50861C6B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:10:19 | devZer0 | ahhhh. half the way.... |
| 23:10:27 | [IDC]Dragon | Good evening! |
| 23:10:42 | hardeep | LinusN: do we have some way of getting a frame count while we're recording? |
| 23:11:52 | LinusN | hardeep: yes, there is a frame counter in the MAS |
| 23:11:58 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: hi |
| 23:12:29 | LinusN | hardeep: but the counter is only 20 bits, and it doesn't wrap |
| 23:12:37 | hardeep | LinusN: hmmm... in that case, couldn't we write out the Xing header as soon as the recording is done instead of doing a vbrfix after? |
| 23:12:54 | LinusN | hardeep: we do write the xing header if the counter is valid |
| 23:12:57 | hardeep | LinusN: oh, blah, doesn't wrap |
| 23:13:20 | LinusN | if it is 0xfffff, we don't include the frame count in the xing header |
| 23:13:50 | LinusN | that was the "3 hour" bug a while ago |
| 23:14:04 | tracktheripper | hi Dragon |
| 23:14:12 | LinusN | "time stops at 3:42:00" |
| 23:14:16 | LinusN | or something |
| 23:14:21 | Jet8810 | hey Linus...hav eyou used the Archos Multimedia yet? |
| 23:14:39 | LinusN | Jet8810: i saw one on a picture once |
| 23:14:43 | hardeep | yeah, i was just thinking of some way we could write the TOC on the fly without vbrfix... (re: all the messages recently) |
| 23:14:44 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 23:14:54 | Jet8810 | my brother got one, it is really nice actually, but no rockbox |
| 23:14:55 | Jet8810 | ;) |
| 23:15:05 | LinusN | hardeep: like i said, we do that if the file is shorter than 3 hours |
| 23:15:27 | hardeep | yeah |
| 23:15:59 | LinusN | but there may be a bug there somewhere, because the original poster said something about negative file times |
| 23:16:05 | * | Stevie[FP] is back from [(Auto-Away after 1hr 1sec)] [gone 6mins 14secs] [KS] |
| 23:16:07 | Stevie[FP] | hey Linus |
| 23:16:10 | LinusN | yo |
| 23:16:17 | [IDC]Dragon | Does anybody know how many chars the old player allows for a line in the debug menu? (I exceeded that) |
| 23:16:21 | Stevie[FP] | where did you find your info on the xing header? |
| 23:16:37 | LinusN | scroll back in your IRc window |
| 23:17:32 | tracktheripper | inus |
| 23:17:43 | tracktheripper | linus is there a maximum number of characters an ID3 tag can have? |
| 23:17:49 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
| 23:17:59 | Stevie[FP] | let's see, at a SR of 44.1 |
| 23:18:12 | Stevie[FP] | layer III is 1152 samples per frame |
| 23:18:14 | LinusN | tracktheripper: i think it maxes out at 28 bits |
| 23:18:21 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 23:18:30 | Stevie[FP] | or 26.122449ms per frame |
| 23:18:32 | tracktheripper | the archos firmware wont display all characters in long ID3 tags |
| 23:19:03 | tracktheripper | for some reason |
| 23:19:05 | LinusN | tracktheripper: id3v1 has a max length of 32 chars or so |
| 23:19:34 | LinusN | we truncate is the sum of the frames we parse exceeds 300 bytes |
| 23:19:35 | tracktheripper | Linus u know those cables that have the 3.5mm plug at BOTH ends? |
| 23:19:40 | LinusN | s/is/if/ |
| 23:19:49 | LinusN | yes? |
| 23:20:19 | tracktheripper | could u make large MP3s smaller by using a said cable to connect the EAR OUT and LINE IN ports together? |
| 23:20:43 | * | Stevie[FP] blinks |
| 23:20:58 | Stevie[FP] | why does the thought of that not make me particularly happy? |
| 23:21:03 | LinusN | tracktheripper: no |
| 23:21:18 | LinusN | Stevie[FP]: thought of what? |
| 23:22:14 | LinusN | tracktheripper: the jukebox can't play and record at the same time |
| 23:22:22 | tracktheripper | ohhh |
| 23:22:23 | tracktheripper | :-( |
| 23:22:24 | Stevie[FP] | trying to re-encode an mp3 that way |
| 23:22:30 | Stevie[FP] | :-o |
| 23:22:33 | Stevie[FP] | it's just so... wrong |
| 23:22:41 | LinusN | Stevie[FP]: agreed |
| 23:22:47 | tracktheripper | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 23:23:03 | tracktheripper | well i wont put that in sourceforge then |
| 23:23:03 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 23:23:09 | Stevie[FP] | load it up onto your pc |
| 23:23:18 | Stevie[FP] | use Winamp or something to decode to WAV |
| 23:23:20 | LinusN | sourceforge is the way, actually |
| 23:23:22 | Stevie[FP] | then use LAME witha lower bitrate |
| 23:23:28 | tracktheripper | i use Music Match |
| 23:23:33 | tracktheripper | with its fraunhofer codec |
| 23:23:42 | Stevie[FP] | and I use whatever I feel like using at the time |
| 23:23:49 | Stevie[FP] | with bladeenc or LAME :P |
| 23:23:50 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 23:23:56 | tracktheripper | blade is useless |
| 23:23:59 | tracktheripper | ive used blade |
| 23:24:01 | tracktheripper | it sounds crap |
| 23:24:07 | Stevie[FP] | blade isn't useless |
| 23:24:10 | Stevie[FP] | blade is slow |
| 23:24:13 | tracktheripper | :-| |
| 23:24:15 | Stevie[FP] | if you want useless |
| 23:24:16 | LinusN | (here we go again) |
| 23:24:22 | Stevie[FP] | you need to try Audiocatalyst |
| 23:24:46 | * | LinusN fears an Encoder Flame War |
| 23:24:48 | Stevie[FP] | the who-cares-what-it-sounds-like-as-long-as-its-fast ripper and encoder! |
| 23:24:52 | tracktheripper | well ill use the LinusN codec :-) |
| 23:25:03 | Stevie[FP] | naw, i'm not in the mood for a religious war atm |
| 23:25:15 | Stevie[FP] | since it doesn't affect me one way or the other what anybody else uses |
| 23:25:50 | Stevie[FP] | if I want a religious war I'll go to the linux-kernel list and say something about how IDE is better/worse than SCSI |
| 23:26:01 | LinusN | lol |
| 23:26:01 | Stevie[FP] | ;) |
| 23:26:05 | tracktheripper | heehee |
| 23:26:08 | Stevie[FP] | all I need to do is ask |
| 23:26:12 | tracktheripper | >:D< |
| 23:26:14 | Stevie[FP] | why my IDE drives run so slow |
| 23:26:26 | Stevie[FP] | I don't even need to troll very hard |
| 23:26:52 | LinusN | or just ask "Why don't you use C++" in the rockbox list :-) |
| 23:27:01 | tracktheripper | LinusN? |
| 23:28:14 | Stevie[FP] | lmao |
| 23:28:20 | Stevie[FP] | did anyone even do a g++ SH1 port? |
| 23:28:37 | LinusN | i never managed to compile it |
| 23:28:49 | Stevie[FP] | haha |
| 23:28:56 | tracktheripper | "hardware mod" put a 3:0Ghz pentium processor in the archos |
| 23:28:57 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 23:29:06 | * | Stevie[FP] smax tracktheripper |
| 23:29:13 | Stevie[FP] | if anything... athlon. |
| 23:29:28 | LinusN | actually, i had long going plans of exchanging the CPU board of the Jukebox |
| 23:29:43 | LinusN | for the fun of ti |
| 23:29:45 | LinusN | it |
| 23:29:46 | Stevie[FP] | lol |
| 23:29:51 | Stevie[FP] | finally, ogg support! |
| 23:29:54 | Stevie[FP] | *g* |
| 23:29:56 | tracktheripper | ouch |
| 23:30:02 | tracktheripper | or even atrac3 soupport |
| 23:30:10 | Stevie[FP] | which chip are we annoyed at Archos for not telling us how to use? |
| 23:30:21 | Stevie[FP] | ac3 support? |
| 23:30:23 | Stevie[FP] | great idea |
| 23:30:26 | LinusN | Stevie[FP]: it's not Archos, it's Micronas |
| 23:30:39 | Stevie[FP] | ive always needed 5-channel sound for my headphones |
| 23:30:47 | LinusN | the documentation on how to reprogram the MAS |
| 23:30:50 | tracktheripper | email micronas then! |
| 23:30:51 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 23:30:52 | tracktheripper | brb |
| 23:30:57 | LinusN | tracktheripper: i have |
| 23:31:06 | Stevie[FP] | what dorks |
| 23:31:16 | LinusN | "trade secrets" |
| 23:31:25 | Stevie[FP] | bah |
| 23:31:27 | LinusN | you must sign an NDA |
| 23:31:34 | Stevie[FP] | how do we know it's programmable? |
| 23:31:42 | LinusN | they say so in the docs |
| 23:31:46 | Stevie[FP] | which docs? |
| 23:31:52 | LinusN | and the MAS 3507 has been reprogrammed |
| 23:32:00 | _aLF | :-)))))) |
| 23:32:12 | LinusN | the data sheets tell how to download code and run it |
| 23:32:26 | Stevie[FP] | that sounds useful |
| 23:32:33 | LinusN | cool indeed |
| 23:32:41 | [IDC]Dragon | but it only has 4 kB of memory for extra code, right? |
| 23:32:43 | Stevie[FP] | i sense a 'but' |
| 23:32:43 | LinusN | the MAS3507 has been made to timestretch |
| 23:33:02 | Stevie[FP] | ? |
| 23:33:31 | tracktheripper | yay!! |
| 23:33:37 | Stevie[FP] | okay |
| 23:33:38 | tracktheripper | so when are we getting timestreching?! |
| 23:33:38 | LinusN | the opcodes and stuff are secret |
| 23:33:46 | Stevie[FP] | who has made it to timestrech? |
| 23:33:51 | Stevie[FP] | timestretch even |
| 23:34:21 | Stevie[FP] | which I'm guessing that the 'timestretch' is actually adjusting the samplerate used to play the mp3 |
| 23:34:47 | tracktheripper | stevie timestretching is changing playback speed WITHOUT altering pitch |
| 23:34:53 | * | Stevie[FP] blinks |
| 23:34:57 | Stevie[FP] | whoah |
| 23:35:02 | LinusN | Stevie[FP]: no, it slows the tempo without changing the pitch |
| 23:35:11 | LinusN | http://www.m3po.net/_eng/index_eng.html |
| 23:35:13 | Stevie[FP] | who the hell pulled that one off? |
| 23:35:46 | tracktheripper | if it can pitch shift then it can timestretch |
| 23:35:51 | LinusN | the hw is very similar to the jukebox |
| 23:36:04 | Stevie[FP] | okay |
| 23:36:05 | LinusN | tracktheripper: don't get me started again |
| 23:36:06 | Stevie[FP] | same MAS? |
| 23:36:08 | adi|home | linus.. i got your email... |
| 23:36:10 | tracktheripper | after all, all u are doing in timestretch is keeping the pitch same |
| 23:36:11 | adi|home | im digging into it now |
| 23:36:19 | LinusN | tracktheripper: "all you are doing" |
| 23:36:30 | adi|home | and i relized last night that i sent it to linux :) |
| 23:36:33 | tracktheripper | yes |
| 23:36:34 | adi|home | but you werent around |
| 23:36:41 | Stevie[FP] | all you are doing is probably just a few fourier tansforms |
| 23:36:52 | Stevie[FP] | and a large amount of other complex math |
| 23:36:55 | LinusN | tracktheripper: i have spent so much time trying to explain this to you |
| 23:37:12 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 23:37:14 | tracktheripper | sorry |
| 23:37:27 | Stevie[FP] | ok, so this mp3 player has the same MAS chip? |
| 23:37:33 | LinusN | yes MAS3507 |
| 23:37:41 | tracktheripper | which one linusN |
| 23:37:45 | tracktheripper | has the same chip as the archos |
| 23:37:48 | LinusN | http://www.m3po.net/_eng/details_daten.html |
| 23:37:54 | Stevie[FP] | and it claims the ability to timeshift? |
| 23:38:15 | LinusN | http://www.m3po.net/_eng/details_features.html |
| 23:38:24 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 23:38:24 | Stevie[FP] | how certain are we that it exploits the MAS capabilities to do this? |
| 23:38:27 | LinusN | "Variable playback speed possible without affecting pitch" |
| 23:38:42 | LinusN | pretty certain |
| 23:38:45 | Stevie[FP] | okay |
| 23:38:53 | Stevie[FP] | none of us would happen to have one of these things? |
| 23:38:55 | PsycoXul | does it have firmware you can reverse engineer to get the MAS programming info? |
| 23:39:00 | Stevie[FP] | if we could extract the f |
| 23:39:04 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, what PsycoXul is saying |
| 23:39:12 | LinusN | ok, they could have put a DSP between the MAS and the DAC, but i doubt it |
| 23:39:16 | tracktheripper | can it be programmed to play WMA? |
| 23:39:22 | LinusN | PsycoXul: yes |
| 23:40:18 | Stevie[FP] | would anybody we know would happen to *have* any of this firmware? |
| 23:40:59 | LinusN | http://www.m3po.de/download/m3poos212.exe |
| 23:41:13 | LinusN | it is not scrambled |
| 23:41:14 | _aLF | LinusN> is there a problem with NDA and rockbox license ? |
| 23:41:16 | LinusN | go ahead |
| 23:41:22 | LinusN | _aLF: yes |
| 23:41:33 | LinusN | we want it to be open source |
| 23:41:52 | * | Stevie[FP] goes to work at Micronas, steals all the info, and quits |
| 23:42:03 | Stevie[FP] | is anyone working on deciphering this thing? |
| 23:42:14 | LinusN | i looked at it once, just for the fun of it |
| 23:42:24 | LinusN | but i didn't dig into the MAS thing |
| 23:42:32 | Stevie[FP] | theres 3 .bin files |
| 23:42:58 | LinusN | Stevie[FP]: you are very welcome to give it a try |
| 23:45:00 | adi|home | linus... can i get you opinion on a couple things? |
| 23:45:12 | LinusN | adi|home: sure |
| 23:45:19 | adi|home | k.. first off.. deleting... |
| 23:45:33 | adi|home | right now there is no (on recorder) desc of what key does what. |
| 23:45:41 | adi|home | any prob if i fix that (after sokoban is in) |
| 23:45:54 | LinusN | adi|home: you mean a f-key bar? |
| 23:46:05 | adi|home | no.. |
| 23:46:11 | adi|home | when you do "on-play" |
| 23:46:14 | adi|home | and choose delete |
| 23:46:24 | adi|home | a new user won't know what key does what |
| 23:46:33 | adi|home | for the confirmation |
| 23:46:38 | adi|home | play=yes etc |
| 23:46:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:49:55 | _aLF | LinusN> is it possible in first time (shouldn't be last) to give codec in binary format ? |
| 23:50:09 | adi|home | other thing with delete.. shouldn't we have the ability to delete a dir? |
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| 23:56:48 | Yeft | hi |
| 23:57:16 | Stevie[FP] | hi |
| 23:58:04 | Stevie[FP] | meh |
| 23:58:27 | Yeft | i have a question |
| 23:58:39 | Stevie[FP] | i have an answer |
| 23:58:49 | Stevie[FP] | with any luck, my answer might go well with your question |
| 23:58:58 | Yeft | when i load the renamed archos.mod file to my jukebox6000 it thinks that it is a music file (on my comp) and then does nothing in the player |
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