00:01:35 | Stevie[FP] | I only see one place where ROM is read from |
00:01:47 | Stevie[FP] | and that's 0x020000fc or some such place |
00:02:17 | LinusN | Stevie[FP]: that's the one |
00:02:18 | [IDC]Dragon | that is the hardware mask (and version following that) |
00:02:55 | Hes | The archos engineers should have great fun reading the irc logs. |
00:03:20 | [IDC]Dragon | Probably they get grey hair right now. |
00:03:51 | [IDC]Dragon | With me potentially generating hundreds of service claims ;-) |
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00:06:15 | [IDC]Dragon | Linus, do you know anything about the set of mask values? (repeating myself) |
00:06:58 | LinusN | i know some, yes |
00:07:27 | [IDC]Dragon | Would you tell me (please)? |
00:07:32 | LinusN | i don't think it is a mask after all |
00:07:41 | [IDC]Dragon | anyway. |
00:08:03 | LinusN | i think it is two bytes with the version number of the two boards |
00:08:38 | LinusN | i have gathered some data from quite a few users |
00:08:53 | [IDC]Dragon | are those different for Player/Recorder/FM as the main branches? |
00:09:13 | [IDC]Dragon | Can you email me that? |
00:10:07 | LinusN | they are different, yes (i have no data for the fm though) |
00:10:38 | [IDC]Dragon | I can ask somebody with an FM. |
00:11:08 | Stevie[FP] | you want data for the fm? |
00:11:36 | [IDC]Dragon | Yo got one? What does it say for hardware mask? |
00:11:48 | LinusN | my fm is the only one with 0x0304 |
00:11:55 | LinusN | (in my survey) |
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00:12:21 | Stevie-O | (pc=0x09009350) > r b 0x020000fc |
00:12:21 | Stevie-O | (0x020000FC)=0x05 |
00:12:31 | Stevie-O | anything else ye desire? |
00:13:10 | LinusN | a beer? |
00:13:12 | Stevie-O | that's from one with 1.30j on the fw |
00:13:30 | Stevie-O | sorry, no tap emulation yet |
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00:14:37 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: see hwcompat.[ch] |
00:17:31 | [IDC]Dragon | That tells me how it's read. but not which values are out in the field, right? |
00:19:08 | LinusN | that tells how we use the hw mask to adapt to the different hw versions |
00:20:59 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, currently USB and MAS polarity, all on the same bit. |
00:21:08 | LinusN | yes |
00:21:20 | LinusN | and ATA address |
00:21:59 | [IDC]Dragon | That's defined, but I don't see it being used. |
00:22:23 | LinusN | no, we don't use it |
00:22:34 | LinusN | we autodetect that |
00:22:54 | LinusN | the hw mask survey was done long after we wrote the ata autodetection |
00:22:55 | [IDC]Dragon | Sounds better! |
00:23:25 | [IDC]Dragon | Can I get the results of that survey, please? |
00:23:45 | LinusN | it's in my pda, and i can't sync in linux (yet) |
00:24:07 | [IDC]Dragon | Any time, not now. I appreciate it. |
00:24:54 | LinusN | sure |
00:25:02 | [IDC]Dragon | Thanks! |
00:25:58 | [IDC]Dragon | Tomorrow I'll try downloading Rockbox via my UART monitor. I'm curious if that will run. |
00:26:22 | [IDC]Dragon | Question of enough initializations. |
00:26:57 | Stevie[FP] | well |
00:27:06 | Stevie[FP] | do you want to know what it initializes? |
00:27:14 | Stevie[FP] | ;) |
00:27:17 | [IDC]Dragon | If it runs, the way is clear for flashing. If not, it will be difficult to debug. |
00:27:39 | Stevie[FP] | hmm, indeed |
00:27:57 | Stevie[FP] | do you have a way to reflash the original FW if it doesn't work? |
00:28:30 | [IDC]Dragon | Currently, I don't need to flash, just load it into DRAM. |
00:28:40 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
00:28:42 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
00:28:47 | Stevie[FP] | well |
00:28:48 | Stevie[FP] | I gotta run |
00:28:53 | Stevie[FP] | cya l8r |
00:29:00 | [IDC]Dragon | But yes, I could reflash (if that damn chip arrives) |
00:31:29 | [IDC]Dragon | Folks, I'd like to go to bed, see you later! |
00:31:35 | LinusN | cu |
00:31:57 | [IDC]Dragon | (And thanks for all) |
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00:42:45 | ^gizz^ | hi all |
00:42:53 | LinusN | 'ello |
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00:46:18 | ^gizz^ | linus, I have a hardware question for you :-) |
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00:47:13 | ^gizz^ | do you think it would be feasible/not to hard to wire a second hdd on the archos ATA bus ? |
00:47:57 | LinusN | it would be a lot of work |
00:48:14 | ^gizz^ | not worth the result you mean ? |
00:49:06 | LinusN | i mean that it would require a hw mod, and some ATA driver hacking |
00:49:20 | ^gizz^ | hmm |
00:50:07 | ^gizz^ | recently I saw the prices of standalone hdd for CF backup, and they were so high I got this idea.. |
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00:50:38 | LinusN | the current ata driver expects only one hs on the bus |
00:50:43 | LinusN | hd |
00:50:47 | ^gizz^ | linus : for you, what would be the hardest ? hw or driver mod ? |
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00:51:01 | LinusN | driver |
00:51:05 | ^gizz^ | argh |
00:51:30 | LinusN | i'm not sure that the originsl firmware can handle it either |
00:51:37 | ^gizz^ | sure |
00:51:45 | LinusN | i guess they autodetect as well |
00:51:55 | LinusN | so the second drive will confuse them |
00:52:15 | ^gizz^ | btw : |
00:52:33 | ^gizz^ | what if I put two FAT32 parts on my rockbox, |
00:52:39 | ^gizz^ | with files on both |
00:52:45 | ^gizz^ | what about the fs root ? |
00:52:55 | ^gizz^ | (for rockbox of coure) |
00:52:57 | ^gizz^ | course |
00:53:10 | LinusN | the second partition will be ignored |
00:53:14 | ^gizz^ | ok |
00:53:23 | ^gizz^ | just listed in the hw menu right ? |
00:53:28 | LinusN | yup |
00:53:32 | ^gizz^ | => |
00:54:08 | ^gizz^ | I imagined that if it could handle both, it could be feasible to mod rockbox to handle two drives :-/ |
00:55:47 | LinusN | it's not the FAT driver that is the proble, it's the ATA driver |
00:56:22 | ^gizz^ | last question about that crap : if you decided to do this mod yourself, what time would it take to do it ? (rough approx) −− because if I try to do it, I've got to get it to work before 12. julyy :-/ |
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00:57:20 | tracktheripper | does anyone have issues with SOKOBAN? |
00:57:21 | ^gizz^ | ata : you mean that hw speaking, there is no problem connecting two disks, but the sw (driver) is not aware at all ? |
00:58:37 | LinusN | i guess so |
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01:02:14 | ^gizz^ | ok, g'night everyone ! thx linus ! |
01:02:54 | LinusN | nite ^gizz^ |
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01:39:30 | * | Stevie-O yawns |
01:39:45 | LinusN | tired? |
01:42:06 | Stevie-O | yeah |
01:42:27 | Stevie-O | I'm certain I'm doing something wrong with ATA emulation |
01:42:47 | LinusN | me too :-) |
01:43:06 | Stevie-O | I wasn't aware you were emulating an ATA device :P |
01:43:22 | Stevie-O | I get a whole crapload of ATA resets on startup |
01:45:27 | BoD[] | [freenode] -lilo(levin@lilo.staff.freenode)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing severe attacks and we'll be shutting down the network piece by piece. Thanks. |
01:46:16 | ricII | euh |
01:46:50 | Stevie-O | yuck |
01:48:25 | ricII | shuting down the network |
01:48:26 | LinusN | Stevie-O: i'm very sure that the archos firmware probes the ata for master/slave |
01:53:15 | ricII | hmm irc.freenode points to 127.0.0.1... |
01:53:42 | Stevie-O | LinusN: but it's doing a LOT of resets |
01:59:05 | LinusN | oh |
01:59:30 | LinusN | maybe it times out or something? |
02:00 |
02:00:15 | Stevie-O | not likely, since my emulator reacts instantly as far as the program can tell |
02:00:51 | Stevie-O | oh well |
02:01:21 | LinusN | but how does the firmware detect the timeout? |
02:01:26 | LinusN | timer interrupt? |
02:01:41 | Stevie-O | hmm |
02:01:45 | Stevie-O | not sure |
02:02:10 | Stevie-O | but then |
02:02:15 | Stevie-O | the firmware is REALLY braindead |
02:02:21 | LinusN | haha |
02:02:21 | Stevie-O | it does like 20 consecutive reads of the status register |
02:02:26 | Stevie-O | it doesn't do anything with the value |
02:02:28 | Stevie-O | it just reads it |
02:02:54 | Stevie-O | 0x0901C424: 0x6210 read_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=Status2) = 0x40mov.b @r1, r2; (0x06000206) = 0x40 |
02:02:55 | Stevie-O | 0x0901C426: 0x6210 read_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=Status2) = 0x40mov.b @r1, r2; (0x06000206) = 0x40 |
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02:02:55 | Stevie-O | 0x0901C428: 0x6210 read_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=Status2) = 0x40mov.b @r1, r2; (0x06000206) = 0x40 |
02:03:04 | LinusN | yeah i have seen that |
02:03:35 | LinusN | i still wonder why on earth it does that |
02:03:42 | Stevie-O | oh |
02:03:45 | Stevie-O | I had a theory |
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02:04:01 | Stevie-O | the original Player firmware has background noise |
02:04:13 | Stevie-O | during quiet portions of mp3s |
02:04:13 | Stevie-O | right? |
02:04:50 | LinusN | i believe it is the recorder, but yes |
02:05:10 | LinusN | and i'm pretty sure it's the i2c that does it |
02:06:48 | Stevie-O | but it supposedly doesn't happen under Rockbox? |
02:07:12 | LinusN | because the rockbox i2c implementation is a lot faster, thus higher in frequency |
02:07:35 | Stevie-O | i2c is used to transfer the commands |
02:07:50 | Stevie-O | but I thought the data was transferred through some other method |
02:07:53 | LinusN | and to read the RTC |
02:08:08 | LinusN | the archos firmware reads the rtc a lot |
02:08:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
02:08:44 | * | Stevie-O notes that the archos firmware is krap |
02:08:46 | LinusN | and it reads the peak meter from the MAS frequently |
02:09:56 | Stevie-O | What if they had a bug in their bitswap routine? |
02:10:00 | Stevie-O | an off-by-one sort of thing |
02:10:33 | LinusN | if the bitswap fails, the sound output would be muted |
02:10:51 | Stevie-O | I don't know |
02:10:57 | Stevie-O | if it was an off-by-one |
02:11:07 | LinusN | the CRC check would fail |
02:11:07 | Stevie-O | *most* of the mp3 data would be valid |
02:11:23 | LinusN | and the entire frame would be discarded |
02:11:25 | Stevie-O | the mp3 data itself has a crc check? |
02:11:34 | LinusN | yes, optionally |
02:12:09 | Stevie-O | I thought that was just the frame data |
02:12:37 | Stevie-O | oh well, I don't know crap |
02:12:50 | LinusN | yes, ecah frame has a CRC |
02:12:51 | LinusN | each |
02:13:13 | LinusN | and the CRC is calculated from the entire frame contents |
02:14:28 | Stevie-O | mkay |
02:14:32 | Stevie-O | well it was just a theory :P |
02:16:46 | LinusN | what does it do before the ATA reset? |
02:18:11 | Stevie-O | hm |
02:18:30 | Stevie-O | probes the proper address |
02:18:40 | Stevie-O | at least I'm assuing that that's what it's probing |
02:18:46 | Stevie-O | write_ata({0x06000102} sel: 1, 0x00a: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x02 R=SCount, 0x55) |
02:18:48 | Stevie-O | write_ata({0x06000103} sel: 1, 0x00b: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x03 R=Sector, 0xaa) |
02:18:56 | Stevie-O | read_ata({0x06000102} sel: 1, 0x00a: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x02 R=SCount) = 0x55 |
02:18:56 | Stevie-O | read_ata({0x06000103} sel: 1, 0x00b: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x03 R=Sector) = 0xaa |
02:19:13 | Stevie-O | right before that it access the RTC |
02:19:54 | Stevie-O | writes the alarm date |
02:20:09 | Stevie-O | (I guess that's to turn off any 'wakeup alarm' already scheduled) |
02:21:40 | Stevie-O | oic |
02:23:31 | Stevie-O | 0x40 => SQWE (Square Wave Enable) |
02:24:32 | LinusN | that is the backlight |
02:26:58 | Stevie-O | yeah |
02:27:03 | Stevie-O | then it writes 0x10 to the RTC register 'SQW' which sets a 32768 Hz square wave output |
02:27:14 | Stevie-O | which I assume is the closest thing to solid ON that they have |
02:27:21 | LinusN | yup |
02:27:26 | Stevie-O | I wonder |
02:27:31 | Stevie-O | if we set it to 16384Hz |
02:28:29 | Stevie-O | I wonder |
02:29:05 | Stevie-O | would the blacklight use half as much power? |
02:29:32 | LinusN | i guess not, since the duty cycle is still 50% |
02:29:50 | Stevie-O | hmm |
02:29:55 | Stevie-O | true |
02:29:57 | LinusN | it will just flicker more |
02:30:14 | Stevie-O | ok |
02:30:27 | Stevie-O | so just before doing the ATA stuff |
02:30:30 | Stevie-O | it turns on the backlight |
02:30:57 | Stevie-O | I hate serial interfaces :P |
02:31:15 | LinusN | long log, eh? |
02:31:27 | Stevie-O | actually I have code to limit that output |
02:31:36 | Stevie-O | it's the fact that they take so damn long to emulate |
02:31:45 | LinusN | so it probes, and then what? |
02:31:47 | Stevie-O | read memory: 1 instruction to emulate |
02:31:51 | Stevie-O | oh |
02:32:01 | Stevie-O | write_ata({0x06000106} sel: 1, 0x00e: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x06 R=Dev/Head, 0xa0) |
02:32:01 | Stevie-O | DEV/HEAD: select device 0 |
02:32:01 | Stevie-O | write_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=DevCtrl, 0x0c) |
02:32:01 | Stevie-O | Device Control Register: SRST=1 nIER=0 |
02:32:01 | Stevie-O | ATA reset start... |
02:32:27 | Stevie-O | then it reads the alternate status register 24 times (throwing away the value) |
02:32:48 | LinusN | ok |
02:33:00 | Stevie-O | or maybe it pays attention the 24th time |
02:33:03 | Stevie-O | anyway |
02:33:03 | Stevie-O | write_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=DevCtrl, 0x08) |
02:33:03 | Stevie-O | Device Control Register: SRST=0 nIER=0 |
02:33:09 | Stevie-O | then it turns off the reset |
02:34:34 | Stevie-O | then 24 more useless reads of the alternate status register... |
02:34:34 | LinusN | and then? |
02:34:51 | Stevie-O | then another reset |
02:35:14 | LinusN | what do you return on the alt_status reads, then? |
02:36:32 | Stevie-O | here |
02:36:32 | Stevie-O | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/jbremu_ata.log.bz2 |
02:37:14 | Stevie-O | circa line 708 |
02:43:29 | LinusN | hmmm |
02:46:02 | LinusN | it's strange that it resets tha ata that many times, but it does seem to continue after that |
02:46:29 | Stevie-O | yeah |
02:46:38 | Stevie-O | hmmm |
02:46:42 | * | Stevie-O posits a theory |
02:46:47 | Stevie-O | they didn't get it right the first time |
02:46:57 | Stevie-O | the only way they could pull it off was to reset a whole buncha times |
02:47:23 | Stevie-O | and they never bothered to figure out what they were doing wrong |
02:48:11 | LinusN | still, it resets, does a few IDENTIFY and READ_MULTIPLE, and then goes back to the reset stage again |
02:48:11 | Stevie-O | the Windows and BIOS way: it works, just leave it |
02:49:23 | Stevie-O | yup. |
02:49:43 | LinusN | gotta sleep now |
02:49:48 | Stevie-O | ok |
02:49:50 | Stevie-O | cya l8r |
02:49:55 | LinusN | cu tomorrow |
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05:28:01 | earHurts | anybody here understand electricy? |
05:33:15 | thu | no |
05:33:30 | thu | you plug one end of the cable into the socket |
05:33:32 | earHurts | what about formatting disks? |
05:33:34 | thu | the other end into the archos |
05:33:42 | thu | what about it? |
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05:34:21 | earHurts | windows wants to "write a signature" to my new disk. |
05:34:32 | earHurts | what's that? |
05:34:33 | thu | uhm |
05:34:34 | thu | no idea |
05:34:55 | thu | it's been years since i did more than a format c: \u |
05:35:30 | earHurts | me too |
05:36:52 | earHurts | windows can't seem toi use a disk unless a signature is written. |
05:37:28 | PsycoXul | 11574.0740740741/365 |
05:37:35 | PsycoXul | er doh |
05:38:28 | earHurts | know about electricty, psyco? |
05:38:54 | PsycoXul | voltage is pressure, amps is current |
05:39:06 | earHurts | great. |
05:39:26 | earHurts | you familiar with the mechanical design of the fm recorder? |
05:39:44 | PsycoXul | well it's got buttons and a harddrive |
05:40:09 | earHurts | great. |
05:40:42 | earHurts | okay, it's got a battery. the battery top is metal under plastic. |
05:41:03 | earHurts | the metal contacts, among other things, the outer case. |
05:41:15 | earHurts | why is this NOT a problem? |
05:41:49 | PsycoXul | why would it be? |
05:42:50 | earHurts | um, ok, why don't I get the current into me when I touch the case. |
05:43:02 | PsycoXul | because there's no voltage between you and the case? i dunno |
05:43:10 | earHurts | please don't tell me it,s the thin and disappearing veneer of paint |
05:43:57 | thu | earHurts: maybe they're considering a zapper module |
05:44:03 | thu | for self-defence |
05:44:06 | PsycoXul | heh |
05:45:21 | PsycoXul | you need an electromotive force, given by a difference of voltage, to produce a current |
05:45:25 | PsycoXul | i think |
05:45:55 | earHurts | yeah, I'm pretty ignorant about the subject |
05:46:03 | PsycoXul | and so the difference in voltage can be either something with an excess of electrons vs something with a diffiency, or it could also be an excess or defficiency vs. the ground state |
05:47:27 | PsycoXul | in the latter case, one of the contacts for the voltage difference is a ground, which is either litteraly connected to the earth, or is just the biggest conductor you can connect it to |
05:48:03 | PsycoXul | in an electric guitar the ground is provided by the player |
05:48:22 | PsycoXul | in many things it's provided by the casing, and sometimes whoever/whatever is holding the casing |
05:48:49 | PsycoXul | and there's probably lots wrong with all i just said, but i think it answers your question heh |
05:49:02 | earHurts | yeah, ok, so the electricty follows the path of least resistance to the opposite battery pole, and that's never me? |
05:49:34 | PsycoXul | heh |
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05:50:06 | PsycoXul | well you're only touching one pole |
05:50:11 | PsycoXul | you're not part of the circuit |
05:50:14 | earHurts | the question came up when I opened the archos |
05:50:24 | earHurts | I replaced the hdd |
05:50:55 | NHeal | calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
05:50:55 | NJoin | adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-11.216-194-24-173.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
05:50:55 | NJoin | dw|gone [20] (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) |
05:50:58 | earHurts | gave myself a shock, i think |
05:51:07 | PsycoXul | really? |
05:51:20 | PsycoXul | i didn't know there was enough voltage in these little things to shock |
05:51:21 | PsycoXul | heh |
05:51:47 | earHurts | not sure. tingle and a littlw burn in my left hand |
05:52:04 | earHurts | a little sore now, an hour later. |
05:52:21 | earHurts | might ahve been a spontaneous muscle spasm. |
05:52:46 | earHurts | the hdd has a plastic wrap on it. |
05:53:02 | earHurts | I replaced it without the wrap. |
05:53:26 | PsycoXul | *shrug* |
05:53:26 | earHurts | before i relized I should put the NEW drive in. heh |
05:53:38 | PsycoXul | heh |
05:54:52 | thu | what drive did you get? |
05:55:15 | earHurts | fujitsu 60. it's formtiing via usb now |
05:55:31 | thu | how much? |
05:55:39 | earHurts | $170 |
05:55:54 | thu | heh |
05:56:09 | thu | not a fortune but a lot more than an ide drive |
05:56:25 | earHurts | now if I've broken the arcos, it's $340 total |
05:56:38 | thu | if I wouldn't be expecting to crash/lose my archos I'd get one too |
05:56:46 | thu | did you zap your unit? |
05:57:13 | earHurts | of course, if the shock had given me another heart attack, the cost would have been more |
05:57:19 | earHurts | zap the unit? |
05:59:16 | thu | yeah |
05:59:39 | earHurts | what do you mean? |
05:59:56 | thu | how did you break your archos? |
06:00 |
06:00:58 | earHurts | I didn't. but in replacing the drive I bent the case and broke a solder point. |
06:02:01 | thu | oh I see |
06:02:32 | earHurts | but if it works, I have 55gb |
06:04:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
06:05:11 | thu | it will never be enough |
06:05:15 | thu | no matter how much space you have |
06:07:46 | earHurts | yeah. |
06:08:01 | earHurts | I another year I'll get a 120 |
06:08:23 | thu | are there 120G notebook drives? |
06:08:37 | earHurts | in another year there will be. |
06:09:05 | thu | true |
06:09:21 | thu | I'll probably replace this archos at some point |
06:09:25 | thu | because of the limited interface |
06:09:38 | thu | I almost crashed my car a few times trying to find a track |
06:09:51 | thu | actually I crashed it into the sidewalk once |
06:09:53 | earHurts | the ipods are twmpting, but I have faith in Rockbox |
06:10:04 | thu | rockbox rulez but the hardware is limited |
06:10:07 | thu | the display is too small |
06:10:11 | earHurts | I don't skateboard |
06:10:32 | earHurts | a bigger display would be excellent |
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06:40:14 | earHurts | stevie? |
06:45:17 | thu | he ain't here no more |
06:45:47 | earHurts | I though he was also OliverKlozoff. |
06:48:04 | * | OliverKlozoff wonders if anybody's said that out loud yet |
06:48:22 | earHurts | yeah, yeah, we get it |
06:48:43 | earHurts | know anything about electricty? |
06:49:03 | OliverKlozoff | electricity? |
06:49:08 | earHurts | yeah. |
06:49:14 | OliverKlozoff | population 1820 |
06:49:34 | earHurts | the archos batter connects tot the case. I'm wondering why that's ok. |
07:00 |
07:11:51 | OliverKlozoff | it's OK because archos doesn't care about their product? |
07:14:15 | earHurts | erm. |
07:14:38 | earHurts | w2k won't let me format a drive >32gb |
07:14:46 | OliverKlozoff | yes? |
07:14:53 | OliverKlozoff | that's documented somewhere |
07:15:12 | earHurts | yes, it's by freakibg design!! |
07:15:19 | OliverKlozoff | yes |
07:15:22 | earHurts | bill knows freaking best |
07:15:33 | OliverKlozoff | I'm uncertain as to what design they're referring to |
07:15:37 | OliverKlozoff | so use mkdosfs |
07:15:55 | earHurts | will that do fat32 |
07:15:58 | earHurts | ? |
07:16:01 | OliverKlozoff | ... yes |
07:16:05 | OliverKlozoff | use -F 32 |
07:16:09 | earHurts | not fat16 |
07:16:30 | earHurts | not in cygwin. |
07:16:41 | earHurts | is there a cygwin build? |
07:17:19 | OliverKlozoff | what do you mean not in cygwin? |
07:18:25 | earHurts | it's not in my cygwin path |
07:18:38 | earHurts | so I assume it doesn't exist |
07:19:08 | OliverKlozoff | ... |
07:19:15 | OliverKlozoff | you have to GET IT and COMPILE IT |
07:19:24 | earHurts | oh. |
07:19:26 | earHurts | right |
07:19:44 | earHurts | crap |
07:21:14 | OliverKlozoff | you know |
07:21:16 | OliverKlozoff | i swear |
07:21:21 | OliverKlozoff | these people are fucking worthless |
07:22:26 | earHurts | which? |
07:23:06 | earHurts | who? |
07:23:07 | OliverKlozoff | the people who have webpages mentioning that 'by design Windows 2000/XP won't format a drive over 32gb' |
07:23:21 | OliverKlozoff | instead of say, supplying a damn program that WILL |
07:25:09 | adi|home | i say .. thats their own fault for using windows ;) |
07:25:47 | earHurts | yeah, it's my own damn fault. |
07:25:50 | OliverKlozoff | ahem |
07:26:15 | earHurts | but by design. asses. |
07:26:50 | earHurts | I can't boot 98, it won't see the usb drive. |
07:26:52 | OliverKlozoff | i think you mean 'by brain damage' |
07:26:56 | OliverKlozoff | http://www.han.de/~jum/mkdosfs/ |
07:28:00 | OliverKlozoff | there ye go |
07:28:07 | earHurts | thank you oliver! |
07:28:17 | OliverKlozoff | yw. |
07:28:19 | earHurts | you google better than do I! |
07:28:35 | * | earHurts has 5 tabs open |
07:28:42 | earHurts | all googling |
07:30:39 | earHurts | the hell of it is, windoze went through the entire 55gb −− BEFORE it complained about the size. |
07:30:41 | OliverKlozoff | i've got practice |
07:30:48 | OliverKlozoff | HAHAHHAA |
07:30:51 | earHurts | the archos got really, really hot. |
07:30:52 | OliverKlozoff | you're kidding |
07:31:01 | earHurts | nope |
07:31:22 | OliverKlozoff | omfg |
07:31:24 | earHurts | took nearly an hour even with usb 2.0 hi speed |
07:31:26 | OliverKlozoff | you should email microsoft |
07:31:54 | earHurts | how do i attach a clue stick to email in outlook? |
07:32:01 | OliverKlozoff | im not sure |
07:32:31 | OliverKlozoff | I use Mozilla |
07:32:32 | earHurts | kidding |
07:32:50 | OliverKlozoff | ;) |
07:33:15 | OliverKlozoff | have you seen the latest screenshawts? |
07:36:01 | earHurts | of mozilla mail? |
07:36:33 | thu | mozilla is sloww |
07:36:46 | OliverKlozoff | lol, no |
07:36:49 | OliverKlozoff | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/revelation.jpg |
07:36:51 | earHurts | does it allow skins? I never like netscape mail's look |
07:37:08 | thu | mmm emulator |
07:38:01 | thu | eww windows though |
07:38:08 | earHurts | usb working? how do I attach a cable to the emu? ;) |
07:38:09 | thu | I want an emu for linux |
07:38:22 | OliverKlozoff | earHurts: actually that was usb not working |
07:38:27 | OliverKlozoff | it was stuck on 'on' mode |
07:38:30 | earHurts | i want stevie to make biaries available |
07:38:40 | earHurts | sweet, stevie |
07:38:43 | OliverKlozoff | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/fixedadc.jpg <- fixed ADC |
07:38:50 | earHurts | shit |
07:39:01 | earHurts | mkdosfs is done? |
07:39:06 | * | thu shudders at the windows interface |
07:39:13 | thu | how can you switch around all that mess? |
07:39:21 | earHurts | did it not physically write the disk? |
07:40:27 | OliverKlozoff | earHurts: your format was really going overkill |
07:40:27 | OliverKlozoff | thu: alt+tab |
07:40:32 | thu | how many times? :P |
07:40:37 | OliverKlozoff | a lot |
07:40:45 | earHurts | hehe. fixedadc is what I just saw for real |
07:40:52 | OliverKlozoff | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/charged.jpg |
07:41:06 | OliverKlozoff | wait |
07:41:13 | OliverKlozoff | you ran it and you got that message? |
07:41:18 | earHurts | Oliver, I think I missed your last transmission |
07:41:26 | OliverKlozoff | hmmm |
07:41:36 | earHurts | yeah. after I added the new disk |
07:41:41 | OliverKlozoff | I wonder if Z or Linus have ever really used it |
07:41:50 | OliverKlozoff | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/charged.jpg |
07:42:37 | OliverKlozoff | I wonder if mkdosfs has a bug |
07:42:41 | * | OliverKlozoff wouldn't be all that shocked |
07:43:46 | earHurts | windows sees the volume, with the right size, 55gb |
07:44:06 | earHurts | now we copy >20 gb to it. |
07:44:43 | OliverKlozoff | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/charging.jpg |
07:44:52 | OliverKlozoff | chkdsk? |
07:45:10 | earHurts | good idea |
07:45:33 | earHurts | then we reformat M: and Z: into a single drive. |
07:45:47 | earHurts | I just copied Z/*.* to I: |
07:45:57 | OliverKlozoff | mark and zibowski? |
07:46:02 | earHurts | I copy m: to archos |
07:46:10 | earHurts | music and zips |
07:46:34 | earHurts | then I have 40gb on the expanded M |
07:46:43 | earHurts | to 'mirror' the archos |
07:47:26 | OliverKlozoff | mk |
07:47:39 | earHurts | mk? |
07:47:44 | OliverKlozoff | mk |
07:47:58 | OliverKlozoff | I need the src to daemontools |
07:48:20 | earHurts | dunno what daemontools is |
07:48:32 | OliverKlozoff | that's OK, I do |
07:48:33 | OliverKlozoff | :P |
07:48:40 | earHurts | chkdsk says the new volume is RAW?? |
07:48:40 | OliverKlozoff | it involves my emulator |
07:49:43 | earHurts | so i thought |
07:51:36 | adi|home | i can't say i really get the point of an emulator for the archos.. but im just glad it makes ppl happy :) |
07:52:25 | earHurts | will make debugging easier |
07:52:36 | adi|home | shrugs |
07:52:50 | earHurts | will make testing faster, as no unmount required. |
07:53:04 | earHurts | I wants it, my preciousssss |
07:53:08 | adi|home | fair enough... |
07:53:22 | adi|home | hmmm.. i want opinions on somehting... |
07:53:33 | adi|home | the 'rename' action |
07:54:15 | adi|home | looking over the code.. i realized that if you rename a file to the exact same name, we spin the drive, rename it and spin down... |
07:54:27 | adi|home | that make much sense to anyone else... or am i being anal? |
07:54:47 | earHurts | it avoids extra code? |
07:55:17 | adi|home | hmm but costs you a drive spin up when not needed... |
07:55:17 | adi|home | shrgus |
07:55:21 | adi|home | i just wasn't sure how other os's handled it.. |
07:55:55 | earHurts | might be useful if reading the name is incorrect becuase it contains special characters? |
07:56:17 | earHurts | eg, (char)0? |
07:56:33 | adi|home | hmmm.. i guess. |
07:56:52 | adi|home | oh.. and . umm.. what do we think of actually being able to delete dirs |
07:56:58 | adi|home | and doing it recursivly |
07:57:12 | OliverKlozoff | i think |
07:57:14 | adi|home | having to delete 15 files when i wa sin the car the other day drove me nuts... i wanted to just delete the dir... |
07:57:16 | OliverKlozoff | that's what rm -rf is for |
07:57:27 | adi|home | heheh only if you are hooked up to a pc ;) |
07:57:44 | earHurts | we need recursive delete, I agree. |
07:58:15 | OliverKlozoff | well |
07:58:18 | OliverKlozoff | bring a laptop |
07:58:18 | adi|home | i would assume we make it redudantly question right? |
07:58:18 | OliverKlozoff | :) |
07:58:22 | earHurts | with a warning "This will delete directory foo, and all files and directories in foo" |
07:58:27 | adi|home | you buy me one i will. |
07:58:36 | OliverKlozoff | lol |
07:58:39 | OliverKlozoff | see, I already have one :P |
07:58:46 | adi|home | :) |
07:58:50 | OliverKlozoff | haven't you seen the screenshots? |
07:58:53 | adi|home | im unemployed.. very unemployed... |
07:58:56 | earHurts | I can't connect my pda to srchos (yet) |
07:59:06 | OliverKlozoff | haven't you noticed they're a bit... big? |
07:59:21 | earHurts | ask for a job at archos. they need talent |
07:59:35 | OliverKlozoff | and brains |
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07:59:40 | OliverKlozoff | they need brains |
07:59:46 | OliverKlozoff | hey Dan |
07:59:58 | OliverKlozoff | wanna check the latest in screenshot technology? |
08:00 |
08:00:13 | Bagder | I do! |
08:00:24 | OliverKlozoff | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/revelation.jpg |
08:00:24 | Bagder | :-) |
08:00:37 | OliverKlozoff | the damn startup code in the archos fw records from the mic |
08:01:09 | earHurts | is there a tolls that will join two contigous volumes into a single volume? |
08:01:26 | earHurts | the startup /records/??? |
08:02:02 | OliverKlozoff | that's what I said. |
08:02:10 | OliverKlozoff | it RECORDS |
08:02:11 | OliverKlozoff | from the builtin mic |
08:02:16 | adi|home | Bagder: long time no talk |
08:02:22 | Bagder | hi adi |
08:02:25 | adi|home | hey... bud... question for you... |
08:02:44 | Bagder | sure |
08:02:53 | earHurts | that's insane |
08:02:54 | adi|home | any opinions about a recursive directory delete? |
08:03:12 | adi|home | i was deleting files... was very annoying... |
08:03:27 | OliverKlozoff | if you have an FM |
08:03:27 | Bagder | I think using delete on a directory should be recursive |
08:03:35 | adi|home | k... good |
08:03:44 | adi|home | cause we dont do dir delete at all... |
08:03:53 | adi|home | ill see about that... |
08:03:53 | Bagder | right |
08:03:59 | earHurts | we already have a recursive routine in create playlist. |
08:04:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
08:04:09 | Bagder | right |
08:04:14 | adi|home | dirs are files on our system right? |
08:04:15 | OliverKlozoff | it's right when the the marker is halfway between the 'OS Version:' and the version number |
08:04:18 | earHurts | let's see if we can reuse that. |
08:04:26 | adi|home | nods |
08:04:28 | OliverKlozoff | adi|home: yeah but you have to delete the '.' and '..' entries |
08:04:34 | adi|home | nods |
08:04:42 | earHurts | dirs have a bit set in the dir cache that marks them |
08:04:47 | OliverKlozoff | the FM startup code records 16KB from the MAS |
08:04:54 | adi|home | right.. thats easy enough to detect.. |
08:05:06 | earHurts | so it's a POST |
08:05:16 | earHurts | record to ensure it works. |
08:05:17 | OliverKlozoff | I guess so |
08:05:24 | Bagder | OliverKlozoff: you found out why? |
08:05:27 | OliverKlozoff | but |
08:05:32 | OliverKlozoff | it doesn't DO anything if it doesn't work |
08:05:34 | OliverKlozoff | it just hangs there |
08:05:36 | earHurts | that's annoying I want a build that prevenst recording at all |
08:05:39 | Bagder | heh |
08:05:58 | OliverKlozoff | that's what I was fighting with for a week |
08:06:01 | OliverKlozoff | it would just *hang* there |
08:06:10 | OliverKlozoff | no output |
08:06:12 | OliverKlozoff | ... |
08:06:17 | OliverKlozoff | damn pos |
08:06:27 | earHurts | gaurd wouldn't let me take my archos into jury duty becuase it records. |
08:06:35 | earHurts | guard, even |
08:06:44 | OliverKlozoff | how did he know it records? |
08:06:58 | OliverKlozoff | put it in a Player case :D |
08:07:03 | earHurts | it says on the front, and I was honest. |
08:07:40 | OliverKlozoff | ah, see, if you had an FM you could have just said it was for recording the radio :P |
08:07:43 | earHurts | I'm going to make a build that doesn't record, rolo, or delete/rename ajbrec.ajz |
08:08:03 | earHurts | hey bager, you know about the mechanics of the fm? |
08:08:25 | Bagder | only a little, I don't have one myself |
08:08:27 | earHurts | lying to courst officials is asking for trouble |
08:08:30 | OliverKlozoff | Bagder: 'revelation' had a broken ADC emulation that made it think it was in USB mode all the time |
08:08:45 | OliverKlozoff | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/fixedadc.jpg |
08:09:09 | Bagder | :-) |
08:09:15 | earHurts | bagder, the battery negative lead attaches directly to the metal case. |
08:09:36 | OliverKlozoff | perhaps that's for grounding? |
08:09:52 | adi|home | what key makes recording stop? |
08:09:56 | earHurts | I think I even shocked myself, when I left the plastic wrap off the hdd |
08:10:09 | earHurts | oliver, could it be? |
08:10:17 | OliverKlozoff | I dunno |
08:10:19 | OliverKlozoff | I'm no EE |
08:10:24 | Bagder | me neither |
08:10:28 | OliverKlozoff | I'm no anything E for that matter |
08:10:30 | earHurts | crap |
08:10:35 | * | OliverKlozoff flunked out of college, never went to class |
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08:10:52 | earHurts | and you writw compilers for a living? cool. |
08:10:58 | OliverKlozoff | no? |
08:11:03 | OliverKlozoff | I don't write compilers for a living... |
08:11:11 | earHurts | thought you said as much |
08:11:16 | OliverKlozoff | no... |
08:11:25 | OliverKlozoff | not even close |
08:11:41 | earHurts | you are stevie-fp, yes? |
08:11:48 | OliverKlozoff | indeed |
08:11:52 | OliverKlozoff | but I don't write compilers |
08:12:00 | earHurts | hmmph. |
08:12:06 | earHurts | my bad inference. |
08:12:28 | adi|home | OliverKlozoff: what do you do? |
08:12:28 | OliverKlozoff | Bagder: I found a way to detect charging status on the FM |
08:12:28 | OliverKlozoff | well hmm |
08:12:34 | earHurts | hardeep, know any electricity? |
08:12:41 | OliverKlozoff | you guys know what Mobil Speedpass is? |
08:13:00 | earHurts | yeah. |
08:13:05 | adi|home | yup.. |
08:13:09 | OliverKlozoff | imagine using that sort of thing to buy candy/soda from a vending machine |
08:13:14 | earHurts | a credit card |
08:13:19 | OliverKlozoff | or your lunch from Burger King or McD's |
08:13:27 | adi|home | your trying to make me more poor aren't you oliver |
08:13:37 | earHurts | you write software for that? cool |
08:13:37 | OliverKlozoff | lmao |
08:13:46 | OliverKlozoff | I write the software that runs on the devices |
08:13:53 | earHurts | nice |
08:13:57 | OliverKlozoff | that plugs into vending machines and cash registers |
08:14:01 | adi|home | sweet.. where you located.. and are you hirering :) |
08:14:05 | OliverKlozoff | for a similar system |
08:14:07 | * | earHurts <bb coding in java for $ |
08:14:16 | hardeep | earHurts: electricity and I are old friends |
08:14:21 | OliverKlozoff | lmao hardeep |
08:14:26 | hardeep | earHurts: starting when i first stuck a fork in the socket |
08:14:29 | OliverKlozoff | adi|home: lol |
08:14:33 | earHurts | perhaps you can help me then. |
08:14:48 | adi|home | OliverKlozoff: im not joking... |
08:14:50 | adi|home | i need a job :) |
08:14:52 | adi|home | bad |
08:15:00 | earHurts | the archos fm battery negative connects to the case. |
08:15:04 | OliverKlozoff | I doubt we have a position available |
08:15:22 | earHurts | code java? live in the US? |
08:15:40 | OliverKlozoff | we've barely started recovering from a loss that nearly put us out of business |
08:15:48 | OliverKlozoff | back in november, massive layoffs happened |
08:15:52 | earHurts | the freaking case, does that make sense? |
08:16:43 | earHurts | 13gb copied to the new archos drive! |
08:16:51 | OliverKlozoff | congratulations. |
08:17:08 | earHurts | no, thank you for the mkdosfs link. |
08:17:21 | OliverKlozoff | does it werk? |
08:18:02 | earHurts | else ny head would have exploded. I left the usb cable at work, had to cab back to get it after nearly destroying the case installing the new drive. |
08:18:15 | earHurts | seems to work but not chkdsk. |
08:18:56 | OliverKlozoff | ouch |
08:19:01 | earHurts | broke a solder joint. bent the case. |
08:19:18 | OliverKlozoff | double ouch |
08:19:28 | earHurts | should have un-soldered it, but I don't solder |
08:20:18 | | Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) |
08:21:07 | earHurts | I thinking I might have to buy a new archos. |
08:21:19 | adi|home | so.. umm.. how do i turn off recording? |
08:21:51 | earHurts | never recorded with rockbox. |
08:22:53 | earHurts | now, how do attach the old 20gb to my zaurus |
08:23:17 | OliverKlozoff | 'stop' or 'pause' maybe? |
08:23:26 | earHurts | off? |
08:23:27 | OliverKlozoff | 'very large hammer' perhaps |
08:23:47 | * | OliverKlozoff is pretty sure that would stop recording AND playback as well |
08:24:33 | earHurts | press, not hold. |
08:25:09 | earHurts | bagder, not rockbox issues with 60gb drive, yes? |
08:25:17 | earHurts | s/not/no |
08:25:23 | Bagder | nope, not that I know of |
08:26:00 | earHurts | then it's the only thing involved in this upgrade that doesn't |
08:26:41 | earHurts | w2k won't format |
08:27:08 | earHurts | >32gb BY|DESIGN. |
08:27:09 | earHurts | feh |
08:27:18 | Bagder | right |
08:27:29 | Bagder | but linux and others have no issues |
08:28:05 | Bagder | the archos should work fine with anything up to 128GB |
08:28:25 | Bagder | or 138 as the disk-manufactorers say |
08:28:51 | earHurts | hmm |
08:29:02 | earHurts | one file eefused to copy. |
08:29:21 | earHurts | one. out of all 18gb |
08:30:24 | earHurts | what's the max dir or file name length with mkdosfs? |
08:30:42 | Bagder | I dunno |
08:31:44 | earHurts | crap |
08:33:36 | * | Bagder hates news-articles on the web split up on N different pages instead of one single |
08:33:39 | earHurts | ah. |
08:33:57 | earHurts | the file is corrupt on the source drive. |
08:33:59 | earHurts | yeah! |
08:34:40 | earHurts | that way the lower their bandwidth and guage your interest. and yes, it >> next page. |
08:34:53 | earHurts | << previous page sucks |
08:34:54 | Bagder | yeah |
08:35:01 | Bagder | I just use the printer-friendly link and read that one |
08:35:18 | Bagder | if there is one |
08:36:20 | earHurts | new drive boots archos. |
08:36:28 | earHurts | setting gone of course. |
08:36:59 | earHurts | what's the keys to change contrast? |
08:37:23 | Bagder | its in the faq |
08:37:36 | Bagder | I can't tell for sure, I have my version patched |
08:37:54 | earHurts | got it! |
08:41:00 | earHurts | config loaded! |
08:41:22 | earHurts | display seems less bright. |
08:41:35 | earHurts | but power specs for new hdd same as old |
08:41:49 | earHurts | perhaps imagining, or used to pda |
08:43:11 | earHurts | playing music from new drive! |
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08:46:56 | earHurts | new 60gb drive working. |
08:53:45 | earHurts | the new drive can be heard in recording from the built in mike, but not enough t make the recording unintelligible |
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12:39:53 | Kuji | hola |
12:39:59 | Kuji | hey badger.. |
12:40:25 | Bagder | hi |
12:41:06 | Kuji | you remember I was having the recording problems ?? missing record time etc ? maybe you dont.. heh |
12:41:38 | Kuji | anyway... It seems that the recorded file contains errors that RB ignores while playing.. but any other windows app I have found cannot handle |
12:42:22 | Kuji | I couldnt remember if it was you who was the recording dude.. hehe |
12:42:35 | Bagder | linus is the recording master |
12:42:39 | Kuji | I posted a bug report which should be killed, the change in mpeg version is due to the VBR |
12:42:52 | Kuji | but the file does have random errors.. |
12:43:54 | Kuji | is annoying me, as the original fw works, but RB recording screws up.. its quite odd.. I cant use the time split either as it doesnt chop properly... althought that does stop the bugs getting in if the recording is only 15mins. |
12:44:50 | Kuji | VBRfix just chops the file at the first error it finds. |
12:45:30 | Kuji | but yet, when playing from the RB it ignores the error and continues... Im wondering if maybe my JB encoder is screwing up.. |
12:45:43 | Kuji | a hw fault.. |
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13:16:23 | LinusN | Kuji: the recording bug you are experiencing might be a filesystem driver bug |
13:16:53 | LinusN | can you see any pattern regarding file size etc? |
13:28:59 | Kuji | hey linus |
13:29:19 | Kuji | there is no pattern to the bug... usually over 30mins |
13:30:01 | Kuji | if I record 15mins segments they are ok, but are not split correctly... if I record 30mins segments sometimes they are ok, yesterday the middle one screwed up half way |
13:30:06 | Kuji | I have the file if you would like it. |
13:30:26 | Kuji | it seems to happen after 30mins recording |
13:30:59 | LinusN | what is your cluster size? |
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13:31:30 | Kuji | I will tell you now, I have tried formatting on XP, 2000, win 98 and ME.. |
13:31:59 | Kuji | check out the time split bug too !! hehe... its a bummer |
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13:41:49 | Kuji_ | arggh |
13:42:01 | Kuji_ | linus.. sorry bout that.. batteries on JB ran out as I was getting partinfo and it crashed machine |
13:42:01 | Kuji_ | hehe |
13:42:20 | Kuji_ | cluster size is currently 16k |
13:42:47 | Kuji_ | should I change cluster size ? |
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14:27:09 | Linus|brb | there is no "wrong" cluster size |
14:27:19 | Linus|brb | and 16k is ok |
14:27:47 | kuji | it seems its only me getting these recording fuckups... |
14:27:54 | kuji | any suggestions |
14:28:17 | Linus|brb | not really |
14:28:25 | Linus|brb | which rb version do you use? |
14:28:33 | kuji | latest build |
14:28:53 | Linus|brb | time split bug? |
14:28:57 | kuji | yeah |
14:29:08 | kuji | if you record and set the split... the split is not accurate |
14:29:16 | Linus|brb | that is not a bug |
14:29:23 | kuji | ie they dont join seamlessly.. |
14:29:27 | Linus|brb | it is a missing feature |
14:29:42 | kuji | I find the next split usually has a second of the previous split on it |
14:29:48 | Linus|brb | the current split function is lame |
14:29:52 | kuji | join with other prog |
14:30:01 | kuji | useful as it stops the record fucking up.. |
14:30:07 | kuji | but then cant join em back up heh |
14:30:21 | Linus|brb | and you should set the "independent frames" setting to "yes" |
14:30:26 | kuji | it is |
14:31:02 | Linus|brb | the current split function is not even attempting to split accurately |
14:31:08 | kuji | ahh ok. |
14:31:12 | kuji | that would be why then |
14:31:13 | Linus|brb | it just stops the recording and restarts it |
14:31:47 | kuji | do you think cluster size would make a difference ? |
14:31:55 | Linus|brb | i will write a better one when i find the time |
14:32:03 | kuji | there is something going wrong and I cannot tell... |
14:32:15 | kuji | dont want to have to use the archos record as thats flaky too.. |
14:32:30 | Linus|brb | kuji: yiu cuuld try to change the cluster size and see if the errors come in a different point in time |
14:32:47 | kuji | what would be best, smaller or bigger |
14:32:53 | kuji | bigger would be faster yes. |
14:32:55 | Linus|brb | bigger is better |
14:33:09 | kuji | what can RB handle ... any idea ? |
14:33:09 | Linus|brb | i think you have found a bug |
14:33:19 | Linus|brb | rb can handle any size |
14:33:21 | kuji | boo! |
14:33:23 | kuji | ok |
14:33:44 | Linus|brb | i gotta go, cu later |
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17:53:35 | lgl | yo. are we speaking english or swedish... |
17:54:21 | hardeep | lgl: english |
17:54:29 | lgl | anybody out there? oh hi! |
17:55:04 | lgl | well, I used to own a jb recorder 20, and using rockbox of course. |
17:55:27 | lgl | then it got stolen and I'm thinking, either I buy a jb fm rec or a small flash-based player. |
17:56:06 | lgl | i started digging through the mail archives (jumped off the list just last week actually) to get some info about the supportage of the fm recorder. |
17:56:26 | lgl | and it seems pretty well supported and all, but now I'm looking for some input on how good it is. |
17:56:32 | hardeep | lgl: the fm recorder is fully supported |
17:57:05 | lgl | so to make a long story short, does anyone here have anything to say about the fm recorder, pros, cons... |
17:57:33 | hardeep | lgl: i don't ave an fm recorder so can't comment |
17:57:42 | lgl | hardeep: well, I saw that (except that the status page for the fm recorder says that radio isn't supported) |
17:58:03 | hardeep | lgl: fm radio is supported in the daily builds |
17:58:06 | lgl | although, as I understand it there is no "retro record" which seems pretty nifty. |
17:58:47 | hardeep | lgl: no retro record _yet_ =) |
17:59:03 | lgl | of course =) |
17:59:42 | lgl | hum, ok, 'cause I saw some stuff on the battery, that the battery time isn't very good (might have changed tho') |
17:59:52 | lgl | since it's a Li-Ion battery. |
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18:00:55 | lgl | it's a pretty tough decision. otherwise I'm thinking about a 256 MB, 37 grams flash-based player. |
18:02:08 | hardeep | lgl: you'll have to ask someone else that... although one of the negatives of the fm recorder is that the battery isn't easy to replace |
18:03:09 | lgl | hardeep: hmm, yes that's true. although I like built-in batteries for some reason. |
18:03:36 | lgl | but do archos sell it anymore? 'cause I can't find it on their site. |
18:04:11 | MT | battery time is excellent on the fm |
18:04:19 | hardeep | lgl: i dunno |
18:04:19 | MT | i dont know where these rumours come from |
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18:04:31 | MT | i regularly get 10 hours from my fm |
18:05:12 | MT | i dont know what the old style recorders/players do with *stock* batteries, but i doubt its more |
18:06:00 | lgl | MT: ok that's nice to hear! |
18:06:13 | lgl | MT: I usually got 8-10 hours from my old recorder |
18:06:23 | hardeep | MT: yeah, that sounds about right on my recorder |
18:06:26 | lgl | what else have you got to say about the fm? |
18:06:38 | MT | i never use the radio :D |
18:06:41 | MT | thats about it |
18:06:56 | MT | also the paint flakes off the back |
18:07:00 | lgl | ok... it isn't flaky or bad form factor |
18:07:07 | MT | but i think thats a generic fm problem |
18:07:08 | MT | er |
18:07:12 | MT | s/fm/archos/ |
18:07:24 | lgl | yup, i think that happened to my recorder |
18:07:38 | lgl | it's nice that it's lighter than the recorder too. |
18:07:54 | MT | my model is one of the very early fms, the flap covering the battery is quite easy to dislodge |
18:08:05 | MT | but the more recent ones have it secured with a few screws |
18:08:12 | MT | which is good |
18:08:31 | MT | it takes a quite hard knock to dislodge it anyways on mine |
18:11:16 | lgl | ok sounds good. |
18:11:31 | lgl | oh well gotta go now. thanks for the info! I'll decide tomorrow. |
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18:41:43 | Kuji | I just want to update him of something we talked about earlier |
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22:15:23 | thu | well keep trying |
22:18:02 | MiChAeLoL | lol |
22:21:31 | Hes | freenode was, sort of, attacked by a load of bots which made things break a bit. |
22:23:46 | thu | why do people do crap like that? |
22:25:33 | Stevie[FP] | as lilo pointed out last night |
22:25:35 | Stevie[FP] | it's summertime |
22:25:43 | Stevie[FP] | script kiddies are no longer occupied by skool |
22:26:35 | thu | sad but true |
22:26:51 | thu | did they close undernet or something? |
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22:50:54 | MiChAeLoL | !google adsf |
22:51:01 | MiChAeLoL | !google asdf |
22:51:09 | MiChAeLoL | aww no one has a google bot |
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