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#rockbox log for 2003-07-02

00:03:01[IDC]DragonSince today, I can cold-start Rockbox, looks like I now got all the missing inits.
00:03:49[IDC]DragonYeah, it's now ready for flash. but I don't have the chip. That's depressing.
00:04:04Zagoryeah, it's really ironic
00:04:43[IDC]DragonIt's on order, but just got delayed to in 2-3 weeks.
00:07:01[IDC]DragonIn fact, one little thing is missing: the loop that copies Rockbox into place. That'll be the scrambled image which the boot rom starts.
00:07:34[IDC]DragonI don't want to scramble Rockbox, it's pointless and takes time.
00:08:27[IDC]DragonI'm rather thinking about compressing it, so we can cram 2 firmwares in.
00:09:49Zagorgood idea to have a scrambled boot loader
00:10:25Zagorpersonally i think i would choose an uncompressed rockbox, for minimum boot time
00:10:33[IDC]DragonNot really, we just have to. That's the way the rom starts the stuff, no choice.
00:11:13Zagoryeah, i know. i mean the idea to have a small loader scrambled instead of the whole of rockbox is good
00:11:38[IDC]DragonI was researching about algorithms that are very fast to decompress.
00:12:33[IDC]DragonIt may hide in the disk startup time.
00:13:18[IDC]DragonLook at this, if you like: Für die Herstellung in der Mikrowelle legt man die Maiskörner in eine große Papiertüte und erhitzt sie bei 450 Watt sieben bis acht Minuten lang. Zwischendurch immer wieder schütteln. Bei der klassischen Zubereitung Cocosöl in einen Topf oder eine Pfanne mit Deckel geben und erhitzen. Dann die Maiskörner dazugeben (darauf achten, dass sie nicht übereinander liegen). Deckel schließen und Topf bzw. Pfanne zuerst
00:13:21Zagori've tested pic now, and unfortunately the gcc-inserted simulated opcodes count as external references.
00:13:41[IDC]DragonSorry, wrong clipboard.
00:13:51Zagorso plugins without such functions work, but not the others
00:14:23[IDC]DragonWhat are simulated opcodes?
00:14:45Zagorthings like __mulsi3 and __sdivsi3
00:15:25[IDC]DragonCan we blame the linker for being crappy?
00:16:47[IDC]DragonMaybe that library stuff can be build as PIC, too?
00:17:41Zagormaybe, i don't know.
00:29:36[IDC]DragonIs there anybody with a broken box, from which I could scrap the flash chip?
00:30:27Zagornone that I know of
00:30:41[IDC]Dragon(I'd better ask that to the group)
00:36:52Zagorbed time. night all!
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01:12:35MTjust did an unintentional battery test
01:12:51MTset my fm to wakeup at 11:45 am
01:13:00MTand it just conked out
01:13:09MTforgot to plug it in
01:13:24MTso it did 12 hours 23 minutes
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01:19:25tracktheripperhello everyone
01:22:41tracktheripperIS there a way to convert the Archos into a "Master"
01:22:52BoD[]master whatr
01:22:57tracktherippermaster USB
01:23:09tracktheripperafter all the Archos uses the same USB port found on a computer
01:23:53tracktheripperwhy not?
01:23:59MTbecause it doesnt
01:24:04MTits not a host
01:24:08MTits a device
01:24:20MTits the same reason you cant plug a hard disk into a usb printer
01:24:23MTtheres no controller
01:25:20tracktheripperbut the Archos is the only device that has the rectangular port, not the square B port!!
01:26:03tracktheripperjust think about it! no more memmory cards!
01:26:09tracktheripper10Gb photo wallet!
01:26:33MTthere is a device that does that
01:26:47tracktheripperyou could even use the LCD on the Archos as a viewfinder or picture viewer when plugged into ur camera!!
01:26:50MTthat 'rectangular' port is a mini-b
01:27:27PsycoXultracktheripper: the older archos' having the 'A' port was a like a mistake
01:27:41PsycoXultracktheripper: they shouldn't have.. they're not master devices, and it's against the USB spec
01:27:42tracktheripperin wat way was it a mistake?
01:28:50tracktheripperso if the archos is a "slave"...........
01:29:04tracktheripper((gets his whip out)) ARCHOS, go and make the tea :-)))
01:29:07tracktherippersorry bad joke
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02:08:46tracktheripperhello Joshn
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03:00:28 Nick ch0ppedl1ver is now known as Stevie-O (
03:00:29Stevie-Oanyone here have any experience with tv-out on a voodoo3?
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03:02:26earHurtsHow are you gentlemen !!
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03:04:28earHurtsYou have no chance to survive make your time.
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03:11:09Stevie-Oun huh
03:11:12Stevie-Ouh huh, even
03:12:27earHurtsYou are on the way to destruction
03:15:24earHurtshoe's the emu?
03:15:37Stevie-Ohavent worked on it lately
03:18:37earHurtsjust busy?
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03:34:43adi|emshowdy all...
03:34:49ch0ppedl1verthis damn server needs a fscking check_pings()
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03:42:11ricIII see the dyn-pl patch is approved! :)
03:45:59hardeepricII: yes, finally... :)
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03:47:03adi|emsheheh cool huh?
03:47:13adi|emsyawn.. okay... back to not saving ppls lives...
03:47:21adi|emsbe home in a bit.. talk to you all later..
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03:47:35earHurtscan somwebody verify something fir me?.
03:49:04earHurtsthe latest daily tar doesn't see to include /plugins
03:49:19hardeepearHurts: the next one should, Zagor made a fix
03:50:10earHurtsi d/l'd it becase my regular build based on cvs, fails on the link
03:50:40earHurtsundef'd refs in viewer.o
03:50:57hardeepearHurts: they are also available at
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03:51:13earHurtsany ideas?
03:52:32earHurtsthe whole source of plugins is available?
03:52:57hardeepearHurts: yes... that points to the latest CVS
03:54:17earHurtsI'd like to get my regular build working; why would the link fail? This build's been working for months
03:54:40hardeepearHurts: are building from a clean source tree?
03:54:48hardeeper, are you
03:55:19ricIIhardeep: so what is the prob. with the bookmark patch ?
03:55:23earHurtsI'm doing a make clean first
03:55:40earHurtsbut I have some long standing source mods
03:56:18hardeepearHurts: but have you applied any of your patches? i'd recommend starting with fresh cvs and doing a build, just to make sure you don't have any relics lingering around
03:57:18hardeepricII: it doesn't bookmark dynamic playlists currently
03:57:50hardeepricII: plus I deleted several settings it was using for resume, although it's pretty easy to add them back through another mechanism
03:58:02earHurtsgood idea. I'll try that. If I do a cvs get clean copy, how can I best save my modifications?
03:58:26hardeepearHurts: "cvs diff" see documentation on making patches
03:59:04earHurtshmm. make a diff of my mods, get the clean copy, then apply the patch?
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03:59:33hardeepearHurts: yeah, although i would make sure everything builds properly before reapplying your patches
03:59:40hardeephi diddystar5
03:59:51ricIIafter 10 jul I can't probely devote some real time on rockbox
03:59:59earHurtsyeah, that's what I meant ;)
04:00:05hardeepricII: well get cracking then... =)
04:00:17earHurtswhat happens july 10?
04:00:40diddystar5hardepp: you wouldn't mind making me a source bzip ould you? :)
04:00:45ricIIholy day's at work, well minor staff.
04:02:11ricIIjust ~10 people including me mostly idleling...
04:02:25hardeepdiddystar5: sure, gimme a sec...
04:02:40diddystar5hardeep: sorry meant hardeep not hardepp
04:02:55diddystar5hardeep: thanks
04:03:04hardeepdiddystar5: you could probably also do it using wget on, etc.
04:03:40hardeeper s/do it/get it
04:04:08diddystar5hardeep: i'll try that
04:04:56ricIIearHurts: I realy tried getting my dyn-pl idea to code but crazyness at work force hardeep to reimplement it.
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04:06:35*ch0ppedl1ver yawns
04:06:40 Nick ch0ppedl1ver is now known as Stevie-O (
04:07:40*Stevie-O burns slackware 9 to a cd
04:08:42Stevie-Opeople might ask, why pay the extra $299 to get a dvd-cdrw combo drive in your laptop
04:08:44Stevie-Othat's why!
04:08:49ricIIlittle use for in on cd, Stevie-O sould just install on hd.
04:09:22Stevie-Oi see little use in installing an .iso file onto a hard drive
04:09:31Stevie-Oaside from mounting it with -o loop
04:09:35ricII\losetup ?
04:09:46Stevie-Oand even then, I have to get the damn thing onto the machine in the first place, don't I?
04:10:34Stevie-Ochroot will only change the apparent root directory
04:10:39Stevie-Oi fail to see how that will help anything :P
04:11:23ricIIuntar base. chroot do remoin stuff, reboot
04:11:56Stevie-Oi don't think you understand
04:12:03Stevie-Othe iso isn't on the machine i'm installing to
04:13:44diddystar5hardeeps: thanks i also figured out how to wget :)
04:13:46ricIII'm spoiled,,,, of boor enet|:
04:14:09Stevie-Oif i had gigabit ethernet it might be feasible to just copy the file over
04:14:09ricIIeh boot enet:
04:14:14hardeepdiddystar5: yeah, me too. :) works pretty well for getting latest cvs
04:14:26ricIImy rom can do that..
04:15:59Stevie-Owhich makes more sense? CPU temp > sys temp, or sys temp > CPU temp?
04:16:35Stevie-Othought so
04:16:35Stevie-OSYS Temp: +42.3°C (limit = +45°C, hysteresis = +40°C)
04:16:36Stevie-OCPU Temp: +31.6°C (limit = +60°C, hysteresis = +55°C)
04:16:56Stevie-Oit would seem that something's not quite right
04:17:35ricIIdepends on ambiant temp, and cpu temp history..
04:17:44*Stevie-O has no idea
04:18:00Stevie-Oi went through hell to convince lm_sensors to compile correctly
04:18:16ricIIbut 42 is high..
04:18:32Stevie-Ofor cpu? or for sys?
04:18:54Stevie-OI think that the cpu and sys temps are swapped
04:19:21ricIIsys, e.g. my 4900 switch is rated for until 40
04:19:53Stevie-Ocuz that's a very low cpu temp
04:19:53diddystar5gotta go my mom is getting mad
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04:21:37ricIIbookmark patch does't seem verry problematic on first glimse..
04:22:34hardeepricII: the biggest issue I had was with the multiple bookmarks in one file
04:23:05hardeepricII: which is not very compatible if we start saving dynamic playlists (which I think we should do)
04:25:13ricIIsee your point..
04:25:34ricIII will sleep on it some more..
04:26:46ricIIstill think the dyn-pl is clean
04:30:15hardeepclean in terms of?
04:31:47hardeepand bookmarks aren't?
04:32:12ricIIdon;t know yet
04:33:14ricIIthey sould be able to coexist..
04:33:57hardeepoh, agreed. I wasn't saying that they can't coexist... just they the current implementation of bookmarks doesn't... a few changes are all that's required
04:35:27ricIIrealy have to sleep, only got 4h left..
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04:49:06 Join thu [0] (
04:49:44thuI was just looking at the Neuros
04:49:56thulooks like a pretty nice thing
04:50:31thuStevie-O: know anything about it?
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04:53:51Stevie-Onever heardofit
04:54:07thuopen source ogg firmware
04:54:11thuamong other things
04:54:16midknight2k3for archos?
04:54:22thuit's some other player
04:54:24midknight2k3oh lol
04:54:37midknight2k3Neuros! I've seen that!
04:55:14thuit has some nice features that I was thinking could be implemented in rockbox
04:55:25midknight2k3What I want now is that iRiver IHP-100
04:55:44midknight2k3What do you think, thu? About the features
04:55:47midknight2k3Which ones?
04:56:02thumore preciselly storing the whole PC library on the archos
04:56:10thuand being able to request a song for the next sync
04:56:26thuthat sounds somewhat cool
04:56:37thubtw I have a problem with my fm recorder
04:56:54thuinstead of turning off completelly the backlight keeps flickering for awhile
04:57:04thueventually it turns off but it flickers for quite some time
04:57:32thubig problem is that I don't have any warranty papers anymore
04:57:32midknight2k3never heard of it
04:57:35midknight2k3uh ho
04:57:49thuand even if I did it costs too much to send the thing to the other coast and back
04:57:54midknight2k3you could take a peek inside to see if there's a damaged connector or something
04:58:11thuthing is in both the firmware and rockbox it does the same thing
04:58:19thuand there is no flicker when the light is on
04:58:32midknight2k3just when its supposed to turn off?
04:58:50midknight2k3very, very odd
04:59:14thuthe only problem with that is that it drains the battery
04:59:22thuotherwise it doesn't bother me in any way
04:59:45thuwhoa.. the iRiver is expensive
04:59:49thu350 GBP?
04:59:56midknight2k3like 489 us
04:59:59midknight2k3i think
05:00:03thuwhat does it have inside?
05:00:05midknight2k3but it's very nice
05:00:09thuheh only 10G drive
05:00:10midknight2k310gb hard drivwe
05:00:12thusounds crazy
05:00:15midknight2k3but a lot more
05:00:21midknight2k3it can do 4 different formate
05:00:22thuand it's not even OUT yet
05:00:27thubleh screw wma
05:00:33midknight2k3it can record
05:00:37thudoesn't the archos read wavs?
05:00:38midknight2k3it has a lot of stuff
05:00:41thuarchos can do that too
05:00:55midknight2k3i don't really get it but it's got good looks so I like it
05:01:09thuI heard the interface on the ipod is nice
05:01:17thubut I didn't get my hands on one yet
05:01:26midknight2k3yeah iriver's is supposed to be superb
05:01:30thuthat's one of the weak parts of the archos
05:01:35thuthe screen is too small
05:02:02thubtw where can I get an archos remote from?
05:02:10midknight2k3there is none for fm recorder
05:02:27thuThe great thing abou the iHP-100 is its ability to transfer files using Windows Explorer, something that most people will appreciate.
05:02:28midknight2k3yes it sucks
05:02:36thuyay they discovered usb-storage
05:02:40midknight2k3I wish I had it
05:02:45thume too
05:02:49midknight2k3There's a lot of little niceties
05:02:54midknight2k3especially, the screen
05:03:08thuI'm not impressed
05:03:09midknight2k3since this came up the rioriot's screen was the best
05:03:16thuI'd rather take that neuros
05:03:19thuthe iriver
05:03:27thuthe neuros has another nice thing
05:03:33thuthe drive is in a 'backpack'
05:03:39thuand the player can be separated from it
05:03:46thuyeah :)
05:03:58thuso you can take 128M with you and leave the drive behind
05:04:10thuand it also has an integrated FM transmitter
05:04:19midknight2k3YES WE SEE IT'S VERY COOL
05:04:20thuthat's another thing I'm looking to get for the archos
05:04:37midknight2k3the iHP should go down to like 299 though when it's finally out
05:04:57midknight2k3i mean, a 10gb iPod is 299, and a 10 gig iriver for 499?
05:05:28thuand a 20G archos? :)
05:05:39midknight2k3archos, overall, is the best
05:05:46midknight2k3fm recorder - you can't beat that
05:05:57thuthe neuros comes close
05:06:01midknight2k3with rockbox, you have something that could sell for like 500-600
05:06:12midknight2k3if it was archos' firmware
05:06:19midknight2k3and it was standard
05:06:25midknight2k3ok not 600
05:06:36midknight2k3but more than 279.99
05:06:48thuhow much for an fm recorder + fm transmitter + car kit?
05:07:17midknight2k3EQUALS about 325 bucks
05:07:30thuthe neuros is exactly that at $350
05:07:40thu+ it plays oggs now :P
05:07:46midknight2k3i dont care about OGG
05:07:50midknight2k3what the hell?
05:07:59midknight2k3i guess it's just another feature, but..
05:07:59thume neither that much.. I have tons of mp3s
05:08:04thubut ogg is better than wma
05:08:09midknight2k3i guess
05:08:11thusome people are all into it
05:08:18midknight2k3but neuros doesnt DO wma so there's no comparison
05:08:21midknight2k3unless it can?
05:08:24midknight2k3not I
05:08:35thuneither does the archos
05:09:01midknight2k3archos is better, it has much other stuff
05:09:05thuhmm they have a thing in the neuros
05:09:12thuwhen you hear something on the radio you hit a button
05:09:17midknight2k3does NEUROS have INVERT? does it have GAMES? a CHIP8 emulator?
05:09:19thuand it records 30s of the song
05:09:27midknight2k3and match it up
05:09:32thuthen when you sync it uploads it and recognizes it
05:09:41thuchip8 emulator?
05:09:44midknight2k3dah who cares
05:09:50thuwhat's that
05:10:01midknight2k3you get like 15 more games and a chip8 emulator somewhere close by
05:10:11midknight2k3it can make that archos play chip8 games
05:10:15midknight2k3breakout, pont, etc
05:10:23thugames on the archos suck
05:10:25thubig time
05:10:33midknight2k3i suppose
05:10:41thumostly because the buttons and small screen
05:10:42midknight2k3but still, the archos has more features you have to admit
05:11:09thuI think I'll drop that sync request on
05:11:19midknight2k3you do that
05:11:28midknight2k3we get new sound settings soon!
05:11:35thuheh I'd even work on that if I had any idea what's going on
05:12:18midknight2k3something like a feature that looks at the settings and tells if they will, when combined, make the sound clip
05:12:44thuI had some problems with the sound settings recently
05:12:46midknight2k3 <−−neat!
05:12:50thuloudness at 10
05:12:53thuvolume way up
05:12:57midknight2k3ohh that's really high
05:13:03thubeyond 90% the sound dies
05:13:14midknight2k3report the bug
05:13:29thuI'll get the latest build now and see if it happens again
05:13:34thuI have a fairly old build
05:13:46midknight2k3see that archos link?
05:13:51thuyeah it's sweet
05:13:56thuexpensive like hell probably
05:13:58midknight2k3you can attach a camera that takes 3.3MP pics!
05:14:03midknight2k3three point three
05:14:14midknight2k3i want it.
05:14:16midknight2k3I WANT IT!
05:14:22thuyou can't have a good camera attached
05:14:26thueven if it does 10MP
05:14:36thuI'd rather have my archos read the flash cards
05:14:42thuas it already does in the multimedia ver
05:14:54thuit's a matter of optics and stuff
05:15:20thuI like the idea of having a webcam on it though
05:15:27thuso I can drop video recording on the drive
05:15:31thueven though it's crappy
05:15:58midknight2k3the new one can read memory cards too
05:16:04midknight2k3video recorder..
05:16:19midknight2k3plus FM radio and remote control
05:16:51midknight2k3never mind
05:16:59midknight2k3i shall have someone buy it and evaluate for me.
05:17:11thuI'd rather have someone buy it for me so I can evaluate it
05:17:22midknight2k3yeh lol
05:17:30thuheh you can have a laptop for that money
05:17:38*thu is currently laptopless
05:17:47*midknight2k3 too
05:18:03thuhow much mpeg4 can you record in 20G anyway?
05:18:21midknight2k3quite a bit
05:18:26midknight2k3no idea exactly
05:18:31thu1h? 10h? 10 days?
05:18:42midknight2k3i'd say closeest to 10h
05:18:46midknight2k3like 14h maybe?
05:18:55thuhile a standard tape can only hold 2-4 hours of video, your AV320 has a 40 hours capacity*.
05:19:01*thu droolz
05:19:28midknight2k3I WANT
05:19:33thuand that's on a 20G drive
05:19:41midknight2k3REPLACE IT@
05:19:48thuif you shell out another $2-300 you get an 80G model
05:20:13thu? what
05:20:46thuyou can have quite a nice thing for about $1k
05:20:57earHurts i've got a 60GB recorder fm
05:21:06midknight2k3HEY EarnHURTS
05:21:08thuthat's too much though imho
05:21:17earHurtshey midk
05:21:27thuheh and that's US money too
05:21:35thuhey earHurts
05:21:43earHurtshey thu
05:22:23earHurtsi've only filled 22GB of 55
05:22:33midknight2k3i don't even use 20g
05:23:00thuI'm okay with 20G on the move filled it for me
05:23:20thuearHurts: if their client worked on linux I'd pay them too
05:23:34earHurtsand I have 2GB of wagner
05:23:50thuWagner - Greatest Hits 2000
05:23:58midknight2k3hey earhurts: are the files they ive 320k?
05:24:03earHurtsthu that is a illy oversight of theirs
05:24:04thuWagner - Summer Mix
05:24:31earHurtsnope, vbr @ ~ 160
05:24:57midknight2k3thye can give 320k and let you downsize it
05:25:09earHurtsi think it's the r3mix setting, which is good quality
05:25:21thumy ears can't tell 320k apart from 192k
05:25:27thuespecially on crappy music
05:25:41midknight2k3strange me too
05:25:44midknight2k3most of the time
05:25:55earHurtsyeah, the setting is sufficient & more
05:26:31thuhehe especially since I have the headphones that come with the archos fm
05:26:49thuI've been trying to break them for 6 months
05:26:57thuso I can get a pair of good ones
05:27:04earHurtsi broke mine easily
05:27:14midknight2k3a tip, thu
05:27:27midknight2k3accidentally drop a hammer on one of the earpieces
05:27:30earHurtscatch the cable on a doorknob. keep walking
05:27:42midknight2k3you could break the archos
05:27:49thumine are in a pretty bad shape
05:28:06thuthe wire that goes to the right ear hangs out outside
05:28:16earHurtsthe sonys are nearly as comfy as the archos phones
05:28:27thuI want get some big sonys
05:28:43thuthey have some cool 'open air system' ones
05:29:23earHurtsopen air?
05:29:47midknight2k3it's NEAT earhurts
05:30:21thu[Linux] thu@dusty tmp $ emusicdlm-bin
05:30:21thuSegmentation fault
05:30:25earHurtswhat /is/ it?
05:30:55earHurtsemailed emusic?
05:31:13midknight2k3you like pay for the tracks you want or something
05:31:16midknight2k3like itunes music store
05:31:27thusomething like this.. your ear isn't totally covered by the headphones
05:31:49thu[Linux] thu@dusty tmp $ emusicdlm-bin
05:31:49thuSegmentation fault
05:31:58thudarn.. their new ver still doesn't work
05:32:31earHurtsemail em the core !
05:32:37thuthe download manager works
05:32:42thuare there 2 separate progs?
05:33:36earHurtswhat dorsn't work then?
05:34:14thuemusicdlm works
05:34:50thuearHurts: thu/ss/emusic.jpg">
05:34:57thuearHurts: is this what should be working?
05:35:06earHurtsI dunno.
05:35:25thuwhat do you mean you dunno?
05:35:26earHurtsgo try to download an album from your browser
05:35:34thuI don't have an account with them yet
05:35:42thuthey won't accept my cc
05:36:38earHurtsthat's a problem
05:41:56midknight2k3..And, silence.
05:44:54earHurtssorry, I was struggling with cvs
05:45:12midknight2k3is CVS busted?
05:45:42earHurtsI'm having problems using it from the commandline
05:47:00earHurtscommandline wants a CVSROOT
05:47:12midknight2k3plugin loader cool
05:47:17earHurtsI've been using wincvs to take care of it
05:47:19midknight2k3i didnt see it till just now
05:47:30earHurtswon't link for me
05:47:59midknight2k3you know muhc about plugin loader, earhurts?
05:49:19thuhey earHurts
05:49:25earHurtsa plugin is passed a struct of function pointers to rockbox functions, and a void* for data
05:49:29thuwanna see something?
05:50:05midknight2k3it's BUSTED!
05:50:29thuwell then .. they won't be getting my money today either
05:51:06earHurtsdo's your web server
05:51:07***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:51:19thuand btw.. it does the same for all CCs
05:51:25thuearHurts: ?
05:51:50earHurtsI can't get to
05:51:56thuwhat's the err?
05:52:00earHurtsoh, nevermind
05:52:23earHurtsmy firewall doesn't like non-standard http ports
05:52:34thumy isp doesn't like standard http ports
05:53:05thutry thu/ss/emusic_error.jpg">
05:53:17thuthe www. is a bloody framing redirect
05:53:37earHurtsno, I saw it. I overrode the firewall
05:53:55thuu liked it?
05:54:10earHurtsI think your card must be overdrawn; it's all blurry
05:54:25earHurtslike it melted
05:55:25earHurtshere, tell me the number and I'll try it for you
05:56:08thunah.. it won't work
05:56:19thubut it did work for you before
05:56:24thutell me the number that you used
05:56:27earHurtsoh, if you're worried about logbot recording it just use rot-13
05:57:08earHurtsI only give my cc number to pretty girls
05:57:43thuI can get a couple for you
05:57:48thusent to your home address
05:57:51thujust gimme that number
05:58:33earHurtsi've got one. she's expensive enough.
05:58:52earHurtstry sending flowers if you want a shock
05:59:04thuwhy is that?
05:59:05 Quit Stevie-O (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
05:59:15thuI did it a few months ago :P
05:59:20earHurts$90 last time
05:59:23thuoverseas too
05:59:58thuI came up cheaper 'cuz I paid a friend to go to a local shop and get a bunch of roses
06:00:00earHurtsoverseas? oh you poor bastard. gotta stay out of those chatrooms, man
06:00:22earHurtssure, they claim they're hot
06:00:34earHurtssure, they claim they're women
06:00:53thuhmm.. you're making me wonder
06:01:01earHurtsprobably that german cannibal
06:01:52thuI really don't see the point of ordering flowers online
06:01:54midknight2k3I thought this was Rockbox chat?
06:01:55thuunless you're away somewhere
06:02:03earHurtsyou hear about that guy?
06:02:05thumidknight2k3: we all carry rockbox in our souls
06:02:06thuand pockets
06:02:13midknight2k3heh, ok whatever
06:02:14thuearHurts: naw
06:02:35earHurtsmet a guy on chat, offered to cook and eat him.
06:02:46earHurtsguy accepted, so he did
06:03:06earHurtsstill had steaks in the fridge when they arrested him
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06:03:50thuhey midknight2k3.. want me to cook ya?
06:03:51earHurtschopped liver, we were just talking about you
06:03:59thumm even better
06:04:02midknight2k3NO THANKS!
06:04:08midknight2k3hahaha earhurts
06:04:13thumidknight2k3: I promise I'll share with earHurts
06:04:27earHurtsno cooking, no eating, no thanks
06:04:28midknight2k3You PROMISE to share?
06:04:41thuyeah.. I'll send him a steak
06:04:43midknight2k3Deal's off if earhurts disagrees
06:04:45thuor call him for dinner
06:04:53midknight2k3Ahh, no i don't think so
06:05:06earHurtsactually, the victim did eat some of himself too
06:05:20midknight2k3shut UP!!!
06:05:20thuoh he did?
06:05:30earHurtsdefinitely ewww
06:05:30thuraw or cooked?
06:05:40midknight2k3oh GOD.
06:06:03thumidknight2k3: see? I'll even let you have some
06:06:23midknight2k3Aw,, DUP SHPT - SHUTUP!
06:06:53thumidknight2k3: lol.. okay then.. tell me about syncing rockbox with the PC then
06:06:55earHurtsokay, stop, we're gonna sicken midk
06:07:06thuearHurts: yeah.. he's no good sickened
06:07:10midknight2k3listen to earhurts
06:07:11thuearHurts: he'll get all sour
06:07:20midknight2k3What do you mean, i'm NO GOOD SICKENED?
06:07:30midknight2k3I'm fine!
06:07:36midknight2k3how could you say that?
06:08:14midknight2k3If it shuts you up, yeah im sour.
06:08:37thubleh.. you're no good then
06:08:50midknight2k3Ask CHOPPEDLIVER
06:08:56midknight2k3he might take to it
06:09:06earHurts 12-metre mass of decomposing lumpy grey flesh apparently was an invertebrate.
06:09:23thuI don't like liver
06:09:27thuI'd rather have some ribs
06:09:50earHurtslump grey flesh is yummy
06:10:04thuaren't they cloning meat already?
06:10:19thulike pure meat.. you don't need all that extra stuff anyway
06:10:42earHurtsbut you can keep cell masses alive in a lab
06:10:55thuthat's a beginning
06:11:08midknight2k3THIS IS ROCKBOX CHAT.. not meat-cloning talk
06:11:14earHurtsneed a nutrient bath
06:11:18thubetter than freezing midknight2k3's chops
06:11:24thuit probably holds longer too
06:11:35earHurtsbut you can control the nutrient drip....
06:11:41midknight2k3let me calm down a bit and i won't be sour
06:11:45earHurtswith a rockbox plugin
06:11:59thuwhat's all this talk about rockbox plugins?
06:12:12thuI don't remember seing any plugins
06:12:17thuit it a new feature?
06:12:32midknight2k3but wait
06:12:40earHurtsit allows code to be dynamically loaded
06:12:46midknight2k3it says put your .rocks in .rockbox/rocks right?
06:12:51thuany interesting plugins out yet?
06:12:59midknight2k3WHERE DO YOU GET THE .ROCKs?
06:13:25*thu throws a big rock at midknight2k3
06:13:31earHurtsgo to the daily builds page, get the zip
06:13:53midknight2k3LET ME SEE then
06:14:05midknight2k3I see.
06:14:07midknight2k3I'm dumb.
06:14:08midknight2k3I see.
06:14:51*midknight2k3 returns THU's favor.
06:15:00midknight2k3There's lots of good ROCKS
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06:15:33thuisn't there a doom rock?
06:15:47*midknight2k3 throws a big rock at thu
06:15:52midknight2k3DOOM doesnt exist
06:16:06midknight2k3are you dumb or something?
06:16:24earHurtsviewer fails to link for me
06:16:28thumidknight2k3: sure it exists.. I saw the screenshot
06:16:34midknight2k3SHUT UP!
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06:16:52midknight2k3earhurts: what/
06:16:55thuI'll go grab my archos to test the rocks
06:17:10midknight2k3tell me how they are!
06:17:18midknight2k3i don't have mine, GR
06:17:46midknight2k3cool, i was sitting here when the new dailybuild came out
06:18:27earHurtsnew daily is out now??
06:18:37midknight2k3brand new
06:18:41midknight2k315 minutes old
06:18:52midknight2k3new playlist crap
06:19:18earHurtsgood, becuase the last one was imcomplete
06:21:35thuokay now.. where do I put the rocks?
06:21:50hardeepin the glass, with the scotch
06:21:53midknight2k3in " .rockbox\rocks
06:22:21thuI'm out of scotch unfortunatelly
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06:22:44hardeepwell, what are you doing on here then??? time to go to the store
06:22:45earHurtsmmm scotch
06:22:50thumidknight2k3: and it's .rockbox/rocks
06:22:58thuit's closed :(
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06:23:53earHurtsokay, making the daily
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06:24:26earHurtswhere's allofherclothesoff?
06:24:28midknight2k3i bet
06:25:31earHurtsnow it's time to whore a little slashdot karma
06:25:41earHurtsnot that I need more karma
06:26:05thuhow do I get to the rocks?
06:26:09thuI see a bunch of extra games
06:26:19thubut no hello world for example
06:26:35thudo all rocks go under Games?
06:27:03midknight2k3at the bottom of daily builds
06:27:25midknight2k3for your model click the "(rocks)" link
06:27:27thunah I mean how do you access them
06:27:34midknight2k3you need new dailybuild
06:27:41thudoh I just got it
06:28:36midknight2k3how are they?
06:28:38midknight2k3TELL ME!
06:28:45thudunno how do I get to them?
06:28:51thuI just see a bunch of extra games
06:28:52midknight2k3play them
06:29:00midknight2k3new dailybuild?
06:29:08thuis there supposed to be a 'rocks' menu?
06:29:14midknight2k3newEST dailybuild?
06:29:15thuor do they just show up under games and demos?
06:29:15midknight2k3no lol
06:29:22hardeepthu: there will be, but it's not there yet
06:29:29hardeepthu: re rocks menu
06:29:40hardeepthu: for now, just browse to the file and hit play
06:29:45midknight2k3can you "play" them?
06:29:47midknight2k3ah see
06:29:49thuhardeep: how can I browse to .rockbox?
06:29:50midknight2k3TOLD YA thu
06:29:56hardeepthu: show all files
06:30:00thuoh right
06:30:10midknight2k3hit F2, and make :show files = all
06:30:12thuI still need my charger though
06:30:12hardeepthe only .rock that can't be "played" directly is the viewer
06:30:16thumy battery is dying
06:30:26midknight2k3what is the viewer/what does it do?
06:30:31hardeepit's the text viewer
06:30:39midknight2k3a better one hopefully?
06:30:40hardeepplay a .txt file and it's loaded
06:30:51hardeepno, the same one for now... the new one should be in soon
06:30:53midknight2k3or the same old
06:30:56midknight2k3ok good
06:31:30thuI've been thinking about it and the syncer would be mostly on the PC
06:31:51thuthe only thing it should do on the archos is read the music list and write some things to a file
06:31:56thuthat the actual syncer can read
06:31:56midknight2k3any more BREAKTHROUGH thoughts, thu?
06:32:13thudoh just thinking out loud
06:32:27midknight2k3well ya thought of it before me
06:32:31midknight2k3it doesn't matter to me lol
06:33:32thuand what about stats?
06:34:09thusongs played the most
06:34:12thusongs never played
06:34:14thustuff like that
06:34:22thutotal playtime
06:35:03*thu is full of ideas today
06:35:16midknight2k3you want that thu?
06:35:18midknight2k3get a rioRIOT
06:35:30thugrrr I don't want to 'get' anything
06:35:39thuother than a rockbox daily build
06:36:13midknight2k3i see
06:37:35thuyay I found my charger
06:38:14thunow's the time when you cheer
06:39:27earHurtsit built!
06:39:41earHurtsand thu found his charger!
06:39:47midknight2k3YAY ALL
06:40:05thuhmm the loudness doesn't seem to kill the sound anymore
06:40:48midknight2k3he had a loudness problem
06:40:51earHurtsrocks work!
06:40:59thuso it seems
06:41:08midknight2k3like when loudness was 10db and the volume was >90dB it died
06:41:37midknight2k3i mean 90
06:42:46thuI like the oscillograph
06:42:55thuit should be part of the default wps
06:42:56midknight2k3you never tried it before?
06:43:02midknight2k3or is it different
06:43:03thusure I did but I still like it
06:43:07thunah same thing
06:43:14midknight2k3on the WPS would be cool
06:46:27thuwho's Cyborg Systems?
06:46:37midknight2k3no idea
06:47:08midknight2k3where do you see that?
06:47:18thuthey seem to have written othello
06:47:29midknight2k3what's othello?
06:47:32midknight2k3a game?
06:48:06earHurtsyep just won it 43 to 21
06:48:33thusokoban doesn't find its levels
06:48:43midknight2k3i know
06:48:52midknight2k3they have to go in .rockbox\sokoban
06:49:04midknight2k3IT has to go in there
06:49:12earHurtsdid yiu copy levels.txt to the srchos?
06:49:26midknight2k3put it in .rockbox\sokoban
06:49:42thuhow do you play othello?
06:50:24midknight2k3no idea
06:50:28midknight2k3here's an idea
06:50:48earHurtsit's like a simple version of go
06:51:04earHurtsand othello is trademarked in this context
06:51:13earHurtswe need to change the name
06:51:23thueither i'm crazy or the radio works better under rockbox
06:51:35midknight2k3it does
06:51:45thutesting firmware..
06:51:53earHurtsit worked louder until I asked linux why );
06:52:31thuhmm guess not
06:52:40thuit sounds okay on the firmware too
06:52:41earHurtsless buffer space ion this version
06:52:57midknight2k3because the plugin loader uses it
06:52:58earHurtsbut it seems faster
06:53:17midknight2k3what seems faster/
06:53:30earHurtsdir browsing
06:53:54earHurtsotoh I have a patch that may slow dir browsing slightly
06:54:09earHurtswhich patch isn't in the build I just did
06:54:36midknight2k3wait what?
06:54:45midknight2k3and what patch?
06:54:51thu[Linux] thu@dusty rockbox $ wtf is otoh
06:54:51thuOTOH: on the other hand
06:55:13midknight2k3you know whagt
06:55:19earHurtsprivate patch, haven't ever released it
06:55:29midknight2k3if you look at it it sounds like "although" and that means the same thing as "on the other hand" too!
06:55:43midknight2k3what does it do, EARHURTS?
06:55:52earHurtswell, you can d/l a binary with the patch
06:56:12earHurtsit removes a prefix from displayed filenames
06:56:49thuhmm a sync could also download the latest build
06:57:13earHurts01- Track Name.mp3 -> Track Name.mpe
06:57:36earHurtsso you can sort by track number but not waste display space on it
06:58:01*earHurts has long long filenames
06:58:09midknight2k3i see
06:58:18earHurtsup to 119 chars
06:58:23midknight2k3it saves 4 charaters worth
06:58:33midknight2k3good job
06:58:56earHurtswell, you can set it to chop at or after a charcter of several types
06:59:30midknight2k3release to public
07:00:04earHurtsbut I need to finalize my other unreleased patch
07:00:13midknight2k3what does ITdo
07:00:49earHurtssaves 3KB and nakes adding settings less of a pain in the ass
07:00:59midknight2k3adding settings?
07:01:39earHurtsin the code, you have to add code in 4 different places to add a savable setting
07:01:56earHurtsit's a pain
07:02:44midknight2k3i bet
07:06:11earHurtsmy gf's dissing me for independence day, and i'm afraids of terrorists, so I'll do the patches then
07:06:29midknight2k3whatever lol
07:07:24earHurtshey, my slashdot comments at 3 points already!
07:08:00midknight2k3I will see
07:09:02midknight2k3how neat
07:09:52earHurtssco bashing is a real crowd pleaser
07:10:03midknight2k3yeah lol
07:13:42earHurts4 pints now
07:14:00midknight2k3sorry hang on
07:17:27midknight2k34 points
07:17:43thuyay I subscribed to emusic
07:17:52thuthe bastards have a site that only works with internet explorer
07:18:03midknight2k3i see
07:18:18thuif I get crap like that when trying to download I'll drop my subscription and send them a nice appreciative email
07:18:46earHurts8 fives in my last 24
07:18:48midknight2k3i wanna see this
07:19:26earHurtsoh yeah, doesn't work with mozilla. shoulda mentioned taht
07:19:40thuwhat does it work with then?
07:19:54thufsck ie
07:20:02thulol.. linux client and it only works with ie?! :)))
07:20:04midknight2k3FSCK IE
07:20:16earHurtsyeah, i only use ie for emusic
07:21:00earHurtswhat emusic albums did you see of interest?
07:21:08thuI didn't see anything yet
07:21:26thuactually.. some new age
07:21:37earHurtsyou like that?
07:21:52thuwell.. some of it
07:21:57earHurtslook for bamboo rainsticks
07:22:04midknight2k3ROCK ON!
07:22:06midknight2k3WOO OOOH!
07:22:14midknight2k3GO EARHURNTS!!
07:22:37thuumm the emusic signup page doesn't work at all now
07:22:47earHurtsemail em
07:23:22midknight2k3it's busted?
07:23:29midknight2k3THU YOU FSCKING BUSTED IT!
07:23:39thuI fskin busted my whole machine
07:23:43thuI can't seem to get at anything over the net
07:23:52midknight2k3oh no
07:24:06earHurtsyou killed the interweb!
07:24:20thuwtf irc is the only thing that still works for me
07:24:31midknight2k3fscking IRC!
07:24:31*earHurts has disconnected (interweb killed!)
07:24:40midknight2k3he's still here
07:24:45midknight2k3umm earhurts
07:24:48thuthe bastards have killed the dns again
07:24:57midknight2k3you need quotation marks around the comment
07:25:07earHurtsoh, righr
07:25:15earHurtsi don't irc much
07:25:30thuno you don't
07:25:30*midknight2k3 has disconnected ("interweb killed!")
07:25:35thuonly if it's a comment
07:25:37earHurtsI was briefly an op in #c++ though
07:25:39thuif it's a server message it has no comments
07:25:52midknight2k3it needs to be QUIT
07:26:05*midknight2k3 has quit IRC (Quit:"INTERWEB KILLED!")
07:26:16*thu has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
07:27:01midknight2k3it's "xxxxx has quit IRC" not "xxxx has quit"
07:27:19thufor me it's xxx has quit
07:27:24thuit depends on the client
07:27:34midknight2k3that's discrimination!
07:27:45midknight2k3Thu - xxxx
07:27:47midknight2k3i mean
07:27:50midknight2k3thu - xxxx
07:27:54midknight2k3i mean
07:27:56midknight2k3thu - xxx
07:28:04midknight2k3like xxx means you
07:28:34thu<midknight2k3> it's "xxxxx has quit IRC" not "xxxx has quit"
07:28:41thu5 x's , 4 x's
07:28:47thuI just logically continued with 3 x's
07:29:12midknight2k3i thought you mean your sekf
07:29:15midknight2k3fsck me
07:29:23thuhehe betcha you didn't see this coming
07:29:36midknight2k3i did too!! grr!
07:30:04earHurtsyou two should be a vaudeville act
07:30:06midknight2k3I knew it!
07:30:17midknight2k3god... dsmn it!
07:30:40midknight2k3stupid fscking dsmn ssithead
07:30:45midknight2k3why didnt i see this coming
07:30:58midknight2k3VAUDEVILLE my... wait
07:31:04midknight2k3the "s" thing doesnt work on "ass"
07:31:44midknight2k3im such a fscking idiot!
07:31:58midknight2k3xxx means thu not logicvally continued
07:33:20thudarn I had this song I really liked
07:33:24thunow I can't find it on emusic
07:33:28midknight2k3and you fsckin lost it!
07:33:31midknight2k3fsck you!
07:33:51thumidknight2k3: go find it!
07:34:27midknight2k3i cant fsckin find the fsckin song
07:34:57thudarn so much music
07:35:29midknight2k3too much?
07:39:38thuyay my mouse battery is dead
07:42:25thuyou weren't supposed to cheer for that
07:43:36thumm fresh meat
07:43:39thuI mean battery
07:46:42thumidknight2k3: yaaaay I found the song
07:47:32thuAncient Future - Ne Po Pogrebu Bochonochek
07:47:42midknight2k3never heard of it?
07:48:22thume neither but it sounds good
07:48:47DBUGEnqueued KICK thu
07:49:34midknight2k3you can let me hear something through your subscription?
07:50:10earHurtsviolates the contract
07:50:24thumidknight2k3: nah that's the hi quality sample
07:50:30thuearHurts: I get Unable to connect
07:50:31midknight2k3i hear nothing
07:50:38earHurtsI won't even do it for close friends I've known for years
07:51:00midknight2k3that's noble, earHurts
07:51:11***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
07:51:13thumidknight2k3: go to and search for ancient future
07:51:23midknight2k3i will
07:51:29earHurtsI don't like anything that smacks of stealing
07:51:33thumidknight2k3: you can browse their stuff and listen to hi quality samples
07:51:45thuearHurts: then tell me what this is
07:51:52thuDownload failed (Unable to connect)
07:52:10earHurtsyour firewall
07:52:39earHurtsdownload manager wants to connect out, to a port 80
07:52:58thuI don't really have a firewall
07:53:05thuand nothing limits outgoing connections
07:53:10earHurtsyou're a smart guy, and only allow your web proxy to do that
07:53:29thuI'm a smart guy but have no web proxy
07:53:48earHurtswell, it's firewall or dns
07:54:15earHurtsi added a firewall rule for download manager
07:54:46thudoes their client have a log of some kind?
07:54:55earHurtsdon't know
07:55:03earHurtsdoubt it
07:56:04midknight2k3be back in a few mins ok
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08:11:52thuno way to make it work
08:11:58thuI sent a help request
08:12:05midknight2k3oh well
08:12:32thucrappy windows users site
08:12:40midknight2k3get a mac
08:12:46midknight2k3then use itunes music store
08:13:21thuyeah.. a mac and a million bux
08:13:41midknight2k3how much $$ emusic?
08:13:46thuyou can pay $10 / month for unlimited dl
08:14:00thuand they seem to have some interesting music
08:14:02thunot all that radio crap
08:19:06thuI wonder how long it'll take them to get back to me
08:19:29midknight2k3hopefully not long
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08:46:23midknight2k3aha youre still here
08:46:27midknight2k3and thu's back!
08:46:31midknight2k3what time is it there?
08:46:33earHurtsgoing to bed soon
08:46:46thuI'm trying to figure out what this emusic client is trying to do
08:46:58thubut afaict it's not even accessing the network
08:47:00midknight2k3came for earhurts' help?
08:47:04earHurtsmake an http connection
08:47:20thuI get no packets going through when retrying the transfer
08:47:37earHurtsexit it
08:47:40thuthat's why I closed all net apps.. I didn't want any extra traffic
08:47:43dwihnoanyone here (except me) who's experiencing red led death?
08:47:52thuit does do a dns lookup when I start it
08:47:54earHurtsdlmgr doesn't retry real well
08:48:31earHurtsand email emusic −− make it their problem solves it for you and othe linux users
08:48:58midknight2k3that didnt make sens
08:49:05midknight2k3can you clarify?
08:49:49thuI already did
08:49:51thunow I'm waiting
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09:37:18midknight2k3haha you're still here?
09:37:25midknight2k3waiting for a response proabaly
09:38:12thuI'm remapping my keys around
09:38:20midknight2k3what time is it there?
09:38:25thush: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
09:38:25thush: -c: line 1: `time'
09:38:30thuoops :P
09:38:32thuWed Jul 2 00:35:20 PDT 2003
09:38:51midknight2k3it's 12:35?
09:38:59midknight2k3same here!
09:38:59thuno.. it's 00:35
09:39:14thu12:35 means noon :P
09:39:16midknight2k3very informative
09:39:31midknight2k3ok lol
09:39:34midknight2k312:35 AM
09:39:52thuI hate 12h time
09:40:44thuyou have to specify am/pm
09:40:57thuI'd love a decimal time system
09:41:04thujust like the swatch internet time
09:41:17thuit's @360 right now
09:41:51midknight2k3earHurts is deaD?
09:42:40CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
09:42:40*thu pokes earHurts
09:43:07midknight2k3I guess you're good for a laugh
09:43:23*thu nods..
09:43:26thuhe's dead alright
09:43:40midknight2k3i got it!
09:43:48midknight2k3logbot: seen earHurts?
09:44:17midknight2k3CRAPPY LOGBOT
09:44:20thu!seen earHurts
09:44:22thu.seen earHurts
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09:44:41thunobody seen him
09:44:45thuhe's not among us anymore
09:44:47midknight2k3OH GOD
09:44:55midknight2k3you see earhurts is here right?
09:45:16midknight2k3I put in "/msg logbot seen earHurts?"
09:45:26midknight2k3he says:
09:45:26midknight2k3-logbot- You need glasses badly
09:45:31midknight2k3try it!
09:45:34midknight2k3it's fun
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09:45:52midknight2k3-logbot- I have never seen 'earhurts?'
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09:51:52thu-logbot- Yeah, I see you. Boy, you're ugly ;)
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09:52:27midknight2k3i got it!
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09:52:43midknight2k3-logbot- Yes, I am here.
10:13:46midknight2k3anything else?
10:13:50midknight2k3i'm tired
10:14:34midknight2k3good night
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10:19:27Schnueffkewl got no EOF from sourceforge :)
10:20:56dwihnoSchnueff: you got the red led dead problem?
10:21:06Schnueffi guess not
10:21:13Schnueffbut i don't shake it anyway...
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16:31:50dwihnohardeep: nice playlist feature
16:35:36hardeepdwihno: thanks
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19:34:11midknight2k3did you get a response?
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19:35:18thumidknight2k3: naw
19:35:38midknight2k3EMUSIC SUX
19:35:45midknight2k3we need earHurts.
19:50:29midknight2k3be back in a minute
19:50:33midknight2k3or five ;)
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20:07:21midknight2k3i am back
20:08:39midknight2k3that Archos AV-340 looks nice doesn't it
20:11:13thuyeah so do $600 in my pocket
20:11:28midknight2k3yes i guess
20:11:36midknight2k3i wish i could have one for free
20:12:33Quelsaruki wish i could have $600
20:12:57midknight2k3well if you want to go that way, I wish I had a billon billion dollars.
20:21:49Quelsaruki want to be realistic ;)
20:22:12midknight2k3i wish i could have $602.50
20:32:33*Stevie[FP] yawns
20:33:09Stevie[FP]nobody here would happen to be familiar with writing wdm device drivers, would they?
20:38:11hardeepStevie[FP]: just the basics
21:05:13Quelsarukcu tomorrow
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21:15:51Zagorhi guys
21:16:02midknight2k3hye it's Zagor!
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21:17:38midknight2k3hye and tracktheripper
21:17:47tracktheripperhi midknighty
21:18:07midknight2k3see the new plugin system
21:19:15tracktheripperyea I saw
21:19:17tracktheripperand Sokoban works
21:19:25midknight2k3it didn't beforee?
21:19:39midknight2k3you didn't put the LEVELS in .rockbox\sokoban!
21:20:03tracktheripperI DID!
21:20:11midknight2k3you know whats cool
21:20:18midknight2k3you can now make your OWN levels!
21:21:44Zagordid you guys try 'star' yet? it's a bit like sokoban too
21:21:55midknight2k3i can't for a while
21:22:36tracktheripperyea I tried Star
21:22:49tracktheripperZagor how about a basic driving or flight simulation game?
21:23:01midknight2k3not flight sim
21:23:02Zagorsure, if anyone writes it.
21:23:06hardeepi wonder if all the star levels can be beaten... i remember getting stuck at one last year
21:23:09Zagori haven't written any of the current games
21:23:11midknight2k3wouldn't flight sim b real hard?
21:23:21Zagorhardeep: hehe
21:23:49midknight2k3zagor - doesn't a plugin have to be size-limited?
21:23:49Zagormidknight2k3: depends on how flashy graphics you want
21:23:55midknight2k3like it can't be a real big game
21:24:00hardeepZagor: i had a thought about plugin versioning...
21:24:03tracktherippernot something like Microsoft Flight Simulator, something like Space Impact!
21:24:05Zagormidknight2k3: yes, 32k. but you can fit a lot of stuff in 32k
21:24:11midknight2k3haha track
21:24:16Zagorhardeep: ok?
21:24:23midknight2k3i wouldn't know.
21:24:29hardeepZagor: so long as we just add new functions to the api structure... the plugin code should be backwards compatible
21:24:36tracktheripperthe Flippit game is pretty addictive
21:24:40Zagorhardeep: yes
21:24:44hardeepZagor: so could we change the version check to <=
21:25:02hardeepZagor: saves people from having to recompile plugins every time a new function is added
21:25:10Zagorhardeep: no. because new plugins expect all functions to be there. running them on an old rockbox would thus make it crash
21:25:19MThmm - my £0.02 - keep the plugins as .rock extension
21:25:20tracktheripperZagor with this plug-in system is there an unlimited of plugins that can be put in the .rocks folder?
21:25:28Zagortracktheripper: yes
21:25:29hardeepZagor: right, we're not forwards compatible... but we are backwards compatible
21:25:36MT(reading through mail list)
21:25:41hardeepso, if plugin version <= current version, we're okay
21:25:46midknight2k3cool - in a bit we'll have lots of addons
21:26:03midknight2k3zagor - you guys should make a "rocks" area similar to the patches section
21:26:06Zagorhardeep: ah, now i read what you're saying :-)
21:26:13midknight2k3so people can share what they make
21:26:13tracktheripperAn ID3 editor and a comprehensive playlist maker and a basic song editor would be good ideas for plugins
21:26:15Zagormidknight2k3: yes, that's been suggested
21:26:57Zagorhardeep: the question is - what do we do if one of the old functions changes some parameters?
21:27:06hardeepZagor: and just in case a change breaks backwards compatibility... we could also have a min_version define... so if min version <= plugin version <= current version, we're good
21:27:07tracktheripperZagor how about a way to implement your OWN picture for the Sliding Puzzle plug-in?
21:27:17midknight2k3calm down track!
21:27:28Zagortracktheripper: don't ask me, ask the guy who wrote that plugin
21:27:28midknight2k3you're overexcited
21:27:42Zagori "only" wrote the plugin system
21:27:53midknight2k3good job
21:27:57midknight2k3even though i didnt test it yet
21:28:00tracktherippervery good job
21:28:08tracktheripperworks great midknighty
21:28:17midknight2k3i bet
21:28:26midknight2k3if Zagor wrote it!
21:29:08tracktheripperI wrote the Star game :-)
21:29:20midknight2k3you.... wish.
21:31:53Zagori think i found the reason why player STOP broke
21:32:08Zagormpeg.c:2977 PAIOR |= 0x0800; /* output for /PR */
21:32:33Zagorbutton.c:338 if ( !(porta & 0x800) )
21:32:34Zagor btn |= BUTTON_STOP | BUTTON_DOWN;
21:32:44Zagoroops :-)
21:33:13tracktheripperZagor Midknight wants a feature to change the colour of the LCD backlight
21:33:26midknight2k3yes i do!
21:33:29midknight2k3how can i?
21:33:33Zagorchange the leds
21:33:39midknight2k3i knew that!
21:34:10MTZagor: is there a way to specify that a plugin is loaded immediately on boot up?
21:35:29ZagorMT: no
21:36:03Zagorwhen would you want that?
21:36:57MTi use my fm as an alarm clock and a 'falling asleep' music
21:37:14MTunfortunately, i cant wake up at the same volume as i can fall asleep to
21:38:42MTso i thought a simple plugin to power off and set the rtc after a set time, and then on bootup to gradually increase the volume
21:38:54MTi dont mean rtc
21:39:49tracktherippermidknight u also wanted the LCD to be like a touchscreen on a PDA :-P
21:39:59midknight2k3I sure did
21:40:14Zagori want it to print refill my visa card
21:41:00tracktheripperand I want it to show Zagor's face on the LCD when the USB cable is plugged in :-)
21:41:12midknight2k3yes please
21:41:16MTthats feasible
21:41:39tracktheripperu could even do an "animated face" on the LCD so the mouth moves in sync with the song lyrics!
21:47:55midknight2k3i have a better idea
21:48:00midknight2k3SCROLLING LYRICS
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21:49:59tracktherippera bpm counter would be cool
21:50:20midknight2k3private message thing
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21:56:56tracktheripperWELCOME EVERYONE
21:57:13midknight2k3why didnt you want me to go to sourceforge
21:58:37tracktheripperi did not mention sauceforge
21:58:42tracktheripperor something like that
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21:59:03midknight2k3are you okay, tracktheripper?
21:59:18tracktherippersorry spelling error
21:59:27midknight2k3yes you did!
21:59:41midknight2k3you said "please don't go to sourceforge! :(" or something
21:59:49tracktheripperno i didn't
21:59:58midknight2k3YES YOU DID!
22:00:55tracktheripperno i didn't and don't shout :-)
22:00:57midknight2k3thats why you kept dying!
22:01:02midknight2k3-lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. We just experienced extreme lag on a US hub; we've swapped in backup hubbing arrangements and hope they will remain stable. Apologies for the inconvenience, and thank you for using freenode.
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22:02:03Neohey everyone
22:02:10tracktheripperonly asked for a driver that is digitally signed
22:02:27midknight2k3what track?
22:02:29Neoim thinking about buying a archos jukebox 20 recorder?
22:02:30midknight2k3you're confusing
22:02:34Neois it worth the money
22:02:37midknight2k3good idea
22:02:40midknight2k3VERY much
22:02:44tracktheripperits in sourceforge
22:02:48midknight2k3with rockbxo especially
22:03:00Neoi was going to update to rockbox
22:03:12Neoare the're any major glithces
22:03:15Neolike locking up
22:03:15midknight2k3as long as it's a recorder
22:03:20midknight2k3not that i know
22:03:30midknight2k3and there's a new plugin loader!
22:03:30ZagorNeo: no
22:03:39midknight2k3so people can make stuff for it like agmes and stuff
22:03:52Neoplugin loader?
22:03:58tracktheripperyou can't make agmes
22:04:15Neowhere can i find this
22:04:16midknight2k3yep - lots of stuff
22:04:21midknight2k3it's now in rockbox
22:04:24tracktheripperu said agmes!
22:04:27ZagorNeo: it's in the daily builds
22:04:28midknight2k3i meant games
22:04:43Neoi think ill get one
22:04:45ZagorNeo: which model do you have?
22:04:53midknight2k3he's going to get a recorder 20
22:05:03tracktheripperMidknight there is a numberplate for sale that reads L1 NUS
22:05:20Neoo thanks, im thinking of getting one
22:06:05Neocompare to ipod?
22:06:25midknight2k3iPod is a bit smaller and stuff but archos has rockbox, i'd take archos over ipod any day
22:06:28Zagoripods only strengths are the size and the mac integration
22:06:36tracktheripperbut the Ipod feels nicer
22:06:40tracktheripperi held one
22:06:57midknight2k3you held an ipod?
22:06:58Neome too
22:07:01Neomy friend has one
22:07:05tracktheripperthe Archos is a breeze block in comparison :-(
22:07:12Neohow is the sound on the archos?
22:07:18midknight2k3very good as well
22:07:24midknight2k3rockbox improves it most people agree
22:07:27ZagorNeo: ask him what happens when you play big tracks. or how you make it play songs gapless.
22:07:41midknight2k3yeah hahah
22:08:10Neohe sais it plays perfectly
22:08:31ZagorNeo: most people say that, until they try players that don't leave gaps :)
22:08:42Zagoranyway, i'm biased...
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22:08:55tracktheripperu don;t like the Player Zagor......
22:09:03Neowhat do u mean by gaps
22:09:30Zagora short moment of silence between two songs
22:09:39Zagoror sometimes even in the middle of songs
22:09:55Neolike a skip?
22:10:04Zagorno, just a pause
22:10:12Neohe sais no pause
22:10:27Neodoes the archos have pauses?
22:10:52Zagorrockbox doesn't, if your data is gapless
22:11:08Neou mean, the copy of the song
22:11:13Neoif its perfect
22:11:16Neoit wont pause
22:11:30Neohow does rockbox look
22:11:38midknight2k3very nice
22:11:45midknight2k3they pay good attention to the interface
22:11:50midknight2k3custom fonts and stuff
22:11:51Neois the backlight good>?
22:11:57midknight2k3bright green
22:12:02midknight2k3works well
22:12:12Neohow much was urs?
22:12:24midknight2k3I have an fm recorder
22:12:26tracktheripperbacklight doesn't drain the batteries much
22:12:30midknight2k3i used to have a recorder
22:12:38midknight2k3i leave my backlight on all day every day
22:12:52Neodo u like the recorder better?
22:12:55midknight2k3i don't remember the cost, like 279.99 at best buy
22:13:01midknight2k3they're very similar
22:13:09ZagorNeo: you want the recorder. it has a much better display.
22:13:09tracktheripperthe Player can only display characters on its LCD
22:13:18midknight2k3fm recorder is a bit better it has a lithium battery and a radio
22:13:19tracktheripperit only has 22 character cells
22:13:21tracktheripperthe Player
22:13:21Neoone has a fm tunre though
22:13:47midknight2k3to clarify: recorder 20 and fm recorder 20
22:13:53Neoum, the lithium battery compared to the aa rechargable
22:14:04Zagoraa wins easily
22:14:12midknight2k3fm recorder is the recorder with a lithium ion battery, fm tuner, and an alarm function
22:14:15Neoits 10 hrs right
22:14:26midknight2k3about that
22:14:26thubleh .. still no reply
22:14:27Zagordepends on which batteries you use.
22:14:30tracktheripperyea but Zagor li-ion cells don't have the "memory defect"
22:14:34midknight2k3sorry thu lol
22:14:39tracktheripperNi-MH cells do
22:14:43Zagorone guy just reported 15 hours on the list with 2100 mAh batteries
22:15:03tracktheripperyea but Zagor NiMH cells need replacing every now and then
22:15:04Zagortracktheripper: you should read a bit before claiming that
22:15:09tracktheripperbecause of the "memory defect"
22:15:15tracktheripperi have read that Zagor
22:15:16midknight2k3uy yuyuy
22:15:20Zagortracktheripper: yeah, for $0.98 a piece. boohoo.
22:15:24midknight2k3calm down uyuyuy
22:15:37thulol.. you can buy a song with that money :)
22:15:45tracktheripperyea but then you spoil the battery covers when you keep removing them
22:15:47midknight2k3you need a penny more
22:16:01midknight2k3"SPOIL the BATTERY COVERS"?
22:16:08midknight2k3im glad logbot keeps this logged
22:16:13midknight2k3i shall return one day and laugh
22:16:16Zagortracktheripper: you're really desperate for reasons, aren't you?
22:16:24midknight2k3i agree with zagor
22:16:27tracktheripperthats just me Zagor :-)
22:16:30midknight2k3how do you spoil the battery covers
22:16:40midknight2k3stop confusing neo
22:16:53tracktheripperthey get scratched
22:16:59midknight2k3Neo, there is no such thing as spoiling the battery covers
22:17:05midknight2k3boo hoo!
22:17:17tracktheripperand they don't fit properly after a while..........
22:17:24midknight2k3leave them off then track
22:17:35midknight2k3get replacements
22:17:41midknight2k3do something so you shut up
22:17:47tracktheripperbut then that spoils' the Archo's good looks :-P
22:17:59midknight2k3good luck
22:17:59Neoso, archos or ipod
22:18:02midknight2k3pick the archos!
22:18:11Neoill stay on
22:18:12midknight2k3ar-chos! ar-chos!
22:18:19Neoto talk a bit
22:18:23tracktheripperi-pod i-pod!
22:18:30midknight2k3to watch tracktheripper get furious over the spoilt battery covers?
22:18:30Neoi like archos
22:18:44ZagorNeo: it's pretty easy. if you value size more than features, go for ipod. if you want features, go for archos
22:19:00midknight2k3and zagor, it has many many better features with rockbox
22:19:34Neohow heavy is the archos
22:19:43tracktherippernot that heavy
22:19:49tracktheripperbut it doesn't fit in a shirt pocket
22:19:59midknight2k3it nearly does track
22:20:05midknight2k3the ipod is the only thing that can
22:20:08Neohow is the case
22:20:17midknight2k3it feels solid
22:20:20midknight2k3i liked that part
22:20:20tracktheripperits made of wet suit material
22:20:26Zagorit's 220g or something. don't remember exactly.
22:20:33midknight2k3don't comfuse the hungry customer
22:20:37midknight2k3i thuink its 120g
22:20:44Neocan u operate inside the case?
22:20:52midknight2k3modifications? yes
22:20:59tracktheripperand Neo, the Archos shows up as a drive in My Computer
22:21:02midknight2k3people replace the hard drive
22:21:04tracktheripperso you just drag and drop onto it
22:21:09midknight2k3yeah it's like a portable hard drivwe
22:21:13ZagorNeo: the case it ships with is a simple neoprene pocket type
22:21:28Neois it easy 2 use in the case
22:21:37midknight2k3you cant use it in the case
22:21:39tracktheripperyou can't use it in the case as there is no holes
22:21:41midknight2k3you have to take it out :(
22:21:48Zagoryou can, but it's not very easy
22:21:49midknight2k3you could cut holes
22:21:52tracktheripperbut you can always cut holes it it
22:21:54Neothat sucks
22:21:56midknight2k3you can feel for the buttons heh
22:22:05tracktheripperor you could always sew one up yourself
22:22:10midknight2k3the play one sticks up a bit
22:22:10Neoat least it protects it
22:22:19midknight2k3that's the main purpose
22:22:26tracktheripperor you could wrap it in clingfilm........... :-)
22:22:31midknight2k3it does a good job - its very cushiony
22:22:32tracktheripperprotection and usability!
22:22:34Neohave u heard of the classic jukebox
22:22:51Neoarchos better?
22:22:51midknight2k3never buy one
22:22:55Neoso ive heard
22:23:02midknight2k3recorder is best
22:23:07tracktheripperBut you can always use the 22 character cells for graphics since they are close together......
22:23:08ZagorNeo: are you talking about the the old Personal Jukebox?
22:23:13Neois another rockbox versions comming out
22:23:21midknight2k3every day usually
22:23:28midknight2k3it goes on for very long time
22:23:29Zagorwe release a daily build every day
22:23:37Neonew games?
22:23:40midknight2k3sometimes its got new stuff in it
22:23:45Zagorthere's not always new stuff every day, though
22:23:45midknight2k3with the new plugin loader, yes
22:23:52midknight2k3yeah - sometimes
22:23:54Neowhere is the plugin loader?
22:24:02midknight2k3in the newest rockbox daily build
22:24:05midknight2k3built in
22:24:15midknight2k3then you get files it can load like games and demos
22:24:21midknight2k3soon other stuff
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22:24:30midknight2k3applications and stuff
22:24:56Neois thuat replaced everyday?
22:25:00midknight2k3under the daily builds section
22:25:08midknight2k3you need the .rockbox folder in there
22:25:16Neofound it
22:25:18midknight2k3and a new firmware file - daily build
22:25:24Neodo i get the top one?
22:25:31midknight2k3hang on
22:25:49midknight2k3i think at the bottom
22:26:14Neoso id get archos20030702.ajz
22:26:38midknight2k3get the 2.0 version and use that one's .rockbox, a new dailybuild (the one you just said) and the rocks for it
22:26:59midknight2k3the .rockbox is a folder with fonts and stuff inside it
22:27:12Neoi have taht
22:27:13midknight2k3you need that from the
22:27:13midknight2k3> no
22:27:14Neothen i get
22:27:17Neoand install that?
22:27:30midknight2k3but you need to rename it to "ajbrec.ajz"
22:27:48midknight2k3and put it on the archos in the root directory
22:27:56midknight2k3then you need the rocks
22:27:59midknight2k3the plugins
22:28:02Neothen do i put that on the jukebox?
22:28:24midknight2k3put the rocks in the .rockbox folder under a new folder called "rocks"
22:28:30midknight2k3and you're all set
22:28:40Neois rocks
22:28:56midknight2k3right by it see
22:29:05midknight2k3it says rocks
22:29:08midknight2k3you need those
22:29:11midknight2k3which are plugins
22:29:18Neoall three of them?
22:29:32midknight2k3just the one next to the version youre getting
22:29:37midknight2k3in this case the bottom one
22:29:44midknight2k3and that's that
22:29:51Neoand what do i do with the ajc?
22:29:55midknight2k3then you get to put your stuff on it and check it out
22:30:03midknight2k3ajz you mean?
22:30:11midknight2k3rename the firmware file
22:30:16Neoto what
22:30:34midknight2k3which is Archos JukeBox RECorder
22:30:56midknight2k3then it goes on the archos - in the root directory
22:30:57Neodo i jsut drag that one file onto the jukebox
22:31:04Neothen the rocks folder
22:31:04midknight2k3but not in a folder
22:31:27Neothe rocks
22:31:29midknight2k3you need to name the firmware, then put it on the archos
22:31:38midknight2k3then get the .rockbox and put it on the archos
22:31:51Neoand taht has a rock folder in it
22:31:53Neowith the rocks
22:31:55midknight2k3then put all the rocks in the .rockbox folder under a folder inside of .rockbox called rocks
22:32:07midknight2k3you need to make a rocks folder in .rockbox
22:32:10midknight2k3it's not there yet
22:32:22Neotahts what i mean
22:32:34midknight2k3it's "rocks" too not "rock"
22:32:54Neothe zip already had a ajbrec.ajz
22:32:55Neoin it
22:32:58Neoshould i use that one
22:33:07Neouse the good one
22:33:08midknight2k3just use the .rockbox
22:33:16midknight2k3the new daily build is the ajz you want
22:33:29midknight2k3the ajz in the recorder package is old
22:33:36midknight2k3daily builds are newer
22:33:39Neothis rockbox-daily-20030702.tar.gz?
22:33:55midknight2k3unless you can compile it youself
22:34:08Neothis one?
22:34:39midknight2k3rename that to the ajbrec.ajz and put it in the root of the archos
22:34:53midknight2k3then the rocks and all
22:34:56Neoitll be clear probably once i get it
22:35:02Neobut i have to go now
22:35:02midknight2k3you can pick a font too
22:35:05midknight2k3i use atadore
22:35:12midknight2k3and the WPS is customizable
22:35:12Neothanks for the tips guys
22:35:15midknight2k3ok bye
22:35:20Neoill get one within the next few days
22:35:26midknight2k3come back when you do
22:35:28Neoare u always online?
22:35:33Neoon thsi channel
22:35:36midknight2k3not me but i am most of the time
22:35:47midknight2k3a lot of people stay here but don't really look at it
22:35:56midknight2k3i come in a lot though
22:36:04midknight2k3all right
22:36:14midknight2k3you can also
22:36:23midknight2k3look at how to do the wps and all
22:36:42midknight2k3we can talk about that later
22:36:54midknight2k3it's not important yet
22:36:58midknight2k3not till you get it ;)
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22:37:33midknight2k3all right
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23:04:14midknight2k3DONT GO
23:04:24midknight2k3when did you get here?
23:08:08[IDC]DragonHi Björn, do you read?
23:08:25midknight2k3Yes he does.
23:08:39[IDC]DragonCan he speak for himself?
23:08:58[IDC]DragonI just had a premiere: (drumroll)
23:09:07midknight2k3WHAT'S THAT?
23:09:28[IDC]DragonI've flashed a full firmware using my UART boot.
23:09:45midknight2k3you mean....?
23:10:31[IDC]DragonNot Rockbox yet, but by this I've upgrades a 1.26 recorder to 1.28
23:10:49midknight2k3very cool
23:10:59[IDC]DragonNow I'm working on the 2nd level boot loader we talked about.
23:11:38Zagorgreat. i'm looking forward to trying it.
23:11:50[IDC]DragonWell, I'd minimize the chat for a while to compose an image containing Rockbox.
23:12:42[IDC]DragonIt's mostly handcrafting by now, no tooling to author it exists yet.
23:12:43midknight2k3so will this soon be something all users can do?
23:13:04midknight2k3some sort of a firmwar you can run that puts rockbox in flash or wahtever
23:13:30[IDC]DragonOK, I'm off for a while, just wanted to share tha moment of success with you.
23:13:44midknight2k3very cool
23:14:00midknight2k3thank you for sharing
23:17:07midknight2k3who bets rockbox will make it to flash this year
23:17:16midknight2k3i mean this month :)
23:17:57midknight2k3the only thing i am sure of is that you can never be sure of anything
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23:33:14Jamedquick question, i skimmed the last 5 months of the mailing list and didnt find anything,
23:34:01JamedHow does one "play" a .wps? I can't get view any of them on the player's file-browser
23:34:16midknight2k3press F2
23:34:26midknight2k3then choose Show Files: All
23:34:30midknight2k3then F2 again
23:34:38midknight2k3should make them come up
23:34:52Zagor"supported" is enough, but of course "all" works too
23:34:54JamedI use player, not recorder, so no F2
23:35:15Zagorthen go to menu->general->file view
23:35:24midknight2k3beat me to it zagor :)
23:35:45JamedOk, that worked ;D thanks to both of you.
23:36:14*Zagor is making dwinho very happy...
23:36:21*midknight2k3 asks how
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23:36:32Zagorsnake is back!
23:36:40midknight2k3or wormlet?
23:36:46midknight2k3you had snake before?
23:36:57midknight2k3YES! YAY!
23:37:08midknight2k3Wormlet is similar though
23:37:11MTi ought to submit my wormlet patch :/
23:37:16midknight2k3if you use MT's patch
23:37:26MTrewrite it for rocks
23:37:33midknight2k3just one player and one worm, no arghs, and that's that
23:37:33Zagorthere can never be too many snake games :-)
23:37:39midknight2k3yeah yayay!
23:38:38MTZagor: mine lets you set almost anything in wormlet, so you get snake, wormlet, moster-sized-argh-wormlet, slow-old-granny-snake etc etc
23:38:54midknight2k3granny snake
23:39:08ZagorMT: sounds good.
23:39:18midknight2k3you can set worm speed, argh size, argh density, points per food
23:39:31midknight2k3it's very good
23:39:35midknight2k3good job mt
23:39:43MTi shall have a look tonight, see if i can make a patch to the new wormlet rock
23:39:53midknight2k3speaking of which
23:39:59midknight2k3some new patches can be rock files
23:40:07MTremembers the high score too :o
23:40:15midknight2k3i got a wormlet over flow
23:40:25midknight2k3i set points per food to 50
23:40:26Zagormidknight2k3: bingo! and you win the grand prize... :)
23:40:32MTthat problem existed in original wormlet too
23:40:45MTyou just werent good enough to get enough points :)
23:40:53midknight2k3and i got a lot and then i went to like score 550 and then it went to 10 again and i went through myself or something
23:41:01midknight2k3it was cool
23:41:12midknight2k3i get the prize! yay!
23:41:14MTyou can sometimes end up with 0
23:41:20MTwhich is even more fun
23:41:26MTas you cant see yourself move
23:41:42MTjust got to hope you hit a food before an argh
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