| 00:09:08 | | Join earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-138-88-169-239.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:09:29 | earHurts | how are yiu gentlemen !! |
| 00:11:39 | hardeep | earHurts: heya earHurts... are you still having problems with the dynamic playlist stuff? |
| 00:12:29 | earHurts | uh, probably. I haven't had an opportunity to try any other builds |
| 00:15:04 | hardeep | oh, okay. |
| 00:15:10 | earHurts | I,m going to see what the latest build does for me |
| 00:15:31 | hardeep | yeah, i can't reproduce it and no one else has reported it |
| 00:16:12 | earHurts | how easy is it to call dynamic playlist functions without the dp gui? |
| 00:17:29 | hardeep | earHurts: all exported functions are in apps/playlist.h |
| 00:18:06 | earHurts | when I first got archos ai was disappointed abd durprised playing a directory judt listed it |
| 00:18:34 | earHurts | surprised, even |
| 00:19:02 | earHurts | can I use dp to get that functionality? |
| 00:21:13 | hardeep | earHurts: sure, just call playlist_insert_directory() |
| 00:22:16 | earHurts | how do I override the recursive setting? |
| 00:22:36 | hardeep | earHurts: see the arguments to insert_directory |
| 00:23:16 | earHurts | nice forward thinking api, hardeep |
| 00:24:17 | earHurts | this will address much of what i weant in the gui |
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| 00:31:16 | | Join Sparks [0] (~ask@public1-bror2-4-cust155.bror.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 00:32:31 | Sparks | is it possible to lock the keypad during recording? - i cant seem to do it :S |
| 00:33:19 | hardeep | Sparks: i don't believe you can do it currently |
| 00:33:32 | Sparks | :( |
| 00:33:58 | hardeep | Sparks: you may want to make a feature request if there isn't one already |
| 00:34:56 | Sparks | ...just checking for one! |
| 00:35:03 | hardeep | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=700253 |
| 00:35:25 | Sparks | also, would it be possible to put "irc://irc.freenode.net/rockbox" on the IRC part of the web page so it is much quicker to connect! |
| 00:36:14 | hardeep | Sparks: it's certainly possible... post a request on the mailing list |
| 00:37:37 | Sparks | it would be VERY useful! |
| 00:39:11 | Sparks | as would the keylock when recording (secret recording with the Arcos in a pocket, for example!) |
| 00:39:24 | ClosetPacifist | :) that's fun! |
| 00:39:35 | ClosetPacifist | heh, recorded a wedding a while back |
| 00:42:58 | Sparks | I have been recording some meetings @ work, due to the fact we are relocating and have had the personell managers talking to us - it would be much nicer to not have to worry about pressing buttons accedently! |
| 00:50:12 | Stevie-O | Use the Source, Luke |
| 00:56:09 | | Join devZer0 [0] (devZer0@pD951EFF3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:58:50 | devZer0 | hi there! sparks: i tried your link and indeed it makes things much quicker. :) |
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| 01:03:02 | Sparks | ;) |
| 01:03:19 | | Quit hardeep ("BitchX: the ONLY three day cure!") |
| 01:03:36 | Sparks | u using mIRC? |
| 01:04:19 | devZer0 | didn`t know that i can start irc session so easily from a webbrowser. i`m using mirc - did mirc install a special "handler" for that? is this a mirc "speciality" or do irc clients usually do so? what happens on linux ? |
| 01:04:49 | Sparks | not sure, that was why I was asking if you were on mIRC (Like I am) |
| 01:05:33 | devZer0 | it would be interesting if other irc clients can handle this, too. |
| 01:05:36 | Sparks | anyone know of a good place to get a Fujutsu MHS2060AT from? |
| 01:05:48 | Sparks | (good=cheap!) |
| 01:07:13 | devZer0 | mhhh - what is your "reference pricing"? |
| 01:07:24 | | Join tuximus [0] (~jirc@psrb-c72-lo.tcsn.net) |
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| 01:08:00 | Sparks | cheapest I have seen is GBP155 |
| 01:08:55 | | Join telliott [0] (telliott@208.251.255.120) |
| 01:10:13 | MT | is that a 60gb drive? |
| 01:10:21 | ClosetPacifist | marf... getting stuff like 'lib1funcs.asm:60:Unknown pseudo-op: .global' when I try to compile now on OSX... think I've ran google dry... |
| 01:10:22 | Sparks | yep |
| 01:10:27 | devZer0 | thats very expensive! |
| 01:10:49 | MT | do you absolutely require 60gb |
| 01:10:59 | MT | 40gb would be much cheaper |
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| 01:11:47 | Sparks | MHR2040AT = £90 |
| 01:12:05 | devZer0 | Fujitsu MHS2060AT 60,0 GB 12/2048/4200 U-100 IDE |
| 01:12:12 | devZer0 | 173.19 EUR |
| 01:12:17 | devZer0 | here in germany |
| 01:12:52 | Sparks | I use the Jukebox as file storage for backing up peoples PC's etc. (I am an IT Engineer) - so the bigger the better! |
| 01:13:19 | telliott | My 1 year warrenty is up in August.. I'm joping I can upgrade the hard drive in my AJR20. |
| 01:13:28 | devZer0 | thats 119.361 GBP |
| 01:14:50 | Sparks | i need to find some other suppliers then! |
| 01:15:27 | devZer0 | www.mix-computer.de seems to have it in stock for that price |
| 01:16:34 | MT | £133.27+VAT from redstore.com |
| 01:16:47 | telliott | I just saw the new video from Joerg. I can't wait till we can boot Rockbox from RAM. |
| 01:16:59 | MT | ROM |
| 01:17:06 | telliott | ROM |
| 01:18:16 | MT | Sparks: if you really want it just for backing up peoples stuff, you could get a 120GB USB2 drive *complete* for less than just your 60gb replacement hd |
| 01:18:54 | devZer0 | telliott: me too :) |
| 01:18:57 | MT | http://www.redstore.com/fx/techinfo.php?itm_code=LACSTO011 |
| 01:21:07 | devZer0 | 60.0 GB 2.5" IDE HDD-ATA5-4200U/Min-13mS-9.5mm - 169,00 EU @www.berger-daten.de don`t know the model |
| 01:23:02 | devZer0 | that guy sold archos-boxes for a long time. he also sold "tuned" ones - with 60gb drive inside |
| 01:23:40 | Sparks | MT: - its cheaper from http://www.bluepoint.net/fx/techinfo.php?itm_code=LACSTO011 |
| 01:24:04 | devZer0 | bought mine there a while ago - toshiba 60gb and it works very well since then.... |
| 01:24:42 | Sparks | MT: a whole 62p :) |
| 01:25:34 | devZer0 | :D |
| 01:25:53 | Sparks | MT: It is a good idea, but I do prefer only having one box to carry arond, and the Archos has the battery if there are no power points! |
| 01:28:28 | ClosetPacifist | yay! s/.global/.globl/ fixes that... |
| 01:29:18 | Sparks | has anyone here got the FM? |
| 01:30:56 | Sparks | i have the FM here, and have just tried plugging in my power supply for my iPAQ (seems to have the same connector) - my battery level is now cycling between 0 34 68 100 - I dont have the proper PSU to hand (It's at work)...is this normal! |
| 01:31:45 | Sparks | (I just upgraded to a newer version of Rockbox (I had a May version previously) and didnt remember seeing it do this before |
| 01:32:56 | ClosetPacifist | might be the charge-graphic-moving-thingy |
| 01:33:32 | devZer0 | yes - this is new afaik |
| 01:37:01 | ClosetPacifist | anyone have any ideas on how to fix stuff like this: "Invalid mnemonic 'rotcl'" when compiling the cross-compiler? also get it with rts, shar, shlr16, etc |
| 01:39:20 | devZer0 | no - can`t help - sorry. |
| 01:41:27 | devZer0 | sparks: when you upgrade your archos hdd - there are very nice & tiny usb 2.0 aluminium cases out there. very cheap ! http://www.cks-computer.de/cgi-bin/onlineshop/frontkunde/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=4423381&rub1=Geh%E4use&rub2=USB-Geh%E4use&artnr=GEH-U1006&pn=0 |
| 01:42:19 | devZer0 | i don`t think you want to throw away the old hdd :) |
| 01:45:53 | ClosetPacifist | OOPS! was putting linus's path in my PATH variable, not mine... |
| 01:47:01 | Sparks | devZer0 - that sounds like a very good idea! :) |
| 01:47:30 | Sparks | do you know if the USB port will power them, or do you need another wall wart? |
| 01:48:14 | devZer0 | wooow. beautiful: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708 |
| 01:48:27 | devZer0 | that depends |
| 01:48:41 | devZer0 | on my notebook, the port has enough power |
| 01:48:50 | devZer0 | @work i need additional power supply. |
| 01:49:17 | devZer0 | you can put an adapter between keyboard plug as power supply |
| 01:50:50 | devZer0 | nice stuff @ebay :) http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=usb+2.5+hdd |
| 01:53:01 | Sparks | oohh, and it's bloooooo :P |
| 01:54:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:54:15 | devZer0 | it`s a small blue from big blue :D |
| 01:54:29 | devZer0 | a beautiful small blue from ugly big blue :D |
| 01:55:14 | | Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@AC85D014.ipt.aol.com) |
| 01:55:15 | Sparks | eh, you lost me there! |
| 01:56:47 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 01:56:56 | ClosetPacifist | ello |
| 01:57:33 | | Quit _aLF ("Client exiting") |
| 01:59:05 | Sparks | devZer0 - do you know the height of the existing HDD in the FM? |
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| 02:00:36 | | Quit telliott (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:00:45 | ClosetPacifist | hmm... that didn't fix it... |
| 02:02:27 | * | ClosetPacifist wonders if the binutils version is incompatible with the gcc version. |
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| 02:05:41 | devZer0 | sparks - no, i don`t - but isn`t that a regular 9.5mm one? |
| 02:06:00 | earHurts | it's regular |
| 02:06:16 | Sparks | okay :) |
| 02:06:22 | earHurts | I was able to replace mine with a normal laptop hdd |
| 02:07:01 | earHurts | 60GB |
| 02:07:09 | Sparks | i was just looking at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708 and it clearly states it will only work with the 9.5mm ones |
| 02:07:39 | * | thu is back (Gone: all day) |
| 02:07:43 | earHurts | 9.5 is normal, 8 think |
| 02:07:43 | Sparks | whoops, i posted the URL twice |
| 02:07:51 | thu | Sparks: maybe you want to look at tinyurl.com too :) |
| 02:08:13 | Sparks | yea, that wud have been better! :D |
| 02:08:36 | | Join Remo [0] (~Remo@pbschmidt.physik.unibas.ch) |
| 02:08:41 | Sparks | it was supposed to be just http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109 |
| 02:08:59 | Sparks | got knows how I managed to paste it multiple times :/ |
| 02:09:07 | thu | darn.. cable is slow during the day |
| 02:09:15 | earHurts | I didn't de-solder when I replaced mine, but you might want to |
| 02:09:49 | Sparks | how did you swap without desoldering then? |
| 02:10:10 | earHurts | I folded the top and bottom of the back plate down |
| 02:10:29 | Sparks | did it leave a crease in the metal then? |
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| 02:10:41 | earHurts | folding the bottom down was a mistake; you should be able to avoid doing so |
| 02:11:10 | * | thu thinks upgrading his archos' drive is not worth it |
| 02:11:23 | earHurts | it did leave a crease; I would suggest if you do it, you attempt to fold at the existing bend |
| 02:11:25 | | Join telliott [0] (telliott@208.251.255.120) |
| 02:11:42 | Sparks | i might just desolder it! |
| 02:11:51 | earHurts | I have 22GB of music on it, it's worth it |
| 02:12:02 | thu | lol |
| 02:12:11 | thu | hardly :) |
| 02:12:20 | Sparks | i have a 20 gig disk, and 30 gigs of music, so it is worth it! |
| 02:12:39 | Sparks | and I use it for file transfers between PC's! |
| 02:13:04 | thu | I'm doing fine dragging just < 20G around |
| 02:13:44 | earHurts | if you fold down the top, you can reach a small screwdriver in through the bottom to pop out the hdd |
| 02:13:48 | Sparks | it is also usefull for "backing up" a friends DVD collection :P |
| 02:14:00 | thu | too slow :P |
| 02:14:14 | thu | I use it at lan partys.. last time I backuped around 15G of music |
| 02:14:26 | earHurts | the hdd is insulated with a piece of sticky plastic. be sure to transfer it to the new drive |
| 02:14:40 | thu | mm I have about 70G of mp3s on my drive now |
| 02:14:49 | Sparks | i think I will just desolder :D |
| 02:14:54 | thu | I guess I would need an 80G upgrade drive |
| 02:15:09 | earHurts | be sure the drive is completely insulated, as the battery connects to the back plate |
| 02:15:18 | Sparks | what is the biggest 2.5" disk avalable now? |
| 02:15:26 | thu | 80? |
| 02:15:32 | Sparks | do u have the FM? |
| 02:15:34 | thu | anything over would probably be really expensive |
| 02:15:38 | thu | I do |
| 02:15:40 | Sparks | (earHurts) |
| 02:15:44 | thu | he doesn't |
| 02:15:46 | thu | iirc |
| 02:15:50 | earHurts | I have an fm |
| 02:15:53 | Sparks | lol |
| 02:15:56 | thu | okay I don't rc |
| 02:16:25 | thu | bleh I don't know what I'm talkin about |
| 02:16:25 | Sparks | what iirc mean? (I never worked that one out!) |
| 02:16:29 | thu | I'll go eat |
| 02:16:42 | thu | [Linux] thu@dusty thu $ wtf is iirc |
| 02:16:42 | thu | IIRC: if I recall correctly |
| 02:16:45 | Sparks | ah! |
| 02:16:46 | earHurts | it means if I recall correctly, iirc |
| 02:16:48 | Sparks | ta |
| 02:18:26 | Sparks | any idea when the rockbox flash will be avalable for the FM for the masses? |
| 02:18:39 | Sparks | 3second boot really appeals! |
| 02:18:59 | | Join keithhub [0] (~keithhub@rdu57-68-096.nc.rr.com) |
| 02:25:56 | devZer0 | n8 guys. gonna sleep |
| 02:27:37 | Sparks | night night :D |
| 02:27:51 | Sparks | devZer0 - u in the UK? |
| 02:28:51 | [IDC]Dragon | Phew! My firmware flashing plugin works! |
| 02:29:52 | [IDC]Dragon | So the box can flash itself, without mod. |
| 02:30:01 | Sparks | :) that is very good news! |
| 02:30:48 | [IDC]Dragon | Expect a first release for the recorder very soon (mask 0x0302 preferred). |
| 02:30:52 | Sparks | if one was to kill the flash area (erase it, for example - would it be possible to recover it? |
| 02:31:17 | [IDC]Dragon | Yes, but then you need the UART boot mod and the serial mod. |
| 02:31:32 | Sparks | okay |
| 02:31:39 | [IDC]Dragon | Nothing for the masses. |
| 02:31:44 | Sparks | what does mask 0x0302 preferred mean? |
| 02:32:12 | [IDC]Dragon | I've only tested it for that so far. (see debug->HW info) |
| 02:32:37 | [IDC]Dragon | Those flags decide on some hardware differences. |
| 02:32:44 | Sparks | okay, my FM is mask 0x0304 |
| 02:32:54 | Sparks | ...is that bad! |
| 02:33:04 | Stevie-O | oh no |
| 02:33:07 | Stevie-O | 0x0304? |
| 02:33:17 | Stevie-O | run away BEFORE IT EXPLODES! |
| 02:33:27 | Sparks | ahhhhhh!!!!!!#BOOOOMMMMM |
| 02:33:32 | Sparks | :P |
| 02:33:36 | [IDC]Dragon | Different story. Before flashing the FM, we'd need a developer volunteering to do those mods. |
| 02:33:52 | Sparks | is that just the FM's version then |
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| 02:34:51 | BoD[] | Hello ! |
| 02:34:55 | Sparks | why is it the Archos takes so much longer - what is it doing in that extra time? |
| 02:35:06 | Sparks | Hello BoD |
| 02:35:37 | [IDC]Dragon | There's a little monitor started first. But aport from it's 1 second timeout, I have no idea. |
| 02:35:39 | | Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-78-103.reverse.qsc.de) |
| 02:36:37 | ClosetPacifist | erb, is a mask 0x0202 good? have the most likely positive flash values that you mentioned on the mailing list |
| 02:36:57 | Sparks | and the same when you turn it off - it takes a lot longer to go off with Archos |
| 02:37:18 | [IDC]Dragon | Time to sleep. |
| 02:37:25 | [IDC]Dragon | Goodnight! |
| 02:37:29 | * | ClosetPacifist waves. |
| 02:37:47 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon () |
| 02:39:22 | Stevie-O | Sparks: scratching its virtual balls |
| 02:39:47 | * | Sparks laughs |
| 02:40:08 | Stevie-O | what else? |
| 02:40:10 | Stevie-O | i mean |
| 02:40:21 | Stevie-O | 15 seconds difference |
| 02:40:34 | Stevie-O | or, more meaningfully |
| 02:40:39 | Sparks | they just wanted to show te progress bar thingie |
| 02:40:50 | Stevie-O | 500% longer |
| 02:40:57 | Sparks | geez |
| 02:41:14 | Stevie-O | or how about '6 times as long' |
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| 02:41:34 | Sparks | any idea if a hugher output PSU is used, it would stop the battery drainwhen xfering over the USB? |
| 02:42:09 | Sparks | (Sorry about the typing, I obviously need sleep!!) |
| 02:42:17 | Stevie-O | dunno |
| 02:43:06 | Sparks | must try it on my 2A iPaq one |
| 02:44:01 | Sparks | do you have the FM Stevie-O? |
| 02:47:53 | thu | he doesn't |
| 02:48:01 | Sparks | u do? |
| 02:48:07 | thu | iirc |
| 02:48:09 | thu | yeah :) |
| 02:48:22 | Sparks | can u tell me the voltage of the PSU (Mine it @ work) |
| 02:48:29 | Sparks | it -> is |
| 02:49:09 | thu | where was that? |
| 02:49:36 | | Join Neo [0] (Neo@209.187.167.213) |
| 02:49:40 | Sparks | it should be printed on the PSU |
| 02:49:43 | Neo | hey all |
| 02:49:44 | thu | Sparks: how do i get it? |
| 02:49:47 | Sparks | probably on the bottom |
| 02:49:58 | Sparks | ello Neo |
| 02:50:05 | thu | bottom? |
| 02:50:10 | Neo | have some questions about archos jukebox before burchase |
| 02:50:11 | Sparks | of the power pack |
| 02:50:15 | | Part Neo ("Client exiting") |
| 02:50:32 | Sparks | the thing you plug in the wall to charge the FM :) |
| 02:50:50 | | Join Neo [0] (~Neo@209.187.167.213) |
| 02:50:53 | thu | 6v |
| 02:50:54 | Neo | sorry |
| 02:51:01 | thu | + in the middle |
| 02:51:06 | Neo | can i ask some questions about the archos |
| 02:51:19 | thu | Neo: this is an ipod channel |
| 02:51:21 | Sparks | okay, I thought as much - it;s just the 5v one for my iPaq seems to be chaging it :? |
| 02:51:29 | Neo | how is it |
| 02:51:32 | Neo | its rockbox |
| 02:51:43 | Sparks | i think it was a joke :D |
| 02:51:58 | Neo | gotcha |
| 02:51:59 | Sparks | i.e of course you can |
| 02:51:59 | Neo | my bad |
| 02:52:00 | thu | Neo: jk |
| 02:52:03 | Neo | thanks |
| 02:52:04 | Neo | ok |
| 02:52:08 | Neo | i was here before |
| 02:52:12 | Neo | asked some questions |
| 02:52:25 | thu | if you say so |
| 02:52:26 | Sparks | what do you want to know? |
| 02:52:28 | Neo | is the archos jukebox recorder 20 worht buying |
| 02:52:31 | Neo | *worth |
| 02:52:47 | thu | I chose the recorder fm |
| 02:52:53 | Neo | yeh? |
| 02:52:53 | thu | it's a pretty good deal for the money |
| 02:52:54 | Sparks | depends what you want to do with it - if you want a door wedge, then no :P |
| 02:53:05 | Neo | its heavy? |
| 02:53:18 | thu | not overly heavy |
| 02:53:36 | thu | you can probably pick it up in a store and see for yerself |
| 02:53:42 | Sparks | IMO the FM radio is not that good |
| 02:53:53 | Neo | ok |
| 02:53:54 | Neo | yeh |
| 02:53:56 | thu | I second that |
| 02:54:07 | Neo | i was just gona get the recorder 20 |
| 02:54:15 | thu | the recorder fm is just slicker |
| 02:54:26 | thu | but it's hardly possible to record hi-q off the radio |
| 02:54:43 | Sparks | is the FM the same as the recorder 20, but minus the radio? |
| 02:54:58 | thu | nah.. different design |
| 02:55:05 | Sparks | ok, thought so |
| 02:55:07 | thu | mm and different batteries |
| 02:55:19 | Neo | i could get the recorder 20 for 200 |
| 02:55:25 | Neo | is taht a good deal? |
| 02:55:28 | Sparks | yea, not as easy to replace on the FM |
| 02:55:33 | Sparks | 200 what? |
| 02:55:39 | thu | and I think the recorder has digital in |
| 02:55:42 | thu | fm doesn |
| 02:55:42 | thu | t |
| 02:55:48 | thu | 200 USD sounds good |
| 02:56:12 | thu | especially if you compare it to the other jukeboxes |
| 02:56:17 | Sparks | the rockbox firmware has the digital input option in the menu |
| 02:56:18 | Neo | yeh |
| 02:56:18 | thu | Neo: who's selling it for $200? |
| 02:56:23 | Neo | circuit city |
| 02:56:30 | Neo | 30 dollars off |
| 02:56:32 | thu | mm cheap |
| 02:56:34 | Neo | last day tomorrow |
| 02:56:35 | Neo | yeh |
| 02:56:41 | Neo | how fast of a pause between songs |
| 02:56:42 | thu | imho it's worth it |
| 02:56:50 | thu | but then again.. I payed $260 for my fm |
| 02:57:12 | thu | pauses are long or short |
| 02:57:13 | thu | they can't be fast |
| 02:57:24 | Neo | why/ |
| 02:57:25 | Neo | ? |
| 02:57:35 | thu | well unless you make them run |
| 02:57:41 | Sparks | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3033469539 |
| 02:58:21 | Sparks | it is apparently only 6 months old, so I guess you could return it under warentee |
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| 02:58:32 | Neo | but there is a pause |
| 02:58:33 | thu | don't count on it |
| 02:58:35 | Neo | between songs |
| 02:58:40 | thu | Neo: umm guess so |
| 02:58:57 | Neo | like its not track 1 then its over then track 2 |
| 02:59:12 | thu | probably not |
| 02:59:22 | Neo | even with rockbox |
| 02:59:40 | thu | dunno |
| 02:59:55 | Neo | dont u have it? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:04 | thu | I do but I didn't notice that |
| 03:00:08 | thu | I guess it pauses |
| 03:00:13 | Neo | o |
| 03:00:14 | thu | I never thought of it |
| 03:00:18 | Neo | but its not like u have to wait long |
| 03:00:23 | thu | nah |
| 03:00:51 | thu | doesn't circuit city have a 30-day return policy? |
| 03:00:58 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:00:58 | thu | if you have the money go try it |
| 03:01:12 | Neo | do u think ill like it? |
| 03:01:13 | thu | in the (very unlikely) case you hate it just take it back |
| 03:01:27 | thu | I can't say what _you_ like |
| 03:01:44 | thu | but I've went through 4 mp3 cd players and one memory mp3 player and hated them all |
| 03:01:53 | thu | well.. afterwards |
| 03:02:21 | | Join Master_Debator [0] (pooper@ip68-101-208-171.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 03:02:26 | thu | umm.. don't expect to jog with it or anything |
| 03:02:29 | Neo | but u like this one the best |
| 03:02:30 | thu | it's pretty sensitive to shocks |
| 03:02:41 | thu | as any hard disk |
| 03:02:43 | * | ClosetPacifist got his recorder 15 for ~$175 |
| 03:02:52 | Neo | even ipod? |
| 03:02:57 | Master_Debator | hey all, is it OK to use the defragment option in XP on the archos jb20? |
| 03:03:00 | thu | yeah |
| 03:03:19 | thu | Master_Debator: afaik it's just a regular fat filesystem |
| 03:03:23 | thu | you can do to it whatever you want |
| 03:03:31 | Neo | whey master |
| 03:03:35 | Neo | do u like ur archos? |
| 03:03:43 | Master_Debator | Yes, I just got it a couple days ago |
| 03:03:43 | thu | Neo: I can't even walk with it in my pocket 'cuz it will stop |
| 03:03:49 | thu | Neo: so that would be one limitation |
| 03:03:55 | ClosetPacifist | the main reason I got an archos over and iPod was price, but rockbox defintally makes me happy with it |
| 03:03:55 | Master_Debator | the rockbox rocks! |
| 03:04:02 | thu | Neo: in rest.. the battery life is big |
| 03:04:13 | thu | ClosetPacifist: true.. ipod is nicer in some ways |
| 03:04:16 | thu | but the price tag turns me off |
| 03:04:30 | ClosetPacifist | ya, and the recording sounded rather neato, heh |
| 03:04:46 | thu | as I've said before.. the only jukebox I'd consider besides archos is neuros |
| 03:04:57 | Neo | how much is the neuros |
| 03:04:57 | thu | I never tried one first hand though |
| 03:05:07 | thu | 3-400 |
| 03:05:11 | Neo | o |
| 03:05:15 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:05:19 | thu | I don't know how much it's in stores |
| 03:05:22 | Neo | i have 200 to spend on an mp3 player |
| 03:05:29 | Neo | (have the tax) |
| 03:05:38 | thu | Neo: imho it's worth that money |
| 03:05:43 | Neo | whats the best mp3 player at that price range |
| 03:05:47 | Master_Debator | i got mine at circuit city also... |
| 03:05:48 | Neo | the archos? |
| 03:05:54 | thu | you can use it as an usb drive also |
| 03:06:02 | thu | does the recorder 20 do usb2? |
| 03:06:07 | Master_Debator | they have that $199 after rebate thing |
| 03:06:18 | Master_Debator | thu: Yes |
| 03:06:31 | thu | well then.. it's worth it |
| 03:06:33 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:06:34 | Neo | ok |
| 03:06:58 | Neo | i just want an mp3 player at that range |
| 03:06:59 | Master_Debator | While I was there, I noticed they seemed to have two versions, one with blue "pads" and another with black/grey "pads"... |
| 03:07:07 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:07:14 | Neo | is the archos worth it? |
| 03:07:15 | Master_Debator | any difference? |
| 03:07:26 | Neo | can u shuffle on the player itself |
| 03:07:27 | Master_Debator | So far, I think it's worth it |
| 03:07:31 | thu | recorders? |
| 03:07:42 | Neo | ok |
| 03:07:45 | Neo | is that what u have |
| 03:08:03 | thu | it's just an usb drive with a mp3 player on it |
| 03:08:09 | thu | and there are no major issues that I know of |
| 03:08:14 | thu | not much more to say |
| 03:08:26 | Neo | can i walk with it |
| 03:08:37 | thu | yeah but on your belt |
| 03:08:38 | Master_Debator | My battery life seems to suck though..... |
| 03:08:44 | thu | it doesn't like to stay in a pocket |
| 03:08:48 | thu | at least mine doesn't |
| 03:09:05 | Neo | pocket |
| 03:09:06 | thu | if you put it in the belt pouch it's happy |
| 03:09:28 | Neo | lol |
| 03:09:35 | Neo | but it would slip out of what? |
| 03:09:43 | thu | slip? |
| 03:10:13 | thu | Master_Debator: I kill my battery life jumping from song to song |
| 03:10:26 | thu | dir to dir that is |
| 03:10:39 | Neo | o |
| 03:10:45 | Neo | how does the display work |
| 03:11:00 | thu | you can customize it |
| 03:11:02 | thu | and change the fonts |
| 03:11:09 | Master_Debator | thu: yeah, I think that's the problem... but still, it seemed to kill -15 off the battery just from an hour of playing music (no jumping songs) |
| 03:11:10 | thu | in rockbox of course |
| 03:11:13 | ClosetPacifist | if you have a recorder |
| 03:11:38 | thu | yeah he's talkin about a recorder 20 |
| 03:11:51 | thu | do they even sell players anymore? |
| 03:11:51 | Neo | so i should get it |
| 03:12:04 | ClosetPacifist | think outpost has a player 6000 for cheap, heh |
| 03:12:14 | thu | not that cheap |
| 03:12:24 | thu | I mean not dirt cheap |
| 03:12:30 | thu | otherwise I would have gotten it last year |
| 03:12:32 | thu | instead of this fm |
| 03:12:34 | Neo | but thats just 6 gigs right? |
| 03:12:39 | ClosetPacifist | ya |
| 03:12:40 | thu | yea |
| 03:12:42 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:12:44 | Neo | i watn 20 |
| 03:12:50 | ClosetPacifist | don't think they have it anymore anyway |
| 03:13:15 | Neo | so i should get it? |
| 03:13:17 | thu | Neo: you can take it apart and put an 80G drive inside if you want |
| 03:13:23 | thu | Neo: that's for you to decide |
| 03:13:39 | thu | Neo: there are no really unhappy archos users afaik |
| 03:13:46 | Neo | circuit city can do that? |
| 03:14:04 | thu | Neo: a new drive is 2-300$ |
| 03:14:11 | Neo | o |
| 03:14:14 | Neo | 20 is enough |
| 03:14:14 | thu | oO |
| 03:14:49 | thu | I don't think you can get any jukebox half as decent as the archos for that money |
| 03:14:58 | Neo | ok |
| 03:15:02 | Neo | is it solid? |
| 03:15:19 | thu | solid enough but just don't drop it :) |
| 03:15:41 | thu | or hammer nails with it |
| 03:15:52 | ClosetPacifist | heh, mine's slid to the floor a few times x.x |
| 03:16:00 | thu | btw does the recorder 20 shed? |
| 03:16:00 | Sparks | just treat it with the respect it deserves :) |
| 03:16:13 | thu | my fm sheds all over |
| 03:16:19 | Sparks | shed!? |
| 03:16:21 | Neo | how long should it last |
| 03:16:28 | telliott | It won't break if you drop it a short distance on carpet. Mine didn't. |
| 03:16:33 | thu | Neo: until you drop it really hard |
| 03:16:38 | Neo | ok |
| 03:16:41 | thu | yeah I dropped it on carpet too |
| 03:16:42 | Neo | but if it lasts a shed |
| 03:16:44 | Neo | lol |
| 03:16:50 | thu | oh lol |
| 03:16:53 | Neo | lol |
| 03:16:54 | Neo | ok |
| 03:16:57 | thu | the paint on the back of my fm is gone |
| 03:17:02 | Sparks | ohhh |
| 03:17:06 | Neo | what color looks better |
| 03:17:08 | thu | probably because of the heat |
| 03:17:11 | thu | Neo: pink |
| 03:17:12 | ClosetPacifist | oh, don't think the paint on my rec15's gone yet |
| 03:17:18 | Neo | pink?\ |
| 03:17:25 | thu | mine looks pretty beat |
| 03:17:33 | thu | esp with the scratched screen and the paint gone |
| 03:17:38 | Neo | what color |
| 03:17:39 | thu | works like a charm though |
| 03:17:49 | thu | Neo: lime green |
| 03:17:55 | Neo | they have green? |
| 03:17:55 | ClosetPacifist | haven't taken the plastic screen cover off mine yet |
| 03:18:02 | thu | Neo: no |
| 03:18:03 | thu | :) |
| 03:18:09 | Neo | lol |
| 03:18:15 | Neo | blue or silver |
| 03:18:19 | Sparks | you could always re spray it :P |
| 03:18:23 | thu | you can spraypaint it later |
| 03:18:24 | thu | :P Sparks |
| 03:18:32 | ClosetPacifist | heh |
| 03:18:56 | telliott | I really liked the FM till I saw they took out the digital I/O. I use my recorder 20 to play through my Pioneer reciever's digital input. Sounds great. |
| 03:19:16 | Neo | could i record off a portably cd player |
| 03:19:22 | thu | Neo: yes |
| 03:19:35 | Neo | ok |
| 03:19:36 | ClosetPacifist | Neo: if you got a two-ended audio cable like comes with computer speakers, yup |
| 03:19:37 | Neo | thats cool |
| 03:19:38 | thu | Neo: you can record off any external audio source |
| 03:19:44 | thu | or internal microphone |
| 03:19:44 | Neo | ok |
| 03:19:45 | Neo | thanks |
| 03:19:50 | Neo | another question |
| 03:19:51 | * | ClosetPacifist still has his cable from his first speakers, it's yummy. |
| 03:19:52 | Neo | i forgot |
| 03:19:54 | Sparks | or external preamped mic |
| 03:19:58 | thu | nice thing is that you record directly in mp3 |
| 03:20:12 | thu | you just connect it to your pc later and get the songs |
| 03:20:19 | thu | s/songs/sounds |
| 03:20:23 | Sparks | and rockbox now has auto splitting for BIG recording sessions :) |
| 03:20:33 | Neo | cool |
| 03:20:39 | thu | yeah.. I used to record 2h lectures |
| 03:21:00 | Neo | um, whats some more good things abut it |
| 03:21:03 | Sparks | ...but they still need the keylock in the recording screen :D |
| 03:21:11 | telliott | Did they ever get spliiting to work without losing a tiny amount between tracks? |
| 03:21:16 | MT | forget the internal mic, its awful |
| 03:21:31 | thu | awful if you want good quality |
| 03:21:36 | MT | it picks up all the hd screeches |
| 03:21:42 | thu | but good for recording compromising stuff |
| 03:21:53 | Sparks | they should make it spin the disk down forst... |
| 03:22:04 | thu | can't really help that with any disk |
| 03:22:24 | * | ClosetPacifist takes shelter from the fireworks. |
| 03:23:07 | thu | lool it's the 4th today right |
| 03:23:13 | ClosetPacifist | ya |
| 03:23:14 | thu | I wrote 3rd all day |
| 03:23:17 | ClosetPacifist | heh |
| 03:23:19 | * | Sparks wonders what ClosetPacifist of on about! |
| 03:23:20 | thu | in lotsa places |
| 03:23:39 | thu | darn lotech watch |
| 03:23:42 | * | ClosetPacifist 's had great fun with the internal mic, and having his recorder in his pocket. |
| 03:23:45 | thu | I have to set it every 2 months |
| 03:23:46 | Sparks | it's the 5th now (In the UK) |
| 03:24:04 | ClosetPacifist | heh, lucky, you don't have fireworks floatin' bout then! |
| 03:24:38 | thu | I don't either :P |
| 03:24:46 | ClosetPacifist | marf |
| 03:24:57 | ClosetPacifist | thought it was thunder at first... |
| 03:25:02 | Neo | ok |
| 03:25:05 | Neo | how does it operate |
| 03:25:09 | Neo | the buttons |
| 03:25:16 | thu | Neo: you have to push them |
| 03:25:21 | ClosetPacifist | :) you might wana look at the manuel for that |
| 03:25:28 | thu | ClosetPacifist: are you some sort of terrorist? |
| 03:25:28 | Sparks | u press them, and it does somthing :P |
| 03:25:28 | * | ClosetPacifist 's had great fun with the internal mic, and having his recorder in his pocket. |
| 03:25:31 | Neo | o really |
| 03:25:33 | Neo | no i mean |
| 03:25:35 | thu | how come you're not outside shootin fireworks? |
| 03:25:40 | Neo | what kind of buttons |
| 03:25:47 | thu | mm rectangular mostly |
| 03:25:47 | Neo | is there a lock button |
| 03:25:49 | Sparks | http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/manual.pdf |
| 03:25:49 | ClosetPacifist | thu: eh? cause I'm a geek! |
| 03:25:52 | Neo | freature |
| 03:25:53 | thu | plastic buttons |
| 03:25:56 | Sparks | neo: yes |
| 03:26:06 | ClosetPacifist | we stay inside at our computers all day long, correct? |
| 03:26:06 | Neo | is the screen easy to see |
| 03:26:09 | thu | ClosetPacifist: oh.. so you _are_ a terrorist then |
| 03:26:24 | thu | ClosetPacifist: is that a new terrorist group that I didn't hear about yet? |
| 03:26:36 | Neo | is the backlight good? |
| 03:26:36 | Sparks | not in the dark when the backlight has gone ofNeo: |
| 03:26:37 | ClosetPacifist | thu: yup, related to the evil hackers! |
| 03:26:39 | thu | you are clearly antipatriotic |
| 03:26:47 | Neo | when the backlight is on |
| 03:26:52 | Sparks | neo: the backlight is very good |
| 03:26:58 | | Part telliott |
| 03:27:09 | Sparks | the contrast is also ajustable in rockbox |
| 03:27:14 | thu | there should be a way to turn the backlight on after you set it to off |
| 03:27:22 | Neo | how are the games |
| 03:27:26 | Neo | probably not too good |
| 03:27:27 | Neo | just basi |
| 03:27:28 | Neo | c |
| 03:27:29 | thu | Neo: multiplying |
| 03:27:39 | Sparks | i did put in a feature request for that @ thu |
| 03:27:43 | thu | Neo: they have doom running on the archos |
| 03:28:04 | thu | Sparks: I usually turn the light off during the day cuz it's really sunny and I don't see it anyway |
| 03:28:07 | thu | then forget about it |
| 03:28:14 | thu | and when I try to use it @ night I have no light |
| 03:28:24 | Sparks | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=677219&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
| 03:28:52 | thu | yeah |
| 03:29:03 | Neo | where can u get more games |
| 03:29:04 | Neo | doom? |
| 03:29:07 | Sparks | and http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=677204&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
| 03:29:08 | Neo | awesome |
| 03:29:24 | Neo | where can u get more games |
| 03:29:29 | Sparks | doom was a April Fools joke :-) |
| 03:29:34 | Neo | damn |
| 03:29:44 | * | thu steps on Sparks' foot |
| 03:29:45 | thu | shhhh |
| 03:29:49 | Neo | sorry |
| 03:29:53 | Neo | where can u get more games |
| 03:29:53 | ClosetPacifist | woah! http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/camera.jpg |
| 03:30:10 | thu | lol ClosetPacifist |
| 03:30:29 | thu | ClosetPacifist: you can even shoot planes in doom with that left button |
| 03:30:50 | Neo | no doom on rockbox? |
| 03:30:53 | ClosetPacifist | didn't see /that/ picture when they released the doomstuffs... heh |
| 03:31:05 | * | Sparks apologises, and rubs his foot better |
| 03:31:08 | Neo | where can i get a download |
| 03:31:10 | Neo | for doom |
| 03:31:21 | thu | Neo: http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/gogogo.jpg |
| 03:31:41 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:31:42 | Neo | i see it |
| 03:31:46 | Neo | where can i get a download |
| 03:31:46 | Sparks | http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/recorder.jpg |
| 03:31:52 | ClosetPacifist | the recorder dl is http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/ajbrec.ajz |
| 03:32:05 | Neo | and its in there |
| 03:32:10 | thu | Neo: there are quite a few games.. tetris, sokoban, wormlet, flipit, othelo, sliding puzzle, star |
| 03:32:12 | Sparks | http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/doom-logo-big.jpg |
| 03:32:34 | ClosetPacifist | ya, and with the new rock feature people'll likely be making more |
| 03:32:38 | Neo | and is doom in there |
| 03:32:59 | thu | Neo: I heard they are working at doom3 for rockbox now |
| 03:33:05 | Stevie-O | lmao |
| 03:33:06 | thu | Neo: they want to release it with the official version |
| 03:33:09 | thu | to support rockbox |
| 03:33:09 | Neo | lol |
| 03:33:14 | Neo | what doom? |
| 03:33:17 | Sparks | I have Unreal Tourament ported too |
| 03:33:26 | thu | Neo: doom3 and duke nukem forever |
| 03:33:38 | Neo | and can i get doom now? |
| 03:33:46 | thu | Neo: just doom1 for now |
| 03:33:49 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:33:52 | Neo | where? |
| 03:34:04 | thu | <ClosetPacifist> the recorder dl is http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/ajbrec.ajz |
| 03:34:12 | Neo | and its included in there? |
| 03:34:26 | thu | yeah.. it's the rockbox version |
| 03:34:36 | Neo | ok |
| 03:34:45 | Neo | will rockbox always be free? |
| 03:34:57 | ClosetPacifist | ya |
| 03:35:00 | Neo | ok |
| 03:35:00 | | Quit Master_Debator (Remote closed the connection) |
| 03:35:01 | Sparks | any Idea when Microsoft Office XP will be finished for the Archos? |
| 03:35:03 | Neo | cool |
| 03:35:13 | Neo | office xp? |
| 03:35:19 | ClosetPacifist | it's open source and such, and I belive the liscense prevents anything else |
| 03:35:27 | thu | Sparks: they had some problems with the windows emulation for xp |
| 03:35:43 | thu | I don't think wine for rockbox can run anything newer than office 2000 |
| 03:35:45 | Sparks | okay, i heard it was somthing to do with the USB mouse driver? |
| 03:36:01 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 03:36:08 | Stevie-O | I fixed the windows emulation bug |
| 03:36:17 | Stevie-O | it was an error in the CreateFile emulation |
| 03:36:46 | Stevie-O | CreateFile on Windows returns -2147483648 on error instead of NULL |
| 03:36:55 | thu | :P |
| 03:36:56 | Sparks | ok, i lost track of that a while ago |
| 03:37:00 | thu | that was an easy one to fix |
| 03:37:05 | thu | windows always return null |
| 03:37:15 | Stevie-O | not from CreateFile |
| 03:37:16 | thu | no matter what you try to do with it |
| 03:37:17 | Stevie-O | everything else tho |
| 03:37:22 | ClosetPacifist | windows = null |
| 03:38:51 | Neo | im confused |
| 03:38:57 | Neo | how can u get windows on an archos |
| 03:39:01 | thu | the words of wisdom have been spoken |
| 03:39:16 | thu | Neo: windows only takes up 1-2G |
| 03:39:20 | thu | the recorder has a 20G drive |
| 03:39:24 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:39:32 | Neo | but u cant use windows on the small screen |
| 03:39:50 | thu | it's kinda hard.. especially with the usb mouse driver not working |
| 03:39:55 | thu | you have to use mouse keys |
| 03:40:12 | Neo | but how does it look? |
| 03:40:35 | thu | it looks pretty good |
| 03:40:45 | thu | they're still having problems with the 3d acceleration though |
| 03:40:49 | thu | so you can't play any games yet |
| 03:41:05 | Neo | u can actually use it |
| 03:41:11 | Neo | on the tiny screen? |
| 03:41:42 | thu | it's not great but it's good for when you're on the move |
| 03:41:58 | Sparks | there is a cable that you can plug a monitor into too |
| 03:42:12 | Neo | so |
| 03:42:24 | thu | that's a hack though.. you have to open the archos |
| 03:42:24 | | Quit Snorlax () |
| 03:42:24 | Neo | is the start like one pixel large? |
| 03:42:33 | thu | Neo: no.. it has a virtual screen.. you can scroll around |
| 03:42:40 | Neo | o |
| 03:42:41 | Sparks | the start button is assigned to a function key |
| 03:42:45 | Neo | but it must be annoying |
| 03:42:57 | thu | mm I didn't know that |
| 03:42:57 | thu | I have to try it |
| 03:42:57 | Neo | right? |
| 03:42:57 | Sparks | F2 |
| 03:43:06 | thu | yeah F2 isn't used by the firmware |
| 03:43:10 | thu | that's why |
| 03:43:23 | Neo | do u have a screenshot of windows |
| 03:43:25 | Neo | hard to believe |
| 03:43:28 | Neo | windows on the archos |
| 03:43:52 | thu | mine is recharging now |
| 03:43:55 | thu | but I can take a picture of it later |
| 03:43:56 | Sparks | I dont, but i can take a picture if i can find me camera |
| 03:44:44 | thu | who's written some rockbox code here? |
| 03:44:47 | thu | Stevie-O: ? |
| 03:45:02 | Neo | can u do it now |
| 03:45:07 | Neo | im buying in the morning |
| 03:45:09 | Neo | its ok if u cant |
| 03:45:22 | thu | Neo: you can ask the circuit city guys to demo it for you |
| 03:45:28 | * | ClosetPacifist would be playing with rocks if gcc would compile >.< |
| 03:46:13 | Neo | no |
| 03:46:19 | Neo | not with windows |
| 03:46:37 | Neo | thats all i want to see |
| 03:46:38 | thu | they must have one installed around |
| 03:46:46 | Neo | archos with windows? |
| 03:46:57 | thu | yeah.. ask the circuit city guys |
| 03:47:04 | Neo | seriously? |
| 03:47:07 | thu | they must know about it if they're selling it |
| 03:47:13 | Neo | they'd put windows on it |
| 03:47:17 | Neo | doubt it |
| 03:47:17 | Sparks | i got the camera, but I think my cable is at work (The same ones the Archos uses, I was using it today when i should have been working :) |
| 03:47:20 | thu | sure.. if you ask them |
| 03:47:29 | thu | Sparks: those cables are hard to get :( |
| 03:47:31 | thu | and expensive |
| 03:47:40 | Neo | what do i say "do u have archos with a windows installed on it" |
| 03:47:52 | thu | yeah.. maybe they do |
| 03:47:56 | Neo | doubt it |
| 03:47:59 | ClosetPacifist | 'd spect so since they didn't use the propper usb cable type, heh |
| 03:48:09 | Neo | but u can watch movies on this then |
| 03:48:20 | thu | the archos multimedia is optimized for movies |
| 03:48:25 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:48:27 | thu | you can play and record divx |
| 03:48:32 | Neo | but its 300 |
| 03:48:40 | thu | yeah |
| 03:48:43 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:48:46 | Neo | do u have it? |
| 03:48:58 | thu | no.. when I got mine it was more than 300 |
| 03:49:10 | Neo | o |
| 03:49:14 | thu | oO |
| 03:49:16 | Neo | dont really need that |
| 03:49:36 | Neo | well, since ur claiming u can put windows on the recorder, cant u play movies in black in white? |
| 03:49:37 | Sparks | if they do have the windows version in circuit city, make sure you get the Version SE3 - the previous version had a bug that ran the battery down too quick |
| 03:49:39 | PsycoXul | why would you want windows on an archos when we've got rockbox |
| 03:50:16 | Neo | u guys keep saying uve put windows on the archos |
| 03:50:18 | Neo | they come that way? |
| 03:50:24 | thu | PsycoXul: ms office doesn't work well under rockbox |
| 03:50:34 | thu | PsycoXul: it works much better on windows |
| 03:50:47 | PsycoXul | thu: thats your opinion |
| 03:50:48 | thu | Neo: yeah but nobody cares about it |
| 03:50:50 | thu | like PsycoXul here |
| 03:50:55 | thu | they all like to run rockbox |
| 03:51:01 | thu | they say it's better than windows :( |
| 03:51:09 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:51:15 | Neo | but windows u wouldnt be able to see |
| 03:51:28 | Neo | does it look like my windows screen now |
| 03:51:31 | Neo | just really small? |
| 03:51:39 | thu | something like that |
| 03:51:42 | Sparks | it's like Windows CE |
| 03:51:44 | Neo | hmm |
| 03:51:49 | Neo | u haveto download it |
| 03:51:51 | PsycoXul | imagine a pda running windows |
| 03:51:51 | Neo | ? |
| 03:51:53 | thu | I don't know what your screen looks like |
| 03:52:00 | PsycoXul | and think of like taking a piece of cardboard |
| 03:52:02 | Neo | or can i use my xp cd here |
| 03:52:07 | PsycoXul | and cutting out a hole the size of your archos screen |
| 03:52:11 | Sparks | but it is Windows SE (Smaller Edition) |
| 03:52:13 | PsycoXul | and then putting that over the pda's screen |
| 03:52:19 | thu | Neo: no.. you have to upload it through usb |
| 03:52:24 | PsycoXul | and when you move the pointer, you move the window |
| 03:52:38 | PsycoXul | it's like that |
| 03:52:45 | thu | Neo: or connect one of the archos external cdroms to your jukebox |
| 03:52:59 | thu | Neo: see the archos website for info on getting external cdroms |
| 03:53:06 | thu | they even have cd writers |
| 03:53:07 | Neo | sorry guys, im confused |
| 03:53:22 | thu | no problem.. so are we sometimes |
| 03:53:40 | Neo | u use a windows cd to install to your archos recorder beacuse it acts like a harddrive |
| 03:53:49 | Neo | then on the tiny tiny screen windows appears |
| 03:53:56 | Neo | right? |
| 03:54:07 | thu | you can only use the cd if you get an archos external cdrom |
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| 03:54:15 | Neo | the "Windows professional Sp1" |
| 03:54:23 | thu | that's buggy |
| 03:54:25 | Neo | why cant i install it from windows |
| 03:54:28 | thu | you must use sp3 |
| 03:54:39 | Neo | ok |
| 03:54:42 | thu | can you install windows on another pc from windows? |
| 03:54:48 | Neo | yeh |
| 03:55:06 | Sparks | it is Windows SE3 - this is the latest version |
| 03:55:15 | Neo | but u can see "a desktop" on the archos? |
| 03:55:22 | thu | Neo: if you want to use your cd you must also buy one of these http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500364.html |
| 03:55:33 | Sparks | SE3 = Smaller Edition, service pack 3 |
| 03:55:52 | thu | Neo: the screen is kinda small but it works |
| 03:56:13 | thu | archos sells external dvdroms as accessories to the jukeboxes |
| 03:56:25 | Neo | wehre do i get smaller edition? |
| 03:56:46 | thu | you can just use 2000 |
| 03:56:57 | Neo | 2000? |
| 03:57:00 | thu | don't listen to Sparks.. I don't think SE is even out yet |
| 03:57:03 | thu | windows 2000 |
| 03:57:09 | thu | he must have a beta or something |
| 03:57:18 | thu | you can crash your jukebox with it |
| 03:57:21 | thu | windows 2000 sp3 |
| 03:57:35 | Neo | how have u guys put windows on ur juekbox |
| 03:58:08 | thu | you just copy the kit on the drive and then reboot the jukebox |
| 03:58:18 | thu | or you get one of those external drives and boot from cdrom |
| 03:59:11 | Neo | its black and white |
| 03:59:19 | thu | yeah :( |
| 03:59:28 | thu | you have to get a multimedia archos if you want color screen |
| 03:59:31 | Neo | do u have a screen shot of windows on the jukebox |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:39 | thu | lemme see where is my camera |
| 04:01:18 | Neo | thanks |
| 04:01:22 | Neo | i really wanto see it |
| 04:01:24 | Neo | email me |
| 04:01:30 | Neo | @ rubberdukkie52@aol.com |
| 04:03:37 | Neo | ok? |
| 04:03:57 | Sparks | i think he is looking for his camera! |
| 04:04:00 | Neo | o |
| 04:04:01 | Neo | sorry |
| 04:04:17 | Neo | sparks |
| 04:04:21 | Sparks | yep |
| 04:04:26 | Neo | have u had luck with windows on the archos |
| 04:04:51 | Sparks | how do you mean luck? |
| 04:05:37 | Neo | does it work? |
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| 04:06:06 | Sparks | yea, it takes a while to master the controls though, but like anything you get used to ut |
| 04:06:20 | Neo | yeh |
| 04:06:28 | Neo | do u ahve a screen of it? |
| 04:07:13 | Sparks | i have a photo, but i havent got my camera's cable :( |
| 04:07:44 | Neo | u mean its on the camera |
| 04:07:49 | Neo | but u cant find the cable? |
| 04:07:52 | Neo | thats sucks |
| 04:07:57 | Neo | i wanto see it! |
| 04:08:40 | Sparks | it is the same cable as the Archos, but i left it at work, wich is a bummer, as i have loads of stuff i want to put on the Archos :(:(:( |
| 04:08:56 | Neo | o |
| 04:08:59 | Neo | yeh |
| 04:09:13 | Neo | do u think thu found his camera |
| 04:09:30 | ClosetPacifist | he probally got sidetracked |
| 04:09:32 | Sparks | u found yr camera thu? |
| 04:09:39 | ClosetPacifist | and fired off some fireworks instead, heh |
| 04:09:45 | Neo | yeh |
| 04:09:46 | Neo | lol |
| 04:10:36 | Neo | have u heard of the Rio Riot 20 gig mp3 player? |
| 04:11:15 | Sparks | I have heard of Rio, but haven't been following their stuff now I have the Archos :) |
| 04:11:25 | Neo | the archos is better? |
| 04:12:07 | Sparks | i dont know, but I am more than happy with the Archos (With Rockbox) so i havent been looking at others |
| 04:12:23 | Neo | how loud does it get? |
| 04:12:34 | Sparks | the archos? |
| 04:13:22 | Sparks | Neo: you mean how loud does the Archos get? |
| 04:13:51 | Neo | yes |
| 04:14:06 | Sparks | depends on what you plug it in to! |
| 04:14:20 | Sparks | plug it into a 2KW amplifier, and it is REALLY loud! |
| 04:14:20 | Neo | headphone |
| 04:14:24 | Neo | the ones it comes with |
| 04:14:46 | Sparks | they are not brilliant IMO - i prefer the in-ear ones |
| 04:14:46 | ClosetPacifist | they have a little volume knob |
| 04:15:19 | Neo | is there adjustable volume on the archos? |
| 04:15:22 | Neo | there better be |
| 04:15:44 | Sparks | of course 0-100 |
| 04:15:50 | Neo | ok |
| 04:15:53 | Neo | how loud does 50 get |
| 04:16:00 | Neo | loud enough? |
| 04:16:06 | Sparks | and there is a volume control on the headphones |
| 04:16:58 | Sparks | i have mine on 68% right now |
| 04:17:02 | Neo | ok |
| 04:17:08 | Neo | what kind of music u listen 2> |
| 04:17:12 | Sparks | but 100% is well loud |
| 04:17:49 | Sparks | Stuff like Euphoria, Clubland.. |
| 04:18:26 | * | ClosetPacifist listens to Aphex Twin, noisemusic, Mechwarrior 2, electricfunstuff,etc. |
| 04:18:53 | thu | lol fuck this |
| 04:18:57 | thu | the gimp got stuck and i lost my image |
| 04:19:01 | thu | no more windows on archos |
| 04:19:07 | Sparks | currently listining to http://www.discogs.com/release/85903 |
| 04:19:34 | Neo | ha |
| 04:19:36 | Neo | no image? |
| 04:19:41 | thu | no image |
| 04:20:04 | * | thu listens to some weird medieval music he got off emusic |
| 04:20:52 | Neo | o |
| 04:20:56 | Neo | yeh |
| 04:21:13 | Neo | well |
| 04:21:15 | Neo | im off |
| 04:21:20 | Neo | i think ill buy one tomorrow |
| 04:21:21 | Neo | hey thu |
| 04:21:26 | thu | good for you |
| 04:21:28 | ClosetPacifist | cya, best of luck |
| 04:21:29 | Neo | if u ever get that pic (hope u do) |
| 04:21:34 | Neo | email me |
| 04:21:37 | thu | ok |
| 04:21:38 | Neo | rubberdukkie52@aol.com |
| 04:21:41 | Neo | thanks |
| 04:21:49 | Neo | if u have available |
| 04:21:52 | Neo | email other screens |
| 04:22:02 | Neo | of the jukebox itself |
| 04:22:06 | Neo | just pics of it |
| 04:22:07 | Neo | thanks |
| 04:22:08 | Neo | bye |
| 04:22:09 | thu | you can find tons of that on the net |
| 04:22:10 | thu | bye |
| 04:22:10 | | Quit Neo ("Client exiting") |
| 04:22:12 | Sparks | ask them in Circuit City - they are not allowed to promote it, but if you ask, they will proabbaly show u |
| 04:22:26 | ClosetPacifist | he he he |
| 04:22:32 | Sparks | :D :P |
| 04:22:45 | thu | that was too much |
| 04:22:53 | thu | unfortunatelly my talents with the gimp are slim to none |
| 04:23:33 | * | thu is away |
| 04:36:27 | | Quit keithhub ("Client exiting") |
| 04:39:45 | * | Sparks is Away also |
| 04:40:59 | * | Sparks is Going to bed... |
| 04:41:30 | ClosetPacifist | cya |
| 04:42:06 | * | Sparks waves, and prepares to enter the real world... |
| 04:42:28 | | Quit Sparks () |
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| 05:06:24 | artine | Greetings all. Got a bit of a question. I just added some new directory sorting features to the Rockbox that seem to work just fine on the Archos, but not the X11 sim. I've traced the problem down to x11_readdir, but I get stumped in there. Where is x11_dirent defined? I need to add two members to it, but I can't find it anywhere... |
| 05:07:24 | artine | I did a search through the entire file tree for any files containing any reference to it, none of the files it returned had its definition. Did a scan through my entire directory structure. No go. I'm reallly stumped on this one. |
| 05:08:33 | artine | Any ideas on even how to approach this one? |
| 05:11:27 | Stevie-O | nada kloo |
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| 05:35:35 | OliverKlozoff | ow |
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| 06:04:45 | OliverKlozoff | does anyone else think it's rather ironic |
| 06:04:53 | OliverKlozoff | that one of the sponsors for a race car driver |
| 06:05:00 | OliverKlozoff | is Smirnoff Ice? |
| 06:06:56 | thu | lol |
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| 06:13:45 | earHurts | How are yiu gentlemen? |
| 06:15:51 | thu | it is you!! |
| 06:15:56 | thu | earHurts: any emusic suggestions? |
| 06:16:03 | thu | earHurts: I don't know what to get |
| 06:16:19 | thu | earHurts: and btw some people are saying emusic is capped at 2000 songs / monthg |
| 06:16:21 | artine | What genres you into? |
| 06:16:25 | artine | Yeah, I heard about that, too. |
| 06:16:33 | thu | it's against their policy |
| 06:16:37 | thu | they can be sued or something |
| 06:16:45 | thu | it says UNLIMITED on their first page |
| 06:16:46 | artine | It doesn't affect me 'cuz I never download that much, but it still pisses me off that they say unlimited and then cap you at 2000 |
| 06:16:49 | thu | yeah |
| 06:17:00 | thu | I got almost 300 songs in the first day |
| 06:17:10 | thu | so it looks like I'll be there to test it soon |
| 06:17:13 | artine | I'm sure. eMusic is too fun :-) |
| 06:17:19 | thu | so.. suggestions? |
| 06:17:25 | artine | Well, what genres do you like? |
| 06:17:26 | thu | new age / jazz |
| 06:17:33 | thu | some world but ambientalized |
| 06:17:37 | thu | mm maybe blues |
| 06:18:09 | thu | dunno anything |
| 06:18:14 | thu | just tell me what you got last and liked |
| 06:18:22 | artine | Jazz: Bill Evans' Waltz for Debbie or anything from Miles Davis |
| 06:18:38 | earHurts | I like folk & classical |
| 06:18:49 | thu | I didn't get into classical yet |
| 06:18:56 | thu | I have to look at it some early morning |
| 06:19:07 | artine | ::nods:: They've got some pretty good selections in classical, but not nearly enough, IMHO. |
| 06:19:14 | earHurts | I don't know about the cap, but downloads see, to be slower the more I have queued OR completed |
| 06:19:16 | thu | today at 6am I was getting > 300KB/s from emusic |
| 06:19:40 | artine | World: Gabrielle Roth's Bardo is fantastic. Not a big fan of their others, though. |
| 06:19:56 | earHurts | so if I 'clear completed' form the dlm, it moves a bit faster |
| 06:20:11 | earHurts | s/form/from |
| 06:20:13 | artine | earHurts: How odd... I oughta check that out sometime. |
| 06:20:30 | thu | I'm obsessed by an Ancient Future song |
| 06:20:47 | artine | thu: Which'n? |
| 06:20:50 | thu | Playing: Ancient Future - Ne Po Pogrebu Bochonochek [120/475] |
| 06:21:02 | thu | mm I seem to have 475 songs from emusic now :) |
| 06:21:08 | artine | thu: Hmm... Don't think I've heard that one, oughta check it out :-) |
| 06:21:10 | thu | and this is my 2nd day |
| 06:21:16 | earHurts | the classical is what really does it for me; I'm afraid of buying classical cds for fear of getting bad renditions |
| 06:21:29 | thu | artine: it's a russian folk song but I heard it before and it somehow stuck to my mind |
| 06:21:43 | earHurts | so getting them form emusic really allows me to branch out |
| 06:21:52 | thu | earHurts: I hate the concert ones where you hear people cough and stuff |
| 06:22:02 | thu | studio recordings are generally good |
| 06:22:06 | thu | well for my taste anyway |
| 06:22:13 | artine | earHurts: Yeah, that's true. But they never seem to have the ones I'm looking for :-/ |
| 06:22:13 | earHurts | I really like the Koch & drg lablels |
| 06:22:39 | earHurts | do you guys like Gilbert & Sullivan? |
| 06:22:46 | thu | never heard of them |
| 06:22:49 | thu | what do they do? |
| 06:22:50 | artine | Nor've I. |
| 06:23:05 | earHurts | light comedic opera |
| 06:23:13 | artine | Hmmm... Are they on eMusic? |
| 06:23:15 | earHurts | Pirates of Penzance |
| 06:23:22 | thu | lol I even found gypsy music |
| 06:23:24 | earHurts | HMS|Pinafore? |
| 06:23:35 | earHurts | emusic has a best of |
| 06:23:47 | * | thu getting gabrielle roth |
| 06:24:42 | earHurts | how manu queued songs are you capped at? |
| 06:24:55 | thu | didn't try |
| 06:25:05 | thu | I generally have 1 album coming and another one queued |
| 06:25:08 | thu | the rest in in the stash |
| 06:25:15 | artine | 45, IIRC. |
| 06:25:18 | earHurts | try to queue as many as you can |
| 06:25:22 | thu | I'll be unhappy when they cap me at 2k songs though |
| 06:25:28 | earHurts | it's 35 for me |
| 06:25:31 | thu | probably before monday :-\ |
| 06:25:40 | artine | thu: I think what they do is eMail you and threaten to cancel your account if you hit 2000 :-/ |
| 06:25:50 | artine | thu: At least, that's the impression I've gotten from people on the Message Boards. |
| 06:25:52 | thu | artine: hehe to much bandwidth? :) |
| 06:26:00 | earHurts | half a cent per track, huh? |
| 06:26:05 | artine | thu: That and cutting into profits since they have to pay so much for each track downloaded. |
| 06:26:13 | thu | artine: thing is I can't leave a bot downloading or anything like that |
| 06:26:23 | thu | so I'm not a harvester |
| 06:26:28 | thu | I'm doing it by hand |
| 06:26:31 | thu | the site says unlimited |
| 06:26:37 | thu | so I'm not breaking any agreement with them |
| 06:26:44 | earHurts | yeah, I'd be happier with a cap if I could queue a bunch at a time |
| 06:26:46 | artine | thu: Yeah. I think people using bots are jerks, but somebody downloading by hand should be able to download as many as they want. |
| 06:26:48 | thu | if they said 2000 it would be ok |
| 06:26:56 | thu | heh it would be easy to use a bot |
| 06:27:00 | earHurts | if they said, precisely |
| 06:27:03 | artine | thu: I, and tons of people on the boards, agree wholeheartedly. |
| 06:27:17 | thu | you could just feed the downloader one album at a time |
| 06:27:24 | thu | and watch the bandwidth to see when it's finished |
| 06:27:30 | thu | but I don't do that :( |
| 06:27:57 | thu | not my fault that I wake up early in the morning and emusic works so good :) |
| 06:28:04 | artine | Hee hee :-) |
| 06:28:07 | thu | I think I got something like 6 albums while I was shaving |
| 06:28:20 | earHurts | how many tracks? |
| 06:28:43 | thu | Playing: Ella Fitzgerald - Since I Fell For You [253/484] |
| 06:28:47 | thu | 484 |
| 06:28:50 | thu | since yesterday |
| 06:28:53 | earHurts | oh |
| 06:29:00 | earHurts | not whilst shaving |
| 06:29:15 | thu | in the morning I got something like 50 tracks at least |
| 06:29:16 | thu | probably more |
| 06:29:26 | thu | around 300kb/s |
| 06:29:37 | earHurts | is the fitzgerald vbr? |
| 06:29:43 | thu | yues |
| 06:29:51 | earHurts | gonna go get that. |
| 06:30:05 | earHurts | I've got a few of hers already |
| 06:30:14 | thu | gabrielle roth sounds good |
| 06:30:23 | earHurts | what genre? |
| 06:30:25 | thu | earHurts: yeah lots of her albums.. I didn't know what to get |
| 06:30:27 | thu | jazz of course |
| 06:30:28 | thu | top of list |
| 06:30:40 | earHurts | new jazz or old style? |
| 06:30:49 | thu | go to jazz and she's on top of the list |
| 06:30:57 | artine | thu: Yeah, I really dig that Gabrielle Roth album. I was so excited to get all the others, but they don't sound anything like that one. |
| 06:30:59 | thu | bebop I think |
| 06:31:06 | earHurts | hmm |
| 06:31:42 | thu | I'm so used to p2p networks that I can't stand an idle downloader |
| 06:31:45 | thu | I like to feed it all the time |
| 06:32:20 | earHurts | i prefer legality |
| 06:32:49 | artine | I prefer the consistent sound quality of eMusic. I tried the p2p networks for a while, but there was no QC. Such a pain. |
| 06:32:53 | thu | I like emusic too |
| 06:33:04 | thu | yeah I can't say I got too much off p2p |
| 06:33:08 | thu | mostly out of friends |
| 06:33:11 | thu | who got it out of friends |
| 06:33:13 | thu | etc |
| 06:33:18 | thu | who encoded it |
| 06:33:45 | artine | Damn! My settings aren't applying unless I save and load them. I'm so close to having this feature fully implemented, and yet so far. |
| 06:33:46 | earHurts | want to do a test guys? |
| 06:33:48 | thu | oh and that guy who let me copy his 70 mp3 cd collection |
| 06:34:01 | earHurts | settings are a bitch |
| 06:34:09 | thu | who's implementing what? |
| 06:34:15 | artine | earHurts: Yeah they are |
| 06:34:22 | earHurts | settings don't save until the disk spins for another reason |
| 06:34:22 | artine | thu: I"m adding some new sorting features to RockBox |
| 06:34:44 | thu | artine: how hard is it to write a rock if i've never played with stuff like this before? |
| 06:34:44 | artine | earHurts: Some settings do seem to take effect immediately (show files of type (dirfilter)) for example. |
| 06:35:00 | thu | artine: in other words how much hardware do I have to know and how much is just C api? |
| 06:35:00 | earHurts | are not saved to disk |
| 06:35:20 | thu | artine: I was thinking of doing some sync software |
| 06:35:27 | earHurts | it's all C unless you want to talk directly to the hardware |
| 06:35:39 | earHurts | let's do a test of emusic. |
| 06:35:42 | thu | hmm I don't think I need to do that |
| 06:35:45 | thu | okay.. test what? |
| 06:35:55 | artine | thu: Depends on what you're doing. For me, it was mostly just API, except for getting the time/dates of files when they were being loaded. |
| 06:36:03 | thu | I'd only need to store the pc music library on the jukebox |
| 06:36:04 | earHurts | d/l speed: we all d/l the same thing |
| 06:36:07 | artine | thu: But for sync software, you'd prolly need to know a bit more hardware. |
| 06:36:09 | thu | then browse it and save requests in a file |
| 06:36:20 | thu | artine: nah.. the syncing is done by the pc software |
| 06:36:30 | thu | artine: it just moves music in and out |
| 06:36:31 | artine | earHurts: Can't join in the test, I'm on my development platform, so I don't have the DLM installed :-/ |
| 06:37:00 | thu | artine: the only thing that I must do on the archos is to store and browse the pc media library and save requests into a file |
| 06:37:08 | thu | artine: I got the idea from neuros |
| 06:37:11 | thu | it has software that does that |
| 06:37:17 | artine | thu: (Although it took me a good 1.5 hours just to find the parts of the code that I needed to be working with.) |
| 06:37:18 | thu | you can request a file from the hard drive when you're on the move |
| 06:37:27 | thu | then when you sync you get the stuff |
| 06:37:44 | artine | thu: Hmm... That'd be pretty cool... That seems like it'd be more of a computer thing than an archos prog, though. |
| 06:37:50 | thu | right |
| 06:37:53 | earHurts | yeah |
| 06:37:57 | thu | I'm no archos programmer either |
| 06:38:12 | artine | thu: If you know C, you can learn the archos pretty quickly. |
| 06:38:18 | thu | it still needs to have a library manager and a browser on rockbox |
| 06:38:35 | thu | I'm not sure what happens when you move the files on your pc though |
| 06:39:17 | thu | artine: also my alternate idea was an interactive text-to-speech generated nethack kind of game |
| 06:39:22 | artine | thu: Post your idea to the listserv and see if you can get some suggestions. |
| 06:39:35 | thu | artine: that would be sweet in a perverse kind of way |
| 06:39:52 | artine | thu: I don't think that's really feasible on the archos hardware, actually. |
| 06:40:08 | thu | artine: why not? can't you play short mp3s? |
| 06:40:15 | earHurts | games with sound won't be playable with music playing |
| 06:40:22 | thu | I realize that |
| 06:40:34 | artine | thu: Oh, yeah, you can do that. I thought you meant generating the speech in realtime. |
| 06:40:42 | thu | no |
| 06:40:47 | thu | just filling a dir with tons of short files |
| 06:40:55 | thu | generated automatically with a text to speech engine |
| 06:40:59 | artine | thu: Ah, that might be conceivable. |
| 06:41:21 | thu | artine: so you'd have a sort of interactive book on tape |
| 06:41:30 | * | artine nods |
| 06:41:32 | thu | artine: that's more work though |
| 06:41:37 | artine | thu: Lots. |
| 06:41:43 | thu | artine: and it needs a good TTS engine.. like at&t |
| 06:41:46 | artine | thu: But it could be a fun little project. |
| 06:42:02 | thu | mm I wonder how much text nethack has in it |
| 06:42:26 | earHurts | lots |
| 06:42:38 | thu | still.. voice doesn't need hiq sound |
| 06:43:02 | thu | the other problem would be that it would require tons of disk access |
| 06:43:09 | thu | so the drive would be spinning non-stop |
| 06:43:21 | thu | buh bye battery life |
| 06:43:41 | thu | oh well.. back to the sync software then :) |
| 06:43:46 | artine | thu: Heh. Good point. |
| 06:43:58 | earHurts | um |
| 06:43:58 | thu | artine: any idea how much memory a recorder has? |
| 06:44:05 | thu | the buffer thing |
| 06:44:08 | artine | thu: 2MB, I believe. |
| 06:44:38 | earHurts | about 1.6 for the mp3 |
| 06:44:39 | thu | not enough for any intelligent sound preloading |
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| 06:45:01 | thu | okay.. getting back to the real world |
| 06:45:10 | artine | Hee hee |
| 06:45:10 | thu | what features would you guys like in a rockbox syncer |
| 06:45:11 | thu | ? |
| 06:45:23 | thu | I'm still evaluating whether I wanna get into this |
| 06:45:46 | earHurts | somebody on the list already has a syncer |
| 06:45:54 | thu | oh they do? |
| 06:45:56 | earHurts | you might look at his |
| 06:46:01 | artine | thu: Think CVS... It'd be frickin' awesome if I could just type archos-sync update, and then it automatically updates my MP3s onto the archos |
| 06:46:01 | thu | link |
| 06:46:01 | thu | ? |
| 06:46:06 | earHurts | dunno |
| 06:46:17 | earHurts | I use another product |
| 06:46:27 | * | ClosetPacifist just types archstuff to sync his. |
| 06:46:27 | thu | product? |
| 06:46:29 | earHurts | I just want to mirror |
| 06:46:40 | thu | oh I don't mean mirror |
| 06:46:49 | thu | I mean 80G of mp3 on pc and 20G of space on archos |
| 06:46:51 | thu | like in my case |
| 06:46:56 | thu | mirroring is easy |
| 06:47:10 | earHurts | yeah, that's why I have 60 on the archos |
| 06:47:21 | artine | ::drools:: |
| 06:47:34 | earHurts | and a bent case |
| 06:47:37 | thu | I'm too destructive to upgrade mine |
| 06:47:40 | artine | Ouch. What happened? |
| 06:47:50 | thu | he used a bigger hammer :) |
| 06:47:53 | thu | like the good book says |
| 06:47:55 | artine | LOL |
| 06:47:56 | earHurts | I bent it to swap the drives |
| 06:48:25 | earHurts | no bigge |
| 06:49:34 | * | thu wonders where his irc logs are |
| 06:51:59 | artine | Okay, this is weird now. My settings will become effective immediately if I also change other settings, but not if I change mine alone... |
| 06:52:38 | OliverKlozoff | you probably forgot to call some code |
| 06:52:51 | earHurts | reboot. set your settings. play a track. reboot. |
| 06:53:20 | earHurts | you did and code to settings_save |
| 06:53:32 | artine | OliverKlozoff: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But dirfilter is one of those that takes place immediately, and I'm not doing anything markedly different from it. |
| 06:53:33 | * | thu looks for his good rockbox ideas in his irc logs |
| 06:53:45 | artine | earHurts: Yep, it's all added. |
| 06:53:48 | thu | oh right.. stats |
| 06:54:04 | thu | some rockbox watchdog that could tell ya about stuff you keep around but you never listen to |
| 06:54:35 | earHurts | there is an id3 tag for that |
| 06:54:40 | earHurts | consider using it |
| 06:54:47 | artine | thu: Yeah, that was a cool feature that I like about the Rio back when I was researching portable MP3 players. I was gonna try to implement something like that, but I decided it was too much hassle :-) |
| 06:55:06 | thu | hmm but then again there is stuff I keep around because I want the whole discography |
| 06:55:15 | earHurts | btw, windows media player will severely fuck with your tags |
| 06:55:35 | thu | unfortunatelly it doesn't work well on linux :) |
| 06:58:07 | OliverKlozoff | whats windows media player? |
| 06:58:10 | OliverKlozoff | is that like winamp? |
| 06:58:23 | earHurts | yeah |
| 06:58:29 | thu | it's like xmms but worse |
| 06:58:43 | earHurts | damned thing even added a copyright to my mp3s |
| 06:59:10 | earHurts | I got them from emusic; emusic could have added a copyright if one was needed |
| 06:59:10 | artine | earHurts: You mean just playing an MP3 will cause it to write ID3 tags??? |
| 06:59:18 | earHurts | yes |
| 06:59:23 | artine | earHurts: Yikes... |
| 06:59:31 | earHurts | there are settings to disable this |
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| 07:00:18 | earHurts | it also adds proprietart tags, with tag titles prefixed WM/ |
| 07:00:42 | artine | Most unpleasant. |
| 07:00:58 | earHurts | it does do a good job of looking up track composers though |
| 07:01:14 | earHurts | what is needed is a freedb for id3 tags |
| 07:01:25 | artine | That'd be spiffy. |
| 07:03:24 | earHurts | wmp also has the worst interface this side of music match |
| 07:04:25 | earHurts | fortunately, I've stayed with a much older version of wmp at home |
| 07:07:15 | artine | Okay, maybe someone can help me. My new settings take effect if I reboot the machine, if I play a file, or if I change another setting. But they do not take effect immediately just from changing my setting. My setting pretty much requires the box to reload the directory listing. Any idea how I can force that to happen? |
| 07:08:50 | artine | Wait, I take that back: simply playing a file does not cause it to take effect. |
| 07:08:53 | earHurts | oh, you wante the dir cache invalidated? |
| 07:09:08 | artine | earHurts: That's my current theory, yes. :-) |
| 07:09:28 | earHurts | becasuse you change the sort order? |
| 07:09:56 | artine | earHurts: Right. |
| 07:10:31 | earHurts | dunno how, but tree.c probably has a way to invalidate the cache |
| 07:11:15 | artine | earHurts: You're prolly right. I'll have a little look-see. |
| 07:23:11 | artine | Hmm... I got it working through a bit of a hack. In build_dir, I told it to always reload_root when it returns from main_menu. Now I just need to figure out why main_menu is returning true for the other settings and not mine... |
| 07:23:50 | earHurts | I assume true means a change occurred? |
| 07:24:05 | artine | Or, dirbrowse(), rather than build_dir() |
| 07:24:24 | * | thu downloading loong ambiental tracks |
| 07:24:35 | artine | earHurts: Well, no actually... True means USB is connected... At least, that's the only condition I can find for it to return true. That and there being some sort of function attached to the menu item. (Which there isn't for dirfilter) |
| 07:24:44 | earHurts | get bamboo rainsticks |
| 07:25:20 | thu | yup it's on my list |
| 07:25:27 | thu | is there a todo list for rockbox? |
| 07:25:32 | earHurts | maybe you need a special function then, which will return true on a change |
| 07:25:36 | thu | something a new guy might look at for places to start? |
| 07:25:49 | earHurts | look at the requests list |
| 07:25:50 | artine | thu: Feature Requests, from the main page |
| 07:26:23 | artine | earHurts: Yeah, I was thinking I could do that if all else fails. Just doesn't make sense that mine would need it and the others, which are of the same format, wouldn't... |
| 07:26:57 | earHurts | the others don't need to invalidate the cache, do they? |
| 07:28:59 | thu | darn I have no way of implementing any of this stuff |
| 07:29:35 | artine | earHurts: Yes. The ones I've played with, anyway. |
| 07:29:38 | thu | hmm this is cool.. automatic volume adjustment using the builtin mic |
| 07:29:43 | thu | I wonder if it's possible |
| 07:29:50 | earHurts | it's not |
| 07:30:07 | earHurts | I asked about doing that a couple of days ago |
| 07:30:19 | earHurts | mic doesn't worl while playing |
| 07:30:19 | thu | too bad |
| 07:30:31 | thu | they should close the request then |
| 07:31:08 | thu | what about sound activated recording? |
| 07:31:36 | earHurts | that should be doable |
| 07:32:02 | artine | thu: But prolly not a good first project... |
| 07:32:08 | thu | heh what is then |
| 07:32:12 | earHurts | problem is this: data is put into mp3 format BEFORE you see it |
| 07:32:16 | artine | thu: Might be better to start with something a bit easier, just to learn about it. |
| 07:32:20 | thu | Write a driver for Windows XP that is digitally signed. |
| 07:32:24 | thu | mm nice request :) |
| 07:32:42 | thu | only micros~1 signs stuff iirc |
| 07:33:18 | earHurts | you want a project, thu? |
| 07:33:25 | thu | earHurts: I'm considering one |
| 07:33:43 | earHurts | ok, I'll give you a simple on to start with |
| 07:33:54 | thu | what would that b? |
| 07:34:54 | earHurts | make the play button, for directories, do what on+playlplaylistlinsert first does |
| 07:35:08 | earHurts | in other words, play a directory |
| 07:35:31 | thu | hmm got it |
| 07:35:36 | artine | That'd be very nice. |
| 07:35:44 | artine | And shouldn't be too terribly tough. |
| 07:36:10 | thu | how would you get into the dir then? |
| 07:36:22 | earHurts | right button |
| 07:36:31 | thu | mm right |
| 07:36:51 | earHurts | might not do for players |
| 07:37:21 | thu | okay I'll start with the first time docs |
| 07:37:25 | thu | see where I get to |
| 07:37:28 | earHurts | ok, can you have that by, say, Monday? |
| 07:37:56 | thu | I have no idea |
| 07:38:08 | thu | probably not but who knows |
| 07:38:48 | earHurts | Then you're fired! |
| 07:38:56 | earHurts | damn contractors! |
| 07:39:11 | artine | Hee hee. Fired from a volunteer, open source project. :-) |
| 07:39:28 | artine | Gawd, thu, pitiful :-P |
| 07:39:37 | * | thu ducks |
| 07:39:38 | earHurts | and I'm not even a member of the executive cmmtt |
| 07:42:35 | thu | hmm on news.gmane.org there is nothing from the mailing list |
| 07:42:40 | thu | just a single message |
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| 07:56:26 | artine | Whoa... I finally figured it out. I just got unlucky: turns out there's a special case in dirbrowse() for the two settings that I had tested. LOL. Programming drives me nuts sometimes :-) |
| 07:56:56 | earHurts | told ya |
| 07:57:30 | artine | Hee hee. |
| 07:57:34 | artine | Sneaky little bastards. |
| 07:57:52 | artine | It was in the middle of a 4 line if clause... |
| 07:59:36 | earHurts | lot of that sort of thing in rockbox |
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| 08:01:56 | artine | Sweet. It works now. |
| 08:01:58 | artine | Bedtime |
| 08:01:59 | artine | :-) |
| 08:02:02 | artine | Have a good one, all. |
| 08:02:20 | earHurts | night |
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| 08:05:57 | thu | nite |
| 08:05:58 | thu | i'm off too |
| 08:06:10 | thu | got myself a river flowing |
| 08:06:14 | thu | made me sleepy |
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| 20:39:23 | eXus_ | hi |
| 20:39:50 | eXus_ | need some help (again) |
| 20:41:47 | eXus_ | I ask, hope someone'll answer : what the value of the tension delivered by the FM recorder charger (9V 600mA) when unplugged from the player ? |
| 20:42:54 | eXus_ | (mean is it an intelligent charger, which delivers a tension only if plugged to some device ?) |
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| 21:11:06 | OliverKlozoff | tension? |
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| 21:30:06 | OliverKlozoff | sup thu |
| 21:30:15 | thu | hey |
| 21:31:10 | OliverKlozoff | you wouldn't happen to be loaded with experience on writing Windows device drivers, would you? |
| 21:39:30 | thu | far from that |
| 21:39:37 | thu | I'm not even using windows |
| 21:40:58 | eXus | sorry Oliver, didn't saw u'r question |
| 21:41:35 | eXus | yeah, tension (is it the wrong word ????) |
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| 21:54:31 | _Jiggy_ | 'lo guys |
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| 21:54:41 | ClosetPacifist | ello |
| 21:54:58 | _Jiggy_ | Heya mate, you involved in this project ? |
| 21:55:21 | ClosetPacifist | not really, just use it and try to get the cross compiler running |
| 21:55:32 | _Jiggy_ | :) |
| 21:56:20 | _Jiggy_ | I found my Archos earlier, haven't played with it for a year or so and remembered the start of an open source firmware project... anyway, I just wanted to say thanks to the developers. Works a treat. |
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| 22:52:56 | [IDC]Dragon | 'Evening! |
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| 23:14:26 | [IDC]Dragon | Does anybody know if and how I can distinguish Player/Recorder/FM at _runtime_? |
| 23:14:39 | OliverKlozoff | hmmmm. |
| 23:14:43 | OliverKlozoff | an interesting challenge |
| 23:15:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't like 3 builds for my boot code. |
| 23:15:14 | OliverKlozoff | it should be easy for the player vs non-player |
| 23:15:28 | [IDC]Dragon | By what? |
| 23:15:36 | OliverKlozoff | oh, I see |
| 23:16:01 | OliverKlozoff | ok, the Players have a different ATA addressing method |
| 23:16:27 | [IDC]Dragon | Which is found out how? |
| 23:17:12 | OliverKlozoff | well |
| 23:17:15 | OliverKlozoff | probing? |
| 23:17:40 | OliverKlozoff | theres ata probing code in RB |
| 23:17:49 | [IDC]Dragon | YOu may be right, I think I've seen that code. |
| 23:18:02 | OliverKlozoff | if you look |
| 23:18:14 | OliverKlozoff | ata.c points ATA_NSECTOR at 0x06100102 |
| 23:18:42 | OliverKlozoff | ATA_NSECTOR is actually 0x06100002 on a player |
| 23:18:53 | OliverKlozoff | and 0x06000102 on a recorder/fm |
| 23:20:08 | [IDC]Dragon | These registers are physically in the harddrive? |
| 23:21:56 | [IDC]Dragon | gotta go, see you! |
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