#rockbox 2003-07-09

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#rockbox log for 2003-07-09

00:00:07	Zagor	no, just asking
00:00:47	[IDC]Dragon	I made my first 2 plugins, it would be a chance to upgrade.
00:03:19	[IDC]Dragon	ANother plugin question: for strange reasons, I had to make calls to button_get(true) twice, the first one just falls through. Am I doing something wrong?
00:04:14	Zagor	sounds like you're getting a button release you weren't expecting
00:04:21		Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving")
00:04:58	[IDC]Dragon	button release?
00:05:08	Zagor	yes, both press and release produce an event
00:05:45	[IDC]Dragon	I don't care about such, just want to wait for a button to be pressed and get the result which it was.
00:06:10	LinusN\|away	[IDC]Dragon: then throw away the release event
00:06:28	[IDC]Dragon	button = rb->button_get(true);
00:06:28	[IDC]Dragon
00:06:28	[IDC]Dragon	if (button != BUTTON_F2)
00:07:04	[IDC]Dragon	That seems to be not enough. How do I filter out release?
00:07:30	LinusN\|away	you can read just about any source file in rockbox to find that out
00:07:57	Zagor	you need to loop until you get the button you want
00:08:40	[IDC]Dragon	That's what I did, and found only such straightforward code, so that I wasn't seeing release events.
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00:09:19	[IDC]Dragon	Anyway, don't worry, I'll look closer.
00:10:57		Quit msoultan (Client Quit)
00:11:45	Zagor	about the compression algorithm, i'm planning to make it possible for plugins to request use of the mpeg ram buffer (in which case the user must accept if music is playing)
00:12:29	[IDC]Dragon	Oh, that would help.
00:13:17		Quit _aLF ("bye")
00:13:50	[IDC]Dragon	At the very beginning (before the plugins came) I wanted the flasher code to do so, but now I work sector by sector, which is perfectly OK for now.
00:13:57	MT	Like supplied here, the first image is the original Archos firmware,
00:13:59	MT	umm
00:14:10	MT	just to be a norty quibbler, we cant surely supply that
00:14:35	[IDC]Dragon	Why not? Archos does so as well.
00:14:35	Zagor	MT: you're right
00:14:44	Zagor	yes, but they own it. we don't.
00:14:57	MT	wooooah
00:15:03	MT	my battery meter is going mad
00:15:05	[IDC]Dragon	It's downloadable from the internet.
00:15:11	MT	it goes 0, 34, 68, 100, 0
00:15:17	MT	and keep cycleing
00:15:27	Zagor	yes, but that doesn't matter. it's still illegal to redistribute it. quirky, but true.
00:15:40	Stevie-O	what if we acquired permission?
00:15:58	[IDC]Dragon	Hmm, then I'd need to compress it in at runtime?
00:16:29	Zagor	Stevie-O: well, do you enjoy pulling teeth? ;)
00:16:39	[IDC]Dragon	Stevie: don't expect them to grant permission to out flash experiments!
00:16:47	Stevie-O	i wouldn't expect that either
00:16:49	[IDC]Dragon	our
00:17:01	Stevie-O	but i thought the question of permission was for providing copies of the original fw
00:17:12	Zagor	dragon: either on-the-fly compression or an extra step with read-out+compress
00:17:42	[IDC]Dragon	The user could author the flash content by himself.
00:17:46	MT	or a simple pc tool to create the image from an archos firmware
00:18:18	[IDC]Dragon	Off-line, I mean, from the dumped firmware and our stuff.
00:18:53	[IDC]Dragon	Just makes it more complicated.
00:19:24	Zagor	yes. i think a plugin with compression would be the best solution.
00:20:05	Bio_Hazard	i be back
00:20:13	[IDC]Dragon	I think for the first tests I'll ignore those concerns.
00:20:34	Zagor	yes
00:21:26	Zagor	i'm just trying to be careful about not giving anyone a legal ground to give us a hard time
00:21:41	Bio_Hazard	anyway, i resized the GB image and text is for the most part, unreadable (it was pretty bad to begin with :) )
00:22:02	[IDC]Dragon	zagor: understood.
00:23:33	Bio_Hazard	this renders RPGs (zelda, pokemon, FF) unplayable (or at least very difficult)
00:23:42	Stevie-O	oh man
00:24:25	Stevie-O	and I was hoping to play (reasonably well) on a 12mhz cpu, some games that were written for an 8mhz cpu
00:24:48	Stevie-O	but doom is still a go, right?
00:24:56	Stevie-O	err doom 3
00:25:10	Zagor	duke nukem forever is my next plugin
00:26:11	Stevie-O	what about duke3d?
00:26:26	Zagor	nah, too lousy graphics
00:26:31	Stevie-O	ok
00:26:31	Stevie-O	btw, the office xp plugin should be in next week
00:26:44	Zagor	excellent
00:26:53	Bio_Hazard	but games like mario and stuff play for the most part... fun
00:27:06	Bio_Hazard	rolleyes i get it...
00:27:06	Stevie-O	I also ported Mozilla
00:27:20	Stevie-O	I need to get the ip-over-serial thing working though
00:27:41	Stevie-O	also, most webpages arent well optimized for 112x64
00:27:54	[IDC]Dragon	I don't see it: how does button_get(true) give break codes? Everywhere the result is just compared against those defines, or switch-cased. Why does that not work for me?
00:27:55	Bio_Hazard	i get it, i get it...
00:28:04	devZer0	steve: wap-pages are :)
00:28:11	Stevie-O	bah
00:28:14	Stevie-O	I wanna read /.
00:28:16	Stevie-O	on my mp3 player
00:28:26	Bio_Hazard	gezz... you thought it was a good idea a while ago... :P
00:28:37	Zagor	Bio_Hazard: it's not really directed to you, it's more a running joke
00:28:37	devZer0	html2ascii will be ok 4 /. :D
00:28:50	Bio_Hazard	ah...
00:29:02	Stevie-O	its not?
00:29:03	Bio_Hazard	id like to see an RPG plugin
00:29:03	Stevie-O	i mean
00:29:04	Stevie-O	yeah
00:29:05	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Stevie-O
00:29:05	Stevie-O	its not
00:29:11	Stevie-O	dude
00:29:15	Stevie-O	somebody write 3-demon
00:29:16	Stevie-O	!
00:29:42	Stevie-O	http://abandonware.universal.av7.net/Jeux/3-Demon.1983.html
00:29:44	Bio_Hazard	whats up with sokoban lately?
00:29:50	Stevie-O	i had that on my 8088
00:30:03	Bio_Hazard	it dosent seem to work...
00:30:03	Stevie-O	the music was from The Sting
00:30:21	Zagor	opera7 has a neat display mode: small screen. it renders any page 250-pixel wide
00:30:35	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: you need to put the levels.txt file in /.rockbox/sokoban
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00:30:44	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: file can be found at rockbox.haxx.se/levels.txt
00:30:47	Bio_Hazard	levels.txt?
00:30:56	devZer0	heee - not so much energy on the gaming stuff. this is an MP3 JUKEBOX. go buy a gameboy if you want to play games :D
00:31:48	devZer0	ok - some more arcade classics would be nice, though :D
00:32:06	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Any of the dev team available for some tech help?
00:32:08	devZer0	asteroids, breakout, pacman.....
00:32:45	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I've skimmed over the bugs and faq and I think I have a unique problem
00:32:54	Zagor	OMFG100038DKDDkd: go ahead
00:32:58	devZer0	omfgabcdefghijkl: i think some are still here
00:33:00	Bio_Hazard	i still think GB EMU would be cool
00:33:01	devZer0	:)
00:33:12	Bio_Hazard	even if overkill
00:33:22	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I have a jukebox 6000 and I just did install your 2.0 versoin for this player
00:33:29	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Initialy everything ran fine
00:33:39	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I played with settings and what not
00:33:58	OMFG100038DKDDkd	but after messing with the playlist it was giving problems
00:34:03	OMFG100038DKDDkd	constant slow downs
00:34:11	OMFG100038DKDDkd	now it doesn't completely boot
00:34:19	Bio_Hazard	i cant get playlists at all :P
00:34:38	Zagor	OMFG100038DKDDkd: doesn't boot?
00:34:48	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I'll turn it on and it will display ROCKbox!
00:34:59	OMFG100038DKDDkd	and nothing else and will go no further
00:35:05	Bio_Hazard	we should be able to customize the logo
00:35:29	OMFG100038DKDDkd	the red led comes on aswell
00:35:59	Zagor	OMFG100038DKDDkd: odd. have you tried a daily build?
00:36:02	Bio_Hazard	what does viewer.rock do?
00:36:16	Bio_Hazard	and HelloWorld.rock
00:36:21	Zagor	Bio_Hazard: it's the text viewer
00:36:25	devZer0	omfg: if you mount the box to usb - do you have access to the disk?
00:36:28	OMFG100038DKDDkd	No I haven't, and the thing is I won't be able to because my computer locks up when I plug in the USB
00:36:37	devZer0	bio: helloworld shows "hello world"
00:36:38	devZer0	:D
00:36:44	Bio_Hazard	thats all?
00:36:52	Zagor	Bio_Hazard: it's a plugin example
00:36:53	devZer0	it`s just a example plugin
00:36:56	Bio_Hazard	ah
00:36:58		Nick LinusN\|away is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
00:37:33	Bio_Hazard	anyone willing to give me a sample of code to make scrolling text (like the credits)
00:37:48	devZer0	omfg: did your computer do that before?
00:37:56	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: how about looking at the credits code... =)
00:37:56	Bio_Hazard	and anyone know of a good free C compiler?
00:38:01	Zagor	Bio_Hazard: why not simply look in the credits?
00:38:04	OMFG100038DKDDkd	No my computer ran fine
00:38:19	devZer0	bio: look @ the sources for the scrolling text :)
00:38:33	Bio_Hazard	i have never programed before... im so new so ill be asking a LOAD of dumb questions...
00:38:52	devZer0	bio
00:38:55	Bio_Hazard	what do i need to start
00:39:03	LinusN	OMFG100038DKDDkd: i think your file system may have been corrupt, and the playlist creation f*cked it up good
00:39:14	Bio_Hazard	programming in win
00:39:14	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Yeah seems like it
00:39:16	devZer0	bio: if you never programmed before, i don`t think rockbox code is the best place to begin...
00:39:21	LinusN	and the rockbox image got overwritten
00:39:22	Bio_Hazard	i know
00:39:42	Bio_Hazard	i have done ACS but thats different
00:39:48	devZer0	omfg: it also could be a hardware problem with the hdd....perhaps...
00:40:02	LinusN	OMFG100038DKDDkd: try too start the jukebox and plug in the usb cable after a few seconds, before rockbox starts
00:40:14	OMFG100038DKDDkd	alright hang on
00:40:19	Bio_Hazard	just start it with the usb in
00:40:33	LinusN	Bio_Hazard: butnhe says the computer hangs
00:40:38	LinusN	but he
00:40:49	OMFG100038DKDDkd	yeah its hanging right now
00:40:52	Bio_Hazard	the comp hangs on archos usb?
00:41:01	Bio_Hazard	or rockbox?
00:41:06	devZer0	bio: did you program any languages? what is acs?
00:41:17	LinusN	OMFG100038DKDDkd: did you plug in the usb cable before starting the jukebox?
00:41:37	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Wow hang on
00:41:40	OMFG100038DKDDkd	that was new
00:41:46	Bio_Hazard	ACS = Action Code Scripting (HEXEN) it is like C++ im told...
00:41:59	Bio_Hazard	im quite good at it
00:42:01	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I powered it on and after a few seconds plugged it in
00:42:33	LinusN	and KABOOOOOM!
00:42:43	OMFG100038DKDDkd	and my computer hung for a long while
00:43:02	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I'm trying to browse in My computer
00:43:42	Bio_Hazard	OMFG: are u using Win98?
00:43:50	OMFG100038DKDDkd	2k
00:43:53	Bio_Hazard	nm
00:44:22	OMFG100038DKDDkd	yes this is really slowing my computer down but I think I'm making progress
00:44:23	Bio_Hazard	i sometimes have probs with that... but browsing thru a network usually works...
00:45:28	devZer0	omfg: does your archos hdd sound "normal"?
00:45:38	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Yes it does
00:45:44	devZer0	you should do a scandisk and check the filesystem for errors
00:45:48	Bio_Hazard	did you give it the RBM treatment?
00:46:04	OMFG100038DKDDkd	That is if I could browse to it
00:46:40	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I'll be back in a bit, I'll try to see if I can browse to it
00:47:39	Bio_Hazard	so how would i begin coding ROCKS under win98? any environments i need? compilers?
00:48:23	devZer0	bio: if you gonna learn programming, you should get a book about C and an compiler - maybe http://www.bloodshed.net/dev/devcpp.html could be useful
00:48:32	Bio_Hazard	i have a book
00:48:38	Zagor	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/firsttime.html
00:49:17	devZer0	for hacking rockbox, i have an win32sdk in the "queue" - it will support building the uisimulator, so you can easily build
00:49:23	devZer0	and test ".rocks"
00:49:40	Bio_Hazard	really?
00:49:40	devZer0	and the helloworld is a good way to start
00:49:54	devZer0	you could install cygwin, too
00:50:12	Bio_Hazard	what <i>is</i> cgywin?
00:50:13	devZer0	my sdk is just a stripped down and easier to install version of that
00:50:43	Bio_Hazard	i need a fairly simple to install version
00:52:03	Bio_Hazard	i know how to code in ACS, i know how to use Windows and DOS and Photoshop (i know that PS has nothing to do with rockbox) fluently...
00:53:04	devZer0	bio: stay tuned - sdk will be released soon, i think
00:53:10	Bio_Hazard	cool
00:53:40	devZer0	if you can`t wait, i could send you "preliminary" version
00:53:51	Bio_Hazard	so, how does a compiler work? do you just run a notepad file with code in it thru the compiler?
00:54:10	hardeep	uhm, there is already a stripped down cygwin available for rockbox: http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html
00:54:18	hardeep	and you can build the win32 uisimulator from it
00:54:24	devZer0	yes - this is what i`m talking about
00:54:33	devZer0	no - not yet!
00:55:10	hardeep	devZer0: are you roland?
00:55:22	devZer0	yes :)
00:55:27	hardeep	ah, okay
00:55:39	hardeep	devZer0: i thought you had a working simulator build
00:55:56	devZer0	yes - but it`s not for public download yet
00:56:13	Bio_Hazard	i would really rather have an exe file
00:56:13	devZer0	i announced it on the list once - but it was too early...
00:56:26	devZer0	you get an exe file :D
00:56:31	Bio_Hazard	:D
00:56:38	Bio_Hazard	i cant wait...
00:56:57	devZer0	mhhh
00:57:24	devZer0	wait a moment
00:58:24	Bio_Hazard	i shall produce "the worlds most worthless plugins" and maybe even "a program that only 1 person in the history of the universe would ever be able to possibly fathom a use for" plugin!
00:58:58	Bio_Hazard	thats if all goes well
00:59:06	devZer0	i send you a link
00:59:11	Bio_Hazard	cool
00:59:13	Bio_Hazard	:D
00:59:15	devZer0	www.my-vserver.de/RockBox-SDK_Win32.exe
00:59:22	devZer0	�hhh
00:59:47	devZer0	rockbox.my-vserver.de/RockBox-SDK_Win32.exe
01:00
01:00:04	devZer0	but we need some manual tuning
01:00:33	Bio_Hazard	so i just run that to sim rockbox?
01:00:58	devZer0	you need that so you can COMPILE the simulator
01:01:07	Bio_Hazard	?
01:01:13	devZer0	the simulator is not a simulator which runs .ajz files
01:01:18	Bio_Hazard	(inexperince is kicking in)
01:01:22	devZer0	as you are used to....
01:01:40	devZer0	normally a simulator does interpret original firmware roms
01:01:50	devZer0	think of gameboy simulators....
01:01:58	Zagor	no, that's an emulator
01:02:05	Bio_Hazard	an EMU and a SIM are different
01:02:07	devZer0	ok - you are right :D
01:02:27	devZer0	the uisimulator is just a special "rockbox build"
01:03:00	devZer0	most of it is the same code - there is some code added to make it a windows/linux application
01:03:28	devZer0	and so, you need to rebuild it if you change something inside rockbox code
01:04:01	Bio_Hazard	so i get a rockbox source packet, treat it like a GB rom and feed it to the prog you put up?
01:04:20	devZer0	mhhh
01:04:29	devZer0	not exactly
01:04:37	Bio_Hazard	or is there a special source packet?
01:04:52	Bio_Hazard	(after i do this once ill rebember)
01:05:08	devZer0	my exe is just a self extracting "zip alike" archive
01:05:34	devZer0	it installs into a directory structure and you have somewhat a minimalistic "unix" environment on your windows pc
01:05:58	devZer0	it delivers all the tools you need for the build process of rockbox
01:06:16	devZer0	i.e. there is a shell, there is a compiler, there is a linker, there are libraries.....
01:06:21	Zagor	i'm off for bed. see you, guys
01:06:23	devZer0	and headerfiles...
01:06:26		Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
01:06:27	devZer0	bye zagor
01:06:57	devZer0	then you download the rockbox source
01:07:06	Bio_Hazard	so i put what files where?
01:07:23	devZer0	you put the sourcefiles to a special directory
01:07:32	Bio_Hazard	http://rockbox.haxx.se/showlog.cgi?date=2003-07-08%2014%3A20%3A00&type=Recorder%20-%
01:07:34	devZer0	and then start the "configure" script
01:07:34	Bio_Hazard	that one?
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01:08:46	devZer0	look on http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml
01:08:53	devZer0	there are source tarballs
01:09:03	devZer0	you know what .tar.gz is?
01:09:11	Bio_Hazard	no i dont
01:09:22	devZer0	it is similar to .zip
01:09:35	devZer0	you can download that and "unzip" that.
01:09:40	Bio_Hazard	i know that much
01:09:52	devZer0	(ok, on unix that is 2 steps - first ungzip, then untar)
01:10:08	[IDC]Dragon	Linus, how is that: For coldstart, I repeat the first 3 steps of ata::init() for 10 seconds, until they go through, with sleeps inbetween.
01:10:09	devZer0	and you have all the files belonging to rockbox "in place"
01:10:12	Bio_Hazard	step 1. get tarball...
01:10:39	devZer0	inside the tarball there is a script called "configure"
01:10:44	Bio_Hazard	getting tarball = http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/rockbox-daily-20030708.tar.gz
01:11:11	devZer0	configure asks you, which type of rockbox you want to build, in which language etc...
01:11:17	freshmaker	hello there!
01:11:21	devZer0	hello!
01:11:34	Bio_Hazard	tarball http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/rockbox-daily-20030708.tar.gz gotten
01:11:45	Bio_Hazard	step 2. unzip tarball
01:11:53	devZer0	no - first install the sdk
01:12:03	Bio_Hazard	?
01:12:10	devZer0	without that , the tarball is nothing - it`s just the sources
01:12:17	devZer0	did you download the win32 sdk?
01:12:21	Bio_Hazard	yea
01:12:27	devZer0	please install it
01:12:34	Bio_Hazard	i unzipped it
01:12:39	devZer0	eg to a folder c:\rockbox-devel
01:12:57	devZer0	i hope you didn`t unzip to c:\
01:12:58	Bio_Hazard	does it need to be root?
01:13:05	Bio_Hazard	of course not
01:13:16	devZer0	root? on a windows box?
01:13:16	Bio_Hazard	only a fool unzips to c:\
01:13:20	devZer0	:D
01:13:39	freshmaker	i have a problem with latest CVS and resume: it always fails with "error accessing playlist control file". there is a /.rockbox dir and the playlist file is created but empty.
01:14:03	Bio_Hazard	its on my desktop
01:14:07	Bio_Hazard	in a folder
01:14:12	devZer0	fresh: look into the irc log - this was discussed today, as far as i can remember
01:14:13	LinusN	freshmaker: use the latest bleeding edge build
01:14:42	devZer0	bio: the desktop is not the best place - because paths are very long
01:14:52	Bio_Hazard	i c ur point
01:14:59	devZer0	i would recommend, you unpack it to c:\a-folder-you-like
01:15:02	Bio_Hazard	d:\rockboxdev
01:15:08	freshmaker	LinusN: I just pulled it out of CVS and compiled it. it is the latest version (1.201 tree.c)
01:15:16	Bio_Hazard	d:\ is a logical partition
01:15:39	LinusN	freshmaker: hmmm
01:15:41	devZer0	ok - so put it to d:\rockdevel
01:15:44	devZer0	or whatelse
01:15:58	[IDC]Dragon	Linus, how is that: For coldstart, I repeat the first 3 steps of ata::init() for 10 seconds, until they go through, with sleeps inbetween.
01:16:01	Bio_Hazard	moving...
01:16:18	Bio_Hazard	done
01:16:21	LinusN	freshmaker: have you played a file with your new build?
01:16:56	LinusN	[IDC]Dragon: sounds like a cludge
01:16:58	freshmaker	LinusN: Yes, of course. That's how i tested the resume.
01:17:11	LinusN	freshmaker: can you repeat it?
01:17:53	LinusN	try to delete the playlist file and try again
01:18:19	freshmaker	LinusN: Yes. Delete /.rockbox/.playlist_control, reboot, play a file, reboot and try to resume.
01:18:42	[IDC]Dragon	Linus: yes, it is a kludge. Unless somebody tells me how to do it correct...
01:18:52	freshmaker	the file is always empty
01:19:10	LinusN	[IDC]Dragon: i guess that "somebody" is you
01:19:29	[IDC]Dragon	;-)
01:20:22	Stevie-O	what's the kludge
01:20:26	Stevie-O	?
01:20:38	LinusN	[IDC]Dragon: Stevie-O is your man
01:20:44	Stevie-O	lol
01:21:15	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:21:15	*	Stevie-O marks that on his calendar
01:21:21	Stevie-O	'<LinusN> [IDC]Dragon: Stevie-O is your man'
01:21:31	[IDC]Dragon	OK stevie, tell me how to correctly wait for the HD to be ready?
01:21:36	Stevie-O	well lets see
01:21:55	freshmaker	LinusN: oh, this is different: tried to create a dynamic playlist (insert), reboot and resume -> "invalid playlist control file"
01:22:13	OMFG100038DKDDkd	LinusN, devZer0: My mp3 player is pretty much inaccessible
01:22:15	Stevie-O	the koffcrapkoff (still got that cold it seems) archos fw does some weird stuff
01:24:00	*	Stevie-O finds ata.c's init
01:24:14	Stevie-O	someone care to share the src? as i have little to no luck with cvs
01:24:38	OMFG100038DKDDkd	My computer will not recognize it through USB and I can't boot it, is it completely hosed?
01:25:00	Stevie-O	OMFG100038DKDDkd: what model?
01:25:08	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Jukebox 6000
01:25:08	devZer0	OMFG: mhhh - if you start harddisk format utility - does it see a partition?
01:25:10	LinusN	OMFG100038DKDDkd: does the drive spin up? do you have the charger attached?
01:25:16	[IDC]Dragon	I've messed with ata.c already, but can send it.
01:25:35	Stevie-O	ok
01:25:38	OMFG100038DKDDkd	The drive does spin up
01:25:50	OMFG100038DKDDkd	and I have had the charger plugged in
01:25:54	OMFG100038DKDDkd	but it makes no change
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01:26:25	OMFG100038DKDDkd	About the partition, what harddisk format utility should I use?
01:26:34	LinusN	fdisk?
01:26:55	devZer0	if you use win2k/Xp go to the control panel
01:26:56	Stevie-O	no way
01:27:30	devZer0	its somewhere in the computer management console
01:27:40	OMFG100038DKDDkd	ah
01:27:43	devZer0	don`t know the english word since i use german XP
01:27:56	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Oh no I know what you are getting at
01:28:05	LinusN	and i rarely use windows :-)
01:28:11	Stevie-O	logical disk manager
01:28:22	devZer0	yes - thats it :)
01:28:37	Stevie-O	but I recommend
01:29:00	Stevie-O	echo -pn "\xYY" \| dd if=- of=dev/sda skip=offset count=1
01:29:03	Stevie-O	for each byte in the partition table
01:29:53	Stevie-O	oh wait
01:29:55	Stevie-O	i forgot bs=1
01:30:05	OMFG100038DKDDkd	how would I impliment that?
01:30:11	Stevie-O	you wouldn't
01:30:19	OMFG100038DKDDkd	oh ok
01:30:22	Stevie-O	not even I would, not yet anyway
01:31:04	[IDC]Dragon	stevie: email with ata.c versions is out.
01:31:07	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Well, I'm going to try and see if I can get to it through the magangement console
01:31:15	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Thanks for your help
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01:34:07	freshmaker	LinusN: Ok, just checked the contents of the "invalid playlist file": It contains a single line "A:0:0:/Angelo_Branduardi/Best_Of/03__La_serie_dei_numeri.mp3\n"
01:34:20	Stevie-O	[idc]
01:34:48	Stevie-O	the master_slave_detect, the io_address_detect, and the check_registers() ?
01:36:20	[IDC]Dragon	yes?
01:36:48	Stevie-O	okay
01:36:51	Stevie-O	i have a suggestion
01:36:55	Stevie-O	Linus, you listening?
01:37:37	LinusN	yup
01:38:01	Stevie-O	this control register
01:38:10	Stevie-O	is at 0x200 or 0x300, right?
01:38:36	Stevie-O	wait
01:38:45	*	Stevie-O ponders
01:38:50	Stevie-O	this doesn't make any sense
01:39:41	*	Stevie-O opens his emulator
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01:41:21	Neo	hows rombox comming guys
01:42:12	[IDC]Dragon	Patience, I try to shake of the last bits.
01:43:05	[IDC]Dragon	Original plan was to release it today, but the bleeding edge misbehaves and the wait for HD spinup needs clarification.
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01:47:34	LinusN	freshmaker: damn, it works for me
01:47:56	Neo	would u like me to try it
01:48:20	Neo	try it out
01:48:32	freshmaker	LinusN: how is it suppose to work? The last line ine the control file is the 'R' command?
01:48:50	Neo	how does it look
01:50:31	[IDC]Dragon	Neo: you can read the FAQ/Manual already: http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/readme.txt
01:52:39	LinusN	freshmaker: are you rwally running the latest cvs code? which version is your playlist.c?
01:53:46	freshmaker	LinusN: 1.79
01:53:56	LinusN	damn sourceforge
01:54:07	LinusN	your playlist.c is older than mine
01:54:29	LinusN	the anon cvs isn't up-tp-date
01:54:46	LinusN	d/l the latest bleeding edge and try again
01:55:29	[IDC]Dragon	hardeep, do you read?
01:56:03	MT	heres the funny thing :/
01:56:05	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:56:15	MT	i spent most of yesterday trying to work around something
01:56:21	Neo	anyone want me to try anything out?
01:56:31	MT	it was only when i typed out my workaround that i realised settings.c had a function to do it all for me :/
01:56:48	LinusN	MT: :-)
01:57:00	Stevie-O	hmmm
01:57:05	Stevie-O	it must be the fm
01:57:14	*	Stevie-O digs up the recorder stuff
01:57:29	Stevie-O	hey, can someone quick give me runtime (not plugged into anything) adc values for the recorder?
01:57:56	[IDC]Dragon	Stevie: yes.
01:58:03	freshmaker	LinusN: playlist.c from the latest source tarball is also 1.79
01:58:09	[IDC]Dragon	which one do you like?
01:58:12	Stevie-O	all 8
01:58:27	freshmaker	http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/rockbox-daily-20030708.tar.gz
01:58:31	Stevie-O	it's looking to me like the 'old recorder' thing really only applies to recorders
01:58:55	Stevie-O	I put the CS1 address at 0x300 (instead of 0x200) and all I get is an HD error
01:58:57	LinusN	3ff,1c0, 030, 060, 1c0, 0, 0, 300, 0
01:59:03	Stevie-O	ty
01:59:13	[IDC]Dragon	3ff, 3ff, 002, 168, 001, 001, 33b, 003
01:59:37	Stevie-O	wait
01:59:56	Stevie-O	that 2nd one looks plugged in?
02:00
02:00:11	Stevie-O	3ff,1c0, 030, 060, 1c0, 0, 0, 300, 0 <- that has 9 values, theres only 8 pins
02:00:11	LinusN	3ff,3ff, 030, 060, 1c0, 0, 0, 300, 0
02:00:28	LinusN	3ff,3ff, 060, 1c0, 0, 0, 300, 0
02:00:33	Stevie-O	err
02:00:34	Stevie-O	ok
02:00:35	LinusN	sorry, i'm tired
02:00:41	Stevie-O	lol, s'ok
02:01:11	MT	funky
02:01:11	*	Stevie-O wonders if this boots
02:01:16	LinusN	(the retro-recording stuff really gives me a headache)
02:01:17	Stevie-O	i don't emulate the recorder's charge chip
02:01:23	Stevie-O	since I don't know anything about it
02:01:29	Neo	looks good guys
02:01:30	MT	i can use set_bool_options for my last remaining GRR code
02:01:33	Neo	read the txt
02:02:01	LinusN	grr?
02:02:17	[IDC]Dragon	stevie, these values are shiftes by 6 bit already. 3ff is the max, you'll have guessed.
02:02:18	MT	code that doesnt do what you want :)
02:02:40	MT	you know the stuff, you sit there thinking "GRR, how can i do this nicely"
02:02:46	Stevie-O	[IDC]Dragon: yeah, I know
02:03:00	Stevie-O	the emulator takes those values the very way you gave them
02:03:07	Stevie-O	the adc emulation then shifts left 6 bits :D
02:04:44	freshmaker	LinusN: rockbox20030708.ajz has the same problems for me
02:05:00	[IDC]Dragon	My HD wait kludge is a failure.
02:05:19	LinusN	freshmaker: even if you delete the playlist file?
02:05:48	Stevie-O	16.09MB
02:05:50	Stevie-O	geez
02:05:55	LinusN	freshmaker: hey, that's the daily build, not the bleeding edge
02:05:56	Stevie-O	all that for one lil ata startup
02:06:16	freshmaker	where's the bleeding edge, then?
02:06:29	LinusN	look at the bottom of the page
02:06:30	MT	bottom of that page
02:07:30	freshmaker	ha, never scrolled down that far :-)
02:08:25	*	Stevie-O traces 0x09018B08
02:08:28	OMFG100038DKDDkd	LinusN: I think I narrowed down my problem to the hardware
02:08:49	Neo	i gtg
02:08:50	Neo	good luck
02:08:53	[IDC]Dragon	Stevie what did you trace?
02:08:55	OMFG100038DKDDkd	If I push down on the blue rubber corners it will boot up
02:09:01	LinusN	OMFG100038DKDDkd: ouch
02:09:10	OMFG100038DKDDkd	but no dice on getting the usb to work
02:09:10	LinusN	pretty common problem
02:09:12	Neo	if u need any help email AT rubberdukkie52 At aol dot com
02:09:14	Neo	bye
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02:09:17	devZer0	always the same
02:09:23	devZer0	:D
02:10:15	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I've tried deleting the mod file and hoping the rom will take over but it fails to delete it
02:10:33	LinusN	fails?
02:10:41	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I doesn't do it
02:10:52	LinusN	but do you safely remove the jukebox?
02:11:00	OMFG100038DKDDkd	at one point it said Loading rolo
02:11:16	LinusN	aha, you try to delete it with rockbox?
02:11:29	OMFG100038DKDDkd	Yes
02:12:12	LinusN	and when you insert the usb cable when rockbox is running, what happens?
02:12:22	freshmaker	Now that's the culprit: the pserver protocol still connects the the sf.net backup server (that's 24h behind).
02:12:44	LinusN	freshmaker: yup
02:12:53	OMFG100038DKDDkd	The Jukebox confirms the hook up by saying [USB MODE]
02:12:58	OMFG100038DKDDkd	but the computer still hangs
02:13:09	LinusN	wow
02:13:27	LinusN	maybe the FAT is corrupt, so w2k is confused
02:13:54	OMFG100038DKDDkd	if it were corrupt would it still be able to run on the jukebox
02:14:43	LinusN	sure
02:14:56	OMFG100038DKDDkd	This is so frustrating
02:14:58	LinusN	it all depends on what windows does
02:15:15	Stevie-O	does anyone have one of these supposed 'old recorders'
02:15:31	Stevie-O	that has a different ata address?
02:16:16	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I'm not sure
02:16:36	LinusN	quelsaruk has one
02:17:39	LinusN	totmacher and elinenbe too
02:17:53	LinusN	langhaarrocker
02:18:05	LinusN	gissehel
02:18:14	LinusN	alkorr
02:18:44	LinusN	and a bunch of others that i don't know
02:19:37	LinusN	OMFG100038DKDDkd: what happens if you boot the pc with the usb attached?
02:20:00	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I haven't tried that
02:20:09	OMFG100038DKDDkd	But I have a feeling 2k will scan it
02:20:32	OMFG100038DKDDkd	and maybe fix some errors hopefully
02:20:51	OMFG100038DKDDkd	ok I'll be back after I boot
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02:23:01	Nixed	hello. Quick question... Is there a key command that allows rockbox to reboot into the Archos Os?
02:23:14	LinusN	yes and no
02:23:23	Stevie-O	the archos fw doesn't seem to probe
02:23:38	LinusN	download the archos firmware from www.archos.com and put it on the jukebox
02:23:45	LinusN	under a different name
02:24:06	LinusN	archos.mod -> archos-orig.mod
02:24:15	LinusN	or ajbrec.ajz -> ajbrec-orig.ajz
02:24:20	Nixed	I remember with one daily build version of rockbox, If I pushed down the on button, it rebooted into Archos OS. It doesn't work with the latest versions.
02:24:31	LinusN	then you can select the firmware file and Play it in rockbox
02:24:34	Stevie-O	do we have any idea about the first OS version for the 'new' recorders?
02:25:00	Nixed	Linus - I think I'll do it your way. It's easy enough.
02:25:06	LinusN	Stevie-O: what are you trying to achieve?
02:25:11	Stevie-O	well
02:25:29	Stevie-O	the archos fw (as far as i can tell) isn't probing the ata io address
02:25:48	Stevie-O	which I find intriguing
02:25:49	LinusN	Stevie-O: the hw mask tells you
02:26:07	Stevie-O	if that were the case, why doesn't RB use the hw mask?
02:26:17	Stevie-O	rb probes the ata address
02:26:22	LinusN	because that code was written before the hw mask was doscovered
02:26:44	Stevie-O	...
02:26:52	Stevie-O	and nobody bothered to change it?
02:27:00	LinusN	why change code that works?
02:27:12	Nixed	If it isn't borken...
02:27:13	Stevie-O	cuz [idc] is trying to boot from code that probes the ata address
02:27:24	Stevie-O	and it doesn't seem to be working all that great on his end ;)
02:27:37	LinusN	i doubt that the probing is the problem in his case
02:27:42	Stevie-O	I doubt it helps
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02:28:04	LinusN	but yes, we can remove the probing
02:28:04	Stevie-O	<LinusN> why change code that works? <- ain't that the reason why the archos fw sucks? ;)
02:28:19	BoD[]	hello !!
02:28:23	LinusN	Stevie-O: no, the archos fw doesn't work :-)
02:28:31	Stevie-O	LinusN: well yeah
02:28:40	Stevie-O	but i didnt' have any other good examples
02:28:47	Stevie-O	-other
02:28:48	LinusN	BoD[]: you are julien, right?
02:28:49	[IDC]Dragon	master_slave_detect() or check_registers() did fail on cold start, 'cuz the HD is not ready yet.
02:29:08	BoD[]	what no I'm not :)
02:29:10	BoD[]	wh
02:29:11	BoD[]	y
02:29:13	Stevie-O	hm
02:29:56	Nixed	Ok, off topic, but what's a good program for downsampling Mp3 files? I want to chat bit rates down to 128.
02:30:05	Nixed	chat=change
02:30:21	BoD[]	nixed : whith cdex you've got a converter utility
02:30:25	LinusN	BoD[]: looking for julien labruyere but i forgot his irc handle
02:30:34	BoD[]	linus : sorry that's not me
02:30:40	[IDC]Dragon	stevie: I tried polling for it to be ready, works for my drive, but somedody else had problems with it.
02:30:42	Nixed	cdex... thanks. I'll check it out.
02:30:51	MT	27 retries to get a cvs diff :/
02:32:53	Stevie-O	[IDC]Dragon: what drive do you have?
02:33:34	[IDC]Dragon	Fujitsu 60GB
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02:35:47	Stevie-O	hey Linus
02:36:01	Stevie-O	we can assert (or deassert, or whatever) the ata -RESET pin, right?
02:36:09	LinusN	yes
02:36:18	OMFG100038DKDDkd	My computer will not finish boot up with the usb active on the mp3 player
02:36:24	LinusN	i think so
02:36:27	OMFG100038DKDDkd	I have to unplug it before it will continue
02:36:33	LinusN	OMFG100038DKDDkd: bummer
02:36:38	Stevie-O	can that be verified at all?
02:36:59	BoD[]	what a strange nickname:)
02:38:27	Stevie-O	PA9?
02:38:30	[IDC]Dragon	Stevie: PA9 should be the reset.
02:39:12	Stevie-O	that's according to the source
02:39:16	Stevie-O	the schematics are of no help
02:39:25	devZer0	phew
02:39:29	devZer0	had work :)
02:39:34	[IDC]Dragon	I found it from the schematics.
02:39:35	devZer0	hard work
02:39:37	Stevie-O	where?
02:40:07	[IDC]Dragon	coming out of that 245 right of the CPU
02:41:20	Stevie-O	what U# is it?
02:41:25	Stevie-O	oh I see
02:41:28	[IDC]Dragon	U10
02:41:32	Stevie-O	geez these schematics run all over
02:41:54	Stevie-O	we need a sort of hyperlinked schematic
02:41:57	Stevie-O	ok
02:42:07	Stevie-O	sleep(1); /* > 25us */
02:42:18	devZer0	Bio_Hazard has a working win32sdk now. will gonna sleep now :) have fun! bye
02:42:21	Stevie-O	oh fsck
02:42:30	Stevie-O	that's even worse than ata_reset
02:42:33	[IDC]Dragon	bye!
02:42:47	[IDC]Dragon	Its's all reset, right?
02:43:10	Stevie-O	[IDC]Dragon: theres a problem with ata_{soft\|hard}_reset
02:43:20	Stevie-O	it's even worse with hard_reset
02:43:53	Stevie-O	actually
02:43:54	Stevie-O	hah
02:43:58	Stevie-O	hard_reset won't have that problem
02:44:02	Stevie-O	although it's kinda pathetic
02:44:08	Stevie-O	[IDC]Dragon: you need to call ata_hard_reset on powerup
02:44:30	[IDC]Dragon	aha?
02:44:44	Stevie-O	not quite
02:44:47	Stevie-O	but almost aha
02:44:58	Stevie-O	the ata specs say that on powerup you need to issue a hard reset
02:45:31	LinusN	i have to go to sleep
02:45:38	Stevie-O	ok, nite linus
02:45:38	LinusN	nite all
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02:46:00	[IDC]Dragon	So do, I but it's interesting right now...
02:46:13	Stevie-O	err
02:46:14	Stevie-O	what?
02:46:22	[IDC]Dragon	So do I, ...
02:46:26	Stevie-O	ah
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02:46:55	Stevie-O	no you don't
02:47:01	Stevie-O	not in the ata.c you gave me
02:47:16	Stevie-O	the only thing that calls ata_hard_reset is ata_power_on
02:49:04	[IDC]Dragon	maybe I should call that from init?
02:49:20	Stevie-O	if it's a power-on
02:49:20	Stevie-O	yes
02:49:29	[IDC]Dragon	It is.
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02:49:51	Stevie-O	what i mean is
02:49:56	Stevie-O	if (coldstart)
02:49:57	Stevie-O	;)
02:50:10	[IDC]Dragon	Do you see any code that waits for spinup? Rockbox has such situations.
02:50:32	Stevie-O	where would I be looking?
02:51:02	Stevie-O	I figure that sector reads/writes would block until the drive spun up
02:51:46	Bio_Hazard	be back... (reboot)
02:51:50	[IDC]Dragon	But on init there seems to be other, impationt code.
02:51:58	[IDC]Dragon	impatient
02:53:15	Stevie-O	to what are you referring?
02:53:31	MT	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=768153&group_id=44306&atid=439120
02:53:36	MT	my first patch ;)
02:54:00	[IDC]Dragon	We may have an hen and egg problem here.
02:54:34	Nixed	goodnight
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02:54:43	[IDC]Dragon	ata_power_on() needs the info wether we're master or slave
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02:56:35	Stevie-O	where is ata_power_on called?
02:56:48	Stevie-O	(1) from ata_read_sectors
02:56:54	Stevie-O	(2) from ata_write_sectors
02:57:20	Stevie-O	(3) from ata_thread [when we enter usb mode]
02:57:24	Stevie-O	thats it
02:57:35	Stevie-O	do we call any of those from init?
02:57:40	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: did you have a question for me? just saw message
02:57:56	[IDC]Dragon	hardeep: yes.
02:58:18	[IDC]Dragon	"Error accessing playlist control file", how is that doing?
02:58:55	[IDC]Dragon	It's a splash I get on startup.
02:59:06	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: Do you have resume enabled?
02:59:24	[IDC]Dragon	I think so, yes.
02:59:39	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: also, please make sure your using latest CVS (not anonymous but ssh developer cvs)
02:59:49	[IDC]Dragon	I do.
02:59:56	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: what version of playlist.c are you using?
03:00
03:00:17	[IDC]Dragon	1.80
03:00:44	hardeep	okay, and the error is "unable to access", not "invalid playlist control file" ?
03:01:11	[IDC]Dragon	I literally typed it in, yes-
03:01:38	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: okay, what happens when you start play on a new track, and then try to resume?
03:02:14	[IDC]Dragon	hang on...
03:02:47	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: it sounds a lot like the bug that Linus fixed, have you updated the version on the jukebox?
03:03:25	[IDC]Dragon	Yes, multiple trimes since I coudn't belive it, made a clean build, etc.
03:04:29	[IDC]Dragon	Aftet the different track, it's gone.
03:04:34	[IDC]Dragon	After
03:04:47	[IDC]Dragon	(IRC typo king today)
03:04:58	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: okay, good. What probably happened is you had started a track with the old firmware and then never played something new after you updated.
03:05:17	hardeep	so it was still the corrupt control file
03:05:35	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: i'd say the latest cvs is in good shape for your flash stuff
03:05:51	[IDC]Dragon	Ahh, good. So the bleeding edge isn't broken.
03:06:15	[IDC]Dragon	I considered that a "showstopper" for my flash release.
03:06:44	Stevie-O	[IDC]Dragon: did you see my question?
03:06:54	[IDC]Dragon	Now we're working on ATA instead...
03:07:04	[IDC]Dragon	Stevie: no.
03:07:07	Stevie-O	where is ata_power_on called?
03:07:08	Stevie-O	(1) from ata_read_sectors
03:07:08	Stevie-O	(2) from ata_write_sectors
03:07:08	Stevie-O	(3) from ata_thread [when we enter usb mode]
03:07:08	Stevie-O	thats it
03:07:08	***	Alert Mode level 1
03:07:08	Stevie-O	do we call any of those from init?
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03:07:29	Bio_Hazard	k im back
03:07:37	[IDC]Dragon	I guess not...
03:08:10	Stevie-O	try an
03:08:14	Stevie-O	if (coldstart) ata_hard_reset();
03:08:36	[IDC]Dragon	There comes the hen and the egg.
03:08:59	[IDC]Dragon	Or chicken and egg, how do you say?
03:09:18	Stevie-O	the chicken and the egg?
03:09:27	Stevie-O	i fail to see how this is a chicken-and-egg problem
03:09:51	Bio_Hazard	so, when i need to look at the original source .c files for rockbox, how do i get rid of the boxes in the files? (i assume that me using Win98SE has something to do with it)
03:10:25	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: you need to use something other than notepad to develop
03:10:34	Bio_Hazard	like what?
03:10:36	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: download metapad, it's free
03:10:37	[IDC]Dragon	ata_hard_reset() needs ata_device, which is later discovered by master_slave_detect()
03:10:44	Stevie-O	oh
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03:10:55	Stevie-O	well
03:11:01	[IDC]Dragon	Maybe whe can reset both
03:11:04	Stevie-O	that should really be an easy one
03:11:06	Stevie-O	yeah
03:11:08	Stevie-O	reset both
03:11:24	Stevie-O	a non-present device will be read as 'not busy' at any given time
03:11:44	Stevie-O	the ata spec requires it, so nonexistent devices don't lock up simple wait loops
03:12:12	[IDC]Dragon	Oh, that's good, I was just worrying.
03:12:30	Stevie-O	yeah, I was worried about that too
03:12:32	Stevie-O	in fact
03:12:34	Stevie-O	I had it wrong
03:12:55	Stevie-O	and I was locking up early on because i had the non-present slave device return always busy
03:13:31	Stevie-O	(in my emulator)
03:13:39	[IDC]Dragon	shure.
03:14:36	[IDC]Dragon	OK, I can reset both. How do I then wait for spinup? Or don't I need to?
03:14:56	Stevie-O	I don't see why you'd need to
03:15:09	Stevie-O	that won't be necessary until we have to read from the drive
03:15:34	Stevie-O	you can still run from your uart loader, right?
03:16:01	[IDC]Dragon	Yes, that's no issue.
03:16:06	Stevie-O	right
03:16:16	Stevie-O	so it should be easy to test it initially on yours
03:16:36	[IDC]Dragon	About the init sequence:
03:16:55	[IDC]Dragon	mine failed on check_registers(),
03:17:09	***	Alert Mode OFF
03:17:11	Stevie-O	i bet i know why
03:17:16	Stevie-O	the drive was probably still busy
03:17:20	[IDC]Dragon	if ( ATA_STATUS & STATUS_BSY ) return -1;
03:17:32	Stevie-O	in 'busy' state, all those registers will actually read from the alt. status register
03:17:40	[IDC]Dragon	Busy from what?
03:17:50	Stevie-O	power-on reset
03:18:01	[IDC]Dragon	Not being hard-resetted?
03:18:08	Stevie-O	the thing just turned on
03:18:15	Stevie-O	it's probably doing some internal initialization
03:18:20	Stevie-O	running rom checksums and all
03:19:06	[IDC]Dragon	And the hard reset brings it to listen, or do I have to poll for not busy?
03:19:28	Stevie-O	ata_hard_reset() calls wait_for_bsy()
03:19:35	Stevie-O	which waits until the BUSY bit is 0
03:19:49	[IDC]Dragon	irritating function name...
03:19:55	Stevie-O	yes
03:20:05	Stevie-O	should be 'wait_while_bsy'
03:20:21	Stevie-O	or something :P
03:20:48	Stevie-O	wait_for_bsy will return more or less immediately when the ata_device being reset isn't present
03:21:19	[IDC]Dragon	OK, I think we got that.
03:21:57	[IDC]Dragon	Jose's box was failing earlier, in master_slave_detect()
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03:22:41	[IDC]Dragon	That checks for STATUS_RDY.
03:22:51	Stevie-O	that's different
03:23:12	Stevie-O	STATUS_BSY and STATUS_RDY are actually not opposites
03:23:13	Stevie-O	in fact, they're not even mutually exclusive
03:23:37	[IDC]Dragon	if they would, one would be redundant ;-)
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03:23:50	Stevie-O	yeah, but ATA was designed by a committee
03:24:04	Stevie-O	if I recall correctly, STATUS_RDY means that the device is waiting to send or receive data
03:24:53	[IDC]Dragon	Is that master_slave_detect() code correct then?
03:25:06	Stevie-O	okay
03:25:16	Stevie-O	once having completed the power-on reset
03:25:39	Stevie-O	the device shall set DRDY to 1 within 30s
03:25:54	Stevie-O	so this is looking more and more like you need to call ata_hard_reset at the start
03:26:02	[IDC]Dragon	30 s!!! Not ns?
03:26:07	Stevie-O	30s
03:26:14	Stevie-O	i think that was designed for cdrom drives
03:26:23	Stevie-O	the same thing happens in wait_for_bsy
03:26:25	Stevie-O	if you look
03:27:03	Stevie-O	oh wait!
03:27:08	Stevie-O	nm
03:27:11	Stevie-O	it's not for cdrom drives
03:27:17	Stevie-O	weird
03:28:08	Stevie-O	well, i think its obvious that nobody has a drive that takes 30s to boot
03:34:28	[IDC]Dragon	I just tested the dual reset.
03:34:59	[IDC]Dragon	Now I get the error -3 again,
03:35:30	[IDC]Dragon	meaning check_registers() failed.
03:36:12	Stevie-O	do you know what part of check_registers failed?
03:36:14	[IDC]Dragon	if ( ATA_STATUS & STATUS_BSY ) return -1;
03:36:31	Stevie-O	interesting
03:36:34	[IDC]Dragon	Oh, no, I don't know.
03:36:39	Stevie-O	oh
03:36:50	[IDC]Dragon	It may as well be the other one.
03:36:51	Stevie-O	is the lcd initialized already?
03:37:10	Stevie-O	methinks a decent sprintf + lcd_puts is in order
03:37:24	[IDC]Dragon	Yes, I can do that.
03:37:50	[IDC]Dragon	The turnaround times with flashing are no good.
03:38:13	[IDC]Dragon	I should use UART again, or gdb.
03:38:30	[IDC]Dragon	But I'm getting too tired.
03:38:40	[IDC]Dragon	its 03:40 here.
03:39:25	Stevie-O	okay
03:39:29	Stevie-O	i'll cya tomorrow?
03:39:58	[IDC]Dragon	Guess so, I enjoyed "working" with you.
03:40:08	[IDC]Dragon	What's your time?
03:41:10	Stevie-O	9:37pm
03:41:32	Stevie-O	only 6 hours out of sync
03:41:37	[IDC]Dragon	sound like US east cost.
03:41:44	Stevie-O	then it sounds right
03:41:45	Stevie-O	;)
03:42:04	[IDC]Dragon	latitude?
03:42:08	Stevie-O	i want to be able to emulate your uart boot monitor thing
03:42:17	Stevie-O	I haven't the foggiest
03:42:19	[IDC]Dragon	Why?
03:42:58	Stevie-O	because I know what state I live in, not the latitude
03:44:16	[IDC]Dragon	Thats sortof what I meant.
03:44:20	Stevie-O	Mailing
03:44:21	Stevie-O	Name
03:44:21	Stevie-O	State
03:44:21	Stevie-O	Code
03:44:21	Stevie-O	ZIP
03:44:21	***	Alert Mode level 1
03:44:21	Stevie-O	Code
03:44:23	Stevie-O	Latitude
03:44:25	Stevie-O	(North)
03:44:27	Stevie-O	Longitude
03:44:29	Stevie-O	(West)
03:44:31	Stevie-O	Newtown Square
03:44:33	Stevie-O	PA
03:44:35	Stevie-O	19073
03:44:37	Stevie-O	39.9794
03:44:39	Stevie-O	75.4369
03:44:41	Stevie-O	err
03:44:46	Stevie-O	that came out lousy
03:45:03	Stevie-O	39.9794'N 75.4369'W
03:45:05	[IDC]Dragon	what's PA?
03:45:09	Stevie-O	pennsylvania
03:45:25	[IDC]Dragon	aha.
03:45:56	Stevie-O	check this out
03:46:03	Stevie-O	http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbrser/jbrserss.jpg
03:47:15	[IDC]Dragon	screendump as jpg, brr.
03:47:34	[IDC]Dragon	well, it doesn't really tell me something.
03:48:17	[IDC]Dragon	Odd baudrate.
03:48:26	Stevie-O	doesn't the number look familiar?
03:48:42	Stevie-O	ok, pick a number
03:49:40	[IDC]Dragon	0xA2
03:49:51	Stevie-O	i'll have to stick with decimal
03:49:56	Stevie-O	so 162?
03:50:05	[IDC]Dragon	yes.
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03:51:44	Bio_Hazard	i cant get the win32 sim to open a ROCK
03:52:26	Bio_Hazard	it says "Cant open: (filename)"
03:53:02	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: how are you trying to open it?
03:53:14	Bio_Hazard	thru the browser
03:53:39	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: so you're PLAYing a .rock file ?
03:53:45	Bio_Hazard	yea
03:53:56	Bio_Hazard	it dosent work in the win32 sim
03:53:57	[IDC]Dragon	Stevie, I really need to sleep.
03:54:12	[IDC]Dragon	See you tomorrow
03:54:14	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: what's the exact error message being displayed?
03:54:22	***	Alert Mode OFF
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03:54:48	Bio_Hazard	cant open: (filename)
03:55:28	Stevie-O	damn
03:55:36	Stevie-O	damn my slow inet connection
03:55:52	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: where did you get the rock files?
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03:56:07	Bio_Hazard	the daily build yesterday
03:56:09	hardeep	Stevie-O: damned
03:56:15	Bio_Hazard	they work on the archos
03:56:21	Bio_Hazard	just not on the sim
03:56:31	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: yes, but where did you get them? were they built with the simulator?
03:56:38	Bio_Hazard	no
03:56:58	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: that's the problem, the rock files for the jukebox cannot be used on the sim
03:57:23	Bio_Hazard	well, how are you supposed to make them?
03:57:33	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: they should be built by the simulator
03:57:51	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: however, i know that the win32 sdk didn't have all the required tools
03:58:53	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: download hardeeps.freeshell.org/dllwrap.exe and copy it to /usr/bin wherever cygwin is installed
03:59:11	Bio_Hazard	i need .C -> SIM and .C -> JBR
03:59:17	Bio_Hazard	or an equivilent
03:59:28	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: yes, it's automatically handled when you build
03:59:45	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: if you look at the build log, you'll see that the rock files are failing
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04:00:07	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: you can also download win32 simulator rock files from hardeeps.freeshell.org/rocks
04:00:40	Bio_Hazard	i would like to make my own, but i cant figure out the compiler
04:00:58	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: then download dllwrap.exe
04:01:11	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: or, if you prefer, install the binutils for cygwin
04:02:06	Bio_Hazard	i have dllwrap, now what
04:02:28	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: make sure it's copied to /usr/bin, then rebuild
04:06:09	Bio_Hazard	i get a bunch of errors upon building helloworld
04:06:23	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: what are the errors?
04:07:11	Bio_Hazard	too many to list
04:07:20	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: list a few
04:07:32	hardeep	Bio_Hazard: starting from the top
04:08:03	Bio_Hazard	wait...
04:13:21	Bio_Hazard	man! im thinking too hard...
04:16:30	Bio_Hazard	isint there a way to build stuff in windows... not needing a linux EMU?
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04:22:21	Stevie-O	sure, there's plenty of ways to build stuff in native windows
04:22:24	Stevie-O	just not rockbox :P
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04:26:21	Bio_Hazard	man... now i have to learn C AND linux
04:26:23	Bio_Hazard	oh well
04:26:28	Bio_Hazard	better get started
04:26:45	Bio_Hazard	i need a compiling tutorial
04:27:09	Stevie-O	why?
04:27:17	Bio_Hazard	cause i dont know how
04:27:55	Stevie-O	'make' usually works
04:28:13	Bio_Hazard	it needs files
04:28:45	Bio_Hazard	if i "make" where my .c files are, it tells me to "make" somewhere else
04:28:58	Stevie-O	did you rtfm?
04:29:10	Bio_Hazard	WITFM?
04:29:11	Stevie-O	the directions were fairly explicit
04:30:36	*	Stevie-O ftfm
04:31:01	Stevie-O	http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html
04:31:02	Stevie-O	ok
04:31:04	MT	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/how_to_compile.html
04:31:10	Stevie-O	note #4
04:34:30	Bio_Hazard	i type tools/configure nothing happens it just says No such file or dir
04:40:31	Stevie-O	did you download the tools?
04:40:47	Stevie-O	you have to download those separately from the source and the sdk
04:41:01	Stevie-O	(for reasons which are beyond my comprehension)
04:41:40	MT	if you are in your build directory
04:41:43	MT	you type
04:41:46	MT	../tools/configure
04:41:49	Bio_Hazard	yea
04:41:55	Bio_Hazard	i got past that
04:42:30	Bio_Hazard	6. Make sure you have sh-elf-gcc and siblings in the PATH. Make sure that you
04:42:30	Bio_Hazard	have 'perl' in your PATH too.
04:42:32	Bio_Hazard	?
04:42:40	Bio_Hazard	what does that mean?
04:43:06	Stevie-O	well
04:43:16	Stevie-O	<Bio_Hazard> i got past that
04:43:21	Stevie-O	then whats the problem you have now?
04:43:39	Bio_Hazard	<Bio_Hazard> 6. Make sure you have sh-elf-gcc and siblings in the PATH. Make sure that you
04:43:39	Bio_Hazard	<Bio_Hazard> have 'perl' in your PATH too.
04:43:39	Bio_Hazard	<Bio_Hazard> ?
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04:43:39	Bio_Hazard	<Bio_Hazard> what does that mean?
04:44:00	Stevie-O	type perl
04:44:23	Bio_Hazard	k
04:44:46	Stevie-O	do you get an error?
04:44:50	Bio_Hazard	no
04:45:05	Stevie-O	then perl is in your path
04:45:14	Stevie-O	hit ctrl-c to exit it
04:45:43	Bio_Hazard	k
04:45:49	Bio_Hazard	"MAKE" now?
04:46:39	Stevie-O	no
04:46:40	Stevie-O	"make"
04:47:45	MT	good god sourceforge is irritating
04:48:25	Bio_Hazard	so now how do i compile a plugin for the sim?
04:48:55	Stevie-O	now you're getting beyond me
04:49:00	Stevie-O	send an email to the list
04:49:11	Bio_Hazard	what about for the JB
04:49:13	MT	run make
04:49:17	MT	what does it say
04:49:54	Bio_Hazard	i need to make a .ROCK not the .AJB
04:50:07	MT	it makes the rocks after its made the ajb
04:50:17	MT	what hte hell is an ajb
04:50:29	Bio_Hazard	what if i JUST want the ROCKS
04:50:39	Bio_Hazard	can i do that?
04:50:46	MT	then you compile the firmware and ignore that fact
04:50:58	Bio_Hazard	?
04:51:13	MT	compile the firmware
04:51:16	MT	and the rocks come too
04:51:17	Bio_Hazard	i did
04:51:26	MT	then you have rocks
04:51:39	MT	if you dont, whats the error message
04:51:48	Bio_Hazard	i want to do 1 rock without all the firmware
04:52:03	MT	why does it matter?
04:52:07	MT	really
04:52:11	MT	i dont udnerstand
04:52:17	MT	compile the firmware AND the rocks
04:52:30	MT	you need a compiled firmware to compile the rocks
04:52:49	Bio_Hazard	i have a .AJB already
04:52:57	MT	good god man!
04:53:07	MT	are you being deliberately obtuse?
04:53:21	Bio_Hazard	wait...
04:53:30	MT	you need to compile the firmware to compile the rocks
04:53:33	Bio_Hazard	are all the ".o" files the compiled FW?
04:53:43	MT	yes
04:53:45	MT	well
04:53:51	MT	yes, before it is linked together
04:53:59	MT	that is what you need to compile rocks
04:54:08	MT	every time you run make
04:54:13	MT	it only compiles what has changed
04:54:26	MT	you need plugin.o to compile the rocks
04:54:32	Bio_Hazard	!
04:54:34	MT	it tells the comopiler what the plugins can do
04:54:34	Bio_Hazard	i see now!
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04:55:13	*	Bio_Hazard smacks self with the rock he is iving under
04:56:26	MT	> $ diff tree.c apps/tree.c
04:56:26	MT	8c8
04:56:26	MT	< * $Id: tree.c,v 1.202 2003/07/08 09:19:12 linusnielsen Exp $
04:56:26	MT	−−-
04:56:26	MT	> * $Id: tree.c,v 1.201 2003/07/01 21:03:29 hardeeps Exp $
04:56:28	MT	hoho
04:56:29	MT	:)
04:57:09	Bio_Hazard	so i clean out the folder of the source files and then put updates into the empty folders?
04:57:27	hardeep	MT: hmmm, linus added the ON=resume patch
04:58:37	MT	(03:57) <MT> no ..
04:58:38	MT	(03:57) <MT> what are you trying to do?
04:58:42	MT	i disconnected
04:59:00	Bio_Hazard	me?
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04:59:16	MT	lol
04:59:23	MT	i just typed yes into my term :)
04:59:25	MT	yes, you
04:59:32	MT	what are you trying to accomplish
04:59:43	Bio_Hazard	im trying to write a plugin
04:59:50	Bio_Hazard	but i cant compile it
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05:00:15	MT	put your plugin soure code in apps/plugins/
05:00:28	Bio_Hazard	no new makefile?
05:00:29	MT	and it will be compiled whenever you type make in your build folder
05:00:31	MT	nope
05:00:41	Bio_Hazard	where will the output go?
05:00:56	MT	in your build folder
05:01:02	MT	assuming there are no errors
05:01:12	MT	you will end up with <srcfilename>.rock
05:01:39	Bio_Hazard	if i select sim in the configure script, will it compile for sim?
05:01:45	MT	yes
05:01:50	Bio_Hazard	ah
05:01:58	Bio_Hazard	and i select JB for JB
05:02:57	Bio_Hazard	what is a .map file?
05:03:36	MT	it tells the linker how to allocate memory in the object
05:03:39	MT	dont worry about it
05:03:45	MT	its automatically generated
05:03:50	Bio_Hazard	so i dont need to write one?
05:04:53	MT	nope
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05:22:10	Bio_Hazard	the compiler wont compile the rocks
05:23:02	MT	whats the error message
05:23:06	Bio_Hazard	'none
05:23:12	Bio_Hazard	it just wont do it
05:23:15	MT	then it did compile them
05:25:01	Bio_Hazard	i cant find ANY rock files
05:25:07	Bio_Hazard	neither can windows
05:25:29	MT	then there was an error
05:25:33	MT	whats the error message
05:35:28	Bio_Hazard	i cant find an error
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05:40:33	Bio_Hazard	it will build the rocks for JB but not for SIM
05:41:24	Bio_Hazard	but it wont compile <I>MY</I> rocks
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06:39:52	Bio_Hazard	it will build the rocks for JB but not for SIM
06:39:52	Bio_Hazard	it will build the rocks for JB but not for SIM
06:39:54	Bio_Hazard	but it wont compile <I>MY</I> rocks
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12:32:20	tracktheripper	hi
12:32:33	idefx	Hi, i've just flashed my ajbr, and, has it didn't work fine for me, i've just posted a mail on the mailing list. Any flashing expert here ??
12:40:32	tracktheripper	what JB do u have?
12:40:53	idefx	JBR20, the chips is the good one. No mod
12:41:20	tracktheripper	for rockbox to work, the filename has to be ajbrec.ajz in the root of the HD
12:41:44	tracktheripper	if the filename isn't specifically ajbrec.ajz, it won't automatically bootup when u turn ur JB on
12:41:58	idefx	rockbox work fine, but the new flash stuff, released this morning, to make rockbox boot in 3 sec.
12:42:36	idefx	doesn't work fine, i get an ATA error, which is not so bad cause i can still boot my box using the F1+on stuff.
12:43:13	tracktheripper	How do I get to this flash stuff
12:43:15	tracktheripper	its all new to me
12:43:35	idefx	http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/
12:43:48	idefx	beware of what you are doing, it seems quite dangerous..
12:43:53	tracktheripper	ok
12:44:06	idefx	and it's all new...
12:44:29	idefx	and I think I know why it doesn't work with my unit, my fs seems bad.. ;'
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15:16:34	MT	interesting bug
15:17:09	MT	with the charger plugged in, my rockbox reports the battery percentage as 0, 34, 68, 100, 0, 34 ...
15:17:39	MT	looking in Debug shows the correct %age
15:18:06	MT	just testing to see if its not just my build that does this ..
15:22:29	MT	nope, does it with current bleeding edge too
15:24:34	Stevie[FP]	yeah
15:24:45	Stevie[FP]	it's trying to draw a 'charging' image
15:25:04	MT	ah
15:25:14	*	Stevie[FP] is surprised most people don't figure that out for themselves
15:25:18	Stevie[FP]	0 = empty
15:25:22	Stevie[FP]	34 = 1/3rd
15:25:25	Stevie[FP]	68 = 2/3rds
15:25:27	Stevie[FP]	100 = all
15:25:37	MT	well
15:25:54	MT	having my numerical display switch from 100 to 0 is hardly intuitive
15:25:57	Stevie[FP]	you really shouldn't use the numeric battery meter anyway, it's painfully inaccurate
15:26:28	MT	its my option really
15:26:37	Stevie[FP]	so it is
15:26:38	MT	tbh
15:26:45	MT	if it is so bad, it shouldnt be in there
15:26:55	MT	to leave it in buggy is worse
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16:04:17	MT	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=768466&group_id=44306&atid=439120
16:04:25	MT	would be better behaviour imo
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16:28:18	Phantomdj	Hello everybody
16:28:29	hardeep	hi
16:28:46	Phantomdj	I don't find the rockbox in flash, is it normal ?
16:29:09	hardeep	Phantomdj: what do you mean you don't find it in flash?
16:29:26	Phantomdj	I don't find where to download it :D
16:29:33	Phantomdj	lol
16:30:02	hardeep	Phantomdj: oh, did you read the e-mail? you need to e-mail to get it
16:30:08	freshmaker	contact joerg via email
16:30:18	Phantomdj	hum... right
16:30:22	Phantomdj	I will do that
16:30:39	freshmaker	i did the flash just a few moments ago
16:31:02	Phantomdj	well I imagine you wouldn't send it to me
16:31:25	freshmaker	joerg want's to ... [mpm]
16:31:33	Phantomdj	lol
16:31:34	Phantomdj	okok
16:32:39	freshmaker	someone at the door...
16:33:16	Phantomdj	a serial killer ?
16:33:34	freshmaker	joerg want's to serialize the first volunteers in order to minimize the risk of errors affecting lots of people
16:35:21	freshmaker	it's all in his post to the list: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-07/0306.shtml
16:35:23	Phantomdj	its donne
16:36:21	Phantomdj	well I know I wait...
16:36:45	Phantomdj	that is already to long....
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18:15:18	paulheu	Any flashers in here..;)
18:15:57	hardeep	you don't want to see me flash
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19:18:40	[IDC]Dragon	Any ATA error -11 person here?
19:19:26	Dario	Not tried till yet.
19:21:10	[IDC]Dragon	I made an experimental symptom fix, now I need somebody with that problem.
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19:28:35	paulheu	I'm here
19:28:40	paulheu	with -1 error
19:28:44	paulheu	eh -11
19:29:44	paulheu	So what do I do..
19:30:48	[IDC]Dragon	Can you reflash the second image with:
19:30:48	[IDC]Dragon	http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/rockbox.ucl
19:30:48	[IDC]Dragon	and tell me if that's any better?
19:31:27	paulheu	sure
19:31:29	paulheu	hangon
19:31:31	[IDC]Dragon	(And a slap for premature flashing!)
19:31:46	paulheu	:^) livin on th edge
19:33:55	paulheu	Rockbox bootscreen appears, after about three seconds ATA error -3
19:34:26	[IDC]Dragon	Grr!
19:34:49	[IDC]Dragon	Your drive is not getting ready.
19:35:19	paulheu	I do have a larger HD which is a bit slower starting up..
19:35:53	[IDC]Dragon	It's not the speed, its the way of waiting for it go get ready.
19:36:06	[IDC]Dragon	This code is not safe, yet.
19:36:46	paulheu	Oh well as long as F1-ON works I am happy eperimenting..:) otherwise I guess I'll have to bring out the soldering iron..
19:37:12	[IDC]Dragon	I know, I'm very glad about F1-On.
19:37:51	[IDC]Dragon	Otherwise it would really be on the edge.
19:38:12	[IDC]Dragon	Stevie, are you there?
19:38:50	paulheu	Yeah.. well since I saw the messages about F1-ON working I decoded to dive in.. otherwise I would have definately waited, but that would make it harder for you as well..
19:39:10	paulheu	Like you did not figure we'd find the tools :^}
19:39:31	[IDC]Dragon	I didn't really try hard to hide them.
19:39:59	[IDC]Dragon	Next time they'll be personalized, pgp-ed, etc. ;-)
19:40:13	paulheu	hehehe yeah..
19:41:40	paulheu	I'll be out in about half an hour so untill then I'll peek at the creen to see if you got something.. when I'm out, I'm out..
19:42:12	[IDC]Dragon	OK, maybe I find another victim.
19:42:34	[IDC]Dragon	You don't happen to know if your HD is master or slave?
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19:44:46	paulheu	slave
19:45:09	[IDC]Dragon	How do you know that?
19:45:14	paulheu	according to the debug screen
19:45:41	[IDC]Dragon	It does say that somewhere?
19:45:45	paulheu	but AFAIK teh jumper setting is master
19:47:01	paulheu	yes, when I get the error and press ON for debug the last line says: ATA: slave 0x0
19:47:35	[IDC]Dragon	Ah, this may be wrong, the code bailed out before.
19:48:32	paulheu	OK.. I was wondering about that,, as I am pretty sure all jumper removed is 'master without slave' seting on the HD
19:49:12	paulheu	Now do I need to open the archos to check? (would be tomorrow though..)
19:49:27	[IDC]Dragon	No, don't bother.
19:49:49	paulheu	ok.. would not be a problem.. but have notime for it now..
19:49:54	[IDC]Dragon	I'll send you a master-hardcoded version.
19:50:34	[IDC]Dragon	How much time you've got left? Enough for 1 or 2 flash runs?
19:52:58	paulheu	oh.. I have time.. can always take a later bus..
19:53:20	[IDC]Dragon	No, don't let this impair you.
19:53:59	paulheu	seriously.. I have to catch the 20:45 bus.. so there's time
19:54:17	paulheu	I have say 45 minutes..
19:54:25	paulheu	ah the pressure of time..;)
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20:03:22	paulheu	got the new one from the list, found another thing: if I boot original firmware and remove USB I boot straight into Rockbox
20:04:18	[IDC]Dragon	original firmware without ajbrec.ajz?
20:04:49	paulheu	Let me do that again...
20:05:02	paulheu	IT WORKS with hardcoded master setting
20:05:42	[IDC]Dragon	From original firmware and your USB trick, or they way it should be?
20:06:47	paulheu	What I ment was that I copied the .ucl to my archos using the original firmware (F1-ON), as soon as I unplug the USB the original FW reboots and then Rockbox loads from flash.
20:07:19	paulheu	HOWEVER, your latest patch, with hardcoded MASTER setting works as it should, from off to play in 4 secs..;)
20:07:36	[IDC]Dragon	was that with the normal Rockbox in flash, or the harcoded master version?
20:07:47	paulheu	the normal
20:08:22	[IDC]Dragon	OK, Archos seems to do a full reset when unplugging?
20:08:41	[IDC]Dragon	Then the disk is ready and Rockbox succeeds.
20:08:44	paulheu	Yes, the original formware does a warm reboot when you unplug USB
20:09:12	paulheu	with your latest patch a cold reboot also works..
20:09:52	[IDC]Dragon	OK. I'll do the master/slave detection in a different way for coldstart then. Will take me while, you'd better focus on your bus.
20:10:52	paulheu	Oh.. it's a five minutes walk to the stop so I have another half hour or so..:) But seriously.. when I leave I disconnect so you'll know..;)
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20:21:50	[IDC]Dragon	Paul, the new detection code is on your way.
20:23:49	[IDC]Dragon	Hmm. it didn't work on my box.
20:30:08	paulheu	Yeah.. got an ATA: -41 error..
20:30:19	[IDC]Dragon	same for me.
20:30:48	paulheu	Oh well.. I'll be going now.. I'll check back in when I get back.. we'll get it working soon enough..;)
20:31:04	[IDC]Dragon	You gt it working already...
20:31:14	[IDC]Dragon	got
20:31:55	paulheu	yeah, but I mean working without hardcoding..
20:32:05	[IDC]Dragon	Shure.
20:32:14	[IDC]Dragon	See you, thanks!
20:32:22	paulheu	later
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20:46:48	diddystar5	hey IDC
20:47:02	diddystar5	the flash is cool!
20:47:17	diddystar5	except i have that eroor ata -11
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20:49:19	[IDC]Dragon	Can you try http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/rockbox_master.ucl ?
20:49:33	[IDC]Dragon	Flash that as the second image.
20:49:59	[IDC]Dragon	Currently, the ATA master/slave autodetect fails.
20:50:16	diddystar5	ill give that a try right now im updating my source
20:50:26	[IDC]Dragon	So I made 2 hardcoded versions.
20:51:16	[IDC]Dragon	I guess people are more likely to have the disk configured as master.
20:51:55	diddystar5	alright gotta go
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21:01:37	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: what would happen if we try to flash even though the cip is identified as unflashable?
21:01:44	hardeep	er s/cip/chip
21:02:06	[IDC]Dragon	The plugin checks that again and quits.
21:02:36	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: what if we bypass that check?
21:03:15	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: just to make sure that the hw info check is correct
21:03:15	[IDC]Dragon	You can't program it, full stop. All the commands (erase sector, program bytes) will just do nothing.
21:03:37	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: heh, so no damage will be done....
21:03:44	[IDC]Dragon	Right.
21:03:52	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: any chance of getting a version that bypasses the check?
21:04:16	[IDC]Dragon	Believe me, this is pointless.
21:04:29	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: never hurts to try. :)
21:04:57	[IDC]Dragon	If the flash can't do the ID command, it won't do anything for you.
21:05:29	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: well, i noticed the check you're doing is looking for certain manufacturers... what if you missed one?
21:05:52	[IDC]Dragon	No, it is generic.
21:05:56	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: also, in your comments you mention that there is a possibility that your check won't work
21:06:10	[IDC]Dragon	I changed my mind.
21:07:07	[IDC]Dragon	The alternative addresses I try are the same in the lower bits, and only those count.
21:07:13	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: also, what if the sleep is not enough, etc. any number of possibilities...
21:07:48	hardeep	[IDC]Dragon: i know you mentioned that your chip is not flashable... did you actually try to do it though?
21:07:59	[IDC]Dragon	Open your box, have a look what chip is in. I'll hold a bet it's the SST37
21:08:56	[IDC]Dragon	I know I have a SST37, and I have the datasheet for it.
21:09:39	[IDC]Dragon	You need to attach 12.5 Volts at certain times to 2 pins to bring it into programming mode.
21:10:17	[IDC]Dragon	And it's not sector programmable, only as a whole.
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21:16:34	[IDC]Dragon	Hi Bj�rn!
21:16:46	Zagor	hi
21:17:25	[IDC]Dragon	My release turned out to become a field test. :-(
21:18:21	Zagor	heh, yeah. but you put out enough warnings, so I say the early testers did it on their own risk
21:18:55	[IDC]Dragon	No real risk, because of the Archos firmware also in.
21:19:15	[IDC]Dragon	Everybody can still start it with F1-On.
21:20:04	[IDC]Dragon	I dis som iterations with Paul. The ATA master/slave autodetect seems to be the problem.
21:20:14	[IDC]Dragon	did some
21:20:46	[IDC]Dragon	If I hard-code it to master, it works for him.
21:21:07	Zagor	ok. I can do some tests if you've got any ideas to try.
21:21:19	[IDC]Dragon	What tests?
21:21:38	Zagor	if you have ideas for solutions
21:22:15	[IDC]Dragon	The idea is to write a better autodetect.
21:22:46	[IDC]Dragon	Actually, are there people with slave disks?
21:22:51	Zagor	yes
21:23:09	Zagor	very wrong, but unfortunately true
21:23:33	[IDC]Dragon	Does the Archos software handle that?
21:24:20	Zagor	yes
21:26:10	Zagor	what happens if you simply wait a second before calling master_slave_detect?
21:30:46	MT	Zagor: can i distract you for a minute?
21:30:51	Zagor	sure
21:31:30	MT	ive added a few patches to the tracker, one is for wormlet, adds menu functions and setting game parameters etc
21:31:58	MT	the other changes the status bar to not show the 'charging animation' when it is in numeric mode
21:32:39	MT	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=768153&group_id=44306&atid=439120 is the wormlet one
21:33:17	MT	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=768466&group_id=44306&atid=439120 is the status bar one
21:33:44	MT	im just trying to make people aware of them, as I'm off on holiday soon, wont be able to hassle then :)
21:34:45	Zagor	hehe. yeah, i'll be away next week too. hopefully i'll merge these two before then.
21:35:10	MT	cool :)
21:35:32	MT	the wormlet patch is the msot important one, stops midnight2k hassleing me :/
21:35:50	Zagor	haha
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22:19:11	Phantomdj	hi
22:19:16	Zagor	hi
22:21:44	Phantomdj	any good news about flash plug in ?
22:23:05	Phantomdj	Dragon ??? :D
22:25:44	Zagor	he's away.
22:26:03	Phantomdj	yes I know
22:26:35	Phantomdj	but I'm really want to have it
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22:27:00	Phantomdj	even if I don't really need it since my recorder boot in less than 10seconds
22:27:09	Zagor	really?
22:27:14	Phantomdj	yes
22:27:19	Zagor	fm rec?
22:27:29	Phantomdj	no 10 rec
22:27:47	Zagor	interesting. which rom firmware do you have?
22:28:01	Phantomdj	I had a 6 rec but I good probleme with it (it burned :D)
22:28:15	Phantomdj	so since I leave near Archos I give it to them
22:28:25	Phantomdj	but they didn't have 6go anymore
22:28:37	Phantomdj	so they give me a 10 with 1.28 firmware
22:29:10	Zagor	what model harddisk do you have?
22:29:31	Phantomdj	hmm
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22:29:55	Phantomdj	Hitachi_DK23DA-10
22:29:56	angelofblade	anyone ere
22:30:11	Phantomdj	Firmware 00J3A0A2
22:30:20	angelofblade	could someone answer a question i got for 2.0 for jukebox
22:30:31	Zagor	angelofblade: sure
22:30:45	angelofblade	what is the lowest kbs it runs
22:30:52	Phantomdj	I ve just one problem with it the free space is wrong
22:31:11	Zagor	angelofblade: uh, don't remember. 8 i think.
22:31:12	angelofblade	use your pc to check
22:31:18	angelofblade	go to run error
22:31:26	angelofblade	right click on drive
22:31:33	Phantomdj	my PC give the good free space
22:31:48	angelofblade	thanks
22:31:52	angelofblade	8 is good
22:32:22	angelofblade	where you get the info??? for it to be 8
22:32:33	angelofblade	i need to know for sure
22:32:41	Zagor	Phantomdj: that's a windows problem. later versions of windows doesn't use the proper way to store free space.
22:32:58	Phantomdj	yes but I talk about rockbox
22:33:21	Zagor	angelofblade: 32kbit is the lowest mp3 bitrate
22:33:28	angelofblade	how come there is no op in here
22:33:49	angelofblade	i hear the fireware could change that bit rate
22:33:51	Zagor	Phantomdj: if windows writes bad info, rockbox can't know what's right
22:34:03	Zagor	angelofblade: we don't need ops here
22:34:11	angelofblade	hahahah i c
22:34:20	Zagor	angelofblade: firewire change bitrate?
22:34:53	Phantomdj	so it normal if the original firmware don't give me true free space too ?
22:35:12	Zagor	Phantomdj: yes
22:35:21	Phantomdj	ARG
22:35:31	Phantomdj	is there a way to make it work
22:35:35	angelofblade	could i run a 16kbs music on my jukebox 2.0 version
22:35:39	Phantomdj	without using linux
22:35:43	Zagor	you can make rockbox recalculate free space by pressing PLAY in the "disk info" menu
22:36:20	Zagor	angelofblade: probably
22:36:27		Nick [IDC]Dragon\|away is now known as [IDC]Dragon (~idc-drago@pD9512BF5.dip.t-dialin.net)
22:36:50	Phantomdj	YIPEE he is back :D
22:37:04	[IDC]Dragon	I'm only briefly back, definitely need sleep soon.
22:37:17	angelofblade	i c
22:37:22	Phantomdj	...
22:37:46	Zagor	hi dragon. i managed to bypass the master/slave check by checking for both BSY and RDY. but then it fails on io_address_detect instead...
22:37:53	angelofblade	i have something that run 16kbs
22:37:54	Phantomdj	so, just to say you do a good job and I will wait until a perfect plug in
22:37:57	Zagor	uh, not bypass. pass.
22:38:09	[IDC]Dragon	Zagor, yes, I tried that, too.
22:38:10	angelofblade	i need to make space
22:38:19	Phantomdj	(even if it's easy to find realase1 on your webspace)
22:38:20	[IDC]Dragon	Are you running from flash?
22:38:30	angelofblade	anyone know what the next version going to be???
22:38:37	Zagor	yes
22:38:53	[IDC]Dragon	And you got ATA error -11?
22:38:58	Zagor	yes
22:39:07	[IDC]Dragon	Oh, that's good.
22:39:14	Phantomdj	I've try too
22:39:20	[IDC]Dragon	Not for you, I mean.
22:39:21	Phantomdj	but I ve another error
22:39:22	Zagor	angelofblade: see the roadmap on the front page
22:39:32	Phantomdj	just a seconde...
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22:40:22	Guest	hi all
22:40:33	angelofblade	Lots of features and fixes that were held off for 2.0
22:40:42	angelofblade	what feature
22:40:45	angelofblade	anyone know
22:40:46	[IDC]Dragon	Zagor: I tried measuring the time the reset takes, inclufing it's wait_for_bsy().
22:40:47	MT	lots
22:41:13	Guest	I just readed the ML, and oh surprise I readed that now the Flash firmware isr released . waaahhh but where are the neceessary files ??
22:41:30	[IDC]Dragon	The non-present drive should not give busy, so almost zero time.
22:41:33	Zagor	Guest: it's not ready yet
22:41:59	Zagor	we're chasing a bug
22:42:00	[IDC]Dragon	I tried to do the master/slave detection based on these measurements.
22:42:04	angelofblade	anyone here listen to audio book on their mp3
22:42:22	Guest	yes I use mp3 audio book
22:42:35	angelofblade	what book guest
22:43:09	Guest	IDCDrgaon : good job for the flashable foirmware, but in your last post ; I rezaded the rezadme.txt but wheer are the necessary files ??
22:43:32	MT	argh
22:43:33	[IDC]Dragon	They're badly hidden.. ;-)
22:43:33	Zagor	<Zagor> Guest: it's not ready yet
22:43:36	angelofblade	what book you listen to guest
22:44:03	Guest	sure for me they are hidden ,
22:44:22	Guest	Zagor: what do you mean
22:44:33	[IDC]Dragon	I could do an intermediate release with ATA master hardcoded.
22:45:01	Guest	IDC could you indicates me where is the current release, please
22:45:04	Zagor	yeah, that's an idea
22:45:17	Zagor	Guest: it's not working yet. will you please read what I write to you?
22:45:34	[IDC]Dragon	OK, I'll do an intermediate.
22:45:35	Phantomdj	>dragon: I got the release1
22:45:40	Phantomdj	but
22:45:48	Phantomdj	when I use it :
22:45:54	Phantomdj	Flash: M=BF D=D6
22:45:54	Phantomdj	SST39VF020
22:45:54	Phantomdj	Size: 256KB
22:45:54	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Phantomdj
22:45:54	Phantomdj	using file:
22:45:54	Phantomdj	[F1]to....
22:45:55	***	Alert Mode level 1
22:45:55	Phantomdj	.....
22:46:16	Guest	Zagor : I did read what you say; but in the ML many people seems to get succesfull result withit , so where are the actually problems
22:46:18	Phantomdj	using file :
22:46:22	Phantomdj	firmware_rec.bin
22:46:35	Phantomdj	but if i use F1
22:46:40	Zagor	Guest: the problem is that ATA detection does not work fully yet
22:46:41	Phantomdj	Checked :
22:46:46	Phantomdj	File invalid
22:46:48	[IDC]Dragon	Guest: the ATA init is not reliable.
22:46:54	Phantomdj	Sanity check failed
22:46:55	angelofblade	anyone know any fireware for apple mp3 player
22:47:05	Guest	IDC Dragon : what does it imply
22:47:21	[IDC]Dragon	Phantom: can you email me your firmware dump?
22:47:25	Zagor	angelofblade: http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/index.shtml
22:47:55	Phantomdj	[IDC]Dragon : the first dump before use plugin ?
22:48:14	Zagor	Guest: it means you get "ATA error: -11" instead of successful boot
22:48:23	[IDC]Dragon	Guest et al: Currently, you'll need to flash http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/rockbox_master.ucl afterwards, as the second image.
22:49:08	Guest	thanks, and the where are the 2 others file
22:49:10	[IDC]Dragon	Phantom: the 256 kB generated by the debug menu entry.
22:49:22	angelofblade	who want to download some audio book
22:49:26	Phantomdj	ok
22:49:27	[IDC]Dragon	Guest: look in the same dir
22:49:32	angelofblade	pm me
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22:50:23	Phantomdj	[IDC]Dragon : it's send
22:50:30	Phantomdj	1.28 firmware
22:50:43	angelofblade	what this 1.28??? for
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22:51:04	Phantomdj	?
22:51:20	Phantomdj	this is just the last official firmware
22:51:28	angelofblade	o can i have
22:51:36	Phantomdj	no :D
22:51:40	angelofblade	why
22:51:43	angelofblade	???
22:51:43	Phantomdj	it is on the web
22:51:46	Phantomdj	oups
22:51:53	Phantomdj	it is NOT on the web
22:52:04	Guest57	IDC Dragon , sorry I m back
22:52:05	angelofblade	is this for archos jukebox
22:52:07	Phantomdj	and the dump isn't usable
22:52:13	Phantomdj	recorder
22:52:23	angelofblade	i c
22:52:32	Guest57	SO with the actual release : What could I do ? what works ?
22:52:40	Zagor	dragon: ata error -21 with your image
22:53:00	angelofblade	anyone here use bittorrent
22:53:02	[IDC]Dragon	the master hardcoded one?
22:53:06	Zagor	yes
22:53:12	[IDC]Dragon	Uh Oh
22:53:24	[IDC]Dragon	So this is no interim solution.
22:53:28	angelofblade	anyone here use bittorrent
22:53:30	angelofblade	anyone here use bittorrent
22:53:32	Zagor	seems not :-)
22:53:40	Zagor	angelofblade: how is that relevant to rockbox?
22:53:46	[IDC]Dragon	I was just about to pack it together.
22:53:52	angelofblade	is a way to download music
22:54:08	angelofblade	or audio book
22:54:28	MT	an illegal way of doing so
22:54:34	angelofblade	yep
22:54:43	[IDC]Dragon	Zagor: so io_address_detect() fails now.
22:54:47	Zagor	yes
22:54:56	[IDC]Dragon	You have a really picky drive.
22:55:51	[IDC]Dragon	In a way, I hope this is good, as a pipecleaner.
22:55:56	***	Alert Mode OFF
22:56:17	angelofblade	BitTorrent is a P2P file swarming application. This means that as soon as you have downloaded a few chunks of a file it will start uploading it to others, thereby spreading the file better. Install the client to be able to download from BitTorrent.
22:56:28	[IDC]Dragon	Are you an ATA expert? I'm not.
22:57:03	Zagor	well, i know a bit having written several drivers
22:57:21	[IDC]Dragon	Sound good.
22:57:44	angelofblade	gtg
22:57:48	angelofblade	thanks for help
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22:58:43	[IDC]Dragon	I don't wan't to appear lazy or rude, but I hope the ATA init is in good hands with you tonight. I'll really need some sleep.
22:59:12	Zagor	hehe, no problems. i'll see what I can do.
22:59:31	[IDC]Dragon	Thanks. Goodnight, everybody.
22:59:56	[IDC]Dragon	(checking cvs tomorrow ;-)
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23:00:01	Zagor	goodnight
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23:16:08	Guest57	hi all
23:28:37	Zagor	bingo
23:28:58	Zagor	uh, no :)
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23:38:06	tpelliott	Any luck fixing the ATA issues in Rombox?
23:38:28	Zagor	not yet, i'm working on it
23:38:56	tpelliott	ok. If you want me to test something, let me know.
23:39:13	Zagor	ok
23:39:45	tpelliott	Thanks for all og your effort.
23:39:53	tpelliott	of
23:51:27	Zagor	whammo, got it
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