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| 00:35:55 | diddystar5 | Zagor: hey |
| 00:36:15 | Zagor | hi |
| 00:36:35 | diddystar5 | Zagor: why is USE_GAMES in bounce.c never used? |
| 00:37:05 | Zagor | it's removed |
| 00:37:31 | Zagor | the USE_GAMES macro is deprecated since all games are moved to plugins and thus don't take up extra space |
| 00:37:46 | diddystar5 | Zagor: sorry i meant USE_CLOCK |
| 00:38:15 | Zagor | ok. that's because it talks to the rtc, which is not supported by the plugin api |
| 00:38:31 | diddystar5 | ok i see |
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| 00:39:58 | MT | diddystar5: you'll be pleased to know ive finished my wormlet patch, its on the patch tracker and Zagor is going to try and add it to main source sometime this week hopefully |
| 00:39:59 | MT | ;p |
| 00:40:30 | diddystar5 | oooh thats cool MT |
| 00:40:50 | diddystar5 | i'm gonna give it a try now |
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| 00:42:10 | BoD[] | hi! |
| 00:42:23 | diddystar5 | hey there BoD[] |
| 00:44:28 | diddystar5 | MT: have you tried to flash your box yet? |
| 00:44:42 | diddystar5 | i mean the other flash ;) |
| 00:46:26 | MT | no, and i doubt i will |
| 00:46:32 | MT | boots fast enough for me atm |
| 00:46:41 | * | Stevie-O tries flashing with his digital camera flash |
| 00:47:24 | diddystar5 | i gave it a try work very well and VERY fast |
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| 00:48:04 | MT | hmm |
| 00:48:06 | | Part Dario |
| 00:48:13 | MT | now zagor has fixed that bug i may give it a try |
| 00:49:34 | diddystar5 | i got it to work without that bug fix |
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| 00:57:23 | diddystar5 | MT: your patch does not work while running in flash, i had to do a normal boot |
| 00:57:43 | MT | sure it does |
| 00:57:52 | MT | you just havent flashed the correct image |
| 00:57:58 | BoD[] | what is this flash thing |
| 00:58:07 | MT | as to accomodate those menus, the plugin api had to be changed |
| 00:58:23 | MT | so they wont work with default firmwares |
| 00:58:38 | Zagor | BoD[]: you can flash rockbox instead of the archos firmware |
| 00:58:44 | diddystar5 | oooo i see |
| 00:58:53 | BoD[] | wow ... it works ? |
| 00:59:03 | BoD[] | :) does it mean it boots faster ? |
| 00:59:06 | diddystar5 | 1 sec and ill change my flash ver |
| 00:59:11 | Zagor | a lot faster |
| 00:59:18 | diddystar5 | 4 secs for me bod |
| 00:59:28 | BoD[] | how do you flash it ? |
| 00:59:41 | MT | diddystar5: it wont work unless you flash a compressed version of the firmware that has been compiled with my patch applied |
| 00:59:49 | Zagor | BoD[]: using a rockbox plugin |
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| 01:00:01 | Zagor | check out Jörgs video to see the speed: http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/rockbox_flash_boot.avi |
| 01:00:11 | diddystar5 | i know MT im making one right now |
| 01:00:14 | BoD[] | ok I'll watch that |
| 01:00:39 | BoD[] | I didn't try rockbox since there is the plugin system |
| 01:01:16 | Zagor | you've missed a bit then :) |
| 01:01:20 | BoD[] | wow is it a divx |
| 01:01:26 | BoD[] | I need to install divx codecs |
| 01:01:44 | Zagor | yes it is |
| 01:01:50 | BoD[] | ok wait |
| 01:02:46 | | Quit diddystar5 ("Gotta Go!") |
| 01:02:55 | BoD[] | while it's downloading ... |
| 01:03:16 | BoD[] | so is the "flash" plugin in the default rockbox download ? |
| 01:03:36 | MT | mmmmmm |
| 01:03:37 | Zagor | no, it's only experimental right now. it will be polished and released in the next few days |
| 01:03:46 | BoD[] | ok |
| 01:03:56 | BoD[] | well maybe I can wait till then :) |
| 01:04:05 | Zagor | :) |
| 01:05:00 | BoD[] | wow :))))))))) |
| 01:05:10 | BoD[] | ok I've seen the video |
| 01:05:16 | BoD[] | and want to try it now :))) |
| 01:05:20 | Zagor | hehe |
| 01:05:28 | MT | id wait tbh |
| 01:05:50 | MT | i didnt like the look of http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-07/0364.shtml |
| 01:06:24 | Zagor | heh, that's how it goes when you become too eager :) |
| 01:06:26 | BoD[] | woops |
| 01:06:40 | BoD[] | ok I'll wait then |
| 01:06:54 | MT | especially fi you have an FM :) |
| 01:07:00 | BoD[] | I have a recorder |
| 01:07:03 | BoD[] | 20 |
| 01:10:16 | BoD[] | anyway that's REALLY great |
| 01:10:39 | MT | the reasons i wont do it |
| 01:10:49 | MT | you've only got 100 flashes in that beast |
| 01:10:59 | Stevie-O | 100? |
| 01:11:02 | Zagor | no, you've got 100000 flashes |
| 01:11:11 | MT | mm? |
| 01:11:13 | Stevie-O | i thought it was 100k |
| 01:11:20 | Stevie-O | 100.000 |
| 01:11:28 | Zagor | yes |
| 01:11:29 | MT | im sure Dragon said 100 on the mailing list |
| 01:11:32 | MT | well |
| 01:11:36 | MT | that changes my perspective |
| 01:11:40 | MT | flash me up |
| 01:11:44 | Zagor | hehe |
| 01:11:48 | Stevie-O | don't tell me you thought that that was a decimal separator |
| 01:12:03 | Stevie-O | I expect a comma there, but please, some common sense |
| 01:12:06 | MT | im british, shoot me now :/ |
| 01:12:10 | Zagor | haha |
| 01:12:21 | MT | i shall endeavour to hide furtively now |
| 01:12:35 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 01:12:39 | MT | 100 scared me a lot |
| 01:12:48 | MT | i make about that many a week |
| 01:12:49 | * | Stevie-O makes a new flash chip that can be flashed exactly 100.001 times (that's 1.00001x10^2) |
| 01:13:21 | Stevie-O | lol, I'm used to flash chips that are about a million write cycles |
| 01:13:23 | Zagor | i still urge you all to be patient for another day or so until we make this more official |
| 01:13:35 | BoD[] | i will wait |
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| 01:15:37 | BoD[] | would it be feasible &/| easy to write a plugin that just make the light blink ... in rithm with the music ? |
| 01:16:04 | Zagor | we can't extract the rythm, since we only see mp3 data |
| 01:16:05 | MT | have you been talking to tracktheripper? |
| 01:16:39 | BoD[] | well when I say "in rhythm" I mean just something like the vumeters |
| 01:17:10 | Zagor | well yeah that would be possible. very strange-looking, but possible. |
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| 01:17:27 | tracktheripper | hey |
| 01:18:04 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 01:18:11 | BoD[] | possible but easy ? :) I would like to write it but of course never wrote something for rockbox |
| 01:18:35 | Stevie-O | if it was easy someone would have done it |
| 01:19:02 | BoD[] | stevie : maybe nobody has the need for something that would make the light blink ;) |
| 01:19:11 | Zagor | it would just blink apparently at random unless your music only contains very a loud bass drum |
| 01:19:23 | BoD[] | I assume it would discharge the battery fast? |
| 01:19:23 | tracktheripper | hi zagor stevie and bod |
| 01:19:28 | BoD[] | hi track! |
| 01:19:32 | tracktheripper | hello |
| 01:19:35 | tracktheripper | whats up? |
| 01:19:40 | tracktheripper | did I miss anything? |
| 01:21:00 | tracktheripper | what does ISO stand for? Ive seen ISO used a lot for computer and electronic terms |
| 01:21:13 | BoD[] | i guess international standard organism |
| 01:21:19 | BoD[] | or zation |
| 01:21:46 | tracktheripper | well i thought ISO meant international standards organisation but I wasn't sure if that was correct |
| 01:21:58 | BoD[] | International Organization for Standardization |
| 01:22:06 | BoD[] | == IOS :) so that's stupid |
| 01:22:07 | tracktheripper | ahhhhhhh |
| 01:22:20 | tracktheripper | its ISO not IOS :) |
| 01:22:43 | BoD[] | I know but that's what they say on their site |
| 01:22:47 | tracktheripper | yea you are right |
| 01:22:51 | tracktheripper | ive just seen it myself :-) |
| 01:23:29 | BoD[] | Because "International Organization for Standardization" would have different abbreviations in different languages ("IOS" in English, "OIN" in French for Organisation internationale de normalisation), it was decided at the outset to use a word derived from the Greek isos, meaning "equal". Therefore, whatever the country, whatever the language, the short form of the organization's name is always ISO. |
| 01:23:49 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 01:24:15 | tracktheripper | BoD What do u think of simulating the Player's LCD on the Recorder? |
| 01:24:35 | BoD[] | track : what for |
| 01:24:53 | tracktheripper | larger icons, larger font, slightly less cluttered |
| 01:25:00 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 01:25:29 | BoD[] | you can just choose a larger font on the recorder ! |
| 01:25:38 | tracktheripper | oops! |
| 01:25:48 | tracktheripper | ((never thought of that!)) |
| 01:25:56 | Stevie-O | lmao |
| 01:25:56 | BoD[] | I'm not sure about the icons though ? are they special characters in the font ? |
| 01:26:06 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 01:26:12 | Zagor | no, they are fixed |
| 01:26:13 | tracktheripper | they are hard-wired into the Player's LCD |
| 01:26:42 | BoD[] | zagor : ok |
| 01:26:52 | BoD[] | track: I was talking about the recorder |
| 01:27:06 | tracktheripper | oh ok |
| 01:27:26 | tracktheripper | Ive never used a Player so I cannot comment on its interface |
| 01:27:32 | Zagor | i'm off to bed. night all. |
| 01:27:37 | BoD[] | bye |
| 01:27:40 | tracktheripper | Zagor how does the player's LCD compare to the Recorders? |
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| 01:28:07 | BoD[] | well I'm sure they are crap :) |
| 01:28:43 | tracktheripper | that feature request was cool "Invert the Player's LCD" :-) |
| 01:29:02 | BoD[] | did they answer it's not feasible ? |
| 01:29:26 | Guest57 | hi all |
| 01:29:34 | tracktheripper | hi guest |
| 01:29:40 | Guest57 | OIs there some news about the Falshale firmware |
| 01:30:24 | BoD[] | you mean flashable ? |
| 01:30:48 | Stevie-O | no, the falshale |
| 01:30:52 | Stevie-O | from Falshale, NJ |
| 01:31:17 | BoD[] | :)))) |
| 01:32:35 | Guest57 | no flashable , sorry |
| 01:33:39 | BoD[] | I don't know if it's news but you can look at this : http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/rockbox_flash_boot.avi |
| 01:34:50 | tracktheripper | night all |
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| 01:50:45 | Guest57 | has someone a .ucl file for the recorder that I could flash to aqvoid the ATA:-11 problem and get it to boot into rockbox in 3-4 secs .... like the others luky guys ... thanks |
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| 02:16:14 | BoD[] | http://www.sco.com/company/feedback/thanks.html |
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| 02:32:58 | * | Stevie-O yawns |
| 02:36:39 | tpelliott | I just HAD to see if my Archos would flash Rombox. It did and I got the expected result "ATA error: -11" but I do get the safe ON+F1 boot so I'm happy it works. |
| 02:37:31 | Stevie-O | what's this ON+F1 boot thing? |
| 02:38:08 | tpelliott | It's safe mode. Boots to the original Archos firmware. |
| 02:38:48 | * | Stevie-O would hardly consider that 'safe'... ;) |
| 02:39:10 | tpelliott | It's better than a doorstop :) |
| 02:39:57 | Stevie-O | only by a hair :D |
| 02:40:03 | Stevie-O | ata error -11 eh? |
| 02:40:52 | tpelliott | Yes. The flashed version of Rockbox still has a bug. Read thye mailing list. |
| 02:43:44 | Stevie-O | this is strange |
| 02:45:30 | Stevie-O | is the source tree that spawned the rockbox-flash code available? |
| 02:57:45 | Stevie-O | wtf |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:42 | Stevie-O | hey tpelliott |
| 03:00:44 | Stevie-O | you here? |
| 03:01:24 | tpelliott | I'm here but I'm not a programmer. |
| 03:01:33 | Stevie-O | that's quite alright |
| 03:01:38 | Stevie-O | does it say |
| 03:02:00 | Stevie-O | ATA error: -11 |
| 03:02:06 | Stevie-O | Press ON to debug |
| 03:02:08 | Stevie-O | ? |
| 03:02:15 | tpelliott | Yes. |
| 03:02:22 | Stevie-O | something's not right |
| 03:02:38 | Stevie-O | see, -11 isn't a valid value for us to be getting |
| 03:02:54 | Stevie-O | i assume you have a plain old Recorder? |
| 03:02:55 | tpelliott | You can still get it working by holding F1 when you turn it on. |
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| 03:03:42 | tpelliott | Yes. I don't want the FM since they took of the digital I/O |
| 03:03:46 | Stevie-O | one valid value IS -1 |
| 03:03:48 | tpelliott | off |
| 03:03:52 | earHurts | How are you gentlemen !! |
| 03:04:24 | earHurts | that and the battery, I'm beginning to regret getting the fm |
| 03:04:25 | BoD[] | Somebody have set us up the bomb |
| 03:04:30 | * | Stevie-O thwaps td |
| 03:04:37 | earHurts | but it is smaller and lighter & better looking |
| 03:04:38 | tpelliott | I'm ok. Most of the others must be off programming. |
| 03:04:55 | earHurts | Make your time |
| 03:04:57 | Stevie-O | has anybody here looked at the ata -11 issue? |
| 03:05:09 | earHurts | nope |
| 03:05:20 | Stevie-O | what I don't understand is that -11 isn't a valid value |
| 03:05:22 | earHurts | the issue with the rombox? |
| 03:05:35 | tpelliott | Joerg is off working on that now. |
| 03:05:37 | Stevie-O | unless our snprintf is buggy |
| 03:05:49 | Stevie-O | joerg is probably asleep, it's 3am there |
| 03:05:57 | earHurts | is (unsigned) -11? |
| 03:06:06 | Stevie-O | earHurts: no |
| 03:06:26 | tpelliott | ok. I wasn't sure. It would be best to wait for the all-clear from him. |
| 03:06:29 | earHurts | our printf rountines don't undeerstand shorts |
| 03:06:40 | Stevie-O | it's not a short |
| 03:06:42 | earHurts | or longs |
| 03:06:48 | Stevie-O | it's not a long |
| 03:06:53 | Stevie-O | wheres the snprintf definition? |
| 03:07:01 | BoD[] | -11 == 245 right ? |
| 03:07:02 | earHurts | stdio.h |
| 03:07:05 | earHurts | ? |
| 03:07:18 | Stevie-O | that's the prototype |
| 03:07:20 | earHurts | if it's a char |
| 03:07:20 | Stevie-O | wheres the soruce? |
| 03:07:23 | Stevie-O | BoD[]: only for bytes |
| 03:07:26 | Stevie-O | this is an int |
| 03:07:30 | earHurts | oh firmware/something |
| 03:07:39 | earHurts | stdio.c? |
| 03:07:51 | earHurts | I'm not at my computer |
| 03:07:55 | Stevie-O | ah |
| 03:08:02 | Stevie-O | firmware/common/snprintf.c |
| 03:08:09 | tpelliott | Actually, Joerg has some new files on his site. A couple of .ucl files yuou could burn as the secong copy. |
| 03:08:15 | BoD[] | then it's 65525 ? :) |
| 03:08:38 | Stevie-O | no |
| 03:08:40 | Stevie-O | our ints are 32 bits |
| 03:08:45 | BoD[] | arf |
| 03:08:54 | Stevie-O | so try 4294967285 |
| 03:08:59 | earHurts | those .ucl are really britney spheres mpegs he's hiding from the riaa |
| 03:09:01 | Stevie-O | which is definitely not returned by ata_init |
| 03:09:12 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 03:09:13 | BoD[] | 4294967285 |
| 03:09:16 | BoD[] | :))) |
| 03:09:20 | Stevie-O | ok |
| 03:09:22 | Stevie-O | val = sign = -1 |
| 03:09:28 | Stevie-O | val = 1 |
| 03:09:45 | Stevie-O | *−−str = '1' |
| 03:09:51 | Stevie-O | val = 0 |
| 03:10:18 | Stevie-O | hm |
| 03:10:22 | tpelliott | Have you guys done the rombox flashing yet? |
| 03:10:30 | earHurts | not me |
| 03:10:35 | earHurts | I have an fm |
| 03:10:55 | earHurts | it's tremedous work, i can't wait to try |
| 03:11:35 | earHurts | did anybody watch that stupid reality show last night? |
| 03:11:44 | tpelliott | I will probably try the .ucl files since my box is working in safe mode. Safe mode should still work. |
| 03:11:48 | BoD[] | what channel? |
| 03:11:48 | earHurts | did she pick the guy or the money? |
| 03:12:01 | earHurts | uh, nbc? |
| 03:12:07 | earHurts | safe mode?? |
| 03:12:39 | BoD[] | anyway I have to go to bed:) |
| 03:12:42 | BoD[] | see you all! |
| 03:12:45 | tpelliott | turn on your box holding F1 |
| 03:12:48 | earHurts | night |
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| 03:13:03 | earHurts | oh rombox safe mode |
| 03:14:43 | tpelliott | Yes. Another reason I'm glad I have the older recorder, plus, if the batteries go dead, I can put in a spare set. |
| 03:15:15 | earHurts | yeah. just taunt me ok? ;) |
| 03:15:35 | tpelliott | I can't believe they took out the digital I/O on the FM |
| 03:15:54 | earHurts | they didn't take it out |
| 03:16:07 | earHurts | of the advertising & specs |
| 03:16:07 | tpelliott | Someone told me they did. |
| 03:16:33 | earHurts | i might not have bought it if they had |
| 03:16:54 | earHurts | i remeber when i tried it |
| 03:17:02 | earHurts | and got nothing |
| 03:17:11 | tpelliott | You can still play your FM recorder through your reciever's Toslink connection? Cool. |
| 03:18:01 | Stevie-O | hmmm |
| 03:18:22 | tpelliott | I play mine through my Sound Blaster Extigy. It works even if the computer is turned off. |
| 03:18:24 | Stevie-O | tpelliott: you still have RB flashed? |
| 03:18:56 | earHurts | i just play my mp3s on my pc |
| 03:19:08 | Stevie-O | my laptop sound is broken :( |
| 03:19:17 | tpelliott | Yes, but with the ATA error. |
| 03:19:30 | Stevie-O | tpelliott: but you can still boot the archos fw |
| 03:20:00 | Stevie-O | if you have the rockbox ajbrec.ajz on there does it load that? |
| 03:20:11 | tpelliott | They have some nice bookshelf systems with USB input for sound from your computer. |
| 03:20:27 | tpelliott | I can still boot Archos in safe mode. |
| 03:20:40 | earHurts | but that means no rolo |
| 03:20:45 | Stevie-O | that's what I mean |
| 03:20:50 | Stevie-O | when you boot the archos in this 'safe mode' |
| 03:21:03 | Stevie-O | does the archos fw do its automatic ROLO thing? |
| 03:21:14 | tpelliott | Yes. Safe mode roro's Rockbox like normal. |
| 03:21:18 | earHurts | yeah, what stevie said |
| 03:21:20 | Stevie-O | excellent |
| 03:21:25 | Stevie-O | I need you to do me a favor :) |
| 03:21:31 | Stevie-O | in the debug menu |
| 03:21:45 | Stevie-O | there should be an option to 'dump roms' |
| 03:21:45 | earHurts | so it's still a quicker boot? |
| 03:22:06 | tpelliott | Yes...I'm in the debug menu. |
| 03:22:12 | Stevie-O | select that option |
| 03:22:18 | Stevie-O | it will create two files on your thing |
| 03:22:26 | tpelliott | I've done that, per instructions. |
| 03:22:34 | Stevie-O | wait |
| 03:22:36 | Stevie-O | per what instructions? |
| 03:22:43 | tpelliott | Rombox. |
| 03:22:48 | earHurts | he he, he said 'thing' |
| 03:22:56 | Stevie-O | earHurts |
| 03:23:04 | Stevie-O | i'm about to make the rest of you hurt too |
| 03:23:04 | earHurts | yeah? |
| 03:23:07 | tpelliott | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/ |
| 03:23:50 | * | Stevie-O teaches joerg to wrap his goddamn txt lines |
| 03:24:11 | earHurts | yeah, I had to d/l his instructions |
| 03:24:16 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 03:24:17 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 03:24:30 | Stevie-O | so you have backups of those internal rom files on your pc? |
| 03:24:38 | tpelliott | I use Ultra Edit, which has a wrap icon. |
| 03:24:51 | tpelliott | The large one. |
| 03:24:57 | Stevie-O | i use Opera |
| 03:25:08 | Stevie-O | which doesn't have such a button |
| 03:25:08 | Stevie-O | :D |
| 03:25:19 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 03:25:33 | Stevie-O | I need you to use the debug menu to generate a *new* set of rom files |
| 03:26:02 | Stevie-O | then I need you to zip both up and mail them to me |
| 03:26:15 | tpelliott | It should be the same as in "release1.zip" |
| 03:26:21 | Stevie-O | no |
| 03:26:38 | Stevie-O | because those rom files are from your flash chip |
| 03:27:02 | Stevie-O | unless you know something I don't |
| 03:27:04 | earHurts | he means joerg's eelease |
| 03:27:05 | tpelliott | Isn't that what I just put on my flash chip? |
| 03:27:29 | Stevie-O | isnt it a plugin and stuff? |
| 03:27:53 | tpelliott | The plugin just loads the .bin. |
| 03:27:53 | Stevie-O | i need the actual contents of your flash rom, as-is |
| 03:27:53 | Stevie-O | I don't have a Recorder |
| 03:28:29 | earHurts | they're probably the same. but give stevie what's there |
| 03:28:46 | Stevie-O | earHurts: they can't be the same, if it can boot the original archos fw |
| 03:29:18 | tpelliott | That's built in to Joerg's .bin file (Safe mode). |
| 03:29:46 | Stevie-O | but not everybody has the same archos fw |
| 03:29:58 | tpelliott | I'm going to try one of the .ucl files first. |
| 03:30:10 | tpelliott | So you want my original? |
| 03:30:13 | Stevie-O | no |
| 03:30:19 | Stevie-O | I need the current contents of your flash ROM |
| 03:30:38 | Stevie-O | as the dump command would generate them right now |
| 03:31:23 | Stevie-O | brb, i gotta find my laptop charger |
| 03:31:39 | tpelliott | ok. |
| 03:31:55 | tpelliott | I'll be back in a few minutes. |
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| 03:34:26 | Stevie-O | who mythed me |
| 03:34:59 | earHurts | you're legendary, but I didn't myth you |
| 03:35:12 | Stevie-O | :P |
| 03:36:17 | earHurts | stevie, what do you hope to find in tpe's dumps? |
| 03:36:57 | Stevie-O | some information |
| 03:37:27 | earHurts | thqank you, mr. obvious |
| 03:38:16 | Stevie-O | happy to help |
| 03:38:58 | earHurts | i thought you might want to convert them to .bmps, print them out, and decorate your walls with them |
| 03:39:05 | Stevie-O | hmmm |
| 03:39:07 | Stevie-O | theres an idea |
| 03:39:56 | * | Stevie-O wonders what tpelliott is doing |
| 03:47:31 | Stevie-O | this would be a record amount of time for the dump_rom to complete? |
| 03:48:22 | earHurts | he's hand verifying each bit is 1 or 0 |
| 03:48:29 | Stevie-O | uh huh |
| 03:48:34 | Stevie-O | how is he hand verifying it? |
| 03:49:25 | earHurts | you asked for it: |
| 03:49:27 | Stevie-O | he got a microscope? |
| 03:49:28 | earHurts | by hand |
| 03:49:44 | Stevie-O | an electron microscope |
| 03:51:07 | MT | whats special about his rom? |
| 03:51:39 | earHurts | it's flashed by rombox |
| 03:53:31 | earHurts | it's handcrafted by Donald Knuth from pure free-ranged bits |
| 03:54:12 | Stevie-O | lmao |
| 03:54:25 | Stevie-O | no, it's not |
| 03:54:30 | Stevie-O | the bits are kept in captivity |
| 03:54:38 | Stevie-O | it's the veal of flash sectors |
| 03:54:57 | earHurts | it's like free range chicken: they/were/ free ranging |
| 03:55:46 | earHurts | now they'ee on thrir way to the afterlife accompanied by an honor gaurd of l'orange |
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| 03:59:11 | tpelliott | I'm back |
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| 04:00:22 | tpelliott | I just tried "rockbox_master.ucl" and I naw have Rockbox working from ROM! I love it! |
| 04:00:47 | earHurts | on an fm? |
| 04:01:02 | tpelliott | No, older recorder. |
| 04:01:29 | tpelliott | I'm sure a version for FM will be comming shortly. |
| 04:01:57 | tpelliott | The newer .ucl file fixed the ATA errr. |
| 04:01:57 | earHurts | yeah |
| 04:03:03 | tpelliott | You can flash daily builds but you have to descramble the AJZ file, then compress it to a .ucl file. |
| 04:06:24 | tpelliott | Do you ust the digital i/o on your FM? |
| 04:07:35 | earHurts | nope |
| 04:07:58 | tpelliott | It's great if you have a home theater setup. |
| 04:11:10 | earHurts | digital out doesn't work |
| 04:11:20 | Stevie-O | i wanna know what this ucl file is |
| 04:11:33 | earHurts | I just connect my pc to my sony mini sterep |
| 04:13:55 | hardeep | Stevie-O: ucl is just the compression format that dragon is using for his roms |
| 04:14:12 | Stevie-O | i wanna know more about this format] |
| 04:14:42 | hardeep | Stevie-O: i believe there is a link in his text file |
| 04:15:21 | hardeep | yeah, http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/ucl/ |
| 04:17:06 | Stevie-O | hmm |
| 04:18:05 | Stevie-O | I don't see any actual information on the algorithm |
| 04:20:07 | hardeep | Stevie-O: yeah, it's quite sparse. there is some notes in the README in the tarball |
| 04:20:16 | tpelliott | I just tried the "rockbox_slave.ucl" file, just for the heck of it and it gave me another ATA error -41 |
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| 04:21:48 | tpelliott | Works fine, going back to the "rockbox_master.ucl" file. |
| 04:38:17 | MT | good god |
| 04:38:30 | MT | i could ahve compiled a kernel in the time it takes ucl to ./configure |
| 04:39:00 | tpelliott | You using Rombox? |
| 04:39:15 | MT | root@linux.woodhall.barn [03:36 AM] '~/ucl-1.01' |
| 04:39:15 | MT | > # ./configure |
| 04:39:22 | MT | config.status: creating config.h |
| 04:39:22 | MT | root@linux.woodhall.barn [03:40 AM] '~/ucl-1.01' |
| 04:39:27 | MT | ok, so slight exaggeration |
| 04:39:32 | OliverKlozoff | lol |
| 04:39:34 | MT | i could probably have made bzimage |
| 04:39:45 | OliverKlozoff | try: time ./configure |
| 04:39:57 | MT | im not going through it again! |
| 04:39:58 | MT | heh |
| 04:40:07 | OliverKlozoff | lol |
| 04:40:49 | tpelliott | I'm not a programmer but I want a .ucl that dosen't check for firmware on the hard drive. |
| 04:41:02 | OliverKlozoff | why? |
| 04:41:18 | tpelliott | SPEED!!! :) |
| 04:41:29 | OliverKlozoff | its got to do the equivalent anyway |
| 04:41:36 | OliverKlozoff | because it has to spin up to read the root directory |
| 04:42:01 | tpelliott | ok. I thaught Jorg said it added a second to boot. |
| 04:42:11 | tpelliott | Jourg |
| 04:42:20 | OliverKlozoff | if it does then it needs to be fixed :P |
| 04:42:47 | OliverKlozoff | it should be able to do the initial rolo check when it's reading the root dir |
| 04:42:59 | tpelliott | Cool. |
| 04:43:37 | tpelliott | I love the fact that we never have to see Archos firmware again! |
| 04:43:45 | MT | mm |
| 04:43:52 | MT | i find it incredibleyt scary actually |
| 04:44:02 | MT | thats what i really liked about rockbox |
| 04:44:08 | MT | i could fuck about with it |
| 04:44:24 | MT | and at the end of the day, i could fix all my mistakes just by plugging it into usb |
| 04:44:41 | MT | im confident about other peoples stuff, just my own changes that scare me |
| 04:44:49 | OliverKlozoff | lol |
| 04:44:52 | OliverKlozoff | then don't flash it :D |
| 04:45:06 | MT | fm anyways :) |
| 04:45:09 | tpelliott | I used "rockbox_master.ucl" to get around the ATA error. Worked great! |
| 04:45:21 | MT | mmm |
| 04:45:33 | MT | Zagor fixed that in rockbox source |
| 04:45:42 | MT | you need new images |
| 04:45:51 | MT | ata-11 problem? |
| 04:48:07 | tpelliott | I got the fixed version anyway from his site. |
| 04:48:27 | tpelliott | Yes. ATA Error: -11 |
| 04:50:29 | tpelliott | I'm sure it will be released and we'll see a news flash on the main Rockbox page tomarrow. |
| 04:51:08 | MT | there is one already .. |
| 04:51:18 | MT | 2003-07-09 22:04 zagor firmware/drivers/ata.c |
| 04:51:18 | MT | Cold start fixes: master_slave_select() now checks for BSY as well as RDY (since disks are BSY during powerup). Also, wait_for_bsy() looks at ATA_STATUS instead of ATA_ALT_STATUS, since the address of ATA_ALT_STATUS is not determined until later. |
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| 04:52:40 | tpelliott | I'm not a programmer but I want to eventually understand the source code enough to make personal changes. |
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| 05:03:08 | earHurts | what changes? |
| 05:05:12 | tpelliott | Menu items, etc. |
| 05:05:40 | tpelliott | I just flashed with the current daily build and all is well! |
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| 05:48:05 | tpelliott | Stevie-O, I read your latest message on the list but I no longer have the ATA error, in fact, I burned the latest (fixed) daily build. |
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| 06:12:25 | Stevie-O | does anyone here know wtf a flyback transformer is? |
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| 07:02:15 | earHurts | a transformer that fits on the back of a fly |
| 07:02:39 | earHurts | they come in house, horse, and bluebottle sizes |
| 07:02:46 | earHurts | thu! |
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| 07:17:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Good morning! |
| 07:22:28 | [IDC]Dragon | (everybody's sleeping) |
| 07:48:02 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 07:48:10 | Stevie-O | isnt it like 6am there? |
| 07:48:21 | Stevie-O | or hell, i bet its nearly 8am |
| 07:48:58 | Stevie-O | seeing as how it's nearly 2am here |
| 07:49:03 | Stevie-O | bedtime phor me |
| 07:50:57 | earHurts | Jorg? |
| 07:52:12 | earHurts | IDC, are you the rombox writer? |
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| 08:06:15 | thu | earHurts: ? |
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| 08:30:57 | [IDC]Dragon | Sorry for not reading, was away. Gotta go now. |
| 08:33:51 | earHurts | thu? |
| 08:34:10 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
| 08:34:18 | earHurts | ? |
| 08:34:26 | [IDC]Dragon | echo |
| 08:34:34 | earHurts | just wanted to congratulate you on rombox |
| 08:35:00 | [IDC]Dragon | Just made a new release, hope the ATA is fixed now, thanks th Björn. |
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| 08:35:17 | earHurts | I'm waiting for fm |
| 08:35:32 | earHurts | looks like it's a power issue |
| 08:35:40 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, next week I'll get access to an FM from a friend. |
| 08:35:53 | [IDC]Dragon | Dont't try FM now! |
| 08:36:04 | earHurts | yeah, I know |
| 08:36:23 | [IDC]Dragon | The bootloader isn't made for it, the firmware contains a recorder image. |
| 08:36:52 | earHurts | but according to someone on the list it acts like recorder.ajzs did until changes were made for the different power |
| 08:37:20 | earHurts | I thought the bootloader /copied/ the existing rom image? |
| 08:37:45 | [IDC]Dragon | Yes, and it checks F1. That code has to be different. |
| 08:38:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Not the existing image, the one in my big file. |
| 08:38:17 | earHurts | ah, I didn't realize the button hardware differed too |
| 08:38:27 | [IDC]Dragon | So this has to be authored for FM. |
| 08:38:33 | earHurts | oh, wait, yes I recall the button thing |
| 08:38:48 | earHurts | first time I loaded a recorder ajz. scary |
| 08:39:18 | earHurts | I''m very anxious to try the rombox |
| 08:39:42 | [IDC]Dragon | REally gotta go now. |
| 08:39:44 | earHurts | it amazes me you wrote it without having a flashable rom in your archos |
| 08:39:47 | earHurts | bye |
| 08:39:52 | earHurts | thanks |
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| 12:42:43 | SillyFly | anybody available? |
| 12:46:25 | SillyFly | guess not..... |
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| 13:54:36 | Lynx0 | hi... |
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| 13:56:57 | choichoi | hello |
| 13:57:06 | choichoi | y a des francais ici ? |
| 13:58:38 | choichoi | can i change the battrey on my studio10 |
| 13:58:47 | choichoi | to have a long power |
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| 14:01:03 | choichoi | ? |
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| 14:03:12 | langhaarrocker | argh! A wormlet patch! :) |
| 14:03:46 | Lynx0 | choichoi: yes, you can |
| 14:04:01 | choichoi | with 1800mah |
| 14:04:02 | choichoi | ? |
| 14:04:29 | Lynx0 | choichoi: i think so, even 2000mhA |
| 14:04:35 | choichoi | oky |
| 14:04:58 | choichoi | what is your archos ? |
| 14:05:11 | choichoi | thee model |
| 14:05:18 | Lynx0 | recorder 20 |
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| 14:05:56 | choichoi | do you speak french ? |
| 14:06:05 | choichoi | because i am |
| 14:06:09 | Lynx0 | choichoi: look in your manual for description of how to replace batteries |
| 14:06:10 | choichoi | french |
| 14:06:11 | Lynx0 | non |
| 14:06:27 | choichoi | a oui |
| 14:06:45 | choichoi | ouai je sais comment on le demonte |
| 14:06:54 | choichoi | c pas tre difficile !!! |
| 14:07:20 | choichoi | i know the manuel |
| 14:07:33 | choichoi | tchao |
| 14:07:36 | choichoi | bye |
| 14:07:42 | Lynx0 | au revoir |
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| 15:53:20 | choichoi | how do you change the memory cach |
| 15:53:22 | choichoi | ? |
| 15:53:30 | Lynx0 | what do you mean? |
| 15:53:32 | choichoi | is it dificult ? |
| 15:53:55 | choichoi | of your juke box |
| 15:53:58 | Lynx0 | memory cach?? |
| 15:54:03 | choichoi | 2mb a 8 mb |
| 15:54:04 | choichoi | ? |
| 15:54:11 | choichoi | i am french |
| 15:54:28 | Lynx0 | ah, i think it's difficult. have you seen pictures? |
| 15:54:47 | choichoi | yes |
| 15:54:49 | choichoi | :) |
| 15:55:13 | choichoi | but the man change the memory chip ? |
| 15:55:31 | choichoi | or is it the same ? |
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| 15:56:48 | Lynx0 | i don't know |
| 15:57:43 | choichoi | hum |
| 15:58:05 | choichoi | and the sound mod with the resistance ? |
| 15:58:34 | Lynx0 | haven't heard about that one |
| 15:58:44 | Lynx0 | what does it do? |
| 15:59:08 | choichoi | il debloque l ampli non ? |
| 15:59:26 | choichoi | the volume is higher |
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| 16:01:13 | Lynx0 | ok |
| 16:01:43 | choichoi | I see that on www.rockbox...... |
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| 17:27:05 | Neo | hows rombox comming |
| 17:32:10 | Neo | ? |
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| 20:36:30 | Neo | hows rombox commin |
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| 20:37:13 | Neo | hey |
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| 20:37:25 | Neo | anyone here working on rombox? |
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| 20:38:09 | Neo | ? |
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| 20:39:34 | Neo | anyone here working on rombox? |
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| 20:41:07 | Neo | hi |
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| 20:43:00 | REBELinBLUE | hey |
| 20:45:09 | Neo | u workin on rombox or know how its goin? |
| 20:45:29 | REBELinBLUE | rombox? |
| 20:45:47 | Neo | yeh |
| 20:45:51 | Neo | the next rockbox |
| 20:45:53 | Neo | its a rom |
| 20:45:58 | REBELinBLUE | Oh :-o |
| 20:46:01 | Neo | flashes the rom to put the os in |
| 20:46:06 | REBELinBLUE | ah right |
| 20:46:15 | REBELinBLUE | sounds dangerous |
| 20:46:23 | Neo | lol |
| 20:46:25 | Neo | its not |
| 20:46:27 | Neo | i odnt think |
| 20:46:30 | REBELinBLUE | does anyone know how easy it would be to modify the code so that playlists are shown first |
| 20:46:43 | Neo | playlists the m3u? |
| 20:46:58 | REBELinBLUE | Well if the unit loses power/crashes etc whilst flashing the ROM you will have a blank ROM |
| 20:47:09 | Neo | yeh |
| 20:47:16 | Neo | i guess thats a chance ull have to take |
| 20:47:18 | Neo | \:) |
| 20:47:19 | REBELinBLUE | Yes M3U files, as in so they show before MP3 files but after directories |
| 20:47:39 | MT | if your motherboard loses power during a flash, you also have a blank rom |
| 20:47:40 | Neo | do u want directories m3u then mp3 |
| 20:47:48 | REBELinBLUE | yeah |
| 20:47:48 | Neo | yeh |
| 20:47:52 | Neo | hmmm |
| 20:47:58 | Neo | im not sure how u can do that |
| 20:48:09 | MT | the safety net with rockbox flash is that its running on batteries |
| 20:48:10 | REBELinBLUE | currently the directories are shown first then MP3 and M3U are just mixed in together |
| 20:48:17 | MT | so unless you try to flash with zero charge |
| 20:48:23 | Neo | it does the files that u use more first then the other ones |
| 20:48:29 | MT | no |
| 20:48:30 | Neo | try to sort them how u want on ur pc |
| 20:48:32 | Neo | or mac |
| 20:48:39 | MT | it does them in alphanumeric order |
| 20:48:46 | REBELinBLUE | yeh exactly |
| 20:48:56 | MT | but directories appear first in the structure |
| 20:49:01 | MT | let me look at the code |
| 20:49:04 | Neo | MT, u workin on rombox? |
| 20:49:07 | REBELinBLUE | I'll take a look at the rockbox source and try it, just wondered if anyone else had done it |
| 20:49:15 | MT | no, but im aware of the principles |
| 20:49:25 | Neo | whens it comming out |
| 20:49:35 | REBELinBLUE | Yeh Folders before Files is a logical setup. I did that in my web file manager :D |
| 20:50:00 | MT | o~REBELinBLUE: if i get bored/distracted the file you should be looking at is apps/tree.c |
| 20:50:30 | MT | oh sure |
| 20:50:37 | MT | it shouldnt be too hard |
| 20:50:44 | MT | what model do you have? |
| 20:50:50 | MT | i shall try and do it now |
| 20:50:53 | REBELinBLUE | FM Recorder |
| 20:51:13 | REBELinBLUE | the reason I ask is because I have created a series of play lists |
| 20:51:20 | MT | i have a couple of patches applied to my source tree .. |
| 20:51:39 | MT | so i can either do you a patch for you to use to compile your own |
| 20:51:45 | REBELinBLUE | one in each album directory called "Play entire album" which basically plays the album in the correct order, but of course because it starts with P its half way down the list |
| 20:51:57 | MT | or use my firmware |
| 20:52:00 | MT | aha |
| 20:52:39 | REBELinBLUE | If you wouldn't mind giving me a patch I would be very greatful |
| 20:52:46 | MT | np |
| 20:53:20 | MT | if you ask me again in like 1hr |
| 20:53:25 | MT | i should ahve it done |
| 20:53:33 | REBELinBLUE | Spent a few hours sorting out my Archos today, transferring everything to it again, creating playlists etc cause I had to get a replacement yesterday |
| 20:53:39 | MT | im packing to go on holiday tomorrow as well you see :) |
| 20:53:48 | REBELinBLUE | ah right :D |
| 20:53:59 | MT | yeah, i know the feeling i spent virtually the entire weekend renaming, organising and tagging mp3s |
| 20:54:03 | MT | 17gb |
| 20:54:31 | MT | now everything is arranged by artist name and album, and has correct tags and everything has the same structure :) |
| 20:54:47 | REBELinBLUE | ouch! 17GB |
| 20:56:35 | MT | heh |
| 20:56:40 | MT | a subset of my mp3s :) |
| 20:56:56 | MT | 94 gb |
| 20:57:49 | REBELinBLUE | :-O |
| 20:58:25 | REBELinBLUE | Do you just rip every song you ever hear ;) |
| 20:58:48 | MT | i have a lot of cds :/ |
| 20:58:59 | MT | about 900 |
| 20:59:07 | REBELinBLUE | :-o |
| 20:59:14 | REBELinBLUE | excuse me whilst I pass out |
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| 21:20:04 | REBELinBLUE | am I doing something wrong cause I haven't been able to compile since plugin support was added |
| 21:20:25 | REBELinBLUE | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/rockbox/apps/plugins' |
| 21:20:25 | REBELinBLUE | make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 |
| 21:20:25 | REBELinBLUE | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockbox/apps' |
| 21:20:25 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK REBELinBLUE |
| 21:20:25 | REBELinBLUE | make: *** [apps] Error 2 |
| 21:22:40 | Neo | ha |
| 21:22:49 | Neo | what firmware u use to play per cd |
| 21:22:53 | Neo | or album |
| 21:23:01 | REBELinBLUE | ? |
| 21:23:13 | Neo | nvm |
| 21:23:26 | REBELinBLUE | I just downloaded the latest daily build but can't compile :( |
| 21:24:26 | Neo | why? |
| 21:25:05 | Neo | wats the prob? |
| 21:25:36 | REBELinBLUE | http://ipfm.dyndns.org/error.txt |
| 21:25:40 | REBELinBLUE | thats what I get |
| 21:25:59 | Neo | u have an fm recorder? |
| 21:26:04 | REBELinBLUE | yep |
| 21:26:19 | Neo | i have recorder |
| 21:26:27 | Neo | i have the latest daily build |
| 21:26:38 | Neo | thats werid though |
| 21:26:38 | MT | REBELinBLUE: its not the prettiest, but it works |
| 21:26:50 | Neo | whats not the prettiest |
| 21:26:51 | REBELinBLUE | have I missed something out, have the build instructions changed |
| 21:27:09 | Neo | byew |
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| 21:27:25 | MT | what it does |
| 21:27:31 | MT | is it sorts by filetype |
| 21:27:40 | REBELinBLUE | K |
| 21:30:47 | Stevie[FP] | blah |
| 21:30:54 | Stevie[FP] | i need Z or Linus or somebody |
| 21:30:56 | Stevie[FP] | =/ |
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| 21:34:53 | Stevie[FP] | ah |
| 21:34:54 | Stevie[FP] | [iDC] |
| 21:35:01 | Stevie[FP] | you can ignore that mail I sent you, I found the problem |
| 21:35:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I just sent you email. |
| 21:35:22 | [IDC]Dragon | What was it? |
| 21:35:31 | Stevie[FP] | I had an instruction implemented wrong |
| 21:35:44 | Stevie[FP] | one that the Archos fw obviously doesn't use to its full potential |
| 21:36:07 | Stevie[FP] | I also was missing the implementation for 3 instructions, one of which is used by Rombox startup, zero of which are used by Archos startup |
| 21:36:08 | Stevie[FP] | :D |
| 21:36:13 | [IDC]Dragon | Compiles usually don't leave the beaten path. |
| 21:36:19 | [IDC]Dragon | Compilers |
| 21:36:56 | [IDC]Dragon | What exotic intructions are there? |
| 21:37:16 | REBELinBLUE | has anyone heard of anyone else who hasn't been able to compile from source since plugins were added? |
| 21:37:22 | REBELinBLUE | am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:37:24 | Stevie[FP] | uhm |
| 21:37:28 | Stevie[FP] | mov #imm:8, rn |
| 21:37:42 | [IDC]Dragon | where is that? |
| 21:38:19 | Stevie[FP] | loads a constant value into Rn (the value is the lower 8 bits of the instruction code) |
| 21:38:41 | Stevie[FP] | Archos actually used it, it just didn't use it to its full potential |
| 21:38:51 | Stevie[FP] | i failed to realize that the value is supposed to be sign-extended |
| 21:38:58 | Stevie[FP] | so when gcc did |
| 21:39:03 | Stevie[FP] | mov #0xFC, r5 |
| 21:39:18 | Stevie[FP] | and used r5 (which should be 0xFFFFFFFC after that instruction) as a bitmask |
| 21:39:34 | [IDC]Dragon | Yes, I found that confusing in the disassemblies, too. |
| 21:39:35 | Stevie[FP] | i kinda lost the upper 24 bits |
| 21:39:42 | REBELinBLUE | Oh I'm a bloody idiot. I haven't reinstalled Perl thats why I can't compile! |
| 21:39:49 | Stevie[FP] | one of the instructions I didn't implement was |
| 21:39:53 | Stevie[FP] | lds @rm+, PR |
| 21:39:59 | [IDC]Dragon | I'ts quite often used for decrementing. |
| 21:40:04 | Stevie[FP] | which is used in thread switches |
| 21:40:13 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: yah, add #0xff, r1 |
| 21:40:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I was using a Lauterbach emulator, it also had problems with it. |
| 21:40:32 | Stevie[FP] | I believe the archos fw doesn't use threads, at least not to the extent we do |
| 21:41:04 | [IDC]Dragon | I had to patch a certain piece of code to fix that. |
| 21:41:15 | Stevie[FP] | heh |
| 21:41:18 | Stevie[FP] | sounds like fun =/ |
| 21:41:44 | [IDC]Dragon | Patching the SH code, with something equivalent, I mean. |
| 21:41:51 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 21:41:58 | Stevie[FP] | i thought you meant you patched the emulator |
| 21:42:03 | Stevie[FP] | which reminds me |
| 21:42:09 | Stevie[FP] | GCC is producing some VERY strange code |
| 21:42:27 | [IDC]Dragon | But much better than the one Archos was using. |
| 21:42:28 | Stevie[FP] | in sleep() |
| 21:42:41 | Stevie[FP] | I dunno, this one's fscked up |
| 21:42:46 | Stevie[FP] | in sleep() |
| 21:42:59 | Stevie[FP] | after executing the SLEEP instruction |
| 21:43:01 | Stevie[FP] | it does this: |
| 21:43:11 | Stevie[FP] | if (++next >= num_threads) |
| 21:43:12 | Stevie[FP] | next = 0; |
| 21:43:59 | Stevie[FP] | the assembly used to implement this goes like this: |
| 21:44:21 | Stevie[FP] | r7 = &next |
| 21:44:28 | Stevie[FP] | r1 = &num_threads |
| 21:44:40 | Stevie[FP] | r2 = next [r2 = *r7] |
| 21:44:56 | Stevie[FP] | r1 = num_threads [r1 = *r1] |
| 21:45:14 | Stevie[FP] | r3 = next+1 [r2+1] |
| 21:45:38 | Stevie[FP] | cmp/hi r3, r1 [next+1 >= num_threads?] |
| 21:45:57 | Stevie[FP] | at this point, if next+1 >= num_threads, T=1; otherwise T=0 |
| 21:46:08 | Stevie[FP] | this is where things get strange |
| 21:46:26 | Stevie[FP] | movt r1 [r1=T] |
| 21:46:51 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm too tired to follow this, if you don't mind. |
| 21:47:00 | Stevie[FP] | meh, ok |
| 21:47:10 | Stevie[FP] | it just generates some VERY bizarre code |
| 21:47:36 | [IDC]Dragon | As long as it works... |
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| 21:48:24 | [IDC]Dragon | Excuse me for a while |
| 21:48:29 | Stevie[FP] | mkay |
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| 22:08:00 | Stevie[FP] | anyone here? |
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| 22:08:27 | * | Stevie[FP] throws stuff at everyone |
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| 22:09:02 | Stevie[FP] | mt! |
| 22:09:09 | Stevie[FP] | do you have a Recorder? |
| 22:09:14 | MT | fm sorry :/ |
| 22:09:17 | Stevie[FP] | damn |
| 22:14:26 | Guest57 | hi all |
| 22:14:48 | Guest57 | is there some news about the flashable firmware for the FM Jukebox |
| 22:16:04 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
| 22:16:09 | Stevie[FP] | the news is you can't do it yet |
| 22:16:17 | Guest57 | ok |
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| 22:17:09 | Zagor | hi guys |
| 22:17:40 | Guest57 | it seems that the "crazy" people who try it report the same effect that did appears with the first FM firmware : the shutdown problem cause of the diffence in the voltage level .. so I think it will be resolve .... :) |
| 22:17:58 | Guest57 | isnt it ? |
| 22:18:02 | Stevie[FP] | sup Z |
| 22:19:15 | Guest57 | see u later . |
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| 22:22:53 | Zagor | i'm pondering if we should rolo at all after flash start. i'm don't think we should. |
| 22:23:53 | Stevie[FP] | I'm in favor of it... |
| 22:24:02 | _aLF | and as a option ? |
| 22:24:17 | Stevie[FP] | mostly cuz I figure the best plan of attack is to have a simple boot-loader |
| 22:24:44 | Stevie[FP] | a known-working-version |
| 22:25:10 | Stevie[FP] | we have to spin the damn drive up anyway |
| 22:25:25 | Stevie[FP] | Hell, we even have to grab the contents of the root dir anyway |
| 22:25:35 | Stevie[FP] | we should be able to check for an ajz file for free |
| 22:25:46 | Zagor | my thinking is this: when you run flash, you most likely flash the version you want. thus rolo:ing is pointless and you tend to remove ajbrec.ajz to avoid it. but then you are out of luck if the flash version bugs, and you F1-boot into archos. no ajbrec.ajz means no rockbox and no chance to burn a new image without connecting to a pc. |
| 22:26:29 | Stevie[FP] | now |
| 22:26:38 | Stevie[FP] | right |
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| 22:27:03 | Stevie[FP] | I would recommend that the flash plugin auto-rename any /ajbrec.ajz |
| 22:27:37 | Zagor | that still leaves us in the cold (as in archos firmware) on f1-boot |
| 22:27:43 | Stevie[FP] | to like ajbold-071003162600.ajz |
| 22:27:52 | Stevie[FP] | ooh |
| 22:27:58 | Stevie[FP] | how about this? |
| 22:28:12 | Stevie[FP] | put some sort of unique signature in the file |
| 22:28:21 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Zagor, yes, I'm close to take that auto-startup out again. |
| 22:28:24 | Stevie[FP] | like, say, the current date/time in some form when the image is built |
| 22:29:02 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: but my point is we only want to rolo-on-boot if we boot the archos firmware, and that firmware only looks for ajbrec.ajz |
| 22:29:21 | [IDC]Dragon | takes an extra second because it has to read the root dir or so |
| 22:29:23 | Zagor | dragon: ok. now you know I agree with it :-) |
| 22:29:59 | Stevie[FP] | I suppose it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect the atypical user to manually ROLO the ajz file |
| 22:30:12 | Zagor | precisely |
| 22:30:13 | [IDC]Dragon | Renaming to ajbrec.ajz_ resolves that both would rolo. |
| 22:30:15 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: we have to read the root dir anyway, for the directory tree |
| 22:30:32 | [IDC]Dragon | Even when resuming straight away? |
| 22:30:42 | Stevie[FP] | I thought so |
| 22:30:53 | Stevie[FP] | hell |
| 22:30:57 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't, why is is quicker without? |
| 22:31:01 | Stevie[FP] | yes we do |
| 22:31:13 | Stevie[FP] | because we need to scan the root dir for the damn playlist file |
| 22:31:17 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor, please be our judge... |
| 22:31:47 | Zagor | we resume before loading root |
| 22:31:54 | [IDC]Dragon | Aha! |
| 22:32:01 | Zagor | the resume info is stored in the config block |
| 22:32:03 | Stevie[FP] | but don't we need to scan the root dir for the playlist file? |
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| 22:32:11 | Neo | hey all |
| 22:32:25 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: yes, to load the playlist file |
| 22:32:34 | Stevie[FP] | or even to find the mp3 we wish to play |
| 22:32:42 | Neo | hows that rombox commin |
| 22:32:46 | Zagor | but resuming still means one less dir scan |
| 22:33:07 | Neo | stil workin on it? |
| 22:33:16 | [IDC]Dragon | I think it doesn't store the filename and position, just a disk sector # or so. |
| 22:33:17 | Zagor | however the root dir scan is very fast. most of the rolo time is descrambling |
| 22:33:34 | Zagor | dragon: no actually it's filename and position |
| 22:33:40 | [IDC]Dragon | No, I menat just the check for a non-present file. |
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| 22:34:01 | [IDC]Dragon | Maybe my root is too large, with hundreds of directories. |
| 22:34:27 | Zagor | yes, that will take some time. my root is ~30 entries |
| 22:34:29 | Stevie[FP] | which function scans a dir for a filename? |
| 22:34:37 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: open() |
| 22:35:00 | Stevie[FP] | wheres that defined? |
| 22:35:08 | Zagor | firmware/common/file.c |
| 22:35:33 | Stevie[FP] | ah |
| 22:35:40 | Stevie[FP] | so actually opendir does... |
| 22:35:44 | Stevie[FP] | or readdir |
| 22:36:16 | Zagor | well, readdir returns one entry per call. open is the one that looks for a particular entry. |
| 22:36:25 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:36:27 | Stevie[FP] | fat_getnext |
| 22:36:35 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:36:43 | Stevie[FP] | actually scans for filenames... |
| 22:36:50 | * | Stevie[FP] thinks of a more optimized version |
| 22:37:01 | Stevie[FP] | we could scan faster with a specialized fat_search function |
| 22:37:14 | Zagor | not without caching a lot |
| 22:37:25 | Stevie[FP] | no, this is what i'm thinking of |
| 22:37:53 | Stevie[FP] | err, i can't find fat_getnext |
| 22:38:07 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 22:38:10 | Stevie[FP] | fat.c is under drivers |
| 22:38:13 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:38:46 | Stevie[FP] | what we do is |
| 22:38:50 | Stevie[FP] | read the whole damn dir |
| 22:38:57 | Stevie[FP] | entry by entry |
| 22:39:03 | Stevie[FP] | looking for the name we desire, correct? |
| 22:39:34 | Stevie[FP] | fat_getnext needs to do this: |
| 22:39:34 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:39:37 | Stevie[FP] | (1) fetch a directory entry |
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| 22:40:10 | Stevie[FP] | (2) if this is an LFN entry, prepend this data to our LFN buffer |
| 22:40:26 | Stevie[FP] | (3) if this is not the last LFN entry, goto step 1 |
| 22:41:18 | Zagor | this requires a huge cache. dirs can be Really Long |
| 22:41:31 | Stevie[FP] | i see the sectorcache thing |
| 22:41:38 | Stevie[FP] | that's what you're talkign about, right? |
| 22:42:03 | Zagor | no, i mean reading "the whole damn dir" |
| 22:42:14 | Zagor | maybe i'm misunderstanding? |
| 22:42:18 | Stevie[FP] | but we already do that |
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| 22:43:20 | Stevie[FP] | file.c line 120, for the 7/09 daily |
| 22:43:26 | Zagor | no, we only cache max three sectors |
| 22:43:50 | Zagor | ok, apparently we are talking about different things :) |
| 22:44:09 | Stevie[FP] | ok, back to where I was |
| 22:44:24 | _aLF | when ajbrec.ajz is created ? only in usb mode ? |
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| 22:44:50 | Stevie[FP] | (4) if it is the last LFN entry, we fetch the next FAT direntry for the file attributes and stuff |
| 22:44:54 | Zagor | _aLF: it's never created, you copy it to the disk |
| 22:45:14 | _aLF | why not store in cmos after usb mode, if .ajz is here |
| 22:45:22 | Stevie[FP] | cmos? |
| 22:45:26 | Stevie[FP] | wtf? |
| 22:45:40 | _aLF | sorry, where config block is store |
| 22:45:40 | Stevie[FP] | when did we become a motherboard? |
| 22:45:44 | Zagor | _aLF: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 22:45:58 | Stevie[FP] | anyway |
| 22:46:00 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: well, the rtc ram is sort of cmos ram... |
| 22:46:05 | Stevie[FP] | (5) we stuff all the relevant data into a fat_direntry and return it to the user |
| 22:46:08 | _aLF | yes rtc ram |
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| 22:46:29 | Stevie[FP] | I believe that's how fat_getnext operates |
| 22:46:41 | SillyFly | hi. I'm having trouble compiling gcc with target=sh-elf on linux. anybody care to try and help me? |
| 22:46:41 | Zagor | yes it is |
| 22:46:44 | Stevie[FP] | okay |
| 22:46:46 | _aLF | -> when we boot, rombox check if .ajz is here with rtc |
| 22:46:50 | Stevie[FP] | that's perfectly fine for browsing dirs |
| 22:46:51 | _aLF | not with fat |
| 22:46:54 | _aLF | access |
| 22:46:57 | Stevie[FP] | cuz we need to get all the filenames anyway |
| 22:46:58 | Zagor | SillyFly: are you using the versions we suggest? |
| 22:47:12 | Stevie[FP] | but for things like the auto-ROLO |
| 22:47:25 | Stevie[FP] | and when we're playing from a playlist |
| 22:47:28 | Zagor | _aLF: as I said, checking the disk is not the slow part. actually roloing the file is. |
| 22:47:39 | Stevie[FP] | we don't care about any files other than the one we want |
| 22:47:56 | _aLF | Zagor> ok |
| 22:47:56 | SillyFly | Zagor: no. newer versions. I suspect I'm missing some header files, but dunno which.... |
| 22:48:05 | Stevie[FP] | in fact, we don't even care about the filename of the file we want, we just want to get the data for that file |
| 22:48:16 | * | Stevie[FP] ponders |
| 22:48:49 | [IDC]Dragon | Thats's how resume works, stores the disk position, right? |
| 22:48:49 | Zagor | SillyFly: there are problems with binutils in the newer versions. i recommend simply using the specified versions unless you feel like debugging the tools. |
| 22:49:12 | Zagor | dragon: no, resume stores the filename and byte offset |
| 22:49:15 | SillyFly | oh. ok. 10x. |
| 22:49:40 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: it couldn't work −− what if the disk was defragged in usb mode? |
| 22:49:49 | [IDC]Dragon | Filename? Isn't that a bit wasteful? what size can it have? |
| 22:49:58 | Zagor | 260 bytes |
| 22:50:08 | [IDC]Dragon | In rtc ram? |
| 22:50:09 | Zagor | it's large, but it's The Right Way |
| 22:50:17 | Zagor | no, config block on disk |
| 22:50:24 | [IDC]Dragon | Ah. |
| 22:50:57 | [IDC]Dragon | Then we ave no space problenm. |
| 22:50:58 | Stevie[FP] | 13 |
| 22:51:48 | Zagor | 17 |
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| 22:59:08 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: thanks again for fixing ata::init(), that really did it for the people. |
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| 23:00:45 | [IDC]Dragon | (not listening to take credits) |
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| 23:06:18 | Zagor | dragon: the pleasure was all mine. (it did it for me too... :-) |
| 23:06:22 | Stevie[FP] | what's this dir->entrycount thing? |
| 23:06:51 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: are you using Rockbox in flash now? |
| 23:07:06 | Stevie[FP] | i thought it was a cached copy of the # of files in the dir, but it gets reset to 0 when we get the end-of-dir |
| 23:07:34 | Zagor | dragon: yes |
| 23:07:48 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: it's how many entries this file is using |
| 23:07:56 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 23:07:59 | Stevie[FP] | who uses that? |
| 23:08:13 | Stevie[FP] | well |
| 23:08:15 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: Then it's not exactly a reference platform for Rockbox development any more. |
| 23:08:19 | Stevie[FP] | fat_open references it |
| 23:08:23 | Stevie[FP] | but I don't understand what it uses it for |
| 23:08:54 | | Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) |
| 23:08:58 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: write_long_name uses it |
| 23:09:08 | tpelliott | I'm successfully running Rombox also. I wouldn't mind a version that dosen't check for firmware on hard drive. |
| 23:09:30 | Zagor | dragon: true, but that's where the beauty of F1-ON comes in |
| 23:09:33 | Stevie[FP] | err |
| 23:09:38 | Stevie[FP] | where? |
| 23:09:44 | [IDC]Dragon | tp: I will do that. |
| 23:10:11 | Stevie[FP] | oic |
| 23:10:16 | [IDC]Dragon | YOu can rename it for the time being, so that only Archos finds it. |
| 23:10:46 | Stevie[FP] | or is that the 'numentries' thing? |
| 23:11:02 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: a simpler example is fat_remove() |
| 23:11:15 | Stevie[FP] | oh i see |
| 23:11:23 | | Quit cst ("Demo-Zeitüberschreitung") |
| 23:11:42 | [IDC]Dragon | tpelliott, you read that? |
| 23:12:09 | tpelliott | When will Rombox make a splash on the Rockbox home page? It's one of the coolest features yet. |
| 23:12:15 | | Join cst [0] (~jens@pD9E7F2B9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:12:30 | Stevie[FP] | does this include the shortname? so a filename with 1 LFN entry (usually happens when changing the case of a name) has an entrycount of 2? |
| 23:13:04 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: yes, if my memory is correct |
| 23:13:42 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: how about F3-On starting gdb right away? |
| 23:13:59 | [IDC]Dragon | (Or F2-On) |
| 23:14:32 | Zagor | dragon: nah, too few people have the serial mod to make it worthwile |
| 23:15:10 | Zagor | we'd probably just get bug reports from confused users trying it :) |
| 23:15:43 | [IDC]Dragon | My autoring tool is prepared for n images, but not yet the bootloader and the update plugin. |
| 23:16:52 | [IDC]Dragon | When I get my 512k flash chip, I wouldn't know how to fill it. |
| 23:17:07 | [IDC]Dragon | (Compression did work too well) |
| 23:17:32 | Zagor | hehe |
| 23:17:43 | Zagor | we can have a boot animation :) |
| 23:18:03 | [IDC]Dragon | Yeah, while waiting for the disk. |
| 23:18:26 | [IDC]Dragon | And we could play a jingle. |
| 23:18:30 | Zagor | haha |
| 23:18:42 | Zagor | that would probably get boring fast... |
| 23:18:50 | [IDC]Dragon | How about resuming from flash? |
| 23:19:11 | Zagor | storing resume info in flash? |
| 23:19:25 | [IDC]Dragon | No, storing the MPEG buffer. |
| 23:19:37 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 23:19:42 | Zagor | ouch |
| 23:20:25 | [IDC]Dragon | On another subjject: I'd like to check in my sources. |
| 23:20:47 | [IDC]Dragon | How do you like that organized? |
| 23:20:52 | REBELinBLUE | anyone know why I can't compile, ever since plugin support was added I get this output http://ipfm.dyndns.org/error.txtt |
| 23:20:58 | REBELinBLUE | *http://ipfm.dyndns.org/error.txt |
| 23:21:32 | Zagor | dragon: could you send me a tarball so I can have a look? |
| 23:22:03 | [IDC]Dragon | For me Windows user, this would be a zip file. |
| 23:22:05 | Zagor | REBELinBLUE: we need more from the build log |
| 23:22:12 | Zagor | dragon: sure, no problem |
| 23:22:36 | REBELinBLUE | OK Lets me try again and I'll post the whole thing |
| 23:24:06 | [IDC]Dragon | Generally peaking, I have the 2 plugins, the bootloader, an authoring tool, my "minimon" (getting injected for UART boot), RockFlash being the PC application that talkes to it (and so can flash, dump. upload, execute, etc.) |
| 23:26:27 | [IDC]Dragon | Probably you don't want all that in the standard source tarball. |
| 23:27:13 | MT | windows start sound :) |
| 23:27:52 | [IDC]Dragon | For the plugins, I don't know if both should be in the standard set, and then there's the question on where/how to keep that firmware image being used by the first. |
| 23:27:54 | Zagor | dragon: actually, i probably do. i just need to come up with a good way to integrate it |
| 23:28:20 | [IDC]Dragon | You do what? |
| 23:28:31 | Zagor | want it all in the standard source |
| 23:28:54 | [IDC]Dragon | UART boot is rather exotic, like gdb. |
| 23:29:07 | [IDC]Dragon | Authoring probably too. |
| 23:29:22 | Zagor | yes, but gdb is in the standard source |
| 23:29:34 | [IDC]Dragon | Ah, i see. |
| 23:29:42 | Zagor | it's much simpler, maintenance wise, to have it all in one package |
| 23:29:57 | [IDC]Dragon | Dangerous, powerful toys. |
| 23:30:38 | Zagor | yes. we'll simply write big notes saying "don't play with things you don't understand" |
| 23:31:06 | [IDC]Dragon | As long as there's people out there who force recorder images into an FM... |
| 23:31:18 | REBELinBLUE | http://ipfm.dyndns.org/error.txt there you go, the complete log |
| 23:31:42 | [IDC]Dragon | I was pretty upset about that. |
| 23:31:57 | Zagor | dragon: yes, but we will never be able to stop those kinds of people. |
| 23:32:20 | [IDC]Dragon | Is there a way to tell recorder/FM apart at runtime? |
| 23:32:34 | [IDC]Dragon | (Have asked that before, I know) |
| 23:32:43 | Zagor | what we can do is provide enough warnings to avoid mistakes. people who actually want to ruin their box cannot be prevented. |
| 23:32:56 | Zagor | um, we could easily add that |
| 23:33:02 | [IDC]Dragon | How? |
| 23:33:20 | Stevie[FP] | err |
| 23:33:23 | * | Stevie[FP] doesn't get this |
| 23:33:28 | Zagor | well the binary is compiled for the specific target, so we could just do it with #ifdefs |
| 23:33:36 | Stevie[FP] | i have the root directory cluster in the fat 'superblock' |
| 23:33:42 | REBELinBLUE | anyone? it seems to build the firmware fine, its then when it gets on to the plugins |
| 23:33:45 | Stevie[FP] | but |
| 23:34:02 | Stevie[FP] | after the first cluster |
| 23:34:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't want 3 targets for the bootloader, maintanance-wise as you say |
| 23:34:10 | Stevie[FP] | how do I know what the next cluster is? |
| 23:34:34 | Stevie[FP] | the only page i could find on fat32 only talks about the directory entries |
| 23:34:37 | Stevie[FP] | and other structures |
| 23:34:54 | Zagor | dragon: oh, you want to know in the boot loader |
| 23:35:04 | MT | bah, i disconnected just as dragon answered my question :/ |
| 23:35:16 | Zagor | MT: check the log |
| 23:35:25 | [IDC]Dragon | what question? |
| 23:35:42 | MT | cunning |
| 23:35:56 | Zagor | REBELinBLUE: i can't see what that error is about. everything seems to be going fine. |
| 23:36:13 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
| 23:36:21 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: you want to prevent people from flashing the wrong thing, right? |
| 23:36:24 | Zagor | REBELinBLUE: you do get an ajbrec.ajz and all the .rocks, right? |
| 23:36:30 | REBELinBLUE | :| It doesn't really matter, because as I said the firmware compiles fine, its the plugins which don't |
| 23:36:42 | REBELinBLUE | how many .rock files should there be/ |
| 23:36:55 | [IDC]Dragon | That, and I want the bootloader to know how to check for F1. |
| 23:37:01 | MT | oh, i actually disconnected before i asked the question, you just happened to be talking about the same subject when i reconnected :) |
| 23:37:03 | REBELinBLUE | I have 14, totaling 57.1k |
| 23:37:11 | MT | <MT> dragon: just so i understand, to develop/fix problems with rom flash for fm recorders, i would require serial mod and UART boot yes? |
| 23:37:26 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: just have 3 diff versions |
| 23:37:43 | Zagor | REBELinBLUE: yup, that's all |
| 23:37:51 | tpelliott | I did notice one thing just now. If I turn on my Archos with the USB plugged in, it hangs at "loading". It starts USB fine if I turn it on before plugging in the USB. |
| 23:37:52 | [IDC]Dragon | MT: No, you don't. I maybe will. |
| 23:37:55 | Stevie[FP] | we do it for rockbox, it won't be all that terrible for the bootloader |
| 23:38:19 | REBELinBLUE | weird :| It compiles fine I just get an error :D |
| 23:38:24 | MT | REBELinBLUE: i did your patch, but its crappy, and im not happy with it, if you check mt.staff.impulsed.net/rockbox/">http://mt.staff.impulsed.net/rockbox/ tomorrow, ill hopefully have done a version im happy with by then |
| 23:38:27 | Zagor | REBELinBLUE: yes, very strange |
| 23:38:32 | MT | otherwise i'll upload the crappy one |
| 23:38:35 | REBELinBLUE | ah well as long as the firmware compiles :D |
| 23:38:37 | Zagor | REBELinBLUE: have you tried it? everything works? |
| 23:38:44 | [IDC]Dragon | Stevie: It's just an overkill, and when authoring the firmware file I have to be very careful to pick the right one. |
| 23:38:54 | REBELinBLUE | cool thanks :D I was just about to try and make it myself |
| 23:39:04 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: what do you mean by 'authoring the firmware file'? |
| 23:39:28 | MT | ah, actually |
| 23:39:35 | MT | i think if i change a -1 to 1 |
| 23:39:35 | Zagor | dragon: we need to make a new plugin that creates the initial firmware file from the existing rom |
| 23:39:38 | REBELinBLUE | <Zagor> REBELinBLUE: have you tried it? everything works? −− seems to work fine |
| 23:40:05 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: that was something I didn't understand, why not use the image in ROM |
| 23:40:09 | [IDC]Dragon | Well, I composed that large firmware_rec.bin file from the bootloader and the 2 images. |
| 23:40:16 | Zagor | that's the only way I can think of to avoid voilating archos' copyright |
| 23:40:24 | MT | yes |
| 23:40:27 | MT | thats got it :) |
| 23:40:28 | Stevie[FP] | besides, we know for sure that the image in ROM works with the given HW |
| 23:40:38 | [IDC]Dragon | Stevie: I need to compress it to make room for Rockbox. |
| 23:40:45 | Stevie[FP] | otherwise it wouldn't have passed Archos's stringent QA...err |
| 23:41:04 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: well, we can do that. |
| 23:41:17 | Zagor | sounds like i need to fix that bigmem api... :-) |
| 23:41:26 | Stevie[FP] | hey Zagor... |
| 23:41:27 | [IDC]Dragon | Is it broken? |
| 23:41:47 | Zagor | no, it just doesn't exist yet :) |
| 23:41:51 | Stevie[FP] | lol |
| 23:42:03 | [IDC]Dragon | We don't necessarily need to do all that on the box. |
| 23:42:04 | | Join CS1 [0] (~jirc@adsl-64-160-22-54.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 23:42:09 | Stevie[FP] | while you're at it, I think we oughta throw in a new plugin API routine to determine what we're running on - player, recorder, or fm |
| 23:42:27 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought that's the first check. |
| 23:42:37 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: i though about that too, but... why? |
| 23:42:55 | Stevie[FP] | then the rombox plugin that flashes the board can make sure that the image they're flashing is correct |
| 23:42:58 | [IDC]Dragon | But then I wonder how that guy ran the plugin on an FM. |
| 23:43:01 | Stevie[FP] | aaaaaaaand |
| 23:43:02 | Stevie[FP] | oooh |
| 23:43:04 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: here it comes |
| 23:43:09 | Stevie[FP] | here it comes >:) |
| 23:43:16 | Stevie[FP] | when flashing the bootloader |
| 23:43:17 | Zagor | dragon: good question indeed |
| 23:43:23 | Stevie[FP] | have a special reserved byte |
| 23:43:25 | | Quit cst ("Demo-Zeitüberschreitung") |
| 23:43:38 | hardeep | i thought recorder and fm recorder were considered the same for plugins |
| 23:43:39 | Stevie[FP] | and set that byte value to indicate the firmware type |
| 23:43:51 | hardeep | so recorder plugins would work fine on fm and vice versa |
| 23:43:52 | Stevie[FP] | err hardawre type (fm/recorder) |
| 23:44:13 | Stevie[FP] | then your bootloader doesn't need to detect −− it knows |
| 23:44:14 | Zagor | hardeep: ah, yes they are |
| 23:44:25 | [IDC]Dragon | Stevie: OK, but this requires a correct run in the first place. |
| 23:44:37 | | Quit _aLF ("bye") |
| 23:44:45 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: you mean a correct copy of rockbox (fm or rec)? |
| 23:45:15 | [IDC]Dragon | Yes, or runnig the correct plugin. |
| 23:45:18 | MT | o~REBELinBLUE: mt.staff.impulsed.net/rockbox/rebelinblue.m3u-first.patch.diff">http://mt.staff.impulsed.net/rockbox/rebelinblue.m3u-first.patch.diff |
| 23:45:22 | Stevie[FP] | what do you mean, correct plugin? |
| 23:45:28 | MT | its very ugly, very inefficient, but it does what you wanted |
| 23:45:38 | Stevie[FP] | why do you need multiple plugins? |
| 23:46:13 | REBELinBLUE | ah thanks :D |
| 23:46:16 | [IDC]Dragon | One for each platform. |
| 23:46:29 | Stevie[FP] | I figured that was what you meant by multiple plugins |
| 23:46:32 | Stevie[FP] | but that doesn't answer why |
| 23:46:35 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought they don't ru cross-platform. |
| 23:46:42 | [IDC]Dragon | don't run |
| 23:46:47 | Stevie[FP] | I really don't see any reason why they couldn't |
| 23:46:50 | Stevie[FP] | they all have the same cpu |
| 23:47:04 | [IDC]Dragon | The "mandatory" first call is a check |
| 23:47:18 | Stevie[FP] | hm? |
| 23:47:27 | [IDC]Dragon | But not the the same hardware. |
| 23:47:43 | Stevie[FP] | who makes this first call? [keep in mind: I know almost zilch about the plugin system] |
| 23:47:59 | Stevie[FP] | yes but I don't think Sokaban cares which ADC register your F1 key is on |
| 23:48:11 | [IDC]Dragon | The plugin calls TEST_PLUGIN_API(api); |
| 23:48:26 | Stevie[FP] | looks like a macro |
| 23:48:37 | MT | mm, excuse me for being dense, but surely just stick a is_fm() function into the api |
| 23:48:47 | MT | or define FM when compiling |
| 23:49:12 | Stevie[FP] | MT: the latter would not work for separately compiled .rocks |
| 23:49:22 | [IDC]Dragon | Compiling so won't keep people from running it on another platform. |
| 23:49:55 | Stevie[FP] | huh? |
| 23:50:14 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: I would imagine most plugins to be games |
| 23:50:36 | Stevie[FP] | in which case the HW really is the same on both FM and recorder |
| 23:50:49 | Stevie[FP] | they have the same buttons and the same display |
| 23:51:18 | Stevie[FP] | likewise, they [usually] have the same ROM chip |
| 23:51:30 | tpelliott | Batteries and voltage is different. |
| 23:51:30 | REBELinBLUE | MT thanks it works :D |
| 23:51:37 | [IDC]Dragon | the macro expands to a function which compares API version and model. |
| 23:51:48 | Stevie[FP] | tpelliott: why the hell would a game care about the battery type? |
| 23:52:05 | Stevie[FP] | where did Z go |
| 23:52:13 | Stevie[FP] | this doesn't sound right |
| 23:52:20 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe there will be a radio plugin ;-) |
| 23:52:23 | Zagor | i did it this way because the api for fm and recorder is identical |
| 23:52:24 | tpelliott | True. I thaught you were talking about Rombox. |
| 23:52:33 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: so? |
| 23:52:36 | Zagor | thus I saw no reason to keep them separated |
| 23:52:38 | Stevie[FP] | [IDC]Dragon: who cares? |
| 23:53:14 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor: is it true that a .rocks, once built, can only be run on a certain model (fm or recorder)? |
| 23:53:48 | [IDC]Dragon | Well, at least I use the build config to make a suffix for the hard coded filename. The"_rec" of firmware_rec.bin". |
| 23:55:49 | Stevie[FP] | ok... |
| 23:56:01 | Stevie[FP] | imho, the Right Way To Do It is this: |
| 23:56:16 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: there is no difference btwn fm and rec. only btwn recorders and players. |
| 23:56:28 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor: as IDC points out, FM has a radio |
| 23:56:34 | Zagor | yes, but the api doesn't |
| 23:56:53 | Zagor | and i'm not sure it ever will |
| 23:56:58 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor: here's the idea |
| 23:57:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:57:12 | Stevie[FP] | rombox bootloader needs a way to determine which model it's on |
| 23:57:23 | Stevie[FP] | so it knows which key is ON, and which key is F1 |
| 23:57:27 | Stevie[FP] | (they have different ADCs) |
| 23:57:44 | Stevie[FP] | now, afaik there's no trivial way to detect this |
| 23:57:55 | Stevie[FP] | other than by flashing the Recorder image and seeing if it doesn't boot |
| 23:57:55 | tpelliott | Does the digital; i/o still work the same on the FM? Can it send digital to a reciever's Toslink connection? I've heard conflicting reports. |
| 23:58:40 | Zagor | the proper way, imho, is to tell users "don't flash the wrong image". this works for all hardware makers, i don't see why it can't work for us. |
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