| 00:02:41 | Zagor | well that part doesn't take any time. the delay is waiting for BSY, which previously didn't use the correct address |
| 00:03:13 | Zagor | but i agree we should investigate more and see if there is a workaround |
| 00:03:20 | [IDC]Dragon | It must have taken some time, because you saw the Rockbox logo. |
| 00:04:03 | Zagor | agreed. i wonder what really was happening. |
| 00:04:11 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 00:05:06 | Zagor | btw, i'll check in 8MB plugin support in a few minutes. no PIC yet, maybe later if we figure out how to fix it. |
| 00:05:30 | [IDC]Dragon | Oh, that's great! |
| 00:05:57 | [IDC]Dragon | on the other end, it starts a compatibility problem. |
| 00:06:08 | Zagor | yes, it means another API version bump |
| 00:06:39 | [IDC]Dragon | How about running the plugins at a lower, common address, carving a hole into Rockbox? |
| 00:07:29 | Zagor | it's quite difficult. the linker can't handle working around a carved-out hole, so we'd have to manually try to piece it together. |
| 00:07:40 | [IDC]Dragon | version bump? You want to have two groups of versins for that? |
| 00:08:20 | Zagor | no, i'm just checking the memory size in plugin_test() |
| 00:08:30 | [IDC]Dragon | Ah, good. |
| 00:09:18 | [IDC]Dragon | About the hole: how about after the exception vectors? Then the Rockbox code doesn't need to flow around a hole. |
| 00:09:38 | [IDC]Dragon | (but I need to change my bootloader) |
| 00:10:32 | Zagor | yeah, that could work. i'll need to think about it some more. |
| 00:10:52 | [IDC]Dragon | OK. |
| 00:10:57 | Zagor | i'll commit this fix first. we can change it later if we want to. |
| 00:11:14 | [IDC]Dragon | Another OK. |
| 00:11:46 | [IDC]Dragon | This afternoon I made a flash firmware set for the FM. |
| 00:12:02 | Zagor | do you have an fm to test with now? |
| 00:12:12 | [IDC]Dragon | Need to try it tomorrow, hope to get hold of such a box. |
| 00:12:22 | Zagor | nice |
| 00:12:32 | [IDC]Dragon | A co-worker has one. |
| 00:13:35 | [IDC]Dragon | The Archos FM firmware is quite a bit larger, leaves less room for us. |
| 00:14:08 | [IDC]Dragon | 12 KB in fact, it just went into a new flash sector by a few bytes. |
| 00:14:20 | [IDC]Dragon | But we still have plenty. |
| 00:14:23 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:14:53 | * | Stevie-O yawns |
| 00:14:55 | Stevie-O | good morning |
| 00:15:15 | [IDC]Dragon | Oh yes, it's past midnight. |
| 00:15:24 | Stevie-O | it's only 6pm here |
| 00:15:27 | Stevie-O | and since I just got up |
| 00:15:33 | Stevie-O | it's still morning |
| 00:15:37 | Zagor | :-) |
| 00:15:42 | Stevie-O | how goes it? |
| 00:15:51 | [IDC]Dragon | And you call us old Europe, we're alwas ahead. |
| 00:15:58 | [IDC]Dragon | always |
| 00:16:28 | Stevie-O | yeah, you're like 6 hours in the future |
| 00:16:33 | Zagor | i'm doing a few last cleanups before i go on vacation tomorrow |
| 00:16:35 | Stevie-O | hmmm |
| 00:16:40 | Stevie-O | so tell me, what's the future like? |
| 00:16:44 | Stevie-O | do we have flying cars yet? |
| 00:16:52 | Zagor | :) |
| 00:16:58 | [IDC]Dragon | Oh, that's tomorrow? I understood the week after. |
| 00:17:06 | Stevie-O | wtf are those damn dorky scientists waiting for |
| 00:17:43 | Zagor | yeah, it's tomorrow. i probably expressed myself poorly. |
| 00:18:02 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 00:18:06 | Stevie-O | oh man |
| 00:18:07 | [IDC]Dragon | And you got the nerve to still be Rockboxing? |
| 00:18:34 | [IDC]Dragon | My girlfriend would be upset. |
| 00:18:39 | Stevie-O | i was supposed to write the x86 emulator to run office XP on Rockbox today |
| 00:18:48 | Zagor | hehe |
| 00:19:01 | [IDC]Dragon | still not done? |
| 00:19:04 | Stevie-O | I need to write a defragmenter for Rockbox |
| 00:19:26 | [IDC]Dragon | That would be slow, I guess. |
| 00:19:45 | Stevie-O | only if you think I mean the same thing as what Windoze Defragmenter does |
| 00:20:24 | Stevie-O | When I first got my FM, I just dumped all my mp3s in it as they were |
| 00:20:43 | Stevie-O | so i had about 5 directories and 1100 mp3s in the root |
| 00:21:01 | Stevie-O | (it was a short time before I noticed it was cutting off the end of the list...) |
| 00:21:30 | Stevie-O | when I got Rockbox, I was forced to put everything into directories b/c of the 400 limit |
| 00:21:47 | Stevie-O | so I made dirs [A-H] [I-P] [Q-Z] |
| 00:22:19 | Stevie-O | and moved the mp3s into the right dirs |
| 00:23:04 | Stevie-O | well while testing some new code (which still doesn't work) to speed up open()s |
| 00:23:25 | Stevie-O | I discovered that my root dir is like this: |
| 00:24:21 | Stevie-O | <dir> <dir> <dir> <dir> <over 1000 'free'/deleted entries> <dir> <dir> <dir> ... |
| 00:24:45 | Stevie-O | well over 1000 |
| 00:25:06 | Zagor | ah, how silly :) |
| 00:25:11 | Stevie-O | since it's probably about 4 entries per file, it's probably over 4000 |
| 00:25:19 | Stevie-O | now think about this |
| 00:25:27 | Stevie-O | at 32 bytes per entry |
| 00:25:33 | Stevie-O | that's 128000 bytes |
| 00:25:49 | Stevie-O | at 512 bytes per sector, that's 250 sectors Rockbox has to read through |
| 00:25:57 | Stevie-O | which have NO USEFUL DATA |
| 00:26:07 | Zagor | yup |
| 00:26:10 | Stevie-O | i also found an error in the shortname generation code |
| 00:26:13 | [IDC]Dragon | How about backing up the whole to a PC, erazing the box, putting it back? |
| 00:26:34 | Stevie-O | [IDC]Dragon: yuck |
| 00:27:04 | Stevie-O | plus, files that I created *after* the deletions still aren't covering the beginning |
| 00:27:21 | Zagor | even rockbox-created files? |
| 00:27:32 | Stevie-O | less sure about those |
| 00:27:37 | Stevie-O | rockbox doesn't create much in the root dir |
| 00:27:44 | Stevie-O | only those internal files |
| 00:27:48 | Stevie-O | from the ROM dump |
| 00:27:52 | Zagor | at least i wrote it to use first-fit |
| 00:27:58 | Stevie-O | I think those *are* at the beginning |
| 00:28:28 | Stevie-O | Also, this giant root dir *is* fragmented |
| 00:28:34 | Stevie-O | its clusters are all over the disk |
| 00:29:06 | Stevie-O | so apparently it doesn't defragment the root |
| 00:29:06 | Zagor | yeah, i can imagine |
| 00:29:22 | Stevie-O | I wonder if it does subdirs |
| 00:29:31 | Stevie-O | oh, a question about debug builds |
| 00:29:42 | Stevie-O | i've not actually built one, since I have no serial mod |
| 00:29:53 | Stevie-O | but i think it generates an .elf? |
| 00:30:32 | Zagor | yes, for use with gdb |
| 00:31:05 | Stevie-O | what's the debug format used to store the debug info? |
| 00:31:32 | Zagor | umm, not sure. it's part of the elf file. |
| 00:31:45 | Stevie-O | i think it's DWARF |
| 00:32:37 | * | Stevie-O needs to find a dll to read DWARF |
| 00:38:58 | Stevie-O | is there a homepage for elfutils or what? |
| 00:39:19 | Zagor | no idea |
| 00:39:29 | Zagor | binutils maybe? |
| 00:40:07 | Zagor | objcopy should contain code to read all sorts of elf sections |
| 00:41:00 | Stevie-O | mkay |
| 00:41:54 | Stevie-O | ah, libbfd |
| 00:42:47 | Stevie-O | man, I got so much stuff I need to write |
| 00:43:10 | Zagor | the hacker's dilemma :) |
| 00:44:21 | Stevie-O | (1) i need to finish jbrserbus, a driver to spawn virtual serial ports |
| 00:45:01 | Stevie-O | (2) hmm. I need food, too. |
| 00:45:15 | Stevie-O | 6:44pm, kentucky fried taco hut should still be open |
| 00:45:24 | | Nick Stevie-O is now known as Stevie-fOod (whatsit2u@user-2inilgl.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 00:45:27 | Stevie-fOod | bbiab |
| 00:51:21 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm off for bed. |
| 00:51:33 | Zagor | yeah, me too. long day tomorrow. |
| 00:51:34 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor, have a nice vacation! |
| 00:51:37 | Zagor | thanks |
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| 01:06:08 | | Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") |
| 01:26:01 | | Nick Stevie-fOod is now known as Stevie-O (whatsit2u@user-2inilgl.dialup.mindspring.com) |
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| 01:40:50 | tracktheripper | at last |
| 01:40:55 | tracktheripper | the server died earlier on :( |
| 01:41:18 | Stevie-O | wb? |
| 01:41:42 | tracktheripper | hello stevie-O |
| 01:41:47 | tracktheripper | whats up? |
| 01:42:59 | Stevie-O | not much |
| 01:43:12 | tracktheripper | yeah |
| 01:43:40 | tracktheripper | I read on Amazon that someone described the Ipod as looking like a "Lady's electric razor" |
| 01:44:24 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 01:45:02 | tracktheripper | Meanwhile, the Archos was described by the same person as looking like a "James Bond detonator" |
| 01:50:09 | tracktheripper | :-) |
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| 02:02:13 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (jirc@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com) |
| 02:02:24 | midknight2k3 | hello all |
| 02:06:41 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 02:08:36 | tracktheripper | hey midknight! |
| 02:08:41 | tracktheripper | I have something for you |
| 02:08:53 | Stevie-O | hey, so do I |
| 02:08:59 | Stevie-O | hmm, where's my bat... |
| 02:09:41 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:09:49 | midknight2k3 | can you hear me stevie-o? |
| 02:09:59 | midknight2k3 | or am i still blocked |
| 02:10:47 | tracktheripper | i can hear you midknighty |
| 02:10:54 | midknight2k3 | not stevie |
| 02:10:56 | midknight2k3 | he block me |
| 02:10:57 | tracktheripper | did u get that link in the PM? |
| 02:11:11 | tracktheripper | ah well never ,omd |
| 02:11:15 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 02:11:17 | midknight2k3 | i got it |
| 02:11:41 | tracktheripper | what do u think? |
| 02:12:01 | midknight2k3 | lolololol] |
| 02:12:08 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 02:14:03 | | Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m232.net195-132-84.noos.fr) |
| 02:14:09 | BoD[] | heeeiiiiiziziziizialaakkiilalala |
| 02:14:10 | midknight2k3 | BOD |
| 02:14:11 | midknight2k3 | it is BOD |
| 02:14:19 | BoD[] | YES :) |
| 02:14:29 | midknight2k3 | BOD has not been here for long time |
| 02:14:38 | tracktheripper | hi BoD |
| 02:14:38 | BoD[] | well a few days :) |
| 02:14:42 | BoD[] | hi |
| 02:15:03 | BoD[] | so ... THE question : is the flash thing is "stable" ? |
| 02:15:11 | midknight2k3 | basically |
| 02:15:20 | BoD[] | did you try it ;) |
| 02:15:27 | midknight2k3 | us fm recorder users dont get it till later :/ |
| 02:15:34 | BoD[] | arg |
| 02:15:40 | BoD[] | i'm a recorder20 man |
| 02:15:46 | midknight2k3 | you can have it now |
| 02:15:49 | midknight2k3 | but i must wait |
| 02:16:16 | BoD[] | last time i went here it worked but the guys adviced me to wait a bit |
| 02:16:36 | midknight2k3 | yeah i dunno yet |
| 02:16:41 | midknight2k3 | id give it another week to be sure |
| 02:16:53 | BoD[] | ok |
| 02:17:17 | BoD[] | it's too bad the digest is idle |
| 02:17:25 | midknight2k3 | BOOO |
| 02:17:26 | midknight2k3 | :D |
| 02:17:28 | BoD[] | since i don't read the mailing list, it was my source |
| 02:18:03 | midknight2k3 | lololololol |
| 02:18:07 | BoD[] | what:) |
| 02:18:08 | midknight2k3 | just go to rockbox.haxx.se |
| 02:18:10 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:18:17 | midknight2k3 | you dont need to use that just go there |
| 02:18:24 | BoD[] | yeah i know but i mean |
| 02:18:36 | BoD[] | the digest thing is handy |
| 02:18:46 | midknight2k3 | yehasj |
| 02:18:49 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 02:19:15 | BoD[] | but i think it's just that the maintainer is in holliday |
| 02:20:20 | midknight2k3 | "in holliday"? |
| 02:20:22 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:21:03 | BoD[] | hollidays ? |
| 02:21:17 | BoD[] | what's wrong |
| 02:21:19 | Jet8810 | hey |
| 02:21:43 | midknight2k3 | hey |
| 02:21:46 | midknight2k3 | it's jet! |
| 02:21:49 | BoD[] | :) |
| 02:22:58 | tracktheripper | hey all |
| 02:22:58 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 02:24:07 | midknight2k3 | *silence* |
| 02:27:37 | midknight2k3 | im in trouble |
| 02:30:30 | BoD[] | why |
| 02:30:46 | midknight2k3 | my bogus feature request |
| 02:30:52 | BoD[] | arf |
| 02:30:54 | BoD[] | again!? :) |
| 02:31:02 | midknight2k3 | track always does it!! |
| 02:31:07 | midknight2k3 | i did one and it's the worst |
| 02:31:07 | midknight2k3 | crap |
| 02:31:08 | BoD[] | oh right |
| 02:31:10 | midknight2k3 | im dead |
| 02:32:23 | tracktheripper | :P |
| 02:32:57 | midknight2k3 | here's my old one |
| 02:33:01 | midknight2k3 | it seems popular |
| 02:33:01 | tracktheripper | ??? |
| 02:33:03 | midknight2k3 | 3 comments! |
| 02:33:09 | midknight2k3 | hang on |
| 02:33:32 | midknight2k3 | http://tinyurl.com/gtud |
| 02:34:11 | tracktheripper | :P |
| 02:34:33 | midknight2k3 | here we are... |
| 02:34:37 | midknight2k3 | my latest innovation |
| 02:34:41 | midknight2k3 | PRESENTING...... |
| 02:34:47 | midknight2k3 | http://tinyurl.com/gtui |
| 02:35:03 | tracktheripper | :P |
| 02:35:18 | midknight2k3 | and good bye! |
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| 02:41:42 | Jet8810 | hey guys |
| 02:42:16 | Stevie-O | yo |
| 02:42:25 | Jet8810 | whatsup? |
| 02:44:18 | Stevie-O | not much |
| 02:54:56 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 02:54:57 | Jet8810 | damn |
| 02:55:00 | Jet8810 | 2200 mah battery |
| 02:57:47 | Stevie-O | that's the fm |
| 03:00 |
| 03:09:39 | Jet8810 | yeea |
| 03:09:42 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 03:09:46 | Jet8810 | is recording from the radio illegal? |
| 03:15:15 | Stevie-O | no? |
| 03:15:26 | Stevie-O | if it was then they wouldn't have that feature |
| 03:16:16 | Jet8810 | haha |
| 03:16:20 | Jet8810 | nice argument :) |
| 03:16:24 | Jet8810 | now, is it IMMORAL? :) |
| 03:17:41 | Stevie-O | no? |
| 03:17:50 | ricII | hmm do you care? |
| 03:17:58 | Stevie-O | they play the stuff for free anyway |
| 03:18:59 | Jet8810 | ric, Stevie, I really strive to maintain honesty in all this music online stuff |
| 03:19:53 | ricII | what about software,, when is a idea your''s ? |
| 03:23:07 | ricII | there is a difference between copyright & authorship.. |
| 03:27:38 | PsycoXul | buying CD's is immoral |
| 03:27:53 | PsycoXul | in doing so you're supporting a corrupt industry that screws both the artists and the consumers |
| 03:27:53 | BoD[] | i agree |
| 03:28:04 | BoD[] | 100% |
| 03:29:03 | PsycoXul | if you really want 100% moral music, i suppose you should either play it yourself, or go support a live band |
| 03:29:31 | BoD[] | you could happen to play something that is copyrighted |
| 03:29:37 | BoD[] | so it could be illegal |
| 03:31:42 | ricII | or implemeny a (c) algorithim |
| 03:33:24 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 03:33:26 | ricII | or even worse reinvent the wheel |
| 03:33:26 | Jet8810 | I buy CDs |
| 03:33:27 | Jet8810 | an dpay fo rmusic |
| 03:33:31 | Jet8810 | that gives me enough piece of mind |
| 03:33:47 | Jet8810 | you can come up with justifications for it all, but I dont care WHO you steal from, its stealing |
| 03:34:43 | ricII | what about using rockbox ? |
| 03:36:18 | ricII | you dismissed, but morally ? |
| 03:36:56 | Jet8810 | rockbox is OFFERED for free |
| 03:37:00 | Jet8810 | as an extreme method of gratitude |
| 03:37:09 | Jet8810 | although I will make a donation once I Get some paypal funds in |
| 03:37:21 | Jet8810 | if somebody offers it for free, its fine |
| 03:39:45 | BoD[] | i don't believe something "intellectual" can be the property of somebody |
| 03:39:56 | BoD[] | like, a song, a software, ... |
| 03:40:11 | ricII | so how is music differnt? |
| 03:41:39 | BoD[] | it's not ;) |
| 03:41:44 | ricII | but I better talk about this when I'm sober.. |
| 03:41:52 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 03:42:14 | Jet8810 | haha |
| 03:47:00 | Stevie-O | mh |
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| 03:47:07 | Stevie-O | a song is not IP |
| 03:47:13 | Stevie-O | and neither is software |
| 03:47:25 | Stevie-O | ideas are IP, and I have trouble with the concept of them being property |
| 03:48:02 | BoD[] | how is a song not IP ? |
| 03:48:06 | ricII | define IP |
| 03:48:44 | Stevie-O | a song |
| 03:48:46 | Stevie-O | and software |
| 03:48:48 | Stevie-O | was produced |
| 03:49:01 | Stevie-O | it took time and effort |
| 03:49:06 | Stevie-O | measurable time and effort |
| 03:49:34 | ricII | and how is this differnt from for e.g. my playlist code? |
| 03:49:44 | Stevie-O | what did I just say? |
| 03:49:50 | Stevie-O | <Stevie-O> and software |
| 03:50:37 | BoD[] | most song belong to somebody |
| 03:50:53 | Stevie-O | didn't I just say that? |
| 03:50:54 | ricII | hardeep did all hard work in (re) implementing it, where is the bord er ? |
| 03:50:56 | BoD[] | a song is an "intellectual" thing (as opposed to material thing) |
| 03:50:58 | BoD[] | so |
| 03:51:01 | BoD[] | a song is IP |
| 03:51:08 | Stevie-O | no |
| 03:51:10 | Stevie-O | a song is not intellectual |
| 03:51:17 | BoD[] | is it material ? :) |
| 03:51:31 | Stevie-O | it is not tangible |
| 03:51:37 | Stevie-O | that doesn't mean it's intellectual |
| 03:52:00 | BoD[] | ok then it's "not tangible"P |
| 03:52:00 | BoD[] | :) |
| 03:52:04 | Stevie-O | while intellectual things are intangible |
| 03:52:11 | Stevie-O | not all intangible things are IP |
| 03:52:43 | BoD[] | ok maybe ... but what i was trying to say is that I don't accept the fact that something intanglible can be the property of somebody |
| 03:52:54 | BoD[] | for me, it belongs to nobody, or to everybody |
| 03:52:55 | ricII | intangible, my english is comming short... |
| 03:53:06 | Stevie-O | ricII: tangible == touchable |
| 03:53:33 | BoD[] | material |
| 03:53:51 | ricII | agian where is the border...\ |
| 03:53:59 | Stevie-O | where is what border? |
| 03:54:39 | ricII | between intellectual & tangible |
| 03:54:57 | Stevie-O | intellectual does not border on tangible |
| 03:55:39 | Stevie-O | BoD[]: then you've never created something intangible |
| 03:55:54 | BoD[] | true |
| 03:56:02 | Stevie-O | I get paid to write software. |
| 03:56:10 | Stevie-O | If the software was not property of my employer |
| 03:56:11 | BoD[] | me too |
| 03:56:13 | Stevie-O | they wouldn't get paid |
| 03:56:18 | BoD[] | it's sad |
| 03:56:20 | Stevie-O | and I wouldn't have a job |
| 03:56:23 | BoD[] | it's not a perfect world ;) |
| 03:56:24 | ricII | indeed. |
| 03:56:34 | BoD[] | but THAT doesn't mean it's RIGHT |
| 03:56:42 | Stevie-O | what are you talking about? |
| 03:56:47 | Stevie-O | I created that software |
| 03:56:56 | Stevie-O | *I* created it |
| 03:57:01 | BoD[] | are you sure |
| 03:57:05 | Stevie-O | and you're saying I don't get to say how it gets used? |
| 03:57:10 | BoD[] | don't you use libraries |
| 03:57:12 | Stevie-O | unless I have an evil twin |
| 03:57:18 | BoD[] | are you not just assembling things |
| 03:57:22 | BoD[] | that already exist ? |
| 03:57:26 | Stevie-O | ... |
| 03:57:35 | Stevie-O | do you own a car? |
| 03:57:39 | BoD[] | what is true creation |
| 03:58:00 | BoD[] | i think that "all works are derivative" ;) |
| 03:58:07 | ricII | hmm |
| 03:58:30 | BoD[] | i dont own a car |
| 03:58:34 | ricII | I do,, |
| 03:58:37 | BoD[] | but i should ;) |
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| 03:58:41 | Stevie-O | more of that software was created by me, than what of my car was created by Honda |
| 03:59:03 | ricII | well my gf does, I got it insured etc. |
| 03:59:04 | Stevie-O | does that mean my car should have been free? |
| 03:59:09 | BoD[] | i dont think so |
| 03:59:13 | BoD[] | your car is material |
| 03:59:27 | Stevie-O | it is an assembly of things that already existed |
| 03:59:50 | BoD[] | well yes |
| 03:59:58 | BoD[] | they transformed things |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:16 | Stevie-O | did it not cost them money to produce? |
| 04:00:26 | BoD[] | yes it did |
| 04:00:28 | BoD[] | but |
| 04:00:38 | BoD[] | you can copy something intangible |
| 04:00:41 | BoD[] | for no cost |
| 04:00:47 | BoD[] | you can't do that with cars |
| 04:00:47 | Stevie-O | there's always a cost |
| 04:00:57 | BoD[] | ok an infinitesimal one |
| 04:00:57 | Stevie-O | it's just far less for computer software |
| 04:01:07 | Stevie-O | not infinitesimal |
| 04:01:10 | Stevie-O | negligible |
| 04:01:15 | Stevie-O | but not infinitesimal |
| 04:01:18 | BoD[] | that's the same |
| 04:01:36 | Stevie-O | no, infinitesimal is immeasurable, negligible is so small that it doesn't matter |
| 04:01:48 | BoD[] | ok so that's the same for this conversation ;) |
| 04:01:54 | Stevie-O | do you get paid? |
| 04:01:59 | ricII | so the car bisness is not the same as software.. |
| 04:02:00 | BoD[] | yes |
| 04:02:05 | Stevie-O | would you rather your employer not pay you for the software you write? |
| 04:02:07 | ricII | yes.. |
| 04:02:14 | BoD[] | well "currently" i'm not employed |
| 04:02:19 | BoD[] | but that doesn't matter |
| 04:02:33 | ricII | well I get paid for knownledge.. |
| 04:02:37 | Stevie-O | good, then you are presently the subject of your preferred economic model |
| 04:02:45 | BoD[] | i get paid for time |
| 04:02:51 | BoD[] | i give my time to code stuffs |
| 04:03:03 | BoD[] | but the code itself i would prefere it was free |
| 04:03:11 | BoD[] | it's not, i can live with it |
| 04:03:16 | Stevie-O | no |
| 04:03:19 | Stevie-O | you get paid for your code |
| 04:03:26 | Stevie-O | if you did not write code, you would not get paid |
| 04:03:44 | BoD[] | it's a service i give |
| 04:04:06 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 04:04:09 | ricII | not true here,,,\ |
| 04:04:09 | BoD[] | it has nothing to do with the fact that this code then "belongs" to the company, and they can sell it |
| 04:04:10 | Stevie-O | the service of writing code |
| 04:04:59 | Stevie-O | if they couldn't sell it |
| 04:05:03 | Stevie-O | they would not pay you for it |
| 04:05:07 | ricII | but still there is authorship... |
| 04:05:15 | BoD[] | well as I said |
| 04:05:26 | BoD[] | i understand the "goal" of this |
| 04:05:51 | BoD[] | it's easy for people to be paid for the stuff they produce |
| 04:06:05 | BoD[] | but that doesn't mean it's right |
| 04:06:24 | ricII | I had to write code for ibm which I didn't want to put my name under it... |
| 04:06:25 | Stevie-O | <Sui88> 67% of girls are stupid |
| 04:06:25 | Stevie-O | <V-girl> i belong with the other 13% |
| 04:06:27 | BoD[] | in a perfect world, people could be paid for producing things, and these things would still be free |
| 04:06:40 | BoD[] | ;) |
| 04:06:52 | * | Stevie-O sends BoD[] to an economics class |
| 04:07:23 | BoD[] | i say : something that requires no money for being copied should be free |
| 04:07:26 | ricII | in a perfect world, you wouldn't need to get paid.. |
| 04:08:17 | BoD[] | very true |
| 04:08:45 | BoD[] | in star trek there is no money I think |
| 04:09:10 | BoD[] | i think the authors were a bit too optimistic about the future ;) |
| 04:09:10 | Stevie-O | star trek is a fucking tv show |
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| 04:09:19 | BoD[] | stevie-o : no??? really ? |
| 04:09:21 | ricII | yup// |
| 04:09:22 | Stevie-O | i'll note that in star trek |
| 04:09:31 | midknight2k3 | helo |
| 04:09:42 | Stevie-O | they ALSO had the ability to copy your 'material things' for negligible cost |
| 04:09:56 | BoD[] | yep |
| 04:10:05 | BoD[] | thus no need for money ;) |
| 04:10:12 | ricII | prob. is howto transform our world to a more perfect.l. |
| 04:10:13 | BoD[] | that makes sense |
| 04:11:01 | midknight2k3 | i see i am not wanted jere |
| 04:11:17 | ricII | midknight2k3: why? |
| 04:11:32 | midknight2k3 | nobody replies to my hello |
| 04:11:36 | BoD[] | hello |
| 04:11:38 | ricII | hi |
| 04:11:45 | midknight2k3 | :) |
| 04:11:51 | midknight2k3 | : |) |
| 04:12:20 | BoD[] | ricII : when i'm president of the world, my first move would be to cancel all the ip laws ;) it will not be legal to "own" something not material |
| 04:12:53 | ricII | opensource is on it's way.. |
| 04:12:56 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 04:13:56 | BoD[] | anyway see you all |
| 04:13:58 | BoD[] | i have to sleep |
| 04:13:59 | ricII | it's like a nature power, evolution ...idea's want ro be free |
| 04:14:22 | midknight2k3 | bye |
| 04:14:27 | midknight2k3 | good night bog |
| 04:14:27 | BoD[] | everybody wants to be free |
| 04:14:29 | midknight2k3 | bod |
| 04:14:34 | midknight2k3 | :-|) |
| 04:14:40 | BoD[] | good night all :) |
| 04:14:42 | ricII | they only live in our minds, nigth bod |
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| 04:17:12 | ricII | I have to dirve the car trough the carbon test tomorrow.. |
| 04:17:45 | ricII | so good night as well.. |
| 04:18:59 | midknight2k3 | good night |
| 04:19:04 | midknight2k3 | ricII |
| 04:19:09 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 04:21:42 | midknight2k3 | oh and |
| 04:21:51 | midknight2k3 | have fin "dirve"ing tomorrow |
| 04:21:54 | midknight2k3 | fun |
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| 15:48:11 | * | Stevie[FreedomPa is back from [gone] [gone 2days 17hrs 15mins 16secs] [KS] |
| 15:48:15 | | Nick Stevie[FreedomPa is now known as STevie[FP] (~whatsit2u@65.114.136.196) |
| 15:55:15 | * | STevie[FP] yawns |
| 15:55:19 | | Nick STevie[FP] is now known as Stevie[FP] (~whatsit2u@65.114.136.196) |
| 15:55:21 | Stevie[FP] | ewps |
| 15:55:23 | dwihno | Goddamn holy shit! Rockbox boots SO GODDAMN FAST when run from ROM! |
| 15:57:01 | Hes | hm, think I should try that out too. Sounds excellent. |
| 15:57:21 | Hes | (although flash isn't really ROM 8-) |
| 15:57:35 | dwihno | shit same, different thing :) |
| 15:58:28 | Stevie[FP] | it's EEPROM |
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| 15:59:55 | dwihno | Well, then I WAS right :) |
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| 16:00:07 | dwihno | A ROM that makes EEP sounds., |
| 16:00:40 | Stevie[FP] | ... |
| 16:05:55 | Hes | EPROMs, or their programmers, did make an EEP-like sound while programming 8-) |
| 16:07:02 | Hes | at least last time I did that (years ago with some amateur radio modems/controllers & the first stage ROM monitor loader of my Alpha) |
| 16:12:31 | Stevie[FP] | heh |
| 16:12:50 | * | Stevie[FP] slowly codes |
| 16:12:59 | Stevie[FP] | anybody wanna help me write a windoze device driver? |
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| 16:51:28 | machtenx | hey guys |
| 16:54:58 | Lynx0 | hi |
| 16:56:49 | machtenx | everyone sleeping? |
| 16:57:51 | Stevie[FP] | no, coding |
| 16:59:38 | machtenx | I'm trying to decide which jukebox to buy |
| 16:59:54 | Stevie[FP] | the one from happy days |
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| 17:00:05 | machtenx | lol |
| 17:00:20 | Stevie[FP] | all you gotta do is hit it in the right spot |
| 17:00:24 | Stevie[FP] | and it plays for free |
| 17:00:38 | machtenx | haha |
| 17:02:00 | machtenx | 120 bucks for batteries is my issue |
| 17:02:14 | machtenx | Lion vs rechargeable AA's |
| 17:02:55 | Stevie[FP] | lithium ion batteries are harder to kill |
| 17:02:57 | machtenx | http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3699265/# or http://www.compuplus.com/insidepage.php3?sid=yfrepk4962oppxs&id=1000497&track=searchViewed both good deals i think |
| 17:03:18 | Stevie[FP] | they don't need a charge-discharge cycle like nicd and nimh do |
| 17:03:31 | machtenx | right |
| 17:03:50 | Stevie[FP] | plus |
| 17:03:50 | machtenx | but I'm trying to justify buying the higher model |
| 17:03:57 | machtenx | beyond batteries |
| 17:04:06 | Stevie[FP] | the liion in the FM is 2200maH |
| 17:04:10 | Stevie[FP] | err mAH |
| 17:04:28 | machtenx | so more sound quality? |
| 17:05:19 | Stevie[FP] | more battery time |
| 17:05:57 | machtenx | have you or do you know anyone that's used the camera module? |
| 17:06:24 | Stevie[FP] | camera module? |
| 17:07:12 | Stevie[FP] | err |
| 17:07:13 | Stevie[FP] | dude |
| 17:07:14 | machtenx | yeah, they sell it as part of a package in one i'm considering |
| 17:07:15 | machtenx | hehe |
| 17:07:16 | Stevie[FP] | that's the multimedia |
| 17:07:19 | machtenx | yeah |
| 17:07:24 | Stevie[FP] | that's a video player, not an mp3 player |
| 17:07:31 | Stevie[FP] | Rockbox doesn't run on the multimedia |
| 17:07:37 | machtenx | dohhhhh |
| 17:07:51 | machtenx | whats the best one to get to run with rockbox? |
| 17:08:00 | machtenx | an FM? |
| 17:08:16 | Stevie[FP] | well 'best' is in the eye of the beholder |
| 17:08:34 | Stevie[FP] | the FM has no digital in/out |
| 17:08:41 | machtenx | will it run with Mini Jukebox Recorder 15 ? |
| 17:08:55 | Stevie[FP] | I'm thinking it should |
| 17:11:00 | machtenx | it's only 160 bucks at fries |
| 17:11:30 | machtenx | fry's* |
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| 18:12:12 | Shrike| | hi there, i'm considering buying either an Archos Studio 20 or an iPod, but i'm leaning toward iPod because of all the hacking style stuff going on, but rockbox is kinda swaying me to archos...that and the price |
| 18:13:13 | Shrike| | so whats the whole rockbox setup like? A lot better than an iPod? |
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| 18:13:46 | Kuji_ | wheres the image to flash with |
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| 18:49:46 | Lynx0 | I don't know IPod |
| 18:50:52 | Lynx0 | Shrike|: Have you seen the screenshots on the rockbox site? |
| 18:51:08 | Shrike| | ok, i'm just reading all the rockbox documentation, it seems that there are lots of differences between recorder and studio ones |
| 18:51:28 | Shrike| | yes Lynx0 just been looking at them, it looks a lot more functional |
| 18:51:37 | Lynx0 | Shrike|: The recorder is better, expecially because of the screen |
| 18:51:53 | Shrike| | yeh, but £100 more expensive |
| 18:52:05 | Lynx0 | Yes...but you can record ;-) |
| 18:52:14 | Lynx0 | And how much is the iPod? |
| 18:52:59 | Shrike| | ummmmm a 30gb one is £400 :) |
| 18:53:37 | kuji | you know where a current flash firmware for recorder 20 is ? |
| 18:55:13 | Shrike| | What other features does rockbox give the recorders except for fonts? |
| 18:57:52 | Lynx0 | Umm, games, plugins, configurable 'while playing screen', and more... |
| 18:58:49 | Lynx0 | kuji: I think it's here: http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/ |
| 18:58:56 | kuji | cheers on it |
| 18:58:59 | kuji | brb |
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| 18:59:20 | Shrike| | I thought you got all the games, plugins and WPS on all the models the rockbox supports? |
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| 19:00:35 | Lynx0 | sorry, I thought you meant rockbox vs. archos firmware. I'm not sure if the games work on the studios also. |
| 19:01:32 | Shrike| | hmm it says in PDF manual that games are only for the recorder |
| 19:02:38 | Shrike| | so which of the recorders would you recommend? |
| 19:04:10 | Shrike| | hmm, the recorder 20 is only £50 more expensive |
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| 20:02:11 | midknight2k3 | hello |
| 20:04:32 | Shrike| | what other hacks is there for the archos hard disk mp3 player series other than rock box? |
| 20:04:41 | midknight2k3 | none |
| 20:04:50 | midknight2k3 | rockbox rocks and it's the only one so it rocks more |
| 20:05:07 | midknight2k3 | and it's the only firmware hack for ANY mp3 player so it rocks rocks rocks |
| 20:06:11 | Shrike| | i see you are a fan ;) |
| 20:06:23 | midknight2k3 | yes I am :D |
| 20:06:31 | midknight2k3 | a very pleased one |
| 20:06:45 | midknight2k3 | i wish Zagor was here |
| 20:06:56 | midknight2k3 | I could tell him that i am very happy with rockbox |
| 20:07:47 | Shrike| | hmmm its a choice of either £250 archos recorder 20 or £300 for a 15gb iPod |
| 20:08:03 | midknight2k3 | dont you dare |
| 20:08:17 | midknight2k3 | archos it is! :) |
| 20:09:00 | Lynx0 | Well, rockbox is really good, but the archos itself may not have the built quality of an iPod. |
| 20:09:13 | Lynx0 | I mean the hardware... |
| 20:09:16 | Shrike| | yeh |
| 20:09:23 | Shrike| | its a big more bulkier |
| 20:09:29 | midknight2k3 | ever so slightl |
| 20:09:32 | Shrike| | but i don't mind the chunky look |
| 20:09:33 | midknight2k3 | y |
| 20:09:36 | midknight2k3 | hey |
| 20:09:39 | midknight2k3 | try th fm recorder |
| 20:09:50 | midknight2k3 | it is smaller and lighter, and looks better |
| 20:09:53 | Stevie[FP] | the archos itself has the build quality of a Yugo |
| 20:10:02 | midknight2k3 | what is a yugo |
| 20:10:04 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 20:10:21 | midknight2k3 | lololol |
| 20:11:03 | tpelliott | I'm glad I have the older recorder. I like being able to change batteries. |
| 20:11:37 | midknight2k3 | I'm glad I have the FM recorder. I like having a longer lasting battery that is replaceable when the time comes and archos releases them. |
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| 20:13:09 | midknight2k3 | hey there |
| 20:13:25 | tpelliott | Hey. |
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| 20:15:31 | Shrike| | i was planning on getting this one http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500279.html |
| 20:15:34 | Shrike| | good or bad? |
| 20:15:42 | midknight2k3 | i will tell you |
| 20:16:01 | midknight2k3 | yesyesyes |
| 20:17:18 | midknight2k3 | you live in australia? |
| 20:18:17 | Shrike| | nope |
| 20:18:20 | Shrike| | good ol england |
| 20:18:25 | midknight2k3 | hang on then |
| 20:18:46 | midknight2k3 | where would you get it? |
| 20:18:49 | midknight2k3 | archos online? |
| 20:18:55 | midknight2k3 | it's best to get it at a store |
| 20:19:04 | Shrike| | hmm |
| 20:19:14 | Shrike| | point |
| 20:19:16 | midknight2k3 | do you have a best buy therE? |
| 20:19:31 | Shrike| | nope |
| 20:19:56 | midknight2k3 | well whereever i guess |
| 20:20:04 | midknight2k3 | an extended warranty is also good to have |
| 20:20:40 | Shrike| | well if i buy it off the website, it should come quickly |
| 20:20:52 | midknight2k3 | yeah if you want go ahead |
| 20:21:07 | midknight2k3 | but that's shopping in australia |
| 20:21:14 | Shrike| | :) |
| 20:21:24 | Shrike| | Archos is UK based isn't it? |
| 20:21:31 | midknight2k3 | no idea |
| 20:21:37 | midknight2k3 | i know all about rockbox though |
| 20:21:42 | midknight2k3 | ask me anything :) |
| 20:22:02 | probonic | I know Archos is a French company |
| 20:22:14 | probonic | prob. got a couple of HQ's |
| 20:22:35 | Shrike| | ok, what features are recorder only in it midknight2k3? |
| 20:23:04 | midknight2k3 | games, demos, big wps, custom font... |
| 20:23:14 | midknight2k3 | fm recorder can do it too |
| 20:23:21 | midknight2k3 | 8 line display |
| 20:23:28 | midknight2k3 | peak meter |
| 20:23:31 | midknight2k3 | a lot of stuff |
| 20:23:48 | midknight2k3 | here |
| 20:23:51 | midknight2k3 | did you read this yet? |
| 20:23:52 | midknight2k3 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html |
| 20:24:03 | midknight2k3 | auto volum control. |
| 20:24:07 | midknight2k3 | plugin loader |
| 20:24:15 | midknight2k3 | everything rockbox has can be done with recorder |
| 20:25:18 | Shrike| | hehe |
| 20:25:19 | Shrike| | sold |
| 20:25:26 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 20:25:27 | Lynx0 | Did anyone here ever have the bug where rockbox thinks the disk is full, even though it isn't? |
| 20:25:33 | midknight2k3 | not i |
| 20:26:13 | Lynx0 | I wonder if reformatting the drive would make it go away... |
| 20:27:47 | midknight2k3 | thank god! |
| 20:27:49 | midknight2k3 | phew |
| 20:27:53 | Lynx0 | Hehe... |
| 20:27:56 | midknight2k3 | i thought i'd be dead |
| 20:27:59 | midknight2k3 | this request i sent |
| 20:28:14 | midknight2k3 | i thought zagor would kill me for it |
| 20:28:16 | midknight2k3 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=770725&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
| 20:28:23 | midknight2k3 | but he doesn't seem to think it was a joke :D |
| 20:29:16 | Lynx0 | Was it a joke or not? |
| 20:29:23 | midknight2k3 | duhm, yes :) |
| 20:29:28 | midknight2k3 | bluetooth router? |
| 20:29:32 | midknight2k3 | polyphonic? |
| 20:29:36 | midknight2k3 | mobile phone? |
| 20:29:38 | midknight2k3 | pah! |
| 20:30:27 | Lynx0 | I have a bluetooth router with usb support |
| 20:30:51 | midknight2k3 | try it then |
| 20:30:52 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 20:31:00 | Lynx0 | nah, just kidding. |
| 20:31:00 | midknight2k3 | it's of course impossible |
| 20:31:04 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 20:31:48 | Lynx0 | Well, my DNA is done, I'll go eat now... |
| 20:31:55 | midknight2k3 | bye |
| 20:31:58 | Lynx0 | cu |
| 20:32:02 | | Quit Lynx0 ("So long, thanks for all the fish!") |
| 20:32:20 | midknight2k3 | is shrike paying for it now? |
| 20:33:00 | Shrike| | no :) |
| 20:33:07 | Shrike| | I've got no money atm |
| 20:33:18 | midknight2k3 | but you will buy one soon enough |
| 20:33:19 | midknight2k3 | :D |
| 20:33:58 | | Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9E34199.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:34:24 | Shrike| | lol no |
| 20:34:29 | Shrike| | not till next month |
| 20:34:42 | Shrike| | Need to sell my minidisk as well |
| 20:34:45 | midknight2k3 | bos oon enuff |
| 20:34:46 | midknight2k3 | hey |
| 20:34:49 | midknight2k3 | dragon |
| 20:34:54 | midknight2k3 | rombox is ok? |
| 20:35:07 | [IDC]Dragon | Yes, now on FM, too. |
| 20:35:12 | midknight2k3 | yay! |
| 20:35:18 | midknight2k3 | is it safe n stable? |
| 20:35:27 | [IDC]Dragon | for which box? |
| 20:35:31 | midknight2k3 | fm |
| 20:36:00 | [IDC]Dragon | I guess, but will try a bit more. I flashed it 5 minutes ago for the first time. |
| 20:36:17 | midknight2k3 | so how does this work can you tell me? |
| 20:36:48 | [IDC]Dragon | The most important thing is that the permanent copy, the original Archos software, is reliably coming up with F1. |
| 20:36:58 | [IDC]Dragon | Anything else we can fix later. |
| 20:37:07 | midknight2k3 | so how does it work?????? lol |
| 20:37:15 | [IDC]Dragon | RTFM |
| 20:37:25 | midknight2k3 | whre? |
| 20:37:34 | midknight2k3 | i didnt see it no where |
| 20:37:43 | midknight2k3 | but i will read it gladly :D |
| 20:37:58 | [IDC]Dragon | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/readme.txt |
| 20:38:19 | [IDC]Dragon | To be updated for FM soon. |
| 20:38:26 | midknight2k3 | neat thanks |
| 20:38:41 | midknight2k3 | by the way shrike he is putting rockbox in the player's ROM so it loads faster |
| 20:39:29 | Shrike| | i thought there was only 2mb of rom? |
| 20:39:40 | midknight2k3 | that's ram\ |
| 20:39:43 | midknight2k3 | for buffering |
| 20:39:50 | midknight2k3 | rom holds the standard firmware |
| 20:40:06 | midknight2k3 | and rockbox (200kb) will replace the archos firmware (30kb or so lol) |
| 20:40:25 | midknight2k3 | they rewrite it so it loads in 3 socinds instead of 10-15 seconds |
| 20:41:35 | Shrike| | cool |
| 20:41:47 | midknight2k3 | very |
| 20:41:51 | midknight2k3 | it's a breakthrough |
| 20:42:03 | midknight2k3 | like the plugin loader :) |
| 20:42:49 | [IDC]Dragon | Gotta go, the weather is too nice here. |
| 20:42:56 | midknight2k3 | bye |
| 20:43:01 | midknight2k3 | thanks for your rombox |
| 20:43:03 | midknight2k3 | :) |
| 20:43:05 | midknight2k3 | good job |
| 20:43:08 | midknight2k3 | happy sun |
| 20:43:11 | [IDC]Dragon | I will compose a release later in the evening. |
| 20:43:15 | Shrike| | heh, before today i was like, "iPod or Archos, iPod or Archos" |
| 20:43:21 | midknight2k3 | lolol |
| 20:43:28 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon () |
| 20:43:30 | midknight2k3 | now you're like what? |
| 20:43:34 | Shrike| | then i saw the rockbox thing and was like "hmmmm" |
| 20:43:49 | Shrike| | i'm like "Archos could be better long term, cheaper too :D" |
| 20:44:06 | midknight2k3 | it is better long term |
| 20:44:11 | midknight2k3 | with all those options |
| 20:44:17 | midknight2k3 | read my review if you like for info |
| 20:44:37 | Shrike| | linkage |
| 20:44:40 | midknight2k3 | http://www.epinions.com/content_94606167684 |
| 20:44:43 | midknight2k3 | :D |
| 20:44:57 | midknight2k3 | ignore the update |
| 20:45:22 | midknight2k3 | actually i will re update |
| 20:45:33 | midknight2k3 | i shouldn't have said that looking back on it |
| 20:46:42 | midknight2k3 | i fixed it |
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| 20:53:20 | Shrike| | good review |
| 20:53:44 | midknight2k3 | 33 people said very helpful :) |
| 20:53:49 | midknight2k3 | i u[dated the u[date |
| 20:53:57 | midknight2k3 | updated/update |
| 20:55:49 | Shrike| | heh |
| 20:55:59 | Shrike| | ok i'm off to find this fabled FM Recorder 20 |
| 20:56:05 | midknight2k3 | wait |
| 20:56:05 | midknight2k3 | WAIT |
| 20:56:10 | midknight2k3 | read my review! |
| 20:56:20 | Shrike| | i have :P |
| 20:56:23 | midknight2k3 | http://www.epinions.com/content_104923762308 |
| 20:56:27 | midknight2k3 | on fm recorder |
| 20:56:30 | midknight2k3 | if you care :D |
| 20:56:38 | Shrike| | oh on FM one |
| 20:56:49 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 20:59:22 | Shrike| | right now i need to find the fm recorder for sale in britain |
| 20:59:31 | midknight2k3 | i doubt it lol |
| 20:59:44 | midknight2k3 | its possible thougha ctually |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:21 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 21:00:35 | midknight2k3 | am i the only one who hates archos' new slogan? |
| 21:00:46 | midknight2k3 | "Cinema to go... with you wherever you go!" |
| 21:03:49 | Shrike| | lol |
| 21:04:00 | midknight2k3 | just terrible |
| 21:04:44 | Shrike| | http://audiovisual.kelkoo.co.uk/shopbot/go.jsp?catId=122701&from=browse&merchantId=3423623&pkey=0 <-that it? |
| 21:05:16 | midknight2k3 | session has expired |
| 21:06:18 | Shrike| | hmmm |
| 21:06:24 | midknight2k3 | http://194.206.235.236/dev/gui_web/shopping/index.php?fuseaction=voir_fiche_article&kelkoouk=1&langue=uk&article=27523 |
| 21:06:27 | midknight2k3 | that |
| 21:06:27 | Shrike| | http://audiovisual.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/sbs/uk/consumerElectronics/keyword/archos/type/MP3+Player/category/consumer/manufacturer/Archos/partnerId/8903581/122701.html |
| 21:06:40 | midknight2k3 | the top one |
| 21:06:42 | midknight2k3 | is fm recorder |
| 21:07:51 | Shrike| | yeh thats what i was linking too : |
| 21:07:53 | Shrike| | :) |
| 21:23:31 | midknight2k3 | me botred |
| 21:23:34 | midknight2k3 | BORED |
| 21:25:04 | Shrike| | buy me that then |
| 21:25:22 | midknight2k3 | never mind i found something to do :) |
| 21:25:56 | Shrike| | dang :) |
| 21:34:28 | midknight2k3 | me is bored once more |
| 21:34:56 | midknight2k3 | any questions on rockbox |
| 21:35:41 | Shrike| | yeh go on then |
| 21:35:58 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 21:35:59 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 21:36:01 | midknight2k3 | im not bored |
| 21:36:15 | midknight2k3 | im just randomly asking if you have any questions on rockbox or rombox |
| 21:36:16 | Shrike| | will it ever have the contacts function implemented, thats one thing like the one on the iPod? |
| 21:36:31 | midknight2k3 | the priority on that is i believe 7 |
| 21:36:37 | midknight2k3 | it's coming soon hopefully |
| 21:36:40 | midknight2k3 | perhaps as a plugin |
| 21:36:54 | midknight2k3 | there's already a patch for it but soon maybe it will come with a plugin |
| 21:37:24 | Shrike| | cool |
| 21:37:39 | midknight2k3 | the patches need to be compiled however |
| 21:37:45 | Shrike| | what other functions will be in the next release? as a guess ;) |
| 21:37:57 | midknight2k3 | well there's daily builds |
| 21:38:13 | midknight2k3 | so there are a few bug fixes and features once a day/week/month/whenever |
| 21:38:24 | midknight2k3 | added to every day |
| 21:38:43 | midknight2k3 | most people use them but some stick with the final versions in hopes of having a more stable rockbox |
| 21:38:59 | Shrike| | its updated daily? wow, they doing this professionally? |
| 21:39:03 | midknight2k3 | it's not true, and daily builds are the latest in features and bug fixes |
| 21:39:21 | midknight2k3 | i don't know what you mean by professionally :) |
| 21:40:13 | Shrike| | well as a job |
| 21:40:21 | Shrike| | or is it just a sideline project |
| 21:40:45 | midknight2k3 | just a project |
| 21:41:02 | Shrike| | heh |
| 21:41:10 | Shrike| | they must spend a lot of time working on it |
| 21:41:19 | midknight2k3 | a bit, yeah |
| 21:43:01 | midknight2k3 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml |
| 21:43:22 | midknight2k3 | under SOURCE TARBALLS it lists the changes for that day |
| 21:43:35 | midknight2k3 | there were like 90 when the plugin loader came into play :) |
| 21:43:58 | Shrike| | lol :D |
| 21:52:38 | midknight2k3 | ANY MORE QUESTIONS> |
| 21:52:42 | midknight2k3 | I CAN ANSWER ANY ONE |
| 21:52:46 | midknight2k3 | (about rockbox) |
| 21:52:58 | Shrike| | yeh, what does it sound like/ |
| 21:53:05 | Shrike| | crisp and clear? good and good? |
| 21:53:25 | midknight2k3 | depends on sound settings |
| 21:53:28 | midknight2k3 | there are many |
| 21:53:32 | midknight2k3 | and they're very adjustable |
| 21:53:42 | Shrike| | ok on the best sound settings |
| 21:53:49 | midknight2k3 | VERY VERY GOOD |
| 21:53:55 | Shrike| | with mp3s encoded at 128kb/s |
| 21:54:06 | midknight2k3 | that's what i used to use |
| 21:54:08 | midknight2k3 | very nice |
| 21:54:34 | midknight2k3 | ajustable is: bass, treble, channels, auto volume decay time, bass boost, loudness |
| 21:54:43 | midknight2k3 | there's a karaoke mode too :D |
| 21:54:55 | midknight2k3 | and stereo wide, stereo, stereo narrow |
| 21:55:35 | midknight2k3 | wide makes it seem like it's far away and very expanded, and narrow makes it flat, close and compressed |
| 21:55:39 | midknight2k3 | both have good uses |
| 21:56:09 | Shrike| | nice :) |
| 21:56:25 | Shrike| | this is sounding more and more like an essential purchase |
| 21:56:54 | midknight2k3 | backlight works well but doesn't take up barely any power - i leave the backlight on 24, 7 |
| 21:57:08 | midknight2k3 | helps a lot |
| 21:57:38 | midknight2k3 | with the plugin loader you can play about 10 games and 4 demos (demos are like screen savers) |
| 21:57:47 | midknight2k3 | games are very fun |
| 21:58:19 | midknight2k3 | Tetris, Snake, Wormlet, Sokoban, Star, Othello, FlipIt!, Sliding Puzzle |
| 21:58:28 | Shrike| | cool |
| 21:59:02 | midknight2k3 | did you see the screenshots? |
| 21:59:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:59:18 | Shrike| | only of tetris wormlet and sokoban |
| 21:59:36 | midknight2k3 | but all of them |
| 21:59:38 | midknight2k3 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/screenshots/ |
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| 22:03:55 | Shrike| | cool screenshots |
| 22:04:10 | Shrike| | who took them, want to congratulate them on a great music taste :D |
| 22:04:51 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:05:31 | Shrike| | hmm i wonder how i can pay for this though :D |
| 22:05:59 | Stevie[FP] | steal it |
| 22:06:22 | Stevie[FP] | note that while that is the cheapest way to do it, certain legal entities may take issue |
| 22:06:36 | Shrike| | i would! but i'd have to go to the site's base that i'm buying it from, break it, find it, steal, and not get caught |
| 22:06:40 | Shrike| | easier to buy it :) |
| 22:08:03 | Shrike| | so what patches do you use midknight2k3? |
| 22:09:23 | midknight2k3 | none |
| 22:09:27 | midknight2k3 | i can't compile them well |
| 22:09:31 | midknight2k3 | i have af ew though |
| 22:09:39 | midknight2k3 | the wormlet patch and the chip8 emulator |
| 22:09:46 | midknight2k3 | they were pre compiled |
| 22:10:58 | Shrike| | hmm, what do they need to be compiled in? |
| 22:11:24 | midknight2k3 | compiled in? cygwin i think |
| 22:12:53 | Shrike| | hmm |
| 22:13:02 | Shrike| | definete purchase :) |
| 22:13:15 | midknight2k3 | LoLoL |
| 22:13:25 | midknight2k3 | did i mention |
| 22:13:31 | midknight2k3 | custom WPS, and custom fonts? |
| 22:13:54 | Shrike| | nope? |
| 22:14:02 | midknight2k3 | there are |
| 22:14:10 | midknight2k3 | about 20 fonts |
| 22:14:17 | midknight2k3 | and you make your own WPS! woohoo |
| 22:14:55 | Shrike| | and that means? |
| 22:15:00 | midknight2k3 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/screenshots/wps.png |
| 22:15:05 | midknight2k3 | while playing screen |
| 22:15:13 | midknight2k3 | 7 custom lines |
| 22:15:25 | midknight2k3 | you could have it say: |
| 22:15:28 | midknight2k3 | ID3 TITLE |
| 22:15:35 | midknight2k3 | ID3 ARTIST |
| 22:15:39 | midknight2k3 | ID3 ALBUM |
| 22:15:49 | midknight2k3 | Time elapsed / Time remaining |
| 22:15:53 | midknight2k3 | Total Time |
| 22:15:56 | midknight2k3 | Progress Bar |
| 22:15:58 | midknight2k3 | Peak Meter |
| 22:16:01 | midknight2k3 | Bit rate |
| 22:16:04 | midknight2k3 | something like that |
| 22:16:11 | midknight2k3 | could be a wps |
| 22:16:23 | midknight2k3 | here's the info |
| 22:16:24 | midknight2k3 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html |
| 22:17:30 | Shrike| | so i could have like the artist track album and all that and then like "I AM THE BEST! BOW DOWN TO MY AMAZING MUSIC TASTE!"? |
| 22:17:42 | midknight2k3 | yeahhahahah |
| 22:17:50 | midknight2k3 | as the bottom line or something |
| 22:18:16 | midknight2k3 | have it scroll :D |
| 22:18:32 | midknight2k3 | but what i said above was just an idea |
| 22:18:37 | Shrike| | :D yes |
| 22:18:38 | midknight2k3 | there are like 100 things you can choose from |
| 22:18:47 | midknight2k3 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html |
| 22:19:01 | midknight2k3 | try that no an iPod |
| 22:19:06 | midknight2k3 | :) |
| 22:19:40 | midknight2k3 | try that ON an iPod |
| 22:19:46 | midknight2k3 | i'll be back in a few mins |
| 22:21:12 | Shrike| | okily dokily |
| 22:23:42 | midknight2k3 | um back |
| 22:23:44 | midknight2k3 | im back |
| 22:23:48 | midknight2k3 | (say "wb") |
| 22:25:47 | Shrike| | welcome back ;) |
| 22:26:24 | midknight2k3 | :D |
| 22:27:14 | Shrike| | i've been here talking about this since 5 |
| 22:27:24 | midknight2k3 | did you try any of the things i mentioned with an iPod yet? :) |
| 22:28:18 | Shrike| | no :P |
| 22:28:18 | | Quit NibbIer (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 22:28:24 | Shrike| | because i have no ipod |
| 22:28:34 | midknight2k3 | and you won't be getting one - hah! |
| 22:28:37 | midknight2k3 | archos for sure |
| 22:29:22 | Shrike| | yeh |
| 22:29:51 | midknight2k3 | I can now think of about 50 good reasons to get an archos-rockbox instead of an iPod |
| 22:31:31 | Shrike| | lol |
| 22:31:45 | Shrike| | right i'm going for a shower and to see what i can sell to buy one of these |
| 22:32:33 | | Part Shrike| |
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| 23:19:08 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, any daring FM user here? |
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| 23:27:54 | diddystar5 | hey [IDC]Dragon |
| 23:28:51 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi! |
| 23:29:21 | [IDC]Dragon | Do you have an FM? |
| 23:29:36 | diddystar5 | no just a recorder 20 |
| 23:34:24 | diddystar5 | [IDC]Dragon: do differn't levels of compression in uclpack effect the speed of rockbox any? |
| 23:35:29 | [IDC]Dragon | Not really. I'd say high compression may even decompress faster, because there's more re-use of data. |
| 23:36:19 | [IDC]Dragon | But it doesn't matter as long as we decompress in a fraction of a second. |
| 23:36:32 | [IDC]Dragon | Most of all we have to wait for the disk. |
| 23:37:02 | [IDC]Dragon | When you see the Rockbox logo, decompression is done. |
| 23:37:11 | diddystar5 | ok i see |
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| 23:41:30 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Stevie, you've got an FM, right? |
| 23:41:47 | Stevie-O | indeed I do |
| 23:42:04 | Stevie-O | I gotta get around to sending it back to Archos to get repaired |
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| 23:42:23 | [IDC]Dragon | repaired? |
| 23:42:26 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 23:42:32 | diddystar5 | what happened? |
| 23:42:36 | [IDC]Dragon | what's wrong? |
| 23:42:40 | Stevie-O | typical archos quality? |
| 23:42:58 | Stevie-O | the dc connector has become loosened from the pcb |
| 23:43:03 | Shrike| | is the archos unreliable? o_o |
| 23:43:09 | [IDC]Dragon | Is it operational? |
| 23:43:13 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 23:43:29 | [IDC]Dragon | Feeling adventurous tonight? |
| 23:43:36 | Stevie-O | like flashing? |
| 23:43:51 | [IDC]Dragon | Uhm, yes. |
| 23:43:53 | Stevie-O | not if I'm going to be sending it back to Archos tomorrow :P |
| 23:44:04 | Stevie-O | I can run it on my emulator though! :P |
| 23:44:13 | [IDC]Dragon | One more reason to return it if it fails ;-) |
| 23:44:15 | Stevie-O | although that's a lot less indicative of working |
| 23:44:32 | Stevie-O | since I don't actually check most of the pins |
| 23:45:19 | Stevie-O | I need to get my damn device driver working |
| 23:45:25 | [IDC]Dragon | You can restore the original flash content, if desired. |
| 23:46:19 | * | Stevie-O ain't flashing anything atm |
| 23:46:35 | [IDC]Dragon | OK. |
| 23:50:55 | diddystar5 | hehe the irony of flashing ;) |
| 23:51:35 | * | Stevie-O fails to see the irony you refer to |
| 23:52:43 | | Quit diddystar5 ("Gotta Go!") |
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