#rockbox 2003-07-17

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#rockbox log for 2003-07-17

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00:32:00	BoD[]	hi !
00:33:37	LinusN	hi
00:34:09	mecraw	Can you believe people are still trying to run DOOM?!!? LOL
00:34:23	LinusN	:-)
00:34:34	BoD[]	mouhaha :)
00:34:36	BoD[]	best hoax ever
00:34:43	LinusN	we should make a flashable version :-)
00:35:12	diddystar5	hey linus
00:35:24	LinusN	yo
00:35:45	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:35:45	*	LinusN goes for a glass of Coke
00:36:15	diddystar5	i don't think that rockbox_flash.c should be made when building the windows sim you get a nasty error, plus the plugin wouldn't do anything anyway
00:38:00	LinusN	hehe
00:40:25	diddystar5	rite LinusN!
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00:47:50	BoD[]	i think i'm in trouble
00:48:12	diddystar5	why?
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00:48:47	BoD[]	hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
00:48:48	BoD[]	hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=3967800, sector=2409488
00:48:48	BoD[]	end_request: I/O error, cmd 0 dev 03:03 (hda), sector 2409488
00:49:10	LinusN	ouch
00:49:47	diddystar5	now what the heck is that? ;)
00:50:08	BoD[]	diddystar5: my linux saying my drive is fucked :)
00:50:46	diddystar5	mmm k
00:52:14	diddystar5	thanks for fixing that linus!
00:52:28	LinusN	you're welcome
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01:03:21	BlackMountainCow	hi all!
01:03:24	LinusN	hi
01:03:33	BlackMountainCow	wow, the master himself!
01:03:38	LinusN	who?
01:03:45	BlackMountainCow	u!
01:03:49	LinusN	:-)
01:03:59	BlackMountainCow	amazing job dude!
01:04:20	LinusN	thanks
01:04:26	BlackMountainCow	i got just one short question ...
01:04:33	BlackMountainCow	if u don't mind
01:04:40	LinusN	shoot
01:05:16	BlackMountainCow	will seamless play ever be able on the rockbox? cause i'm listening to a lot of amiga tunes converted to mp3s and they r supposed to loop without gap to sound good
01:05:37	BlackMountainCow	and i didn't find anything in FAQ or mailinglist
01:05:40	LinusN	seamless play have been working on rockbox for ages
01:05:47	BlackMountainCow	what?
01:05:48	BlackMountainCow	how?
01:06:01	LinusN	you have to take care when you encode the mp3's
01:06:18	BlackMountainCow	u mean delete silence at end and start?
01:06:24	LinusN	not only that
01:06:36	BlackMountainCow	my ears r wide open ...
01:07:12	LinusN	if you really want seamless playback you have two options:
01:07:39	LinusN	1) Join the WAV files into one huge WAV, encode it and split the mp3 file afterwards
01:08:02	LinusN	2) Encode all WAV's at once with LAME using the −−nogap option
01:08:15	BlackMountainCow	jesus
01:08:27	BoD[]	what does the −−nogap option do ?
01:08:31	BlackMountainCow	wonder y i never thought of the no gap option
01:09:15	LinusN	BoD[]: LAME adds empty samples at the start and end of the tracks, but −−nogap prevents that
01:09:31	BoD[]	ah ok :) strange
01:09:40	BoD[]	why isn't it the default
01:10:00	BlackMountainCow	so if i have one file that i want to loop wihout gap the nogap will work, right?
01:10:17	LinusN	because the first samples will not be accurately played when the file is played standalone
01:10:28	BlackMountainCow	ah, ic
01:10:51	BoD[]	not accurately ?
01:11:04	LinusN	BlackMountainCow: well, if you want the file to loop by itself, you might have to fool LAME a little
01:11:18	BlackMountainCow	fool lame = :-)
01:11:24	BoD[]	ahh :)
01:11:32	BlackMountainCow	how can i fool lame?
01:11:48	LinusN	encode 3 identical copies of the same file and keep the middle one
01:12:02	*	LinusN is guessing here
01:12:11	BlackMountainCow	u're a smart ass dude ... nice idea
01:12:23	LinusN	i hope the file is small :-)
01:12:32	BoD[]	but you need an mp3 editing tool to cut it ?
01:12:36	BlackMountainCow	yeah, like 1.5 mb as WAV
01:13:04	BlackMountainCow	to max 7 mb as wav
01:13:25	BoD[]	blackmountaincow : what do you use to convert .mod => wav ?
01:13:31	LinusN	cp myfile myfile1.wav
01:13:33	LinusN	cp myfile myfile2.wav
01:13:34	LinusN	cp myfile myfile3.wav
01:13:53	LinusN	lame −−nogap myfile1.wav myfile2.wav myfile3.wav
01:13:54	BlackMountainCow	deliplayer
01:13:55	LinusN	(sort of)
01:14:09	LinusN	haven't done it myself
01:14:11	BlackMountainCow	cp = ?
01:14:24	BoD[]	ok
01:14:43	LinusN	cp == copy (linus style)
01:14:45	LinusN	linux
01:14:46	BlackMountainCow	BoD: deliplayer is the best free player for any old amiga / c64 / whatever tunes imo
01:14:54	BlackMountainCow	Linus: hehe, i c
01:15:01	BoD[]	blackmountain : i use Modplay :) i like it
01:15:13	BoD[]	doesn't play sid files though
01:15:33	BlackMountainCow	BoD: had that one before, but deliplayer has WAY more players build in. i guess round 270 now ...
01:15:39	BlackMountainCow	BoD: sid as well
01:16:02	BoD[]	well I like the "sound quality" of modplug
01:16:12	BlackMountainCow	Linus: if that works u put a big shine of light into my life :-D
01:16:20	BoD[]	but maybe deliplayr has that too :)
01:16:33	LinusN	BlackMountainCow: let me know how it works out
01:16:38	BlackMountainCow	BoD: deliplayer actually uses components of modplug, so the sound is the same
01:16:46	BoD[]	ahhhh :) ok
01:16:53	BoD[]	that figures
01:17:17	BlackMountainCow	Linus: sure! i tell u, if i ever get a credit card (what will happen next year) u're the first one to get a donation via paypal! my word on that!
01:17:27	BoD[]	ahahah :)
01:17:33	LinusN	:-)
01:18:05	BlackMountainCow	gimme a minute and i'll try that!
01:18:13	BoD[]	i wanted to convert my modules for a long time but never took the time to do it
01:18:22	BoD[]	maybe that's the ritht time
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01:18:40	BlackMountainCow	BoD: deliplayer has a batch function to convert all files at once = less work ;-)
01:18:41	tracktheripper	hello LinusN!!!!!!!!
01:18:49	BlackMountainCow	BRB
01:19:13	BoD[]	blackmountaincow : thanks for the tip :)
01:19:27	BoD[]	by the way ... mod don't well convert to mp3 !
01:19:32	LinusN	tracktheripper: hi
01:19:48	BoD[]	we would need a "pattern emulation" layer :)
01:20:21	tracktheripper	how are ya> :-)
01:20:25	tracktheripper	i like it when you are around
01:20:57	tracktheripper	Seriously LinusN You should be able to use your own pics for the Sliding Puzzle
01:20:58	tracktheripper	:-)
01:21:16	BlackMountainCow	BoD: well i can't hear any difference between the mod player and the mp3, those deliplayer guys do a hell of a job with emmulation and real players. go for www.deliplayer.com and see for yourself. and it's all FREE
01:21:28	LinusN	tracktheripper: sure, good idea
01:21:52	BoD[]	blackmountaincow : no you didn't understand me
01:22:04	BoD[]	i mean that a mp3 is linear
01:22:24	BoD[]	whereas mods can have loops and gotos
01:22:27	tracktheripper	LinusN what you could do is designate a folder and dump your pics into that
01:22:36	LinusN	sure
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01:22:56	tracktheripper	If it is possible would you have to resample them into 1bit images yourself?
01:23:04	BlackMountainCow	BoD: yeah, that's a prob sometimes. if the loops don't start at the beginning of the file ... u're right
01:23:05	tracktheripper	before placing them in the folder?
01:23:44	BoD[]	blackmountaincow : i think we could code something for that :) like a special playlist format
01:24:14	BoD[]	and by "we" i mean "somebody with the needed skills" ;)
01:24:20	tracktheripper	who came up with that canned response?
01:24:21	LinusN	tracktheripper: it would be a lot simpler if the user converts to 1-bit BMP before copying them to the folder
01:24:37	tracktheripper	thats what I just said LinusN
01:24:38	tracktheripper	:-)
01:24:55	tracktheripper	you can just use Paint to resample the piccies
01:25:00	BlackMountainCow	BoD: yeah, i have clues of all windows versions, but never ventured into coding ... bad thing ...
01:25:26	tracktheripper	Ive got batteries more powerful than 1500Mah!!!
01:25:27	tracktheripper	yay!
01:26:08	BoD[]	blackmountaincow : i know C ..but I'm sure working on rockbox needs a lot of commitment :)
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01:29:32	BoD[]	linusn : do you think it would be easyly implementable to have a new playing mode (in addition to repeat one/all/no repeat) ?
01:29:38	tracktheripper	LinusN?
01:30:10	LinusN	BoD[]: and that would be?
01:30:41	BoD[]	play first track once, then second track in loop
01:31:05	LinusN	for MOD play?
01:31:08	BoD[]	yes :)
01:31:30	BoD[]	because some of them have this behaviour (a beginning and then loops)
01:31:48	tracktheripper	LinusN you could reshuffle the playlist by waiting until the buffer is empty then reshuffling it
01:32:57	LinusN	tracktheripper: but then you would have a pause in the playback
01:33:23	tracktheripper	well that would only be a small sacrifice that not many would notice
01:34:02	LinusN	tracktheripper: i'm sure that we can solve that without a pause
01:34:25	BoD[]	solve what
01:34:29	LinusN	what i and zagor have been trying to tell you is just that is isn't all that simple
01:34:43	tracktheripper	oh
01:34:59	tracktheripper	there is a numberplate L1 NUS for sale �22,000
01:35:24	LinusN	:-)
01:35:35	tracktheripper	im not joking ill show u the link
01:35:40	BoD[]	22000� ... it's like 33500 eur
01:35:46	BoD[]	cheap
01:35:47	tracktheripper	http://www.newreg.co.uk/home/search/search_results.plate?sortby=initials&categorize=on&include=search&search_type=new&type_of_reg=Any&arrived_from=New+Search&registration=l1+nus
01:36:18	tracktheripper	LinusN Did u get the link?
01:37:24	LinusN	yeah, whenever i'm about to register a car in England, i'll definitely consider it :-)
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01:37:54	tracktheripper	;-)
01:38:00	tracktheripper	What does the N stand for?
01:38:02	tracktheripper	in LinusN?
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01:39:00	LinusN	tracktheripper: Nielsen
01:39:15	tracktheripper	oh right :-)
01:39:37	tracktheripper	"software tuner"
01:39:39	tracktheripper	LMFAO!!!!!!
01:40:26	BoD[]	so anyway linusn: that mod thing.. do you think it would be easy to implement ?
01:42:03	LinusN	i think so
01:42:50	BoD[]	even for a newcomer in rockbox (me) ?
01:44:12	BlackMountainCow	Linus & BoD: HELL YEAH!!!!! −−nogap with 3 files and keep middle + deletion of end/start silence = infinite loop without gap!!! YEAHHHHH!!!!!!!!
01:44:17	LinusN	the playlist code is not for the weak-hearted, though
01:44:32	LinusN	BlackMountainCow: rock'n'roll!!!
01:44:33	BlackMountainCow	I OWE U ONE MAN
01:44:36	BoD[]	cool :))
01:45:14	BlackMountainCow	now if u implement a feature that rockbox makes my mornign coffee the world is allright again ;-)
01:46:01	LinusN	with or without sugar?
01:46:12	BlackMountainCow	hehe, black as night
01:46:38	BlackMountainCow	BoD: if u make your mp3s keep that −−nogap and silence deletion in mind. i have to redo all my mp3s now ...
01:47:21	BlackMountainCow	Linus: ahm, may I ask something else, actually 2 things?
01:48:07	LinusN	sure
01:48:10	BlackMountainCow	thx
01:48:24	BoD[]	i won't forget the −−nogap :)
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01:49:03	BlackMountainCow	1: y does rockbox load a file over and over again if set to repeat one and the file is only 1 mb hughe? i mean, it's all in the memory, so y does rockbox load it again = waste of battery, isn't it?
01:50:09	LinusN	yes it is a waste, but the code is written that way. it tries to fit as many tracks in the memory as possible
01:50:35	LinusN	and it doesn't take into account that it loops
01:51:10	BlackMountainCow	is it worth trying to build that feature in or is that to nerdy for the few couple of amiga freaks ;-) ?
01:52:03	LinusN	it will actually be pretty tricky to do, the current code wasn't written with in-memory looping in mind
01:53:17	BlackMountainCow	hm. ic. i mean, is it worth filing a feature request for that or would it never be taken into consideration cause it's only for a few ppl out there?
01:53:57	LinusN	there is a request for that already (or was it a bug report?)
01:54:11	BlackMountainCow	and i know your time is way limited ...
01:54:30	BlackMountainCow	somebody requested that yet?
01:54:32	BlackMountainCow	hm
01:54:42	BlackMountainCow	gotta cheack that out
01:55:40	BlackMountainCow	ready for my second question?
01:55:50	LinusN	sure
01:55:54	BlackMountainCow	thx man
01:56:38	BoD[]	:)
01:57:35	BlackMountainCow	2: i filed a feature request (ages ago) about the repeat one mode. that if u click next/back once, u'll go to the start/end of the song like usual. BUT: if u press it twice, u jump to the next / before file. cause right now u have to press f3, change repeat, leave f3, skip, press f3 again, change mode, leave f3 again ... u get what i mean?
01:57:59	LinusN	oh you MOD player mainacs
01:58:14	BlackMountainCow	LOL :-)
01:58:26	BlackMountainCow	yes we are ... u can't get us dead ...
01:59:05	BoD[]	wait
01:59:17	BoD[]	what is the use of the next button when you are in "repeat one" ? none
01:59:21	BlackMountainCow	but i think it's not only for mod freaks, also for "normal" ppl that wanna listen to their current favourite song_S_ in repeat one mode
01:59:32	BlackMountainCow	next = beginning of track
01:59:36	BlackMountainCow	same like back
01:59:37	BoD[]	true
01:59:42	BlackMountainCow	that's the point i wanna say
01:59:51	BoD[]	and I totally agree with you :)
02:00
02:00:12	LinusN	yeah, i think next/prev could work like normal
02:00:12	BlackMountainCow	so what u think LinusN?
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02:00:25	BoD[]	if I press next, it should go to next song :) no matter what repeat mode you are
02:00:55	BlackMountainCow	yeah, or if u press it twice to point out that u're in repeat one mode
02:01:12	LinusN	no need imho
02:01:17	BoD[]	i vote pressing once
02:01:42	BlackMountainCow	hm. u're right, one press should be enoug. my prob is that my f3 button will be the first one to wear out ...
02:02:37	BlackMountainCow	and of course, the amiga geek inside me urges me a lot ... :-)
02:03:56	BlackMountainCow	LinusN: i checked the feature request but i can't fine one about the "loop with less than 1,5 mb file = batter waste" thing
02:04:28	BlackMountainCow	u sure that's been requested yet?
02:04:51	LinusN	check the bug reports
02:05:12	BlackMountainCow	k
02:07:46	BlackMountainCow	as far as i see: no
02:08:52	LinusN	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439118&aid=683292
02:09:13	BlackMountainCow	doh!
02:09:29	BlackMountainCow	i didn't look at sourceforge, just a the rockbox site
02:09:53	LinusN	it is listed at the rb site
02:10:23	LinusN	under "MP3 Playback"
02:10:45	BlackMountainCow	u're right, there it is. sorry my bad! i don't want to look bad or lazy here now!
02:11:21	BoD[]	:)
02:13:00	BlackMountainCow	so LinusN, withough wanting to lay any more pressure on u than u already got or to offend or piss u of: is there any chance of these 2 features getting implemented any time soon, where as the repeat change is more important than the battery waste i guess, at least with my 2000 bats
02:14:49	BlackMountainCow	BoD: u think that repeat one is more important as well?
02:16:11	BoD[]	of course it is !
02:16:17	BoD[]	very important :)
02:16:22	BlackMountainCow	hehe, thx
02:16:38	BoD[]	i always listen in repeat-1
02:16:44	BlackMountainCow	yap, me too
02:17:00	BoD[]	I never use no-repeat
02:17:12	BlackMountainCow	i only do for live concerts
02:17:23	BoD[]	my current firmware is one I modified to remove the no-repeat :)
02:17:59	BlackMountainCow	hehe ic
02:18:12	BoD[]	so i only have to press f2-right once to loop repeat-all/repeat-1
02:18:33	BlackMountainCow	nice job
02:19:15	BlackMountainCow	LinusN, r u still here?
02:19:34	LinusN	i am,
02:19:39	BlackMountainCow	k
02:21:06	BlackMountainCow	u know, i'm just asking, nothin more. and i know that i kinda don't have the right to ask, as i'm only a consumer of the rockbox and no coder or helper. and u already helped with the −−nogap option a lot!
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02:21:32	BoD[]	ahaha :)
02:21:57	BlackMountainCow	ahaha ?
02:22:06	BoD[]	don't worry
02:22:10	BoD[]	i'm sure it's fine
02:22:42	BlackMountainCow	u know it's the first time i'm on here so i dont wanna behave like a greedy bastard
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02:23:35	BoD[]	see it this way : by asking a enhancement, you give feedback, so, on some level you contribute to improve rockbox :)
02:23:43	BlackMountainCow	hm
02:23:45	BlackMountainCow	good point
02:24:17	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Bluechip
02:24:17	Bluechip	evenin' - i'm bored, anything interesting going down?
02:24:38	BoD[]	doing down ?
02:24:49	BoD[]	i mean : "going down ?"
02:25:03	Bluechip	erm, uk slang - happening
02:25:15	BoD[]	oh right :)
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02:25:40	BoD[]	bluechip : we were talking a bit about the behaviour of the next button when in repeat-one mode
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02:25:53	Bluechip	hmmm
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02:26:14	BoD[]	blackmountaincow and I think it should play next track
02:26:25	***	Alert Mode level 2
02:26:25	Bluechip	you oughta see the utterly blank look on my face - lol
02:26:40	BoD[]	why ?
02:26:56	***	Alert Mode level 3
02:26:56	Bluechip	cos i have no idea what it should do!!! LOL
02:27:13	BoD[]	it should go next :)
02:27:24	BlackMountainCow	ah, is it about the repeat one thing?
02:27:33	BlackMountainCow	cool
02:27:39	***	Alert Mode level 4
02:27:39	Bluechip	next track is where I was at as it was suggested, but if you have selected repeat only one, then maybe it should perform the same as prev - i skip to start
02:27:58	***	Alert Mode level 5
02:27:58	Bluechip	but that is pointless
02:28:04	***	Alert Mode level 6
02:28:04	Bluechip	arrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
02:28:24	thu	Bluechip: cut the colour
02:28:38	BoD[]	i like the colour
02:29:15	***	Alert Mode level 7
02:29:15	Bluechip	thu: any special reason for disliking colour
02:29:28	thu	Bluechip: you try reading blue text on a black background
02:29:39	BoD[]	right :)
02:29:43	***	Alert Mode level 8
02:29:43	Bluechip	ahh
02:29:44	BlackMountainCow	k guys, was fun and interesting (BoD: remeber −−nogap ;-) ) , cu later. 2.30 am here
02:29:53	BoD[]	−−nogap for ever ;)
02:29:57	BlackMountainCow	yeah!
02:29:58	BoD[]	hey wait blackmountaincow
02:29:59	LinusN	BlackMountainCow: here too
02:30:05	BoD[]	we're on the same tz !!
02:30:13	BlackMountainCow	me = germany
02:30:20	BoD[]	oh you're german ok.. i'm french
02:30:36	thu	Bluechip: say something
02:30:36	BlackMountainCow	well, bon nuit!
02:30:44	BlackMountainCow	is that right?
02:31:00	thu	bon nuit BlackMountainCow
02:31:04	thu	no
02:31:12	***	Alert Mode level 9
02:31:12	Bluechip	As changing colour is a pain right now, I will opt to say nothing and reduce the level of offence I am causing
02:31:14	BoD[]	bonne nuit :) guten nacht
02:31:27	thu	Bluechip: mmkay.. fixed for me
02:31:37	BlackMountainCow	damn, male and female. never udnerstood those at school ;-)
02:31:42	thu	I stripped mirc colours
02:31:53	thu	BlackMountainCow: the night is female.. I mean.. duh!
02:31:57	BlackMountainCow	LOL
02:32:08	BlackMountainCow	wish u told me that while still at school
02:32:32	BlackMountainCow	k, gotta get up tomorrow = today at 7, so LATER ALL, take care!
02:32:33	BoD[]	this sentence, taken out of context .... ;)
02:32:40	BlackMountainCow	:-)
02:32:40	BoD[]	bye :!
02:32:43	BlackMountainCow	later
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02:32:45	Bluechip	nite
02:32:54	BlackMountainCow	cu LinusN, thx for help and time!
02:33:01	LinusN	you're welcome
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02:33:27	*	thu looking for a movie
02:33:43	thu	bah p2p networks are no good.. slow and unreliable
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02:34:26	Bluechip	you could always pay for your stuff rather than pirate it?
02:34:57	BoD[]	i don't use the word "pirate"
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02:35:25	Bluechip	no, most pirates don't
02:35:26	thu	Bluechip: I'd be glad to rent it if any local video store would have it
02:35:33	thu	yarr
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02:35:38	Bluechip	lol
02:35:49	BoD[]	I mean ...
02:36:01	BoD[]	I don't call this copying "piracy", because that is a propaganda word. I don't think it is wrong to copy and share information. Governments can pass laws against it, but that does not make it wrong, just illegal.
02:36:14	thu	aye matey
02:36:43	thu	BoD[]: of course it's wrong.. think of all the starving artists
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02:37:06	Bluechip	anyways, I was after techie talk - i shall bid ye a good night all ;)
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02:37:26	BoD{{}}	did you get that?
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02:41:41	BoD[]	anyway;)
02:45:50	LinusN	time to sleep
02:45:57	LinusN	night
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03:48:47	earHurts	And so, we meet again, Bart.
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03:52:00	BoD[]	bart ?
03:55:29	earHurts	An allusion to an American comedy cartton, "The Simpsons"
03:55:57	BoD[]	thanks :)
03:56:06	earHurts	You're from .de?
03:56:10	BoD[]	who says that quote ?
03:56:16	BoD[]	no i'm .fr
03:56:33	earHurts	Sideshow Bob, a murderer
03:57:01	earHurts	Oh, I met several co-operants at your embassy in .us
03:57:01	BoD[]	oh right :))
03:57:22	BoD[]	heyyy you know what I think you already told me this :)
03:57:37	earHurts	I'm not very original.
03:57:51	BoD[]	:)
03:58:36	earHurts	I hope to limit my responses to the point that a bad ai program could sucessfully impersonate me
03:58:56	BoD[]	maybe you ARE an ai
03:59:29	earHurts	Can you elucidate on that?
03:59:36	BoD[]	ahahahha :)
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04:00:45	earHurts	What does ahahahha make you think of?
04:01:24	BoD[]	:)))
04:01:40	BoD[]	it's easier for a human to imitate an ai than the opposite
04:02:00	earHurts	That's what /they/ want us to think.
04:02:18	earHurts	So, what music do you listen to on rb?
04:02:36	BoD[]	wow a lot of different styles
04:02:46	earHurts	any classical?
04:03:01	BoD[]	hmmm nop except movie music (john williams and such)
04:03:11	BoD[]	i'm not sure it's "classical" ?
04:03:14	earHurts	ah, Star WArs
04:03:30	BoD[]	yes:)
04:03:48	BoD[]	i'm also a Michael Jackson fan
04:03:53	earHurts	are their any id3 tags you'd want besides those already on rb?
04:04:18	BoD[]	tags ? hmmm
04:04:26	earHurts	I've heard mj is very popular; that's probably why he's not to my liking
04:04:47	BoD[]	mj is a genius!
04:04:59	earHurts	maybe so.
04:05:18	earHurts	just doesn't much move me
04:05:24	BoD[]	maybe a tag for the number of times the song have been listened to ?
04:05:33	BoD[]	that could be cool :)
04:05:33	earHurts	ah.
04:05:52	earHurts	automatically updated?
04:05:59	BoD[]	of course:)
04:06:16	earHurts	when the song starts, or when it ends?
04:06:53	BoD[]	ends
04:07:09	BoD[]	because otherwise it would update even when you listen just the begining
04:07:20	earHurts	hm. that means extra disk accesses
04:07:52	BoD[]	true
04:07:55	earHurts	which means shorter battery life
04:08:16	earHurts	which I would mind less if I had a recorder
04:08:26	BoD[]	that would need to be a desactivable feature;)
04:08:35	earHurts	definitely
04:08:59	BoD[]	what other tags would you see?
04:09:14	earHurts	well, classical wants extra tags
04:09:35	earHurts	composer, band, conductor, opus, catalog number
04:09:38	BoD[]	like what
04:09:41	BoD[]	oh right
04:10:04	BoD[]	but are you sure it's possible to "add" tags ?
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04:10:19	BoD[]	i mean does the id3 spec permit this
04:10:20	earHurts	they're in the id3 specification
04:10:33	BoD[]	ohh they're already there!
04:10:40	earHurts	and adding a non-standard tag is easy
04:10:50	earHurts	well, for version 2
04:10:56	BoD[]	ok
04:11:01	earHurts	version 1, you can't
04:11:13	BoD[]	so you would like rockbox to support them ?
04:11:14	earHurts	version 1 is very limited
04:11:37	earHurts	well, I already got composer added when my patch was accepted
04:11:48	earHurts	but I have another idea now
04:11:59	BoD[]	i guess it is easy to add the other ones :)
04:12:01	earHurts	let the user specify any tag he wants
04:12:09	earHurts	hi tpe
04:12:15	BoD[]	how ?
04:12:28	earHurts	by adding the tags from the wps
04:15:15	BoD[]	how would you add new tags in the .wps file ?
04:16:45	earHurts	just be specift the id3 tag name
04:17:09	earHurts	currently we use %ia for artist
04:17:58	earHurts	insteas we'd use %iT[TIT2] for artist
04:18:36	earHurts	well, actuallt tit2 is title
04:19:02	BoD[]	ok
04:19:12	BoD[]	tags in id3 are strings?
04:19:18	earHurts	yes
04:19:47	earHurts	the spec calls for 4 characters in the latest spec
04:19:59	BoD[]	only 4 ?
04:20:22	BoD[]	it's a bit silly :)
04:20:24	earHurts	earlier specs use 3, and microsoft uses WM/howevermanytheywant
04:21:15	BoD[]	i heard once that the ogg vorbis equivalent is much better
04:21:26	earHurts	well, using just capital letters that's 456976 possible tags
04:21:56	BoD[]	yeah but what's the point
04:22:23	earHurts	how do you mean?
04:23:28	BoD[]	i mean it's better to have a long but precise label
04:24:00	earHurts	oh, the tags are reasonably precise
04:24:19	earHurts	they're just not meant to be read by humans.
04:24:30	BoD[]	yeah well :)
04:24:33	earHurts	which is a drawback of my scheme
04:35:02	BoD[]	i go to bed now!
04:35:05	BoD[]	see you all
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05:45:24	tpelliott	What's going on this evening?
05:48:25	earHurts	hey tpe
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06:05:26	tpelliott	Not much activity here tonght.
06:06:40	tpelliott	I'm listening to my Archos, trying to run the batteries down befor I charge it.
06:07:16	tpelliott	That's why I like having the digital out.....sounds great.
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06:18:05	tpelliott	Not much going on here tonight.
06:18:47	earHurts	did you get cygwin installed?
06:19:03	earHurts	and running rockbox compile?
06:19:23	tpelliott	Yes but not all the Rockbox stuff.
06:20:12	tpelliott	I'll do that later. For now, I'll leave the programming and compiling to the programmers.
06:20:20	earHurts	ah, you're 80% of the way to the pride of your own build
06:20:42	tpelliott	Cool.
06:20:50	earHurts	but then you won't be able to pick and chose patches
06:21:14	tpelliott	I'm not sure I have the stuff to log into cvs.
06:22:27	earHurts	anon login
06:22:47	tpelliott	Yes.
06:22:52	earHurts	oh, the software? cygwin standard
06:23:49	tpelliott	Should I have it under /home/rockbox?
06:24:14	earHurts	cvs?
06:24:21	tpelliott	Yes
06:24:26	earHurts	it should be in your cygwin path
06:24:38	earHurts	start cygwin' type cvs to see
06:29:20	tpelliott	command not found
06:29:20	earHurts	hmph
06:29:20	earHurts	did I install it??
06:29:20	tpelliott	I guess I didn't
06:29:20	earHurts	+9 049-
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06:29:20	earHurts	no prob
06:29:20	earHurts	start the cygwin installer, select the developers tools
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06:29:20	earHurts	"Devel"
06:32:34	tpelliott	I don't understand the installer. Across the top, it has options: Keep, Prev, Cun, Exp, View (button)
06:33:22	earHurts	it is confusing
06:34:03	tpelliott	ok. Looks like I'm viewing "Not Installed"
06:34:11	earHurts	you probably want cur, the current files, rather than exp, experimental
06:34:42	tpelliott	ok.
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06:35:18	eZZo	heyas :D
06:35:20	earHurts	click cur, then click the the circular arrows next to devel
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06:35:29	earHurts	until you get install
06:35:54	earHurts	the make sure cvs isn't set to skip
06:36:02	earHurts	he ezzo
06:36:03	tpelliott	ok.
06:36:22	eZZo	when someone ha a sec..I have a dumb Q for yas ;)
06:36:34	earHurts	no dum questions
06:36:44	earHurts	only dumb people :)
06:36:47	tpelliott	What's Bin?, SRC?
06:36:47	eZZo	you might wanna hold that thought ;)
06:36:51	eZZo	ok..that is better
06:37:36	earHurts	bin is executable, src is source code
06:38:00	earHurts	get the bin unless you need/want to hack on it
06:38:09	eZZo	I hadn't updated my Rockbox for a while..actually I wasn;t in posession of my JB Studio 20 for quite some time...and I noticed something on the daily builds page that is confusing me...
06:38:19	earHurts	ezzo, wassa q?
06:38:23	tpelliott	ok. I'll get the bin
06:38:38	earHurts	easiest to get the bin
06:38:41	eZZo	why are there (rocks) files listed next to the jukebox DL's when they are not supported?
06:39:05	ClosetPacifist	they are supported?
06:39:10	earHurts	they're supported in the daily build
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06:39:25	earHurts	get the daily
06:40:07	eZZo	I tried checking FAQ..saw nothing but they werent supported
06:40:25	eZZo	I have the daily and they don;t run..
06:40:34	eZZo	I got curious and tried..
06:40:37	eZZo	:-D
06:40:38	earHurts	do you have the rocks?
06:40:43	eZZo	yeh
06:40:52	earHurts	are they in /rockbox/rocks
06:41:03	tpelliott	I think you have to have them in .rockbox/rocks/
06:41:08	eZZo	.rockbox/rocks
06:41:14	earHurts	yeah, .
06:41:15	eZZo	or rockbox/rocks
06:41:23	eZZo	ok..gotta shuffle..one sec ;)
06:41:39	tpelliott	The leading period is very important
06:41:59	eZZo	yeah I have that...you get errors playing files if you dont
06:42:52	earHurts	go to menulcredits
06:43:42	eZZo	?
06:43:48	earHurts	menu
06:44:00	earHurts	f1 on the recorder or fm
06:44:12	eZZo	no...studio ;
06:44:56	earHurts	whatever menu is for you, then Version
06:45:19	eZZo	tyeah
06:45:32	earHurts	what's the version number?
06:45:53	eZZo	030716
06:46:07	eZZo	todays
06:46:15	earHurts	hmph
06:46:35	tpelliott	I selected everything. It will take a while.
06:46:44	earHurts	what happens if you
06:47:00	earHurts	games don't run on studios, do they?
06:47:16	eZZo	they are the demos..
06:47:27	eZZo	if you go to daily builds...
06:47:30	earHurts	yeah, i was surprised you got cygwin so fast last night
06:47:42	tpelliott	ok.
06:47:58	earHurts	what happens when you go to menu demos some demo?
06:48:00	eZZo	there are (rocks) for the player dls
06:48:16	earHurts	i was gonna get cable, tpe
06:48:39	eZZo	there is no DEMO option
06:48:57	earHurts	what error msg do you get when you play a rock?
06:49:08	tpelliott	I love cable. I've had it 3 and a half years.
06:49:13	eZZo	first I have to "view all files"
06:49:16	earHurts	tpe: i have dsl
06:49:39	tpelliott	Not good service?
06:49:42	eZZo	then when I play a rock I get.."Incompatable Model"
06:49:49	earHurts	good enough
06:49:51	earHurts	oh
06:50:03	earHurts	download today's rocks
06:50:12	tpelliott	The player dosen't have enough screen space for the games as designed.
06:50:18	eZZo	that is what I have
06:51:02	eZZo	tpelliot...that is why I am trying to figure out why the rocks files are there with the player files?
06:51:18	tpelliott	Not sure.
06:51:32	eZZo	http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml
06:51:40	earHurts	got me. email the list.
06:51:53	eZZo	player.mod (rocks) recorder.mod(rocks) etc
06:51:59	tpelliott	Make sure you get a new set of rocks when you get your daily build
06:52:18	eZZo	bot rocks and mod are todays
06:52:21	eZZo	both even
06:52:51	tpelliott	Besides that, you may want to post a question for the developers on the mailing list.
06:53:06	eZZo	gonna go check it in a moment
06:53:12	eZZo	thanks :D
06:53:26	earHurts	sorry, man
06:53:31	tpelliott	There's a new discussion about flashing the player. \
06:53:44	eZZo	np
06:54:22	tpelliott	I almost got the player. I wasn't sure I would need to record.
06:54:47	earHurts	i figured i'd get the best
06:55:09	tpelliott	Me too. The FM wasn't out yet.
06:55:10	earHurts	then i'd have longer before it was obsolete
06:55:26	earHurts	fm batteries are a pain
06:55:33	earHurts	and no digi out
06:55:46	tpelliott	I would hate that.
06:55:52	earHurts	so you may have the best anyway
06:56:04	tpelliott	I'm listening to the digital out now and it sounds great.
06:56:09	earHurts	i hate that archos claims it does
06:56:29	tpelliott	What's the digital in cinnector?
06:56:32	earHurts	i just play from my pc if i want digi out
06:56:45	earHurts	huh?
06:57:11	tpelliott	How do you use the digital in (for recording)
06:57:21	tpelliott	What type of plug?
06:57:36	earHurts	just plug in your typical rca plug
06:58:01	tpelliott	On the Archos side, I mean
06:58:02	earHurts	i've never recorded from anything but the internal mic
06:58:13	earHurts	got me
06:58:29	earHurts	nothing to record
06:58:45	tpelliott	I'm just curious. Mine has a stereo mini jack. One side is input and the other side is output.
06:59:33	earHurts	it's got a line in, looks like a headphone jack
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07:00:34	tpelliott	ok. Mine has an analog line in on the bottom and a digital in/out on the top, opposite the headphone jack.
07:01:15	earHurts	crap
07:01:24	tpelliott	I haven't used the digital in much myself. Just test from ny digital cable TV.
07:01:37	earHurts	and your batteries last 14 hours
07:02:07	tpelliott	Not really. It displays 11 hours.
07:02:26	tpelliott	I bought a set but they are only 1600 mha
07:02:32	earHurts	oh, mine /displays/ 1q hours
07:02:39	earHurts	11
07:03:07	earHurts	I gotta get some sleep tpe
07:03:14	earHurts	have a good night
07:03:26	tpelliott	I may get the newer 2200 mha NiNH's when I read more reviews.
07:03:41	earHurts	sigh
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07:03:46	tpelliott	ok. Good night. Thanks for the help.
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12:22:36	tracktheripper	hi bob
12:24:38	bobTHC	my isp makes me crazy, dns work once on ten
12:25:16	tracktheripper	who is your isp?
12:25:21	bobTHC	wanadoo
12:25:25	tracktheripper	and what kind of connection do you have?
12:25:36	tracktheripper	is it dialup, cable, dsl or sattelite?
12:25:47	bobTHC	ADSL 1024/256
12:26:09	tracktheripper	yea i have ADSL 512/256
12:26:13	tracktheripper	works every time :-)
12:26:39	tracktheripper	nice upgrade from dial-up
12:27:10	bobTHC	the connection works fine but it's the dns service who sucks, they have ddos attack regulary on it
12:27:21	tracktheripper	oh
12:27:27	tracktheripper	get a firewall then
12:28:13	bobTHC	ddos are on wanadoo DNS server not on my lan
12:28:30	tracktheripper	oh
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13:15:03	Lynx0	hi
13:33:52	dwihno	ho
13:40:59	Lynx0	Linus fixed the filesystem bug i had :-)
13:49:10	bobTHC	what the deal with this bug?
13:49:25	bobTHC	ata.c bug ?
13:52:20	bobTHC	sorry fat.c
13:55:07	Lynx0	yes, that fat.c one
13:55:32	bobTHC	ok, i've see the diff in the cvs tree
13:56:05	Lynx0	diff?
13:56:18	bobTHC	http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rockbox/firmware/drivers/fat.c.diff?r1=1.75&r2=1.76
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22:10:23	Neo	hey
22:10:31	Neo	anyone here kno about romobox?
22:10:35	Neo	*rombox
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22:35:26	BoD[]	hello!
22:35:35	TheDoctor	hey i've got a problem patching the car ignition auto stop...
22:36:28	TheDoctor	i patched it but theres an error in the settings_menu.c
22:37:09	TheDoctor	saying: in function'car_adapter_mode':
22:37:35	TheDoctor	:54 incompatible type for argument 3 of 'set_option'
22:40:34	TheDoctor	does anyone know what exactly it means
22:40:34	TheDoctor	depending code: rc = set_option( str(LANG_CAR_ADAPTER_MODE),
22:40:42	TheDoctor	&value, options, 2,
22:40:50	TheDoctor	set_car_adapter_mode);
22:41:54	TheDoctor	Is anyone here who can help
22:41:57	BoD[]	sorry i can't
22:44:10	TheDoctor	isn't anybody els here??? grmpf..
22:44:32	TheDoctor	do you have an idea where to ask
22:46:01	BoD[]	in the mailing list
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22:50:28	TheDoctor	is the language called c???
22:51:32	ILuvit	Hi guys
22:51:32	TheDoctor	or how is it called??<−−progamming language
22:51:32	TheDoctor	hey luv it!
22:52:36	TheDoctor	are you a developer??
22:52:36	BoD[]	the language is C
22:52:36	TheDoctor	^hx
22:52:36	ILuvit	yau guys bib a great job for Archos
22:52:36	BoD[]	"the C programming language" :)
22:52:36	TheDoctor	@luvit ???
22:53:22	TheDoctor	are you a rockboxer??
22:53:22	ILuvit	rockbox is great
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22:54:44	TheDoctor	can yo� help me find out why i got : too few argument in...
22:55:06	ILuvit	is there any work going on for a remote for the FM Recorder ?
22:55:28	TheDoctor	no car ignition auto power off...
22:56:13	TheDoctor	i got incompatible type for argument 3 of 'set_option
22:56:30	TheDoctor	here−−-> &value, options, 2, set_car_adapter_mode);
22:56:44	TheDoctor	why
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23:06:18	Guest57	is there a flash rockbox version for the player now ?? thanks
23:07:22	tpelliott	Not yet. They're working on it.
23:08:12	Guest57	ok
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23:43:20	ILuvit	if i wanted to make a remote for my FM Recorder, how do i determin kind of command the recorder responds to ?
23:45:28	ILuvit	any ideas guys?
23:45:50	BoD[]	sorry no idea
23:46:18	ILuvit	k
23:58:08	BoD[]	compiling with cygwin on my athlon box is VERY slow
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