| 00:02:03 | elinenbe | well, I went away for a few weeks, and now we have plugins. I guess I can finally port Quake. |
| 00:02:16 | scott666 | go for it! |
| 00:09:15 | tracktheripper | well all I want is ID3 tag editing, better file management and timestretching |
| 00:10:07 | Unseen2 | Changing the playback speed of a file without changing pitch? |
| 00:10:16 | tracktheripper | ye |
| 00:10:30 | tracktheripper | There is 2 types of timestretching |
| 00:10:42 | tracktheripper | 1) Changing the playback speed without changing the pitch |
| 00:10:51 | tracktheripper | 2) Changing the pitch without changing the playback speed |
| 00:10:58 | Unseen2 | I don't think that's possible without detailed programming information for the MAS. |
| 00:11:30 | tracktheripper | its theoretically possible since you are simply keeping the pitch constant whilst changing playback speed |
| 00:14:23 | | Quit _aLF ("bye") |
| 00:14:50 | * | Unseen2 is stupid - I just inserted the electronics of the JBR backwards into the outer shell. =( |
| 00:15:18 | scott666 | lol |
| 00:15:45 | Unseen2 | Well, at least I'm getting practiced at removing and reinserting those d**n bumpers. |
| 00:16:18 | scott666 | the bumpers aren't even a problem on the FMR :-) |
| 00:17:23 | Unseen2 | Maybe, but I wouldn't want one - I like the remote. |
| 00:18:34 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 00:24:31 | Unseen2 | Wow, it still works... Didn't expect that... |
| 00:27:04 | scott666 | i know the feeling |
| 00:44:34 | scott666 | hey, i have a question about setting up the windows sdk |
| 00:45:33 | scott666 | #9 on http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html doesnt seem to work...did i miss something? |
| 00:53:11 | | Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") |
| 00:53:53 | Zagor | scott666: what happens when you try it? |
| 00:57:20 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:00 |
| 01:12:29 | scott666 | 'no such file or directory' |
| 01:13:00 | scott666 | for the ../tools/configure part |
| 01:31:45 | Zagor | sounds like you're in the wrong dir then |
| 01:32:01 | | Quit Unseen2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:32:18 | scott666 | im in ~/build-dir |
| 01:32:31 | Zagor | you should be in ~/rockbox/build-dir |
| 01:32:47 | scott666 | ahh |
| 01:33:17 | scott666 | it doesnt say that in #9, at least not clearly enough |
| 01:34:06 | Zagor | ok. tell roland, so he can fix it |
| 01:34:06 | elinenbe | hardeep and ricII: excellent work on the dynamic playlist patch, I love it! |
| 01:34:58 | hardeep | elinenbe: heh, thanks |
| 01:36:20 | | Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") |
| 01:40:27 | scott666 | zagor: i am in rockbox/build-dir |
| 01:43:07 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (LaLaLaLaLa@AC994DC0.ipt.aol.com) |
| 01:43:22 | midknight2k3 | hello |
| 01:43:28 | scott666 | hey |
| 01:43:55 | Zagor | scott666: still doesn't work? |
| 01:44:03 | midknight2k3 | hey Zagor |
| 01:44:07 | Zagor | hi |
| 01:44:15 | scott666 | yeah |
| 01:44:42 | scott666 | just to check, i should be in home\rockbox |
| 01:44:56 | scott666 | *home\rockbox\build-dir, right? |
| 01:45:07 | Zagor | yup |
| 01:45:18 | midknight2k3 | scott is compiling! yay |
| 01:45:19 | midknight2k3 | :) |
| 01:45:28 | scott666 | no scott isnt, and thats the problem |
| 01:45:35 | midknight2k3 | lol\ |
| 01:45:41 | midknight2k3 | scott is trying to learn to compile |
| 01:45:44 | scott666 | i dont see any 'configure' in rockbox |
| 01:45:48 | scott666 | damn \ |
| 01:45:53 | scott666 | *rockbox\tools |
| 01:46:05 | midknight2k3 | you must unpack the tools then |
| 01:46:08 | midknight2k3 | and put them in there |
| 01:46:09 | scott666 | i did |
| 01:46:15 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 01:46:19 | midknight2k3 | try again |
| 01:46:21 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:46:27 | Zagor | so what's in there? |
| 01:46:47 | midknight2k3 | all 4 cept configure? |
| 01:46:53 | midknight2k3 | that happened to me once |
| 01:46:58 | midknight2k3 | i think lol |
| 01:47:26 | midknight2k3 | Zagor: what are these write rights i hear about? |
| 01:47:32 | Zagor | ? |
| 01:47:42 | scott666 | bmp2rb.exe, convbdf.exe, descramble.exe, scramble.exe, and sh2d.exe |
| 01:48:07 | midknight2k3 | someone said to me they hope i dont have write rights or something |
| 01:48:14 | midknight2k3 | it was idc dragon i remember |
| 01:48:23 | Zagor | they probably meant cvs commit access |
| 01:48:32 | midknight2k3 | meaning? |
| 01:48:43 | scott666 | you can add to the official rockbox code |
| 01:48:43 | Zagor | scott666: there should be more files. try unzipping the file again |
| 01:49:07 | midknight2k3 | scott, was that directed at me? |
| 01:49:12 | midknight2k3 | i don't understand |
| 01:49:42 | scott666 | yeah, it was |
| 01:49:57 | midknight2k3 | i can add to official rockbox code? |
| 01:50:18 | midknight2k3 | so what does that have to do anything? the way i see it, (no offense) "duh" |
| 01:50:19 | scott666 | if you have comit access |
| 01:50:35 | midknight2k3 | and so i can't? |
| 01:50:38 | scott666 | no |
| 01:51:10 | scott666 | (correct me if im wrong) if you have comit access you can add code without it getting approved by anyone |
| 01:51:30 | scott666 | it just goes in |
| 01:52:01 | midknight2k3 | so i have to (for example) ask zagor if i can modify something ot see if it works? |
| 01:52:05 | midknight2k3 | ot=to |
| 01:52:15 | scott666 | no |
| 01:52:25 | midknight2k3 | i can't submit a patch? |
| 01:52:30 | scott666 | no, you can |
| 01:52:43 | midknight2k3 | so how does the commit access affect me? |
| 01:52:43 | Zagor | don't worry, you don't have commit access |
| 01:52:50 | midknight2k3 | meaning? |
| 01:52:51 | scott666 | but if you need comit access to comit the patch to the cvs |
| 01:53:00 | midknight2k3 | sigh lol |
| 01:53:02 | scott666 | err |
| 01:53:08 | Zagor | meaning you cannot submit changes to cvs |
| 01:53:15 | scott666 | *If you have |
| 01:53:23 | scott666 | no |
| 01:53:26 | scott666 | *but you need |
| 01:53:35 | midknight2k3 | but that's no big deal? |
| 01:53:42 | scott666 | not really |
| 01:53:44 | midknight2k3 | i can do what i want and just keep it to myself right? |
| 01:53:50 | midknight2k3 | unless i want to let everyone use it |
| 01:53:53 | scott666 | and you can submit patches |
| 01:53:56 | midknight2k3 | in which case i do a patch |
| 01:53:59 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 01:54:07 | midknight2k3 | so im safe to modify a bit of rockbox code? |
| 01:54:22 | Zagor | yes |
| 01:54:32 | midknight2k3 | thank god lol |
| 01:56:05 | scott666 | zagor: i redownloaded rockbox-tools.tar.bz2 and re-unzipped it. same files |
| 01:56:23 | midknight2k3 | very very odd |
| 01:57:15 | Zagor | seems roland missed some files when he made that file. grab them from the official source file instead. |
| 01:57:31 | scott666 | and i do that...how? |
| 01:57:42 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:57:48 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/rockbox-daily-20030723.tar.gz |
| 01:58:01 | scott666 | oh |
| 01:58:03 | scott666 | lol |
| 01:58:05 | scott666 | i did that |
| 01:58:50 | scott666 | so i should copy the files with no extensions, yes? |
| 01:59:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:25 | scott666 | ok, now it works |
| 02:03:31 | Zagor | good |
| 02:04:12 | scott666 | should the source be in its own subdirectory in \rockbox, or should i just unzip it into \rockbox? |
| 02:04:43 | Zagor | it should be in rockobx |
| 02:06:05 | scott666 | ok |
| 02:06:20 | | Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) |
| 02:06:32 | BoD[] | hello! |
| 02:07:18 | scott666 | hi |
| 02:10:32 | scott666 | should the configure file still ask if you want games and demos now that we have the plugin loader? |
| 02:10:53 | Zagor | no, but we haven't removed that yet. |
| 02:11:13 | midknight2k3 | hey bod |
| 02:11:23 | midknight2k3 | bod |
| 02:11:27 | midknight2k3 | i mean scott |
| 02:11:29 | scott666 | does it matter what i answer? |
| 02:11:36 | midknight2k3 | no never mind |
| 02:11:42 | | Join earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-138-88-116-122.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:12:10 | BoD[] | ?! |
| 02:12:17 | midknight2k3 | earhurts |
| 02:12:19 | midknight2k3 | how mice |
| 02:12:23 | midknight2k3 | nothing bod |
| 02:12:24 | scott666 | mice? |
| 02:12:28 | midknight2k3 | how nice |
| 02:12:29 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:12:32 | earHurts | three button |
| 02:12:52 | midknight2k3 | i bet |
| 02:12:56 | scott666 | with a scroll wheel?? |
| 02:13:00 | earHurts | yup |
| 02:13:11 | earHurts | I likes my wheel |
| 02:13:12 | midknight2k3 | woohoo |
| 02:13:21 | midknight2k3 | i have a 4 button mouse |
| 02:13:24 | midknight2k3 | with wheel |
| 02:13:28 | midknight2k3 | aka intellimouse optical |
| 02:13:38 | midknight2k3 | and a super keyboard, aka logitech elite |
| 02:13:45 | earHurts | that must suck, midk |
| 02:14:11 | midknight2k3 | i bet it does |
| 02:14:13 | earHurts | having a mouse that's smarter than you |
| 02:14:14 | midknight2k3 | but it doesn't |
| 02:14:16 | midknight2k3 | hey |
| 02:14:17 | * | earHurts ducks |
| 02:14:21 | midknight2k3 | it doesn't know C |
| 02:14:22 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:14:22 | scott666 | haha\ |
| 02:14:42 | BoD[] | i have a *GREAT* IBM ps/2 keyboard |
| 02:14:56 | BoD[] | it weights like 12k :) |
| 02:15:05 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:15:06 | midknight2k3 | 12k? |
| 02:15:12 | scott666 | kilos |
| 02:15:13 | midknight2k3 | um |
| 02:15:13 | earHurts | geek sizing |
| 02:15:19 | midknight2k3 | right |
| 02:15:23 | BoD[] | hm? |
| 02:16:51 | earHurts | is there any alignment restriction for char []? |
| 02:16:52 | scott666 | now i just have to remember C... |
| 02:17:17 | midknight2k3 | lol scott |
| 02:17:20 | midknight2k3 | do you know it? |
| 02:17:29 | midknight2k3 | if not it's simple to get the basic idea |
| 02:17:41 | scott666 | i took a C++ class in school last year |
| 02:18:18 | earHurts | c++ allows you to do a lot |
| 02:18:29 | scott666 | and C? |
| 02:19:00 | earHurts | c also |
| 02:19:09 | earHurts | but c++ allows a bit more |
| 02:19:37 | scott666 | are there any differences in syntax? |
| 02:19:47 | earHurts | that in c you'd have to do manually and thus error prone |
| 02:19:58 | earHurts | somw minor differences |
| 02:20:00 | midknight2k3 | i feel left out |
| 02:20:06 | midknight2k3 | i know little C |
| 02:20:40 | scott666 | i know no C but got an A in C++...so learning C should be easy right? |
| 02:20:54 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 02:20:59 | midknight2k3 | look around C files |
| 02:21:03 | midknight2k3 | pretty simple to learn |
| 02:21:32 | scott666 | god 'make' takes a long time |
| 02:21:34 | BoD[] | midnight : did you manage to do the stuff you wanted to do ? |
| 02:21:51 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 02:21:51 | earHurts | yes, scott |
| 02:21:52 | midknight2k3 | so far |
| 02:21:56 | midknight2k3 | i want though |
| 02:22:00 | midknight2k3 | to make a new peak meter |
| 02:22:03 | midknight2k3 | is my goal for later |
| 02:22:11 | scott666 | i want games |
| 02:22:14 | scott666 | lots of games |
| 02:22:17 | midknight2k3 | there's 10 already! |
| 02:22:17 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:22:20 | scott666 | 7 |
| 02:22:26 | midknight2k3 | close enough ;) |
| 02:22:29 | scott666 | and thats not enough! |
| 02:22:31 | midknight2k3 | 8 |
| 02:22:34 | scott666 | i beat star |
| 02:22:38 | midknight2k3 | there's snake which aint in the menu |
| 02:22:40 | midknight2k3 | you did? |
| 02:22:44 | BoD[] | snake is GOOD |
| 02:22:45 | scott666 | yeah |
| 02:22:49 | BoD[] | it should be in the menu |
| 02:22:49 | scott666 | snake? |
| 02:22:53 | midknight2k3 | i cant get past that one level where theres like 8 up and down in a row |
| 02:22:57 | scott666 | what about worm? |
| 02:22:58 | midknight2k3 | its not bod |
| 02:23:00 | BoD[] | it reminds me of Triton's FC Nibbles |
| 02:23:05 | midknight2k3 | yeay! |
| 02:23:06 | scott666 | OH |
| 02:23:11 | BoD[] | i mean FT nibbles ;) |
| 02:23:12 | scott666 | i know what youre talking about |
| 02:23:21 | midknight2k3 | i cant do it |
| 02:23:29 | BoD[] | best game ever |
| 02:23:30 | midknight2k3 | it gets hard, that game |
| 02:23:34 | midknight2k3 | star i mean |
| 02:23:36 | scott666 | when did that get into daily builds? |
| 02:23:45 | midknight2k3 | a long time ago |
| 02:23:51 | midknight2k3 | 4 days after plugin loader? |
| 02:23:52 | midknight2k3 | perhaps |
| 02:24:00 | scott666 | not star |
| 02:24:04 | scott666 | snkae |
| 02:24:07 | midknight2k3 | snake |
| 02:24:07 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 02:24:10 | midknight2k3 | right away |
| 02:24:13 | scott666 | oh |
| 02:24:17 | midknight2k3 | a few days after plugin loader came |
| 02:24:19 | scott666 | then why the hell isnt it in the menu? |
| 02:24:30 | midknight2k3 | it's just not put there yet |
| 02:24:37 | midknight2k3 | i dont know |
| 02:24:58 | scott666 | can you go through walls? |
| 02:25:05 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 02:25:06 | midknight2k3 | its snake |
| 02:25:07 | scott666 | like to the other side of the screen |
| 02:25:08 | midknight2k3 | not snake 2 |
| 02:25:13 | midknight2k3 | :( |
| 02:25:16 | scott666 | lol ok |
| 02:25:21 | midknight2k3 | but probably simple to code to go thru walls |
| 02:25:47 | scott666 | this is really slow |
| 02:25:50 | scott666 | i can type while playing |
| 02:25:56 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:25:58 | midknight2k3 | change speed |
| 02:26:08 | BoD[] | true snake should have a "wrap" option ;) |
| 02:26:13 | BoD[] | to go thru walls |
| 02:26:17 | earHurts | don't boast of your ability to type with one hand |
| 02:26:19 | scott666 | does it get faster on its own? |
| 02:26:20 | earHurts | :) |
| 02:26:24 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 02:26:33 | midknight2k3 | change speed by restarting it then pressing UP till the number is 9 |
| 02:26:35 | Zagor | bed time |
| 02:26:36 | | Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") |
| 02:26:38 | midknight2k3 | bye zagor |
| 02:26:45 | midknight2k3 | not even time to say nite lol |
| 02:27:01 | midknight2k3 | wish i could port alex4 to rockbox :D |
| 02:27:22 | scott666 | im thinking about making asteroids |
| 02:27:29 | midknight2k3 | please do |
| 02:27:32 | midknight2k3 | to test your skills |
| 02:27:34 | scott666 | or breakout |
| 02:27:35 | midknight2k3 | and to let me have fun |
| 02:27:36 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:27:40 | midknight2k3 | breakout yeah |
| 02:27:44 | midknight2k3 | do that first :D |
| 02:27:55 | scott666 | gotta get all the games ipod has so i can piss off my friend |
| 02:27:55 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:28:01 | midknight2k3 | loool |
| 02:28:05 | midknight2k3 | probably possible |
| 02:28:06 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:28:16 | midknight2k3 | but solitaire is grayscale so probably not possible |
| 02:28:17 | scott666 | yeah breakout would be easy |
| 02:28:20 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 02:28:22 | midknight2k3 | and fun |
| 02:28:22 | scott666 | no |
| 02:28:23 | midknight2k3 | :D |
| 02:28:26 | scott666 | not solitare |
| 02:28:30 | midknight2k3 | why not lol |
| 02:28:33 | scott666 | thatd be impossible |
| 02:28:53 | BoD[] | tetris should could be improved a bit |
| 02:28:58 | midknight2k3 | why |
| 02:28:58 | scott666 | yeah |
| 02:28:59 | midknight2k3 | and how |
| 02:29:13 | BoD[] | the pieces are too "dark" |
| 02:29:20 | midknight2k3 | um |
| 02:29:20 | BoD[] | and small :) |
| 02:29:24 | scott666 | it should have a replay option when it ends so you dont have to reload the plugin |
| 02:29:26 | midknight2k3 | you can't control the shading |
| 02:29:31 | midknight2k3 | it's black or white |
| 02:29:34 | midknight2k3 | no grayscale |
| 02:29:41 | scott666 | you can put dots in the middle |
| 02:29:46 | midknight2k3 | that's gay |
| 02:29:52 | midknight2k3 | then it looks like you left a spot open |
| 02:29:53 | scott666 | youre gay |
| 02:29:55 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:30:01 | scott666 | you have a solid outline |
| 02:30:04 | midknight2k3 | i guess i should go then |
| 02:30:19 | scott666 | the gameboy tetris had dots, fuck |
| 02:30:29 | midknight2k3 | its also grayscale |
| 02:30:31 | midknight2k3 | duh |
| 02:30:34 | BoD[] | exactly |
| 02:30:41 | midknight2k3 | acrhos is not |
| 02:30:42 | midknight2k3 | duh |
| 02:30:52 | BoD[] | and the gameboy tetris IS the best version ever |
| 02:30:52 | scott666 | shut up |
| 02:30:52 | scott666 | yeah |
| 02:30:55 | BoD[] | you can make "outlines" |
| 02:31:02 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 02:31:04 | midknight2k3 | i leave now |
| 02:31:10 | BoD[] | like [ ][ ][ ][ ] |
| 02:31:22 | | Quit midknight2k3 ("im gay and im stupid. what else? scott sucks.") |
| 02:31:27 | scott666 | bye |
| 02:31:27 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:31:37 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:31:51 | PsycoXul | tetris sucks. |
| 02:32:00 | BoD[] | ! ! ! ! ! |
| 02:32:09 | BoD[] | APOLOGIZE NOW |
| 02:32:14 | PsycoXul | no, it really sucks |
| 02:32:20 | BoD[] | or be damned for ever |
| 02:32:25 | PsycoXul | i could never even stand to play it for more than a few minutes |
| 02:32:38 | BoD[] | i love tetris |
| 02:32:43 | earHurts | tetris is fun |
| 02:32:53 | BoD[] | it's my absolute favourite game |
| 02:33:00 | BoD[] | i can play for hours |
| 02:33:21 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (LaLaLaLaLa@AC994DC0.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:33:26 | midknight2k3 | i win |
| 02:33:31 | BoD[] | I never finished the game boy version .. that's the big regret of my life |
| 02:33:42 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:33:46 | midknight2k3 | how do you finish the archos / rockbox version? |
| 02:33:54 | scott666 | you dont? |
| 02:33:56 | midknight2k3 | i get to like level 1 lines 8 or something |
| 02:34:07 | midknight2k3 | how far did you get? |
| 02:34:23 | scott666 | i got to 70 lines in the archos tetris |
| 02:34:28 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 02:34:29 | BoD[] | i dont play a lot with archos |
| 02:34:32 | midknight2k3 | you did not |
| 02:34:35 | scott666 | yes |
| 02:34:35 | midknight2k3 | really? |
| 02:34:35 | scott666 | i did |
| 02:34:40 | midknight2k3 | i want to see picture |
| 02:34:48 | scott666 | and i will never be able to do it again |
| 02:34:50 | scott666 | but i did it |
| 02:34:58 | scott666 | i usually die 40ish |
| 02:34:59 | PsycoXul | now solitaire mahjong, what you call it tai pei? that's a good game :p |
| 02:35:03 | scott666 | but i just kicked ass one time |
| 02:35:22 | scott666 | 70 lines |
| 02:35:34 | scott666 | hey, make finished |
| 02:35:37 | BoD[] | i don't like "solitaire" type games |
| 02:35:58 | PsycoXul | i don't think mahjong'd work to well on the archos though |
| 02:35:58 | BoD[] | card games and such ... deminer ... never liked them |
| 02:36:16 | PsycoXul | BoD[]: well tetris is a "solitaire" game.. you play it by yourself |
| 02:37:01 | PsycoXul | and "solitaire" mahjong isn't like the card solitaire game(s) |
| 02:37:18 | BoD[] | but you know what i mean right ? |
| 02:37:20 | PsycoXul | it's you know what most people incorrectly know of as mahjong |
| 02:37:22 | scott666 | we gotta look though atari games for ideas |
| 02:37:34 | BoD[] | i don't like the type of game where you have to "think" :) |
| 02:37:40 | scott666 | like i said |
| 02:37:42 | scott666 | atari |
| 02:37:43 | BoD[] | in tetris it's all about reflex, not thinking |
| 02:37:49 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:37:52 | scott666 | asteroid |
| 02:37:54 | scott666 | breakout |
| 02:37:55 | PsycoXul | thats probably why i don't like tetris |
| 02:37:56 | PsycoXul | i like to think :p |
| 02:38:21 | PsycoXul | but tai pei isn't much for thinking either |
| 02:38:24 | PsycoXul | just matching tiles |
| 02:38:41 | scott666 | that game would be hard to put on an archos |
| 02:38:51 | PsycoXul | it's strategy is more about putting yourself in the right frame of mind than any kindof active thinking |
| 02:39:10 | PsycoXul | scott666: indeed it would, i don't think it'd be too nice heh |
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| 02:40:50 | scott666 | oooh!! how about centipede |
| 02:40:59 | PsycoXul | i like asteroid |
| 02:41:03 | BoD{{}} | what was it again ? |
| 02:41:10 | earHurts | nethack |
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| 02:42:05 | PsycoXul | yeah i wanted to have some sortof semi rogue-like game on my player |
| 02:42:34 | earHurts | i want a flight sim |
| 02:42:35 | BoD[] | Quake 3 |
| 02:42:40 | PsycoXul | thats actualy one of the few styles of game that'd be implimentable on a player |
| 02:43:17 | BoD[] | i don't know nethack |
| 02:43:21 | scott666 | i still think doom is a good idea |
| 02:43:37 | midknight2k3 | but impossible |
| 02:43:43 | scott666 | why?? |
| 02:43:49 | BoD[] | not impossible |
| 02:43:50 | midknight2k3 | the logo looked like crap so of course the game would be unusable |
| 02:44:01 | PsycoXul | it'd be crappy but possible |
| 02:44:02 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:44:11 | scott666 | who cares? its doom |
| 02:44:11 | BoD[] | some of the demos good 3d |
| 02:44:11 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:44:13 | earHurts | the chip is what, 12MHz? |
| 02:44:17 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:44:20 | scott666 | so?? |
| 02:44:23 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:44:31 | PsycoXul | i used to play doom just great on a 20mhz 486 |
| 02:44:41 | BoD[] | i saw a doom-like on the hp 48 |
| 02:44:44 | earHurts | there was a decent 2.5D dungeon for the palm |
| 02:44:47 | BoD[] | it was good |
| 02:44:56 | earHurts | demo, anyway |
| 02:45:02 | PsycoXul | palm's got grayscale doesn't it? |
| 02:45:08 | earHurts | which was what, 33MHz |
| 02:45:14 | earHurts | uh, yeah |
| 02:45:26 | earHurts | good point Psy |
| 02:45:40 | earHurts | why can't we grayscale? |
| 02:45:46 | BoD[] | it's not about grayscale in doom :) |
| 02:45:46 | PsycoXul | the LCD sucks |
| 02:45:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:45:50 | scott666 | LCD limitations |
| 02:46:03 | scott666 | could we replace it? |
| 02:46:08 | PsycoXul | though i've seen some demo's that sortof fake grayscale with fast flashing |
| 02:46:09 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:46:23 | PsycoXul | it's probably not a very practical effect though |
| 02:46:26 | BoD[] | on the archos ?? |
| 02:46:36 | scott666 | replacing the LCD sounds like an easier mod than upgrading the ram |
| 02:47:01 | PsycoXul | well you'd have to replace both the LCD and it's controller i think |
| 02:47:16 | scott666 | yeah, youre probably right |
| 02:47:22 | scott666 | and then rockbox would have to support it |
| 02:47:35 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 02:47:43 | PsycoXul | need a whole new lcd driver |
| 02:47:48 | scott666 | wait |
| 02:47:53 | scott666 | fuck greyscale |
| 02:47:55 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:47:58 | midknight2k3 | SIGH |
| 02:48:10 | scott666 | if were replacing the LCD lets replace with a color one |
| 02:48:15 | BoD[] | i'm not sure the "lcd blinking" trick to do gray scales coule be possible with the current lcd |
| 02:48:34 | PsycoXul | BoD[]: well it worked on my studio20 |
| 02:48:39 | earHurts | it's an ugly hack anyway |
| 02:48:43 | PsycoXul | i dunno about recorders |
| 02:48:47 | BoD[] | psycho : oh ok :) |
| 02:48:58 | PsycoXul | and either way like i said i don't think it's really practical to make good use of |
| 02:48:58 | scott666 | studio20? arent those players? |
| 02:49:01 | BoD[] | i wasn't sure it was tested sometime |
| 02:49:03 | PsycoXul | scott666: yeah |
| 02:49:34 | scott666 | do they have the new lcd? |
| 02:49:36 | PsycoXul | somebody made some cool little demos for the players |
| 02:49:41 | scott666 | oh ok |
| 02:49:43 | PsycoXul | that use a block of custom chars for a bitmap display |
| 02:50:15 | midknight2k3 | i will go now |
| 02:50:28 | scott666 | ok |
| 02:50:53 | earHurts | is he quoting yeats or wordsworth? |
| 02:51:00 | | Quit midknight2k3 ("don't forget i am ugly and stupid and <scott666> youre gay") |
| 02:51:04 | BoD[] | ? |
| 02:51:11 | scott666 | bastard |
| 02:51:12 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:51:18 | BoD[] | :)p |
| 02:51:18 | earHurts | i will arise and go now |
| 02:51:26 | scott666 | who the fuck called him ugly? |
| 02:51:41 | PsycoXul | i want a truecolor, resizable, 3D display with a sortof 3D touch-sensitive-ish kindof interactability |
| 02:51:44 | scott666 | dumb bastard... |
| 02:51:57 | scott666 | like in minority report? |
| 02:52:00 | earHurts | everyone is beautiful |
| 02:52:01 | BoD[] | psyco : i want neuronal connectivity ;) |
| 02:52:07 | earHurts | ...one the web |
| 02:52:09 | PsycoXul | why don't one of you invent that and mod the archos for it |
| 02:52:13 | scott666 | lol |
| 02:52:21 | scott666 | ill put it on my to-do list |
| 02:52:26 | PsycoXul | scott666: i don't recall seeing anything quite like it anywhere |
| 02:52:30 | scott666 | right after porgramming the MAS chip |
| 02:52:38 | PsycoXul | what i picture is something you pull out of your pocket and you can stretch out to any size you like |
| 02:52:41 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:52:48 | earHurts | pervert |
| 02:52:56 | BoD[] | :_) |
| 02:52:58 | scott666 | HAHAHAH |
| 02:53:00 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:53:09 | scott666 | thats great |
| 02:53:47 | scott666 | you would want something like that, wouldnt you psycho? |
| 02:53:51 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 02:53:59 | PsycoXul | yea scohtt |
| 02:54:56 | PsycoXul | as far as neuronal connectivity, well then i start to wonder why not just develop your mind to the point you don't need a computer :p |
| 02:55:22 | PsycoXul | and by computer i mean to say a 2nd, inferiour, man-made one |
| 02:55:23 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:55:49 | scott666 | or go the other direction |
| 02:56:00 | scott666 | and replace your brain with a portable Deep Blue |
| 02:56:08 | PsycoXul | that'd be a downgrade |
| 02:56:32 | PsycoXul | people don't seem to realize that the human mind is the most powerful, sophisticated thing in the known universe |
| 02:56:36 | scott666 | well pick a super computer |
| 02:57:06 | BoD[] | sha1 is enough |
| 02:57:18 | PsycoXul | and part of the problem seems to be that people think their mind consists of the conscious part that they tend to think with |
| 02:57:19 | scott666 | but, like the MAS chip, we dont have the documentation to use it the way we want to |
| 02:57:22 | PsycoXul | when really that's more like the UI of it |
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| 02:57:58 | PsycoXul | people are mistaking their monitor and keyboard for the whole computer :p |
| 02:58:42 | scott666 | but god, like micronas, doesnt want to release the docs because they dont want their intellectual property stolen |
| 02:58:56 | scott666 | you cant have just anyone building brains |
| 02:59:02 | BoD[] | god believes in IP |
| 02:59:08 | scott666 | god uses LISP |
| 02:59:11 | BoD[] | :_) |
| 02:59:19 | PsycoXul | heh |
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| 02:59:23 | BoD[] | why not lambda calculus ;) |
| 02:59:35 | PsycoXul | the design, or any openness of such isn't the problem |
| 02:59:36 | scott666 | wheres the fun in that? |
| 02:59:44 | PsycoXul | it's how much people are willing to study it |
| 02:59:54 | PsycoXul | and how they go about it... |
| 02:59:56 | scott666 | well its not easy to study a live brain |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:09 | PsycoXul | like you can't really learn much about how to use your mind by studying anybody elses, or by studying it's mechanisms even |
| 03:00:19 | scott666 | what with it being it peoples heads and all |
| 03:00:27 | PsycoXul | it's quite easy |
| 03:00:32 | PsycoXul | just look within yourself |
| 03:00:37 | scott666 | OH |
| 03:00:42 | PsycoXul | pay attention to your own mental workings |
| 03:00:44 | scott666 | its THAT easy is it?? |
| 03:00:50 | scott666 | well ill just turn my eyes inside out hen |
| 03:00:52 | PsycoXul | you'd be suprised how much you learn |
| 03:00:52 | scott666 | *then |
| 03:01:07 | PsycoXul | your eyes cannot percieve it |
| 03:01:10 | scott666 | (sarcasm?? whats that?!) |
| 03:01:25 | PsycoXul | you are self-aware you know |
| 03:01:31 | PsycoXul | just use your minds eye to examine your mind |
| 03:01:33 | PsycoXul | it can do that :p |
| 03:01:39 | PsycoXul | but my dinner's ready |
| 03:01:57 | PsycoXul | so i'll leave with one piece of advice everybody on earth should follow: study yourself |
| 03:02:13 | BoD[] | i'm not sure it's really possible |
| 03:05:26 | scott666 | 'study yourself' theres some simple, straight-forward advice |
| 03:05:45 | fraggle | know thyself |
| 03:06:19 | elinenbe | brb |
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| 03:14:10 | scott666 | anyone know what the version 2.2 GUI overhaul is supposed to be? |
| 03:20:11 | BoD[] | ? |
| 03:25:14 | PsycoXul | it's not that hard... just be more self-aware, and do it consistently... eventualy you'll notice all kinds of things you never realized your mind does and can do |
| 03:26:13 | BoD[] | moi j'ai example |
| 03:26:16 | BoD[] | hum |
| 03:26:23 | BoD[] | copypaste error |
| 03:40:37 | scott666 | french! |
| 03:40:42 | BoD[] | right;) |
| 03:40:47 | scott666 | lol |
| 03:41:02 | scott666 | ive had about 3 years of french |
| 03:41:23 | BoD[] | donc tu parles français |
| 03:41:34 | scott666 | donc? |
| 03:41:58 | BoD[] | == so |
| 03:42:05 | scott666 | je parle un peu de français, oui |
| 03:42:20 | scott666 | was that right? |
| 03:42:27 | scott666 | its summer, i usually forget everything |
| 03:42:29 | scott666 | lol |
| 03:43:08 | BoD[] | remove the "de" |
| 03:43:35 | scott666 | ok |
| 03:43:59 | scott666 | heh |
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| 04:47:50 | BoD[] | i have to go to bed! |
| 04:47:52 | BoD[] | a++++++++ + + |
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| 05:38:37 | scott666 | anyone know what the version 2.2 'gui overhaul' is supposed to be about? |
| 05:39:03 | hardeep | scott666: clean up the menus etc., make it more user friendly |
| 05:39:14 | scott666 | ok |
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| 06:08:51 | thu | what is there to clean? |
| 06:08:58 | scott666 | plenty |
| 06:09:04 | * | thu wonders how you can make a line of text more user friendly |
| 06:09:15 | scott666 | you can organize it better |
| 06:09:33 | thu | maybe |
| 06:09:40 | thu | as long as it doesn't get over-organized and slower to navigate |
| 06:10:16 | scott666 | its just as easy to go left and right as it is to go up and down |
| 06:10:55 | thu | it's harder to keep track where you are though |
| 06:11:16 | thu | I'm happy enough with the current menus |
| 06:11:20 | scott666 | not if its categorized right |
| 06:11:23 | thu | I'd like to be convinced otherwise |
| 06:11:42 | thu | scott666: I don't disagree that there's always room for improvement |
| 06:11:55 | scott666 | if youre in an options menu and all the options deal with the same type of thing its easy enough to tell where you are |
| 06:12:01 | scott666 | im working on it now |
| 06:12:10 | scott666 | cause im bored and i saw it on the main page |
| 06:12:11 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:12:13 | thu | :) |
| 06:12:19 | thu | I should get into rockbox too |
| 06:12:25 | thu | I didn't code anything fun in ages |
| 06:12:30 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:12:31 | scott666 | me too |
| 06:12:45 | scott666 | but its hard to just jump into a big project like this |
| 06:12:52 | thu | I was actually thinking of nokia-style menus |
| 06:12:57 | thu | with pictures for categories |
| 06:13:00 | thu | or for all items |
| 06:13:13 | thu | but I brought it up and I get it that it would eat up memory |
| 06:13:21 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:13:21 | thu | and cause more disk spinning => less battery life |
| 06:13:29 | scott666 | and itd be a lot more confusing that text |
| 06:13:36 | thu | maybe maybe not |
| 06:13:43 | thu | again.. it could be ok if done right |
| 06:13:45 | scott666 | you could make it a plugin |
| 06:13:57 | scott666 | then no spin-ups as long as its <30k |
| 06:14:19 | thu | 2M is not enough for anything fun |
| 06:14:27 | thu | I had in mind a sort of audio-based nethack game |
| 06:14:36 | thu | but that would take some work and kill the battery in no time |
| 06:14:50 | thu | everything comes down to spin-ups and batt life |
| 06:15:00 | scott666 | not to mention youd have to reprogram the MAS |
| 06:15:21 | thu | mas? |
| 06:15:29 | scott666 | the mp3 decoding chip |
| 06:15:42 | scott666 | which is programmable, but we have no documentation |
| 06:15:51 | scott666 | look at the nodo.txt file in the docs |
| 06:16:06 | thu | I think I remember reading something like that |
| 06:16:21 | * | thu wonders why archos wouldn't give out all their docs to the rockbox devs |
| 06:16:34 | scott666 | its not archos, its micronas |
| 06:16:43 | scott666 | cause archos didnt make the MAS |
| 06:16:49 | thu | well doesn't archos have the MAS docs? |
| 06:16:59 | thu | or did they devel a device with parts they know nothing about |
| 06:17:15 | scott666 | they do but probably cant release it |
| 06:17:29 | scott666 | because its micronas' intellectual proterty |
| 06:17:30 | scott666 | or something |
| 06:17:39 | scott666 | besides, archos are bastards |
| 06:17:51 | thu | then make the rockbox people do "contract work" for archos or something |
| 06:17:59 | thu | rockbox is in their direct best interest |
| 06:18:07 | thu | better firmware => more buyers |
| 06:18:42 | thu | especially with all their new models coming out |
| 06:18:52 | thu | they basically have people writing code for them for free |
| 06:19:08 | scott666 | but then theyd have to pay us |
| 06:19:10 | thu | if I were an archos rep I'd start shipping new units to the rockbox people |
| 06:19:40 | scott666 | and rockbox doesnt work with anything newer than FM |
| 06:19:49 | thu | exactly my point |
| 06:19:57 | scott666 | and they dont plan to |
| 06:20:07 | thu | what if all notable rockbox devels got a shiny new multimedia thingy to their door |
| 06:20:11 | thu | with a big box of docs |
| 06:20:15 | thu | figuratelly speaking |
| 06:20:25 | thu | one wonders |
| 06:20:46 | scott666 | yeah but i dont HAVE a multi media, so i dont really care |
| 06:21:03 | thu | guess they didn't discover good business sense in france |
| 06:21:06 | scott666 | $300 was enough to pay for me |
| 06:21:19 | thu | yeah I was close to that too with my FM |
| 06:21:35 | thu | but in a year from now the multimedias will be under $300 |
| 06:21:38 | scott666 | yeah, i think i came in at about $270 |
| 06:22:49 | thu | the rockbox project is great but doesn't seem to have any future |
| 06:23:01 | scott666 | plugins |
| 06:23:12 | thu | it's strictly linked to the player/recorder/fm series |
| 06:23:15 | scott666 | 30k apps to do whatever you want |
| 06:23:19 | thu | they are already getting old |
| 06:23:32 | thu | my point is that the user base isn't all that big |
| 06:23:41 | scott666 | what more do you need though? |
| 06:23:44 | thu | and the devices will become obsolete soon |
| 06:24:00 | thu | well some view of the future |
| 06:24:00 | scott666 | how? |
| 06:24:13 | thu | like extending to the new multimedia thingies |
| 06:24:15 | scott666 | mp3 is too big to be obsolete any time soon |
| 06:24:25 | thu | not mp3 but the actual archoses |
| 06:24:29 | thu | players are already gone |
| 06:24:52 | scott666 | no |
| 06:24:59 | scott666 | you can still buy the studios |
| 06:25:10 | scott666 | www.archos.com |
| 06:25:37 | thu | archos isn't developing anything similar to the recorders afaik |
| 06:25:46 | thu | and rockbox has no plans to expand do the multimedia devices |
| 06:26:05 | thu | so probably rockbox will slowly die on its own |
| 06:26:36 | scott666 | as long as people have their archos, rockbox wont die |
| 06:26:56 | scott666 | i invest $300, im expecting a few years use out of it |
| 06:27:10 | thu | there's only so many things you can do within the hardware limitations |
| 06:27:20 | thu | heh I don't expect mine to last that long |
| 06:27:23 | thu | but you never know :) |
| 06:27:25 | scott666 | it plays mp3s |
| 06:27:31 | scott666 | it records mp3s |
| 06:27:35 | scott666 | it has a radio |
| 06:27:38 | scott666 | what more do you want? |
| 06:27:54 | scott666 | all id want is upgrade |
| 06:27:55 | scott666 | s |
| 06:28:11 | thu | how much devel time is a project worth when you can't add any major features? |
| 06:28:18 | scott666 | 60gb hd, 8mb (or more) ram, better processor |
| 06:28:34 | thu | hmm it would be fun to upgrade the processor |
| 06:28:38 | scott666 | id say games were a major feature |
| 06:28:38 | thu | wonder if it's even possible |
| 06:28:57 | thu | not for me.. don't know about most people |
| 06:29:32 | scott666 | obviously this project is worth something, as its been going for multiple years |
| 06:30:13 | scott666 | the mailing list archive goes back to 12/01 |
| 06:30:20 | thu | it's not really worth all the effort imho but I guess people had fun working on it |
| 06:30:29 | thu | and the end product is a few steps better |
| 06:30:44 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:30:50 | scott666 | the archos firmware is terrible |
| 06:30:55 | thu | that's not true |
| 06:30:58 | thu | it does the job |
| 06:31:06 | scott666 | it doesnt do it well though |
| 06:31:08 | thu | I used it for a few months before I switched to rockbox |
| 06:31:13 | thu | you hit play, you hear the song |
| 06:31:34 | thu | any firmware is good as long as you never think about it |
| 06:31:39 | scott666 | i expect this project was well worth the money they spent on getting your archos to work well |
| 06:31:53 | scott666 | that didnt come out right |
| 06:32:00 | thu | what's so bad about the original firmware? |
| 06:32:08 | thu | I'm not talking about features but bugs |
| 06:32:14 | scott666 | it works |
| 06:32:17 | scott666 | but it doesnt work well |
| 06:32:26 | scott666 | no resume |
| 06:32:33 | scott666 | thats a big one |
| 06:32:36 | thu | is it? |
| 06:32:37 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:32:47 | thu | I said I'm not talking about features |
| 06:32:53 | scott666 | i am |
| 06:32:54 | thu | you say it doesn't work _well_ |
| 06:33:04 | thu | in what way doesn't it do the implemented features? |
| 06:33:14 | scott666 | it doesnt have enough features to defint a _good_ product |
| 06:33:21 | scott666 | *define |
| 06:33:31 | scott666 | its acceptable |
| 06:33:32 | scott666 | it works |
| 06:33:39 | scott666 | but it isnt good |
| 06:33:45 | scott666 | rockbox is |
| 06:33:56 | thu | not good usually means buggy |
| 06:34:09 | scott666 | well it doesnt in this case |
| 06:34:09 | thu | in this case you use it for "lacking some secondary features" |
| 06:34:14 | scott666 | just feature lacking |
| 06:34:21 | thu | yeah I agree with that |
| 06:34:43 | scott666 | it doesnt take full advantadge of the hardware |
| 06:35:31 | thu | I bet that will be even more the case for the new models |
| 06:35:40 | thu | they seem to be getting some better hw inside |
| 06:35:45 | thu | bigger screens too |
| 06:35:50 | scott666 | and color |
| 06:35:56 | thu | => more things one could do with an alternate firmware |
| 06:35:59 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:36:09 | scott666 | just think of the games on the new one |
| 06:36:26 | scott666 | but thats probably powerful enough to just run a PDA OS |
| 06:36:38 | thu | the input is still limited |
| 06:36:47 | scott666 | input? |
| 06:36:53 | thu | no touch screen, no keyboard |
| 06:37:00 | scott666 | ahh |
| 06:37:00 | scott666 | right |
| 06:37:13 | scott666 | have you seen the new models? |
| 06:37:23 | thu | a really nice thing would be a slick PDA with a hard drive attached |
| 06:37:26 | thu | nah just pics |
| 06:37:27 | scott666 | that are the size of hte archos but like all of its screen? |
| 06:37:33 | thu | something like that |
| 06:38:08 | thu | add a 20G drive to something like a sharp zaurus or hp jornada / ex-compaq ipaq and you got one cool device |
| 06:38:11 | scott666 | its capable of being a pda with a mic, camera, and 60gb HD |
| 06:38:20 | thu | exactly |
| 06:38:34 | thu | well basically you can have a whole pc |
| 06:38:35 | scott666 | all it needs is wifi |
| 06:38:43 | thu | the new pdas run at ~233MHz and above |
| 06:38:45 | scott666 | or something similar |
| 06:38:55 | thu | there are wifi modules for pdas |
| 06:39:00 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:39:21 | scott666 | and 802.11b, but i cant recall what exactly that is atm |
| 06:39:29 | thu | actually what is actually possible to do is get a pda with an usb host expansion card |
| 06:39:32 | thu | 802.11b is wifi |
| 06:39:35 | scott666 | ok |
| 06:39:35 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:39:56 | thu | I think someone was saying here that one of the toshibas has an usb host option |
| 06:40:08 | thu | they you can have a cable going into your pocket to a simple usb2 drive |
| 06:40:12 | thu | or an archos for that matter |
| 06:40:15 | thu | s/they/thn |
| 06:40:17 | thu | then |
| 06:40:18 | thu | bleh |
| 06:40:32 | thu | => wearable computer |
| 06:40:45 | scott666 | heh |
| 06:41:01 | scott666 | like the glasses that have a screen in them? |
| 06:41:16 | scott666 | but you can still see through it |
| 06:41:31 | thu | heh maybe.. that's not ready for the end user yet |
| 06:41:34 | thu | unfortunatelly |
| 06:41:37 | scott666 | :-( |
| 06:41:39 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:42:09 | thu | but you can get a pda with wifi/bluetooth/60G drive |
| 06:42:37 | thu | nice thing about the archos multimedia versions is that you can plug them into yer tv |
| 06:42:44 | thu | and record / playback divx |
| 06:42:48 | scott666 | have you noticed that cell phones, PDAs, and mp3 players are all going in the same dirrection? |
| 06:43:10 | thu | well there's only so many things a device can do |
| 06:43:27 | thu | in the idea of a wearable computer I like modularity |
| 06:43:29 | scott666 | phones are becoming camera and internet |
| 06:43:37 | thu | heeh |
| 06:43:45 | * | thu drools at sony-ericsson p800 |
| 06:43:56 | scott666 | pdas have internet and can be used as phones and mp3 players |
| 06:44:08 | thu | it would be fun if you could have different modules interact through wifi |
| 06:44:17 | thu | or even cable in the beginning |
| 06:44:17 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:44:28 | scott666 | have your archos call your pda |
| 06:44:37 | thu | so you can have a hdd in your pocket that you can share with your pda/phone and with the guy sitting next to you |
| 06:44:44 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:45:05 | thu | as long as it's short-range it shouldn't be a problem |
| 06:45:10 | thu | but that calls for one more thing |
| 06:45:12 | thu | integration |
| 06:45:23 | scott666 | thats the problem |
| 06:45:23 | thu | be it wifi, bluetooth or something else |
| 06:45:44 | thu | http://www.semsons.com/usbhoscabfor.html |
| 06:45:46 | scott666 | different brands of cell phones arent even compatible for text messaging |
| 06:45:53 | thu | hmm toshibas do have usb hosts |
| 06:45:58 | thu | I know |
| 06:46:14 | scott666 | thats the good thing about monopolies |
| 06:46:16 | thu | and unfortunatelly they're converging towards the old web standars |
| 06:46:19 | thu | standards |
| 06:46:20 | scott666 | everyting is compatable |
| 06:46:29 | thu | that weren't designed for mobile devices |
| 06:46:47 | thu | I don't think I'd appreciate a cell phone manufacturer monopoly |
| 06:46:56 | thu | standards do better |
| 06:46:59 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:47:01 | scott666 | but we dont have any |
| 06:47:11 | thu | bluetooth |
| 06:47:13 | thu | wifi |
| 06:47:24 | scott666 | we dont have A standard |
| 06:47:33 | scott666 | as in one |
| 06:47:39 | scott666 | that everyone uses |
| 06:48:08 | scott666 | and the problem with stanards is new technology |
| 06:48:31 | thu | I guess nobody has a clear vision for the future |
| 06:48:33 | scott666 | cause if a newer, faster, better, incompatable technology comes out, all old devices are ovsolete |
| 06:48:36 | thu | they keep putting out weird devices |
| 06:48:42 | thu | that do things poorly |
| 06:48:47 | scott666 | yeah |
| 06:48:52 | thu | just look at all the weird cellphones |
| 06:48:58 | scott666 | camera phones take TERRIBLE pictures |
| 06:49:03 | thu | well duh |
| 06:49:11 | scott666 | that nokia n-gauge is gonna fail miserably |
| 06:49:12 | thu | nobody seems to care |
| 06:49:29 | thu | heh I used my pda with a cellphone module for about a year |
| 06:49:32 | thu | a visor phone |
| 06:49:40 | thu | then switched back to a huge old motorola |
| 06:49:42 | thu | felt sooo good |
| 06:49:46 | scott666 | heh |
| 06:49:53 | thu | (I broke the visor phone's antenna and they wouldn't replace it) |
| 06:50:03 | thu | I dropped the old phone in some awful ways |
| 06:50:06 | thu | it still works |
| 06:50:16 | thu | try doing that with a new cell phone |
| 06:50:26 | thu | it'll break into pieces |
| 06:50:51 | thu | hehe I actually threw my motorola at someone and missed |
| 06:51:04 | thu | it slammed against the wall and broke in two pieces |
| 06:51:10 | thu | battery and phone |
| 06:51:17 | thu | I just picked them up and put them back together |
| 06:51:20 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:51:20 | thu | no problem :) |
| 06:51:39 | scott666 | ive seen some cheap phones that flip open |
| 06:51:45 | scott666 | ...and then the top breaks off |
| 06:51:52 | thu | for me that's more of a feature than whistles and bells |
| 06:52:05 | thu | yeah I remember people talking about the new motorola flip phones |
| 06:52:08 | thu | they had some really small ones |
| 06:52:19 | scott666 | *snap* |
| 06:52:24 | thu | they said they break realllllly easy |
| 06:52:59 | scott666 | a friend of a friend got one |
| 06:53:10 | scott666 | i saw it happen |
| 06:53:16 | thu | hehe nice |
| 06:53:25 | thu | was that covered by warranty? |
| 06:53:36 | scott666 | he flipped it open and the top just kept going into the table |
| 06:53:40 | thu | lol |
| 06:53:42 | scott666 | i think |
| 06:53:44 | thu | oh and audio quality is dropping too |
| 06:53:53 | thu | because nobody wants ugly antennas anymore |
| 06:53:59 | scott666 | i havnt bought a cell phone yet |
| 06:54:08 | thu | I lost one |
| 06:54:10 | scott666 | too expensive |
| 06:54:11 | thu | had one stolen |
| 06:54:13 | thu | broke one |
| 06:54:17 | scott666 | at fisrt and per month |
| 06:54:23 | thu | and I ended up with this old motorola |
| 06:54:28 | thu | oh funny story |
| 06:54:37 | thu | I used to keep this big phone in my backpack |
| 06:54:44 | scott666 | same reason i didnt buy SW galaxies... |
| 06:54:56 | thu | some guys crowded me, opened my backpack and stole the phone |
| 06:55:07 | thu | then they ran after me and asked for some money to give it back :) |
| 06:55:14 | thu | they didn't even wanna keep it when they saw it |
| 06:55:14 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:55:25 | thu | I payed them less that it would have cost me to replace the SIM card |
| 06:55:31 | scott666 | heh |
| 06:55:41 | thu | that's like the perfect phone |
| 06:55:56 | thu | if you can get a good battery.. that's the only thing going bad with time |
| 06:56:09 | thu | it did only one thing |
| 06:56:13 | thu | but it did it well |
| 06:56:15 | scott666 | call people? |
| 06:56:17 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:56:28 | thu | yeah.. no problems with range and call quality |
| 06:56:32 | scott666 | but what if you NEED a phone that makes pasta? |
| 06:56:34 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:56:42 | thu | I'd have 1-2 bars of signal when people with fancy phones didn't have any signal |
| 06:57:10 | thu | hehe I didn't see one of those yet |
| 06:57:26 | scott666 | yet |
| 06:57:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 06:57:29 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:57:57 | thu | I'm looking at the specs for toshiba e350 now |
| 06:58:02 | thu | 300MHz CPU |
| 06:58:06 | thu | 64M RAM |
| 06:58:18 | scott666 | better than this old comp next to me |
| 06:58:22 | thu | you can expand it with an usb host and connect to an external drive |
| 06:58:24 | scott666 | from 96 |
| 06:58:28 | thu | yeah same here |
| 06:58:34 | thu | I have a p166/32 ram under the table |
| 06:58:36 | scott666 | its a p2 166 with 48MB ram |
| 06:58:42 | thu | p1 166 |
| 06:58:46 | scott666 | really? |
| 06:58:46 | thu | there's no p2 166 :) |
| 06:58:49 | scott666 | yah |
| 06:58:53 | scott666 | youre right |
| 06:59:03 | scott666 | p2s were in the 400s right? |
| 06:59:18 | scott666 | 3-400 |
| 06:59:22 | thu | they went as high as 450MHz iirc |
| 06:59:31 | thu | infrared port |
| 06:59:34 | thu | usb client and usb host |
| 06:59:35 | scott666 | the computer im using is a p3 600 |
| 06:59:38 | scott666 | lol |
| 06:59:41 | thu | stereo headphone jack |
| 06:59:48 | thu | heh what more can you want |
| 06:59:53 | scott666 | ik |
| 06:59:59 | scott666 | brand new in 1999 |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:04 | thu | it's about $300 too |
| 07:00:06 | scott666 | geforce2 32mb |
| 07:00:13 | thu | heh |
| 07:00:22 | scott666 | soundblaster live |
| 07:00:32 | scott666 | 640mb ram |
| 07:00:39 | thu | sound: ac-97 codec chip |
| 07:00:41 | scott666 | ...ok that was an upgrade |
| 07:00:50 | thu | yeah same here |
| 07:00:54 | scott666 | stated with 128 |
| 07:00:58 | thu | 640M I mean |
| 07:01:04 | thu | I went as high as 890M |
| 07:01:15 | thu | but downgraded since |
| 07:01:23 | thu | or 894? |
| 07:01:29 | thu | 128+256+512 |
| 07:01:31 | thu | you do the math :) |
| 07:01:43 | scott666 | 1024 - 128 |
| 07:02:12 | scott666 | 896 |
| 07:02:24 | thu | here :) |
| 07:02:25 | thu | ok |
| 07:02:41 | scott666 | i love Calculator |
| 07:03:14 | scott666 | 'IRC is just multiplayer notepad |
| 07:03:16 | scott666 | ' |
| 07:03:56 | thu | hehe sorta |
| 07:04:09 | thu | I'm too lazy to fire up a terminal |
| 07:05:13 | thu | I wonder if this toshiba can play divx-es |
| 07:05:19 | scott666 | heh |
| 07:05:21 | thu | and whether I could run linux on it |
| 07:05:27 | thu | windows ce is evil |
| 07:05:45 | scott666 | that the PDA OS? |
| 07:05:58 | thu | yeah |
| 07:06:08 | thu | Additional software: Pocket Word, Pocket Excel, Pocket Outlook®, Pocket Internet Explorer, Microsoft® Windows® Media™ Player 9 for Pocket PC, File Explorer, MSN® Messenger, Microsoft® Active Sync® 3.7, Microsoft® Outlook® and ArcSoft PhotoBase™. |
| 07:06:11 | PsycoXul | what kinda toshiba |
| 07:06:18 | scott666 | ick |
| 07:06:28 | thu | PsycoXul: e350 |
| 07:06:38 | PsycoXul | my parents have e740-NW's |
| 07:06:49 | thu | PsycoXul: it's cool that it has an usb host.. you can link it with an archos |
| 07:07:14 | PsycoXul | they've got 400mhz x-scale's but oddly my 300mhz MIPS be-300 that was several hundred $ cheaper actualy plays video better |
| 07:07:17 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:07:27 | thu | PsycoXul: toshiba? |
| 07:07:30 | PsycoXul | thu: yeah thats cool |
| 07:07:36 | thu | PsycoXul: can you run anything else than windoze on it? |
| 07:07:42 | thu | as in linux |
| 07:07:45 | PsycoXul | their e740's are toshiba my be-300 is casio |
| 07:07:47 | PsycoXul | thu: i think so |
| 07:08:14 | thu | sweet |
| 07:08:15 | PsycoXul | i haven't checked into it so much since they won't let me put it on there, but i think there's a version that'll run on 'em |
| 07:08:35 | scott666 | does the xaurus use linux by default? |
| 07:08:42 | thu | yeah.. with qtopia |
| 07:08:47 | thu | and it's zaurus |
| 07:08:50 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:08:55 | scott666 | close enough |
| 07:08:56 | scott666 | lol |
| 07:09:09 | PsycoXul | i wish i could put linux on mine... |
| 07:09:19 | thu | me too |
| 07:09:26 | PsycoXul | there's a project for it, but it's reaaaallly slow going and barely getting anywhere |
| 07:09:28 | scott666 | rockbox PDA edition... |
| 07:09:33 | thu | I have a 16MHz hanspring visor :) |
| 07:09:42 | scott666 | heh |
| 07:10:42 | PsycoXul | well actualy it's gotten to be able to run on it, have a commandline with a text input thing via the direction pad and buttons, and apparently there's some very basic support for the touchscreen, but that minimal touchscreen support's all that's happened since i got this thing in january |
| 07:12:37 | scott666 | is no one trying anything or is there just no documentation on how to do any of this? |
| 07:13:32 | PsycoXul | many pda's inner workings are dark and esoteric |
| 07:14:33 | PsycoXul | wince, like all versions of windows, is terrible to deal with |
| 07:14:44 | PsycoXul | and all the main developers are busy with other things most of the time |
| 07:14:58 | PsycoXul | it's not exactly a widesrpead pda either |
| 07:15:03 | PsycoXul | so it all adds up to extremely slow development |
| 07:15:26 | scott666 | thats funny |
| 07:15:33 | scott666 | windows ce = wince |
| 07:15:35 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 07:15:35 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:15:45 | PsycoXul | it's the most appropriately named microsoft product ever |
| 07:16:00 | scott666 | im trying decide if thats ironic or just apt |
| 07:17:16 | PsycoXul | casio even put their own semi-crippled version of wince on this thing |
| 07:17:27 | PsycoXul | instead of the standard interface, it's got a really crappy menu thing |
| 07:17:45 | PsycoXul | and it's missing a bunch of standard stuff so that most regular MIPS pocketpc apps won't even run on it |
| 07:18:17 | PsycoXul | fortunately one project that's had considerably more progress is expod that gives it a standard windows-like shell and puts back most of the missing stuff so it'll run many of pocketpc apps |
| 07:19:07 | scott666 | *is completely ignorany about PDAs* |
| 07:19:55 | PsycoXul | heh i don't have much experience with them, but like |
| 07:19:58 | scott666 | *ignorant |
| 07:20:14 | PsycoXul | my parents' e740's run pocketpc2002 or such OS which is just a newer version of wince i guess |
| 07:21:00 | thu | steal it and install linux |
| 07:21:04 | thu | put it back and wait for reaction |
| 07:21:06 | PsycoXul | and it's interface is just like a screen with some info on it and a menu that lets you start some software, including something that's sorta like win3.1's program manager |
| 07:21:42 | scott666 | *shudder* bad memories |
| 07:22:12 | PsycoXul | wince sucks though, they try to make it as un-computer-like as they can it seems |
| 07:23:12 | PsycoXul | just because most people don't usualy want to resize their windows and run a bunch of stuff that can be displayed at once on a 240x320 screen, doesn't mean it should simply not have that functionality :p |
| 07:23:45 | thu | that's probably a feature |
| 07:23:53 | thu | my mother usually loses windows on the screen |
| 07:23:57 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:23:58 | thu | or drags them to some shady corner |
| 07:24:03 | scott666 | see, now thats just your problem for expecting M$ to make a decent product |
| 07:24:07 | thu | and she ends up with literally tens of windows |
| 07:24:11 | thu | mostly popups and crap |
| 07:24:26 | PsycoXul | well actualy thats still a problem but it's worse cause with this thing you've got no way at all to see what windows are behind the top one |
| 07:24:41 | scott666 | theres no alt-tab?? |
| 07:24:44 | thu | sounds just like my openbox workstation :) |
| 07:25:08 | PsycoXul | scott666: i think i even tried that hehe |
| 07:25:33 | thu | heh |
| 07:26:14 | scott666 | i think i got everything |
| 07:26:37 | scott666 | im redesigning the menu |
| 07:26:38 | scott666 | lol |
| 07:26:51 | PsycoXul | my cheap pda suits my needs though... can't beat 300mhz MIPS with 15bit color screen for ~$125 |
| 07:26:52 | thu | I'd rather get a sony u1 or the like than a pda |
| 07:27:00 | scott666 | theres a lot of options in those sub dirs |
| 07:27:09 | thu | PsycoXul: can I connect to an usb hdd |
| 07:27:10 | thu | ? |
| 07:27:17 | PsycoXul | all i need is a more efficient way to input to it |
| 07:27:27 | PsycoXul | thu: i can't, but if yours has USB host support than i'd say so :p |
| 07:27:41 | thu | PsycoXul: heh the $300 toshibas do |
| 07:27:46 | scott666 | just tape the archos to the PDA |
| 07:27:49 | PsycoXul | my parents' do but it needs an expasion thing or an adapter plug |
| 07:27:57 | thu | PsycoXul: not much sense in having a 300MHz cpu if you can't play movies |
| 07:28:08 | thu | PsycoXul: yeah it needs a special chord |
| 07:28:15 | PsycoXul | thu: hehe well i got a network card for it |
| 07:28:35 | thu | let me guess.. 10-T coax :) |
| 07:28:50 | PsycoXul | 10mbit ethernet |
| 07:29:03 | PsycoXul | it's ne2k compatible |
| 07:29:03 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:29:04 | thu | if it's not wifi it's no good |
| 07:29:12 | PsycoXul | yeah but it was cheap |
| 07:29:26 | PsycoXul | i don't have anything wireless, so if i got a wifi card it'd have cost me |
| 07:29:33 | PsycoXul | more than the pda itself heh |
| 07:29:58 | thu | http://www.dynamism.com/u1/main.shtml |
| 07:30:00 | thu | I like this baby |
| 07:30:30 | PsycoXul | sweet |
| 07:30:36 | thu | 6.4" LCD :) |
| 07:30:56 | thu | I'm not sure if it also comes with a cute japanese chick like in the ad |
| 07:31:03 | scott666 | lol |
| 07:31:22 | scott666 | mail order bride/PDA combo pack |
| 07:31:37 | thu | dump the bride.. send me 2 pdas :) |
| 07:31:39 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 07:31:44 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 07:31:55 | scott666 | oooh! or the 'buy the 12yo who made it' package |
| 07:32:01 | PsycoXul | it's still not up to what i'm waiting for |
| 07:32:22 | PsycoXul | i still want that resizable screen :p |
| 07:32:31 | scott666 | heh |
| 07:32:50 | thu | http://www.dynamism.com/mapp/masamune-bk.jpg |
| 07:32:55 | thu | japanese designers are weird |
| 07:32:55 | scott666 | 'something you can pull out of your pocket and make it any size you want' |
| 07:32:56 | PsycoXul | i want something that's smaller than that thing in my pocket or in-hand, but bigger on a table :p |
| 07:33:34 | scott666 | smaller than that thing in your pocket? |
| 07:33:41 | PsycoXul | smaller than that thing |
| 07:33:45 | PsycoXul | while in my pocket or hand |
| 07:33:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:33:46 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 07:33:56 | scott666 | set yourself up for that one |
| 07:34:13 | scott666 | i didnt even get to 'or in-hand' |
| 07:34:18 | PsycoXul | it doesn't have to be 3D, but it should be high quality, high res, and stretchable |
| 07:34:21 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:34:23 | thu | 36-inch monitor in which Sony uses thermal transfer films that were printed by laminating the color filter and phosphorus to allow the monitor to thermally transfer pictures directly to the glass of the CRT |
| 07:34:32 | thu | hmm sony rulz |
| 07:34:36 | scott666 | yup |
| 07:34:43 | scott666 | i want a PSP!! |
| 07:34:58 | PsycoXul | PSP? |
| 07:35:07 | scott666 | playstaion portable |
| 07:35:12 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:35:21 | scott666 | mp3/video/game player than runs on UMBs |
| 07:35:25 | scott666 | &UMDs |
| 07:35:28 | scott666 | ** |
| 07:35:36 | thu | http://www.dynamism.com/u101/intro_couch2.jpg |
| 07:35:37 | PsycoXul | hmm heh |
| 07:35:50 | scott666 | 1.7gb on a minidisc |
| 07:35:54 | PsycoXul | thu: looks awkward |
| 07:36:02 | PsycoXul | like a book |
| 07:36:04 | thu | PsycoXul: "subnotebook" |
| 07:36:13 | thu | http://www.dynamism.com/u101/index.shtml |
| 07:36:19 | thu | this site has some nice toys |
| 07:36:25 | scott666 | your thumbs would smudge the screen |
| 07:37:01 | PsycoXul | my image of technology is set too far into the future to be impressed by much that's even nearing a consumer market |
| 07:38:03 | * | thu is laptopless and looking |
| 07:38:09 | PsycoXul | the stretchable screen thing is one of my more realistic for the near future ideas |
| 07:38:24 | scott666 | can you guys help me think of a category name for these fatures?: |
| 07:38:34 | thu | Misc |
| 07:38:38 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:38:48 | thu | yeah "heh" is pretty good too |
| 07:39:28 | scott666 | scroll bar, status bar, invert LCD, line selector, volume display, battery display, show icons |
| 07:39:43 | thu | scott666: Display |
| 07:39:45 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 07:39:55 | scott666 | sub dir of display |
| 07:40:10 | thu | bleh |
| 07:40:13 | scott666 | theyre all gui-type changes |
| 07:40:20 | thu | GUI |
| 07:40:25 | thu | Interface |
| 07:40:27 | PsycoXul | Feedback |
| 07:40:40 | thu | Force Feedback |
| 07:40:42 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:40:58 | scott666 | the archos shocks you when the song changes? |
| 07:41:07 | PsycoXul | though i dunno if scroll bar really fits with those |
| 07:41:07 | scott666 | 'ultimate tetris' |
| 07:41:25 | scott666 | why not? |
| 07:41:32 | thu | User Interface |
| 07:41:33 | PsycoXul | well ok it could |
| 07:41:42 | scott666 | it fits just as well as status bar |
| 07:42:06 | PsycoXul | actualy you're right, nm |
| 07:42:26 | scott666 | ui might work |
| 07:42:29 | PsycoXul | they all are feedback options, uh info toggles, ... |
| 07:42:44 | PsycoXul | *shrug* |
| 07:43:03 | PsycoXul | oh invert LCD isn't feedback/info so i guess not |
| 07:43:10 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 07:43:20 | scott666 | any of those are better than the current name. [a good name for all these visual changes] |
| 07:43:26 | thu | User Interface |
| 07:43:27 | PsycoXul | i'm gonna watch the last episode of taken now heh |
| 07:43:35 | scott666 | yeah |
| 07:43:37 | scott666 | thats good |
| 07:43:48 | scott666 | thanks |
| 07:45:24 | scott666 | i think im done |
| 08:00 |
| 08:05:12 | scott666 | theres about 5 feature suggestions imbedded in it |
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| 08:05:14 | scott666 | heh |
| 08:06:04 | scott666 | the .rockbox browsing patch, new FM radio stuff, lots of new dirs in the .rockbox directory... |
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| 08:29:10 | scott666 | ok, its posted to the list |
| 08:29:26 | scott666 | if anyones still awake who cares |
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| 12:16:18 | Bagder | howdy |
| 12:16:27 | tracktheripper | hi badger |
| 12:16:59 | tracktheripper | ive ran out of ideas for requests :-( |
| 12:17:44 | tracktheripper | bet you are well pleased :-) |
| 12:18:05 | Bagder | I think we have requests to fill up a few years ahead ;-) |
| 12:19:16 | tracktheripper | cool :-) |
| 12:19:23 | tracktheripper | ive a good one :-) |
| 12:19:53 | tracktheripper | "Turn off 'Rejected', 'Invalid' and 'Works For Me' in Sourceforge :-) |
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| 12:49:42 | earHurts | in rb, pointers are 4 byte aligned? |
| 12:50:11 | Zagor|away | yes |
| 12:50:43 | earHurts | time for some ugly code then |
| 12:52:15 | earHurts | when shuffle is on, can I determine what the next song would be in NON shuffled mode? |
| 12:53:10 | Zagor|away | no |
| 12:54:08 | earHurts | you sure? I mean, if I turn shuffle off while song x is playing, don't I get song x+1 next? |
| 12:55:29 | Zagor|away | yes, but the list must be resorted to get it |
| 12:55:42 | Zagor|away | so, unless you actuall unshuffle it you can't find out |
| 12:56:09 | earHurts | ah |
| 12:57:04 | adi|home | well.. you wouldn't have to unsuffle.. |
| 12:57:16 | adi|home | you could just open the playlist, read to the offset you do know |
| 12:57:21 | earHurts | so the songs in the playlist have orinal numbers |
| 12:57:26 | adi|home | and parse to the next cr... |
| 12:57:32 | earHurts | ordinal, even |
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| 12:57:35 | adi|home | but it doesn't really help you all that much |
| 12:57:59 | adi|home | the 'playlist' for rockbox is a list of the offsets into a file for a particular song |
| 12:58:12 | adi|home | then we shuffle that list off offsets |
| 12:58:21 | Zagor|away | (i'm really away now... :) |
| 12:58:21 | earHurts | into a file! |
| 12:58:28 | adi|home | so if you want to call that ordinal, then yup. |
| 12:58:37 | adi|home | earHurts: yup.. into your playlist file |
| 12:58:42 | earHurts | so I could just read line x + 1 of the original file |
| 12:58:48 | adi|home | yup |
| 12:58:59 | adi|home | but it wont' help you for file x+y |
| 12:59:04 | adi|home | song rather |
| 12:59:27 | adi|home | because the playlist (to be efficient) will still hve to be "unshuffled" which means just reading in the file and parsing it again. |
| 12:59:41 | adi|home | make sense? |
| 12:59:50 | earHurts | yeah |
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| 13:00:34 | earHurts | maybe I'll keep two copies of the lists of pointers |
| 13:00:45 | adi|home | waste of space.. |
| 13:00:48 | adi|home | what are you trying to do? |
| 13:01:04 | adi|home | maybe i can offer advice since im not up close on the code |
| 13:01:19 | earHurts | I have classical music. usually, each movement of a work is a seperate track |
| 13:01:34 | earHurts | but I want all movements to play in order |
| 13:01:48 | earHurts | while shuffling the works |
| 13:02:05 | adi|home | okay... i think i understand... |
| 13:02:14 | PsycoXul | nestable playlists! |
| 13:02:19 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:02:25 | adi|home | basically thats what he wants yup. |
| 13:02:26 | PsycoXul | with shuffle toggles for each layer? |
| 13:02:28 | earHurts | Psy yes, that would work |
| 13:02:42 | earHurts | and indeed, it has occurred to me |
| 13:02:58 | earHurts | but I'm thinking of generated playlists |
| 13:02:59 | adi|home | but we can't make our playlists include codes to make them recursive |
| 13:03:05 | adi|home | that would make them not standard |
| 13:03:24 | PsycoXul | hmm |
| 13:03:25 | earHurts | the #EXTINFO|line is standard and extensible |
| 13:03:39 | adi|home | bah.. humbug |
| 13:03:59 | earHurts | in any case |
| 13:04:07 | PsycoXul | yeah but anything that doesn't know the thing telling it what playlist to recurse to will miss whatever's in that 2nd playlist |
| 13:04:14 | PsycoXul | which makes that playlist incomplete |
| 13:04:29 | earHurts | an auto playlist won't be nested |
| 13:04:59 | earHurts | so I thought of a kludge |
| 13:05:04 | earHurts | an ugly kludge |
| 13:05:12 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 13:05:34 | earHurts | We suffle as usual. |
| 13:05:58 | earHurts | when we load an mpeg, we check the TPOS tag |
| 13:06:30 | adi|home | are we sure to have a TPOS tag on every file? |
| 13:06:36 | earHurts | if it's not blank and doesn't start with [0]*1 |
| 13:07:13 | earHurts | we skip the song. if it is [0]*1 |
| 13:07:38 | earHurts | we play it and the subseqent tracks |
| 13:07:55 | adi|home | but how do you know what those 'subseqent' tracks are? |
| 13:08:16 | earHurts | I'm assuming the tpos is of the form 1/4 |
| 13:08:29 | earHurts | current/total |
| 13:08:48 | adi|home | rigth.. but if the playlist is shuffled.. there is no way to assure that the next file on the playlist is 2/4 |
| 13:09:31 | earHurts | thus the need to find the next unshuffled track |
| 13:10:00 | adi|home | still won't solve your problem |
| 13:10:11 | earHurts | oh? |
| 13:10:19 | adi|home | what if the first (very first) file i hit on the shuffled playlist is 3/4? |
| 13:10:28 | adi|home | do we 'search back' till be find 1/4? |
| 13:10:31 | earHurts | you skip it |
| 13:10:55 | earHurts | optionally, you also remove it from the playlist pointer list |
| 13:11:07 | adi|home | might i offer an easier solution? |
| 13:11:18 | earHurts | please |
| 13:11:26 | adi|home | okay.. let me see if this helps you.. |
| 13:11:35 | adi|home | take the sorted list (normal playlist) |
| 13:12:06 | adi|home | jump to a random point (its a playlist, you know how big it is, so take a random # from 1 - sizeof(list)) |
| 13:12:16 | adi|home | now.. see if that is your 1/4 |
| 13:12:34 | adi|home | if not... skip till you find it (you are in a sorted list so you know how far to jump ahead) |
| 13:13:02 | adi|home | now.. play until you finish songs listed in that directory (you can compare path's minus the filename itself) |
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| 13:13:18 | adi|home | when you finish that directory.. choose a new random # |
| 13:13:32 | earHurts | two probs |
| 13:13:58 | earHurts | one, to find the tpos we have to read the mpeg (at least the id3 part) |
| 13:14:17 | earHurts | that's expensive |
| 13:14:40 | earHurts | two, we can have >1 works per directory |
| 13:15:20 | adi|home | if you have >1 works per direcoty you have no choice but to read the id3 tags.. so you are screwed no matter what. |
| 13:15:50 | adi|home | now.. lets say we have 3 works in a single direcoty |
| 13:15:53 | adi|home | works a, b, c |
| 13:15:56 | earHurts | in dir bach concerti: work 1 track 1 tpos 1/4... w1 t4 tpos 4/4... w2 t1 tpos 1/3.... |
| 13:16:04 | adi|home | would you want them played in sorted order... or |
| 13:16:23 | adi|home | a, <some work from another direcoty>, b, <work from antoerh dir> etc... |
| 13:16:26 | adi|home | or just a, b, c |
| 13:16:29 | earHurts | i'd shuffle the works but not the movements in each work |
| 13:16:47 | adi|home | okay... |
| 13:16:50 | adi|home | now... |
| 13:16:59 | adi|home | would you shuffle works across compossers? |
| 13:17:06 | earHurts | sure |
| 13:17:27 | adi|home | okay... then you have to break out the works into subdirs |
| 13:17:43 | adi|home | if you don't you don't know at what point you are dealing with a diff composer or a diff work |
| 13:17:56 | adi|home | unless you read the id3 tags as i said |
| 13:18:12 | earHurts | yeah, you need to read the tags |
| 13:18:19 | earHurts | tpos, at least |
| 13:18:34 | adi|home | now.. let me just see if i get this |
| 13:18:44 | adi|home | you would present the user with 3 options now. |
| 13:18:51 | adi|home | 1. play the playlist straight |
| 13:18:57 | adi|home | 2. play the random shuffled playlist |
| 13:19:16 | adi|home | 3. play the playlist by artist/composer and album/work? |
| 13:19:23 | earHurts | nope |
| 13:19:27 | adi|home | namely.. all of bach, then all of leintz |
| 13:19:51 | earHurts | 3. play shuffled except for movements in a larger work |
| 13:20:03 | adi|home | _and_ 4 |
| 13:20:18 | adi|home | play shuffled works within the artist |
| 13:20:28 | adi|home | namely.. all of bach's works randomly |
| 13:20:40 | adi|home | or all of bachs and brahms work's randomly mixed |
| 13:20:50 | earHurts | we don't need your three, because we can dynamically create a playlist at whatever level in the dir hierarchy |
| 13:21:06 | earHurts | my hierarchy anyway |
| 13:21:20 | earHurts | genre/subgenre/composer/album |
| 13:22:07 | earHurts | classical/baroque/bach/goldberg variations |
| 13:22:40 | adi|home | right.. but you can't just dynamically create a playlist at any level.. |
| 13:22:51 | earHurts | sure I can |
| 13:22:57 | adi|home | because if you do it at bach/ you get his movements randomly.. fine |
| 13:23:03 | earHurts | dynamic playlist, recurse subdirs |
| 13:23:09 | adi|home | if you do it at baroque you get all the barogue |
| 13:23:32 | adi|home | but how do you differentiate between random composer and random composer AND album |
| 13:24:37 | earHurts | I don't understand |
| 13:25:07 | adi|home | trying to find a better way to state it.. just a moment |
| 13:25:41 | adi|home | okay... |
| 13:25:53 | adi|home | lets say we have classical/baroque |
| 13:26:03 | adi|home | i don't know classicall.. so im inventing here :) |
| 13:26:14 | adi|home | and in that we have bach, mozart, and harry |
| 13:26:20 | earHurts | ok |
| 13:26:37 | adi|home | now.. i want to listen to all of bach's works in random order |
| 13:26:43 | earHurts | yah |
| 13:26:54 | adi|home | so i hear all the goldberg variations |
| 13:27:02 | earHurts | you start your playlist in the bach dir |
| 13:27:07 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:27:15 | adi|home | but _now_ i want to hear harry's works |
| 13:27:18 | adi|home | no prob.. same thing |
| 13:27:48 | adi|home | finally.. i want to hear a work of harry's then a work of bach's then a work of harry's again (lets assume that that is random) |
| 13:27:55 | adi|home | how do i do that? |
| 13:28:10 | adi|home | you are only allowing me to randomly play the order of my composers with your recursion |
| 13:28:21 | earHurts | you start the plsylist in the lowest common parent dir |
| 13:28:40 | earHurts | so you get mozart as well, too bad |
| 13:28:45 | adi|home | ie: baroque? |
| 13:28:50 | adi|home | in this case |
| 13:28:51 | earHurts | yeah |
| 13:29:09 | earHurts | (mozarts's more classical, but... :) |
| 13:29:15 | adi|home | okay.. then how do i do all of harry, all of bach and all off mozart.. |
| 13:29:28 | adi|home | you see what im getting at? |
| 13:29:32 | earHurts | the lowest common parent |
| 13:29:41 | adi|home | which is baroque ;) |
| 13:29:49 | earHurts | yeah |
| 13:29:55 | adi|home | but you already said that plays random works of those composers, which isn't what i want :) |
| 13:30:06 | adi|home | okay.. lets think outline.. cause names are confusin.. |
| 13:30:07 | earHurts | I'm ok with random |
| 13:30:17 | adi|home | lets say we have A, B, C |
| 13:30:22 | earHurts | as long as eaxh work isn't shuffled |
| 13:30:35 | adi|home | right.. but your going to confuse ppl.. |
| 13:30:46 | earHurts | yeah |
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| 13:31:38 | adi|home | because it doens't make sense why they randomness occurs at the last parent node in the tree no matter where you choose to go random |
| 13:32:01 | earHurts | becuase only ordered movements matter to me |
| 13:32:10 | adi|home | right :) to you |
| 13:32:22 | adi|home | what do you tell someone who tries to use this.. |
| 13:32:25 | earHurts | think of a work of n movements as a song |
| 13:32:28 | adi|home | i mean what are the rules to it? |
| 13:32:32 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:33:00 | earHurts | imagine a regular song was split into 4 tracks, one for eaxh verse of the song |
| 13:33:05 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:33:15 | adi|home | basically "this is my work of diff movements".mp3 |
| 13:33:25 | earHurts | uh, yeah |
| 13:33:40 | earHurts | so I want to shuffle rock |
| 13:34:16 | earHurts | but I don't want each verse of stairway to heaven split and played at different times and out of order |
| 13:34:35 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:35:02 | adi|home | i understand what you mean.. im just saying you have to be careful because if you aren't you are going to confuse the heck outta ppl :) |
| 13:35:15 | earHurts | but i'm ok with a song by the beatles, then a floyd, then a beatles, then a skynyrd |
| 13:35:21 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:35:23 | adi|home | right |
| 13:36:00 | earHurts | the problem is eaxh verse has a seperate "name" |
| 13:36:06 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:36:24 | adi|home | no matter what you do (back to 100 lines ago :) ) you have to read the mp3 to get the tag no matter what... |
| 13:36:35 | earHurts | (really a direction how it should played: "fast", "slow", etc.) |
| 13:36:36 | adi|home | unless you break stuff into subdir's.. as you said you didn't want to |
| 13:36:45 | earHurts | yeah |
| 13:37:02 | earHurts | actually, for mozart each work is in a subdir |
| 13:37:11 | earHurts | but that's a pain |
| 13:38:03 | earHurts | I just had a dunbass idea |
| 13:38:10 | adi|home | i still say keeping an ordered list is best |
| 13:38:12 | adi|home | k.. shoot |
| 13:38:37 | adi|home | btw.. not trying to be a pain on all this.. just trying to be a sounding board for ya :) |
| 13:38:38 | earHurts | fake mpgs |
| 13:38:46 | adi|home | i tend to think better in discussion so :) |
| 13:39:02 | earHurts | no, what you're doing is exactly why I broached the idea here |
| 13:39:03 | adi|home | fake mp3s? doing what? |
| 13:39:10 | adi|home | k ;) |
| 13:39:17 | earHurts | being a continer for real ones |
| 13:39:21 | earHurts | container |
| 13:39:36 | adi|home | we call those directories ;) |
| 13:39:55 | earHurts | yeah, I said a dumbass idea, right? |
| 13:40:01 | adi|home | :) |
| 13:40:24 | adi|home | well.. keep explaining it.. it might give you/us other ideas |
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| 13:41:14 | adi|MurderingChi | damn |
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| 13:41:26 | earHurts | who's chi? |
| 13:41:37 | adi|home | nah.. was seeing how long the name tag was :) |
| 13:41:45 | adi|home | adi|MurderingChickensWhileTheSleepInPeacefulPiggyDreams |
| 13:42:17 | earHurts | hmm |
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| 18:23:01 | scott666 | anybody here? |
| 18:28:09 | | Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 18:28:13 | Zagor | i'm here |
| 18:28:51 | scott666 | hey |
| 18:30:07 | scott666 | see my menu thing on the list? |
| 18:30:24 | Zagor | yeah |
| 18:30:31 | scott666 | comments? |
| 18:30:41 | scott666 | i havnt gotten any feeback yet |
| 18:30:43 | Zagor | but a menu reorganisaton is not the difficult thing |
| 18:30:55 | scott666 | what is then? |
| 18:31:03 | Zagor | what we need is a whole new "think" about how we use buttons in the wps and overall |
| 18:31:36 | scott666 | but it would have to be easy enough for users of older versions to pick up |
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| 18:32:04 | Zagor | yes. it must be a noticable improvement, just not "a little better" |
| 18:33:05 | scott666 | i defeintly think programmable f2 and f3 should be added |
| 18:33:23 | Zagor | yeah, but a bit more details than a vague "programmable" concept is required |
| 18:34:00 | scott666 | i mentioned it in my menu thing |
| 18:34:03 | Zagor | there are a few well-written proposals alredy. unfortunately i don't have the links right now. |
| 18:34:39 | scott666 | well, i supposed mine wasnt that well written |
| 18:34:39 | scott666 | heh |
| 18:35:17 | Zagor | well, it was a good suggestion for an updated menu layout. but we need to take a bigger look at it. |
| 18:35:38 | hardeep | Bagder's proposal here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-04/0946.shtml |
| 18:36:12 | hardeep | Zagor: what was the problem you saw in the plugin_get_buffer() call in my patch? |
| 18:36:43 | Zagor | hardeep: i was wrong. it looked like you gave a bad address to the memory. |
| 18:37:06 | hardeep | ah |
| 18:37:51 | Zagor | you have my blessing to commit it |
| 18:37:52 | hardeep | Zagor: would you prefer a playlist viewer to be added as a plugin or a build-in module? |
| 18:38:22 | Zagor | a plugin, i think |
| 18:38:33 | Zagor | unless there are strong reasons against |
| 18:38:49 | hardeep | Zagor: not really, just need to export all the playlist functions |
| 18:39:28 | Zagor | do we, really? |
| 18:39:50 | hardeep | Zagor: oh, i was referring to a dynamic playlist viewer, not for viewing m3u files |
| 18:40:06 | Zagor | ah, ok. yeah, that's a different story. |
| 18:41:18 | Lynx0 | is there a way to look at m3u files with the text viewer plugin? |
| 18:41:22 | Zagor | i'd say we add it as an internal module to start with |
| 18:41:34 | hardeep | Lynx0: rename to .txt and view |
| 18:41:36 | Zagor | Lynx0: not currently. but that will be added soonish. |
| 18:42:00 | hardeep | Zagor: either way is okay |
| 18:42:02 | Lynx0 | hardeep: I could have thought of that one :) |
| 18:42:41 | Zagor | hardeep: yeah, i just prefer to not export all those playlist functions in the plugin api until i'm sure we really want that |
| 18:43:01 | hardeep | ah, okay |
| 18:45:48 | scott666 | hmmmm....thats odd. i seem to have magically lost 30% of my battery |
| 18:46:59 | Lynx0 | scott666: is it smaller now ? ;-) |
| 18:47:13 | scott666 | *30% of my charge |
| 18:47:18 | scott666 | :-þ |
| 18:48:49 | scott666 | it was at 95% and a i turned it off. turned it back on and its at 63% |
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| 18:56:20 | scott666 | now its back up to 75% |
| 18:56:40 | scott666 | odd.. |
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| 19:15:28 | Lynx0 | cu |
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| 19:18:02 | diddystar5 | welcome back Zagor! |
| 19:18:07 | Zagor | thanks |
| 19:18:20 | Zagor | i'll be away for next week too, though :) |
| 19:21:39 | diddystar5 | there are a few // comments in calendar.c! |
| 19:22:41 | Zagor | yeah, some non-policed code has crept in during my absence. i will assimilate it later. |
| 19:33:32 | Hes | Ahh, just upgraded to a brand new daily build. Plugins rocks. |
| 19:34:21 | diddystar5 | Hes: do you own a player or recorder? |
| 19:34:32 | Zagor | anyone tried the new player game? |
| 19:34:40 | Hes | Recorder 20 (with a 40G disk) |
| 19:35:48 | diddystar5 | i tried it on the simulator |
| 19:37:06 | diddystar5 | Zagor: i remember a LONG time ago someone wrote a maze game for the player do you still have it? |
| 19:37:33 | Hes | I have an idea for plugins... once a plugin is running, could a special keyboard combination (and an API call from the plugin) 'suspend' the plugin and give the control back to the normal UI thread? |
| 19:37:36 | Zagor | no. was it ever published? |
| 19:38:00 | Hes | And then, it could be resumed later. |
| 19:38:08 | Zagor | Hes: tricky. that would require a lot of logic in the plugin |
| 19:38:22 | diddystar5 | humm i don't remember... |
| 19:38:43 | Hes | Zagor: hm, why? Dang, I though it would have been trivial. 8-) |
| 19:40:30 | Zagor | Hes: well the only way to suspend the thread is to save all variables and return, and then resume when called the next time. a callback won't work. |
| 19:41:43 | Zagor | yay, the jackpot game is pretty cool |
| 19:43:03 | Zagor | very boring, but cool :) |
| 19:43:13 | Hes | hm, would an alternative be saving the stack of the plugin, or having a separate stack space? |
| 19:44:02 | Zagor | well the plugins run in the gui thread and so use the gui thread stack. we'd have to run them in a new thread or make nasty stack tricks. |
| 19:44:21 | Hes | (which remainds me of something - I wonder how long it takes before someone makes a stack-smashing exploit that runs SH-1 code from say, id3 tags 8-] ) |
| 19:44:42 | Hes | I guess I was thinking of nasty stack tricks. 8-) |
| 19:45:03 | Zagor | should be too easy outside of plugins, actually |
| 19:45:18 | diddystar5 | zagor: i found that old game in the mail archive http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-08/1039.shtml |
| 19:45:24 | Zagor | i think you should start with describing what you want to achieve :) |
| 19:45:38 | Zagor | diddystar5: ok, nice |
| 19:47:59 | Hes | It could be cool to be able to switch songs or tune volume while a plugin is running (for example in a middle of a good, long game 8-) |
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| 19:52:31 | Zagor | Hes: agreed. |
| 19:52:37 | diddystar5 | gotta go |
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| 19:55:41 | Hes | I've been wondering if the current charging algorithm still sucks badly on some hardware/batteries, or is the init code still bust... |
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| 19:56:17 | Hes | and if people have really been using the rockbox charger or not so far. |
| 19:56:35 | Hes | Once they flash they're almost forced to do so. |
| 19:59:49 | Zagor | yes. i guess there is an unsolved issue with the flash. |
| 19:59:58 | Zagor | however charging seems to work fine for me |
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| 20:50:56 | adi|home | Zagor you around? |
| 20:51:47 | Zagor | yup |
| 20:51:51 | adi|home | k... |
| 20:51:59 | adi|home | im trying to fix the build warnins on the simulator... |
| 20:52:22 | adi|home | i can fix it for linux.. but it just causes more on Windows because of diff types. |
| 20:52:24 | Zagor | ah, that's a bit messy. i don't want #ifdefs around each function |
| 20:52:31 | adi|home | nods |
| 20:52:57 | adi|home | other problem is that if we don't have 2 diff #defins for win/lin then we don't build proper anyways |
| 20:53:08 | Zagor | i think the proper fix is to change rockbox read() etc to use the ssize_t etc types |
| 20:53:30 | Zagor | that makes it more POSIX compliant too |
| 20:53:31 | adi|home | well.. that will still cause build errors on windows |
| 20:53:45 | adi|home | i think anywyas |
| 20:53:47 | Zagor | really? |
| 20:54:01 | adi|home | i think.. not sure.. ill have to play with it later.. |
| 20:54:27 | adi|home | either way.. we would need ssize_t, size_t, off_t |
| 20:55:15 | adi|home | are those just defined as types somewhere? |
| 20:57:32 | Zagor | yes |
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| 20:58:43 | adi|home | so basically we would just do #define ssize_t int |
| 20:58:44 | adi|home | ? |
| 20:59:29 | Zagor | no, we should use typedefs |
| 20:59:42 | adi|home | k |
| 20:59:52 | Zagor | but I'm not sure exactly how I want this. it's a little complicated. |
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| 21:01:54 | adi|home | well... would it be along the way that time_t is defined in firmware/include/sys/timeb.h |
| 21:22:01 | Zagor | either that or a special types.h |
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| 21:27:08 | hardeep | woo |
| 21:27:16 | hardeep | anyone up for testing a new feature? |
| 21:28:08 | scott666 | maybe |
| 21:28:23 | scott666 | what/where is it? |
| 21:29:12 | hardeep | Dynamic playlist viewer. Binaries/patch can be found at: http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/viewer/ |
| 21:29:32 | hardeep | Accessible from Menu->Playlist Options->View Dynamic Playlist |
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| 21:30:05 | hardeep | You can "PLAY" a new track, and ON+PLAY gives you Delete and Move |
| 21:30:36 | scott666 | viewer fm seems to think its an mp3 |
| 21:31:33 | hardeep | scott666: it's a firmware binary, just rename to ajbrec.ajz and copy to your root folder... or ROLO into it if you prefer |
| 21:32:11 | scott666 | yeah but on the site its viewer-fm.mp3 |
| 21:32:15 | scott666 | shouldnt it be ajz? |
| 21:32:56 | hardeep | scott666: bizarre, IE is renaming it to .mp3, it's saved as .ajz |
| 21:33:10 | hardeep | scott666: just manually rename |
| 21:33:10 | scott666 | yeah |
| 21:33:13 | scott666 | i did |
| 21:35:14 | scott666 | roloing... |
| 21:38:54 | scott666 | can it say 'playlist empty' instead of 'error'? |
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| 21:45:19 | scott666 | move is a little confusing |
| 21:46:39 | scott666 | it seems logical to move it one down to me for some reason |
| 21:47:26 | scott666 | maybe add options 'move up one' and 'move down one' |
| 21:50:07 | scott666 | other than that its great! i wish there was something similar for .m3u files |
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| 22:14:59 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor, do you read? |
| 22:18:58 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, different subject: is anybody using mIRC? |
| 22:20:28 | [IDC]Dragon | How do I quote people's nick when addressing them? So far I type it in. |
| 22:20:41 | scott666 | im using mIRC |
| 22:21:12 | [IDC]Dragon | tell me some tricks |
| 22:21:16 | scott666 | dont konw any |
| 22:21:17 | scott666 | lol |
| 22:22:00 | scott666 | if you click on someones name it highlights it in the user list |
| 22:22:19 | scott666 | if you double click it you get a new private window |
| 22:22:25 | scott666 | if you right click it you get options |
| 22:23:06 | [IDC]Dragon | But I havent't fount how to use that name |
| 22:23:14 | [IDC]Dragon | found |
| 22:23:15 | scott666 | use it? |
| 22:23:30 | [IDC]Dragon | scot666: I mean you. |
| 22:23:34 | [IDC]Dragon | like that. |
| 22:23:45 | scott666 | ahh |
| 22:24:01 | mecraw | try typing "z" then hit tab, "Zagor" shows up on my client |
| 22:24:07 | scott666 | i dont know what slap is but it interests me |
| 22:24:12 | scott666 | yeah |
| 22:24:23 | scott666 | or [+tab = [IDC]Dragon |
| 22:24:25 | * | [IDC]Dragon slaps scott666 around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:24:32 | * | scott666 slaps [IDC]Dragon around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:24:34 | [IDC]Dragon | that's slap |
| 22:24:38 | scott666 | yes it is |
| 22:24:39 | scott666 | lol |
| 22:24:57 | * | scott666 wonders how you do those |
| 22:25:09 | * | scott666 says, "oh." |
| 22:25:14 | * | [IDC]Dragon test |
| 22:25:31 | * | [IDC]Dragon astonished |
| 22:25:53 | [IDC]Dragon | fff |
| 22:26:13 | scott666 | if you type /emote it eats what you write |
| 22:26:34 | [IDC]Dragon | dfff |
| 22:26:35 | scott666 | ahh, anything with a / in front, i see |
| 22:26:39 | scott666 | fff? |
| 22:26:50 | [IDC]Dragon | wasn't eaten |
| 22:27:23 | scott666 | well mine is |
| 22:27:53 | [IDC]Dragon | is is possible to watch for the own name to appear, then make a sound or so? |
| 22:28:11 | [IDC]Dragon | (if you're not focused on the chat) |
| 22:32:16 | scott666 | go to options>sounds |
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| 22:33:25 | tracktheripper | hey! |
| 22:33:31 | scott666 | hey |
| 22:33:37 | tracktheripper | hi scotty |
| 22:33:37 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 22:34:11 | scott666 | hey! i had an idea |
| 22:34:28 | tracktheripper | yea? |
| 22:34:39 | scott666 | does someone want to make a plugin with me so i can learn what the hell im doing while still trying to be useful? |
| 22:35:02 | tracktheripper | well i cant' help u there since i cannot program :( |
| 22:35:25 | scott666 | so learn |
| 22:35:26 | scott666 | lol |
| 22:35:36 | tracktheripper | all i know is a bit of BASIC |
| 22:35:47 | scott666 | i can program, i just dont understand the rockbox specific stuff |
| 22:35:49 | scott666 | ...yet |
| 22:36:08 | tracktheripper | scott i was browsing some old requests. the "Make the LCD like a PDA touchscreen" made me laugh :)) |
| 22:36:16 | scott666 | lol |
| 22:36:49 | scott666 | wish there was a 'rejected: youre an idiot' option |
| 22:36:56 | scott666 | heh |
| 22:36:59 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 22:37:23 | tracktheripper | what about "Make the normal Recorder pick up FM like the FM recorder" |
| 22:37:44 | [IDC]Dragon | scott666: how about starting from the hello world example, then work it upwards? |
| 22:38:01 | scott666 | i looked at hello world |
| 22:38:18 | [IDC]Dragon | don't say it's too tough |
| 22:38:25 | scott666 | but theres just a _tiny_ gap between hello world and tetris |
| 22:38:47 | [IDC]Dragon | well, pich something intermediate first. |
| 22:38:51 | [IDC]Dragon | pick |
| 22:39:03 | scott666 | like? |
| 22:39:09 | [IDC]Dragon | hangman? |
| 22:39:22 | scott666 | i did that in python |
| 22:39:23 | scott666 | lol |
| 22:39:32 | scott666 | that was a fun language... |
| 22:40:02 | scott666 | oh! i did that in C++ too |
| 22:40:06 | tracktheripper | I have a good idea for a game!! |
| 22:40:11 | scott666 | what?? |
| 22:40:16 | [IDC]Dragon | actually, rockboy and plugins ar no good starter, since it's hard to debug. |
| 22:40:17 | tracktheripper | How about a basic "Fruit Machine" game for the Recorder? |
| 22:40:33 | scott666 | wtf is fruit machine? |
| 22:40:49 | scott666 | you have to make fruit? |
| 22:40:55 | tracktheripper | no! |
| 22:41:08 | scott666 | 'rockboy'? that sounds dirty and illegal |
| 22:41:09 | scott666 | lol |
| 22:41:11 | tracktheripper | its like what you see in amusement arcades |
| 22:41:28 | scott666 | uhhh...? |
| 22:41:41 | tracktheripper | oh look it up on Google |
| 22:41:42 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 22:41:56 | [IDC]Dragon | rockbox, that was a typo |
| 22:42:02 | scott666 | www.google.com/search?q=fruit+machine+game |
| 22:42:10 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 22:42:59 | scott666 | ahhh |
| 22:42:59 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: still not listening? |
| 22:43:12 | scott666 | slot machine |
| 22:43:45 | scott666 | crazy brits :-p |
| 22:44:11 | scott666 | why dont people use :-b? |
| 22:44:33 | scott666 | or :-þ |
| 22:44:50 | [IDC]Dragon | that looks difficult. |
| 22:45:00 | scott666 | alt+0254 |
| 22:45:08 | [IDC]Dragon | moustache |
| 22:45:17 | tracktheripper | :-þ |
| 22:46:06 | scott666 | yay |
| 22:46:17 | tracktheripper | cheers for that |
| 22:51:14 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: one last try befor I go to bed. |
| 22:51:41 | scott666 | timezones make statement like that very odd |
| 22:51:46 | scott666 | cause its 4pm here |
| 22:51:47 | scott666 | heh |
| 22:51:56 | scott666 | *statements |
| 22:52:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I've been sleeping at 4pm, too. |
| 22:52:43 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor? |
| 22:53:18 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, I'm out. |
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| 23:07:01 | Zagor | ouch, back now. too late... |
| 23:07:27 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 23:07:44 | mecraw | can we add building the UCLs to the default build process? |
| 23:08:27 | mecraw | "we" meaning "not me" since I'm not too proficient with make |
| 23:08:44 | scott666 | heh |
| 23:11:00 | Zagor | mecraw: yes, but it requires the ucl packer, which is a separate project |
| 23:11:18 | Zagor | not a big deal, just we haven't done that |
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| 23:16:33 | Zagor | "the terms of the Archo warranty as currently displayed on their website state that installation of any unauthorized software voids the warranty." can anyone find this? the website is apparently designed to only work on msie... |
| 23:17:35 | scott666 | ill look |
| 23:25:57 | scott666 | Q: How can I upgrade the size of the hard drive in my Jukebox FM Recorder? |
| 23:25:57 | scott666 | A: Archos does not offer hard drive size upgrades. |
| 23:25:57 | scott666 | There are other third-party companies that do offer this service. If you should decide to have this done to your unit, your factory warranty will be voided. |
| 23:25:57 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK scott666 |
| 23:25:57 | scott666 | Archos does not support units with modified hardware or firmware. |
| 23:26:24 | Zagor | do you have a link? |
| 23:26:32 | scott666 | http://archos.com/support/faq/faq_jukebox_fm_recorder.html |
| 23:26:46 | scott666 | its probably in all hte FAQs though |
| 23:27:43 | Zagor | fuzzy wording. "does not support" doesn't have to mean "will refuse warranty on", although at least in the case of hardware it most commonly does |
| 23:28:19 | Zagor | it's interesting that they at all mention the possibility of modified firmware... |
| 23:28:30 | scott666 | yeah |
| 23:29:15 | scott666 | Archos is currently working on also supporting WMA format for all Jukebox players. |
| 23:29:21 | scott666 | hmmmm |
| 23:29:36 | Zagor | right. and i have a nice bridge to sell you... |
| 23:29:43 | scott666 | heh |
| 23:30:05 | scott666 | The main user group for the Jukebox can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archos_mp3/ |
| 23:30:13 | scott666 | heh |
| 23:30:34 | Zagor | the recorder (not fm) faq states: "All other formats WAV, WMA, OGG, Etc. will not be support on the Jukebox Recorder product line." |
| 23:32:04 | scott666 | interesting |
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| 23:32:50 | tracktheripper | How do touchscreens on LCDs work? |
| 23:33:19 | scott666 | lol |
| 23:33:33 | tracktheripper | as in how does the glass magically know where the stylus is? |
| 23:33:45 | Zagor | tracktheripper: google is your friend |
| 23:34:15 | scott666 | very old ones little sensor dots |
| 23:35:35 | tracktheripper | yes Zagor |
| 23:35:40 | tracktheripper | whatever you say Zagor |
| 23:35:45 | tracktheripper | Google is my friend Zagor |
| 23:35:45 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 23:35:56 | Zagor | it's simply a better way to get better answers |
| 23:36:34 | tracktheripper | Yes Zagor |
| 23:36:44 | tracktheripper | ill try typing Zagor into Google and see what that brings up :-) |
| 23:37:01 | Zagor | i'm #2 |
| 23:37:08 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 23:37:10 | Zagor | #1 is a wacko italian comic |
| 23:37:18 | tracktheripper | oh right |
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| 23:37:22 | tracktheripper | i thought u was Sweedish |
| 23:38:28 | Zagor | i am. i used this nick for many years before someone pointed out there was a comic with the same name. |
| 23:39:10 | tracktheripper | cool |
| 23:39:32 | scott666 | sourceforge cant make 'ö's |
| 23:39:47 | tracktheripper | Zaggor is there ever gonna be a feature where you can make/erase folders and store recordings/playlists in the folder of your choice? |
| 23:40:05 | Zagor | probably, yes |
| 23:40:50 | tracktheripper | and is there gonna be a way you can alter the brightness of the backlight? |
| 23:41:18 | Zagor | probably not |
| 23:41:43 | Zagor | the only way to do that is to rapidly turn it on and off. too much cpu work for too little gain. |
| 23:42:05 | scott666 | yeah |
| 23:42:28 | tracktheripper | i asked that because ive noticed when it goes out it fades out |
| 23:42:52 | Zagor | that is not done in software |
| 23:43:10 | scott666 | http://www.a-regular-joe.com/GodzillaJesus.jpg |
| 23:43:59 | tracktheripper | oh |
| 23:44:25 | tracktheripper | the request "Make the Player's LCD like the Recorders LCD" is funny |
| 23:44:35 | scott666 | youre kidding |
| 23:44:42 | tracktheripper | im not i |
| 23:44:45 | tracktheripper | ill show u the link |
| 23:46:16 | Zagor | it's not funny, it's a waste of everybodies time |
| 23:47:10 | scott666 | yeah, that page is way too long |
| 23:48:25 | tracktheripper | ??? |
| 23:49:01 | tracktheripper | what isnt funny? |
| 23:49:16 | scott666 | stupid suggestions |
| 23:49:19 | Zagor | why is wasting our time funny? |
| 23:49:41 | Hes | people filling up nonsense requests is not funny after the first or second time someone does that... |
| 23:49:44 | tracktheripper | i didn't say it was |
| 23:49:59 | tracktheripper | i never file funny requests |
| 23:50:42 | tracktheripper | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=706783&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
| 23:51:01 | elinenbe | Zagor: anything new that you have been working on? |
| 23:52:07 | Zagor | no, i've mostly spend the last two days catching up :) |
| 23:52:27 | elinenbe | Zagor: I like the new daily build tables... |
| 23:52:28 | tracktheripper | Zagor do "Invert" for the Player as well :-) |
| 23:53:25 | elinenbe | Zagor: I think that you need to update the features page as well... |
| 23:53:28 | scott666 | that option doesnt work quite right for me, i get slightly dimmer lines going up and down |
| 23:53:58 | Zagor | elinenbe: what's missing? |
| 23:55:45 | scott666 | exactly |
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