#rockbox 2003-07-30

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#rockbox log for 2003-07-30

00:05:13	Plugh	this could take a while. Cygwin can be painfully slow at compiling
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00:44:50	elinenbe	cygwin is not that slow for the firmware
00:45:27	Plugh	probably not
00:45:36	Plugh	but compiling gcc is a bear
00:45:51	Plugh	binutils took about an hour and a half
00:46:13	Plugh	on a 1.0GHz P3
00:52:25	PsycoXul	crazy
00:53:09	Plugh	it took about a half hour on my 400MHz P3 Linux box
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01:05:32	Guest57	hi all
01:06:03	Guest57	is there a place where i could download the UCL version of the patch to get the 20-50% battery increase for the recorder 20
01:06:04	Guest57	thanks
01:06:29	Plugh	it's a blind study
01:06:37	Plugh	best to get on the mailing list
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01:07:08	Plugh	some will get the battery improvement code and some will get other code
01:07:18	Guest57	ok
01:07:31	Plugh	so basically, it's not ready enough for prime time that it's available as a patch
01:07:37	Guest57	but where could I get a compiled .ajz or .ucl file
01:07:53	Guest57	could u compile a version for me
01:08:07	Plugh	with the battery life patch?
01:08:14	Plugh	I don't have that code
01:08:19	Guest57	as ucl for the recorder
01:08:24	Guest57	yes if you can
01:08:42	Plugh	go get the daily build off rockbox.haxx.se
01:08:53	Plugh	for whatever is latest
01:08:53	Guest57	I get it
01:09:20	Guest57	so it must be included ? but I do not thinkx as it still a patch
01:09:33	Plugh	the only difference between that and tomorrow's (so far) is some backlight code
01:09:56	Guest57	ok
01:10:02	Plugh	it's not uploaded as an official code submission yet
01:10:10	Guest57	but is it really possible to get 20-50% incrzease
01:10:37	Guest57	it ll be really ... cool
01:10:37	Plugh	get on the mailing list, read the archive, and send mail to the person who asked for assistance testing their code
01:10:49	Plugh	We'll know in a week I guess
01:10:49	Plugh	;)
01:11:01	Guest57	so u do not have under the hand
01:11:06	Plugh	nope
01:11:15	Guest57	ok I will email the developper of this patch
01:11:16	Plugh	I sent him a mail like he asked
01:11:28	Guest57	thanks
01:11:32	Plugh	maybe he sends me improved life code
01:11:34	Plugh	maybe not
01:11:35	Plugh	:)
01:11:40	Guest57	and what doers he reply
01:11:52	Guest57	so I ve to sleep now
01:11:53	Plugh	he's still collecting names and configs
01:12:02	Plugh	nothing's gone out yet
01:12:04	Guest57	bye,
01:12:28	Plugh	seeya
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01:27:43	BoD[]	z!
01:27:51	Triple-z	does flash boot gonna be included in next frimwares?
01:28:45	Plugh	it's in current firmware
01:29:36	Triple-z	hmm i mean, like i that i wont have to get the zip etc
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01:35:18	Jensing	hello?
01:35:32	Plugh	woot! Just built my first bios under Windows
01:35:44	Jensing	can you also get help here
01:35:55	Plugh	you can ask
01:37:12	Jensing	Well I am useing the new version of the Rockbox for my Archos Studio 10 and I have about 650 files. When I turn it on today in the car I could not see all my files, it said DIR BUFFER FULL
01:37:51	Jensing	I could only see about 400 files
01:38:15	Jensing	How can I see all of my files
01:38:16	Jensing	?
01:38:38	Plugh	sounds like you put all the files in one directory
01:38:50	Jensing	well yeah
01:38:55	Plugh	the default limit is 400 per dir
01:39:02	Plugh	but you can raise it using the menu
01:39:06	Jensing	ok well how should i do that
01:39:16	Jensing	What do you think I should be doing
01:39:34	Plugh	general settings, System, Max files in dir browser
01:39:43	Plugh	I organized my music by genre
01:39:47	Jensing	ok
01:39:51	Plugh	into directories
01:40:10	Plugh	at some points, my dirs go about 4 deep
01:40:16	Jensing	well I use MusicMatch Jukebox, is there a way it can copy my files like that
01:40:38	Jensing	It would take a long time to do that
01:40:51	Plugh	it took a while, but it was rewarding
01:40:57	Jensing	but the genre is in the ID tag though
01:41:09	Plugh	you can open up the unit in My Computer
01:41:13	Plugh	as a hard drive
01:41:34	Plugh	then you can sort however you want
01:41:50	Jensing	all of my music is in one folder (My Music) on my computer
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01:42:07	tracktheripper	hey"
01:42:07	tracktheripper	!
01:42:11	Plugh	hiya track
01:42:35	Jensing	MusicMatch sorts my music on my HD from the ID tags
01:42:42	tracktheripper	hi
01:43:07	Plugh	Jensing: you can raise the limit to over 6000 songs in a directory, if that's how you prefer to sort
01:43:13	Plugh	I find it unwieldy
01:43:38	Jensing	yeah but then that way i can just copy a M3U file
01:43:51	Plugh	so can I
01:44:05	Plugh	you don't need all the files in the same directory for a playlist to work
01:44:27	Jensing	well how can I do that
01:44:40	Jensing	raise it over 600
01:44:57	Plugh	general settings, System, Max files in dir browser
01:45:43	Jensing	I dont see that
01:45:57	Plugh	are you in the menu now?
01:45:57	Jensing	I see general settings, System, no Max
01:46:01	Jensing	yes
01:46:31	Plugh	3rd option from the top on mine
01:46:54	Plugh	I'm running Friday's daily build right now
01:46:55	Jensing	Idle poweroff is mine
01:47:30	Plugh	ohh... studio 10 is different I think
01:47:32	Jensing	this is the file i downloaded
01:47:33	Jensing	rockbox-2.0-player.zip
01:47:34	Plugh	I have an fm20
01:47:55	Plugh	track, you know about this?
01:48:03	tracktheripper	what?
01:48:24	Plugh	Jen needs to increase the max files displayed per directory
01:48:38	Plugh	my menu appears to be different
01:48:39	Jensing	I am useing rockbox-2.0 for my Archos Studio 10
01:48:41	tracktheripper	well i dunno because i use playlists to organise the music not folders
01:48:44	Plugh	oh, wait.
01:48:53	Jensing	yeah
01:48:55	Plugh	that's an old build
01:49:00	Jensing	oh it is
01:49:08	Plugh	get the daily build
01:49:08	Jensing	where can i get a new one
01:49:26	Jensing	is it on the same site
01:49:29	Plugh	yes
01:49:36	Plugh	one of the links is daily builds
01:49:48	tracktheripper	the sourceforge website is broken again
01:49:59	Jensing	ok i see
01:51:01	Jensing	mod, rocks, full what one do you think i need
01:51:24	Jensing	I have the Archos Jukebox Studio 10
01:52:00	Plugh	full
01:52:25	Plugh	yay! My new build works
01:56:41	tracktheripper	:-)
01:56:48	tracktheripper	i can't be bothered to "flash" my JB
01:57:02	Plugh	not worth flashing, imo
01:57:06	tracktheripper	yeaq
01:57:16	Plugh	I'll be swapping out fw left and right
01:57:24	tracktheripper	if the flashing goes wrong you are out of luck
01:57:29	Plugh	some devs give me shit about it
01:57:37	Plugh	but I stand by my decision
01:58:20	tracktheripper	yea
01:58:42	tracktheripper	sometimes I need to use the Archos firmware for recording and playlist editing
01:58:45	tracktheripper	and file management
01:59:48	Plugh	heh. If I ever have to manage files using the archos fw again, I think I'd go into a murderous rampage
01:59:57	Plugh	it's so unintuitive and painful
02:00
02:00:44	tracktheripper	well for me its perfect
02:00:51	tracktheripper	that is Rockbox's Achille's heel
02:00:58	tracktheripper	poor playlist and file handling
02:01:04	Plugh	I'm excited about Tom's battery saver patches
02:01:27	Plugh	I've always built playlists and managed files on the PC
02:01:37	tracktheripper	I keep the Archos firmware along side Rockbox solely for playlist making and file management
02:01:54	tracktheripper	and for using the Archos on-the-fly disk drive diagnosis
02:03:39	Jensing	Dir Buffer Is Full
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02:03:43	Jensing	i still keep getting it
02:03:56	Plugh	did you set the max?
02:04:11	Plugh	it should be in the menu now
02:04:20	Jensing	yes i did
02:04:37	Jensing	like i said it is still telling me Dir Buffer Is Full
02:04:58	Plugh	it could be. You don't have a lot of memory in the unit
02:05:20	Jensing	no
02:05:25	Jensing	I found out what oit was
02:05:32	Plugh	oh?
02:05:38	Jensing	I needed to reboot the unit
02:05:43	Plugh	ahhh
02:05:45	Jensing	sorry
02:05:46	Plugh	yeah, that'll do it
02:05:54	Jensing	I am such a kiddie
02:05:57	Jensing	on that one
02:05:59	Jensing	sorry again
02:06:09	Jensing	but thanks for the help
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02:06:23	Plugh	enjoy
02:06:30	Plugh	think about sorting ;)
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02:15:11	Plugh	heya
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02:19:52	Plugh	hey Scott
02:19:56	scott666	hey
02:20:29	Plugh	just finished building my first firmware under Cygwin
02:20:35	scott666	fun
02:20:39	Plugh	copied it over and it works
02:20:53	Plugh	now I have something to do with my spare time riding the train
02:21:03	Plugh	like rewriting the memory code ;)
02:21:16	scott666	much better than freecell
02:21:22	Plugh	indeed!
02:22:08	Plugh	as far as freecell, it's all over now. I found it for my PalmOS phone
02:22:21	Plugh	now I can play during boring meetings
02:22:29	scott666	hehe
02:22:57	Plugh	beats working
02:23:05	scott666	doesnt everything?
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02:23:31	scott666	everythings so much more colorful on trillian
02:27:08	Plugh	I'm using gaim right now
02:27:25	Plugh	but there's a strong possibility I'm gonna go back to Trillian
02:27:41	scott666	i tried gaim, but i didnt like it much
02:27:56	Plugh	I used it for the encryption
02:28:00	scott666	much as i like open source
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02:28:28	Plugh	but since everyone I used to secure msg went to using waste, there's no real point in using such a buggy client
02:28:38	Jensing	I like Trillian
02:28:44	Jensing	I use Trillian Pro
02:28:57	scott666	i never got around to buying that
02:29:10	Jensing	cough, cough, cough.....
02:29:13	scott666	i wish theyd update more often
02:29:17	*	Plugh whistles and looks around innocently
02:29:42	scott666	*i never got around to getting a copy of that
02:30:28	Plugh	umm... neither did I. Nope. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything!
02:30:52	scott666	lol
02:31:05	Jensing	lol
02:31:36	Plugh	there's reasons why I like open source
02:31:50	scott666	i love the development speed
02:32:16	Jensing	you can kinda call it your own copy of the program and do as you wish
02:32:19	scott666	theres nothing faster than hackers with free time
02:32:47	Jensing	when it's open source
02:32:56	Plugh	and from my viewpoint as a QA guy, open source makes for faster response to bugs
02:33:07	scott666	yeah
02:33:17	scott666	cause people who actually USE it fix it
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02:33:49	scott666	theres all kinds of bugs ive found in trillian, but no way to fix them
02:33:50	Plugh	there's no one developer I can go to when I find a bug in Windows
02:34:17	scott666	well theres no ONE developer with linux either
02:34:25	Plugh	not like I've EVER found a bug in a Microsoft product... ahem
02:34:40	Plugh	if I find a bug in Linux, I know who to go to
02:34:50	Plugh	because they put their name in the code
02:34:51	BoD[]	i goto bed
02:34:53	BoD[]	a+
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02:34:59	Plugh	nite BoD
02:35:46	Plugh	but if it's simple enough, I can just go in and patch up the code myself
02:36:03	scott666	ill be back in a minute
02:36:07	Plugh	not like I've done that very often, though. I usually don't stumble onto Linux bugs
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02:39:05	Jensing	Hey Plugh
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02:39:30	Jensing	hey, Scott
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02:39:39	Jensing	how did that work out for you?
02:39:42	Jensing	hmmm
02:40:19	Jensing	Hey Plugh
02:40:20	Plugh	ya
02:40:50	Plugh	wow
02:40:53	Jensing	do you knwo if there is an easier way to setup a duel boot with linux on an XP system
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02:41:01	Plugh	1.89gig of new music going up
02:41:04	rhyno666	ok
02:41:10	rhyno666	fuck
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02:41:36	Plugh	I think you need to install XP then Linux
02:41:49	Jensing	i have XP installed
02:41:53	Jensing	I am useing that now
02:42:05	Jensing	but I wanted to setup a duel boot with Mandrake
02:42:13	Plugh	do you have any unpartitioned space on your hard drive?
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02:42:46	Jensing	I used Partition Magic Pro and tried to setup but I was having problems
02:43:01	Plugh	I've never used those things
02:43:09	rhyno666	how the hell do i fix my name...
02:43:11	Plugh	actually I haven't dual booted in years
02:43:18	Plugh	type /nick whatever
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02:43:26	Jensing	I thought there was an easier way other then setting it up manualy
02:43:28	scott666	thanks
02:43:31	Plugh	np
02:43:40	scott666	ok! trillian pro installed
02:43:44	Plugh	woot
02:43:45	Plugh	heh
02:43:46	Jensing	cool
02:43:50	Plugh	that was fast ;)
02:43:54	Jensing	you got it working Scott
02:44:02	scott666	ive seen that zip before, except mike had a virus in it
02:44:03	scott666	lol
02:44:13	Jensing	no i made that zip
02:44:20	Jensing	i collected thoes
02:44:32	Jensing	mostly the addons
02:44:41	Plugh	I wonder if I still have my virus collection :)
02:44:49	scott666	ive seen a similarly named one then
02:44:49	scott666	lol
02:45:14	Plugh	I used to have 1100 virii in a zipfile
02:45:24	Plugh	I'd use it to test virus scanning packages
02:45:25	Jensing	oh
02:45:35	Jensing	lol.... I wonder
02:45:38	scott666	lol
02:45:41	Jensing	on KaZaa???
02:45:50	scott666	id love to just install all of them on someones computer
02:46:09	Plugh	I had some nasty ones
02:46:21	scott666	'warning: 1000 viruses detected'
02:46:24	Plugh	I wrote one once that would dial 911 on the victim's modem
02:46:37	Plugh	never deployed it though
02:46:39	scott666	hahaha
02:46:59	scott666	simple yet effective
02:47:03	scott666	brilliany
02:47:04	Plugh	absolutely
02:47:46	Plugh	that was... 15 years ago? I'm a little wiser since
02:48:07	Jensing	any thoughts on what antivirus programs are the best out there
02:48:31	scott666	i hear good things about AVG
02:48:49	scott666	and avast
02:48:55	scott666	havnt used em myself
02:49:20	Jensing	I am useing Mcafee VirusScan 7 Professional w/ SecurityCenter
02:49:52	scott666	im using mcafee viruscan 4.5.1
02:49:54	scott666	lol
02:50:04	Jensing	thing I like about Mcafee is that it will detect trojans
02:50:58	Plugh	I have corporate Norton here
02:51:03	Jensing	NAV does detect most of them now
02:51:15	Plugh	most of my work is done in Linux though
02:51:18	Jensing	but there was a time where it didn't at all
02:51:23	Plugh	and Solaris
02:51:49	Jensing	anyone see Bad Boys 2 yet
02:51:59	Jensing	I watched it sunday night it was good
02:52:32	Plugh	my movie site is down right now
02:52:33	Plugh	;)
02:52:35	Jensing	guess i should not change topics too fast
02:52:54	scott666	shit. i didnt install the patch
02:52:57	Plugh	yeah, my head was spinning on top of my neck for a minute there
02:52:57	scott666	ill brb
02:53:07	Jensing	oh yeah
02:53:10	Jensing	you need the patch
02:53:15	Jensing	for AIM to work
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02:53:28	Plugh	patches? We don't need no steenking patches
02:53:35	Jensing	lol
02:53:54	Jensing	hey plugh
02:53:59	Plugh	how's the new firmware treating you?
02:54:00	Plugh	ya?
02:54:06	Jensing	what's with the bettary setting
02:54:21	Plugh	which one? The capacity?
02:54:28	Jensing	yesh
02:54:30	Jensing	yes
02:54:45	Plugh	that's just to estimate life remaining
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02:54:59	scott666	ok
02:54:59	Plugh	better?
02:55:14	Jensing	should be better
02:55:23	Jensing	the patch is for AIM
02:55:35	Jensing	it won't work without the c patch
02:55:53	scott666	it was working before
02:56:05	scott666	i had D for trillian
02:56:58	Jensing	well i am able to change the mAh amount in the bettary setting.... is this setting there if i get bettarys with more mAh
02:57:08	Plugh	yes
02:57:10	Jensing	oh ok
02:57:12	Jensing	cool
02:59:03	Plugh	I wish all my computers had USB 2.0
02:59:22	Plugh	taking 40 mins to copy 1.8gig to my FMR
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02:59:47	Plugh	my home box will do it in like 5
03:00
03:00:01	scott666	do you have a site login?
03:00:13	scott666	cant download plugins without an account
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03:00:58	Plugh	on sourceforge?
03:01:33	hardeep	you don't need an account to download plugins
03:01:39	hardeep	or any of the other source
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03:02:10	scott666	no no no, TRILLIAN plugings
03:02:20	Plugh	oh
03:02:28	*	Plugh shrugs
03:03:16	Plugh	I've been on sourceforge since the OSDN launch about 4 years ago ;)
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03:03:38	Plugh	Linux World Expo San Jose 1999
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03:14:25	Plugh	1.4 gig left on my 20gig unit
03:14:31	Plugh	I really need to upgrade
03:14:41	scott666	yeah me too
03:14:45	scott666	im outa space
03:15:09	Plugh	80gig sounds like something I could live with, but I know I'd have it full in a week
03:15:15	scott666	im scared though
03:15:38	Plugh	of soldering?
03:15:50	scott666	no, of fucking it up
03:16:09	Plugh	back it up. If it goes bad, spend another $200
03:16:28	scott666	its that last part that worries me
03:16:35	scott666	doesnt have a job
03:16:47	Plugh	ahhh
03:16:56	Plugh	that'd put a crimp in my style
03:18:13	scott666	i love to just pay someone to upgrade the HD and ram, and if they fuck it up they buy me a new one
03:18:41	scott666	mainly ram, thats a lot more intimidating
03:18:51	Plugh	HD is cake. RAM scares the shit outta me
03:18:57	scott666	yeah
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03:28:14	thu	hey
03:28:21	thu	I found a problem with rockbox
03:28:27	thu	mm anyone here?
03:28:33	scott666	i am
03:28:46	thu	scott666: are you a devel or user?
03:28:50	thu	I lost track of who's who
03:29:03	scott666	little of both
03:29:04	scott666	lol
03:29:10	thu	mmkay then
03:29:13	thu	recorder fm
03:29:19	scott666	yup
03:29:31	scott666	testing...
03:29:34	*	scott666 is listening to Tool - Eulogy *
03:29:37	scott666	sweet
03:29:42	thu	when playing files that are 32kbps instead of 128+ the buffer is awfully small
03:30:00	thu	so it doesn't last enough for the system to do a spinup and continue playing
03:30:09	thu	every time it has to spin up audio stops
03:30:14	thu	for a short time
03:30:41	thu	scott666: any idea in debug -> mpeg thread what the 2nd bar is?
03:30:54	thu	scott666: there is a large bar with the playable content and a smaller one
03:30:56	thu	is that the buffer?
03:31:17	scott666	no clue
03:31:22	scott666	id have to look
03:31:24	scott666	but im not going to
03:31:25	scott666	lol
03:31:41	thu	heh what a great guy
03:32:08	scott666	im doing too much at once
03:32:13	scott666	h/o ill look
03:32:18	hardeep	thu: the second bar represents the point where we start reloading the mpeg buffer
03:32:27	scott666	no i wont
03:32:27	scott666	lol
03:32:49	thu	hardeep: how come it's really tiny for 32kbps files and big for 256kbps+ files?
03:33:11	thu	hardeep: for 32kbps ones it's not enough to spin up and grab the next part so playback stops
03:33:38	thu	hardeep: any way to set it?
03:34:15	hardeep	thu: lower bitrate rate files take longer to use up the buffer, hence we can wait longer before reloading
03:34:34	hardeep	thu: a value you can play around with is Menu->General Settings->Playback->Anti-Skip Buffer
03:34:44	thu	hardeep: I have it to 7 secs
03:34:46	thu	which is max
03:35:03	thu	you want to see one of the files I'm having trouble with?
03:35:14	thu	you'll see it right away if you just watch the 2 bars while playing
03:35:36	hardeep	thu: i can't right now, but you may want to post it as a bug report and attach your file
03:35:47	thu	hardeep: I will.. I just found it
03:37:40	thu	hardeep: it's actually a problem with VBR
03:37:52	thu	hardeep: the files are between 192 and 256kbps
03:37:57	thu	but rockbox sees them as 32kbps
03:38:07	thu	and reserves a small buffer / whatever that is
03:38:41	MT	hmm
03:38:47	MT	bad mp3s
03:38:54	MT	?
03:38:55	hardeep	thu: ah, then there is probably a problem with the vbr header on those files
03:38:57	scott666	try vbr fix?
03:43:43	thu	scott666: how do I do that?
03:44:24	scott666	select the file in the dir brower and go to the on+play menu
03:44:36	scott666	or download a program on your computer and do it there
03:45:16	thu	I'll try it on one file in rockbox
03:48:53	thu	the gods are triumphant
03:48:55	thu	it worked
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04:56:18	Scorp	guys would you say that the charger that comes with the jukebox is decent or is it better to use an outside charger?
04:56:37	midknight2k3	the one included
04:56:41	midknight2k3	id say is fine
04:56:53	midknight2k3	i dobut it would make a difference with another one
04:57:02	midknight2k3	and it's reliable so far
04:57:33	Scorp	have you tried using diffrent batteries other than the ones supplied?
04:57:39	Scorp	I found ones at 2200 mAh
04:57:45	midknight2k3	recorder or player?
04:57:56	Scorp	player
04:57:59	midknight2k3	i have an fm recorder, before i had a recorder with 1850mah energizer batteries
04:58:06	midknight2k3	worked great
04:58:39	Scorp	frankly I'd love to trade my player in for a recorder and pay the price diffrence :-/
04:58:49	midknight2k3	yeah
04:58:53	midknight2k3	wish it were possibler
04:58:55	midknight2k3	possible
04:59:18	Scorp	I even emailed archos, but they don't do such things :-/
04:59:24	PsycoXul	heh
04:59:26	midknight2k3	they replied?
04:59:33	midknight2k3	that's a first
04:59:33	Scorp	yup
04:59:34	PsycoXul	i traded a player for an fm rec
04:59:43	Scorp	PsycoXul where?
04:59:46	PsycoXul	by bestbuy's warranty
04:59:49	midknight2k3	ghhere we golol
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05:00:08	Scorp	hell I'm even willing to trade for a 15 gig recorder (I have a 20 gig player)
05:00:18	Scorp	and I'll thrown in $20 :-/
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05:00:36	midknight2k3	i think even a 15 gig recorder would be more than a 20 different
05:00:39	midknight2k3	difference
05:00:39	PsycoXul	there was a difference in cost, but the fm then was actualy cheaper than what was paid for my player
05:00:46	PsycoXul	though they wouldn't give me the difference :p
05:00:49	midknight2k3	lol
05:01:42	Scorp	lol
05:01:53	Scorp	no the 20 gig recorder is only $8 more expensive
05:02:00	Scorp	I kick myself for not having bought it in the first place
05:02:02	midknight2k3	than the player?
05:02:43	Scorp	yup
05:02:57	midknight2k3	lol
05:03:02	midknight2k3	dod you try the jackpot game
05:03:04	midknight2k3	for the player?
05:03:35	Scorp	what jackpot game?
05:03:39	midknight2k3	plugin
05:03:42	Scorp	http://www.thomas-distributing.com/mh-4aa220.htm << 2200 mAh's
05:04:02	Scorp	is this to do with something of rockbox?
05:04:07	Scorp	I haven't been to the site in awhile
05:04:12	midknight2k3	yes
05:04:14	midknight2k3	plugin loader
05:04:17	Scorp	and haven't upgraded rockbox since I left my USB cable at someones house
05:04:23	midknight2k3	only about the biggest milestone yet lol
05:04:57	Scorp	do I have to use CVS to download the plugins?
05:05:03	midknight2k3	no
05:05:10	midknight2k3	they come in the daily build rocks package
05:05:18	Scorp	nm
05:05:19	Scorp	found it
05:06:52	Scorp	what other plugins are there for the player? are there discriptions and a list somewherE?
05:07:01	midknight2k3	theres jackpot game
05:07:08	midknight2k3	and a currency converter i think
05:07:09	midknight2k3	lol
05:07:22	midknight2k3	recorder has about 9 games, a calendar with memos, a text veiwer....
05:07:30	midknight2k3	4 demos
05:07:33	Scorp	a currency converter?! Everything I've ever wanted on my mp3 player :-/
05:07:38	Scorp	damn...
05:07:40	midknight2k3	i know lol
05:07:41	Scorp	I want the recorder
05:07:45	midknight2k3	i bet
05:08:12	Scorp	hey now, there is the helloworld plugin?
05:08:17	midknight2k3	yeah
05:08:21	midknight2k3	it shows text
05:08:22	Scorp	does your stinkin' player have that?!
05:08:24	midknight2k3	"hello world!"
05:08:27	midknight2k3	yes
05:08:31	Scorp	oh...
05:08:47	midknight2k3	it's just a plugin example of how it works
05:08:49	midknight2k3	and the format
05:09:04	Scorp	yeah I figured :-/
05:09:07	midknight2k3	da da da dada dadadum
05:09:15	Scorp	let's see how much I can get for the player at ebay...
05:09:16	midknight2k3	boo
05:09:24	midknight2k3	plyers reek
05:09:26	midknight2k3	:D
05:09:47	Scorp	I know :-/
05:09:51	Scorp	that's why I'm selling mine
05:10:16	midknight2k3	you are
05:10:22	midknight2k3	?:D
05:10:51	Scorp	yeah, wanna buy it?
05:10:56	midknight2k3	NO
05:11:01	midknight2k3	i like my fmr thanks
05:11:02	Scorp	...figured
05:11:20	Scorp	look at all the people on ebay selling their crappy players
05:11:29	midknight2k3	i got it
05:12:14	Scorp	If you like Archos Technology Jukebox Studio 20 you may also enjoy:
05:12:14	Scorp
05:12:14	Scorp
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05:12:14	Scorp	Suicide Kings
05:12:17	Scorp	rofl hahahaha
05:12:21	Scorp	what's true is true...
05:13:02	midknight2k3	i got an idea
05:13:06	midknight2k3	put on new rockbox version
05:13:11	Scorp	and?
05:13:18	midknight2k3	and feature as WITH ADDITIONAL REPLACEMENT FIRMWARE AT NO COST
05:13:25	midknight2k3	:D
05:13:27	Scorp	lol
05:13:32	midknight2k3	ill brb
05:13:42	Scorp	TOP SECRET SOURCE CODE INCLUDED!!!!111**
05:13:47	midknight2k3	lol
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05:33:02	Scorp	http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y02Y1402806Y3619885/103-8032025-6562207 <<< come on kids buy me!
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08:52:16	midknight2k3	bagder
08:52:23	Bagder	morning
08:52:23	midknight2k3	didnt even notice
08:52:27	midknight2k3	night
08:52:28	midknight2k3	lol
08:52:37	Bagder	:-)
08:52:45	midknight2k3	"morning" can come into play in.... 8 minutes
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08:53:18	midknight2k3	amazing
08:53:25	midknight2k3	tracktheri[[er!
08:54:19	tracktheripper	midknight spell it right please
08:54:32	midknight2k3	tracktheripper
08:54:44	midknight2k3	and the !
08:54:44	tracktheripper	thats better
08:54:50	midknight2k3	i hope so
08:55:04	tracktheripper	i saw u filed your request
08:55:19	midknight2k3	which?
08:55:36	tracktheripper	"run Windows 2003 Advanced Server on the Recorder"
08:55:47	midknight2k3	WHAT>
08:55:48	midknight2k3	when?
08:55:55	midknight2k3	did i?
08:56:00	midknight2k3	surre
08:56:06	midknight2k3	i will see myself
08:56:09	midknight2k3	if it is true
08:56:44	midknight2k3	liar
08:57:53	tracktheripper	:))
08:58:09	midknight2k3	make me go through all that
08:58:13	midknight2k3	what a bum :)
08:58:18	tracktheripper	:)))):))
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09:06:22	tracktheripper	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=706783&group_id=44306&atid=439121
09:08:21	hardeep	hmmmm, did the mailing list archive paths change recently? appears to be an extra "-" in the date that wasn't there before
09:08:39	midknight2k3	not an idea
09:08:51	Bagder	an extra?
09:09:08	Bagder	I don't think so
09:09:10	hardeep	dash, 2003-07 instead of 200307
09:09:27	Bagder	nah, its been there all the time
09:10:00	hardeep	strange, i had a link that had the other format... and i'm sure i cut and pasted it...
09:10:06	hardeep	must be losing my mind or something heh
09:10:16	Bagder	you're getting too old ;-)
09:12:57	tracktheripper	hi badger
09:13:07	Bagder	hi trackie
09:13:11	midknight2k3	trackie?
09:13:12	midknight2k3	lol
09:13:17	midknight2k3	heya trackie
09:13:26	midknight2k3	:)
09:14:09	tracktheripper	:-D
09:14:33	tracktheripper	ive ran out of ideas now :(
09:14:36	midknight2k3	here's a question
09:14:44	midknight2k3	you gave up remember?
09:14:50	tracktheripper	whatg?
09:14:54	midknight2k3	anyways... which smilies do you use in what cases?
09:15:02	tracktheripper	:-\
09:16:18	midknight2k3	wel
09:17:29	midknight2k3	i got it
09:17:29	tracktheripper	"change the canned response please"
09:17:31	midknight2k3	I GOT IT
09:17:31	tracktheripper	:)
09:17:37	midknight2k3	lol
09:17:38	midknight2k3	yeah
09:18:10	midknight2k3	From "this is not possible to implement, due to hardware limitations" to "this is impossible. please don't ask again!" :D
09:18:47	tracktheripper	shut up
09:18:48	tracktheripper	:D
09:19:28	midknight2k3	what?
09:19:29	midknight2k3	why?
09:19:30	midknight2k3	lol
09:19:33	midknight2k3	no i got a better
09:19:35	midknight2k3	one
09:19:59	midknight2k3	"Plug in a USB Wireless Router to transfer songs between other Archos units"
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09:21:45	tracktheripper	or "tell midnight2k3 to behave"
09:22:09	midknight2k3	please submit it
09:24:45	tracktheripper	:-(
09:27:47	midknight2k3	track
09:27:57	midknight2k3	what features do you want in rockos
09:28:00	midknight2k3	rockbox
09:28:01	midknight2k3	lol
09:28:03	midknight2k3	rockos?
09:28:11	midknight2k3	hey! rockos!
09:28:17	midknight2k3	Rockbox is the archos OS
09:28:19	midknight2k3	RockOS
09:28:23	midknight2k3	i made it up
09:28:27	midknight2k3	it's now copyrighted
09:28:31	midknight2k3	you have no permission to use it
09:29:29	Bagder	we'll steal it!
09:29:35	midknight2k3	better not
09:29:37	midknight2k3	its my idea
09:29:42	midknight2k3	you need permission :)
09:29:52	Bagder	oh no, you'll make a fortune on it!
09:29:57	Bagder	:-)
09:29:58	midknight2k3	and you hafta ask before you say it
09:30:05	midknight2k3	so make sure you ask first
09:30:08	midknight2k3	:D
09:30:21	midknight2k3	nobody dares ask for permission
09:30:29	midknight2k3	from the almighty midknight2k3
09:31:01	tracktheripper	midknight shut up :D
09:31:12	tracktheripper	you are talking out of your USB port
09:31:14	tracktheripper	:-)
09:31:16	midknight2k3	do you dare ask for permisiion?
09:31:18	midknight2k3	LOL
09:31:23	midknight2k3	out of your usb port
09:31:26	midknight2k3	how funny is that
09:31:43	midknight2k3	who dars ask for permission to use the best name thought up yes - "RockOS"
09:31:47	midknight2k3	who DARES?
09:32:09	Bagder	We'll call it R0ckOS instead ;-)
09:32:13	midknight2k3	no way
09:32:19	midknight2k3	all the alternatives are illega
09:32:23	midknight2k3	illegal that is
09:32:29	midknight2k3	so ask now, bud
09:32:30	midknight2k3	or never
09:33:41	midknight2k3	ask yet?
09:33:51	midknight2k3	see nobody wll because they fear me and my RockOS
09:33:57	tracktheripper	ok midknight whenis your feature request page open?
09:33:59	midknight2k3	and you can't say it hahahahahaha
09:34:07	midknight2k3	what?
09:34:20	midknight2k3	oh
09:34:24	midknight2k3	private chat :D
09:34:39	midknight2k3	so bagder
09:34:58	midknight2k3	do you dare infringe the copyrighted material i have rightly so... copyrighted?
09:36:25	midknight2k3	i got the idea
09:36:27	midknight2k3	actually
09:36:29	midknight2k3	what if...
09:36:43	midknight2k3	i chagned the Rockbox logo to RockOS logo on my box
09:36:55	midknight2k3	im sure i could come up with a nice on
09:37:23	midknight2k3	and a nice little "v. rockos2.0" at the bottom :D
09:37:53	tracktheripper	ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
09:38:08	midknight2k3	what
09:38:10	midknight2k3	come on track
09:38:18	midknight2k3	private chat, feature request book
09:38:22	midknight2k3	chatbox is logged
09:38:25	tracktheripper	you are boring the bollox of me now
09:38:26	midknight2k3	for furture reference
09:38:28	tracktheripper	:P
09:38:34	midknight2k3	i got an idea
09:38:47	midknight2k3	i could amke you a rockbox with a "tracktheri[[er" boot screen
09:38:48	midknight2k3	:D
09:39:03	midknight2k3	or show zagors face on the screen
09:39:05	midknight2k3	lol
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09:55:53	midknight2k3	erm
09:55:57	midknight2k3	"fsck"?
09:56:25	Bagder	fsck - check and repair a Linux file system
09:56:38	midknight2k3	no ty
09:56:43	midknight2k3	he better come back
09:56:48	midknight2k3	he just better
09:57:07	midknight2k3	aigh
09:57:11	midknight2k3	hes not gonna
09:57:12	midknight2k3	lol
09:57:15	midknight2k3	welp
09:57:40	midknight2k3	i guess the tracktheripper custom bounce plugin and modified ajbrec.ajz to work for him will wait till later
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10:13:21	midknight2k3	ok ok
10:13:25	midknight2k3	it's officially a night
10:13:31	midknight2k3	so good night whoever hears this
10:13:37	Bagder	night
10:13:39	midknight2k3	and remember, RockOS is copyrighted
10:13:46	midknight2k3	so NO SAYING IT
10:13:54	midknight2k3	unless you ask now before i leave
10:13:55	midknight2k3	:D
10:14:08	midknight2k3	well?
10:14:12	midknight2k3	are you going to ask?
10:14:13	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:14:13	*	Bagder looks at midknight2k3 in silence ;-)
10:14:26	*	midknight2k3 screams, "ask permission!!"
10:14:37	midknight2k3	im not leaving till you do
10:14:44	midknight2k3	so hmph
10:14:58	midknight2k3	if i have to sit here all night i will get you to ask permission
10:15:15	midknight2k3	i have my cygwin, i have my rio riot, im all se
10:15:17	midknight2k3	set
10:15:24	midknight2k3	so ask when you like
10:15:44	midknight2k3	and i'll be waiting
10:15:56	midknight2k3	....right here
10:16:08	midknight2k3	waiting... for you to.... to ask permiss...siion....
10:16:12	midknight2k3	sigh
10:16:15	midknight2k3	soon please?
10:16:37	*	midknight2k3 hears silence
10:16:54	midknight2k3	grr! you ignore me!
10:17:02	midknight2k3	i'm not just going to take that sitting down!
10:17:16	midknight2k3	well i might but i won't like it. >:(
10:17:28	midknight2k3	okokok
10:17:30	midknight2k3	bye then
10:17:31	midknight2k3	night
10:17:52	midknight2k3	ask permission.
10:18:00	midknight2k3	ok its too late
10:18:22	midknight2k3	wiat
10:18:24	midknight2k3	bagder
10:18:31	midknight2k3	can you set the channel topic?
10:18:38	Bagder	I can
10:18:47	midknight2k3	change it :D
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10:18:56	Mode	"#rockbox -t " by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
10:18:59	Bagder	go ahead
10:19:04	midknight2k3	what?
10:19:08	Bagder	now you can
10:19:09	midknight2k3	oh
10:19:11	midknight2k3	i can?
10:19:12	midknight2k3	how?
10:19:18	midknight2k3	oh oh
10:19:53	midknight2k3	hmm
10:19:55	midknight2k3	lets see
10:20:00	midknight2k3	"tracktheripper sucks"?
10:20:09	midknight2k3	lol no
10:20:12	midknight2k3	let me think here
10:20:13	midknight2k3	im so tired
10:22:24	Topic	"BockRox" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
10:22:34	Topic	"Rock.. Box.." by midknight2k3 (WinNT@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com)
10:22:49	Topic	"Everyone has flashed except tracktheripper" by midknight2k3 (WinNT@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com)
10:23:00	midknight2k3	i wonder how he'd take that
10:23:02	midknight2k3	:D
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10:24:01	Topic	"Nibbler is in da howse!" by midknight2k3 (WinNT@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com)
10:24:04	midknight2k3	:D
10:24:15	Nibbler	mornin :)
10:24:56	Topic	"tracktheripper is a geek! :-)" by midknight2k3 (WinNT@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com)
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10:25:01	midknight2k3	sounsd good enough
10:25:11	midknight2k3	lol
10:27:33	Topic	"Rockbox: 562.95% better than ordinary Archos firmware." by midknight2k3 (WinNT@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com)
10:28:08	midknight2k3	i can change the topic ehehehahahaha ha
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10:29:18	Topic	"Now where's that iPod?" by midknight2k3 (WinNT@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com)
10:29:58	midknight2k3	you know that tinyurl thing
10:30:02	midknight2k3	it's a big danger
10:30:07	Bagder	why?
10:30:23	midknight2k3	just take tinyurl.com/fxyd for example
10:30:35	midknight2k3	chagne the D to a Y and you see someeone elses tiny url
10:30:41	midknight2k3	or to anything
10:30:41	Bagder	and?
10:30:47	midknight2k3	and....
10:30:52	midknight2k3	it could be dangerous?
10:31:15	Bagder	if you add a secret url there, you can get it revealed, sure
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10:32:37	midknight2k3	aha!
10:32:43	midknight2k3	i could use my RockOS idea in the topic
10:32:47	midknight2k3	but how to implement it
10:33:39	midknight2k3	any ideas
10:33:50	midknight2k3	or any ideas for the topic to do with anything
10:33:57	midknight2k3	i have no good ideas yet
10:34:47	Topic	"Only 358 feaure requests left" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
10:34:52	Topic	"Only 358 feature requests left" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
10:35:10	midknight2k3	heh
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10:35:15	midknight2k3	eliminate tracktherippers
10:35:26	midknight2k3	just ban him lol
10:35:39	Bagder	most of his are mared invalid anyway
10:35:42	Bagder	marked
10:35:43	midknight2k3	i know
10:35:45	midknight2k3	hahahahah
10:35:53	midknight2k3	"sdd:sdf"
10:35:57	midknight2k3	you replied
10:36:03	midknight2k3	"Thanks a lot"
10:36:08	midknight2k3	ahahahaha
10:36:14	midknight2k3	thanks a lot
10:36:50	midknight2k3	you're so funny
10:37:06	midknight2k3	hey i want that red zone on peak meter
10:37:09	midknight2k3	track's request
10:37:25	Bagder	send in the patch
10:37:32	midknight2k3	i have none
10:37:39	midknight2k3	i have one
10:37:40	midknight2k3	lol
10:37:48	midknight2k3	release notes are as follows:
10:38:05	midknight2k3	peak meter refresh rate: changed from 40fps to 150fps
10:38:12	midknight2k3	may i submit?
10:38:40	Bagder	it would be closed without action
10:38:45	midknight2k3	why?
10:38:56	Bagder	because we can't waste cpu time on such things
10:39:04	Bagder	you'll get glitches in the sound etc
10:39:15	midknight2k3	how about up to 75fps?
10:39:21	midknight2k3	it seemed the same but was uch lower
10:39:25	midknight2k3	looked a lot nicer
10:39:31	midknight2k3	it was more in time to the music
10:40:22	midknight2k3	what i desperately want you guys to do (which i already have done) is put in the official rockbox a larger scroll speed setting
10:40:26	midknight2k3	30hz mbe
10:40:38	midknight2k3	then 1pixel scroll step is much usable
10:41:09	midknight2k3	it sucks to have to get new source all the time then modify it to make it a larger step
10:41:13	midknight2k3	speed that is
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11:09:17	midknight2k3	good night now
11:09:25	midknight2k3	i can barely keep my eyes open
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11:09:42	Bagder	night
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12:23:25	nevs	hey i need some help with rock box plz
12:23:43	nevs	hello?
12:23:48	Bagder	hi
12:23:52	nevs	hey
12:24:04	nevs	i just put rock box on my archos stuido 20
12:24:28	nevs	i copied the .rockbox folder and the archos.mod to the drive yeah
12:24:48	nevs	then loaded it up and evry thing worked
12:25:16	nevs	can u stop it from trying to load the archos firmware and then the rock box firmaware?
12:25:28	nevs	so i just loads rock box
12:25:41	Bagder	that's what the flashing is for
12:25:49	Bagder	which doesn't work on the player models (yet)
12:26:27	nevs	and also how comes if i turn repeat all off in setting in rock box, i turn it off, turn it on again and its got repeat all selected again
12:27:53	nevs	?
12:28:14	Bagder	calm down
12:28:22	nevs	sorry
12:28:34	nevs	im just wondering cuase its annoying
12:28:40	Bagder	because on players, it only saves the settings on the next disk operation
12:28:53	Bagder	if you have none, they won't be saved
12:29:57	nevs	?
12:31:16	nevs	what u mean?
12:31:29	Bagder	Rockbox saves the settings on the next disk operation
12:31:39	Bagder	so if you change anything
12:31:43	Bagder	and then shuts off
12:31:49	Bagder	no changed settings are saved
12:31:58	nevs	how to u save em?
12:32:00	Bagder	you need to make sure it has used the disk first
12:32:12	nevs	oh so like play a song
12:32:15	Bagder	yes
12:32:20	nevs	oh ok
12:32:54	nevs	im trying it now
12:33:11	nevs	it worked thx
12:33:46	nevs	also, how do u make it so it displays bit rate quailty on WPC
12:34:44	Bagder	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html
12:36:02	nevs	hey, is it worth getting the latest daily build?
12:36:35	Bagder	compared to which version?
12:36:52	nevs	the 27 of july version
12:37:19	Bagder	then I guess not
12:37:36	nevs	is there a game on the player?
12:37:45	Bagder	yes
12:37:48	Bagder	jackpot
12:37:57	nevs	how do u get it
12:38:16	Bagder	you need to browse the rocks dir and play the file there
12:38:44	nevs	there is no rock directory
12:39:02	Bagder	.rockbox/rocks
12:39:31	nevs	its not showing up on my player
12:39:42	Bagder	what?
12:40:03	nevs	theres no .rockbox that i can see on the player
12:40:16	Bagder	g
12:40:24	nevs	i scrolled up and down and there is no .rockbox, do u reckon its hidden
12:40:28	Bagder	of course not
12:40:50	Bagder	1. have you selected to see all files?
12:40:59	Bagder	2. have you ever created a .rockbox dir?
12:41:09	Bagder	3. have you downloaded/copied the plugins for the player?
12:41:13	nevs	now i have
12:41:19	nevs	after u told me
12:41:24	nevs	thx
12:42:31	nevs	its very clever
12:42:45	nevs	did u help design rockbox?
12:43:03	Bagder	I do
12:43:19	nevs	cool, well done man
12:43:47	nevs	i only want one thing for rockbox to design
12:43:57	Bagder	thanks, we've been lots of people doing various things
12:44:28	nevs	i want it so u can choose between archos fonts and sizes and rock box
12:44:51	nevs	i like the look of the archos firmware, u no, scrolling arcoss and the fonts are big
12:44:51	Bagder	so make a font that looks like the archos one
12:46:31	nevs	u can only get custom fonts for the recorder version
12:46:55	Bagder	uh
12:47:04	Bagder	so what you do mean with "archos fonts" ?
12:47:31	nevs	u know
12:47:37	nevs	when u use archos firmware
12:47:48	nevs	the font size is much bigger
12:47:56	Bagder	nope
12:48:06	Bagder	on the player the font can't be changed
12:48:31	nevs	but could u change it back to the defualt archos firmware?
12:48:56	Bagder	should we make the font switch to become a firmware?
12:49:42	nevs	?
12:49:53	Bagder	you say weird things
12:49:58	Bagder	I don't understand you
12:50:02	Bagder	the font on the player is FIXED
12:50:05	Bagder	it cannot be changed
12:50:14	Bagder	not by rockbox and not by archos
12:50:21	Bagder	only 4 or 8 letters of them
12:50:28	nevs	so,
12:50:52	nevs	ok
12:50:57	nevs	hang on
12:51:03	nevs	i know why
12:51:22	nevs	its because rock box scrolls vertically not horinzontally
12:57:29	Bagder	my rockbox scrolls horizontally
12:57:41	dwihno	My rockbox scrolls in every direction ;)
12:58:02	nevs	u using recorder
12:58:15	Bagder	I know the player one scrolls horizontally as well
12:58:41	nevs	not on rock box
12:58:56	Bagder	but I guess you're referring to browsing directories or something
12:59:07	nevs	on the archos firmware , u scroll horinzontally to view the folders, on rock box you scroll down
12:59:13	nevs	yeah
12:59:30	nevs	i want the rockbox to scroll horizontally
12:59:46	Bagder	make a patch
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13:00:36	nevs	also can u select deep discharge and trickle charge on the player
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13:00:45	Bagder	no
13:00:54	nevs	only recorder then yeah?
13:00:58	Bagder	yes
13:01:04	nevs	ok
13:02:00	nevs	hey how comes archos say they are looking at .wma support for the archos models, and u guys says its impossible
13:02:13	Bagder	they're a bunch of liars
13:02:29	nevs	lol
13:02:36	nevs	thats stupid
13:02:44	nevs	they lie like that
13:03:00	Bagder	it is
13:04:28	nevs	so do i go to feature request,?
13:04:39	dwihno	Bagder: so you think it's impossible that they actually have a MAS SDK?
13:05:07	Bagder	no I don't think that is impossible, but even if they do have that, I don't think it is possible
13:05:12	Bagder	due to the space limitations
13:05:36	Bagder	besides
13:06:03	Bagder	if they haven't made a firmware release in a year, does anyone believe they're working on any jokebox model software?
13:06:22	nevs	?
13:06:28	dwihno	hm
13:06:36	dwihno	That's quite a strong argument.
13:06:45	dwihno	The last firmware update was released more than a year ago.
13:07:01	dwihno	Which reminds me; I think I've been using rockbox for a year now.
13:07:07	Bagder	:-)
13:07:08	nevs	hey
13:07:11	dwihno	(ever since we got playback, hooray for Linus!)
13:07:20	nevs	how do i get patch to download?
13:07:31	Bagder	" June 19th. Working Archos Recorder mp3 playback was announced to the list."
13:07:52	Bagder	nevs: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html
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13:08:03	dwihno	There was some kind of issue that was preventing usage.
13:08:18	dwihno	Something with the file system driver which could make non-existing dirs pop up.
13:08:27	Bagder	right
13:08:30	Bagder	I remember that too
13:08:49	dwihno	DevCon! DevCon! ;D
13:10:28	dwihno	I think the news page should have a 'news'-entry for flashing.
13:10:37	dwihno	(Since it's, imho, a big leap in rockbox development)
13:10:42	Bagder	I agree
13:11:02	dwihno	with some great thank-you's to [idc]dragon
13:11:27	dwihno	the LCD brightness issue has been fixed too, right?
13:11:42	Guest	Hi there! I've just tried to flash my fm-recorder, but it says: incompatible version. My Hw info goes like this: Rom: 1.23 Mask:0x0504 USB: positive ATA: 0x200 PR: positive Flash: M=BF D=D6. Does this mean I can't start from flash?
13:12:08	dwihno	incompatible version of the plugin, perhaps
13:12:30	Bagder	I think its just a compatible plugin version
13:13:01	Guest	That it isn't compatible with the fm-rec maybe?
13:13:48	dwihno	Make sure you followed every step in the README correctly.
13:14:34	Bagder	try these steps: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-07/1407.shtml
13:14:49	Guest	I think I did, but I don't have time to try it again now. I have to run! thanks anyway.
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13:17:07	dwihno	I wonder what he did wrong.
13:17:13	dwihno	I was successfull on the first run ;
13:17:14	dwihno	;)
13:17:21	dwihno	How about you Bagder, have you flashed yet?
13:17:25	Bagder	nope
13:17:31	dwihno	how come?
13:17:31	Bagder	been busy with other stuff
13:17:57	dwihno	It only takes a few minutes :-)
13:18:06	dwihno	Come on. You KNOW you want to do it! :)
13:19:17	nevs	hey bagder
13:20:03	nevs	there are all ready to feature requests for the old archos browsing screen, so hopefully they will make a patch so u can change it
13:20:32	Bagder	people post feature requests when they can't do it themselves
13:20:36	Bagder	so don't hold your breath
13:20:46	Bagder	"358 feature requests" is no joke
13:21:33	nevs	some of the feature requests, are very hard
13:21:42	Bagder	indeed
13:22:16	nevs	but how hard is my request for the old browisng screen?
13:22:26	nevs	a few others want it aswell
13:22:41	Bagder	so make it happen
13:22:46	dwihno	Bagder: I wonder how they can come up with so many features... :-)
13:22:52	nevs	hmm
13:22:58	Bagder	dwihno: I think drugs may be involved ;-)
13:23:04	dwihno	Bagder: filter out tracks' requests and you'll have 3 left ;)
13:23:11	Bagder	:-]
13:23:23	dwihno	URL to the list?
13:23:42	Bagder	http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/ ?
13:23:49	Bagder	ah
13:23:52	Bagder	http://rockbox.haxx.se/requests.shtml
13:24:23	nevs	this is the feature- http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=658865
13:25:14	dwihno	ahahaha... j2me
13:25:28	nevs	?
13:25:55	dwihno	nevs: that might be a good ideas.
13:25:56	dwihno	-s
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13:26:46	nevs	yeah
13:26:53	nevs	good
13:27:18	nevs	do they put some of the feature requests that say fixed in the daily builds?
13:27:37	Bagder	everything made is always in the daily builds
13:28:25	nevs	yeah cuase i find it much harder to see with the rockbox browsing style rater than the archos style
13:29:00	Bagder	whiner
13:31:06	dwihno	The "top"-status bar should be configurable in WPS-style too
13:31:14	Bagder	yeps
13:31:48	dwihno	Not that I care THAT much
13:32:17	dwihno	WBS - While-Browsing-Screen
13:49:57	dwihno	Damn. That was many requests!
13:53:00	nevs	hey
13:53:17	nevs	will archos support usb 2.0 ever?
13:53:28	Bagder	rec20 does
13:53:33	Bagder	and the fms
13:53:45	nevs	what about player
13:53:46	Bagder	fast and neat
13:54:06	Bagder	the players are 1.1 and will never be anything else
13:54:17	Bagder	they don't change hardware specs for old units
13:54:24	nevs	is that 11mb per sec yeah
13:54:24	Bagder	they're onto new models instead
13:54:47	Bagder	isn't it 12?
13:54:54	dwihno	yeah, 12
13:55:02	nevs	whats usb 2
13:55:11	nevs	48?
13:55:18	Bagder	480
13:55:36	nevs	480 whoah
13:55:58	Bagder	but the disk/unit usually limits that
13:56:12	nevs	to about what?
13:56:40	Bagder	I don't know, I think I fill my 20GB in an hour or so
13:56:55	nevs	thats amazing
13:57:15	nevs	ive so far got 11gigs out of 20 filled up worth of mp3's
13:58:17	nevs	hey, if u put a .txt file on the archos will it read it?
13:59:11	nevs	bagder
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14:00:14	dwihno	Sure it will
14:00:20	dwihno	The text viewer plugin takes care of that
14:00:24	nevs	cool
14:00:35	nevs	on the player yeah
14:00:41	nevs	it will work
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14:56:25	dwihno	Bagder: You broke something on the news page...
14:56:41	Bagder	o
14:57:20	Bagder	actually, zagor did... but i'll fix
14:57:53	dwihno	:O
14:57:58	dwihno	What a bad boy!
14:58:24	Bagder	he modified the file without checking it in
14:58:37	Bagder	so now it failed to merge with my changes
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15:04:49	dwihno	evil
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16:54:29	scott666	anyone here?
16:55:32	Bagder	yeps
16:56:27	scott666	yay
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17:05:09	JorBond	how fast does usb 1.1 copy
17:05:20	Bagder	rather slow ;-)
17:05:58	JorBond	so about how long will 4 and half gigs take lol
17:06:10	scott666	its useable though, i copied like 18 gigs in a few hours
17:06:33	scott666	im not really sure how long it took though cause i fell asleep
17:08:22	JorBond	lol
17:22:47	JorBond	is it possible to have the player have some kind of animated bootup screen instead of just saying rockbox and have it play a small mp3
17:24:20	Bagder	sure it would
17:25:22	scott666	thatd probably make booting take longer though
17:25:22	JorBond	b/c it would be really cool it have it say welcome to rockbox and play "We're all going streaking" from old school
17:28:11	scott666	make a patch, i promise not to call you a dumb ass until you submit it
17:28:23	JorBond	lol
17:28:27	scott666	lol
17:28:53	JorBond	or have it go "Your My Boy Blue" that would make my day everytime i turned it on
17:29:15	scott666	sean connery saying 'youre the man now dog'
17:29:22	scott666	www.yourethemannowdog.com
17:34:23	JorBond	and i also noticed on the feature requests, #649533 is about playing mpeg audio out of a video file, how is that possible when an mpeg1(vcd) file has mp1 sound and a mpeg2(svcd) has mp2 sound
17:35:02	JorBond	so even if u did load the files, you still couldnt play them b/c the codecs wouldn't work
17:35:52	scott666	ans then it would eat batteries
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17:36:33	JorBond	yeah b/c the video is like 3/4 of the file
17:37:30	scott666	but it would still have to read that 700mb file
17:38:04	JorBond	and then there is the feature request for playing the mp3 track from a divx file and for those, the audo it 1/7th of the file, so if you did load it you could only hold about 5 sec of sound in the normal buffer at a time
17:38:18	JorBond	so you will kill read times and the bat even more
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17:45:09	JorBond	67.9mb file from a 700mb divx file
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18:05:39	Plugh	I should translate those silly CGA animations that someone put into Hairy Palm into plugins, or a boot load screen :)
18:05:57	Plugh	ArchosPorn
18:07:07	scott666	thatd be a GREAT demo
18:07:07	scott666	lol
18:07:41	scott666	i gotta make a pair of animated bouncing boobs
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18:47:22	Tarbash	anyone available?
18:48:54	hardeep	sure
18:49:52	Tarbash	k−− i unzipped rockbox directly into my archos studio 20, and when i turn it on, it says Rockbox, but the OS looks normal
18:50:16	hardeep	Tarbash: what do you mean by normal?
18:51:26	Tarbash	the letters are large, there is no "Games" option in the menu...
18:51:53	hardeep	Tarbash: the fonts/games are only available on the recorder models
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18:52:08	Tarbash	oo
18:52:19	Tarbash	what about the small letter size?
18:52:35	Tarbash	it's only holding 10 characters per line
18:52:37	hardeep	Tarbash: we cannot change the font on the player models
18:53:04	scott666	the player LCD is character cell based
18:54:03	Tarbash	so how does rockbox change the player models?
18:54:45	hardeep	Tarbash: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html
18:54:55	Tarbash	alright, thx
18:56:05	Tarbash	1 last question: it says in the manual i should rename archos.mod to something like old-archos.mod... where do i find this archos.mod?
18:56:53	hardeep	Tarbash: you can download a copy of the archos firmware from their site
18:57:13	Tarbash	alright, thx har, bye
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20:37:42	Plugh	morning
20:39:45	_aLF	hi
20:40:31	Plugh	it's been a long week
20:40:38	Plugh	and it's only Wednesday
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21:06:20	Guest57	hi all
21:06:36	Guest57	is there some news about the patch to increase the battery lifetime
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21:09:57	Plugh	woot! Found a USB 2 card lying around the office :)
21:10:28	scott666	lol
21:11:06	scott666	damn you and youre 480mbps
21:11:53	Plugh	there's no real forward progress on the battery patch. You might want to subscribe to the developer list, because that's where the updates are going, as well as the "beta test" coordination. If you want to help out, join the list and drop Tom a line
21:12:58	Plugh	but you might even not want to take advantage of the update, because it causes the screen to not update while it's playing
21:18:02	scott666	wouldnt you get the same effect by just staying on the menu screen instead of the WPS?
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21:21:27	hardeep	scott666: yeah, you would. Or by changing the wps to something that doesn't require updates (no progress bar, peakmeter, etc.)
21:21:58	scott666	and no tags that need to scroll
21:22:30	hardeep	yeah
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21:30:24	nevs	hey
21:30:56	nevs	on rock box, have they made the bass setting much more powerful?
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21:32:59	elinenbe	bwahahahhahahha!
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22:02:53	tracktheripper	hi
22:02:59	midknight2k3	hey
22:03:00	midknight2k3	you left
22:03:07	tracktheripper	lol
22:03:07	midknight2k3	is your recorder around?
22:03:46	tracktheripper	yea but it is asleep
22:03:58	midknight2k3	wake it up
22:04:09	tracktheripper	what do u want it fro?
22:04:10	tracktheripper	for?
22:04:58	midknight2k3	im sending you a new copy of rockbox to try if you like
22:05:51	tracktheripper	why what does it do?
22:06:09	midknight2k3	read the release notes
22:06:11	midknight2k3	in the zip
22:06:19	tracktheripper	i havent received anything
22:06:20	midknight2k3	aha
22:06:23	midknight2k3	you can't get it
22:06:29	midknight2k3	i will upload and give you a link
22:06:39	midknight2k3	since you use JIRC
22:06:41	midknight2k3	:D
22:07:05	tracktheripper	ok
22:09:59	elinenbe	hardeep: I like the progress
22:10:08	midknight2k3	what
22:10:10	midknight2k3	progress?
22:21:01	elinenbe	midknight2k3: progress on the current playlist viewer
22:21:15	midknight2k3	oh
22:21:20	midknight2k3	to see whats in the playlist?
22:21:56	tracktheripper	wherrees the link?
22:22:06	midknight2k3	ohhh
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23:29:05	MT	hmm
23:29:21	MT	rockbox.haxx.se isnt responding for me
23:29:24	MT	nor is sourceforge
23:35:36	Plugh	it's ok for me
23:41:25	MT	sf is still playing up for me

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