#rockbox 2003-08-12

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#rockbox log for 2003-08-12

00:00:09	tracktheripper	what does this file do?
00:00:42	Bagder	it tells earHurts what sites you've visited! ;-)
00:00:52	tracktheripper	WHAT!
00:00:58	earHurts	no, no, no
00:01:02	*	Bagder grins
00:01:10	tracktheripper	grrrrr bag
00:01:12	earHurts	it tells me what mp3s you have
00:01:25	tracktheripper	now u know why I manage feature requests ;-)
00:01:29	earHurts	I got laid off, and the riaa pays pretty well
00:01:38	Bagder	haha
00:01:38	earHurts	;)
00:01:50	earHurts	no, really, I did get laid off
00:02:02	earHurts	thank god
00:02:03	tracktheripper	well im Not gonna email u that file then
00:02:07	tracktheripper	im gonna remove it right now
00:02:14	earHurts	oh
00:02:21	earHurts	take a look at the file
00:02:30	earHurts	it's just a bunch of numbers
00:02:46	earHurts	it only shows bitrates, no file names
00:03:29	tracktheripper	grrrrrrrrrrrr
00:04:10	earHurts	it shows your units power consumption
00:04:22	earHurts	for the battery life extender patch
00:04:23	tracktheripper	well Bagder scared me senseless
00:04:27	tracktheripper	ive deleted it sorry
00:04:28	tracktheripper	:-(
00:04:34	*	Bagder looks innocent
00:04:46	Bagder	what me?
00:04:50	*	tracktheripper kicks Bagder's arse
00:04:51	earHurts	well, just rolo the test.ajz again
00:05:01	earHurts	and it'll write another
00:05:20	earHurts	and bagder will write an undelete utility in contrition
00:05:20	tracktheripper	ill do that later
00:05:29	tracktheripper	If only Bjorn and co learn how to smile
00:05:38	tracktheripper	Feature request "Make Bagder Smile"
00:05:40	earHurts	it's ok
00:05:40	tracktheripper	"Rejected"
00:05:53	tracktheripper	"This is not possible to implement, due to personality limitations"
00:05:54	tracktheripper	:D
00:05:55	earHurts	as long as a file was produced, it means we're ok
00:06:04	scott666	lol
00:06:27	tracktheripper	:D
00:06:28	scott666	bj�rn != badger
00:06:37	Zagor	tracktheripper: if i wrote smilies everytime you ask me, i'd be doing nothing else
00:06:47	tracktheripper	:-\
00:07:02	Bagder	tracktheripper: if you were funny, I'd smile more often
00:07:05	Bagder	hehe
00:07:10	tracktheripper	:D
00:07:23	tracktheripper	well i havent sent any more requests :D
00:07:38	Bagder	good boy
00:07:57	tracktheripper	:D
00:08:00	tracktheripper	im always good
00:08:05	tracktheripper	I never send funny requests
00:08:14	Bagder	true
00:08:19	Bagder	they're quite boring
00:08:26	Bagder	:-)
00:08:30	scott666	do you send stupid requests though?
00:08:41	tracktheripper	I never send any funny or boring or stupid requests?
00:08:46	tracktheripper	if I do, prove it :-)
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00:08:56	Bagder	you certainly have done so
00:09:00	Bagder	I bet we have 40 of them
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00:09:17	tracktheripper	erm like what?
00:09:30	tracktheripper	"make the LCD on the Recorder a touch-screen?"
00:09:39	Bagder	to name one, yes
00:10:00	tracktheripper	:-/
00:10:06	scott666	well if you replcaced the LCD and the controller and wrote a new driver...
00:10:36	tracktheripper	well at least I never sent "Make the Recorder pick up FM like the FM recorder" :-D
00:10:40	Bagder	seen this?
00:10:42	Bagder	http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/_templates/item_main_Rio.asp?model=220&cat=53
00:11:27	tracktheripper	yes
00:12:09	Zagor	Bagder: yeah, we were talking a bit about it just before you came in.
00:12:10	adi\|home	i was reading that this morning..
00:12:14	adi\|home	but its also 400$
00:12:17	Bagder	ok
00:12:27	tracktheripper	cross fader
00:12:29	Zagor	i wonder what kind of disk they are using. the case has no room even for a 1.8" disk!
00:12:37	Bagder	oh
00:12:44	Bagder	I don't get those US measurements
00:13:01	#>>	"convert 5.5 oz" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
00:13:05	Bagder	ah
00:13:16	tracktheripper	badger
00:13:25	scott666	damn thats small!!
00:13:33	scott666	3"x3"x1"
00:13:54	Bagder	and a greyscale lcd
00:13:55	tracktheripper	it prob uses flash memory!!!
00:14:05	Bagder	no it says "drive"
00:14:05	Zagor	tracktheripper: uh, no
00:14:53	scott666	i heard about a 4gb CF card, but still
00:15:09	scott666	youd need 5 of them
00:15:20	scott666	and they were like $1500 each
00:15:31	Bagder	heh
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00:16:13	scott666	it supports mp3, wma, flac, and ogg!
00:16:24	Jt1	hey
00:16:33	Jt1	everyone
00:17:23	scott666	too bad youll never be able to upgrade the HD
00:17:55	earHurts	does C have pointers to members?
00:18:57	Bagder	to members?
00:19:46	scott666	does C have members?
00:19:58	earHurts	yeah, struct foo { int a; }
00:20:15	Bagder	sure you can point to a single struct member
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00:20:38	earHurts	yeah, but not unless I know which foo
00:20:45	earHurts	unless I use offsetof
00:20:53	Bagder	right
00:21:06	earHurts	ah, it can be done in C++
00:21:22	Bagder	at a price
00:21:32	scott666	anynone know how much an fmr weighs off-hand?
00:21:41	earHurts	yes, it's moee complicated that a normal pointer
00:21:52	earHurts	and usually larger too
00:22:01	Bagder	scott666: I only recall that it is 60 grams lighter than the regular recorder
00:22:08	earHurts	check the archos site scott
00:22:38	scott666	yeah i just wanted to see if i didnt have to
00:22:47	Bagder	.62 lb.
00:22:57	#>>	"convert .62 lb" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
00:25:19	scott666	so that rio is half the size and half the weight, with more features
00:25:39	Bagder	and more expensive
00:25:40	earHurts	yeah
00:25:41	scott666	well, more playback features
00:25:49	scott666	no recording
00:26:23	earHurts	but I've got 60GB on my fm, for the cost of 30GB (interpolated) of Karma
00:28:51	scott666	yeah... i need to upgrade my HD
00:29:26	scott666	did you unsolder or bend?
00:29:36	earHurts	why can't I define const ints in terns of other const ints?
00:29:41	earHurts	I bent
00:29:49	earHurts	solder if you can
00:29:56	scott666	yeah
00:30:21	scott666	how much work is there after the unsoldering?
00:30:43	scott666	cause i opened mine up but didnt have a soldering iron with me, so i couldnt do much
00:30:47	earHurts	since I bent, I dunno
00:31:00	scott666	is it just taking it out and putting in the new one/
00:31:11	earHurts	and resoldering, yeah
00:31:28	scott666	and putting the plasticy dealy on the new HD
00:31:33	earHurts	yeah
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00:33:04	scott666	ok
00:33:23	scott666	the tricky part is going to be getting the new HD
00:34:30	*	scott666 doesnt have money
00:36:52	scott666	any of you guys seen this? www.xgamestation.com
00:37:54	earHurts	what is it?
00:40:02	scott666	its a game console thats completely open
00:40:15	earHurts	oh, right, on slashdot
00:40:31	scott666	yeah
00:40:38	scott666	it looks interesting
00:40:44	earHurts	I guess
00:40:44	scott666	and its only $100
00:40:52	earHurts	any games for it?
00:41:03	scott666	not yet
00:41:10	scott666	hasnt been released yet
00:41:24	scott666	and i dont think the company is making any games
00:41:51	scott666	they just give you all the documentation you need to make your own, and a website to share them on
00:42:18	earHurts	why not just use a pc?
00:42:19	Bagder	I doubt it'll become any major hit
00:42:27	scott666	yeah, i do too
00:42:39	scott666	still sounds like it could be fun though
00:44:17	Zagor	so many toys, so little time...
00:44:20	Plugh	benefit of a closed source game is that you can have a team of 30 developers writing it and testing it, and have a cohesive storyline. When you open the source on a game, you end up with something that isn't fun for one player or is just too simplistic to provide more than a brief amount of entertainment value
00:44:35	earHurts	zagor, got a minute?
00:44:41	Zagor	sure
00:45:13	scott666	tetris is simple enough to make by yourself, but provides hours of entertainment
00:45:29	earHurts	for the last several weeks my disk has been NOISY. it CLINKS down, apparently when it stops
00:45:41	scott666	ive heard that
00:45:42	Plugh	are you going to buy a $200 gaming system to play tetris?
00:45:55	earHurts	I got it specifically because it's supposed to be quiet
00:45:56	Zagor	earHurts: hitachi?
00:46:11	earHurts	fujitsu quiet 60GB
00:46:23	earHurts	and it was quiet at first
00:46:42	scott666	i still want to investigate that HD FW update thing
00:46:47	earHurts	but for the last, 4-5 weeks, CLICKCLUNK
00:47:21	Plugh	I think we're gonna need some assistance from Hitachi on that
00:47:33	Zagor	earHurts: sounds bad. i'd try getting through to someone at fujitsu if possible.
00:47:36	earHurts	it's loud enough to hear over the music, with headphones on.
00:48:00	earHurts	it couldn't be something changed in the rockbox code?
00:48:34	Plugh	earHurts: why not check out the code as of like, a month ago and build it
00:48:50	earHurts	good point
00:48:54	Zagor	earHurts: i doubt it. we haven't changed the disk code in a long time
00:49:08	Plugh	could also be power management code
00:49:15	earHurts	but my other thought is, the quiet is supposed to be software selectable
00:49:22	Zagor	power management doesn't affect the disk
00:49:23	earHurts	did we somehow turn it off?
00:49:35	Zagor	no, but we don't turn it on either
00:49:41	Zagor	it's left on default values
00:50:05	earHurts	hmm
00:50:08	earHurts	thanks
00:50:13	scott666	is it possible to change through rockbox?
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00:50:31	Zagor	scott666: it's not implemented. it could be.
00:50:56	Plugh	well, I have this Audible.com subscription, and it won't be supported for playback on the Archos :/
00:51:06	scott666	would the code need to be different for every different drive?
00:51:23	Zagor	scott666: no, the acoustic management is part of the ata spec
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00:51:51	Bagder	linus the man
00:51:55	Plugh	so I guess I'm going to need to get their player and use the recording function of my FMR
00:52:12	LinusN	the myth, the legend
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00:52:16	Bagder	:-)
00:52:31	Plugh	I was beginning to wonder if you were just a myth
00:52:39	scott666	me too
00:52:40	scott666	heh
00:52:41	Zagor	LinusN: i fixed the keyboard, btw. i bought a silver solution pen and drew a new trace.
00:52:42	LinusN	hehe
00:52:48	LinusN	nice
00:52:58	Plugh	I've been hanging out in this channel 24x7 for about 2 or 3 weeks and haven't seen you log in till just now
00:53:08	LinusN	don't make such strong coffee in the future
00:53:21	LinusN	Plugh: it's called "vacation"
00:53:25	Plugh	ahh
00:53:32	Plugh	welcome home, in that case
00:53:36	LinusN	thx
00:53:50	LinusN	still, i have very little time for hacking nowadays
00:54:06	Plugh	great thing about open source
00:54:08	LinusN	my family takes a lot of time
00:54:16	Plugh	it seems to evolve in the absence of its creator
00:54:22	LinusN	yeah
00:54:34	Plugh	you been keeping an eye on the checkins?
00:54:55	LinusN	yeah
00:54:57	Zagor	Plugh: hint: linusn isn't the creator :)
00:55:20	Plugh	ah. sorry. Misread the history of the dev process
00:55:24	earHurts	heretic!
00:55:27	Bagder	but he's... LinusN the myth!
00:55:31	Bagder	:-P
00:55:32	LinusN	no, i only wrote most of the drivers... :-)
00:55:32	earHurts	burn himA
00:55:36	Zagor	hehe
00:55:47	Plugh	I've been burned for heresy before
00:56:03	Plugh	I'm quite used to it now
00:56:15	Topic	"The existance of Rockbox is one of those urban legends" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
00:56:22	earHurts	not with a rich hickory smoke
00:56:50	Plugh	yeah. It's usually just with saltpeter and brimstone
00:57:01	klaxon	i heard about rockbox on snopes.com
00:57:23	scott666	i heard about it on /.
00:57:31	Plugh	I heard about it from a co-worker who heard a rumor that there was a firmware replacement for the archos
00:57:33	Bagder	I heard voices in my head
00:57:37	Plugh	then I googled it
00:58:52	LinusN	and i just teamed up with zagor and started writing the damn thing
00:58:52	klaxon	tempted to buy an archos, amazon is selling 10bg studio for 150 - 50 rebate
00:58:56	Bagder	I take it you find it pretty fast? ;-)
00:58:57	earHurts	on snopes?
00:59:02	Bagder	found even
00:59:05	earHurts	it's an urban legend??
00:59:27	scott666	duh!
00:59:55	klaxon	but one thing - does it use chicago font? cuz that's what i like about ipod.
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01:00:11	earHurts	atadore is close enough
01:00:12	Bagder	klaxon: get the recorder model and use whatever font you want
01:00:13	scott666	chicago12
01:00:22	Bagder	design your own
01:00:32	earHurts	ms comic!
01:00:57	scott666	id like that
01:01:02	LinusN	http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts/chicago12.fnt
01:01:08	klaxon	actually i was floored when i saw chicago on the ipod. apple is weak.
01:01:29	klaxon	linusn: i was joking, but hah! now that is funny.
01:02:15	Plugh	there's lots of fonts
01:02:20	earHurts	what's port 1464 used for?
01:02:20	Plugh	take your pick
01:02:20	scott666	yeah
01:02:55	Plugh	earHurts: haxxors running open ircd's off your box ;)
01:03:05	earHurts	yum
01:04:19	earHurts	ahhhnold for guhnvahna
01:04:48	klaxon	is $100 a good price for the 10gb studio? or what's a good price for the recorder?
01:05:50	scott666	someone has the 15gb rec on sale for $160
01:06:25	klaxon	scott: someone, who? cause that's $60 well spent imo
01:06:36	scott666	dunno
01:06:38	Zagor	bed time
01:06:39	scott666	it was on the list
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01:06:49	klaxon	thx i'll look
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01:10:30	hardeep	klaxon: it was at Fry's electronics which is a US retail store
01:11:04	klaxon	fry's is in my area. about how long ago? (i'm searching mail archives now)
01:11:13	scott666	that sounds right
01:11:15	hardeep	klaxon: messages were posted this weekend
01:12:14	klaxon	ah: <machtenx> it's only 160 bucks at fries
01:12:21	klaxon	i'll check it out THX
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01:12:59	Plugh	Fry's is all over my area. Kinda like an infestation
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01:13:21	scott666	never heard of em
01:13:36	hardeep	heh, Fry's is great
01:13:51	klaxon	the b&m of outpost.com. don't go there, you go away poor.
01:13:54	Plugh	it's in San Jose, CA area, Southern Cali, Las Vegas, and Texas
01:14:04	earHurts	compusa for the west coast, but with more of a surplus shop feel?
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01:14:18	Plugh	more of a grocery store feel
01:14:19	Plugh	:)
01:14:27	Plugh	and we have CompUSA too
01:14:33	scott666	we have best buy
01:14:42	scott666	so fo we
01:14:46	scott666	*do
01:14:47	earHurts	best buy suxors
01:14:57	Plugh	yeah, we got best buy out here
01:15:09	earHurts	they don't even provide bags big enough for what they sell
01:15:10	Plugh	I bought an air conditioner from there once
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01:16:46	Bagder	night
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01:24:04	klaxon	hey i called frys, they said they have the ONDIO for $150
01:24:11	klaxon	that's not a jukebox
01:25:05	scott666	i think thats the fklash player
01:25:15	klaxon	yeah its 128mb
01:25:47	klaxon	so is that the one on sale at frys? i can't find anything in the mail archive (i'm not subbd)
01:26:39	klaxon	duh i found it Subject: JBR 15 for $160 at Fry's
01:28:24	klaxon	cool i'm excited. this rockbox project looks great folks. i'm gettin me a jbr 15!
01:28:57	scott666	make sure its usb 2
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01:30:16	klaxon	scott: how so? you mean usb 1.1 (j/k)
01:33:36	hardeep	all the new jbr 15's are usb2 and that's what Fry's was carrying
01:34:15	*	Plugh anxiously awaits his lighted USB A to mini B cable
01:34:22	klaxon	anything like a s/n or something to identify the newer ones? well, i can always return it.
01:34:39	Plugh	heh. Fry's returns are always a pain
01:34:40	hardeep	klaxon: there's a big sticker that says USB 2.0 on the front of the box
01:34:54	klaxon	hardeep: well okay then.
01:35:56	klaxon	thanks a buch folks you all roxorz
01:37:48	*	klaxon dreams: ipaq 802.11 linux + rockbox - pirate radio.
01:39:03	Plugh	we all roxbox
01:39:52	Plugh	just use rockbox + fm-10 setup
01:40:37	Plugh	you can fit hundreds of hours of programming into a toolbox
01:40:53	scott666	fm-10??
01:41:31	Plugh	it's an FM modulator chip
01:41:42	Plugh	audio in, FM modulated signal out
01:42:07	Plugh	run it through a little solid state linear amp, output to a tuned antenna, and you're broadcasting
01:42:51	klaxon	i was thinking mp3 streaming.
01:42:57	Plugh	ah
01:43:17	*	Plugh 's imagination runs away with him at times
01:43:43	klaxon	plugh: build one backed up to a mic many years ago in electronics class. instant karaoke.
01:43:58	Plugh	Mr. Microphone! :)
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02:17:30	earHurts	ahhhnold for guhvahnah
02:18:46	Plugh	why the hell not?
02:18:57	Plugh	I mean, we elected Ronald Reagan
02:19:31	Plugh	his biggest claim to fame before Cali gov. was playing second fiddle to a monkey in some movies
02:20:46	Plugh	oh yeah. Bonzo
02:21:00	Plugh	anyhow, gotta start packing up to go home
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10:03:27	adi\|home	anyone around?
10:03:33	Bagder	yup
10:07:33	adi\|home	wanted to know if im alone in this problme..
10:07:41	adi\|home	basically.. if i have my archos mounted..
10:07:47	adi\|home	and the unit dies.. batteries etc...
10:08:39	adi\|home	it locks my machine...
10:08:54	adi\|home	not sure if i missed a setting on the kernel or something...
10:09:06	adi\|home	i mean.. is usb times out.. it shouldn't just lock my box should it?
10:09:11	Bagder	actually, I've not had my archos died like that while mounted
10:09:18	Schnueff	i had it once
10:09:24	Schnueff	it made USB unusable
10:09:27	Schnueff	had to reboot
10:09:52	adi\|home	hmm.. seems.. my battery gets low.. and even if its plugged in it dies on occasion
10:10:06	adi\|home	it wasn't usb being unusable.. it just locked
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10:12:21	Schnueff	after that experience, i don't let it die anymore while mounted
10:12:27	Schnueff	at least i try to :)
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16:01:30	Nomad__	anyone know the size of the drive in a Jukebox 10?
16:01:36	Nomad__	physical depth, etc?
16:02:58	Nomad__	I have an 18Gig I'd like to put in my JB10 but want to make sure it'll fit, remember see'ing a size somewhere on the site but can't find it now
16:18:51	PsycoXul	9.5mm
16:23:03	Nomad__	ok, this claims to be 9.5, good deal
16:23:12	Nomad__	guess I have a project when I get home tonight
16:23:45	Nomad__	hopefully this'll behave better to vibration and shock than the one that comes stock
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16:25:59	Nomad__	wish there was an easy way to upgrade the memory on a JB10 though
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16:56:06	diddystar5	hey
16:56:13	nevs	about irc
16:56:19	nevs	whats the address to connect to
16:56:41	nevs	becusae everytimr i have to go to the website and click on the link so it connects my IRC
16:57:18	diddystar5	dunno ;)
16:57:34	nevs	go to options
16:57:44	nevs	how do u connect to this server?
16:58:26	diddystar5	you tell your irc client to connect to "irc.freenode.net"
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17:06:53	nevs	hhey
17:07:36	hardeep	i
17:07:40	hardeep	er hi
17:09:40	nevs	when u connect to rockbox, is there a way so it doesnt go to the channel list, but so it goes direct to the rockbox channe;
17:10:17	hardeep	nevs: i'm sure you can configure your irc client to do that
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17:11:25	MalphAWs	nevs ??? what is ur irc client ?
17:11:54	nevs	Mirc
17:12:00	MalphAWs	go in otpions
17:12:11	MalphAWs	connect
17:12:12	nevs	yeah
17:12:13	MalphAWs	perform
17:12:29	MalphAWs	network select add
17:12:34	MalphAWs	and freenode
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17:13:10	nevs	ok
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17:13:30	MalphAWs	then select freenode in the combo box
17:13:45	MalphAWs	and add in the text box : "/j #rockbox"
17:13:50	MalphAWs	without quotes
17:13:55	MalphAWs	and that's done :)
17:14:19	MalphAWs	as soon as u connect mIRC at freenode, it'll join #rockbox :)
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17:14:49	MalphAWs	s/at/to/
17:15:21	MalphAWs	is it working ?
17:15:32	nevs	hang on
17:15:37	nevs	whats that command again
17:15:49	nevs	the j #rockbox
17:16:04	MalphAWs	/j #rockbox
17:16:08	nevs	ok
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17:16:12	MalphAWs	do not forget the / :)
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17:17:23	MalphAWs	did u check the box : Enable perform on connect
17:17:28	nevs	yes
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17:18:09	MalphAWs	nevs is it working ?
17:18:28	nevs	yep
17:19:03	MalphAWs	now : AW :)
17:19:14	nevs	thx
17:19:21	MalphAWs	np :)
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17:54:14	diddystar5	hardeep: in settings.c, backlight.h is included 2 times
17:54:39	hardeep	diddystar5: we want to make sure it really gets included
17:55:18	diddystar5	but 2 times? ;)
17:55:31	hardeep	better safe then sorry! =)
17:56:48	diddystar5	i'm going through all the files and cleaning out all of the // comments
17:57:07	diddystar5	so far i have cleaned uisimulator gdb and tools
17:57:32	hardeep	diddystar5: heh, you must be bored. :)
17:58:00	diddystar5	since i can't program very well at all it's what i can do
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18:07:39	diddystar5	i thought sf said they were going to have cvs fixed in a week 2 months ago
18:18:29	*	diddystar5 is hammering the hell outof sf
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19:39:48	hardeep	heya Zagor
19:40:16	Zagor	hi
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19:50:05	>>>	"seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented]
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22:10:32	Guest57	hi all
22:11:41	Guest57	I just get a 80GB hitachi HD, but I could not format it entirely using XP, I now that Partition magic could do it :((( but I do not have it , so is there a solution to do it under windoze , and having the disk accessed through usb interface ? thanks
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22:12:12	Nomad__	blech
22:12:45	Guest57	Nomad: what is it ?
22:13:00	Nomad__	just tried to put a new drive in my JB10
22:13:09	Nomad__	the docs list the drive at 9.5mm
22:13:19	Nomad__	need to find a tape measure because it defiitely didn't fit
22:16:25	Nomad__	Yup, 12mm
22:16:47	Nomad__	bah, was looking forward to upgrading to 20Gigs and a better drive
22:19:30	Guest57	haz someone some news about the bttery lifetime patch
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22:20:16	Zagor	Guest57: try Ranish Partition Manager. It's a free util.
22:20:26	Zagor	Guest57: http://www.ranish.com/part/
22:20:54	Zagor	i don't know if it works through usb though
22:21:31	Zagor	Nomad__: did you buy the new drive?
22:21:47	Nomad__	no, came out of an old, dead laptop
22:21:50	Zagor	ok
22:22:15	Nomad__	still sucks though
22:22:25	Zagor	yeah, too bad
22:23:19	Nomad__	probalby none of the archos box can use it either I take it
22:23:59	Guest57	opk Zagor
22:24:53	Zagor	Nomad__: no, they all require 9.5mm
22:25:21	Nomad__	blech ok, thanks
22:25:31	Nomad__	it's working much better on the motorcycle though
22:25:54	Nomad__	still hangs up when I hit 78MPH but has a much better chance of recovering and continuing when I slow down and hit traffic
22:26:13	Zagor	which model disk are you using?
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22:26:36	#>>	"convert 78 miles" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
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22:27:23	BoD[]	hello !
22:27:26	Zagor	hi
22:27:49	BoD[]	what's up !
22:28:15	Zagor	not much. busy with non-rockbox stuff...
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22:31:27	BoD[]	like what ? some other project of yours ?
22:32:49	Zagor	yes. i run an apartment swapping website
22:34:25	BoD[]	apartment swapping? :) what is that
22:35:44	Zagor	when you want a new place to live, you can find people to swap with on the site
22:36:32	BoD[]	like .. you want someone's apartment and he has to want yours ?
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22:38:25	Zagor	yes
22:38:41	BoD[]	strange :)
22:40:12	Plugh	hah
22:40:34	Plugh	just scrolled back and saw Nomad talking about his bike
22:41:02	Plugh	I've known him for about 10 years. Didn't figure I'd see him on this channel on this net though
22:42:37	BoD[]	:))
22:42:44	BoD[]	it's a small worlds
22:42:45	BoD[]	d
22:42:58	Plugh	yep
22:43:13	Plugh	I hung out with him and his wife in Vegas a couple years ago
22:43:18	Zagor	Plugh: about your virtual memory request: what would you use it for?
22:43:43	Plugh	Zagor: writing apps that can make use of/search large data sets
22:43:59	Plugh	I had in mind an app that'd hold my phone list
22:44:04	Plugh	exported from Outlook
22:44:10	Plugh	I have over 600 records
22:44:24	Zagor	remember that we don't have an mmu, so all virtual memory handling would have to be application-aware. i don't see much gain then.
22:44:47	Zagor	600 records don't fit in 1.5 MB??
22:45:34	Plugh	let's find out
22:46:06	Zagor	that's 2.5kb per entry...
22:46:13	Plugh	exporting csv
22:47:26	Plugh	604 records right now
22:47:54	Plugh	does an app have access to the full 1.5mb?
22:48:03	Plugh	241k
22:48:40	Plugh	which I could probably reduce with judicious selection of columns
22:48:44	Zagor	Plugh: yes they do, or will at least. i just haven't added it to the api yet.
22:49:47	BoD[]	to what format do you export them?
22:49:55	Plugh	.csv
22:50:00	BoD[]	ok
22:50:14	Plugh	nice and portable
22:50:15	Plugh	;)
22:50:51	Plugh	I'm trying to eliminate the need for my PalmOS cellphone, so I can get a smaller one
22:51:02	Plugh	especially since I'm always carrying my archos
22:51:24	BoD[]	hmm
22:51:31	Plugh	the calendar app was a great start
22:51:54	BoD[]	but i'm sure the "keyboard" of the archos is not perfect for this kind of apps :)
22:52:11	Plugh	neither is graffiti, afaic
22:52:33	BoD[]	:) maybe
22:53:07	BoD[]	i hope some day we'll have smal devices that can do all that stuff
22:53:21	BoD[]	multimedia/pda/phone all in one
22:53:29	BoD[]	small, light, cheap
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22:53:38	BoD[]	good design ;)
22:53:59	Plugh	I just want a device that ties into my optic and aural nerve bundles
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22:54:15	Plugh	I don't ask for much...
22:54:23	Zagor	Plugh: i can do that. does it have to work? ;)
22:54:28	BoD[]	h�h� :) maybe not tomorow
22:54:42	Plugh	Zagor: at least a little
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22:54:57	Plugh	ice pick wasn't what I had in mind
22:55:59	BoD[]	:)
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23:09:41	BoD[]	what is "talkbox" ?
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23:13:26	tracktheripper	Does anyone think theres a difference between a WAV and an MP3 recorded directly on the Archos via digital on highest quality?
23:15:01	BoD[]	there's a difference between an mp3 and a wav
23:15:14	Zagor	yes, the mp3 will sound worse since you're encoding it a second time
23:19:23	tracktheripper	well to me a WAV and a MP3 done on the Archos sound very similar
23:19:29	tracktheripper	couldnt spot difference
23:20:00	Zagor	then be happy and don't worry about it
23:20:15	tracktheripper	:D
23:20:18	tracktheripper	:D :D :D
23:21:38	Plugh	HAPPIER!
23:21:42	Plugh	be HAPPIER!
23:22:11	BoD[]	<3
23:23:58	BoD[]	(it's a heart)
23:24:03	Plugh	I know
23:27:43	BoD[]	(it's the most ridiculous "smiley" I know)
23:28:31	tracktheripper	I like to have a Playlist Editor like the Archos firmware and on the fly ID3 tag editing
23:29:09	Plugh	voting?
23:29:10	Plugh	:)
23:29:29	Plugh	realtime track rating
23:31:10	BoD[]	btw .. what is the "talkbox" ?
23:31:57	Plugh	I was trying to figure that out
23:32:07	Zagor	it's a patch that plays a dirname.mp3 for each dir you enter. good for blind users.
23:32:12	Plugh	I think I'm gonna install Zagor's 180 degree patch though
23:32:21	Zagor	that was hardeep
23:32:26	Plugh	oh?
23:32:35	Plugh	okay
23:32:39	Plugh	well, whoever
23:32:44	Zagor	:)
23:32:49	Plugh	it's a useful patch
23:33:00	Plugh	that stupid case makes it necessary
23:33:31	BoD[]	ok thanks :)
23:33:37	BoD[]	and what is 180 degree ?
23:33:56	Plugh	flips the display and buttons
23:34:07	BoD[]	!!:)
23:34:14	BoD[]	what's the use ?
23:34:52	Plugh	puts the headphone jack at the top of the unit
23:34:57	tracktheripper	What the hell is a "Software Charger"!!!!
23:35:03	tracktheripper	I though a charger is hardware!
23:36:09	Plugh	woot! Work is providing beer&pizza tonight
23:36:18	Plugh	and I don't have to drive home ;)
23:36:28	BoD[]	you're at work ?
23:36:44	tracktheripper	Zagor why does the Recorder have a "Software Tuner?"
23:36:53	tracktheripper	sorry "Software Charger?"
23:37:04	Zagor	it doesn't
23:37:19	tracktheripper	you say the charging is done by software and not hardware
23:37:33	Zagor	it's controlled by software
23:38:03	tracktheripper	oh
23:38:15	tracktheripper	and is "software" better for battery management and codition?
23:39:05	Zagor	since there is no hardware to handle it otherwise, we need software. someone has to turn off the charger when the batteries are fully charged.
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23:40:31	tracktheripper	YAY!!!
23:40:40	*	tracktheripper gets the red carpet for Bagder
23:44:40	BoD[]	:)
23:45:07	*	Bagder dances on the carpet
23:46:24	Zagor	i love bostream's new "vdsl installation status page".
23:46:28	BoD[]	:_)
23:46:50	Zagor	you type in your number and it gives you your install status. my status page is: <html><body></body></html>
23:47:02	BoD[]	:)))
23:48:03	Bagder	one good thing about me moving already in august
23:48:11	Bagder	I can go for the scream offer
23:48:16	Bagder	me want 26mbit
23:48:39	tracktheripper	i want a 256mb leased line
23:48:45	Zagor	my preliminary report says i have 1450m to the station == 8/1 speed :(
23:49:01	Bagder	tracktheripper: but I can actually get 26mbit for 40 US$ a month
23:49:15	Bagder	Zagor: oh, you got a distance?
23:49:35	Zagor	yeah, i got a mail. although they say it's only preliminary, whatever that means
23:49:53	tracktheripper	do an inverted video line for the Player
23:58:51	tracktheripper	What actually "digitises" the analog signals from the Line In on the Recorder?

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