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#rockbox log for 2003-08-18

00:00:18midknight2k3like on a classical song more loudness
00:00:20T-rackI mean the loudness is "dynamic" rather like Auto Volume
00:00:25Zagorauto detection of musical genre?
00:00:33midknight2k3like auto volume
00:00:36Zagorthat's the same thing
00:00:41midknight2k3not really
00:00:47Zagorno, that's not possible.
00:01:03T-rackmidknight shut up
00:01:04Zagordon't you guys have any sort of clues as to what is possible or not?
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00:01:39T-rackok Zagor could the loudness auto adjust to different genres liek rock, classical etc?
00:02:01ZagorT-rack: we could use different sound settings for different id3 genres, yes
00:02:16T-rackI was worried about my request being rejected
00:02:20Zagoris that what your request is about?
00:02:34T-rackyea something like that,
00:02:43Bagderin the current form, it will be rejected
00:02:48Zagori'll rename it then
00:02:56T-rackok Zagor
00:03:09T-rackcan u see the request?
00:03:17Bagderwe get mail on each submit
00:03:29T-rackok badger
00:03:33Bagderwe see your every move ;-)
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00:03:44T-rackim me revamped Bagder
00:03:48T-rackno more funny requesdts
00:04:08Topic"Anonymous Rockbox Junkies" by Bagder (
00:04:46 Join midknight2k3 [0] (
00:04:53T-rackcheers Zaggor
00:04:57T-rackjsut got the email
00:05:00midknight2k3what happend?
00:05:09midknight2k3my computer died
00:05:51ZagorT-rack: i'm glad to hear you've changed your ways
00:05:52T-rackyea What do u think of the redzone
00:06:00T-rackthank you
00:06:00midknight2k3You could hear the fans grow whisper silent, and you could hear the hard drives gnash their heads
00:06:10midknight2k3changed ways?
00:06:13T-rackIt would break my heart to file a funny request under this name
00:06:32midknight2k3it would break zagors heart
00:06:42Zagorit would break your neck
00:06:58T-rackZagor that "Osscilliscope" demo would look great if it was scrolling sideways in the WPS rather like Soundforge :-)
00:07:15ZagorT-rack: that's a limitation of the hardware. the display can only scroll vertically.
00:07:27T-rackthats odd
00:07:31midknight2k3but it scrolls up and down
00:07:35midknight2k3and side to side
00:07:51Zagormidknight2k3: yes, but that is done by redrawing the graphics each time
00:07:53midknight2k3the text goes side to side and the oscilloscope goes up and down
00:07:58T-rackZagor as u know I can't code in what other ways could I help?
00:08:06midknight2k3oh oh
00:08:08Zagorthe oscilloscope uses a hardware scroll to move the entire screen. that's how it can be so fast.
00:08:12midknight2k3track is ready to get into rockbox deepr
00:08:52midknight2k3you can make lang files
00:08:58midknight2k3if there are some that havent been made yet
00:09:24midknight2k3how about more default wps's?
00:09:36midknight2k3like 7 to choose from as many dont make their own
00:09:40T-rackI like to share my WPS as its fairly idiot proof
00:09:51Zagorsend in your suggestions
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00:10:12midknight2k3I will miss the old tracktheripper
00:10:20T-rackyea Zagor Im very pleased with my WPS, it gives all the basics at a glance
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00:10:42T-rackit shows MP3 Bitrate, MP3 Size and MP3 Time plus ID3 Album, Artist and Song
00:10:55T-rackwhich I feel is what most users will want
00:11:09T-rackplus the peak meter
00:11:19midknight2k3mine shows filename, current/remaining and total time, battery time and percent and progress bar+peak meter
00:11:29midknight2k3which i feel others will like as well
00:11:37midknight2k3mainly because some dont use id3 tags
00:11:40T-rackI feel no need for a progress bar
00:11:45T-rackjust my personal preference
00:12:10midknight2k3zagor: how about a smoother progress bar?
00:12:26T-rackI want to file "Re-arrange enteries in playlist" but I feel its already been done
00:12:28T-rackor already filed
00:12:35Zagormidknight2k3: smoother? how?
00:12:44midknight2k3like if you play a 5 second mp3 it goes beginning, middle, end
00:12:55midknight2k3can you tell it to update more often or something?
00:13:01midknight2k3so it will go smooth, not jumpy
00:13:20midknight2k3or how about a progress bar that fills up as it goes
00:13:22midknight2k3so many ideas
00:13:25Zagorrockbox isn't optimised for 5-second mp3s
00:13:40midknight2k3i guess i better get back to that ipod then
00:14:03Zagoris this where I should beg and cry for you to stay with us?
00:14:19T-rackdon't worry Zagor I dont behave like that anymore
00:14:24Galikipod has smooth scroll on 5-second mp3s??
00:14:34*Galik rushes out to buy 1
00:14:34midknight2k3yes t-rack
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00:14:42ZagorGalik: haha
00:14:43midknight2k3i dont like this revamped guy anymore
00:14:52midknight2k3yes it does galik
00:15:16T-rackbut you have to consider the latency it takes for the LCD pixels to refresh
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00:15:33midknight2k3i miss tracktheripper
00:15:50midknight2k3yesssss.... the latency.... that really matters....
00:16:09T-rackespecially since the LCD is not a TFT its a 1 bit STN screen
00:16:20midknight2k3you haven't bugged me this much since you came in as empeethree
00:16:23T-rackSTNs never refresh as fast as TFTs
00:16:27midknight2k3i got an idea
00:16:33midknight2k3i block you so i cant see the words you type
00:16:57midknight2k3that must be "ignore"
00:17:04T-rackthats why u get the inherent blur on fast-scrolling text or graphics on the Archos
00:17:12T-rackits the delay for the pixels to refresh
00:17:15midknight2k3and it is in effect as of now
00:18:00midknight2k3something not working
00:18:05T-rackZagor u alright mate?
00:18:12midknight2k3yes he is mate
00:18:34T-rackI wasn't asking you
00:18:37ZagorT-rack: i'm shocked by your transformation :)
00:18:47T-rackin what way Zagor?
00:18:49midknight2k3i dislike the transformation
00:18:59midknight2k3in this way: it's totally unneeded!
00:19:02ZagorT-rack: it sounds like you've started to use your head. i like it.
00:19:08T-rackcheers :-)
00:20:05T-rackZagor when I used to have a Creative Labs Nomad one transistor died on the LCD, so I got a line of missing pixels :-(
00:20:27midknight2k3ouch what?
00:20:30midknight2k3tracktheripper talking?
00:20:35midknight2k3haha i cant see it yay
00:20:51T-racku know on a normal LCD a transistor controls a whole line of pixels not individual pixels as on a TFT
00:20:54midknight2k3but now zagor is talking to himself
00:21:00midknight2k3gotta be a better way
00:21:32ZagorT-rack: i don't know all that much about the internals of lcds, actually. i just program their controller chips.
00:21:44midknight2k3but T-rack does
00:22:13T-racki know the difference between a TFT and a STN midknight
00:22:23midknight2k3can you tell me?
00:22:31midknight2k3i'd love to hear
00:23:02T-racka TFT has a transistor controlling each and every pixel, a STN has a transistor for every row and column of pixels
00:23:03midknight2k3or were you "joking"?
00:23:15midknight2k3that's not really the only difference
00:23:16T-rackthats why a STNs refresh and contrast is much poorer
00:23:30midknight2k3that's one difference
00:23:52T-rackwell I don't wanna be too technical right now
00:24:59T-rackIf a transistor dies on a TFT, you get a bright pixel or a dead pixel, whereas if a transistor dies on a STN you get a row or column of missing pixels
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00:27:05T-rackim gonna get a drink brb
00:27:21DoomedTXfirmware question, anyone? : When I run the firmware_flash.rock plugin, I get the following error "I06:IllSltIn at 091F8FAA"
00:27:37midknight2k3you need to do firmware_flash.rock first
00:27:46midknight2k3if you didnt
00:27:48DoomedTXthat is the one I am trying to run
00:27:56DoomedTXthat is the error I get when I run it
00:28:02midknight2k3is it for the right model?
00:28:04ZagorDoomedTX: which model?
00:28:07midknight2k3recorder or fm reocrder?
00:28:17DoomedTXand I have the recorder .bin file
00:32:13ZagorDoomedTX: odd. you're using the right rockbox version?
00:32:30DoomedTXYes...I installed the one that came with the plugin
00:34:09DoomedTXgot it from
00:34:49ZagorDoomedTX: sorry, i'm afraid i don't know what's wrong
00:35:06DoomedTXOh well, thanks anyway...I'll keep messing with it
00:36:18T-rackHow do u redefine characters for the char-cells on the Player?
00:36:20DoomedTXWhile I'm here, do you have a tip about disconnecting and reconnecting the jb under Linux? It seems I have to have the jb connected at bootup or it will not let me mount it. Also, the first time I disconnect the usb cable I have to reboot before I can write to the drive again
00:36:38DoomedTXI know this must be an easy one but I can't seem to make it work without rebooting
00:36:57midknight2k3you know about tfts and stds why dont you know that?
00:37:12BagderDoomedTX: with kernel 2.4 I need to have the usb drivers as modules
00:37:14ZagorDoomedTX: power up the archos and let it boot before connecting it. that always works for me.
00:37:25ZagorBagder: really?
00:37:35Bagdernot with 2.6 though
00:37:53Bagderthough I'm not runnning 2.6 for real yet
00:38:02Zagori can't test 2.6 until xfree86 2.3 is released :(
00:38:20Zagor4.3 even
00:38:27Bagderlooser ;-)
00:38:28Zagornvidia+dvi, specifically
00:38:45Bagder2.6 popped up quite nicely on my first attempt
00:39:08Bagderonly the network and the sound didn't work...
00:39:15Bagder... because I had selected the wrong drivers ;-)
00:39:22DoomedTXok, thanks for the to reboot again :-)
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00:41:07T-rackI read the Archos instructions for the Player and it says "Shuffle - This plays all tracks in all folders until all tracks are played"
00:41:21T-rackbut it only shuffles in one folder at a time
00:41:27T-rackbig contradiction
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01:30:23midknight2k3mt got kicked
01:30:34midknight2k3for that flood he did 2 hourse before logbot became an op
01:30:38midknight2k3he's unforgiving
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01:38:07midknight2k3un op him
01:38:14midknight2k3behind zagors back
01:38:31adi|homeheheh no :)
01:38:37midknight2k3why not? lol
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17:15:49diddystar5i hada a bad day yesterday i burned my finger with my soldering iron, and i almost killed my r20 becaused i accidenty made a bad solder
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17:17:25diddystar5and then what fixed broke agin this morning, so i have to redo it!
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17:20:27diddystar5and i also got stung by a bee, i got sunburned, got a bad spilinter.... hummm someone didn't like me yesterday
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21:27:37Plughhiya ear
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22:20:59T-rackhello Zagor
22:42:07Plughmorning guys
22:45:27Zagormorning? where are you?
22:45:42PlughSan Jose, Cali
22:46:04Plughbasically, it's morning cuz I just woke up... metaphorically speaking
22:46:50Plughbeen buried in paperwork at my desk. Just popped up for some fresh air and saw some daylight
22:47:19Plughbut now I got 15 mins before I gotta hole up in a meeting for an hour :(
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22:54:51Jet8810haha, thats messed up
22:55:02Jet8810Jukebox FM has USB 2.0, Multimedia doesnt
22:55:05T-rackat least midknight isnt here
22:55:17Jet8810isnt that stoopid?
22:55:55PlughMM is the one you wanna be moving huge files into
22:56:09Jet8810i was shocked when it performed so slow...
22:56:11Jet8810so I checked specs
22:56:36Plughit's quite a different architecture though
22:57:18Jet8810I dont like it at all
22:57:23Jet8810I like my FM MUCH more then the Multimedia
22:57:28Jet8810if only for usb 2.0, and the radio
22:58:15PlughMy FMJ interferes with its own radio reception
22:58:22Plughit's silly
22:58:55Jet8810thats stupid
22:58:59Jet8810how does it amnage that?
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22:59:38Plughdunno. Screen updates interfere with radio reception
22:59:52Plughit's not so bad if I put it in f2 or f3 mode
23:00:21Plughbut the worst thing is the peak meter
23:01:09Jet8810defective dude
23:02:34Plughdon't tell me that ;)
23:02:50PlughI think it's cuz it was a fringe reception
23:03:02Plughhad to turn up the volume and custom tune the station
23:03:10Plughanyhow, it's time for my meeting
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23:30:38BoD[]hello :)
23:36:11T-rackhello BoD
23:54:05T-rackmid is a pain in the arse
23:54:43BoD[]mid ?
23:55:09BoD[]ah:) why
23:55:32T-rackhe was upset yesterday
23:55:40T-rackjust ask him and he'll tell u
23:56:26BoD[]i bet it's not important ;)
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