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#rockbox log for 2003-08-23

00:00:32Plugh2nd grade, 4th grade, 5th grade, 6th grade, 9th grade, and 11th grade
00:01:07midknight2k3take one online
00:01:18midknight2k3so i can compare
00:01:28 Quit edx ()
00:01:43Plughya wanna know what I've learned about IQ?
00:02:44Plughit's by and large worthless for anything practical
00:03:02midknight2k3them jsut take it for fum
00:03:21midknight2k3the key mext to m is missimg
00:03:26midknight2k3i am lookimg for it
00:03:52midknight2k3n jthere we go
00:05:01PlughI don't compare myself to other people through any third party
00:05:09midknight2k3first party then?
00:05:44PlughI judge people on my perception of them. Not someone else's
00:05:59midknight2k3what is your perception of logbot?
00:07:18Plughit's a bot. I've written better
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00:07:44midknight2k3what is your perception of logbot's use of his powers?
00:08:21Plughquit trying to confuse me
00:08:39midknight2k3"does logbot use his powers wisely or does he abuse them"?
00:31:11midknight2k3can anyone read this message?
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00:33:43T-rackanother request fixed
00:35:49T-rack"simulate the Player's display on the Recorder"
00:36:02midknight2k3it got accepted?
00:36:09T-rackit got fixed
00:37:07T-rackit got FIXED you idiot
00:37:37midknight2k3not really fixed
00:38:48midknight2k3so has the new ipod arrived?
00:39:03T-racki didn't order one
00:39:21T-rackthe Zen looks most appealing
00:40:46T-rackjust does
00:40:49T-rackplays wma, wav and mp3
00:40:54midknight2k3just fyi
00:41:13midknight2k3the karma plays mp3, wav, flac and ogg, can do timestretching and crossfading
00:41:21midknight2k3i think out of anything you'd like that
00:41:32midknight2k3plus it comes in 20 or 40 gb and it is SMALL
00:41:49midknight2k3it has VU meters and oscilloscopes and a reverse el backlight
00:41:55midknight2k3who the hell wouldnt want that?
00:42:04midknight2k3"it's ugly"?
00:42:10midknight2k3not in my eyes
00:45:17midknight2k3Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support, and a huge, backlit display capable of visualizations, animated menus, and 16 shades of gray. USB 2.0 provides fast transfers while the included docking station also adds drop-in charging, RCA Line-Out, and an Ethernet port for networking.
00:45:31midknight2k3ethernet dock? whee
00:46:26midknight2k3is the zen still more appealing
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01:00:53midknight2k3who wants a karma? i do
01:01:13midknight2k3but i want to keep rockbox
01:01:16scott666_yeah, if its free
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01:01:24midknight2k3i'd pay full price for it]
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01:01:39scott666id pay for it if it had rockbox support
01:02:13midknight2k3but rockbox would need to be modified to the karma in that it has a grayscale screen and new formats and stuf
01:02:55midknight2k3that would take a bit longer than "a while"
01:03:18midknight2k3there are a faw mp3 players i really like but rockbox keep me from them
01:03:23midknight2k3darn you rockbox
01:03:33midknight2k3why did i have to read that epinion that mentioned it?
01:04:25midknight2k3the thing about getting an ihp-100 is that iriver is a japanese company
01:04:37midknight2k3they sometimes spell things wrong or word it incorrectly
01:04:51midknight2k3SRS(Sound Retrieval System), a 3D sound technology of SRS Labs, Inc firmware of iHP-100 is now avaialble at DOWNLOAD section.
01:04:52midknight2k3Please go to Download section and feel the amazing stereophonic sound!
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01:45:22midknight2k3i will be back
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05:38:51Darth_Sebulba04Hey, is anyone using kernel 2.4.21 able to mount their arjb's?
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06:46:46Guest1hello all! I have a question - if a daily build was to work on the flashed rockbox, when does the date have to be?
06:47:40Guest1the flashing rockbox feature was introduced on 7-9-03, can the daily build that i flash be a build of 7-11, or does it have to be past a certain date?
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06:49:06Guest1anybody here?
06:51:26Guest1oh, cool, cn i ask you a question about flashing rockbox?
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06:52:32Guest1ok, i want to compile a source code file from 7-11 with a patch. will it flash onto rockbox? - the feature of flash rockbox was introduced 7-9.
06:53:01scott666sure, you can flash whatever you want
06:53:15Guest1basically what i am asking, is by what date onwards, will the daily builds be able to flash?
06:53:25Guest1i think i read somewhere that omnly certain daily builds could be flashed
06:53:37Guest1im not sure as to what the date is though
06:53:39scott666but the flash code from back then wasnt very good, you might want to update the patch to compile with the latest CVS
06:54:36scott666itd probably be easiest to just update the patch
06:54:53Guest1actually, what i am trying to do is to get a source code that ws before the charging screen got put in, becaiuse i am compiling it with the Car ignition poatch, which turns off the archos when power gets lost to it. then, it would play, when i turn on the key, and stop when i turn it off
06:55:32Guest1and i beleive that the charging screen wasnt implemented in 7-11 daily build
06:56:07Guest1but what do u mean by the earlier ones wasnt very good?
06:56:20scott666well if all youre doing is flashing the second image, it doesnt matter
06:56:37scott666if it works, it works, and if it doesnt you can fix with with F1-boot
06:56:55scott666early on there were bugs
06:57:18Guest1what do u mean that i can fix with the F1-boot ?
06:57:50Guest1should i first put tis as an F-1 boot firmware, or as the main one?
06:57:57scott666if you hold F1 while you start you boot the original archos firmware
06:58:25scott666so if you flash something to the second image that doesnt boot at all, you can still fix it by holding F1, and reflashing
06:58:45Guest1second image?
06:59:01Guest1what is the first image? - the main .UCL file correct?
06:59:02scott666the second image is the main boot, and can be reprogrammed
06:59:17scott666the first image is the original archos, and cant be changed
06:59:40Guest1oh, i see - so there is no risk at all involved then
06:59:59Guest1unless i throw the archos out the window in frustration if it doesnt work :)
07:01:18Guest1oh, i almost fergot - where can u find old daily build files - for example the rocks of 7-11-03
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07:01:50Guest1ok, thanks a lot!! u really helped
07:01:55scott666no problem
07:05:49Guest1hi, scott666, r u still there?
07:06:42Guest1im sorry, but i cant seem to find it - could you please tell me where? - i clicked on CVS in the rockbox wbsite, but i cant find it in any subfolders
07:07:25scott666i think you have to use a program to access it
07:07:48scott666ive heard of WinCVS, but i havnt used it personally
07:08:05Guest1whats that?
07:08:11scott666a program
07:08:16scott666that accesses CVS
07:08:22scott666search for it on google
07:09:03scott666but i cant help you with CVS, ive never used it
07:09:56Guest1oh, ok, thanks anyways though - im sure i'll find it
07:10:01Guest1thanks agin!!
07:10:11scott666no problemo
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11:13:23DarthWufeiWould anyone happen to know whether or not mp3s play smoothly from a Archos to Winamp via USB 1.1?
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13:44:16BloodyTuxdo you know if there is a better firmware for MPIO HD 100
13:45:39BloodyTuxok doesn't matter
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14:49:56cent20hi everybody
14:52:20ze /lastlog psycoxul
14:52:32zehmm blah
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15:54:17#>>"seen" used by Zagor ( [snoop prevented]
15:54:31Zagorwas that what you wanted?
15:54:35CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 29 minutes at the last flood
15:54:35*ze is psycoxul
15:54:42Zagoroh. hehe.
15:54:45zei was just looking for something i said before but it's out of my lastlog heh
15:54:57Zagorit's all logged on the rockbox web page
15:54:59zeoh yeah i forgot about the logs though heh
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15:57:36cent20_oups i'm here twice
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17:02:31[IDC]DragonHa again!
17:02:40[IDC]DragonHi, I mean.
17:05:21Zagorhi dragon. had a nice vacation?
17:06:55[IDC]DragonYes, can't complain.
17:07:14[IDC]DragonMountains, no diving ;-)
17:13:26[IDC]DragonZagor, I'd like to make my minimon position independent. Can you tell me how to before I have to "dive" into RTFM?
17:16:44[IDC]Dragon(afk, be right back)
17:18:01Zagorposition independent code is created by using the -pic gcc flag. but the program loader needs to load and resolve the symbol table.
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17:28:09[IDC]Dragon(back again)
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17:29:43diddystar5hey Zagor
17:31:18[IDC]DragonZagor: sh-elf-gcc: unrecognized option `-pic'
17:31:53[IDC]DragonAny specific place fo that, or uppercase?
17:33:12[IDC]Dragonbetter ;-)
17:33:57[IDC]Dragonoops, now a 255 MB output file is generated.
17:34:24diddystar5uhh ohh!
17:34:45[IDC]DragonORIGIN = 0x0FFFF000
17:35:04[IDC]Dragonthat's my current link position.
17:35:39[IDC]DragonI guess I have to do something in the linker definition file?
17:36:44Zagori don't know what you are doing, so it's hard to help. the normal rockbox code has origin 0x09000000
17:37:18*diddystar5 dosen't exactly understand the concept of 0x0ffff675 whatever could someone enlighten me :)
17:38:44Zagorit's the start address in hexadecimal notation
17:39:52diddystar5oooo now it makes sense
17:40:46[IDC]DragonZagor, i'm working on my small monitor program which is downloaded in the UART boot case.
17:41:19[IDC]DragonSo far, I've placed it into IRAM.
17:41:38[IDC]DragonBut the version 2 boot ROM is different.
17:42:05[IDC]DragonThere's no UART boot, but a monitor program already.
17:42:34[IDC]DragonI could use it to load code to the fixed DRAM location.
17:43:00[IDC]DragonSo I'd like to make my monitor fit to load from either address.
17:43:21[IDC]Dragon(That's what I'm doing.)
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17:46:07diddystar5im having probs with xchat i will be back
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17:55:32[IDC]DragonHmm, I'm incapable to get the linker file straight.
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17:57:12Darth_Sebulba04Anyone awake?
17:57:41Darth_Sebulba04Fast question, is it safe to do a format of an arjb?
17:57:57Darth_Sebulba04I somehow got corrupted files on it and I can't remove them.
17:57:57diddystar5depends on what format
17:58:15diddystar5if you do a fat32 format, your ok
18:01:33Darth_Sebulba04That seemed to work, thanks.
18:01:45diddystar5your welcome
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18:05:25diddystar5Darth_Sebulba04: did you do a full partition, or a quick one?
18:07:35Darth_Sebulba04I just needed the disk erased of the corrupt files
18:16:08diddystar5oooohhhhh i like the enhanced sound settings menu patch it has sound sliders, with the %age
18:16:46diddystar5butit jackes the size up to 161 kb, with no other patches
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18:20:54diddystar5hey Ircworld263
18:21:24IrcWorld263Sorry for my stupid nick, server fails
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18:22:07IrcWorld263Does someone know what I can do with the .rock files on my archos player?
18:22:18diddystar5hey cent20 like your sound menu patch
18:22:42Darth_Sebulba04.rock's are the new plugins, no?
18:22:44diddystar5IrcWorld263: just "play" hem
18:22:49ZagorIrcWorld263: only a few plugins work on players. the jackpot game is one.
18:23:19IrcWorld263hmm, I see the icon new to al the plugins:S
18:23:50Darth_Sebulba04Using gaim?
18:23:52Zagorwhich version are you running?
18:24:11diddystar5update to a daily build
18:24:12Zagor2.0 doesn't support plugins. you need a daily build.
18:24:13IrcWorld263do i need another cvs
18:24:16diddystar5then you can use them
18:24:25diddystar5have fun
18:24:44IrcWorld263rockbox rox
18:27:37IrcWorld263Updating makes the .rockbox directory to disapear:S
18:28:24IrcWorld263oh, i found it already
18:28:48diddystar5lots of things have changed since 2.0
18:28:58[IDC]DragonZagor: got the pic linking now.
18:29:00IrcWorld263i just noticed
18:29:37IrcWorld263wow, a jackpot
18:30:12[IDC]DragonAre these pic tables documented somewhere? They don't seem to contain anything.
18:30:58Zagori don't know, i haven't looked at it very much
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18:39:33[IDC]DragonPIC code runs fine, without any "treatment".
18:40:01[IDC]DragonNext I've to try to load to somewhere else ;-)
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18:47:40Zagorgotta go
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20:00:50midknight2k3where is everyone?
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20:14:25joshnI'm having trouble with my compiler setup. Can anyone help me?
20:14:46midknight2k3what's the problem?
20:15:06joshnthe compiler feels free to set any variables to 0 whenever it feels like it.
20:15:43joshnthat is, I set a global var in one function, and after I return, it's reset to 0.
20:16:23midknight2k3never heard of that
20:16:34midknight2k3cant help there sorry
20:16:38joshnI'm not using the rockbox compile settings, per se, so it could be a difference there...
20:16:50midknight2k3probably actually
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22:36:10hardeepheya Zagor
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23:11:27diddystar5[IDC]Dragon: any updates on charging issues?
23:12:15diddystar5both rec and fm
23:12:47[IDC]Dragonwhat issues with recorder?
23:13:17diddystar5i thought some people had problems with charging on the normal recorder
23:13:44[IDC]Dragonerror roporting on this was very diffuse.
23:15:13[IDC]DragonSome FMs seem to have "real" problems. like an undiscovered bit controlling their charging. Even the F1-started Archos s/w didn't charge.
23:16:03Zagorit seems regular recorders have some charging issue too, flash-related or not. it reports charging complete much too quickly.
23:16:09diddystar5humm thats weird have you dissasembled their boot-loader to see what it does?
23:17:27[IDC]DragonIn parts, yes. But my focus hasn't been on charging back then.
23:17:43diddystar5Zagor: could that have anything to do with battery capacity while charging?
23:18:06diddystar5since the default is 1500
23:20:37[IDC]DragonFor the charging the screen, the algorithm is started before the settings are there. That explains some differences in calculation, but no big ones.
23:20:59Zagorit doesn't explain the differences
23:21:27Zagorthe only thing capacity is used for is max charge time, and the lower limit for that is 450 minutes
23:22:07Zagormy recorder said finished in maybe 2 hours, using a slow 9V charger. that's much much too fast.
23:22:29[IDC]DragonAnother small one is that the algorithm takes for granted that the disk was just active and tries to compensate, but which is wrong for the charging screen.
23:23:04Zagori'm tempted to blame our new flash startup, but i can't for the life of me think of how that could affect it like this
23:23:58[IDC]DragonIf some charge parameter has no reasonable default, it could.
23:24:31Zagorbut i never used the charging screen. i always boot up first, then insert the charger
23:25:25[IDC]Dragonboot sequence is the same: power thread started before settings loaded.
23:25:42[IDC]DragonI coudn't help it.
23:26:07Zagorhmm, right
23:26:28Zagorindeed, that could be it
23:27:20[IDC]DragonWhat can we do?
23:27:45Zagori'm not sure. i'm looking at it.
23:28:33[IDC]DragonI'm tempted to split the settings loading into 2 pieces: one for RTC and a later one for disk.
23:29:16[IDC]DragonFor the RTC models, this would allow to have "vital" settings available before the disk is ready.
23:29:30Zagori'm rather thinking a different solution for the charging screen: only enter it if disk spinup fails, then retry spinup every 10 minutes or so
23:30:23[IDC]DragonSounds very unstable. The disk spinup can cause a brownout.
23:30:52Zagorwell, theoretically yes. but has it actually ever happened?
23:31:14diddystar5im curious, could that 44 bytes of battery backed up memory be used to store the battery capacity, and be loaded be the charging screen algorithm
23:31:19[IDC]DragonI think it is most likely.
23:31:42[IDC]Dragon(brownout, I mean)
23:32:20Zagori'm not so sure about that. you need a serious voltage drop, as in busted batteries, for that to happen
23:33:31[IDC]DragonThe disk sucks so much power that while discharged battery will easily power up the CPU with a few milliamps, but the spinup current with magnitudes higher load will bring it to it's knees.
23:34:16Zagorwe need some testing. never booting on dc connect is very high price to pay.
23:34:45[IDC]DragonThat's what it's been all the time, right?
23:35:03Zagoryes, and that has been very annoying for those who use it in cars for example
23:36:29[IDC]DragonI know, that car and powerup topic is interesting.
23:36:47diddystar5what about that 44 bytes of battery backed-up memory??? can't it be used for settings???
23:37:10[IDC]Dragondiddystar5: it can, but not for all models.
23:37:12Zagordiddystar5: it is used already. that's what dragon was talking about "splitting"
23:38:02[IDC]DragonI have to leave you guys with these thoughts, bedtime for me.
23:38:18Zagorok, bye
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23:43:01diddystar5Zagor: any plans for moving to a new CVS root i haven't been able to get anyhting out of sourceforge for 2 weeks
23:43:54Zagorsourceforge is updating their server farm Real Soon Now. i'm waiting for that.
23:44:41diddystar5good they have said they were going to fix it a few weeks a few months ago
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