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#rockbox log for 2003-08-27

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00:21:37^-^_DarkAngel_^-re :)
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00:25:17^-^_DarkAngel_^-gizz didn't came ?
00:26:22[IDC]Dragonnot yet.
00:26:41^-^_DarkAngel_^-where are u from ?
00:26:54^-^_DarkAngel_^-and gizz ?
00:27:07^-^_DarkAngel_^-just like me :)
00:27:33[IDC]Dragonmaybe he's you neighbor
00:27:48^-^_DarkAngel_^-maybe... know more about him ?
00:28:18[IDC]Dragonwell, yes, real name.
00:28:20 Nick edx` is now known as edx (
00:28:25^-^_DarkAngel_^-not the town ?
00:28:39[IDC]Dragonno. feel free to ask him.
00:28:46^-^_DarkAngel_^-i will :)
00:28:50^-^_DarkAngel_^-I'm planning to install cygwin (from the official website)
00:28:57^-^_DarkAngel_^-will rockbox still work ?
00:29:03^-^_DarkAngel_^-I mean compile ?
00:29:08[IDC]Dragonthat's what I did.
00:29:31[IDC]Dragonthe download is quite whopping.
00:29:39[IDC]Dragon200 megs or so.
00:29:41^-^_DarkAngel_^-looks better, I will have ucl (you find it there ?), gcc, perl and other :)
00:29:56^-^_DarkAngel_^-download ok... when I left it started :)
00:30:29[IDC]Dragonucl is completely different, no part of gnu.
00:30:38^-^_DarkAngel_^-oki :)
00:30:46^-^_DarkAngel_^-I can see an XML parser, have you never thought about making the config files in xml ?
00:30:47[IDC]Dragonand for Perl, I use ActivePerl.
00:32:28hardeepxml would be overkill for our config files
00:32:29^-^_DarkAngel_^-I'll try using the perl from this (cygwin setup) since it's easier (for me) to have only one thing to install :)
00:32:56^-^_DarkAngel_^-sorry, my english is bad and I'm not sure about "overkill"....
00:33:09hardeepmore than necessary
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00:33:28^-^_DarkAngel_^-even with the newkey ?
00:34:09^-^_DarkAngel_^-lol, many things about those key (cancel key...) on the mailling list :)
00:36:54^-^_DarkAngel_^-will anyone be insterested if I make a runtime calculator (to know how long you run the archos without pressing OFF) ?
00:37:21^-^_DarkAngel_^-based on the idea of the actual runtime but being reseted on reboot :)
00:45:33^-^_DarkAngel_^-I got an error when compiling the uisimulator for win32, anyone can help ?
00:46:57hardeepwhat's the error?
00:47:16^-^_DarkAngel_^-button.c: In function `button_event':
00:47:16^-^_DarkAngel_^-button.c:95: `BUTTON_MENU' undeclared (first use in this function)
00:47:16^-^_DarkAngel_^-button.c:95: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
00:47:16DBUGEnqueued KICK ^-^_DarkAngel_^-
00:47:16^-^_DarkAngel_^-button.c:95: for each function it appears in.)
00:47:16^-^_DarkAngel_^-make: *** [button.o] Error 1
00:47:26^-^_DarkAngel_^-sorry for the "flood"... :)
00:47:43^-^_DarkAngel_^-I didn't modify anything yet !
00:47:47hardeephow are you building it? you need to run tools/configure and use the Makefile generated by that
00:48:16^-^_DarkAngel_^-so I go to the win32 dir and run "../../tools/configure" ?
00:48:49hardeepno, create a build dir and run ../tools/configure
00:48:58hardeepexactly the same as you would build the firmware
00:49:08hardeepexcept you specify simulator as target
00:50:23^-^_DarkAngel_^-in the "target platform" i only have player/recorder and fm !
00:51:52^-^_DarkAngel_^-great, working better ! (not finished yet)
00:51:55^-^_DarkAngel_^-thanx hardeep
00:57:45^-^_DarkAngel_^-don't have the "debug menu" in the simulator :(
00:57:56^-^_DarkAngel_^-I'll watch this tomorow...
00:59:09^-^_DarkAngel_^-good night everyone and thanx for giving my archos what it must have :)
01:00:35hardeepg'night. :)
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01:41:01gizz_dragon ?
01:41:06gizz_are you there ?
01:41:11gizz_(hi all :))
01:42:13gizz_I was ready to test your LCD init flash-code :)
01:43:32MTjust read up mailing list from over the weekend
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01:43:50MTquite some 'discussion' about off-cancel play-select
01:44:21MTimho, off is the ultimate "ive changed my mind"
01:44:37MTyou press off, you want to quit, not 'go back a level'
01:44:48MTplay is acceptance, press play to proceed
01:44:58MTimho :)
01:45:19MT85 MORE unread messages?!
01:46:09gizz_tsk tsk, never let a week end pass without reading your mail ;)
01:46:23MTi was in a field, and i hate mobile phones :)
01:47:04MTSharon had verbal diahorrea and the gallant men of the list sprung to her attention
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01:58:49MTall done :)
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02:21:13gizz_is there anybody out there ?
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02:36:40knobbyanyone know where tools can be found like the sh2 disassembler and descrable?
02:36:44knobbydescramble even
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07:56:39MetRockerhi people
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09:35:34midknight2k3hello linus
09:35:41midknight2k3how can i set my cvsroot?
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09:52:17LinusNmidknight2k3: ?
09:52:39LinusNedit CVS/Root
09:52:47midknight2k3i use cygwin to cehckotu rockbox, when when i try to use "cvs co -D 2003-02-27" to get rockbox fromt aht date it says no cvsroot specified
09:53:01midknight2k3cehckotu? lol
09:53:07midknight2k3check out
09:53:22LinusNluaginhg my ass off
09:53:40midknight2k3you did that on purpose! lol
09:56:01midknight2k3so any ideas?
09:56:06midknight2k3how do i do edit cvs/root?
09:57:59midknight2k3C:\cygwin\home\rockbox\gdb\CVS\ has a file "root"
09:58:05midknight2k3it contains the following
09:58:13midknight2k3is it busted?
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10:06:15LinusNlook ok to me
10:06:52midknight2k3CVS checkout: No CVSROOT specified! please use the "-d" option
10:06:54LinusNbut you may need to specify the root with the co command
10:07:38midknight2k3checkout aborted: blabla, set the cvscrap thingy
10:07:44midknight2k3co command?
10:07:48LinusNthe co command is used to create a new local repository
10:08:51LinusNcvs co rockbox-devel
10:09:19midknight2k3put that in the "Root" file?
10:09:23midknight2k3or tye it in the BASH?
10:09:26LinusNno type it
10:09:39LinusNin an empty dir
10:09:51midknight2k3in this case ui
10:09:54midknight2k3that will do what?
10:10:05midknight2k3i need a 2-27-2003 version of rockbox
10:10:22LinusNthen add the -D switch
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10:10:31Quelsarukmorning to all
10:10:38LinusNcvs -D2003-02-27 co rockbox-devel
10:10:40midknight2k3 after all that put -D 20030227?
10:10:42LinusNQuelsaruk: hola
10:10:48midknight2k3with a space right
10:11:26midknight2k3cvs invalid option −−D
10:11:34Quelsarukhej LinusN!
10:12:03Quelsarukmidknight2k3: good night then ;)
10:12:05midknight2k3where cvs options are -q, -n etc
10:12:11midknight2k3not this second
10:12:15midknight2k3want to get this straign
10:12:30LinusNtype the -D after the co command
10:12:58midknight2k3like above but after co?
10:13:46midknight2k3apparently it only likes, not .se
10:14:47LinusNhehe, typo
10:16:04LinusNcvs co rockbox-devel -D 2003-02-27 again?
10:16:20LinusNi am lame
10:16:25LinusNcvs co rockbox-devel -D 2003-02-27
10:16:37midknight2k3it likes the -D 2003-02-27 _before_ the rockbox-devel AFAIK
10:16:43midknight2k3linus is not lame
10:17:35LinusNcvs co -D 2003-02-27 rockbox-devel
10:17:54midknight2k3let me let it finish and double check
10:23:12midknight2k3it works!
10:23:14midknight2k3thanks linus!
10:23:18LinusNyou're welcome
10:26:25midknight2k3oh and i tried that advanced superbass in his patch
10:26:31midknight2k3i think it's excellent
10:26:36midknight2k3should be incorporated
10:26:46midknight2k3and the sliders too since the overlap is fixed
10:27:25LinusNhmm, maybe i should try it
10:27:31midknight2k3didn't yet?
10:27:34midknight2k3it's excellent
10:27:39LinusNmy time is limited
10:27:52midknight2k3100% effect, 0% harmonicness and 30-40hz frequency thingy
10:28:02midknight2k3it sounds .. perfection
10:29:02midknight2k3i like it
10:29:07midknight2k3it's very .. fidlly
10:29:19midknight2k3you can get great sound if you play with that and the other settings
10:29:22LinusN0% harmonics shouldn't give you much
10:29:36midknight2k3it doesn't seem that different from 100%
10:29:48midknight2k3so i put it to zero for... reasons..
10:29:50LinusNeven more interestin
10:30:01midknight2k3and more features of the dsp?
10:30:05midknight2k3any more*
10:30:16midknight2k3never knew about this, but is there more i mean
10:30:42LinusNnot really
10:31:41midknight2k3oh well
10:32:33midknight2k3and my redzone
10:37:28dwihnoSounds great to the dance master inside of me :-D
10:37:32midknight2k3comes with the whole sound sliders package
10:37:38dwihnoSound sliders?
10:37:42LinusNwell, Superbass is the wrong word
10:37:43midknight2k3very recommended
10:37:48midknight2k3advanced superbass
10:38:20dwihnoSo what is it really?
10:38:27LinusNHis patch does in fact not handle superbass, it handles MDB, Micronas Dynamic Bass
10:38:34midknight2k3it gives better control of the standard bass boost
10:38:44midknight2k3i was gonna say that
10:38:53dwihnoLinusN: Is it evil shiznat? :)
10:38:54LinusNsuperbass is another thing (which we should add BTW)
10:38:55dwihnoI like bass.
10:39:21midknight2k3either way it rocks your rockbox more than bland old "bass boost"
10:39:30midknight2k3try it.
10:39:36Quelsarukdwihno: listen to some metal songs and you won't need bass :P
10:39:36midknight2k3"bayse boost"
10:39:43dwihnoQuelsaruk: muy bien!
10:39:51Quelsaruky ole!
10:39:55midknight2k3when you have "Micronas dynamic Bass"
10:40:06midknight2k3either way
10:40:08midknight2k3i am tired
10:40:32dwihnoQuelsaruk: While in spain, I learned how to get extra tasty burgers: Hamburgesa solo con keso y pimente
10:40:49midknight2k3i really hope a-b repeat will make it in soon ;)
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10:40:56*dwihno is almost mastering spanish now
10:41:12midknight2k3what does espanol mean, dwinho?
10:41:42midknight2k3we know you can speak spanish
10:41:58dwihnoWhere do I find this bass thing btw?
10:42:18midknight2k3the third latest
10:42:29Quelsaruk(it's pimienta)
10:42:29midknight2k3with or without sliders, and vice versa
10:42:38midknight2k3i am toodnight
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10:43:01dwihnomy current development environment won't compile it - my cygwin is so specialized for cygwin-sshd :-)
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10:46:52Quelsarukbtw dwihno, have you ever heard apocalyptica?
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10:48:09dwihnoQuelsaruk: apocalyptica what?
10:48:21dwihnoQuelsaruk: I've heard Beth - Dime, in Cala Millor ;-D
10:48:28dwihnoDamn that was fun!
10:48:51dwihnoBut those evil clubs makes my eyes sore because of the heavy load of smoke.
10:50:14Quelsaruki don't like thos places, but you have to go
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11:34:31gizz_hi all
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11:46:29gizz_hi linus, darth
11:46:57DarthWufeiHmm, you wouldn't happen to know of a nice ID3 tag editor would you? Heh
11:47:20gizz_not really, sorry :-/
11:47:26DarthWufeiOh ok :P
11:48:13gizz_I've heard about a ton of them on the yahoo-archos ML, but I didn't chechk them
11:48:31gizz_are you registered to archos-yahoo ML ?
11:49:19DarthWufeiI think so
11:50:04gizz_maybe they have links for that in their Files section
11:50:13gizz_(on the web site)
12:00:55gizz_Linus ?
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12:02:03gizz_Linus are you there ? :)
12:02:10gizz_hi edx
12:02:34LinusNi am
12:02:56gizz_linus : may I ask you some rockbox questions ?
12:03:09LinusNisn't that why we're all here?
12:03:24gizz_well, I need your science :
12:03:54gizz_I don't know if your aware, but I'm testing rockbox-on-flash on my player,
12:04:13LinusNaha, you want LCD init code?
12:04:29gizz_[in short]
12:04:39gizz_Dragon sent me a try
12:04:45LinusNand your drive is dead?
12:04:47gizz_at initing the LCD,
12:04:57gizz_dead, well not really
12:05:09LinusNbut not spinning up?
12:05:13gizz_indeed when I boot rockbox in flash,
12:05:21gizz_yep hdd does not spin up
12:05:25gizz_and LCD is blind
12:05:29gizz_only BL is on
12:05:30LinusNi suspected that
12:05:49gizz_I'm looking at the firmware source,
12:06:02gizz_but don't find the main beginning (init)
12:06:50gizz_I've found your asm code that copies vectors
12:07:08gizz_(in case of gdb kernl ?)
12:07:26gizz_but can't find where the IO inits are..
12:08:03gizz_system.c ?
12:08:05LinusNthe I/O inits are all over
12:08:20LinusNeach driver inits its own I/O
12:08:32gizz_run in threads ?
12:09:07dwihnoHooray for Linus!
12:09:19*dwihno celebrates Linus. Thanks for making MAS sound on the recorder! :D
12:10:02*LinusN bows
12:10:14gizz_and.. the fat code too ? ;)
12:10:23dwihnoThat's Zagor
12:10:28gizz_and gdb stub ??
12:10:38gizz_fm radio ?
12:10:41dwihnoFM = Linus
12:10:46LinusNgizz_: check apps/main.c
12:11:05gizz_and what about drivers/lcd-player.c ?
12:11:49LinusNthat's where the LCD init should be done
12:12:15LinusNregarding your drive, set PB4 as an output and set it to 0
12:12:23gizz_dragon di a try at it, sent me *.mod and *.ucl, but it doesn't init LCD correctly :)
12:13:12dwihnohah! the antivirus detected one of my hand-crafted bat files as a virus :D
12:13:56gizz_linus : drive=hdd or "my player" ? :)
12:14:06gizz_PB4 is for LCD init ?
12:14:12gizz_or hdd ? :(
12:14:22gizz_ok, so in ata.c ?
12:14:33LinusNPB4 controls the power to the HD on new players/studios
12:15:22gizz_oh, is it related to void ide_power_enable(bool on) ?
12:15:44LinusNyes, but it is disabled in that function
12:15:47LinusNfor players
12:16:18LinusNbecause it is used for power saving purposes in rockbox, but that doesn't work on players
12:16:48LinusNthe device can turn on the HD power, but will crash if it turns it off
12:17:08LinusNor something like that, i can't really remember why it didn't work as expected
12:17:56gizz_but what do you think, should I try first the LCD or IDE init test ?
12:18:17LinusNdoes it matter wat you try first?
12:18:26gizz_well, err
12:18:59gizz_but I'm sure where to put IDE init : ata.c or power.c ?
12:19:25gizz_I'm not
12:20:13LinusNhm, the correct way should probably be power.c
12:20:21LinusNin ide_power_enable()
12:20:38LinusNbut we need to prevent ata.c from powering off the HD when powersaving
12:21:22gizz_do players define HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF ?
12:21:45LinusNno, i tried to explain that
12:22:38gizz_(it's hard fo gizz to understand the guts of rockbox without docs, apis, tutorial, etc.. :))
12:22:45LinusNthe new players have the possibility to do it, but if we set HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF, the ata code will try to use ot for power saving and the player will crash
12:23:51LinusNwe need to change the HAVE_ macros a little to reflect this
12:24:09LinusNbut for your hack, just change ide_power_enable() for now
12:24:44gizz_ok, I'll try at least :)
12:27:18LinusNgotta go now, cu later
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14:10:55rhinostooli need help with something
14:11:22rhinostoolhow do i change the directory limit to a number greater than 400 files
14:14:02MTF1 -> General Settings -> System -> Max files in dir browser
14:15:25rhinostooli don't have that on my menu
14:15:44MTthen you cant change it
14:17:05rhinostoolthere's nothing i can install?
14:17:22MTa recent version of rockbox
14:17:36rhinostooli have 2.0 on there
14:17:43MT2.0 is old
14:18:09rhinostooldo i install a daily build?
14:18:37MT3 months since ability to change dir file limit, 4 months since 2.0 ..
14:30:43rhinostoolok, i got it. thanks mt. appreciate it
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14:32:09DarthWufeiHe lives near me.
14:32:15DarthWufeiSame DNS thing
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19:34:01[IDC]DragonHi gizz_!
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21:04:04[IDC]DragonGizz, do you read?
21:04:16midknight2k3hello dragon
21:04:38[IDC]Dragonmy victim plays dead
21:05:02midknight2k3plays dead in fear his player will die
21:05:05midknight2k3die big time
21:05:20[IDC]Dragonno reason, he's over the hill.
21:07:54gizz_dragon ?
21:08:06gizz_I'm there ;)
21:08:35[IDC]DragonHave you read my email
21:09:07[IDC]Dragonany chance to try?
21:09:10gizz_I tested
21:09:17gizz_bad news :
21:09:21PlughI'm a system administrator. I read your email ;)
21:09:24gizz_It doesn't work :(
21:09:33[IDC]Dragonwhat doesn't work?
21:09:50gizz_lcd de init works,
21:09:57gizz_but lcd init, not
21:10:03gizz_u see ?
21:10:10gizz_so doesn't the ucl..
21:10:21[IDC]Dragonde-init killed the LCD as expected?
21:10:49[IDC]Dragonat least some effect.
21:10:51gizz_but init didn't get things back
21:11:36[IDC]Dragonwhat happened when you rolo init?
21:11:54gizz_I just redid it now :
21:12:15[IDC]Dragonyou mean, the LCD stay normal?
21:12:18gizz_I can imagine it gets roloed, fs restarts,
21:12:37gizz_I go blindly to rolo the init one,
21:12:55gizz_but LCD still remains blind
21:12:59[IDC]Dragonwait, you're confusing me.
21:13:01gizz_(not inited)
21:13:08gizz_I know,
21:13:21[IDC]Dragonplease recap:
21:13:22gizz_I started by talking about the deinit, then init
21:13:40gizz_1) de init roloes, unpower LCD,
21:13:46midknight2k3holy crap
21:13:55gizz_2) init gets roloed blindly, restarts fs, but not LCD
21:13:56gizz_ok ?
21:14:10[IDC]Dragonso far, yes.
21:14:16gizz_sorry mid :)
21:14:18[IDC]Dragonhow about:
21:14:31[IDC]Dragonyou power it up,
21:14:34midknight2k3all teh text just came up is all
21:14:50[IDC]Dragonsome Archos software you flashed loads Rockbox,
21:15:01[IDC]Dragonthe unit is up.
21:15:11[IDC]Dragonnow you rolo the init version.
21:15:21[IDC]DragonDoas the LCD stay normal?
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21:16:11gizz_guess the result
21:16:21gizz_no idea ?
21:16:29gizz_LCD shuts off ;)
21:16:37[IDC]Dragonwith init?
21:16:53[IDC]Dragonnot de-init?
21:17:13gizz_I double checked
21:17:17[IDC]Dragonthen my init is wrong.
21:17:25gizz_1 question :
21:17:34gizz_your lcd init code,
21:17:34[IDC]Dragonthis is a result that tells something, at least.
21:17:39gizz_is it big ?
21:17:46gizz_I mean,
21:17:47gizz_the patch
21:17:51gizz_if no,
21:17:53[IDC]Dragonno, 3 or 4 lines of code.
21:18:08gizz_you can send me directly the patch, so I apply it myself, and compile
21:18:17gizz_(easier for me)
21:18:21[IDC]DragonYou can compile?
21:18:30[IDC]Dragonthat's perfect!
21:18:37gizz_I also compiled uclpack
21:18:48[IDC]DragonSo you can remove line by line to find the bad one.
21:18:57gizz_(today, I tried some ata init, thx to linus)
21:19:31[IDC]Dragonand I don't have to "flood" your email with test versions.
21:19:53[IDC]Dragondo you have the latest cvs code base?
21:19:59gizz_plus I can see you code, and play with it
21:20:07gizz_today cvs
21:20:40[IDC]Dragonmaybe you should open the LCD datasheet, page 22.
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21:21:28[IDC]DragonWhat i'm trying to achive with the init is to find out to what is already has been initialized.
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21:21:48[IDC]Dragonyou can't read the settings, unfortunately.
21:22:05scott666talkin about flashing the player?]
21:22:17gizz_scott yes
21:22:24[IDC]DragonSo if I set everything to what it already is, it won't change, good case.
21:22:43[IDC]DragonIf it changes, you've set it different, bad case.
21:23:01[IDC]DragonThis way, you cando command by command.
21:23:27[IDC]Dragon(there'll be only 3 commands necessary, I think)
21:24:00[IDC]Dragonscott666: yes, Rockbox doesn't run cold-started on players yet.
21:24:12[IDC]DragonFlashing works.
21:25:21gizz_dragon : can you first tell me what file did you modify to test the lcd init ?
21:25:45[IDC]Dragonobvious, eh?
21:26:39gizz_ok, lcd_init
21:27:12[IDC]DragonI've emailed it to laposte.
21:27:47[IDC]DragonDo you have the SSD1801 datasheet (from rockbox site)?
21:28:42gizz_yes, page 22
21:29:06[IDC]DragonOK, it lists the commands.
21:29:26gizz_may I only extract the coldstart lines from the file (instead of replacing my file) ?
21:29:45[IDC]Dragon(POR) means power-on-reset, the coldstart state.
21:30:00[IDC]Dragonis your file different from cvs state?
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21:30:18gizz_well, not much
21:30:27gizz_but I'm lazy :)
21:30:36[IDC]Dragonbut it is? what did you do to it?
21:30:39gizz_so I'll replace it :)
21:31:09[IDC]Dragonyou could as well copy the function or even the part of it.
21:31:27[IDC]DragonBut replacing is faster, if you did no mods to it.
21:31:42gizz_that's right
21:32:59[IDC]DragonI checked the datasheet for commands where the POR value didn't look operational to me.
21:33:29[IDC]DragonAre you facing page 22? Maybe it's a good idea to print it.
21:33:45gizz_I got on right side of my screen :)
21:33:54gizz_got it
21:33:58[IDC]Dragonbig screen, eh?
21:34:07gizz_ooh yes :)
21:34:25[IDC]Dragonmine is only 17"
21:34:32midknight2k3how big is gizzs?
21:34:39scott666i switch between 19" and 56"
21:34:43[IDC]Dragonask the ladies
21:34:45gizz_(sorry mine is silicon graphics 20" :))
21:34:54midknight2k3i meant screen dragon
21:35:45scott666my 56"er pwns you
21:35:52[IDC]DragonBut I've ordered a 21" LCD on monday.
21:36:02midknight2k3yay for dragon
21:36:06[IDC]Dragondidn't arrive yet.
21:36:25[IDC]Dragon(not trying to show off)
21:36:36midknight2k3of course not
21:36:41gizz_(too late :))
21:36:41midknight2k3but which is it?
21:37:08[IDC]DragonThey now have a fast one.
21:37:31midknight2k3that mush have been $$
21:37:47[IDC]DragonSo far only the small LCDs were fast, for gamers.
21:38:55[IDC]DragonGizz, back to business?
21:40:09[IDC]Dragon(Gizz seems to be compiling already)
21:44:18gizz_I compiled with only the third init line (u see ??)
21:44:29gizz_but it still remains blind
21:44:54[IDC]Dragonand how about without the third line, but the others?
21:45:05gizz_have to test
21:45:17[IDC]Dragonyou mean: gets blind, not remains blind?
21:46:18gizz_I tested ucl directly
21:46:42[IDC]Dragonno, please always rolo for this kind of test.
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21:47:05gizz_ok, so I only have to copy archos.mod and rolo it right ?
21:47:18[IDC]Dragonyes, please.
21:47:47[IDC]Dragonbetter don't copy it to root, don't replace the "good" one.
21:49:57gizz_lcd is still powered off
21:50:15[IDC]Dragongets powered off, you mean?
21:50:28[IDC]Dragonwith only third line?
21:50:32gizz_it stil gets powered off
21:50:44gizz_no with only 2 first lines
21:51:07[IDC]Dragonkeep taking out stuff, please.
21:51:41[IDC]DragonI'll grab something to eat meanwhile, if you don't mind.
21:51:52gizz_of course :)
21:52:50_seb_things don't want to compile
22:05:02[IDC]DragonGizz, how do you do?
22:05:18gizz_I'm trying
22:05:24gizz_without great succes
22:05:43[IDC]Dragonany line is bad?
22:06:05gizz_it's difficult to say
22:08:32[IDC]Dragon_seb_: what doesn't want to compile?
22:10:29gizz_hurray murray
22:10:55gizz_I seem to have found a way
22:11:09gizz_I have : 1deinit.mod that blinds screen,
22:11:24gizz_2reinit.mod that get it back visible
22:11:32gizz_(have to test ucl now ?)
22:11:50[IDC]Dragonwhat's in 2reinit.mod ?
22:11:55gizz_easy :
22:12:13gizz_1deinit : write 20, write 28;
22:12:24gizz_2reinit : write 27, write 29
22:12:33gizz_I don't touch power save
22:13:22[IDC]Dragondeinit should, else, you don't have the POR state
22:14:06gizz_I see
22:22:23gizz_it works if I leave power save OFF but oscillator ON, in reinit
22:22:45gizz_I wonder what power save impacts
22:23:28[IDC]DragonOh yes, power save should be off.
22:23:45gizz_maybe it's the key
22:23:49[IDC]Dragonthat's an error of mine, i misinterpreted the polarity.
22:23:57gizz_I test ucl
22:25:15[IDC]DragonNot working? then we're missing some command.
22:25:27gizz_well wait
22:25:50gizz_you've put your init code in has_new_lcd conditional block,
22:26:07gizz_but maybe at coldstart, has_new_lcd is not correct ?
22:26:17gizz_(=> our init code is not launched)
22:26:35[IDC]Dragonshould be correct, it reads the firmware version to tell.
22:27:36[IDC]Dragonfirmware version is 2 bytes in the flash.
22:28:27[IDC]DragonSo, in summary, you've changed 0x0C to 0x0E for init?
22:29:14[IDC]Dragonoops, no, this was 0x0E already in my file?
22:29:42gizz_yes, in the very first line
22:30:06[IDC]Dragonthen no error of mine.
22:30:07gizz_but I commented them out and restarted step by step
22:30:20gizz_I found the value again
22:30:24gizz_you're right
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22:30:28[IDC]Dragonwhat did you change then?
22:30:43gizz_25 => 27
22:31:30gizz_no change really
22:31:34[IDC]Dragonbit X1 is don't care here?
22:31:57*gizz_ don't understand
22:32:04[IDC]Dragonbut gave you different behaviour?
22:32:20gizz_very weird indeed
22:32:56gizz_I assure you that I could get the lcd back the way I told you above
22:33:24[IDC]Dragonand not with 25?
22:34:30[IDC]DragonWell, it has never been confirmed that Archos uses exacly this controller. Maybe a laterversion which has the bit assigned.
22:35:03gizz_sniff potentially yes
22:35:44[IDC]Dragonso you hold your position: 25 not working, 27 OK?
22:36:12gizz_I tested once again yes
22:36:33[IDC]Dragonfor this bit, we even don't know the POR value.
22:36:52[IDC]DragonOK, i'll change that in my version, too.
22:38:06[IDC]DragonNext, we need to add more commands, must be missing something.
22:40:06gizz_In all cases, I confirm you the 25/27 different behaviour
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22:40:43[IDC]Dragoncandidates are: double height mode (unlikely), function set (unlikely), start line (unlikely), bias (hot)
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22:41:37[IDC]DragonI think I'll first put them all with POR values to de-init, to check if it does additional harm.
22:42:22gizz_oops, my archos gives me problems once again :(
22:42:34[IDC]Dragonlike what?
22:42:58gizz_like I can't mount it properly (browse dirs, etc..)
22:43:10[IDC]DragonUh oh
22:43:16gizz_SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 70000
22:43:16gizz_ I/O error: dev 08:01, sector 36138
22:43:16gizz_Directory sread (sector 0x8d2a) failed
22:43:52[IDC]Dragonunix or windows?
22:44:53[IDC]DragonI'm a windows lamer, can't help
22:45:04gizz_I know :-/
22:45:48[IDC]DragonThanks. :-|
22:47:38[IDC]Dragonis this a showstopper?
22:48:28gizz_for now yes :-/
22:48:45gizz_I'll do what I can to continue our research though....
22:49:37[IDC]Dragonwell, if you can't copy the stuff to your box any more, there's not much.
22:50:44gizz_well, at worst, I got a wind*ws box that mount it better normally, I can try that
22:50:57gizz_(it's just, .. two times longer)
22:51:20[IDC]Dragonor reboot your PC (I know, this is not very Linux-ish)
22:51:43gizz_my real fear is that it could blow the fs on my archos
22:52:13[IDC]DragonDo you have a backup?
22:52:13gizz_(the device IS mounted, not-unmountable, so a reset should not be the best)
22:52:53gizz_ok, I'm gonna try the reboot
22:53:16[IDC]Dragonsee you in a few then, i guess
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22:54:25midknight2k3why is he rebooting?
22:55:23[IDC]Dragonbecouse mounting and unmounting went unstable, got a disk error.
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23:20:00midknight2k3is he sposed to come back?
23:20:36PlughI'm not gonna come around much anymore cuz midknight is mean to me
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23:25:34gizz_hi all
23:25:39[IDC]Dragonwelcome back!
23:25:48midknight2k3linux rebooting takes horus or what?
23:26:22[IDC]DragonGizz, I've sent an updated file with full de-init.
23:26:38gizz_mid : I tried to unmount archos properly, by all means, but without success
23:26:44gizz_dragon : I got it
23:27:11gizz_I could mount it with my win box
23:27:16midknight2k3did it take all that ten minuet to reboot or waht?
23:28:00gizz_in the mean time, I could remount it, began to back it up, but it crashed another time, really seriously
23:28:10gizz_(I suspect a problem with the linux driver)
23:29:12[IDC]DragonGizz: apart from that kind of problems (excuse my ignorance):
23:29:20gizz_dragon : yes ?
23:29:39[IDC]DragonI think you know what to do next with the file.
23:29:59gizz_I'm looking at it
23:30:01[IDC]DragonIt probably won't re-init with all that de-init,
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23:30:26[IDC]Dragonso you need to take the new stuff out, then back in line by line.
23:31:00[IDC]DragonFor each line that kills you, you have to find the counterpiece that brings it up again.
23:31:28[IDC]DragonUntil we have the full set of necessary inits.
23:31:40[IDC]DragonTedious, I know.
23:32:06gizz_have you thought about RE archos firmware ?
23:32:20gizz_and ?
23:32:26gizz_not a good idea ?
23:32:46[IDC]DragonThe swedes parially did that, but Björn couldn't help me on this one.
23:33:03[IDC]DragonOnother nice tool is Stevies simulator.
23:33:08gizz_ah ok
23:33:18gizz_but his website is dead ?
23:33:23gizz_I never could see it !!
23:33:46[IDC]DragonIt's not complete yet, but interpretes the SH CPU and simulates the hardware.
23:34:19[IDC]DragonThis can capture the LCD commands issued by Archos.
23:34:39[IDC]DragonHe did that for the recorder for me.
23:34:46gizz_could be cool if it sim'ed the player
23:35:17[IDC]DragonBut I don't know what happened to him, haven't seen him for a looong time.
23:35:42[IDC]DragonHope he's alright.
23:35:43gizz_and what about his website ? do you have the UL ?
23:36:13[IDC]Dragonno, you'd have to find it in the logs or so.
23:36:29gizz_I found one
23:36:42gizz_but it doesn't DNS-resolves
23:36:46[IDC]Dragonwas there a website? I only remembera picture.
23:37:38gizz_I've seen that in the logs :
23:37:51gizz_but the domain doesn't resolves
23:38:20[IDC]DragonSO you're tired of trying LCD commands? I thought it's only a few, thus feasible.
23:38:35midknight2k3the link dont work
23:38:38gizz_no no not tired
23:38:50gizz_I'm back with lcd-player.c :)
23:39:12gizz_I'm just tired it doesn't work ;)
23:39:16[IDC]Dragonlink is dead for me, too.
23:41:06[IDC]DragonThere's one command where I'm not shure about the POR value: for Set Bias Control, there's a star at one bit position.
23:41:26gizz_I see
23:41:36[IDC]DragonDunno what thas means, I've set it to 0 now.
23:41:47[IDC]Dragonthat means
23:42:25[IDC]Dragonand I've skipped the first, Return Home.
23:42:37[IDC]DragonIMHO, this is not a configuration.
23:43:11gizz_you know, this lcd controller is very similar to hitachi lcd controller,
23:43:34gizz_and I played a lot with those hitachi,
23:44:00gizz_and I think return home is the kind of commands that are not essential
23:44:09gizz_it's kind of "user" cmd
23:44:23[IDC]Dragona real command, not a setup.
23:44:26gizz_versus power save and the like..
23:44:50[IDC]Dragonlike the last 2: the address sets.
23:45:13gizz_BTW, did you know that was me who gave the link to this datasheet ?
23:45:36[IDC]Dragonno, I didn't.
23:45:44gizz_so I can confirm the fact that it is surely not the controller in the archos,
23:46:00gizz_I just lurked on the website of the constructor,
23:46:04[IDC]Dragonthen I woudn't have asked so stupidly if you have it
23:46:27gizz_and found this spec who ressembles the hitachi one, and handed it to the rockbox project
23:46:47gizz_well I told that for the simple reason that
23:47:14gizz_it's my fault if we deal with unsure document about player lcd :(
23:47:20gizz_u see ?
23:47:35[IDC]DragonIt has taken us quite far
23:48:47[IDC]Dragonso it's probably not too wrong
23:49:20[IDC]Dragonon the contrary, I'm glad you found it
23:49:52[IDC]Dragonand this init issue is in ideally qualified hands then
23:50:08gizz_oopz, oh no... :-)
23:50:38gizz_what I can tell you about my hitachi experiences,
23:50:53gizz_is that it was way easier to init it & use it
23:51:21gizz_this ssd seems to hav lots more commands, plus the complex power save feature
23:52:39[IDC]Dragonsomething different:
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23:53:02[IDC]DragonI guessed your blinking LED is a panic,
23:53:39gizz_did I tell you I could suppress it ?
23:53:49[IDC]Dragonyou could veryfy that if you change the wait loop value at the bottom of panic.c
23:54:02gizz_ah ?
23:54:04[IDC]Dragonno, you didn't
23:54:27gizz_I commented out every led() occurences in ata.c,
23:54:28[IDC]DragonI mean, cut the value in half and see if it flashes twice as fast
23:55:08gizz_this way, led is always off, and I can use it for our lcd init tests
23:56:25[IDC]Dragonbut the blinking is still there, right? ATA didn't blink it in a regular fashion.
23:56:56midknight2k3oh and plugh is an instigator
23:56:58 Quit midknight2k3 ("-=SysReset 2.53=-")
23:57:12gizz_huh ?
23:57:34gizz_dragon : I commented led() in ata.c, and blinking disappear
23:58:47[IDC]DragonHuh? How come ATA blinks in regular intervals? It's an activity indication.

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