#rockbox 2003-09-20

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#rockbox log for 2003-09-20

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00:23:06	BoD[]	hellow!
00:23:16	Plugh	hi
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00:39:33	diddystar5	Zagor: any plans for a patch cleaning day or 2.1 yet?
00:41:11	Zagor	we've been discussing a patch cleaning day, but no plans.
00:59:02		Join midknight2k3 [0] (LaLaLaLaLa@AC8C2F94.ipt.aol.com)
00:59:18	midknight2k3	hi zagor
01:00
01:00:26	Zagor	hi
01:00:50	Plugh	hey mid
01:00:50	Plugh	DING
01:01:10	midknight2k3	I was considering a main menu redesign, but wondered if it wouldn't mean anything if you decide to keep the current one?
01:01:14	midknight2k3	i hear no dings plugh
01:01:20	midknight2k3	let me turn on speakeres
01:01:35	midknight2k3	ok
01:01:39	midknight2k3	try now
01:01:40	Plugh	hey mid
01:01:42	Plugh	DING
01:01:52	midknight2k3	yep
01:02:05	midknight2k3	wanna see my 3d tree?
01:02:18	midknight2k3	http://uploadingmisc.tripod.com/tree.bmp
01:02:24	midknight2k3	it should work
01:03:06	Plugh	spiffy
01:03:23	midknight2k3	it is?
01:03:33	Plugh	no, I was just being polite
01:03:38	midknight2k3	lol
01:03:51	Plugh	actually it is pretty good
01:04:01	midknight2k3	i made a ultra neat dragonfly
01:04:02	Plugh	but I like messing with your mind
01:04:05	midknight2k3	let me upload it
01:04:15	midknight2k3	i call it a masterpiece
01:06:29	Plugh	I'm so friggin tired
01:06:50	Plugh	I made the mistake of eating some brownie crumbs before going to work this morning
01:07:02	midknight2k3	haha
01:07:10	midknight2k3	how was that a mistake?
01:07:24	Plugh	um, these weren't your average brownies
01:07:33	midknight2k3	oh?
01:07:49	Plugh	7 hours later and I'm still stoned
01:07:59	midknight2k3	oh boy
01:08:01	Plugh	off crumbs
01:08:03	diddystar5	hahah
01:08:14	MT	work must have been fun
01:08:22	Plugh	it's been interesting
01:08:28	Plugh	trying to keep my eyes open now
01:08:35	MT	okay
01:08:35	J00	don't eat shit that contains ground toad
01:08:43	diddystar5	i wish i knew how to write code in assembly
01:08:44	MT	ive been thinking about f2/f3
01:08:55	midknight2k3	and, mt?
01:08:58	MT	in fact, i may just email it to the list
01:09:05	Plugh	yeah, do that
01:09:08	MT	you're all on the list right?
01:09:10	Plugh	so mid can't see it
01:09:12	Plugh	HAHA!
01:09:14	midknight2k3	uh
01:09:17	*	Plugh grins evilly
01:09:18	midknight2k3	i can click mailing lists
01:09:27	midknight2k3	and then archives
01:09:34	midknight2k3	and then SCROLL DOWN
01:09:37	midknight2k3	FEEL THE l33tNESS
01:09:37	J00	I've just asked the list about mp2 :)
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01:11:03	Guest	h
01:11:14	Plugh	h
01:11:17	J00	h
01:11:19	midknight2k3	h
01:11:20	Plugh	i?
01:11:24	J00	i
01:11:24		Quit Guest (Client Quit)
01:11:27	Plugh	j!
01:11:30	J00	something we said? ;)
01:11:32	midknight2k3	JERK
01:11:34	midknight2k3	you made him leave
01:11:43	midknight2k3	probably a confused newbie
01:11:46	midknight2k3	and you blew it
01:11:48	midknight2k3	plugh
01:11:51	midknight2k3	always
01:11:56	Plugh	stfu mid
01:11:59	Plugh	DING
01:12:03	J00	we made him leave? we can't posses people
01:12:03	midknight2k3	why plugh?
01:12:10	midknight2k3	you scared him
01:12:14	midknight2k3	into leaving
01:12:20	*	Plugh menaces mid
01:12:24	J00	yeah, the word 'h' is so fucking scary ;)
01:13:03	midknight2k3	http://uploadingmisc.tripod.com/dragonfly.bmp
01:13:05	midknight2k3	there
01:13:31	J00	nice
01:13:39	Plugh	tree was better
01:13:48	midknight2k3	really?
01:13:51	Plugh	imo
01:13:52	J00	and you call us scary, the man with the dragflies
01:13:58	diddystar5	midknight2k3: jpg has smaller file sizes you know?
01:14:05	midknight2k3	and bmp has better quality
01:14:07	midknight2k3	AH!
01:14:10	J00	tiff it
01:14:17	midknight2k3	WHO CARES
01:14:22	diddystar5	not nessasarily
01:14:29	midknight2k3	IT EXPORTS IN BMP I DONT FEEL LIKE SWITCHING IT TO LOWER QUALITY
01:14:34	midknight2k3	ITS 640KB
01:14:41	J00	you're being scary
01:14:41	midknight2k3	if you cant download it forget it
01:14:45	midknight2k3	i know
01:14:49	*	Plugh tosses mid a capslock key
01:14:57	midknight2k3	gimme a new rockbox and an answer from zagor and i am on my way
01:15:02	midknight2k3	i have one plugh
01:15:06	midknight2k3	it's black
01:15:17	diddystar5	i have some jpeg pictures in better quality than that and their only 250 kb
01:15:24	midknight2k3	who cares
01:15:24	J00	what's going on with Neuros? are people working on that
01:15:25	Plugh	cool. I don't
01:15:27	Zagor	answer for what?
01:15:28	J00	just seen a msg in the list
01:15:33	midknight2k3	the main menu thing
01:15:34	Plugh	I pried off my capslock and threw it
01:15:44	Zagor	thing?
01:15:48	midknight2k3	would a redesign be worth anything or are you set on what you have now?
01:15:59	Zagor	ui-wise, you mean?
01:16:06	midknight2k3	well, yeah
01:16:20	midknight2k3	i mean, some things can be changed
01:16:30	midknight2k3	it's a little cluttered as of now, if i may say so
01:16:32	Zagor	a well thought-out redesign could be worth it. but it needs to be a major improvement.
01:16:45	scott666	i agree
01:16:46	Zagor	not just tweaks and fixes
01:16:52	midknight2k3	yeah
01:17:07	midknight2k3	it would take some work but it could be worth it
01:17:11	midknight2k3	i'll look into it
01:17:37	diddystar5	i think its fine atm
01:17:45	J00	anyone have their Archos handy ? ;)
01:17:47	midknight2k3	it could be improved
01:17:49	midknight2k3	i do
01:17:55	midknight2k3	i have the archos
01:17:57	midknight2k3	handy
01:18:00	midknight2k3	its very handy
01:18:02	diddystar5	so do i
01:18:16	J00	could you trying something for me?
01:18:21	J00	http://82.37.190.176/hd/ac3/
01:18:22	midknight2k3	shure
01:18:29	J00	I need to test one of those MP2's
01:18:40	midknight2k3	i doubt it will work
01:18:41	J00	(one is .ac3 Dolby Digital, ignore that)
01:18:46	J00	should do ;)
01:18:47	midknight2k3	archos plays mp3s
01:18:56	J00	no shit :)
01:19:05	midknight2k3	not mp2s
01:19:12	diddystar5	midknight2k3: wrong!
01:19:17	midknight2k3	?
01:19:17	diddystar5	i can play mp2
01:19:22	midknight2k3	it can?
01:19:25	midknight2k3	mp2?
01:19:29	J00	there was a patch for scanning for .mp* files
01:19:30	diddystar5	yep
01:19:34	midknight2k3	odd
01:20:10	J00	all mp3 decoders are capable of handling the lesser layers because they're less complex, but somethings the framing structure screws them up
01:20:56	Zagor	midknight2k3: look into the NEWKEYSv2 posting by bagder a few weeks back. that's the most detailed proposal we have at the moment.
01:21:23	midknight2k3	i did, but i meant the main menu and sub menus only
01:21:26	midknight2k3	not key remapping yet
01:21:46	J00	the frame for mp2 is 0.024s duration, way shorter than mp3 :/
01:22:21	J00	anyway, do try it :)
01:22:38	midknight2k3	diddy?
01:22:53	diddystar5	one minute
01:24:00	diddystar5	the smaller file works
01:24:15	midknight2k3	dont wanna try the bigger one
01:24:48	J00	smooth, does it sound ok, no skipping etc?
01:24:54	diddystar5	im to lazy to download 2 mb
01:25:05	midknight2k3	why, J00?
01:25:07	J00	it's Aladdin ;)
01:25:14	diddystar5	J00: works fine
01:25:30	J00	mid: mp2 is used on DAB digital radio and DVB digital TV in Europe
01:25:40	midknight2k3	i mean, why cant you try it yourself?
01:25:44	midknight2k3	no archos?
01:25:53	J00	yup :)
01:25:58	J00	I need one that plays mp2
01:26:21	diddystar5	well the archos is just fine for that!
01:26:28	J00	indeed, not many are
01:27:49	J00	anyone know if archos are coming out with new recorders?
01:28:06	midknight2k3	highly doubted
01:28:10	midknight2k3	would be neat
01:28:13	midknight2k3	but highly doubted
01:28:23	J00	not even a larger disk?
01:28:28	diddystar5	i wouldn't mind having one with the new 1.8 drives
01:28:41	MT	if i could get my hands on one of those neuros, it would be intersting
01:29:08	J00	I'll get one now, just wanted to check if they were going to revise them
01:29:13	midknight2k3	mt
01:29:17	MT	i wonder how far their open source mantra extends, whether they would give me technical information to port rockbox
01:29:18	J00	neuros doesn't play mp2
01:29:28	midknight2k3	did you post your idea thing
01:29:33	MT	thats :cool: i dont either
01:29:34	diddystar5	gotta go
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01:29:40	MT	im still typing it
01:29:43	J00	the have a proprietary DSP supplier, not sure how much is open
01:29:44	midknight2k3	psh
01:30:23	J00	if you ask about something DSP related they say it's dependent on their vendor and they can't change shit about
01:31:44	MT	they gave xiph information about their DSP
01:31:50	MT	so, are you sure?
01:32:01	midknight2k3	CLAM DOWN
01:33:04	MT	is that like black hawk down?
01:33:12	midknight2k3	i dunno
01:33:18	J00	"No, I don't see a long term plan to add this support from our DSP
01:33:18	J00	vendor. MP2 simply is not one of their targets.
01:33:19	J00	"
01:33:23	Zagor	MT: i've been talking on their forum since they announced it. so far all i've heard is plans for some sort of scripting sdk
01:33:31	J00	Michael Gao
01:34:14	Zagor	also the Texas Instruments DSP they are using has no open source tools. the basic toolset is $600 per user...
01:34:31	J00	"open" is a nice catch phrase
01:35:17	midknight2k3	zagor
01:35:23	J00	but some companies aren't that so ;)
01:35:24	midknight2k3	why did you choose the archos in the first place?
01:35:44	midknight2k3	just cause you had one and wanted to mess with it?
01:35:52	midknight2k3	or for a specific reason?
01:36:00	Zagor	i tried to buy the compaq pjb100 first, but couldn't get my hands on it in sweden
01:36:22	J00	blocky thing
01:36:26	Zagor	the archos was simply the first available model
01:37:06	midknight2k3	and you got that?
01:37:07	MT	a shame you cant have seen them solder first :/
01:37:15	Zagor	hehe
01:37:21	midknight2k3	and just decided to try to write a new firmware for it/
01:37:22	midknight2k3	?
01:37:27	J00	anyone want to try another sample? plz
01:37:30	J00	http://82.37.190.176/hd/ac3/
01:37:42	midknight2k3	how big?
01:37:42	J00	the 'BBC Radio 2.mp2' one
01:37:46	J00	518k
01:37:55	midknight2k3	i guess
01:38:00	J00	mid: just a bit smaller than your 640k BMP's ;)
01:38:10	midknight2k3	lol
01:38:34	J00	the first one was off DVB, this is from DAB
01:38:40	midknight2k3	ok wait
01:38:51	midknight2k3	bbc radio 2
01:38:53	MT	message->sent
01:38:59	J00	k
01:40:17	midknight2k3	i dont see it yet
01:40:30	J00	alt + refresh
01:40:38	J00	(or is it ctrl?)
01:40:46	midknight2k3	cctrl i think
01:40:51	midknight2k3	but just gotta wait a sec
01:41:22	J00	no worries
01:41:26	Plugh	shift
01:41:44	midknight2k3	CALM DOWN
01:41:53	J00	yeah, just press shift + ctrl + alt + f5
01:41:59	midknight2k3	yeah
01:42:02	midknight2k3	best of all worlds
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01:42:21	midknight2k3	still not
01:42:23	midknight2k3	hi bod
01:42:35	BoD[]	re
01:42:53	J00	mid: hrm, do it a couple of times
01:43:33	MT	oo
01:43:39	MT	forget the neuros
01:43:47	MT	its not a usb mass storage device
01:43:55	MT	thats just silly
01:44:08	midknight2k3	it is
01:44:09	midknight2k3	retard
01:44:13	J00	also the price of the device doesn't include the HD
01:44:14	midknight2k3	i dont see it yet
01:44:19	J00	so it adds up a bit
01:44:37	midknight2k3	FINALLY
01:44:38	midknight2k3	its there
01:44:39	MT	not according to an email i just for from plugh
01:44:49	midknight2k3	plugh?
01:44:53	midknight2k3	never trust that guy
01:44:58	J00	they probably blundle it
01:45:24	Plugh	I'm not to be trusted
01:45:30	midknight2k3	right
01:45:52	midknight2k3	yeah MT
01:45:54	midknight2k3	get on it
01:46:05	J00	does he have Saddam living in his cellar?
01:46:06	MT	you've got my email?
01:46:10	MT	i ahvent even got it yet!
01:46:14	midknight2k3	i got it
01:46:26	Plugh	I didn't say the nuros wasn't a USB mass storage device
01:46:48	Plugh	I just differentiated between a MSD and a db filesystem
01:46:54	J00	you also said that about Lord Lucan
01:47:07	MT	right
01:47:22	MT	but you also said the neuros was a db filesystem
01:47:32	MT	no
01:47:32	midknight2k3	boys! boys!
01:47:34	Plugh	no, I didn't say that
01:47:38	MT	you didnt, but someone else did
01:47:39	Plugh	:)
01:47:55	*	MT cancels downloads, reads neuros website
01:48:42	midknight2k3	hm
01:49:10	J00	mid: does it play?
01:49:17	midknight2k3	looking for it
01:49:23	midknight2k3	it seems to have disappeared
01:49:38	J00	ensure the file extension remains as .mp2, sometimes it gets renamed
01:49:44	midknight2k3	yeah
01:49:46	midknight2k3	crap
01:49:48	midknight2k3	let me look
01:50:08	J00	maybe it's hiding Plugh's cellar along with Saddam
01:50:13	midknight2k3	yeah
01:50:20	MT	hmm, i see
01:50:22	midknight2k3	i want a picture of plugh's cellar
01:50:44	MT	their idea of open source is just the parts that interact with your own computer
01:50:51	MT	the firmware seems quite closed source
01:50:55	Plugh	My house is raised above ground. No cellar
01:50:57	J00	http://www.bath.ac.uk/~su3ws/archive/cellar.jpg
01:51:08	J00	that's what you like people to think
01:51:22	midknight2k3	lol
01:51:23	Plugh	I wish my cellar looked like that j00
01:51:35	midknight2k3	hush little pluggy
01:51:43	J00	ahh, so you admit you have a cellar!
01:51:49	Plugh	I do have about 30 bottles of wine
01:51:53	J00	you mean it looks more like this - http://www.intowine.com/images/cellar.jpg
01:51:54	J00	?
01:51:55	Plugh	but they're all above ground
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01:52:04	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:52:21	J00	note the guy with the long beard
01:52:35	midknight2k3	lol
01:52:36	J00	anyway, where am I
01:52:40	midknight2k3	ok transferred
01:52:43	midknight2k3	now to test
01:53:23	midknight2k3	i love the way rockbox won't spin the disk down if i'm moving the cursor in the dir browser
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01:54:06	midknight2k3	it works great
01:54:16	MT	i still havent had my email
01:54:19	J00	come fly with me baby, that's smooth
01:54:29	J00	what a bitchin player
01:54:46	midknight2k3	no problems
01:55:01	J00	thanks for trying it out
01:55:04	midknight2k3	np
01:55:07	midknight2k3	sounds good
01:55:35	J00	DAB usually sounds horrible because it's 128k, digital satellite is nicer
01:55:50	midknight2k3	i meant it sounds as good as it ever will
01:56:00	J00	oh yeah, it doesn't sound bad
01:56:10	midknight2k3	you arent getting it
01:56:17	midknight2k3	i meant, it works without flaws
01:56:28	midknight2k3	straightforward as possible, right there
01:56:31	J00	;)
01:56:46	J00	I'm too quality concious
01:57:09	midknight2k3	you are indied
01:57:40	J00	I shall get an archos and sit listening to Orbital, and the world will be good
01:57:48	Plugh	and yur both gud spelurs
01:58:05	midknight2k3	plugh isnt a good speeler
01:58:26	Plugh	you're right. I suck... when asked nicely
01:58:27	J00	yes, my headmaster would whip my ass.. err arse, if he saw me now
01:59:01	midknight2k3	plugh hasn't whipped out any good verbal kung-fu lately
01:59:05	midknight2k3	he must be dead
01:59:07	BoD[]	what happened
01:59:13	Plugh	not dead. Just stoned
01:59:15	midknight2k3	or broken or something.
01:59:23	midknight2k3	PLUGH'S BUSTED
01:59:25	midknight2k3	ATTN
01:59:26	midknight2k3	PLUGH'S BUSTED
01:59:36	Plugh	busted?
01:59:42	midknight2k3	er
01:59:43	midknight2k3	yeah
01:59:44	Plugh	wtf you talking about?
01:59:51	midknight2k3	like a tv is then you tap it with a hammer
01:59:57	J00	anyway, you msut hvae seen that thing on /. about being able to raed things even if the wrods are out of oredr
02:00
02:00:04	midknight2k3	or like a stereo is if you throw it out the window
02:00:08	midknight2k3	busted
02:00:13	Plugh	I have a doctor prescription for THC
02:00:19	midknight2k3	thc?
02:00:30	Plugh	active ingredient in marijuana
02:00:40	midknight2k3	why?
02:01:04	J00	http://mdma.net/structure/mdma.jpg
02:01:09	Plugh	makes a good painkiller for chronic tendonitis, arthritis, and carpal tunnel syndrome
02:01:22	Plugh	that's a structure I know VERY well j00
02:01:31	midknight2k3	SSSSSSHHH
02:01:35	midknight2k3	the pluggs are coming
02:01:50	J00	note the active ingredient
02:02:16	J00	apparently it doesn't fuck you up these now
02:02:16	Plugh	carbon?
02:02:18	Plugh	:)
02:02:54	J00	they fucked up the experiments and gave the monkey's heroin
02:03:10	Plugh	I heard about that
02:03:12	midknight2k3	be back in a bit
02:03:13	J00	some died, they blamed the E
02:03:13	Plugh	but it was speed
02:03:16	Plugh	not heroin
02:03:17		Nick midknight2k3 is now known as midk-backin20 (LaLaLaLaLa@AC8C2F94.ipt.aol.com)
02:03:29	J00	ahh, monkeys on speed
02:03:32	Plugh	that was kinda fucked
02:03:33		Nick midk-backin20 is now known as midk-BackIn20 (LaLaLaLaLa@AC8C2F94.ipt.aol.com)
02:04:05	J00	http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1040327,00.html
02:04:22	Plugh	unfortunately, a lot of what gets passed off as E is really speed and acid
02:04:32	Plugh	cuz that's cheaper and has a similar effect
02:04:44	Plugh	but the E I get is usually pretty pure
02:04:58	J00	lol, shussuh
02:05:12	J00	quality control, tis important
02:05:25	Plugh	test kits > *
02:05:47	J00	:)
02:05:58	J00	I reakon E is just a conspiracy to sell more Evian
02:06:06	Plugh	but some morons throw a little MDMA in the mix to turn the test kits blue
02:06:09	J00	look at the name, it's a give away
02:06:22	Plugh	trying to fool them. And it works
02:06:23	J00	damn
02:06:24	Plugh	fuckers
02:06:36	J00	that could really fuck people up
02:06:55	Plugh	well, not really actually
02:07:11	J00	weird shit can really affect some people
02:07:13	Plugh	but it's not the trip they were paying for
02:08:04	Plugh	someone pays $20 for a pill with about $3 worth of stuff in it and gets an edgy weird trip
02:08:06	Plugh	that's just wrong
02:09:13	J00	yeah, it gives it all a bad tone
02:09:44	*	J00 is listen to some cool mixes from Troms�
02:10:34	Plugh	I went to a nice electronic music campout last weekend
02:10:46	Plugh	it was all ambient/downtempo
02:10:53	Plugh	350 ppl
02:10:57	J00	the mid-night sun really fucks with their mind in that place
02:11:13	J00	ahh, sounds like the Big Chill
02:11:21	Plugh	Chillits actually
02:11:37	Plugh	in Mendocino County
02:11:52	J00	Big Chill is held in the grounds of Eastnor Castle, very smooth
02:12:01	Plugh	sounds nice
02:12:06	J00	there's a winter chill coming up ;)
02:12:24	J00	like burning man with grass
02:12:28	Plugh	this is held in an organic terraced garden in the mountains
02:12:40	J00	heh, smooth
02:12:54	Plugh	we also do a dance party there every year
02:13:05	Plugh	techno, breaks, d&b...
02:13:24	Plugh	some electro, hardcore, live PA
02:13:41	*	J00 digs out some High Contrast
02:14:24	J00	in Troms� the mid night sun drove all the youths mad, so they rioted, lol
02:14:41	Plugh	http://www.cloudfactory.org/music/
02:14:50	Plugh	check that for chillits sets
02:15:02	J00	so they decided to build them some studios and a radio station, and now there's some really smooth music from there
02:16:08	J00	Tiesto and Royksopp came from there apparently
02:16:45	J00	lol, smooth photos
02:16:47	J00	http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A1138411
02:17:57	J00	http://www.bpm.ai/gallery/albun40/aad
02:18:06	J00	thought that was northern lights ^
02:18:21	J00	just canabis
02:19:57	Plugh	heh. I know bpm.ai :)
02:20:58	Plugh	oh. kickass
02:21:03	Plugh	that's Sameer's gallery
02:21:06	Plugh	do you know him?
02:22:04	J00	nah :/
02:22:09	J00	D&B show is on :)
02:22:32	J00	http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/urban/fabandgroove/
02:22:42	Plugh	well, that pic was from Chillits 2000. The space I was just telling you about
02:22:58	J00	what are the batteries like in the archos, how long do they last?
02:23:08	Plugh	NiMH batteries
02:23:13	J00	yeah, saw it was a while back
02:23:28	Plugh	depends on a few variables, but generally get about 8-10 hours on a charge
02:23:31	J00	I have NiMH AA's about
02:23:36	J00	that's pretty damn good
02:23:47	Plugh	I have an FMR
02:24:00	Plugh	it has built-in 2200mah batteries
02:24:14	Plugh	but they're non-removeable and non-replaceable
02:24:53	J00	NiMH's are usually about 1300 each
02:25:04	Plugh	you can get 2200s easily enough
02:25:15	Plugh	I think the ones that come with it are 1800
02:25:26	J00	woah
02:25:33	Plugh	they're good for about 6 hours
02:25:45	Plugh	this is in the jukeboxes
02:25:48	J00	some come with li-ion usually used in celluar phones
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02:26:05	J00	I was looking at a Neo Jubebox for a while
02:26:18	BoD[]	,oodPPY8oo._ _,oo8PPP8ooo._
02:26:18	BoD[]	,dPP'' '"YP8oooo8PP"'' '`"PPP8oop
02:26:56	Plugh	damn bod
02:26:59	J00	it's like 4 hr life
02:27:04	Plugh	ain't you got nothing better to do?
02:27:06	BoD[]	what
02:27:07	BoD[]	:)))
02:27:14	BoD[]	actually
02:27:22	BoD[]	not really
02:28:11	J00	2200mAH, $5 each
02:28:15	J00	not bad
02:28:21	J00	how long do those go for?
02:28:33	Plugh	should get 10 hours out of em
02:28:42	Plugh	maybe 8
02:28:51	J00	woah
02:28:52	Plugh	really depends on your music collection
02:29:15	Plugh	if you do low-bitrate stuff, like audio books, you can get 12 easily
02:29:34	J00	probably 192k stuff
02:29:40	Plugh	ah
02:29:43	J00	I have some books about like that though
02:29:48	Plugh	perhaps 8 or 9
02:30:09	J00	bound to stick some radio drama on mine
02:30:47	Plugh	that's low-bitrate and long tracks
02:31:01	Plugh	you can get some good play time out of those
02:31:27	Plugh	another trick using the rockbox is to open a static screen like the f2 or f3 menu
02:31:47	Plugh	if your box isn't doing screen updates, it can stay running for much longer
02:31:48	J00	what does that do, stop the scrolling?
02:32:06	Plugh	it just puts up a menu
02:32:15	Plugh	that has no screen updates at all
02:32:31	J00	cuts down on the cpu cycles
02:32:37	Plugh	exactly
02:33:26	J00	as for the drama, I have a 2hr 40m version of Parade's End at 192kbps
02:33:37	J00	loads of stuff like that :/
02:35:03	J00	radio has some cool stuff
02:35:17	Plugh	look into the FMR then
02:35:19	J00	it's like the polar opposite of 24/7 MTV at times
02:35:29	Plugh	it does FM recording
02:36:04	Plugh	mine was US$279
02:36:05	J00	heh, I spit on FM, the raw mp2's from DAB or DVB are the way to go ;)
02:36:21	Plugh	suit yourself :)
02:36:28	J00	but I'm getting the recorder anyway for usb2
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02:36:49	Plugh	if you don't need FM, don't buy the FMR
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02:37:07	J00	hrm, the others are usb1 though?
02:37:07	Plugh	the non-replaceable battery is NOT a good thing
02:37:12	J00	bugger
02:37:17	Plugh	no. All the recorders are 2.0
02:37:18	J00	didn't know that
02:37:49	Plugh	well, look on the packaging for the 2.0 sticker
02:38:16	J00	http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500279_specs.html ?
02:38:47	Plugh	that's what you're looking for
02:38:58	J00	what's the $279 one?
02:39:12	Plugh	has FM playing and recording
02:39:27	Plugh	and the internal non-changeable battery
02:39:29	J00	only see the ONDIO
02:39:34	Zagor	bed time. buy guys!
02:39:38	J00	cya
02:39:39	Plugh	oh. FM Recorder
02:39:40	Zagor	bye even :-)
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02:40:27	Plugh	http://www.archos.com/products/fam_mp3_music.html?sid=j22o2fj2b2joc3sb3ojkfy
02:40:32	Plugh	it's listed on there
02:40:48	J00	yeah, the one I mentioned above is $289
02:40:52	Plugh	but they don't seem to show details
02:41:01	Plugh	I got mine at a discount dealer
02:41:06	J00	it's just that the Euro price is fucking loaded to E399
02:41:24	J00	E1 ~= $1
02:41:37	Plugh	hehe
02:42:32	J00	found one for $325
02:42:53	J00	not too bad
02:43:17	J00	ahh, it's $277 us
02:43:28	J00	so that's about in line
02:43:37	Plugh	JB Studio 20?
02:43:40	J00	BUT the $325 is including 17.5% tax
02:43:44	J00	http://www.savastore.com/products/product.asp?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10268428&pid=45&tid=3
02:43:53	*	J00 fucking tax
02:44:12	Plugh	that's what you're looking for
02:45:10	J00	yeah, �210
02:45:38	Plugh	if my FMR dies, I'll probably get one of those
02:45:43	J00	I can manage that... after doing over a couple of banks ;)
02:46:02	Plugh	the only bad thing about Archos is their piss-poor quality control
02:46:09	J00	http://uk.pixmania.com/dev/gui_web/shopping/?fuseaction=voir_fiche_article&article=20499&langue=uk&dealtime=1
02:46:12	J00	what's that ^
02:46:19	Plugh	they tend to break
02:46:23	J00	ekk
02:46:32	Plugh	buttons snap off and fall in, hard drives die...
02:46:42	J00	lol, ouch
02:46:49	J00	oh well, touch wood
02:46:53	Plugh	the FMR batteries tend to swell and crack the screen
02:47:04	Plugh	they have a comprehensive 1yr warranty
02:47:16	J00	lol... heh, that's the exploding batteries I saw in passing
02:47:26	Plugh	that's it
02:47:33	J00	this Stuido 20 thing has 2 yr warrenty
02:47:44	J00	.. I think
02:48:07	Plugh	the previous link said 1
02:48:13	Plugh	and mine has a 1 yr
02:48:15	J00	what's the diff between the "ARCHOS Jukebox Recorder 20" and "Archos Jukebox Studio 20 MP3 Player"
02:48:36	Plugh	recorder has line in and a microphone
02:48:55	J00	and the "studio"?
02:49:01	Plugh	and a lot of the players don't have USB 2.0
02:49:22	J00	"Lithium battery (pre installed) "
02:49:23	J00	hrm
02:49:55	J00	I think the "Jukebox Recorder 20" is the job
02:50:04	Plugh	I think so too
02:50:13	Plugh	like I said, it's what I'd get next time
02:50:21	Plugh	not that I don't adore my FMR
02:50:39	Plugh	I love it. But I'm afraid of my batteries exploding
02:50:40	J00	and it's exploding batteries? :)
02:50:43	J00	lol
02:50:47	J00	beat me to it
02:50:49	Plugh	hasn't happened yet
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02:51:00	Plugh	knock HARD on wood
02:51:02	J00	the anticipation
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02:51:35	J00	the AV things look mad
02:51:49	J00	but I wouldn't trust myself with �500 worth of kit
02:51:56	J00	I'd leave it on the train
02:53:22	J00	hrm, lol, my new Archos will have more capacity than my notebook
02:53:45	Plugh	mine has the same
02:53:49	Plugh	as my laptop
02:53:53	J00	how do you fill that
02:53:59	Plugh	my desktops have 60 and 120gig
02:54:04	Plugh	easily
02:54:07	Plugh	heh
02:54:10	J00	I said the same about the 210meg drive in my 486
02:54:19	J00	yeah, easier than you think
02:54:21	Plugh	I want to get a 60gig drive in mine
02:54:34	J00	'20gig ought to be enough for everybody'
02:54:38	Plugh	nope
02:54:44	Plugh	not even hardly
02:54:55	Plugh	I knew when I got it that it'd be full in 2 days
02:55:03	J00	640k memory was enough for everybody.. err
02:55:43	J00	I have 11 hours of War & Peace at 192k, that would help do the job
02:56:35	Plugh	192k audio book is crack smoking
02:56:45	J00	damn, the Recorder 20gig goes for $250 in the US
02:56:50	J00	it's drama, I think
02:57:02	Plugh	you can't tell the difference between 192k stereo and 64k mono with audio books
02:57:20	J00	high quality stereo is great for drama, Swedish Radio sent out their stuff on satellite at 640kbps Dolby Digital 5.1
02:57:27	J00	and 1.5Mbps DTS
02:57:57	J00	in germany they only have 448kbps DD5.1 ;)
02:58:03	Plugh	human voice only is pretty low bandwidth
02:58:17	J00	sounds amazing on a surround set up
02:58:25	Plugh	you don't need a lot of bitrate
02:58:25	J00	for narration yes
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02:58:53	J00	but drama has all sorts of affects, they have to convey stuff like a film soundtrack without the benefit of picutres
02:59:10	Plugh	well, I'm gonna leave work now
02:59:16	J00	lol, ok ;)
02:59:19	Plugh	I'll be back here on Monday
02:59:28	J00	sure, I might have my player by then
02:59:28	Plugh	or I might drop in
02:59:35	J00	thanks for all your help
02:59:50	Plugh	not a prob at all
02:59:53	Plugh	&
03:00
03:00:10	J00	ok, have a good time at work ;)
03:00:14	J00	take care
03:03:05	J00	night all!
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03:49:49	Guest	New to rockbox, need help
03:50:10	Guest	hello
03:51:36	MT	hi
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03:52:30	Guest	I just downloaded rockbox to my Juke box record 10, but it doesn't play
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03:53:04	Guest	when I press Play on an item it just displays to play icon, but no sound and nothing else
03:54:48	Guest	hello???
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03:56:52	Guest	can anyone see me?
03:56:58	BoD[]	i see you
03:57:03	BoD[]	but i'm sorry i can't help
03:57:25	Guest	Can someone help me on the JBR10?
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04:00
04:04:32		Quit BoD[] ("TCL 4EVA")
04:04:59	Guest	What is the purpose of the channel? Meditating?
04:05:09	midknight2k3	well
04:05:17	midknight2k3	sticking around if someone has a question or just chatting
04:05:27	midknight2k3	or in case someone interrupts the silence like you
04:06:07	Guest	I had a question, but why no one is answering me? Buddha?
04:06:17	midknight2k3	what is it?
04:06:21	midknight2k3	i wasn't here
04:06:27	midknight2k3	plugh prolly pushed you around
04:06:32	*	midknight2k3 harasses Plugh
04:06:57	Guest	I just download rockbox to my jbr10, hit play and got almost a blank screen, and no sound
04:07:16	midknight2k3	hm
04:07:23	midknight2k3	using what version?
04:07:41	Guest	Then I fumbled on the create playlist, then I can play? Why? Latest version
04:07:59	midknight2k3	huh
04:08:01	midknight2k3	ok
04:08:09	midknight2k3	latest meaning daily build or 2.0?
04:08:38	Guest	The original firmware let user plays right away. no need to vreate any playlist
04:08:46	Guest	Version 2.0, right on the web site
04:08:51	midknight2k3	you dont need to create a playlis
04:08:56	midknight2k3	ok
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04:08:59	midknight2k3	got it for a recorder?
04:09:25	midknight2k3	reboot it and what exactly happens?
04:09:28	Guest	why does it matter for recording or not?
04:09:48	midknight2k3	what are you TALKING about
04:09:54	midknight2k3	you need the version for the recorder
04:10:01	midknight2k3	not the player or fm recorder version
04:10:03	midknight2k3	it does matter
04:10:15	midknight2k3	recorders get plugins, games, demos, and fonts
04:10:17	midknight2k3	to start
04:10:31	Guest	Mon the website: it says rockbox-2.0-recorder.zip os for the recorder
04:10:39	midknight2k3	sure
04:10:44	midknight2k3	reboot
04:10:47	midknight2k3	what happens
04:11:26	Guest	it plays now, but why do I have to create a playlist before I can Play? The oiginal firmware on Archos let me play right away
04:11:33	midknight2k3	you don't!
04:11:45	midknight2k3	if you tell me what happens, i might be able to help
04:12:04	midknight2k3	if you keep talking of why does it matter for recorder and creating playlists, i can't.
04:12:51	Guest	OK, sir, here my travail: after I unzipped the os to my JBR10, I got the OS running with the full menu
04:13:08	midknight2k3	full menu?
04:13:43	Guest	Then when I selected the playlist and hit paly ( the middle button) it display the play icon( right arrow) but no title and no sound
04:13:57	midknight2k3	is your jukebox empty?
04:14:30	midknight2k3	or does it have folders and files
04:14:37	Guest	I have been playing with the original firmware for days, so my jukebook is brimming with juice, it is not empty
04:14:46	midknight2k3	neat
04:14:53	midknight2k3	so rockbox says its empty?
04:15:37	Guest	it displays the folders, and files but when i hit play it doesn't display anything and no sound
04:15:47	midknight2k3	give it a second
04:15:52	midknight2k3	the hard drive needs to spin up
04:16:02	midknight2k3	does it have full battery?
04:16:34	hardeep	Guest: i'm assuming you're pressing PLAY on an mp3?
04:16:45	hardeep	Guest: are you sure the mp3 is valid?
04:16:50	midknight2k3	hardeep can take over
04:16:57	Guest	it is playing now, only sfter I force it to create the playlist
04:17:30	Guest	which I didn't have to do with the original firmware
04:17:31	hardeep	Guest: after creating the playlist, did you PLAY that?
04:18:06	hardeep	Guest: you don't need to create a playlist to play tracks... if you do, there's a bug in the rockbox firmware that needs to be fixed
04:18:11	Guest	hardeep: after create the playlist, it does play
04:18:36	hardeep	Guest: what file did you select to play after you created the playlist?
04:18:42	hardeep	Guest: the playlist file or the mp3 file?
04:18:57	Guest	the mp3 file
04:19:14	hardeep	Guest: so, before creating the playlist, selecting play on the mp3 file failed?
04:19:25	hardeep	Guest: but after you created it, everything starting working correctly?
04:19:43	hardeep	Guest: BTW, I'm assuming you created the playlist from Menu->Create Playlist?
04:19:49	midknight2k3	er
04:19:52	Guest	yes indeed, failed first then play when I hit the Create playlist
04:19:58	midknight2k3	that's Menu->Playlist Options -> Creat Playlist
04:20:07	Guest	hardeep you are right on
04:20:10	midknight2k3	oh
04:20:10	hardeep	midknight2k3: not in 2.0
04:20:13	midknight2k3	unless you use 2.0
04:20:14	midknight2k3	yeah
04:20:48	hardeep	Guest: i haven't heard of that bug before... were you trying to play the same mp3 both before and after?
04:21:43	Guest	Hardeep: it seems it didn't see the tracks before the playlist is created
04:22:25	hardeep	Guest: a playlist is not necessary to play the tracks
04:22:50	midknight2k3	is there a reson to address every message? we know you're not taling to me ;)
04:23:01	Guest	then why when I selected the track and hit play it doesn't play?
04:23:11	hardeep	Guest: did you see any activity on the red LED when you first tried to play?
04:23:23	hardeep	midknight2k3: many IRC clients highlight messages if addressed to you
04:23:32	hardeep	midknight2k3: mine does for instance... easier to track
04:23:46	midknight2k3	i suppose
04:23:46	Guest	the red led did come on briefly
04:23:54	midknight2k3	but still
04:24:02	midknight2k3	i like the exit lines for bitchx
04:24:04	hardeep	Guest: and this was the first time you ever played something on rockbox?
04:24:30	Guest	yes indeed the very first time
04:24:46	Guest	a rockbox virgin :)
04:24:56	hardeep	Guest: okay, my guess is that it was just taking a long time to create a temporary file it needs to start playing tracks
04:25:19	hardeep	Guest: it was probably scanning the hard drive trying to find a free cluster
04:25:25	midknight2k3	.playlist_control and .queue_file i think
04:25:33	hardeep	.queue_file for 2.0
04:25:41	Guest	ok let me start an experiment: let remove the battery and reinsect to see what happens
04:25:52	midknight2k3	that wont delete teh file
04:25:56	hardeep	Guest: sure, and you can go ahead and delete the playlist file
04:26:13	hardeep	Guest: and /.rockbox/.queue_file
04:26:32	hardeep	Guest: how full is your hard drive?
04:26:33	Guest	if i deleted it what happens?
04:26:49	Guest	5Gb full
04:27:11	hardeep	Guest: nothing, the playlist file is not necessary to play tracks and the .queue_file will be recreated (it gets created every time you begin playing a track/playlist)
04:27:23	hardeep	Guest: what's the total size of your jukebox?
04:27:27	hardeep	hard drive that is
04:27:44	midknight2k3	10gb
04:27:46	Guest	Hitachi 10Gb it says
04:27:54	midknight2k3	jbr10
04:28:19	hardeep	Guest: well, give it a try again and see what happens
04:28:47	Guest	how do i delete within rockbox?
04:29:10	midknight2k3	F2-show files (press down to select "all")
04:29:19	midknight2k3	then f2 again
04:29:25	midknight2k3	it will display .rockbox
04:31:11	Guest	like a virgin I don't know what you are talking about
04:31:24	Guest	f2? where, what button?
04:31:34	midknight2k3	press the middle button under the screen
04:31:40	midknight2k3	F1, F2 and F3 respectively
04:32:01	Guest	it shaw shuffle repeat and show files
04:32:04	MT	(i am just about to start work on my patch)
04:32:09	midknight2k3	on what patch mt
04:32:12	midknight2k3	ok
04:32:16	midknight2k3	guest
04:32:31	midknight2k3	press the show files arrow (it's down i think" to select "all"
04:32:40	MT	having spent 3 and a half hours getting xdmcp to work so i can actually use the sim
04:33:11	midknight2k3	lol
04:33:17	midknight2k3	so you can test progress?
04:33:54	Guest	it toggles back to the menu
04:34:13	midknight2k3	on the lcd
04:34:19	midknight2k3	there is a right, down and left arrow right
04:34:22	midknight2k3	when you press f2
04:36:22	Guest	ok how do i delete it
04:36:33	midknight2k3	set the all files view?
04:36:59	midknight2k3	go into .rockbox and look for ".queue_file"
04:37:12	Guest	i see it, how can i delete it
04:37:19	midknight2k3	highlight it
04:37:27	midknight2k3	or, in your case, "point" to it
04:37:33	midknight2k3	hold ON and press PLAY
04:37:37	midknight2k3	and press DELETE
04:37:45	midknight2k3	on screen option'
04:40:29	hardeep	gotta go
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04:55:06	midknight2k3	plugh
04:55:20	scott666	some guy did a bad flash
04:55:31	midknight2k3	oh?
04:55:36	scott666	yeah
04:55:48	midknight2k3	what happened
04:55:50	scott666	he wants to pay someone do mod and fix his recorder
04:55:54	scott666	didnt say
04:56:12	midknight2k3	this stoopid menu crap
04:56:16	midknight2k3	wont go together
04:56:28	scott666	i was gonna ask but i figure j�rg would be more interested and do a better job of asking anyway
04:56:49	midknight2k3	ask what
04:56:51	midknight2k3	how it happened
04:57:25	midknight2k3	looks like a kind poor little guy
04:58:47	midknight2k3	re you "scott" on the mailinglists?
04:58:59	midknight2k3	or not
04:59:29	midknight2k3	> > are using rockbox 2.0 or earlier. You really do not want to use the
04:59:29	midknight2k3	> > Archos firmware. =)
04:59:29	midknight2k3	>
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04:59:29	midknight2k3	> but even if you did, all you have to do is delete the rockbox .ajz, the
04:59:29	midknight2k3	archos firmware is stored
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04:59:29	midknight2k3	> on the flash rom (but that can be fixed).
04:59:31	midknight2k3	>
04:59:33	midknight2k3	> -scott
04:59:41	midknight2k3	i like the "but that can be fixed" part
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05:21:18	scott666	having problems elinenbe
05:21:24	scott666	*?
05:21:30	midknight2k3	lol
05:21:31	midknight2k3	scott
05:21:33	midknight2k3	do something funny
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05:22:16	midknight2k3	good enough
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05:28:42	midknight2k3	PLUG
05:28:45	midknight2k3	and scot
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12:51:29	uski	oops, it's me :)
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14:12:03	uski	it's 12mhz in a player but i need the freq of a recorder
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14:30:31	knobby	anyone know how the languages are kept up? I mean if I add a patch into rockbox that requires a new line in a language file, what do the files without that line do? Is there a utility to check the language files and determine unused or missing translations?
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17:00:10	midknight2k3	yawn
17:03:22	uski	hi
17:03:28	midknight2k3	hi
17:03:29	midknight2k3	morning
17:05:52	uski	it's 17:07 here ;P
17:06:02	uski	where are you from ?
17:06:13	midknight2k3	in seattle,wa right now
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17:12:36	midknight2k3	hi diddy
17:16:01	uski	ok midknight2k3 :)
17:16:05	uski	hi diddystar5
17:16:11	diddystar5	hi
17:16:13	midknight2k3	hello uski
17:16:35	uski	wow midknight2k3, it's early in the us
17:16:42	midknight2k3	8:16
17:16:47	uski	at 8 o'clock this morning i was sleeping
17:16:53	midknight2k3	i'm used to it
17:17:04	midknight2k3	i get up at 6-6:20 fro school anyways
17:17:09	diddystar5	so am i
17:17:20	midknight2k3	i tried to stay up past 10:30 pm last night but i fell asleep
17:17:21	diddystar5	i have to get up at 730 to get ready for schoool
17:17:35	diddystar5	heh i stayed up till 1130
17:17:38	midknight2k3	over summer i could have stayed up till 5 or so
17:17:44	midknight2k3	i couldnt
17:17:47	midknight2k3	i wanted to
17:17:50	midknight2k3	but i couldnt
17:17:52	midknight2k3	i was wiped
17:17:55	midknight2k3	from waking up
17:18:32	uski	heh
17:18:40	uski	each morning i get up at 06:25 for school
17:18:44	diddystar5	my school dosen't start until 9:00am!
17:18:54	uski	wow
17:18:56	diddystar5	and gets out at 3:30
17:18:59	uski	here it starts at 08:00
17:19:04	uski	and i end at 18:00 !!!
17:19:05	midknight2k3	here at 7:45
17:19:08	midknight2k3	i win!
17:19:12	uski	yea lol
17:23:18	diddystar5	no i win! i don't have to go until 9
17:23:29	midknight2k3	i have to go earliest
17:23:36	midknight2k3	uski is dumb because he goes in the middle
17:23:42	midknight2k3	but cool because he goes almost my time
17:23:43	midknight2k3	:)
17:23:48	diddystar5	so i have to go the lastest
17:23:51	uski	yea but i stop a lot later than you
17:23:54	uski	18:00...
17:24:01	midknight2k3	lets see
17:24:04	midknight2k3	that's..
17:24:10	midknight2k3	6:00 in real time?
17:24:12	diddystar5	4
17:24:13	midknight2k3	pah
17:24:18	midknight2k3	how do you live
17:24:30	midknight2k3	its 6
17:24:30	midknight2k3	12:00 + 6:00
17:24:30	midknight2k3	is 18:00
17:24:44	diddystar5	hehe whatever
17:25:03	midknight2k3	lol
17:25:08	midknight2k3	simple math
17:25:18	midknight2k3	i suppose you've learned what math is?
17:25:25	midknight2k3	like 1+1=2
17:26:13	diddystar5	im in algebra 2 and i was in pre algebra last year kinda weird
17:27:16	diddystar5	midknight2k3: what grade are you in?
17:27:38	midknight2k3	eighth
17:27:45	midknight2k3	it's ninth grade math either way
17:27:59	diddystar5	im in 8th also
17:28:14	midknight2k3	seriously?
17:28:16	midknight2k3	naw
17:28:43	diddystar5	hell yes
17:29:00	midknight2k3	at least now i know i'm not the youngest one here
17:29:02	midknight2k3	or
17:29:04	uski	8th ? what is it ? how old are you ?
17:29:10	midknight2k3	actually
17:29:11	midknight2k3	i may be
17:29:14	midknight2k3	13
17:29:20	diddystar5	im 13 also
17:29:33	midknight2k3	no way
17:29:38	midknight2k3	youre such a joker
17:29:49	diddystar5	no i ain't
17:30:01	uski	13 ? you're too young to be here
17:30:01	midknight2k3	that's pretty interesting
17:30:02	uski	go away !
17:30:16	midknight2k3	there's an age restriction?
17:30:16	uski	haven't you seen the warning ? "only adults here"
17:30:18	diddystar5	march you?
17:30:23	uski	;)
17:30:25	midknight2k3	may
17:30:28	midknight2k3	2 months older
17:30:30	midknight2k3	i knew it
17:30:47	diddystar5	haha i win im older
17:31:22	midknight2k3	yeah
17:32:19	diddystar5	uski: are you german?
17:32:27	uski	diddystar5: im french
17:33:12	diddystar5	uski: ok
17:33:18	uski	lol
17:33:27	uski	"im french" [big silence] "ok"
17:33:39	diddystar5	hehe
17:34:34	diddystar5	i was curious since you didn't know what 8th meant
17:34:40	uski	:)
17:34:49	midknight2k3	oh lol
17:34:52	diddystar5	in the us are schools are in grades
17:34:58	diddystar5	like 8th grade...
17:34:59	midknight2k3	yeah...
17:35:02	uski	yea, same in franc;, but the numbers are different
17:35:04	midknight2k3	1-12..
17:35:25	midknight2k3	how many in france?
17:35:28	uski	if you are 13, you'd be in "4eme"
17:35:36	midknight2k3	i mean, how many in franc;?
17:35:42	midknight2k3	4eme?
17:35:55	uski	well it is this: CP, CE1, CE2, CM1, CM2, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, "terminal"
17:36:06	uski	then you pass "the" big exam, the BAC
17:36:21	uski	then after this you can go to university, and so on
17:36:39	midknight2k3	compilcated
17:36:57	diddystar5	yep
17:37:16	uski	nah it's quite simple
17:37:20	uski	if you speak french
17:37:25	diddystar5	we go 1st to 12th then you go to university
17:37:27	uski	CP = Preparatory Class
17:37:33	uski	CE1 = Elementary Class 1
17:37:37	uski	CE2 = Elementary Class 2
17:37:44	uski	CM1 = Medium Class 1
17:37:48	uski	CM2 = Medium Class 2
17:37:53	uski	after this, 6 5 4 3 2 1
17:38:01	uski	then the last class, the "terminale" as we say
17:38:41	midknight2k3	yeh
17:38:42	midknight2k3	still
17:38:53	uski	i was thinking of using the archos to store my notes, so i can pass all exams mwehehee
17:39:03	uski	you put it in txt files then you read it
17:39:04	midknight2k3	harder than, "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12"
17:39:08	uski	yea
17:39:12	midknight2k3	heh
17:39:26	midknight2k3	dont rely on the calendar
17:39:37	midknight2k3	it loses your notes every time
17:39:42	midknight2k3	so unreliable
17:40:04	uski	heh
17:40:09	diddystar5	midknight2k3: it's been fixed
17:40:31	midknight2k3	good
17:40:33	midknight2k3	dumb thing
17:41:15	midknight2k3	only one patch, diddy?
17:41:17	diddystar5	gotta go
17:41:32	midknight2k3	bye
17:41:33	diddystar5	huh?
17:41:36	midknight2k3	nothing
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18:09:25	uski	anyone here ?
18:09:32	midknight2k3	i am
18:09:46	uski	any idea of the way to add something into the wishlist of rockbox ?
18:09:56	midknight2k3	feature requests?
18:10:03	uski	yea
18:10:09	midknight2k3	rockbox.haxx.se, click on feature requests on sidebar, scroll to bottom
18:10:13	midknight2k3	what is the request?
18:10:38	uski	i think it would be interesting to have a "database mode"
18:10:49	midknight2k3	Id3 database?
18:10:55	uski	i.e. when you start the player, it goes through the hard drive and it makes a database of each song it finds
18:11:04	uski	so when you want to sleect az song it does not have to spinup the disk
18:11:07	midknight2k3	Id3 wise?
18:11:19	uski	yea or simply with the filename
18:11:22	midknight2k3	oh, that would take a lot of buffer
18:11:28	uski	not sure
18:11:36	uski	how many song can be stored on a 20gb drive ?
18:11:42	uski	5000 ?
18:11:45	midknight2k3	5000 presumable
18:11:50	midknight2k3	at 128kbps
18:12:00	uski	ok; artist+song = say 25 chars average
18:12:16	uski	25*5000=125000
18:12:26	uski	125000*8/1024=976kbits
18:12:36	midknight2k3	976kbits?
18:12:37	uski	hmmm half the RAM of unmodified player
18:12:39	midknight2k3	kilobytes?
18:12:43	midknight2k3	lol
18:12:44	uski	no, kBITS
18:12:53	midknight2k3	i bet it's kbits in france
18:12:55	uski	BUt you can compress it
18:12:58	midknight2k3	here it's kilobytes
18:12:59	uski	no no
18:13:00	midknight2k3	sure
18:13:03	uski	noooo
18:13:04	uski	grrr
18:13:08	uski	8 bits = 1 byte
18:13:14	midknight2k3	ok wahtever
18:13:15	midknight2k3	either way
18:13:20	midknight2k3	it won't happen i am sure
18:13:22	midknight2k3	you can do a patch for it
18:13:31	DBUG	Enqueued KICK uski
18:13:31	uski	look the 125000*8/1024
18:14:35	uski	yea but if i want to ask it is because i am not able to do such a patch
18:14:36	uski	(yet)
18:14:44	midknight2k3	ok
18:14:46	uski	but youre right, it would use too much ram
18:14:49	midknight2k3	it might be fun
18:15:04	midknight2k3	until it messeds up
18:15:07	midknight2k3	stoopid thing
18:15:18	midknight2k3	"recording_screen" first use in this function
18:15:20	midknight2k3	bla bla
18:15:23	midknight2k3	dumb thing
18:15:26	midknight2k3	JUST DO IT!
18:15:28	midknight2k3	sheesh'
18:20:03	uski	lol
18:21:36	midknight2k3	seriously
18:23:18	midknight2k3	argh
18:23:26	midknight2k3	i was doing a main menu redesign
18:23:34	uski	heh
18:23:37	uski	why ? :)
18:23:43	midknight2k3	sure, "recording_screen" works in main menu, but no way in settings_menu!
18:23:59	midknight2k3	HEAVEN FORBID IT FROM WORKING IN SETTINGS MENU
18:24:11	midknight2k3	even if the ifdef exists
18:24:15	midknight2k3	i need hardeep
18:25:22	midknight2k3	well
18:25:26	midknight2k3	its a bit cluttered
18:25:58	midknight2k3	just one thing i was going to do was move "recording settings" into "general settings->recording"
18:26:15	midknight2k3	but the DUMB THING is BUSTED or SOMETHING
18:26:34	midknight2k3	MT?
18:31:35	midknight2k3	haha
18:31:39	midknight2k3	what a stupid
18:31:47	midknight2k3	And there was a guy who intentionally flashed his FM while
18:31:47	midknight2k3	I had only Recorder support yet, but I don't count that.
18:31:47	midknight2k3	J�rg
18:44:32	uski	yea lol
18:44:36	uski	funny lol
18:44:52	midknight2k3	did you flash your uski?
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19:03:16	scott666	mk: you werent around when that happened?
19:03:25	midknight2k3	not that i know of
19:03:38	scott666	i remember that, it was durring the first flash beta
19:03:45	midknight2k3	lol
19:03:49	midknight2k3	what happened
19:03:51	scott666	he got a new one from best buy
19:03:52	scott666	lol
19:03:55	midknight2k3	hahaha
19:03:57	midknight2k3	HAHAAH
19:04:00	midknight2k3	like i would have
19:04:09	midknight2k3	maybe it was me
19:04:46	scott666	i just reflashed my fm
19:04:58	midknight2k3	why
19:05:05	scott666	now i dont have to hold on to turn it on
19:05:08	midknight2k3	on fix?
19:05:09	midknight2k3	yeah
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19:14:40	midknight2k3	hardeep
19:14:45	midknight2k3	who i wanted to ask
19:16:02	hardeep	who did you want to ask?
19:16:03	dsg	So rockbox works from flash now?
19:16:09	midknight2k3	when i try to move the recording settings into general settings, i get an error when building. I kept the line from main_menu.c with the ifdef, and also i put the line up to, the ifdef have_masxxxx include recording.h. I get the error, 'recording_menu' first use in this fucction
19:16:15	midknight2k3	yes dsg
19:16:21	hardeep	dsg: on the recorder (including fm) models
19:16:26	midknight2k3	any ideas hardeep
19:16:29	dsg	Ah, okay. Neat. :)
19:16:50	MT	you havent included the right header file
19:17:18	midknight2k3	any ideas... "around" it?
19:18:04	hardeep	midknight2k3: recording_menu is defined in sound_menu.h
19:18:14	hardeep	midknight2k3: that's what you need to include
19:18:31	midknight2k3	but main menu included that and settings menu didn't?
19:19:42	midknight2k3	i see
19:19:49	midknight2k3	let me compile this and see if it worls
19:19:49	hardeep	midknight2k3: yes, but it looks like you didn't
19:19:51	midknight2k3	works*
19:19:56	midknight2k3	i didnt
19:19:59	midknight2k3	i didnt know that
19:20:05	midknight2k3	i thought it was in recording.h
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19:25:19	midknight2k3	nupatch/build/ajbrec.ajz
19:25:19	midknight2k3	make[1]: *** [/home/rockbox/menupatch/build/ajbrec.ajz] Error 255
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19:25:19	midknight2k3	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockbox/menupatch/apps'
19:25:19	midknight2k3	make: *** [apps] Error 2
19:25:36	midknight2k3	oh wait
19:25:51	midknight2k3	ok i forgot to put in "scramble"
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19:28:44	midknight2k3	it works!
19:28:49	midknight2k3	thank you sooo much hardeep
19:29:02	midknight2k3	you've never failed to fix my problems
19:29:29	midknight2k3	hello bloke
19:29:35	top_bloke	yo
19:30:30	midknight2k3	hardeep rocks
19:30:34	midknight2k3	if you didnt know
19:30:57	top_bloke	i see
19:31:20	top_bloke	the thing is
19:31:27	top_bloke	my archos records the hard drive sounds when using an external mic...
19:31:39	top_bloke	is that normal?
19:31:42	midknight2k3	move the mic away from the archos
19:31:46	top_bloke	i did
19:31:51	top_bloke	it was like 4 feet
19:32:02	midknight2k3	it still records a very small amount of it, yeah
19:32:05	top_bloke	i put a pillow over it later
19:32:06	midknight2k3	i dunno if that can be fixed
19:32:12	top_bloke	so normal?
19:32:16	midknight2k3	yeah
19:32:23	midknight2k3	FASAP
19:32:28	midknight2k3	fay-sapp
19:32:33	midknight2k3	fixed as soon as possible
19:32:45	top_bloke	and here i thought using an ext mic would het rid of all the hd sounds
19:32:52	top_bloke	get rid
19:32:52	midknight2k3	it should
19:32:56	midknight2k3	try the archos fw
19:33:04	midknight2k3	i dont think it does the sound crap
19:33:04	top_bloke	wow
19:33:07	dsg	The input is probably not shielded well enough.
19:33:19	top_bloke	well i made the input myself...
19:33:31	midknight2k3	mine does it too
19:33:42	dsg	I have this on my laptop −− if the volume is set high enough, and I'm not playing anything, I can hear sounds from the HD if I have headphones on. :)
19:33:48	top_bloke	yeah
19:33:55	top_bloke	thats true
19:34:18	midknight2k3	hardeep: if i wanted to make a new menu option (just say for now "Extras") would i make a new file, extras_menu.c?
19:34:20	top_bloke	good point
19:35:17	hardeep	midknight2k3: yeah, a new file is probably best
19:35:32	midknight2k3	archo.. i mean, argh
19:35:36	midknight2k3	lol
19:35:42	midknight2k3	was about to say archos
19:35:55	midknight2k3	whenever i wanna say "rocks" i say rockbox
19:36:06	midknight2k3	even when i just typed rocks i almost typed rockbox
19:36:18	scott666	as in 'that rockboxs!'?
19:36:27	midknight2k3	as in "that rockbox"
19:36:32	midknight2k3	lol
19:36:41	midknight2k3	rockbox
19:36:48	midknight2k3	i just tried to type rockbs
19:36:49	midknight2k3	rocks
19:36:51	midknight2k3	see
19:36:53	midknight2k3	its taking over
19:37:50	midknight2k3	so great
19:38:02	midknight2k3	and then i'd need to reference it to the new file
19:38:10	midknight2k3	and i need to do all the junk
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19:58:44	midknight2k3	i want a vu meter
19:58:54	midknight2k3	time for some 1337 on the peak meter
19:58:55	midknight2k3	lol
19:59:08	midknight2k3	time for some 1337-W0RK on the peak meter
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20:40:21	tpelliott	I'm looking at the FM Recorder manual from Archos. In several places, it says it has a digital i/o port that's also analog in. It's true that there is no digital output? I have the older JBR 20.
20:43:32	hardeep	tpelliott: i don't have one but, as I understand it, there is an error in the manual... fmr doesn't have digital out
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20:46:40	tpelliott	I wandwe why they removed it? Digital out is the perfect way to play mp3's through your home theater system.
20:46:54	midknight2k3	copyright reasons
20:47:01	midknight2k3	though the HFSCMSOFF function still works
20:48:14	tpelliott	I wander if copywrite issues will end this type of device that allows free copying mp3's to and from the hard drive.
20:48:36	midknight2k3	nah
20:50:01	tpelliott	Other devices allow coppying to and from the hard drive, but NOT mp3's that play on the unit (seperate partitions, I think).\
20:50:17	midknight2k3	i hope they keep it as UMS
20:50:36	tpelliott	UMS?
20:50:44	midknight2k3	usb mass storage
20:52:57	tpelliott	That's one reason I decided to upgrade my JBR 20 to 60GB instead of looking for something new.
20:53:10	midknight2k3	yeah
20:55:52	tpelliott	What I want, eventually, is something with a large display for pictures and movies, powerful processor, lots of memory, large hard drive and long battery life. With on screen editing, etc. That kind of functionality will take a few years.
20:56:10	midknight2k3	the AV340 comes closes
20:56:13	midknight2k3	closest
20:56:19	midknight2k3	except for on screen editing
20:56:23	midknight2k3	what do you mean by that
20:57:16	tpelliott	Like Cool Edit. Touch screen operation like a PDA
20:57:36	midknight2k3	that's gonna take a while
20:57:44	midknight2k3	for now, get a palm and an av340
20:57:46	midknight2k3	there
20:58:07	tpelliott	I'm just dreaming of the future :)
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20:58:31	midknight2k3	i wish my future was now
20:59:25	tpelliott	I've been ripping and adding CDs to my new 60 gig drive. I'm happy with that for now.
20:59:50	midknight2k3	yeah\
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21:52:45	midknight2k3	mt?
21:55:32	MT	you're not my real dad, i dont have to listen to you!
21:56:42	midknight2k3	sorry
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22:34:19	midknight2k3	hi zagor
22:34:24	Zagor	hi
22:34:43	midknight2k3	i just got an idea of my menu redesign
22:45:31	midknight2k3	recording settings will be under "General Settings -> Recording" and also from F1 at record screen
22:45:32	midknight2k3	for one
22:47:30	midknight2k3	i was also planning an "extras" or "other options" menu
22:48:37	midknight2k3	tpvlnpc tpvld!!
22:51:26	midknight2k3	xshpt od divj s vtppl!
22:51:58	midknight2k3	that's secret code for"zagor is such a crook!"
22:52:09	midknight2k3	like you said when you chose rockbox over oracle or whatever
22:52:18	Zagor	haha
22:52:53	midknight2k3	brtu gimmu
22:52:58	midknight2k3	very funny
22:53:16	midknight2k3	i like my code
22:53:43	midknight2k3	do you think sound settings should be the first option?
22:53:58	midknight2k3	although we could have a "settings" menu with sound settings and all the other stuff
22:53:58	Zagor	yes
22:54:03	midknight2k3	so you hit >> then >> again
22:54:09	midknight2k3	one extra click
22:54:15	Zagor	sound settings are the most commonly changed ones
22:54:16	midknight2k3	so many choices
22:54:19	midknight2k3	yeah
22:54:47	midknight2k3	-settings
22:54:54	midknight2k3	never mind that
22:55:18	midknight2k3	it's hard to pick an intuitive system that is simple and uncluttered
22:55:25	midknight2k3	the only drawback to having so many features
22:55:27	midknight2k3	lol
22:56:45	midknight2k3	i think most of the unused or least used belong in the other folder
22:57:19	midknight2k3	like, wake up alarm and perhaps sleep timer
22:57:33	midknight2k3	and for sure games and demos
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23:00:28	midknight2k3	ahh, just forget it
23:00:35	midknight2k3	too complicated
23:04:06	scott666	how long ago was that?
23:04:20	midknight2k3	was what
23:04:40	scott666	the conversation about the menu
23:04:44	midknight2k3	3 minutes
23:04:52	midknight2k3	err
23:04:53	midknight2k3	7
23:04:59	midknight2k3	13:57:27 \| <midknight2k3> and for sure games and demos
23:04:59	midknight2k3	14:00:22 \| <midknight2k3> ahh, just forget it
23:04:59	midknight2k3	14:00:29 \| <midknight2k3> too complicated
23:04:59	DBUG	Enqueued KICK midknight2k3
23:04:59	midknight2k3	14:04:01 \| <scott666> how long ago was that?
23:05:19	scott666	i proposed a new menu design a while back
23:06:36	midknight2k3	tell me about it
23:07:16	scott666	i included a buncch of future plugins and just generally cleaned
23:07:22	scott666	lemme find it
23:10:27	scott666	http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-07/1130.shtml
23:14:04	midknight2k3	nice
23:14:07	midknight2k3	i do like
23:14:58	scott666	i tried to keep menus to 7 things
23:15:17	midknight2k3	yeah
23:15:25	midknight2k3	less clutter i think is the main goal
23:15:27	scott666	like the submenus, so you can see it all without scrolling
23:15:34	midknight2k3	and more intuitive if possible
23:15:38	midknight2k3	mm hmm
23:15:56	scott666	ive always thought it was a lot easier to go right one then down 8
23:16:14	midknight2k3	up one you mean?
23:16:27	scott666	no
23:16:47	scott666	oh, i see what you mean, that too
23:17:20	scott666	but i meant its easier to go into a subdirectory then down 10 more
23:17:54	midknight2k3	yeah
23:19:43	midknight2k3	i might just use that idea
23:19:47	midknight2k3	if i can get it figgered out
23:20:10	scott666	i started to convert it to xml to make it easier to read, but i never finished it
23:20:18	midknight2k3	lol
23:20:19	midknight2k3	should have
23:20:34	scott666	its still on the old comp, i can finish it if you want
23:20:44	scott666	unless i deleted it
23:20:47	scott666	i mightve
23:20:47	midknight2k3	i'll see if that can be done
23:20:48	scott666	lol
23:20:52	midknight2k3	hahah
23:21:07	midknight2k3	rdyipofp
23:21:14	midknight2k3	estupido^
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23:30:28	Guest	is anyone chatting? I can't see anything.
23:30:46	Zagor	it's a bit slow
23:30:55	midknight2k3	hi
23:30:57	Guest	o
23:30:57	midknight2k3	im chatting
23:30:59	midknight2k3	whats new
23:31:09	midknight2k3	lol
23:31:16	Guest	i'm just checking it out. I got my recorder 20 yesterday.
23:32:00	Guest	uh oh. gotta go. bye
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