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#rockbox log for 2003-09-22

00:18:37 Quit _aLF ("good night")
00:18:50 Part diddystar5 ("Client exiting")
00:32:00 Join midknight2k3 [0] (LeLaLeLA@ACC0AE47.ipt.aol.com)
00:32:03midknight2k3HI!
00:34:04 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
00:34:53midknight2k3er
00:34:53midknight2k3bye
00:34:59midknight2k3hi bagder
00:35:24Bagderhi
00:40:01midknight2k3did you see my ascii archos?
00:40:42Bagderno
01:00
01:12:19BoD[]where is it
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01:43:53midknight2k3hi track
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01:51:44 Part tpelliott
01:52:09BoD[]midknight2k3 : where is the ascii archos???
01:52:21midknight2k3private chat?
01:52:36BoD[]sorry :)
01:53:07***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:53:38 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se")
02:00
02:01:47trackzzzzzzzzzzz
02:01:54midknight2k3ZzZzZ
02:01:58midknight2k3time for bed?
02:02:02midknight2k3its only 5pm here
02:02:06midknight2k31am there
02:02:25 Quit track ("Leaving")
02:02:31midknight2k3jerk
02:15:27 Join yeft [0] (yeft@AC8FA611.ipt.aol.com)
02:15:34yeftawww ya missed me!
02:15:54midknight2k3YEFT
02:15:57midknight2k3YEFTY~
02:15:59yeftmid!
02:16:03midknight2k3i missed you!
02:16:06yeftlol...
02:16:06midknight2k3hows your fmrec?
02:16:12yeftwonderful...
02:16:19midknight2k3glad you got it over an ipod?
02:16:21yeftreception isn't always great though
02:16:26yeftdon't know
02:16:29midknight2k3i never use that radio anyways
02:16:31midknight2k3lol
02:16:36midknight2k3not often at least
02:16:43midknight2k3i flashed mine
02:16:43midknight2k3did you
02:16:51yeftlol i just realized rockbox does line in recording
02:16:56yeftno i'm scared
02:16:57midknight2k3hahahaha
02:17:10midknight2k3i had the *scary* 504 mask
02:17:21midknight2k3which wasnt scary at all in the end
02:17:36yeftwhats the scary 504 mask?
02:17:57midknight2k3some guy flashed his fmrec with a 504 mask and it broke
02:18:01midknight2k3he thought it was the mask
02:18:09midknight2k3it turned out the ucl didnt copy over right
02:18:10yeft....i wanna flash it, but i don't wanna shell the cash for a new one
02:18:19midknight2k3it's foolproof now
02:18:28midknight2k3if you have enough battery you cant bust it really
02:18:35midknight2k3unless you hold off when its flashing
02:18:40midknight2k3but then youd be lucky
02:18:45midknight2k3it only takes a few seconds anyways
02:18:46yeftlemme charge it, and i'll flash it
02:18:50midknight2k3lol
02:18:54midknight2k3now it has a crc check too
02:19:03midknight2k3so if the ucl is dead it will refuse
02:19:04yeft....still scared
02:19:06midknight2k3i missed you
02:19:09midknight2k3i was too
02:19:11midknight2k3it was fun
02:19:18midknight2k3after the first time, it's unbustable
02:19:23midknight2k3reflashing new ones is a snap
02:19:44midknight2k3because even if it fails, you can use archos firmware to get a new ajbrec and then use archos firmware to load it and reflash
02:19:54midknight2k3thats as failproof as it gets
02:21:05yeftaight can i do it while its plugged in?
02:21:16midknight2k3sure
02:21:26midknight2k3JIC whats the batt level?
02:21:36yeftjic?
02:21:41midknight2k3just in case
02:21:46midknight2k3not really matters if its plugged in
02:21:47yeft0 lol
02:21:58yefti just took it to the beach
02:21:59midknight2k3but as this is the most important flash you will ever make..
02:22:00midknight2k3you know
02:22:01midknight2k3lol
02:22:19yeftoh shizzit this is my old comp, i don't have the driver....
02:22:28midknight2k3you suck yeft
02:22:29midknight2k3lol
02:22:33midknight2k3you were missed
02:22:38midknight2k3i wondered where you were
02:23:04yeftlol well i went away for the summer, and i was in diff irc chat for a while, but they got annoying
02:23:33yeftnot as cool as you guys
02:23:44midknight2k3lol
02:26:43yeft PSUWOLF4 [8:27 AM]: ur right
02:26:44yeft Yeft [8:28 AM]: it happens
02:26:52midknight2k3?
02:27:04yeftlol, i just thought that was funny...people must learn i'm always right
02:27:16midknight2k3haha
02:30:54midknight2k3remember to ask me before you go on!
02:30:57midknight2k3i like helping
02:32:20yeftok, i'm ..on...getting the driver
02:32:26midknight2k3whateber
02:32:28midknight2k3lol
02:32:30midknight2k3TYPOS GALORE
02:36:13yeftok its installed
02:36:24midknight2k3get your archos up and running
02:36:28midknight2k3oh and btw
02:36:32midknight2k3the loading times are great
02:36:37midknight2k3it usually takes soooo long
02:36:40midknight2k3like 15 secs
02:36:46midknight2k3now its like 4-6 secs
02:36:53yeftok ok
02:36:57midknight2k3lol
02:37:01yeftmy archos is plugged in
02:38:23yeftmozilla fired up and i'm at rockbox.haxx whatever
02:38:29midknight2k3lol
02:38:35midknight2k3im using mozilla too
02:38:41midknight2k3click the flash thing
02:38:41midknight2k3new
02:38:44midknight2k3news*
02:38:59yeftok...
02:39:37midknight2k3just want me to help you through it instead of using the docs? (using the docs for reference)?
02:40:22yeftyeh yeh yeh
02:40:30midknight2k3ok
02:40:37midknight2k3ready to take the plunge?
02:40:58midknight2k3firstly, go to Menu - Debug - View HW info
02:41:22yeftits plugged in...lol
02:41:34yeft...so i guess take it out
02:42:06midknight2k3take what out
02:42:07midknight2k3usb?
02:42:08midknight2k3yes
02:42:35yeftok in hw info
02:42:56yeftshizzit i tested usb positive
02:43:03midknight2k3?
02:43:16yeft...archos humor...next to usb it says positive
02:43:24midknight2k3uh
02:43:25midknight2k3funny
02:43:25midknight2k3he
02:43:26DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
02:43:26midknight2k3he
02:43:29yeftlol
02:43:43midknight2k3you are talking out of your USB port again!
02:43:59yeftbooooooo
02:44:22yeftok lets keep goin
02:44:26yefti'm in hw info
02:44:52midknight2k3yeah lol
02:45:01midknight2k3firstly, what does the line "flash" say?
02:45:15yeftM=BF D=D6
02:45:22midknight2k3good
02:45:24midknight2k3mask?
02:45:35yeft0x0304
02:45:42midknight2k3and ROM CRC?
02:49:19yeftpeace!
02:49:23 Quit yeft ()
02:51:26midknight2k3poor adi
03:00
03:03:05 Quit mecraw_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
03:04:57 Join mecraw_ [0] (~mecraw@12-252-254-35.client.attbi.com)
03:08:30midknight2k3hi
03:32:57midknight2k3who
03:33:00midknight2k3whoa*
03:33:11midknight2k3PLUGH: Idle time - 48hrs 33mins 8secs
03:33:34PlughI'm watching you
03:33:47midknight2k3YOU BLEW IT
03:33:48midknight2k3so far
03:33:52midknight2k3PLUGH: Idle time - 7secs
03:33:54midknight2k3carpper
03:33:57midknight2k3crapper
03:34:00midknight2k3so close
03:34:01midknight2k3so far
03:34:06midknight2k3and blows it
03:34:31Plughdon't mention my name and I'll stay quiet
03:34:41midknight2k3plugh
03:34:46midknight2k3plugh plugh plugh plugh plugh
03:34:54midknight2k3plugh plugh plugh plugh plugh plugh plugh
03:35:07Plughputs up a little red 5 in my bar
03:35:16midknight2k3?
03:36:00Plugh [18:36] [@Plugh] [2:#rockbox(+nt)] [Act: 4,5]
03:36:19midknight2k3???
03:36:24BoD[]I go to bed ! seeyall
03:36:29 Quit BoD[] ("mblZ")
03:36:32Plugh#rockbox is on window 5
03:36:50midknight2k3and?
03:37:58midknight2k3hahah
03:38:00midknight2k3plugh
03:38:11midknight2k301.34.13 # <Plugh> there were people who screwed with other peoples' names in Kindergarten. We called them assholes
03:38:58midknight2k3MOZILLA IS COOL
03:39:09midknight2k3it goes like, when you use the arrows to scroll, slow and then fast
03:41:14midknight2k3PLUGH!
03:41:59Plughokay back to ignoring you
03:42:11midknight2k3aww
03:42:34midknight2k3priceless:
03:42:36midknight2k3 
03:42:36midknight2k322.25.56 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
03:42:36midknight2k322.41.33 # <track> hi
03:42:36midknight2k322.43.52 # <J00> lo
03:42:36midknight2k322.49.12 # <Plugh> yo
03:42:36***Alert Mode level 1
03:42:36midknight2k322.49.26 # <scott666> hey
03:42:38midknight2k322.49.32 # <track> hi
03:42:43midknight2k3heheh
03:43:05midknight2k322.55.46 # <track> zagor isn;t saying much
03:43:05midknight2k322.58.22 # <track> would win first prize in a moodiness contest though
03:43:05midknight2k322.58.22 # <track> :-)
03:43:05***Alert Mode level 2
03:43:05midknight2k322.58.25 # <track> joke
03:43:13midknight2k3lol
03:43:17midknight2k3ignore me?
03:43:18midknight2k3what a jerkl
03:43:21midknight2k3jerk*
03:43:59midknight2k323.09.25 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237)
03:44:00midknight2k323.22.16 # <Plugh> hiya hardeep
03:44:00midknight2k323.28.45 Quit track ("Leaving")
03:44:13midknight2k3er, 13 minutes late there
03:45:45midknight2k3fine then
03:45:47midknight2k3ignore me
03:53:06***Alert Mode OFF
03:53:09***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:00
05:00:33midknight2k3scott
05:00:42scott666what?
05:00:45midknight2k3didnt you get the on button fix
05:00:51scott666yeah
05:00:54midknight2k3can you dcc it?
05:01:45scott666http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/flash_fm.zip
05:01:56midknight2k3?
05:02:00midknight2k3that's the new one?
05:02:05scott666yeah
05:02:13midknight2k3with the on button fix?
05:02:17scott666yup
05:02:28scott666thats the one i downloaded when i reflashed
05:02:32midknight2k3and i hafta redo the firmware-flash.rock?
05:02:38scott666yeah
05:02:45midknight2k3*scared again*
05:02:51scott666i know
05:02:57midknight2k3i thought i would be scared no more after the first one
05:02:57scott666but i did it!
05:03:04midknight2k3but here comes a new one
05:03:09midknight2k3i know
05:03:14midknight2k3i will hafta
05:03:15scott666this seems more like tempting fate
05:03:20midknight2k3crackholes
05:03:33midknight2k3meaning?
05:03:43midknight2k3tempting fate...
05:03:53midknight2k3those two words together don't seem right
05:04:05scott666doing it once and being fine, and then doing it AGAIN
05:04:13midknight2k3lol
05:04:27midknight2k3i bet this won't be the last time
05:05:06hardeepwhy do you have to do it again? wy not just flash using the ucl file?
05:05:10hardeeper why
05:05:22midknight2k3a new on button fix
05:05:25midknight2k3a whole new bootloader
05:06:01scott666well not WHOLE new, just a fix
05:06:57midknight2k3well
05:07:02midknight2k3a fixed bootloader then
05:12:57 Join diddystar5 [0] (~diddystar@AC83BE66.ipt.aol.com)
05:13:02diddystar5hey mid
05:13:09midknight2k3hey
05:13:26diddystar5im still working on the vu meter
05:13:32midknight2k3cool
05:13:36midknight2k3did you get it to move>
05:13:51diddystar5still can't come up with a good way to get it to move
05:14:03midknight2k3steal peakmeter code?
05:14:05diddystar5i have a precompile of what it will look like though
05:14:08midknight2k3i have homework
05:14:09midknight2k3crap
05:14:14midknight2k3can you dcc me?
05:14:20diddystar5yes one minute
05:14:21midknight2k3is it a sim?
05:15:25diddystar5no a rock for your fm
05:15:41midknight2k3ok
05:18:22midknight2k3for the latest ver?
05:18:36diddystar5yes it should work with whatever you have
05:18:39midknight2k3i guess it dont matter
05:18:40midknight2k3lol
05:18:58diddystar5currently is runs and quits in 8 secs
05:19:09diddystar5ill make it quit when you press off later
05:19:10midknight2k3ok
05:19:26midknight2k3ill just let it run then
05:19:29diddystar5and the needles are just going to point at no volume
05:19:31midknight2k3ok copied
05:19:55midknight2k3wow
05:19:56midknight2k3cool
05:19:58midknight2k3i like it
05:20:11diddystar5not great looking yet...
05:20:15midknight2k3it is too
05:20:16midknight2k3great work
05:20:26midknight2k3just to make it move now
05:20:40midknight2k3i still dont get why you cant steal the peakmeter cide
05:20:42midknight2k3code*
05:20:45midknight2k3tell me again?
05:21:19midknight2k3ok
05:21:24midknight2k3firmware_flash-ing
05:21:28diddystar5the peakmeter code want work because some stuff needs to be added to the plugin api. right now im trying to work with the oscillograph plugin code
05:21:42midknight2k3F2 to program
05:21:47midknight2k3count down, someone
05:21:57diddystar53
05:21:58diddystar52
05:21:59diddystar51
05:22:02diddystar50!
05:22:07midknight2k3stoopid thing
05:22:11midknight2k3it says f2 to program
05:22:17midknight2k3and then it gives a warning when i hit f2
05:22:21midknight2k3but i did hit it
05:22:29midknight2k3NOW.. F3 to proceed
05:22:36midknight2k3i bet they will make it another wearning
05:22:41midknight2k3and then play to program
05:22:43midknight2k3sheesh
05:22:46midknight2k3count down someone
05:22:49midknight2k3F3 to program
05:22:53diddystar5are you doing the first flash?!
05:22:57midknight2k3no
05:22:58midknight2k3second
05:22:59midknight2k3go
05:23:05diddystar53
05:23:05diddystar52
05:23:06diddystar51
05:23:08diddystar50!
05:23:21midknight2k3verify ok
05:23:26midknight2k3hmm
05:23:30midknight2k3to shut it off or not
05:23:34midknight2k3count down somone
05:23:41diddystar5shut off
05:23:47midknight2k3I SAID COUNT DOWN
05:23:51diddystar53
05:23:52diddystar52
05:23:53diddystar511
05:23:56diddystar510
05:23:57diddystar50
05:23:59diddystar5!
05:23:59midknight2k3count down to boot
05:24:06diddystar55
05:24:07diddystar54
05:24:08diddystar53
05:24:08DBUGEnqueued KICK diddystar5
05:24:08diddystar52
05:24:08diddystar51
05:24:09***Alert Mode level 1
05:24:09diddystar50
05:24:13midknight2k3YEAH
05:24:14midknight2k3WOO
05:24:17midknight2k3AND
05:24:25midknight2k3the version is: "Ver. FlashEdition"
05:24:27midknight2k3AWESOME
05:24:28midknight2k3i like
05:24:30midknight2k3lol
05:24:33midknight2k3Ver FlashEdition
05:24:36midknight2k3AWESOME
05:24:40midknight2k3i like that
05:24:50midknight2k3wanna pic
05:24:53diddystar5why are you using firmware_flash? you only need to run rockbox_flash to update
05:25:01midknight2k3i know
05:25:03midknight2k3bootloader fix
05:25:06midknight2k3for on button
05:25:08diddystar5ooo
05:25:18midknight2k3did you flash yours?
05:25:23diddystar5yes
05:25:28midknight2k3did it say FlashEditon?
05:25:36diddystar5no
05:25:40midknight2k3its cool
05:25:52midknight2k3sec
05:25:54diddystar5i did it on the first day it was released
05:26:02midknight2k3steal the osci code or something
05:26:04midknight2k3lolol
05:26:40diddystar5ooo what the hay i want to update my bootloder anyway!
05:26:49midknight2k3why?
05:26:49midknight2k3lol
05:26:54midknight2k3it wont say flashedition i bet
05:26:57midknight2k3a pic is better
05:27:01midknight2k3which im getting
05:27:10diddystar5i think a crc check and stuff was added
05:27:28midknight2k3ok
05:27:28midknight2k3go for it
05:27:33midknight2k3lol
05:30:58diddystar5count down!
05:31:11diddystar5go
05:31:12midknight2k3ok
05:31:14midknight2k33
05:31:15midknight2k32
05:31:17midknight2k31
05:31:17midknight2k3GOOOO
05:31:18midknight2k3ASDJFAL:SDf
05:31:36diddystar5whoo hooo
05:31:47midknight2k3flashedition?
05:31:51diddystar5Ver. FlashEdition
05:31:54diddystar5!
05:31:54midknight2k3cool
05:31:56midknight2k3i like it
05:31:59midknight2k3ill keep it
05:32:09midknight2k3stealing the osci code?
05:32:17diddystar5you can add flash edition to the logo!
05:32:30midknight2k3you can add any edition
05:32:34diddystar5in uisimulator/x11/archos there is the rockbox logo
05:32:35midknight2k3You can say DiddyVer
05:32:49midknight2k3Diddy'sVer
05:33:15diddystar5you can edit bmp2rb and add add it to apps/recorder/icons.c
05:33:24diddystar5hehe
05:33:27midknight2k3or you can just edit version.c
05:33:30midknight2k3or whatever
05:34:10***Alert Mode OFF
05:34:14diddystar5but you can make it look cute and IN the logo!
05:34:27diddystar5i once make it say Lee's Rockbox
05:34:43midknight2k3lol
05:34:57diddystar5you should make a ascii image and out it as your logo!
05:35:06midknight2k3cool
05:35:08diddystar5take that middle finger one i saw in the IRC log
05:35:15midknight2k3hahaha
05:35:33diddystar5you rockbox can flip you off!
05:35:42diddystar5there's another thing it could do
05:35:50midknight2k3yeah
05:35:53midknight2k3it's called vu meter
05:35:59midknight2k3you steal the osci code and it works
05:36:01midknight2k3like magic
05:36:06midknight2k3try it someday
05:36:07midknight2k3lol
05:36:29diddystar5might do that after school tomo ro
05:36:42diddystar5what state do you live in?
05:37:04midknight2k3wa
05:37:20diddystar5cool im below you in oregon
05:37:23 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net)
05:37:37midknight2k3neat
05:37:39diddystar5ahhh THU bless me
05:37:50CtcpIgnored 3 channel CTCP requests in 1 day and 0 hours at the last flood
05:37:50*thu blesses diddystar5
05:39:08diddystar5i like chicken i like liver meow mix meow mix please deliver!
05:40:43midknight2k3wheres the ver info
05:40:50midknight2k3like howd he change it to FlashEdition
05:41:13diddystar5in tools/configure
05:41:35midknight2k3?
05:41:56diddystar5in that file find: VERSION=\$(shell date +%y%m%d-%H%M)
05:42:10diddystar5chang that to VERSION=\$ (whatever)
05:42:20midknight2k3cool
05:42:21midknight2k3thanks
05:42:28midknight2k3i got a good idea
05:42:34diddystar5o sorry i think VERSION= (whatever)
05:42:51diddystar5i did it once
05:43:05midknight2k3they should have it say &ROCKbox and at bottom put "rockbox.haxx.se" for 1 second and then "Ver. xxxxxxx"
05:43:11midknight2k3for 1 second
05:43:36diddystar5sounds cool
05:43:54midknight2k3maybe i can do it
05:44:04midknight2k3a little scredit is due
05:44:08midknight2k3credit*
05:44:12midknight2k3to rockbox.haxx.se
05:44:27diddystar5are maybe its: VERSION= "(whatever)"
05:44:33diddystar5just have to play with it
05:45:10midknight2k3whatever
05:45:12midknight2k3thanks anyways
05:45:14midknight2k3il find it
05:45:17midknight2k3im not stupid
05:45:32midknight2k3VERSION=\$(shell date +%y%m%d-%H%M)
05:46:12diddystar5yes but you have to change it i still think it would be VERSION= lalalalalale
05:46:36midknight2k3whatever
05:46:39midknight2k3let me try other way
05:47:25midknight2k3ITS WORKING I THINK
05:47:26diddystar5what? ya cant do it in version.c/.h
05:47:34midknight2k3i know
05:47:38midknight2k3i was giving an example
05:47:49midknight2k3like in credits.c or wahtever
05:47:56midknight2k3it generates from docs/credits
05:48:10diddystar5yes you can add your name its fun
05:48:16midknight2k3lol
05:48:19midknight2k3or put
05:48:25midknight2k3(in your case)
05:48:27midknight2k3LEE
05:48:28midknight2k3LEE
05:48:30midknight2k3LEE
05:48:31midknight2k3LEE
05:48:33***Alert Mode level 1
05:48:33midknight2k3LEE
05:48:34midknight2k3x10
05:48:35midknight2k3lol
05:48:53midknight2k3PLUGH: Idle - 2hrs 6mins 41secs
05:49:00diddystar5i made rockbox myself damit!
05:49:08midknight2k3lol
05:49:14midknight2k3i got a perfect idea
05:49:22diddystar5-Plugh- USERINFO Better living through circuitry
05:52:54midknight2k3plugh sucks
05:52:57midknight2k3he ignores me
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05:54:23peter1Hi all. Got a hardware problem. Wondering if anyone can help
05:55:22diddystar5sure
05:55:31midknight2k3what is it
05:55:53peter1Just bought a new 20g recorder to replace my now dead 6 gig recorded
05:56:18midknight2k3ok
05:56:28peter1It does not always boot.
05:56:36diddystar5what does it do?
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05:56:56peter1When you power on, often just the refd and green lite will stay on and no LCD or boot
05:57:15peter1This happens 80% of the time. ac power or battery has no effect
05:57:23diddystar5wow
05:57:37peter1I swaped harddrives and also pulled the hardrive with no change
05:57:50diddystar5you got a bad one
05:58:15midknight2k3maybe flashing would work
05:58:22peter1I figured as much. I did the usual look for loose connections and resolder
05:58:24midknight2k3replace that crapped bootloader
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05:58:37peter1I thought about that but my flash=??? so no go for me
05:59:03diddystar5where did you get it from?
05:59:05peter1It is like the CPU never comes out of reset as it does nothing at all 9/10 times
05:59:28peter1Bought it new in the box of ebay. (plus I have torn into it already)
05:59:36midknight2k3uh oh
05:59:41diddystar5not good
05:59:42midknight2k3not good
05:59:43midknight2k3lol
05:59:46midknight2k320:59:38 | <diddystar5> not good
05:59:47midknight2k320:59:39 | <midknight2k3> not good
05:59:51midknight2k3well
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06:00:00midknight2k3hum
06:00:04diddystar5can you send stuff back to the seller on ebay?
06:00:12midknight2k3you could flash it.. might help (if you cant send back)
06:00:18peter1Yeah I figured I would ask here to see if any of you guys had a simliar experience
06:00:35peter1I can't flash it due to flash=??
06:00:36midknight2k3not me
06:00:37diddystar5his flash info is ?? so no good there
06:00:41midknight2k3crap
06:01:01midknight2k3he's stuck unless he can return it
06:01:05midknight2k3if he is stuck...
06:01:19midknight2k3well
06:01:21peter1Oh well. I guess I will fiddle with it some more. (I printed the schematics)
06:01:25midknight2k3i'll take it! :)
06:01:33diddystar5no me!
06:01:39midknight2k3i said it first
06:01:39diddystar5i love jb's
06:01:44midknight2k3BACK OFF CANNIBAL
06:01:51peter1LOL
06:01:53midknight2k3i do to
06:01:54midknight2k3so there
06:01:56midknight2k3i said it first
06:02:00midknight2k3my address is...
06:02:15midknight2k3no lol
06:02:20diddystar5gotta go
06:02:22diddystar5bye
06:02:24diddystar5!
06:02:29midknight2k3bye
06:02:36midknight2k3work on osci code
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06:02:48midknight2k3bye
06:03:02midknight2k3good luck
06:03:05peter1Thanks for the help. If I learn anything new I will post back..
06:03:09midknight2k3sure
06:03:10midknight2k3also
06:03:13midknight2k3try the mailinglist
06:03:18midknight2k3maybe someone can help
06:03:21midknight2k3if you didnt already
06:03:30midknight2k3night
06:03:35peter1will do. also posted at funmp3player just for grins.
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19:42:22Doggerhi
19:43:28DoggerI have just got an AV320, and want to code some games for it
19:43:33Doggerany ideas where I start?
19:43:40Doggerhas anyone else tried this yet?
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20:06:37Plughthis group isn't doing work on the AVs
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20:29:07uskihi everybody
20:29:14uskia question :) what is the hardware of the ondio ?
20:29:24uskiis it a SH1 µC ?
20:35:39uskianother question... i see an offer on the archos website ofr my country about
20:35:44uskithey sell some recorder 10
20:35:50uskibut thezy say the interface is USB 1.1
20:35:52uskiis it an error ?
20:36:36uskiwill rockbox work with it ? ;)
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20:52:19uskipleaaaaaase can anyone answer ? :((
20:54:17Plughumm
20:54:27PlughI don't know of any Ondio work going on
20:54:46Plughthe USB interface is independant of the fw
20:55:33uskii mean, on archos' website they say the recorder 10 use a USB 1.1 interface
20:55:48uskiBUT as far as i know, the recorder series use a ISD300 chip - which is USB 042 compliant
20:56:04uskiUSB i mean ;)
20:56:24uskiso before buying a recorder 10 i'd like to know what is the interface actually used
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21:00:13uskidamn
21:00:13uskihttp://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/rec_main_top.jpg
21:00:18uskiphotos of a RECORDER
21:00:24uski...with an ISD200 chip !
21:06:51Doggeranyone know how I could get started coding my AV300?
21:07:20Dogger(I am not a newbie to hacking, coding loads of different chips in asm, reverse engineering etc)
21:08:26Plughso umm... decrypt the encoding mechanism they use for the firmware file, open up the box to see what chips are available, find the data sheets and, if possible, the SDKs for the different chips that are used
21:08:41Doggerok,
21:08:44Plughthen decompile the firmware to find where it hooks into the hardware
21:09:03Doggerdo you know if the firmware update is a similar format to the ones rockbox does?
21:09:09Plughthen write your own firmware from the ground up to take advantage of the hooks
21:09:14Doggersure ok,
21:09:19Plughno, it's not very similar at all
21:09:28Doggerdo you know of anyone else working on AV300?
21:09:35Plughwhich is why Rockbox developers haven't touched the AVs
21:09:39Doggerah ok,
21:09:50Doggerbut AV has a joystick and a cool screen!!! :)
21:09:57Doggerneed to write games
21:10:15Plughlooks like a nice piece of hardware
21:10:28Plughnobody here wants to write new video codecs though
21:10:47Plughthe firmware isn't extensible
21:10:59Plughso you'd have to re-write EVERYTHING from the ground up
21:11:10Plughincluding video playback and recording
21:12:18Plughthe mp3 devices are fortunate enough to have the core of their operation (mp3 play/record) in a dedicated chip
21:13:17Plughso the only things the firmware really has to do are kicking off the functions of the de/encoder chip and managing I/O
21:13:26Plughoh, and some battery management stuff
21:14:01Plughthe AVs have a processor that is powerful enough to handle the encoding and decoding of several media formats
21:14:13Plughso they use it to do all that dirty work
21:14:45Plughany open-source or replacement solution would require the team to re-write all those functions as well
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21:15:28Plughthis is not to say that it wouldn't make the coolest portable device ever made.
21:15:40Plughit's be the ultimate in portable goodness
21:15:46Plugh^it'd
21:16:22Doggerhmmm ok,
21:16:24Plughbut unless you're an Archos developer, the resources would be pretty slim
21:16:29DoggerI am gonna do it
21:16:41DoggerI *need* to put some cool games on it
21:16:48Doggercos it's such a cool device
21:17:06Doggerso do you think this sounds like a good attack plan
21:17:08Plughyeah. If I had the cash for it, I'd buy one
21:17:20Plughespecially the DVR model
21:17:22Dogger1. find out serial port.... get that working.... find out how to recover/update from there?
21:17:41Dogger2. work out firmware format, chips used, get devel environment up, emulator etc
21:17:46Dogger3. code stuff
21:17:55Doggeryep thats what I got
21:18:05Plughsounds like a good start
21:18:14Doggerso presumably if I do a crap update, the box is dead unless I know how to do a serial update?
21:18:35Plughwell, I hope that's not the case
21:18:53Doggerhas anyone had any luck talking to archos before?
21:18:58Doggeror is it all REing etc
21:19:02Plughbrick wall
21:19:22Doggersure
21:19:26Doggerpretty typical
21:19:27Plughthey're not even acknowledging this project
21:19:35Doggerthats a shame
21:19:47DoggerI heard the o/s on the archos was linux based
21:19:54Plughpersonally, I see that they're in the business of selling hardware
21:20:03Plughcuz their software sux ass
21:20:10Doggeryeah it could be a ton better
21:20:24Doggeror they could at least just code an O/S, and let others write software to run on it
21:20:33Plughso they should be working with outside devs to make the software usable
21:20:47DoggerI mean.... if there were game packs available, how many more would they sell!
21:20:49Plughit's not Linux based
21:21:00Plughway too small to be Linux
21:21:01Doggero ok, I headr wrong then
21:21:14PlughI'm talking about the mp3 devices
21:21:18Doggerso is everything you see on screen in the tiny update file?
21:21:23Doggerah ok
21:21:26Doggermaybe the AV is
21:21:52Plughyes, everything you see and interact with is through that little update file
21:21:58Doggerok
21:22:08DoggerI saw there was a serial interface on the mp3 devices
21:22:16Doggerare there any docs on it? or how to use it?
21:22:20Doggermight be the same as AV
21:22:44Plughyeah. it's in the project docs page
21:22:54Doggerok looking.... thanks
21:23:04Plughlunch time
21:23:05Plughbbl
21:23:09Dogger:) same here....
21:23:23Doggerthanks for all your help even tho the AV isnt really the same thing :)
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21:37:35uskihi [IDC]Dragon
21:37:39uskihow are you ? :)
21:38:06uskii have an opportunity to buy an archos recorder 10 for 250euros, do you tihnk it is a good deal ? from the archos website
21:39:24[IDC]Dragonhi uski, sorry for afk
21:39:27Jaredis that after tax or something?
21:39:43[IDC]Dragonis is a usb2 model?
21:39:48[IDC]Dragonis it
21:40:15[IDC]DragonI wouldn't buy any other.
21:41:11Doggerusb2 is *so* much faster than usb
21:41:25Doggerdidn't realise until I tried both the other day
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21:56:00uskiit's usb 1.1 :\
21:56:37uskii thought that all recorders were USB 2 (ISD300) until i saw a photo on rockbox.haxx.se of a recorder with an isd200 !
21:56:45uski250euros inc. VAT
21:56:56uskiit's 150 euros less than a recorder 20
21:57:07[IDC]Dragondon't buy usb1.1
21:57:17[IDC]Dragonit's terrible.
21:57:47PlughS
21:57:48PlughL
21:57:49[IDC]DragonI feel that every time I'm at my office PC, which has only 1.1
21:57:50PlughO
21:57:51Plugh...
21:57:55PlughW
21:58:45uskireally ?
21:58:49uski:\
21:59:06uskii wish that the ISD300 is pin to pin compatible with the ISD200 lol
21:59:45uskigrrrr why USB2 models are so expensive
21:59:56uskithe prices keep raising !
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22:00:53uskialso it is becoming very difficult to get a recorder in france
22:01:14uskiit's like getting a creative zen: the only place that have some players to sell is the manufacturer's website - with very high prices
22:01:26Plughtry buying one off ebay and asking the person to ship to France
22:01:36Plughthen all you have to worry about is the power supply
22:09:56uskii don't want a used archos :\
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22:20:35MThmm
22:20:43MTtime to blag a free shipment from work
22:22:55Plughuski: used archos is probably a better bet than a new one. Most of the real problem units are obviously bad within the first week or month
22:23:13Plughif it survives longer than that, chances are it will last a long time
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22:32:40uskiPlugh: yea butif it fails the first month i will sent it to archos
22:33:33Plughuski: okay. good luck ;)
22:35:21MThmm :/
22:35:24MTsad and happy
22:35:44MTim sending my archos off tomorrow, i might never see it again
22:36:04MThappy in i will get either a new one or money back
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22:41:09Doggerwhats wrong with it?
22:43:06MTheadphone out is knackered
22:43:15Doggerah
22:43:21Doggerkinda useful for that to work
22:43:30MTand all the paint has peeled away from the back
22:43:31MTheh
22:44:05MTi just hope they dont notice ive taken it to pieces before
22:44:32MTand i have to unflash it
22:44:32MTheh
22:44:45CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 minute and 32 seconds at the last flood
22:44:45*MT scans the room for archos tech support types
22:50:00Plughwe're not tech support. We're rockbox firmware developers and their peanut gallery
22:53:25scott666mmmm....peanuts
22:56:46Plughumm, was there a per-track bookmark patch?
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23:07:25Plughfound it
23:07:29Plughcompiling now
23:07:30trackhi
23:10:21Plughhi track
23:10:36Plughis there a bookmark patch that works with cvs code?
23:11:13scott666if it doesnt just mention it to the creator and he'll probably update
23:19:46PlughI dropped him a line
23:19:59Plughthere were 2 failed patches
23:20:11Plughbut there's been a lot of changes to cvs lately
23:30:13Plughcool. Benjamin's gonna look into releasing a new patch tonight
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23:52:55Plughhi Bag and BoD
23:53:15Bagderhey
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23:54:19Plughlotta checkins over the last day or two
23:54:32PlughI just flashed them in
23:54:44Bagderyeah, Björn woke up ;-)
23:55:03Plughsomeone get him some Schnapps

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