| 00:23:20 | dsg | webmind: But does your archos make clicking sounds when accessing the disk? |
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| 01:33:18 | yeft | anyone here who can help with patching.... |
| 01:33:22 | yeft | (heres the catch) |
| 01:33:29 | yeft | on WINDOWS! |
| 01:33:31 | yeft | lol |
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| 02:04:46 | dsg | Anyone know a good mass-conversion script from ogg->mp3? |
| 02:04:56 | dsg | I'm lazy, don't feel like making one. |
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| 02:09:00 | ze | hmm |
| 02:09:35 | ze | i've got one i wrote, you may not like it or at least wanna modify it.. i haven't used it in a while either there may even be broken things about it... |
| 02:09:39 | ze | but here |
| 02:10:27 | dsg | ze: Well... does it set the ID3 tags correctly? |
| 02:10:31 | dsg | That's all I need really. |
| 02:10:34 | ze | i think it depends on it being properly tagged too |
| 02:10:40 | dsg | Hm. |
| 02:10:51 | ze | it takes *.ogg and gives you Artist/Album/#-track.mp3 |
| 02:10:52 | dsg | Damn. Not sure all this stuff is tagged. |
| 02:10:56 | ze | and yeah, tagged too |
| 02:11:09 | dsg | (Random stuff from various sources). |
| 02:11:23 | ze | well how's it gonna get auto-tagged if it's not already tagged? heh |
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| 02:12:02 | dsg | Well, I just want it to preserve tags on those files that do have them. |
| 02:12:11 | soaponachain88j | hey all |
| 02:12:17 | ze | well accept the dcc |
| 02:12:23 | dsg | Hm. |
| 02:12:25 | ze | take a look and see what you can do with it *shrug* |
| 02:12:43 | dsg | Thanks :) |
| 02:12:54 | soaponachain88j | hey does anyone have a range when the next rockbox 2.0 will be released? |
| 02:13:46 | ze | rockbox 2.0's been out for a long time |
| 02:13:46 | ze | heh |
| 02:14:01 | soaponachain88j | arg i mean 2.1 sorry lol |
| 02:14:12 | ze | ah, well, no idea, sorry |
| 02:14:12 | ze | heh |
| 02:14:17 | soaponachain88j | ok |
| 02:14:51 | soaponachain88j | do you know if you guys could make rockbox for that av player by archos? |
| 02:15:16 | ze | big differences in hardware, and nobody knows the firmware format |
| 02:15:28 | soaponachain88j | oo yea that thing looks rad though |
| 02:15:33 | ze | last i heard, so don't hold your breath |
| 02:15:33 | ze | heh |
| 02:16:05 | soaponachain88j | what the heck is CVS i always wondered |
| 02:16:10 | soaponachain88j | im a n00b ah |
| 02:16:16 | ze | concurent versioning system |
| 02:16:23 | soaponachain88j | is that automated |
| 02:16:32 | ze | it's a method of keeping source that's easy to update by multiple developers |
| 02:16:45 | soaponachain88j | o cool |
| 02:17:09 | ze | it's basically the live source tree, updated as development happens more or less |
| 02:17:20 | ze | so if you want the absolute latest, you can get it from cvs |
| 02:17:50 | soaponachain88j | yea i do that about once a week but theres never anything new in it |
| 02:18:11 | ze | it can also handle branches and tags, so you can have multiple source trees that don't effect each other, or you can choose to download a version from any particular day or whatnot |
| 02:18:26 | ze | there is, there's been several new things go in recently |
| 02:19:41 | soaponachain88j | o sweet im gonna do that now do you know any off-hand? |
| 02:19:55 | ze | well a couple patches got merged |
| 02:19:57 | ze | i forget what |
| 02:20:06 | soaponachain88j | thats cool |
| 02:20:18 | soaponachain88j | dammit i cant find my usb cord haha |
| 02:21:13 | soaponachain88j | ok i got it lol |
| 02:21:40 | soaponachain88j | what archos model do you have? |
| 02:22:24 | ze | heh |
| 02:22:27 | ze | i don't have one anymore |
| 02:22:35 | soaponachain88j | haha did you fry it? |
| 02:22:54 | ze | i had a studio20 for a long time, and then it quit charging so i took it in and bestbuy replaced it with an fm rec |
| 02:23:09 | ze | then the fm rec's harddrive went dead, so i took it in again and they gave me a creative njb zen |
| 02:23:31 | soaponachain88j | cool |
| 02:23:31 | ze | which has been pretty good so far, but i wish it had opensource firmware hehe |
| 02:23:41 | soaponachain88j | i need to understand something.. |
| 02:24:18 | soaponachain88j | when you flash your archos does that basically preload and keep the firmware in the memory or what? |
| 02:24:30 | ze | there's ROM that keeps default firmware |
| 02:24:42 | ze | it comes with a version of the archos firmware there |
| 02:25:03 | ze | which it boots first, and which looks for a firmware file on the harddrive to load, or just keeps loading itself if there is none |
| 02:25:19 | ze | flashing replaces the archos firmware there with rockbox |
| 02:25:30 | ze | so it doesn't have to wait to be loaded off the HD and such |
| 02:26:00 | soaponachain88j | o thats cool |
| 02:26:06 | soaponachain88j | i get it now duh haha |
| 02:26:17 | soaponachain88j | god how do ppl figure this crazy shit out? |
| 02:26:18 | soaponachain88j | haha |
| 02:26:30 | ze | heh |
| 02:26:45 | ze | it's not that crazy, lots of things do similar stuff |
| 02:27:12 | soaponachain88j | well i mean like coding and all these guys are smart |
| 02:27:25 | ze | yes they are |
| 02:27:25 | ze | hehe |
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| 02:27:57 | diddystar5 | sup plugh |
| 02:28:28 | soaponachain88j | are you a coder or something ze? |
| 02:28:32 | ze | not really |
| 02:28:44 | ze | i've done a tiny bit, and contributed a few ideas and such |
| 02:28:53 | diddystar5 | im sorta of a coder |
| 02:28:58 | ze | i'm mostly just a long-time fan of rockbox |
| 02:29:23 | soaponachain88j | yea rockbox well , rocks ha |
| 02:29:23 | ze | i decided on the archos for xmas of 2001 because i looked at it and just knew that it was gonna be hax0r3d |
| 02:29:30 | soaponachain88j | hah |
| 02:29:31 | soaponachain88j | yea |
| 02:29:43 | ze | shortly after i found bjorn's page with a little LED blinking firmware and tried it out |
| 02:29:50 | soaponachain88j | i got mine for my birthday its the jukebox 500 its old lol |
| 02:30:04 | soaponachain88j | haha o yea tha first thing |
| 02:30:16 | ze | so i've been a fan ever since |
| 02:30:16 | ze | hehe |
| 02:30:33 | soaponachain88j | me too |
| 02:30:46 | diddystar5 | i remember the LED blinker ;) |
| 02:31:04 | diddystar5 | i also owned a jb5000 back then |
| 02:31:10 | diddystar5 | now i have a recorder 20 |
| 02:31:35 | soaponachain88j | i want that av thing its so rad |
| 02:32:04 | diddystar5 | but it only has 3-4 hours of battery life :( |
| 02:32:06 | soaponachain88j | god its like 900$$ |
| 02:32:09 | soaponachain88j | yea that sucks |
| 02:32:19 | soaponachain88j | that like 1 movies worth |
| 02:33:18 | soaponachain88j | o no wait its $300 |
| 02:33:34 | ze | heh |
| 02:33:44 | soaponachain88j | i looked at the crazy video recored |
| 02:33:49 | soaponachain88j | recorder* |
| 02:33:50 | ze | personally, i'm waiting for a few generations to go by in the all-in-one mobile devices |
| 02:34:12 | ze | that have the big screen and pda and movie player and etc functionality and with standardized expandability and etc |
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| 02:34:43 | soaponachain88j | yea like that nokia thing |
| 02:35:04 | ze | what nokia thing? |
| 02:35:13 | ze | heh |
| 02:35:53 | soaponachain88j | i forgot what its called |
| 02:36:04 | soaponachain88j | its like a gameboyphone thing |
| 02:36:09 | ze | heh |
| 02:36:48 | soaponachain88j | the n-gage here it is |
| 02:36:50 | soaponachain88j | http://www.n-gage.com/R1/en/home.html |
| 02:38:17 | ze | heh |
| 02:38:23 | ze | man |
| 02:38:35 | diddystar5 | ze: have you played with my vu meter it's in the patches now! |
| 02:38:37 | soaponachain88j | its kinda cool i guess |
| 02:38:45 | ze | why does EVERY single mobile device have to be modled by laura croft? |
| 02:38:50 | soaponachain88j | hahah |
| 02:38:59 | soaponachain88j | whats a vu meter diddy? |
| 02:39:13 | ze | diddystar5: no i haven't, but i don't have an archos :/ heh |
| 02:39:30 | soaponachain88j | ? |
| 02:39:46 | diddystar5 | soaponachain88j: it's a meter with a needle that moves with the level of the volume |
| 02:40:02 | diddystar5 | only for the recorder though.... |
| 02:40:06 | soaponachain88j | o for better than jukebox im guessing |
| 02:40:08 | soaponachain88j | haha |
| 02:40:23 | ze | how'd you do it? i thought they said you couldn't get that kinda data to do such things with |
| 02:40:52 | diddystar5 | no works fine and it's a plugin |
| 02:41:01 | ze | couldn't you do a thing with lines sortof like the winamp vis thing like that? |
| 02:41:22 | ze | and like other kinds of vis |
| 02:41:22 | ze | heh |
| 02:41:40 | ze | shit that jumps to beats and stuff... ? |
| 02:42:35 | diddystar5 | err do you mean the spectrum annalizer? |
| 02:42:39 | ze | hehe i always want everything to be way more/better than what it is |
| 02:43:02 | ze | diddystar5: well thats what it is in winamp, but i mean you could fake the same kinda look anyway |
| 02:43:37 | soaponachain88j | how do i install a plugin onto my jukebox ? |
| 02:43:42 | diddystar5 | well not really since that much information cannot be read from the mas all the lines would be the same levle |
| 02:43:45 | soaponachain88j | or a ptch rather? |
| 02:43:49 | soaponachain88j | patch** |
| 02:44:06 | diddystar5 | soaponachain88j: got to the daily builds and download a full build for your player |
| 02:44:11 | ze | diddystar5: well you'd make it be like 1 line and scroll or be placed randomly or some other such trick to make it look good heh |
| 02:44:41 | diddystar5 | soaponachain88j: you have to know how to compile rockbox, unless the person that made the patch made a precompiled version |
| 02:44:46 | soaponachain88j | yea i have that but i mean like when i go to patches and theres a .rocks and a .c file |
| 02:44:54 | soaponachain88j | o |
| 02:45:05 | diddystar5 | the .rock files you can use |
| 02:45:17 | diddystar5 | .c files are source code |
| 02:45:24 | soaponachain88j | are the .c for compiling? |
| 02:45:30 | soaponachain88j | ahh ok |
| 02:45:50 | soaponachain88j | will the vu meter work on a jukebox |
| 02:45:51 | soaponachain88j | ? |
| 02:45:56 | diddystar5 | there aren't very many plugins for the players |
| 02:46:00 | soaponachain88j | o |
| 02:46:19 | diddystar5 | soaponachain88j: no the players lcd isn't good enough to make it works |
| 02:46:23 | diddystar5 | *work |
| 02:46:29 | soaponachain88j | ahh i thought so |
| 02:46:38 | soaponachain88j | do you know of any that i could use/? |
| 02:46:51 | diddystar5 | soaponachain88j: one minute |
| 02:46:55 | soaponachain88j | ok |
| 02:47:22 | ze | hmm |
| 02:47:36 | ze | wait, it's not for the players just cause of the LCD? |
| 02:47:41 | ze | shit, use a custom char |
| 02:48:08 | soaponachain88j | whats that haha |
| 02:48:11 | diddystar5 | ze: just the lcd everything but the lcd would work |
| 02:48:32 | diddystar5 | the players lcd screen sucks |
| 02:48:42 | ze | soaponachain88j: the player's LCD is charcell, it can't do graphics, just text in a predefined font |
| 02:48:52 | soaponachain88j | that sucsk |
| 02:48:53 | ze | but there's 4 or 8 (depending the model) custom chars that you can define |
| 02:48:54 | soaponachain88j | sucks* |
| 02:48:56 | ze | at a time |
| 02:48:57 | soaponachain88j | o |
| 02:48:58 | diddystar5 | see http://rockbox.haxx.se/screenshots/ |
| 02:49:08 | diddystar5 | all those are the looks of the recorder screen |
| 02:49:12 | ze | and you can change them as much as you like |
| 02:49:26 | ze | so if you display a custom char on the screen, you can draw to it and animate it and all |
| 02:49:32 | ze | that should be just fine for a VU meter |
| 02:49:33 | soaponachain88j | thats cool |
| 02:49:43 | soaponachain88j | man now i want a recorder |
| 02:50:07 | diddystar5 | ze: not enough room on that screen for the needles |
| 02:50:21 | diddystar5 | there are only 2 lines on the player screen |
| 02:50:29 | soaponachain88j | o well i g2g bye guys |
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| 02:50:35 | ze | lemme see a shot of the VU meter on the recorder |
| 02:50:48 | ze | i wouldn't think it'd be the same style on a player but still possible |
| 02:50:52 | diddystar5 | ok give me a minute to compile a simulator |
| 02:51:08 | ze | each char is 7 pixels tall |
| 02:51:24 | ze | so if you used 2 chars stacked on top of each other you've got 15 levels (counting 0) |
| 02:53:00 | diddystar5 | still youll see... |
| 02:53:17 | ze | i'm sure i will, but still like i said it could be a different style |
| 02:53:18 | ze | heh |
| 02:53:38 | ze | like a line or bar that goes up and down instead of a needling going back and forth or whatever it is |
| 02:53:53 | ze | better than nothing |
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| 02:55:02 | diddystar5 | argg the win32 sim won't compile since games_menu was removed... |
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| 02:55:08 | ze | heh |
| 02:55:27 | diddystar5 | but if you saw it you would see why it just wouldn't works |
| 02:55:48 | diddystar5 | but i think a simple peakmeter for the player is possible |
| 02:56:07 | * | diddystar5 might give that a try |
| 02:57:06 | Plugh | hi did |
| 02:57:10 | Plugh | thanks for the props |
| 02:57:28 | diddystar5 | sure plugh |
| 02:57:45 | diddystar5 | i have been thinking about the logarithmic scale |
| 02:57:55 | Plugh | oh? |
| 02:58:04 | diddystar5 | yes it sounds hard... |
| 02:58:13 | Plugh | I came to the same conclusion |
| 02:58:23 | Plugh | I found the formulae for it |
| 02:58:32 | diddystar5 | really? |
| 02:58:42 | Plugh | yeah. That's not the hard part |
| 02:58:51 | Plugh | I need to find a baseline |
| 02:59:06 | diddystar5 | so 0 volume? |
| 02:59:12 | Plugh | yeah |
| 02:59:22 | diddystar5 | i don't think thats very hard |
| 02:59:40 | Plugh | I need to find what the corresponding register value is to 0dB |
| 02:59:57 | Plugh | from there I can work the calculations |
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| 03:00:11 | Plugh | not 0 volume. 0dB |
| 03:00:15 | diddystar5 | make a simple plugin that displays the levle coming out of the mas_readreg code when there is nothing playing(or playing something with no volume) |
| 03:00:47 | Plugh | why? |
| 03:00:51 | Plugh | that's in the debug menu |
| 03:01:03 | diddystar5 | o n/m |
| 03:02:40 | diddystar5 | did you read that i wanted to set a button to go from lagarithmic to linear? |
| 03:02:50 | Plugh | yeah |
| 03:02:57 | Plugh | good call |
| 03:03:01 | Plugh | maybe f3 |
| 03:03:09 | diddystar5 | it works kinda well as is for listining to rock music |
| 03:03:22 | Plugh | sure. For any music |
| 03:03:37 | Plugh | it doesn't work well for levels monitoring though |
| 03:03:51 | Plugh | which is kinda the point of a vu meter, imo |
| 03:04:10 | Plugh | at least for my desired use |
| 03:04:29 | diddystar5 | Plugh: gotta go to order a pizza ill be back later |
| 03:04:34 | Plugh | ok |
| 03:04:38 | diddystar5 | bye! |
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| 09:11:01 | Il | hi everybody |
| 09:11:35 | Il | i've got a problem with my jukebox |
| 09:12:04 | Il | it doesn't pass the version screen |
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| 12:49:00 | jayjaye_ | can anyone tell me if the tiny delay between tracks is an architectural limitation of the archos? |
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| 13:10:59 | adi|home | nope |
| 13:11:09 | adi|home | its a factor of how you rip your mp3s |
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| 13:41:31 | jayjaye_ | i have no gaps in my mp3s, but i get gaps when listening on my archos |
| 13:41:57 | MT | gapless playback requires sequential mp3s |
| 13:42:08 | MT | you cant have gapless playback with non sequential mp3s |
| 13:42:18 | jayjaye_ | what does 'sequential' mean? |
| 13:42:29 | MT | track 1 is followed by track 3 |
| 13:42:30 | MT | er |
| 13:42:31 | MT | track 1 is followed by track 2 |
| 13:42:34 | MT | :)))))) |
| 13:42:37 | jayjaye_ | oh, i have that |
| 13:42:47 | jayjaye_ | i listen to them in order |
| 13:42:56 | jayjaye_ | and there is a tiny gap |
| 13:43:02 | jayjaye_ | you notice it on mixed cds |
| 13:43:03 | MT | how did you encocde them gapless? |
| 13:43:40 | jayjaye_ | i encoded them as i encode all my mp3s |
| 13:43:51 | jayjaye_ | but there is no gap at the end of the track |
| 13:43:54 | jayjaye_ | ie they play gapless on my pc |
| 13:44:00 | MT | (bear in mind that this is (mostly) fruitless, rockbox has very little to do with mp3s, we just feed raw data into a chip) |
| 13:44:04 | MT | what encoder tho |
| 13:44:10 | jayjaye_ | lame |
| 13:44:10 | MT | with what options |
| 13:44:24 | jayjaye_ | don't have them to hand, but it does play gaples on my pc |
| 13:46:36 | jayjaye_ | because it's such a small delay (about half a beat at 140bpm) i thought maybe it was an arch. limitation |
| 13:49:33 | MT | http://lame.sourceforge.net/tech-FAQ.txt may be relevant |
| 13:49:42 | MT | can i ask what kind of music it is? |
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| 14:50:32 | jayjaye_ | it's premixed dance music |
| 14:50:45 | jayjaye_ | so a delay is undesired |
| 14:52:11 | jayjaye_ | thanks for the FAQ |
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| 15:18:34 | dsg | Has anyone had problems with battery measurements with a flashed recorder? |
| 15:19:20 | dsg | After I flashed mine, it seems to drain batteries really fast. I just reflashed the original firmware, and the battery meter now shows 9%, where it showed 56% with rockbox flashed. |
| 15:19:39 | dsg | So I'm guessing it measures incorrectly so it stops charging too soon. |
| 15:22:19 | dsg | Hmh. And now it jumped to 33%. |
| 15:22:43 | dsg | But still, I just took it out of charging this morning, and used it maybe two hours. |
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| 16:16:24 | uski | hi all |
| 16:16:30 | uski | i'd like to know sth |
| 16:16:51 | uski | is the warrant sticker easy to remove ? and can it be sticked again ? |
| 16:17:01 | uski | i'd like to remove it, remove the screw hidden by it, then put the stocker on the hole |
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| 17:32:26 | uski | AAAAAAAHHH my newly bought recorder is not flashable |
| 17:32:29 | uski | GRRRRR |
| 17:32:40 | uski | damn i thought i could work on rockflash |
| 17:56:48 | uski | GRRR |
| 17:56:50 | uski | Filesystem panic (dev 08:01). |
| 17:56:50 | uski | fat_free: deleting beyond EOF |
| 17:56:50 | uski | File system has been set read-only |
| 17:56:54 | * | uski hates archos |
| 17:57:13 | uski | does anybody knows how to format the harddrive using linux ? |
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| 17:59:41 | dsg | uski: Sure... use mkfs.msdos |
| 17:59:57 | uski | ok thanks |
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| 18:00:09 | dsg | mkfs.msdis -F 32 for 32-bit FAT. |
| 18:00:13 | dsg | msdos even ;) |
| 18:00:29 | uski | btw: always mount your usb drives with the sync option... it will prevent a lot of trouble if you are forced to unplug the device.......... |
| 18:00:52 | dsg | Hm... yeah... I guess that's a good idea. |
| 18:01:02 | uski | mkfs.msdos /dev/sda1 ? |
| 18:01:07 | dsg | Also probably not that big a performance impact since it's so damned slow already. |
| 18:01:18 | dsg | I'd add "-F 32" to the commandline... |
| 18:01:22 | uski | ok |
| 18:01:29 | dsg | Otherwise yes. |
| 18:03:21 | uski | ok, let's do it then |
| 18:07:04 | uski | worked |
| 18:07:10 | uski | :)) thanks |
| 18:07:13 | webmind | oi |
| 18:07:16 | dsg | np |
| 18:07:16 | uski | io :) |
| 18:07:19 | dsg | webmind: Eyh. :) |
| 18:13:48 | * | webmind in munchen atm |
| 18:14:25 | dsg | webmind: k. |
| 18:14:32 | dsg | webmind: What are you doing there? |
| 18:14:38 | webmind | good question :) |
| 18:14:44 | webmind | crashinh for one |
| 18:14:48 | webmind | maybe something else |
| 18:14:50 | dsg | Mkay ;) |
| 18:14:54 | dsg | Sounds fun. |
| 18:14:55 | webmind | oktoberfest here it seems |
| 18:15:05 | webmind | dsg, i hope it'll be fun yes :) |
| 18:15:22 | webmind | there have been arests of some of the group during the trip :) |
| 18:15:35 | dsg | Oh? |
| 18:15:37 | dsg | What for? |
| 18:16:36 | webmind | uhm |
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| 18:16:45 | webmind | depends |
| 18:16:56 | webmind | this gut was in this one building |
| 18:16:58 | webmind | guy |
| 18:17:01 | webmind | with some people |
| 18:17:04 | webmind | then cops came |
| 18:17:09 | webmind | and arrested them |
| 18:18:23 | MP3glee | Hey- I have the newly redesigned Jukebox Player 20 V2 |
| 18:18:48 | MP3glee | Came with OS 1.40a |
| 18:19:25 | MP3glee | Trying to load ROCKbox on it |
| 18:19:49 | uski | MP3glee: and ? does something fails ? |
| 18:19:55 | MP3glee | Does not recognize (boot) the abjrec.ajz |
| 18:20:08 | MP3glee | ... or perhaps I haven't thought of something. |
| 18:20:09 | uski | yes, ajbrec.ajz is for RECORDERS :) |
| 18:20:19 | uski | you must use archos.mod for players |
| 18:20:26 | MP3glee | Oh, sorry, this is the Jukebox RECORDER 20 V2 |
| 18:20:37 | MP3glee | called Archos, they said uses the same system, |
| 18:20:43 | uski | hmmm |
| 18:20:51 | MP3glee | and should load firmware from AJBREC.AJZ |
| 18:20:55 | uski | you put the ajbrec.ajz on the root directory ? |
| 18:21:03 | MP3glee | Ype |
| 18:21:05 | MP3glee | yep |
| 18:21:17 | uski | stupid question: you restarted the recorder after doing so ? |
| 18:21:32 | uski | (off/on) |
| 18:21:35 | MP3glee | I'm a longtime Archos owner - owned the player/fmrecorder/recorder |
| 18:21:40 | MP3glee | Yep. Rebooted. |
| 18:21:50 | uski | ok.. |
| 18:21:51 | webmind | MP3glee, your a rich archos owner? :) |
| 18:22:28 | MP3glee | Not rich - My archos purchases are funded by trading in used audio equipment |
| 18:23:55 | MP3glee | Photo of new recorder at file://anonymous@sharphouse.dyndns.org/public/rec20v2.jpg |
| 18:24:02 | uski | brb, i have to reboot (my stupid belkin usb card does not want to work in usb 2.0 mode) |
| 18:24:28 | uski | you mean http:// instead of file:// |
| 18:24:40 | uski | ftp |
| 18:24:45 | MP3glee | No.. I mean ftp. Yep. |
| 18:25:31 | uski | (does not work for me, brb after rebooting) |
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| 18:25:33 | MP3glee | ftp://anonymous@sharphouse.dyndns.org/public/rec20v2.jpg |
| 18:25:58 | MP3glee | Manual at... |
| 18:26:33 | MP3glee | ftp://anonymous@sharphouse.dyndns.org/EN_Jukebox_Recorder_2_v10.pdf |
| 18:27:18 | dsg | Doesn't work here - we're both NATted out. |
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| 18:57:52 | MattF | Lo all! |
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| 19:05:02 | uski | hi again :) |
| 19:05:12 | uski | "it's me" |
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| 19:14:29 | uski | what is the difference between the normal daily build and the debug one ? |
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| 19:34:17 | elinenbe | just picked up a Rio Karma today −− piece of shit. |
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| 19:35:33 | uski | elinenbe: really ? what are the problems with these ? |
| 19:36:48 | MattF | Eek! My JB recorder 20 has started getting the HD register error |
| 19:39:54 | MattF | is there a way to master reset the Archos manually? I cant get it to load at all, not on batteries nor power adaptor or USB |
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| 20:29:56 | track1 | hello |
| 20:29:59 | uski | hi |
| 20:30:03 | track1 | hi Dsg and webmind |
| 20:40:17 | track1 | hiya |
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| 21:09:40 | yeft | i have a question... |
| 21:10:08 | yeft | is loading a new build to a flashed fmrec the same as loading to an unflashed fmr? |
| 21:11:04 | yeft | ... |
| 21:11:11 | yeft | im an idiot... bye |
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| 22:47:25 | track1 | hello |
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| 23:09:57 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: hi |
| 23:10:06 | uski | guess what: my newly received recorder 20 is NOT flashable ! |
| 23:10:08 | [IDC]Dragon | Heya! |
| 23:10:18 | uski | so i can't work on rockflash |
| 23:10:19 | [IDC]Dragon | ?? ?? |
| 23:10:22 | uski | yes |
| 23:10:26 | uski | ?? ?? exactly lol |
| 23:10:31 | uski | in hardware info :) |
| 23:10:44 | [IDC]Dragon | I've read from you in the log. |
| 23:10:49 | uski | hardware V1, mask 0x0302 |
| 23:10:55 | [IDC]Dragon | Sorry about it... |
| 23:10:57 | uski | and these stupid question marks |
| 23:11:13 | uski | yea that's annoying :( |
| 23:11:16 | [IDC]Dragon | Can you exchange it? |
| 23:11:32 | uski | even if i exchange it i'll get one from the same batch |
| 23:11:40 | uski | so there are 99% chances that it won't be flashable too |
| 23:12:42 | [IDC]Dragon | Do you know a recorder owner who doesn't care? |
| 23:12:49 | [IDC]Dragon | So you can swap? |
| 23:12:51 | uski | i have a 15 days satisfied or runfed warranty, but im not sure if it is worth sending it back to buy another recorder in another shop that might not be flashable too... |
| 23:13:14 | uski | no i don't; but that's a good idea, i might swap the cpu card |
| 23:13:18 | [IDC]Dragon | Another shop may have another batch |
| 23:14:12 | uski | yea but it took me weeks to get one, and im not sure i want to wait some other weeks to get another one (christmas is coming, and shops are cleaning their stock to create a lack of products so they can raise the price) |
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| 23:15:24 | uski | hmmmm i know somebody who has a recorder 15 ! but im not sure he will be ok to open it (warranty...) |
| 23:15:44 | [IDC]Dragon | Hmmm |
| 23:16:02 | uski | a good thing would be to print some others "warranty seal" stickers :) |
| 23:16:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I tried to revove the seal without destruction, but no success. |
| 23:16:10 | uski | im sure it can be done |
| 23:16:15 | uski | yea |
| 23:16:31 | uski | even by heating it ? |
| 23:16:32 | [IDC]Dragon | I tried alcohol and a heat gun |
| 23:16:39 | uski | hmm |
| 23:17:10 | [IDC]Dragon | but my tries were a bit half-hearted. |
| 23:17:32 | uski | i'll try to see if there is not a way to print some stickers |
| 23:17:38 | [IDC]Dragon | Would be difficult to claim warranty with my heavy-modded box anyway. |
| 23:17:49 | uski | heh ;) |
| 23:18:23 | uski | i want to wait 2-3 months before doing anything to my box, to see if there is not a big problem with it |
| 23:18:37 | uski | if it lasts 3 months, it is reasonable to expect it to last some years |
| 23:18:43 | uski | but if it fails after 1 month... |
| 23:18:43 | [IDC]Dragon | Maybe the most discreet thing would be to just remove the sticker without a trace that there's ever been one. |
| 23:18:52 | uski | yea |
| 23:19:12 | uski | or to print another stiocker that looks like a normal one |
| 23:19:26 | [IDC]Dragon | Mine was metallized |
| 23:19:30 | uski | poeple don't care a lot about it and they won't open another archos box to check if the sticker is the same |
| 23:19:39 | uski | mine is, but i saw some metallized paper on the net |
| 23:20:26 | uski | i'll see... and perhaps if they notice i removed it, i can trying to say "??? what ?" |
| 23:20:32 | uski | "i never removed anything" |
| 23:20:40 | uski | "perhaps there was not any sticker on it" |
| 23:20:42 | uski | :) |
| 23:20:56 | [IDC]Dragon | exactly. |
| 23:21:10 | uski | after all they might have forgotten to put one at the factory.. |
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| 23:21:27 | uski | but the problem is that if i start modding it, i'll do things like putting white leds for the backlight |
| 23:21:46 | uski | (but i may replace the leds with some green ones if i have to return it) |
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| 23:21:47 | [IDC]Dragon | not so good. |
| 23:22:01 | uski | why ? im bored of this stupid green color |
| 23:22:05 | [IDC]Dragon | they need higher voltage. |
| 23:22:15 | uski | yea |
| 23:22:16 | uski | 3.6v |
| 23:22:28 | uski | hmm |
| 23:22:30 | [IDC]Dragon | You'd have to cut traces to re-wire |
| 23:22:37 | uski | damn |
| 23:22:42 | [IDC]Dragon | Right now its 2 in series |
| 23:22:45 | uski | they putted the led in a serie arrangment ? |
| 23:22:50 | uski | ... ok |
| 23:23:02 | uski | i could place yellow leds then |
| 23:23:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Yes, saves power, you waste less on the current adjusting resistor. |
| 23:23:16 | uski | with a black bumpers box, all gray, it may look very cool |
| 23:23:20 | track1 | or how about put multicoloured leds? |
| 23:23:27 | uski | track1: what do you mean ? |
| 23:23:38 | uski | different colors ? |
| 23:24:00 | track1 | yea i.e 1 green led, one blue, one red and one wight |
| 23:24:02 | track1 | white |
| 23:24:04 | uski | it can be done but the problem is that they'll have a different forward voltage, so one led will be much brighter than the other |
| 23:24:20 | uski | also as [IDC]Dragon said, you can use only red green yellow and orange leds |
| 23:24:26 | uski | (or infrared leds lol) |
| 23:24:27 | [IDC]Dragon | These LEDs are really tiny, and mounted sideway. The ones in mobile phones are larger. |
| 23:24:55 | uski | no problem, im used to work with 0603 componentns and i already soldered 0402 resistors |
| 23:25:10 | [IDC]Dragon | It's something like this. |
| 23:25:12 | uski | but in the recorder it looks like 1206 aren't they ? |
| 23:25:23 | uski | in the player they are much smaller |
| 23:25:49 | [IDC]Dragon | But sideways, against manufacturers usual way. |
| 23:25:58 | uski | yea but it's not a problem too |
| 23:26:10 | uski | i have some sideways leds, but they are red and i don't want a red light |
| 23:26:17 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, I was just telling you. |
| 23:26:33 | uski | yeap ;) |
| 23:26:48 | * | uski thinks that his warranty sticker won't last long |
| 23:27:02 | [IDC]Dragon | The LEDs are normal chip scale, not meant to be sideways, but Archos is soldering them on the thin edge. |
| 23:27:20 | uski | oh ok |
| 23:27:29 | uski | lol |
| 23:27:37 | uski | one day i done this for 0805 smt capacitors |
| 23:27:50 | uski | i didn't have enough pcb space to put them so i mounted them sideway |
| 23:28:19 | uski | not very hard to do, but it must be a little harder to do with leds |
| 23:28:26 | [IDC]Dragon | I've seen this often for patching in damping resistors on a cut PCB |
| 23:28:43 | uski | yea |
| 23:28:46 | [IDC]Dragon | cut trace, I mean. |
| 23:28:48 | track1 | I wish Archos used Blue LEDS |
| 23:29:03 | uski | track1: blue leds need 3.6v |
| 23:29:12 | track1 | :-( |
| 23:29:14 | uski | and: they are mor expensive |
| 23:29:17 | [IDC]Dragon | I think white is the most reasonable, blue is just a current fashion. |
| 23:29:21 | uski | yea |
| 23:29:29 | uski | white is so cooool ;) |
| 23:29:47 | uski | also it would be great with the colors of the black bumpers archos |
| 23:29:53 | track1 | does that explain why the Rockbox website is blue? |
| 23:30:28 | uski | that's different |
| 23:30:37 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm happy I have black bumpers, blue looks so toy-ish |
| 23:30:43 | uski | exactly lol |
| 23:30:55 | uski | i thought i'll receive blue bumpers and i was very happy to get black ones |
| 23:30:59 | track1 | nah blue looks better |
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| 23:43:01 | track1 | Ive just realised |
| 23:43:05 | track1 | you lot on about LEDs |
| 23:43:15 | track1 | and theres the bug in Sourceforge Red LED dead!!! |
| 23:43:16 | track1 | hahahaha! |
| 23:48:32 | Plugh | I just placed an order for some cool LEDs |
| 23:48:41 | Plugh | got red, blue, orange, and UV |
| 23:49:48 | track1 | why not reprogram the firmware to change the LED colours? |
| 23:51:20 | * | Plugh pops track with a clue-by-four |
| 23:52:25 | track1 | lol |
| 23:52:33 | Plugh | when you find the pin on an LED that allows you to change the light output wavelength, let me know. We can make a FORTUNE together |
| 23:52:48 | track1 | actually get a felt-tip pen and colour the LEDs yourself!!! |
| 23:53:15 | * | Plugh hefts the clue-by-four |
| 23:53:19 | Plugh | time for another lesson |
| 23:53:38 | track1 | what? |
| 23:56:07 | Plugh | a thin veneer of ink isn't going to override the light output of a modern LED |
| 23:56:31 | Plugh | it's hardly going to affect the displayed color |
| 23:57:02 | Plugh | http://www.lsdiodes.com |
| 23:57:04 | Plugh | fun stuff |
| 23:57:30 | Plugh | more high power stuff than low |
| 23:58:09 | Plugh | and blue LEDs are expensive like 45 cents is expensive ;) |
| 23:58:58 | Plugh | they also have a min 2.8V forward voltage and draw around 20mA at that power |
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