| 00:00:04 | Dude | lol |
| 00:00:39 | Dude | ?-?-? |
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| 00:01:33 | Dude | I'll go and laugh my head off elsewhere unless you want to talk to me... |
| 00:01:44 | Dude | about life with bush and anything else |
| 00:02:05 | Dude | *OR anything else |
| 00:02:20 | Dude | *AND/OR anything else |
| 00:02:22 | Dude | lol |
| 00:02:27 | Dude | sorry. |
| 00:02:55 | Dude | but I'm ROMBLMAOOMH |
| 00:03:38 | Dude | *Rolling on my ball laughing my ass out of my head |
| 00:03:52 | Dude | I did NOT just say tht, did I? |
| 00:04:58 | Dude | Very interesting converstion, this, isn't it. With myself. Any of you care to say something more useful than ? |
| 00:05:44 | Dude | no. bye. |
| 00:05:51 | Dude | I'm sad to go. |
| 00:06:15 | Dude | if you do care, meet me in the unregistered channel #ssotm. |
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| 00:07:11 | Dude | UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Still not here!!!!!!!! Bye! |
| 00:07:21 | Dude | unless any of you protest... |
| 00:08:24 | Plugh | some of you guys need to get IM :) |
| 00:08:35 | Dude | I do |
| 00:08:38 | Dude | Yahoo |
| 00:08:46 | Dude | guess my name |
| 00:09:07 | Plugh | I couldn't presume |
| 00:09:15 | Dude | THEFIRSTDUDE02 |
| 00:09:18 | Dude | sorry for caps |
| 00:09:32 | Plugh | why are you 02 if you're thefirstdude? |
| 00:09:49 | Dude | and MK is Hotmail... |
| 00:10:08 | Dude | I am too, but... uhm... I don't have permission to use messenger |
| 00:10:19 | Dude | why am I 02? Because I wanted to be. |
| 00:10:52 | yeft | aim can do icq :) |
| 00:10:59 | Dude | it is a contradiction, tin't it. |
| 00:11:04 | Dude | DFon't got AOL |
| 00:11:18 | Dude | what's ICQ |
| 00:11:31 | Plugh | I use AIM mostly |
| 00:11:47 | Dude | what's ICQ? AIM? |
| 00:11:47 | Plugh | and occasionally ICQ, MSN, Yahoo |
| 00:12:04 | Plugh | other IM programs |
| 00:12:07 | Dude | yahoo? what are you? |
| 00:12:14 | Plugh | Plughie |
| 00:12:15 | Dude | WHO are you? |
| 00:12:19 | Dude | oh. |
| 00:12:48 | Dude | thanks! |
| 00:13:10 | Dude | Got my message? |
| 00:13:12 | Plugh | if I'm logged on at all, it's at home and I can't see it now |
| 00:13:19 | Plugh | actually |
| 00:13:24 | Dude | wha |
| 00:13:42 | Dude | \actually what? |
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| 00:13:59 | Plugh | I pulled up my home box |
| 00:14:02 | Plugh | remote control |
| 00:14:08 | Dude | oh |
| 00:14:09 | | Quit yeft ("|| ¥ n e m e s i s ¥ || v2.0 - by d0n - http://page.by/donquijote ||") |
| 00:14:10 | Plugh | but I didn't get the message |
| 00:14:15 | Dude | what? |
| 00:14:21 | Dude | I sent it to plughie |
| 00:14:23 | Dude | IM |
| 00:14:38 | Plugh | I think my privacy options don't allow it |
| 00:14:46 | Dude | oh |
| 00:14:50 | Dude | change them |
| 00:15:02 | Dude | what privacy settings anyways? |
| 00:15:58 | Dude | 1q |
| 00:16:16 | Plugh | ok |
| 00:16:19 | Plugh | I added you |
| 00:16:24 | Dude | what? oh |
| 00:17:21 | Dude | got em |
| 00:17:22 | Dude | ? |
| 00:17:33 | Dude | *got em? |
| 00:17:39 | Plugh | oddly, no |
| 00:17:45 | Dude | huh |
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| 00:17:49 | Dude | stwange |
| 00:17:56 | Plugh | maybe Yahoo broke Trillian again |
| 00:17:59 | Dude | what all these persons quitting? |
| 00:18:12 | Dude | brok Trillian...?????????????????????????????? |
| 00:18:50 | Plugh | yep |
| 00:18:57 | Plugh | yahoo is broke under trillian |
| 00:19:06 | Dude | which means/....? |
| 00:19:10 | Plugh | they're working on it |
| 00:19:18 | Dude | wh ois |
| 00:19:26 | Plugh | Cerulean Studios |
| 00:19:35 | Dude | which are |
| 00:19:50 | Dude | sorry for my ignorance |
| 00:19:59 | Plugh | the people who write Trillian |
| 00:20:04 | Plugh | circular logic here :) |
| 00:20:06 | Dude | which is |
| 00:20:09 | Plugh | www.trillian.cc |
| 00:20:28 | Dude | I'm too lazy to push the IE button on my keyboard |
| 00:20:54 | Dude | oh well |
| 00:21:01 | Plugh | it combines MSN, ICQ, AIM, Yahoo, and IRC |
| 00:21:11 | Plugh | all in one program with one contact list |
| 00:21:42 | Dude | so I see |
| 00:21:47 | Dude | I looked on the site |
| 00:21:55 | Dude | sounds too good to be true |
| 00:22:07 | Plugh | it's actually really well done |
| 00:22:10 | Dude | but I only have MSN and Yahoo |
| 00:22:21 | Plugh | but Yahoo is broken in the free version right now |
| 00:22:26 | Dude | so I don't need it, nor care about |
| 00:22:35 | Dude | then use yahoo direct |
| 00:22:44 | Plugh | obviously you use IRC too |
| 00:23:06 | Dude | uh, we're on IRC now, so yeah |
| 00:23:13 | Dude | only the trial of the client though |
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| 00:23:34 | Dude | now, why were you gone for seven minutes? |
| 00:23:50 | Plugh | eh? |
| 00:24:02 | Dude | was talking to AciD |
| 00:25:13 | Dude | who's MT? |
| 00:26:07 | Dude | why every time I come here are there always Plugh, Schneuff, uski, webmind, ze, mecraw_, Galik etc |
| 00:26:30 | Dude | BTW how do you pronounce Plugh? |
| 00:27:04 | Dude | A |
| 00:27:07 | Dude | B |
| 00:27:08 | Galik | Dude: Because I 'autoconnect' to this channel when I boot my computer :) |
| 00:27:09 | Dude | C |
| 00:27:15 | Dude | OH |
| 00:27:28 | Dude | you have always-on WWW? |
| 00:27:31 | Dude | broadband? |
| 00:28:00 | Plugh | Ploo with a gutteral gh |
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| 00:28:16 | Dude | Pl-ooooh? |
| 00:28:16 | Plugh | or just Ploo, for the gutterally challenged |
| 00:28:37 | Dude | I pronounced it Pl-euh |
| 00:28:47 | Dude | with a funny thing on the ugh |
| 00:29:09 | Dude | wha staet you live? |
| 00:29:11 | Plugh | like a ch, but softer and in the back of the tongue |
| 00:29:12 | Dude | me MI |
| 00:29:14 | Plugh | California |
| 00:29:25 | Dude | I thougth so for some reason |
| 00:29:42 | Dude | just... who you would vote for? |
| 00:29:44 | Plugh | probably because I've said it 100 times in this channel |
| 00:29:53 | Plugh | Ahnold |
| 00:29:59 | Dude | not while I weas here |
| 00:30:03 | Dude | what isuspected |
| 00:30:04 | Plugh | but they fucked up my voter registration |
| 00:30:12 | Dude | how> |
| 00:30:14 | Dude | ? |
| 00:30:29 | Plugh | I put in a change of address, but they never sent me a confirmation |
| 00:30:39 | Dude | oh |
| 00:30:47 | Dude | so you're over 16 |
| 00:30:55 | Plugh | I'm over 30 |
| 00:31:00 | Dude | oh |
| 00:31:13 | Dude | just you never know round these places |
| 00:31:17 | Plugh | I have a wife and 2 step-kids |
| 00:31:18 | Dude | on the web |
| 00:31:25 | Dude | huh! |
| 00:31:25 | Plugh | oldest is 19 |
| 00:31:32 | Plugh | youngest 17 |
| 00:31:48 | Dude | so your wife, therefore I presume, is over 40. |
| 00:31:57 | Plugh | um no |
| 00:32:00 | * | Kamayaka slaps Dude around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:32:15 | Dude | oh. |
| 00:32:27 | Dude | where you got the trout from? |
| 00:32:44 | Kamayaka | you know asterix and obelix the fish dealer :) |
| 00:32:58 | Dude | sort of... |
| 00:33:00 | Plugh | I love Asterix and Obelix |
| 00:33:10 | Kamayaka | it´s where the fish comes from |
| 00:33:20 | Dude | I've never gotten it in a language in which I undersdtand it fully |
| 00:33:27 | Dude | so you said |
| 00:33:30 | Plugh | heh. I understood it in German |
| 00:33:51 | MT | <o~Dude> who's MT? <<−− me |
| 00:33:55 | Dude | well, It's soret of... I read it in Hebrew. |
| 00:34:01 | Kamayaka | lol |
| 00:34:08 | Dude | uh, thanks. who's that? |
| 00:34:17 | Dude | (to MT) |
| 00:34:29 | Kamayaka | gonna get to bed, hopefully i´ll meet idc dragon some day :) |
| 00:34:35 | MT | MT is ~MT@no.beer.for.beating.me.uk * Tom Evans |
| 00:34:44 | Plugh | he'll show up 5 mins after you leave |
| 00:34:46 | Dude | oh. |
| 00:34:47 | Plugh | just watch |
| 00:34:48 | Plugh | :) |
| 00:34:55 | Kamayaka | okay :) |
| 00:35:03 | Kamayaka | i´m leaving coming back in 5 minutes ! |
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| 00:35:15 | MT | is there a feature request for an email reader yet? |
| 00:35:27 | Plugh | probably not |
| 00:35:33 | Dude | it's uhmm, 3:36 over there |
| 00:35:33 | Plugh | but... why? |
| 00:35:41 | MT | i was planning on doing one |
| 00:35:44 | Dude | I want to read your email! |
| 00:35:52 | Dude | OH! |
| 00:35:54 | MT | (not a request, a plugin) |
| 00:35:57 | Plugh | I'm a system administrator |
| 00:36:01 | Plugh | I read your email |
| 00:36:02 | Dude | a thing that reads your emal |
| 00:36:25 | MT | its only a specialised text viewer after all |
| 00:36:35 | Plugh | somewhat |
| 00:36:53 | Dude | h, what the point of a text viewer for Windows? |
| 00:37:04 | Dude | it has a couple, deosn't it. |
| 00:37:14 | MT | sure, parse the headers, display the body |
| 00:37:29 | Dude | that reminds me... I fyou wish to dig a bit in this forum, you |
| 00:37:41 | Dude | 'll find something about a text viewer |
| 00:38:06 | Dude | http://pub82.ezboard.com/bblackeyesoftware56428 |
| 00:38:10 | Dude | byue |
| 00:38:15 | Dude | gonna have dinner |
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| 00:38:24 | MT | some sort of 'folder browser' to browse 'imap' folders |
| 00:39:03 | MT | and a little perl script to extract email from said imap server and place on rockbox, and sync it etc |
| 00:39:30 | Plugh | MT: I think you'd have to use maildir |
| 00:40:13 | Plugh | imap isn't going to work unless you write a TCP/IP driver for the archos, over USB |
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| 00:40:24 | Kamayaka | and ? |
| 00:40:30 | Plugh | you haven't left yet |
| 00:40:31 | Plugh | :) |
| 00:40:36 | Plugh | you were hanging around |
| 00:40:43 | Kamayaka | should i go and get another fish ? :) |
| 00:40:45 | MT | erm |
| 00:40:47 | MT | Plugh |
| 00:41:07 | Plugh | try a herring |
| 00:41:07 | MT | <MT> is there a feature request for an email reader yet? |
| 00:41:13 | MT | reader |
| 00:41:16 | MT | not a client |
| 00:41:21 | Kamayaka | herring hua |
| 00:41:31 | Kamayaka | finally gonna go get some bed :) |
| 00:41:34 | Kamayaka | cya |
| 00:41:35 | | Quit Kamayaka (Client Quit) |
| 00:41:38 | MT | id use a host PC to extract messages into a format and style that suits us |
| 00:41:43 | Plugh | I know. But you're still going to need to have the data stored somewhere |
| 00:41:46 | Plugh | use maildir |
| 00:41:58 | Plugh | established standard |
| 00:42:07 | MT | for personal computers |
| 00:42:09 | Plugh | you can just tar it up and untar to the archos |
| 00:42:19 | MT | not for embedded devices with 64k of usable ram |
| 00:42:33 | MT | plus i dont use maildir on my server |
| 00:42:38 | MT | so not likely to do that :) |
| 00:42:38 | Plugh | that's why you'd need to use maildir |
| 00:42:46 | Plugh | because mbox would be friggin huge |
| 00:42:54 | MT | i wouldnt use EITHER |
| 00:43:07 | Plugh | why not? |
| 00:43:15 | MT | because i dont need either |
| 00:43:19 | Plugh | maildir is just folders and subfolders |
| 00:43:36 | Plugh | and individual files representing individual messages |
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| 00:44:04 | Plugh | pretty much exactly what you're looking to do with your mailbox file converter |
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| 01:10:37 | Plugh | mid |
| 01:10:41 | Plugh | ding |
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| 01:16:29 | midknight2k3 | oh hi |
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| 01:28:45 | diddystar5 | sup plugh |
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| 01:29:44 | Plugh | hi did |
| 01:29:46 | Plugh | what's up |
| 01:30:03 | diddystar5 | nothing |
| 01:30:25 | diddystar5 | have you tried my new "changes to new .rockbox browseing patch" |
| 01:30:54 | Plugh | nope. I don't even have the browsing patch |
| 01:31:13 | diddystar5 | it's in CVS now |
| 01:31:25 | Plugh | ah. guess I need to checkout and pop off a build |
| 01:31:45 | diddystar5 | lots of people were complaining about it taking up all the menus, so i made some changes that make it alot beter! |
| 01:33:52 | Plugh | October 6, 2003 −− A sick game called "hogging" - in which men |
| 01:33:52 | Plugh | try to score with heavyset women - is all the rage in Cleveland. |
| 01:34:16 | Plugh | "It's just easier. You're not embarrassed getting shot down by |
| 01:34:18 | Plugh | them. You're not embarrassed when they leave," one player, Mark, |
| 01:34:18 | Plugh | 26, told clevescene.com. |
| 01:34:35 | diddystar5 | err... kinda sick... |
| 01:37:22 | diddystar5 | rockbox has to many patches to see my new patch, you have to click the "next 50" button |
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| 01:46:43 | diddystar5 | hey adi |
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| 01:54:42 | Plugh | hehe |
| 01:54:57 | diddystar5 | what? |
| 01:55:24 | Plugh | oh, the patch flood |
| 01:55:25 | Plugh | :) |
| 01:55:32 | diddystar5 | yep... |
| 01:55:51 | Plugh | tree.c:88: parse error before '<<' token |
| 01:55:51 | Plugh | tree.c:92: parse error before '==' token |
| 01:55:51 | Plugh | tree.c:820: conflicting types for `dirbrowse' |
| 01:55:51 | Plugh | tree.c:91: previous declaration of `dirbrowse' |
| 01:55:51 | Plugh | tree.c: In function `dirbrowse': |
| 01:55:53 | Plugh | tree.c:1217: `start_wps' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:55:56 | Plugh | tree.c:1217: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 01:55:58 | Plugh | tree.c:1217: for each function it appears in.) |
| 01:56:01 | Plugh | tree.c: In function `bookmark_play': |
| 01:56:03 | Plugh | tree.c:1528: `start_wps' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:56:06 | Plugh | make[1]: *** [/home/plugh/archos/rockbox/build/tree.o] Error 1 |
| 01:56:09 | Plugh | bloody hell |
| 01:56:15 | diddystar5 | haha |
| 01:56:28 | diddystar5 | what did you do? :) |
| 01:56:30 | Plugh | oh |
| 01:56:33 | Plugh | I see |
| 01:56:40 | Plugh | bookmarks.diff |
| 01:57:01 | diddystar5 | zagor said the bookmarks used way to much stack |
| 01:57:02 | Plugh | dir browse changes aren't compatible with bookmark |
| 01:57:17 | Plugh | yeah, it's a bit piggy |
| 01:57:25 | Plugh | but the functionality is SO nice |
| 01:58:02 | diddystar5 | i haven't used it since it first came out |
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| 01:58:29 | diddystar5 | does anyone have a player here? i need someone to test a game! |
| 01:59:05 | tpelliott | Has anyone had trouble with the battery covers on the JBR20? |
| 01:59:20 | diddystar5 | nope |
| 01:59:30 | diddystar5 | what are your troubles? |
| 01:59:52 | diddystar5 | gotta go... |
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| 02:24:14 | Dude | gdang it! Bye! |
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| 02:47:08 | kenm92 | hello |
| 02:47:11 | kenm92 | can someoe help me |
| 02:47:28 | kenm92 | my archos jukebox 20 is really messed up |
| 02:51:36 | kenm92 | nevermind then |
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| 11:44:54 | track | morning galik |
| 11:45:07 | Galik | hi track |
| 11:45:17 | Galik | r u tracktheripper? |
| 11:52:24 | track | yes |
| 11:53:34 | track | why are there so many people here and so little chat? |
| 11:56:38 | Galik | Well I connect to the channel automatically when my pc boots. I'm often off doing other things |
| 11:57:08 | Galik | Perhaps it's because rockbox works so well :) |
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| 12:02:57 | track | yea |
| 12:03:08 | track | rockbox still has a couple of missing features |
| 12:09:52 | Galik | hehe yeah like making the toast :) |
| 12:10:19 | * | Galik wonders whether that would be possible through the usb... |
| 12:10:21 | track | I never filed such a request |
| 12:11:02 | dwihno | Galik: nah, but using serial communication it should be possible |
| 12:11:34 | track | all you have to do is perform a few full formats then the Archos will heat up enough to burn bread.... |
| 12:11:43 | Galik | lol |
| 12:12:27 | track | there was a feature request "tea maker" once |
| 12:13:11 | Galik | Well if tea maker ever gets implemented then toast is a must! |
| 12:13:29 | track | the tea maker was rejected :-( |
| 12:13:35 | Galik | bah |
| 12:13:52 | track | actually the "war stopper" request should be implemented |
| 12:14:03 | Galik | what's that? |
| 12:14:09 | Galik | oh i see |
| 12:15:00 | track | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=705949&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
| 12:15:24 | Galik | lol |
| 12:16:29 | track | or how about a software touchscreen? |
| 12:17:12 | Galik | Might make the archos go haywire when it's in my pocket |
| 12:17:24 | track | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=706783&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
| 12:19:24 | track | Could the LCD ever be replaced with a colour LCD like the one found in a digital camera? |
| 12:20:31 | Galik | doubt it |
| 12:22:59 | track | so you could watch movies on the Archos? :-) |
| 12:24:32 | track | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=622395 |
| 12:27:01 | Galik | that could prolly be done. i'd like that feature |
| 12:28:21 | track | yea but did u read the comments? |
| 12:29:08 | Galik | yes. but i'd draw my own icons for my albums so they'd be distinctive |
| 12:29:22 | Galik | you could even have a CDDB type repository of them |
| 12:29:32 | Galik | so people couold share them |
| 12:29:43 | track | lol |
| 12:29:49 | track | a 5x7 1 bit image? |
| 12:29:54 | Galik | they don't have to be the 'original' cover picture |
| 12:30:04 | track | lo |
| 12:30:04 | track | lol |
| 12:30:09 | Galik | the FM recorder has a bigger screen than that |
| 12:30:10 | track | u tell Zagor that :-) |
| 12:30:27 | track | yea but what abou the Player? |
| 12:30:27 | track | :-) |
| 12:30:39 | Galik | player? who cares :P |
| 12:30:43 | Galik | j/k |
| 12:31:55 | track | :-( |
| 12:33:37 | track | whats wrong wiv the Player? |
| 12:33:44 | track | they are still being made |
| 12:34:30 | Galik | Nothing wrong with it. It's just that I don't own one so it doesn't affect me ;) |
| 12:35:04 | track | lol |
| 12:35:12 | track | Ive noticed Archos no longer make the FM Recorder |
| 12:35:54 | Galik | shame. what would i do if i droped mine off a cliff? |
| 12:36:16 | Galik | >> other than jump down to find it... |
| 12:36:42 | track | they still make the normal Recorders and Players |
| 12:37:10 | Galik | i think the FM bit wasn't really worth it. I never use the radio |
| 12:37:38 | track | they still make the Ondio which has a radio tuner built in! |
| 12:37:53 | Galik | besides there must be some players out there that do ogg by now... I'd prolly have to buy one of them |
| 12:38:06 | track | ogg is very hard to decode |
| 12:38:17 | Galik | it's my most important feature |
| 12:38:25 | ze | rio karma, baby |
| 12:38:35 | Galik | yes but now i think there is a h/w decoder |
| 12:38:38 | track | even in Soundforge it took ages to make an Ogg file from a WAV file |
| 12:38:51 | ze | and there's some other one that does ogg too |
| 12:38:58 | track | and besides, I feel MP3Pro has better sound quality than Ogg |
| 12:39:05 | track | ive compared MP3Pro to Ogg |
| 12:39:14 | ze | heh |
| 12:39:16 | Galik | well i can't justify buying a new one till my archos goes tits up |
| 12:39:23 | track | and theres always WMA :-) |
| 12:39:42 | ze | i haven't heard anything to indicate that mp3pro's really even any better than mp3 |
| 12:39:44 | Galik | MP3Pro is nonfree |
| 12:39:59 | Galik | Besides even mp3 is good enough quality for me |
| 12:40:01 | ze | beside the fact that ogg vorbis is free and more future-oriented |
| 12:40:04 | track | well an MP3Pro file at 64kbs has similar sound quality to an MP3 at 128kbs |
| 12:40:12 | Galik | you never tell through tiny headphones anyway |
| 12:40:29 | ze | ok here's the other one that plays ogg, the neuros neurosaudio.com |
| 12:40:55 | ze | track: yeah supposedly, i hear it's just some silly voodoo to do a crappy replacement of frequencies it cuts out |
| 12:40:55 | Galik | archos should really think about ogg for future players |
| 12:41:06 | track | :-) |
| 12:41:48 | ze | my pda plays ogg |
| 12:42:03 | ze | it's just too bad it doesn't have an HD, and despite that also only has a couple hours battery life |
| 12:42:07 | ze | heh |
| 12:42:09 | Galik | so did mine before someone swaped it for a broken one |
| 12:42:42 | ze | but yeah that neuros player does vorbis, and so does/will the rio karma which looks mad sexy |
| 12:43:13 | Galik | are they likely to be programable like the archos? |
| 12:43:17 | ze | the karma's what i would get next if i were to upgrade any time soon |
| 12:43:34 | Galik | do they run linux? |
| 12:43:37 | ze | heh |
| 12:43:50 | ze | hell if i know, go look it up if you're interested |
| 12:43:52 | ze | heh |
| 12:46:15 | track | :-) |
| 12:46:28 | track | but Archos are still adamant about supporting MP3 only |
| 12:46:37 | track | they aren't interested in WMA or Ogg or MP3 Pro |
| 12:46:58 | Galik | then i won't buy archos when mine bites the dust |
| 12:47:11 | Galik | neuros looks like the business |
| 12:47:26 | track | yea what you have to realise is that the Neuros is prob SDMI compliant |
| 12:47:32 | track | the Archoes are not SDMI compliant |
| 12:47:46 | ze | i dunno about that |
| 12:47:57 | Galik | I don't have a problem with that. |
| 12:48:06 | ze | my friend's all into the neuros, always talking about it and wishing he had one |
| 12:48:12 | Galik | If the mp3 is not digitally stamped than it can't be stopped |
| 12:48:29 | ze | and i don't think he'd go for one that had anything shitty like that about it |
| 12:48:29 | ze | heh |
| 12:48:34 | Galik | So I can rip my own CD's still |
| 12:48:46 | track | yes but like on the Creative Labs Nomad it prevents you uploading MP3s to someone elses's PC |
| 12:49:04 | ze | i've got a zen |
| 12:49:08 | ze | afaik it don't prevent anything |
| 12:49:19 | track | not only that the Archos is the only HD player Im aware of that supports drag and drop in My Computer |
| 12:49:22 | Galik | Hmmm doubt it. The synchronization software is Open Source i think |
| 12:49:30 | track | with the Zen you have to use the shitty Playcenter software |
| 12:49:41 | track | I had a Nomad once and the Playcenter kept fucking up my PC |
| 12:49:41 | ze | with the zen i use a commandline util in linux |
| 12:49:47 | ze | it's nice i don't even have to mount or umount it |
| 12:49:47 | track | so I took it back and got the Archos |
| 12:49:55 | track | and ive been happy ever since Ive had it |
| 12:50:39 | Galik | well i have to go out. cu later ppl |
| 12:50:44 | track | How long does the Archos take to boot up? 10 seconds? |
| 12:50:59 | Galik | less |
| 12:51:06 | ze | i'm rather fond of my zen actually |
| 12:51:25 | ze | there's also some 3rd party crap for windows for transferring files to/from it |
| 12:51:39 | track | when I had a Nomad if you fill the HD up, it takes 2 minutes to startup whilst it checks all the files! |
| 12:51:40 | ze | that's either a windows explorer-like interface or actualy makes windows explorer work for it, or there's both, i forget |
| 12:51:55 | track | thereby draining a lot of power from the batteries |
| 12:51:59 | ze | my zen updates it's database as tracks are transferred |
| 12:52:04 | track | and the battery life was shitty at 4 hours anyway |
| 12:52:15 | ze | and it's got nice 12+ hour battery life |
| 12:52:24 | ze | it boots up like instantly too |
| 12:52:37 | track | my Archos has a 14hour battery life with the 2000Mah batteries |
| 12:52:38 | ze | when it shuts off it goes into like a sleep mode or something |
| 12:52:45 | ze | and comes right back up when you turn it on |
| 12:52:53 | ze | unless you leave it off for like a few days |
| 12:53:13 | ze | then it turns off further and takes a few seconds to boot next time |
| 12:53:32 | track | cool |
| 12:53:34 | ze | sound quality's great too |
| 12:53:39 | track | I use Windows Media Player to make my playlists |
| 12:53:44 | track | far far easier than Musicmatch |
| 12:53:51 | ze | has some nifty little processing too that i never use |
| 12:54:01 | ze | can do timescaling and EQ and reverb and shit |
| 12:54:16 | track | so what? |
| 12:54:17 | ze | i build my playlists on the zen |
| 12:54:21 | track | the Archos can alter the playback speed |
| 12:54:31 | ze | it's really super easy, i love it's playlist building |
| 12:54:44 | ze | you can sit there and throw on exactly what you want real quick |
| 12:55:10 | ze | want to listen to all of an artist? just click add to play over the artist |
| 12:55:14 | track | yea but the Zen has non-removable non-standard battery |
| 12:55:15 | ze | same for an album or a genre |
| 12:55:30 | track | when the battery dies you are fucked |
| 12:55:45 | ze | not necessarily |
| 12:55:53 | ze | depends on your warranty/service plan and such |
| 12:56:02 | ze | unless you mean just like when it's drained |
| 12:56:12 | track | i mean when it no longer holds its charge |
| 12:56:14 | ze | then you just gotta recharge it, oh well |
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| 12:56:32 | track | the Archos uses batteries that are readily available |
| 12:56:33 | ze | ah yeah, well lithium ion's are generally covered under warranty or service plans |
| 12:56:49 | track | not that I think the Zen looks like an old-fashioned Walkman |
| 12:57:35 | ze | heh well i never really look at it much, it's in my pocket most of the time |
| 12:57:46 | ze | but it's blue EL-backlit screen is nice |
| 12:58:09 | ze | and the jog wheel's cool |
| 12:58:18 | ze | or scroll wheel or whatever you wanna call it |
| 12:58:37 | ze | it's much quicker than any other way i've seen to scroll through lists |
| 12:58:46 | ze | cause you can spin it real quick and jump way far through it |
| 12:59:08 | track | well i still think its a boring design |
| 12:59:31 | ze | and it's suprisingly usable with either single hand |
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| 13:00:13 | track | yea but the Archos is shock-proof with its blue corners |
| 13:00:18 | ze | indeed |
| 13:00:31 | ze | that and rockbox are the only thing i miss about the archos |
| 13:00:38 | track | i bet if you drop your Zen on a concrete floor it smashes to smithereens |
| 13:00:44 | ze | nah |
| 13:00:50 | ze | the whole case is aluminum |
| 13:01:00 | ze | well except for the joining part around the edge |
| 13:01:00 | track | yea but it will still scratch |
| 13:01:20 | ze | which appears to be some sortof hard rubberyish plastic |
| 13:01:21 | track | the blue Bumpers protect the Archos's metal chassis from hitting terra firma ..... |
| 13:01:41 | ze | yeah |
| 13:01:58 | ze | i do wish it had bumpers, but oh well |
| 13:02:17 | track | and the most important feature........... |
| 13:02:19 | track | ROCKBOX!!! |
| 13:02:20 | track | :-P |
| 13:02:32 | ze | i didn't have much of a choice in the matter, it was either the zen or drive to another store to get an fm rec |
| 13:02:37 | ze | and honestly the fm rec's suck, the zen's way better |
| 13:02:47 | track | lol |
| 13:02:52 | track | anyway im off nice chatting |
| 13:02:54 | track | be good |
| 13:02:55 | track | :-) |
| 13:02:57 | ze | except for a few of the nice recorder features, my old studio20 was better than the fm |
| 13:03:01 | ze | heh |
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| 13:03:05 | ze | bye |
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| 15:15:17 | Kama | heyaho |
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| 15:15:38 | dwihno | Way! |
| 15:25:10 | webmind | oi |
| 15:28:33 | dsg | webmind: Eyh ;) |
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| 15:29:31 | webmind | ej dsg |
| 15:29:37 | webmind | dsg, hows your recorder ? |
| 15:29:44 | * | webmind thinking he might just buy one :) |
| 15:33:50 | webmind | damn.. still expensive |
| 15:40:53 | dsg | webmind: It's nice... but I've hit a small prob (not sure if it's rockbox or the recorder). |
| 15:41:07 | webmind | what thern? |
| 15:41:11 | dsg | It's only happened twice, but still... it stops playing. |
| 15:41:31 | dsg | But when I push buttons and such, the backlight goes on and such. |
| 15:41:38 | webmind | odd |
| 15:41:41 | dsg | And I push pause, the play icon turns to a pause icon. |
| 15:41:44 | webmind | i've had the same problem though |
| 15:41:48 | webmind | i think it might be rock box |
| 15:41:54 | dsg | But it looks like it's locked up, because the off and on buttons don't return to the browser. |
| 15:41:59 | dsg | webmind: Could be. |
| 15:42:02 | webmind | but i thaugt it was my batteries |
| 15:42:15 | webmind | thought |
| 15:42:47 | dsg | webmind: Well... I bought new batteries (2000mAh GP batteries) with the player, so... |
| 15:43:00 | dsg | And put them in. Originals haven't had a charge yet. |
| 15:43:02 | webmind | then there shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:43:09 | webmind | heh |
| 15:43:28 | webmind | btw u there sunday or no ? |
| 15:44:25 | dsg | Yeah. |
| 15:44:34 | dsg | Or I think I should be here. |
| 15:44:43 | dsg | You thinking of popping by? |
| 15:45:27 | webmind | er |
| 15:45:36 | webmind | i meant klaphek meeting :) |
| 15:45:41 | dsg | Ah, mkay ;) |
| 15:45:45 | dsg | Sure, I could do that. |
| 15:45:46 | webmind | got a new toy btw |
| 15:45:49 | dsg | In Utrecht again? |
| 15:45:54 | dsg | Oh, what is it? |
| 15:45:55 | webmind | pen with a knife hidden in it |
| 15:46:09 | dsg | Nice. |
| 15:46:14 | dsg | Got it in kroatia? |
| 15:46:20 | webmind | customs here in .nl is apearently quite lazy :) |
| 15:46:22 | webmind | nope |
| 15:46:23 | webmind | post order |
| 15:46:28 | dsg | Hehe ;) |
| 15:47:33 | dsg | Too bad flashed rockbox not working properly on the recorder though. |
| 15:48:57 | webmind | its not ? |
| 15:51:15 | dsg | Big problems with charging. |
| 15:51:39 | dsg | It measures the battery completely wrong, so it stops charging when it's far from full. |
| 15:51:52 | dsg | Like recently it was ~26% and it thought it was 100%, so it stopped charging |
| 15:52:19 | webmind | aah |
| 15:52:19 | webmind | suz |
| 15:52:27 | webmind | sux |
| 15:52:46 | dsg | Yeah. Really strange though... in all other ways it works beautifully (just over 2s bootup). |
| 15:53:11 | webmind | toobad it doesnt really work for player.. |
| 15:53:34 | dsg | Yeah... did they have different flash chips or something? |
| 15:55:58 | webmind | dont think so |
| 15:56:06 | webmind | but too little people devving i think |
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| 16:08:35 | dsg | Ah. |
| 16:08:44 | dsg | (Sorry, a little loesje meeting ;) |
| 16:08:46 | dsg | Back now. |
| 16:09:45 | webmind | wb |
| 16:11:00 | dsg | Just figured one good thing about having vmware on the laptop though (have it for quarkxpress for poster&bulletin layout). |
| 16:11:10 | dsg | I can play Planescape: Torment ;) |
| 16:11:17 | dsg | Before we get our VCR. |
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| 16:15:56 | Track | hello |
| 16:16:50 | Track | hell Ze |
| 16:16:54 | Track | sorry Hello Ze |
| 16:20:50 | webmind | oi |
| 16:26:07 | Track | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 16:26:16 | Track | I told you not to address a man as "oi!" |
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| 20:42:57 | track | hi |
| 20:43:14 | Plugh | hi |
| 20:43:21 | track | hey plugh |
| 20:43:22 | track | :D |
| 20:43:34 | track | I was argueing with Ze earlier on |
| 20:43:53 | Plugh | regarding? |
| 20:44:05 | Plugh | I should scroll back, but I'm feeling too lazy right now |
| 20:44:14 | track | him saying his Zen is better than the Archos |
| 20:44:40 | Plugh | hardware wise, I probably wouldn't argue with him |
| 20:45:11 | Plugh | Archos makes pieces of cold-soldered junk with cheap batteries |
| 20:45:30 | Hadaka | what's Zen? does it run rockbox? |
| 20:45:50 | track | Plugh the Archos is NOT cold-soldered junk |
| 20:46:06 | track | My Recorder is over a year old and it is bomb-proof compared to the Nomad I used to have |
| 20:46:17 | Hadaka | my recorder is |
| 20:46:30 | Hadaka | I've soldered some contacts back together a couple times now |
| 20:46:32 | Plugh | track: I saw some of the solder joints inside my unit. |
| 20:46:44 | track | you prob have an early Player |
| 20:46:51 | Plugh | I would have been ashamed to release anything of that level of quality |
| 20:46:53 | Hadaka | track: I have the recorder 20 |
| 20:46:55 | Plugh | I have an FMR |
| 20:47:12 | track | well the FMR is a crap unit anyway |
| 20:47:19 | track | im talking about the normal Recorders |
| 20:47:22 | Plugh | so I've noticed |
| 20:47:23 | track | Archos no longer make the FMR |
| 20:47:29 | Plugh | sorta |
| 20:47:35 | track | the normal Recorders are bomb-proof |
| 20:47:47 | Plugh | they moved the recorder 20 into the same case with the same exploding battery |
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| 20:48:09 | track | what? |
| 20:48:16 | Plugh | don't get me wrong. I haven't had any problems with mine |
| 20:48:16 | track | my battereis have never exploded |
| 20:48:37 | Plugh | my battery is swollen |
| 20:48:48 | track | LMFAO!!! |
| 20:48:54 | Plugh | it's a matter of time before it cracks the screen, and there's nothing I can do about it |
| 20:48:59 | Plugh | but wait for it to happen |
| 20:49:02 | track | heehee |
| 20:49:30 | Hadaka | butbut, what's the Zen? |
| 20:49:38 | Plugh | until then, though, I'm more than happy with the performance |
| 20:49:57 | Hadaka | ah, found it |
| 20:50:17 | Plugh | I just feel like it's teetering on the verge of a hardware disaster |
| 20:50:36 | track | the FMR has no digital out, just digital in |
| 20:50:53 | track | any why oh why did they put the headphone socket on the SIDE of the FMR and not the TOP |
| 20:51:06 | Plugh | got me |
| 20:51:17 | Plugh | side has been fine |
| 20:51:22 | Plugh | so far |
| 20:51:50 | Plugh | I just turn it top down into the neoprene case and run the zippers around to the side |
| 20:52:38 | Hadaka | ah, so zen is just nomad's try at the same thing - no bonus for me since no rockbox |
| 20:54:25 | track | yea |
| 20:55:06 | track | There is a way you can make your Archos crossfade |
| 20:56:15 | Plugh | nope |
| 20:56:20 | track | simply connect it to the USB and the songs in Windows Media Player with the crossfading in Windows Media Player turned on |
| 20:56:24 | Plugh | there's only one decoder stream |
| 20:56:56 | track | i mean connect the archos to the usb, and play all your songs in Windows Media Player with the crossfading in Windows MEdia Player turned on |
| 20:57:24 | Plugh | oh. sure |
| 20:58:20 | Plugh | I wouldn't want to do it in USB 1 mode though ;) |
| 20:59:16 | track | im doing mine in USB1 mode now and it works great |
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| 21:00:07 | Plugh | you can |
| 21:00:10 | Plugh | I wouldn't want to |
| 21:01:21 | Plugh | woot. Realized I had a 20gig drive in an old broken-down Creative Nomad |
| 21:01:38 | Plugh | my laptop can be upgraded now from 4 to 20 |
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| 22:04:25 | Plugh | hi |
| 22:07:02 | track | hi |
| 22:08:29 | track | read the contents of zip folders |
| 22:09:04 | MT | err |
| 22:09:15 | MT | just got the funniest reply to an email ive sent to rockbox mailing list |
| 22:09:27 | track | lol |
| 22:09:30 | track | wot? |
| 22:09:36 | MT | Hey there, thanks for answering my ad. I'm out and about and on the road and would love to connect. Call me at 510-415-2552. |
| 22:09:36 | MT | Grif |
| 22:09:42 | MT | i mean |
| 22:09:44 | MT | wtf?! |
| 22:10:08 | MT | was in reply to the message about autorebooting on panic messages |
| 22:10:32 | Plugh | they're in Oakland :) |
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| 22:10:49 | track | what you could do is dump your MP3s into compressed zip folders thereby saving HD space without losing quality as zip folders use lossless compression |
| 22:11:17 | Plugh | mp3 doesn't compress |
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| 22:13:54 | track | well I put an MP3 that was 6,000kb into a zip folder and it compressed it to 5990kb |
| 22:14:04 | track | reduced it by 10k |
| 22:15:53 | Plugh | oh |
| 22:15:55 | Plugh | umm |
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| 22:16:04 | Plugh | not worth the decompression overhead |
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| 22:16:14 | track | and if you put zip folders into zip folders into zip folders into zip folders save even more HD space!!! |
| 22:16:54 | track | ok |
| 22:17:02 | Plugh | do it enough times and you'll get it down to 1k |
| 22:17:29 | track | how about putting MP3s into cabinet files since cabinet files use LZW compression which is much more efficient than zip compression :-) |
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| 22:18:10 | Plugh | hey Dragon |
| 22:18:11 | Plugh | ltns |
| 22:18:22 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi! |
| 22:18:38 | [IDC]Dragon | "ltns" ??? |
| 22:18:44 | Plugh | long time no see |
| 22:18:50 | [IDC]Dragon | ah! |
| 22:19:12 | [IDC]Dragon | right, I was more on the couch watching TV in my evenings. |
| 22:19:25 | Plugh | figured as much |
| 22:19:33 | Plugh | TV is the mind killer |
| 22:19:49 | track | yea Plugh you could use cabinet files instead |
| 22:20:04 | [IDC]Dragon | ususally, but not always. |
| 22:20:38 | uski | hi all |
| 22:20:54 | Plugh | hm, what is my next language to learn? |
| 22:21:02 | Plugh | just finished Spanish |
| 22:21:03 | [IDC]Dragon | C++ |
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| 22:21:55 | Plugh | French? German? Mandarin? Japanese? Arabic? Russian? |
| 22:22:12 | [IDC]Dragon | Smalltalk? Ruby? |
| 22:23:10 | uski | Plugh: is you learn, french i could help you ;)) |
| 22:23:23 | uski | wow it's late, let me redo it: |
| 22:23:45 | [IDC]Dragon | uski, lean english ;-) |
| 22:23:50 | [IDC]Dragon | learn |
| 22:23:59 | uski | Plugh: if you learn french i could help you ;)) |
| 22:24:05 | [IDC]Dragon | (I need, too) |
| 22:24:08 | Plugh | I was thinking of French or German |
| 22:24:15 | uski | much better |
| 22:24:15 | uski | gtg |
| 22:24:15 | uski | seeya |
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| 22:24:34 | Plugh | I took French in school 21 years ago |
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| 22:24:48 | uski|aw | [IDC]Dragon: :) |
| 22:24:53 | scott666 | i took french in school 5 hours ago |
| 22:24:53 | Plugh | and German 14-16 years ago |
| 22:25:07 | scott666 | heh |
| 22:25:09 | uski|aw | german is much more usefull that spanish (i think) |
| 22:25:19 | uski|aw | heh so it won't be a "cold start" |
| 22:25:20 | Plugh | not in California |
| 22:25:33 | Plugh | I finished my Spanish course |
| 22:26:02 | Plugh | now I can speak enough to find out how to get a beer and where to piss it out |
| 22:26:14 | scott666 | all you need |
| 22:26:20 | Plugh | pretty much |
| 22:26:45 | Plugh | Donde esta el Ban~o? |
| 22:27:12 | Plugh | Quiero una cerveza. |
| 22:27:37 | Plugh | Quantos coesta? |
| 22:27:56 | Plugh | 30 pesos? Bien! |
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| 22:46:46 | Plugh | that was nice |
| 22:47:02 | Plugh | my 20gig drive is half the size and weight of my 4 |
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| 23:14:57 | Dogger | hi anyone know how to do serial firmware update? |
| 23:18:54 | [IDC]Dragon | guess I do ;-) |
| 23:21:48 | Dogger | ok what settings do I need etc? |
| 23:22:11 | Dogger | also is there any off the shelf line level converter? or do I *have* to build one |
| 23:22:17 | [IDC]Dragon | just of curiosity, or why are you asking? |
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| 23:23:33 | Dogger | I'd rather buy one if poss |
| 23:23:40 | Dogger | I have made one for my playstation before |
| 23:23:46 | Dogger | used to program it |
| 23:24:30 | [IDC]Dragon | So, can you use that? |
| 23:24:40 | Dogger | yeah prolly |
| 23:25:02 | Dogger | how do I know the connections to make to the archos? |
| 23:25:06 | [IDC]Dragon | Do you have to UART-boot? |
| 23:25:08 | Dogger | doesnt seem to say in the mod |
| 23:25:24 | Dogger | ok I'll come clean... I'm doing work on the AV |
| 23:25:36 | Dogger | so yeah I need to work out the serial |
| 23:26:06 | [IDC]Dragon | but not my UART boot, tight? |
| 23:26:12 | [IDC]Dragon | right? |
| 23:26:34 | [IDC]Dragon | that's most likely very different. |
| 23:27:44 | [IDC]Dragon | Everybody, different subject: is there a good ogg -> mp3 converter? |
| 23:30:56 | Dogger | huh? |
| 23:31:09 | Dogger | yeah I know AV will be different, but they will prolly have used similar stuff |
| 23:31:34 | Dogger | cant find out connections to archos for a start |
| 23:32:23 | [IDC]Dragon | RS232 connections and UART boot are different things, you know? |
| 23:33:11 | [IDC]Dragon | the UART boot is very specific to the JBR, with the 3 LCD lines pulled low. |
| 23:33:29 | [IDC]Dragon | For an AV, you won't have these lines... |
| 23:34:43 | Dogger | ok, I cant find the UART boot info |
| 23:34:49 | Dogger | where is it on the site? |
| 23:35:05 | Dogger | how did you find out about the lines? by REing the rom? |
| 23:35:29 | [IDC]Dragon | yes. |
| 23:35:40 | [IDC]Dragon | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/uart_boot/ |
| 23:35:54 | [IDC]Dragon | (but it won't help you!) |
| 23:36:19 | Dogger | sure I know it won't |
| 23:36:30 | Dogger | so is the serial cable any use without that mod? |
| 23:36:36 | Dogger | does their OS send any info on it? |
| 23:36:48 | Dogger | any things you can send to do stuff? |
| 23:37:02 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, you can use gdb |
| 23:37:18 | [IDC]Dragon | or play with the Archos flash monitor. |
| 23:37:20 | Dogger | but with the standard archos firmware I mean |
| 23:38:41 | [IDC]Dragon | You can try to hookup a serial to the AV, if you find out if and where this goes, and just listen. |
| 23:39:01 | [IDC]Dragon | But don't expect similarities to the JBR. |
| 23:39:09 | [IDC]Dragon | It's a different CPU. |
| 23:39:48 | Dogger | any ideas which cpu it is? |
| 23:40:02 | Dogger | I know the dsp/lcd chip/dram etc |
| 23:40:04 | [IDC]Dragon | Maybe a TI OMAP. |
| 23:40:49 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm shure it's TI. |
| 23:40:49 | Dogger | hmm ok, will have a look for that |
| 23:40:55 | Dogger | the DSP is a TI |
| 23:41:01 | Dogger | havent found the cpu yet |
| 23:41:14 | [IDC]Dragon | A DSP is a CPU. |
| 23:41:37 | Dogger | what the DSP does everything? |
| 23:41:41 | [IDC]Dragon | OMAP is an ARM core together with a TI DSP in a SOC. |
| 23:41:47 | Dogger | o ok, |
| 23:42:09 | Dogger | well in that case, its a TMS320 I believe |
| 23:42:14 | Dogger | got a photo of it somewhere |
| 23:42:50 | Dogger | hmmm am new to these kind of devices |
| 23:42:56 | Dogger | I'm used to games consoles etc |
| 23:43:15 | Dogger | www.axod.net/archos.html |
| 23:43:49 | Dogger | also know the USB2.0/ATA/ATAPI bridge chip it uses |
| 23:43:55 | Dogger | so I'm making some progress lol |
| 23:43:59 | [IDC]Dragon | neat box! |
| 23:44:39 | Dogger | yeah it's got a lovely screen + joystick |
| 23:44:49 | Dogger | I was expecting a cpu + a dsp |
| 23:44:50 | [IDC]Dragon | can you make closeups of the chips? |
| 23:45:05 | Dogger | yeah I have the original images - 6Megapixels |
| 23:45:14 | Dogger | I have all the chips noted down |
| 23:45:21 | Dogger | have got datasheets on most |
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| 23:45:38 | Dogger | imagine how please I was when I put it back together and it still worked! |
| 23:45:59 | [IDC]Dragon | That Atmel chip looksno good. |
| 23:46:21 | Dogger | oh yeah thats an isp |
| 23:46:29 | Dogger | has another name as well |
| 23:46:32 | [IDC]Dragon | They make FPGAs, so any sort of custom stuff could be inthere. |
| 23:46:44 | Dogger | 64 subsection things |
| 23:46:53 | Dogger | there is another chip like it |
| 23:47:02 | Dogger | but surely thats just reprogrammable if you want to |
| 23:47:19 | Dogger | as I understand it you program the chip tell it what you want it to do, then get it to do it? |
| 23:47:48 | Dogger | the ISSI is 8Megabyte DRAM x2 |
| 23:47:52 | [IDC]Dragon | Very simplified, yes. |
| 23:47:55 | Dogger | so got 16meg ram to play with |
| 23:48:18 | Dogger | ok but ur saying if they have programmed it with odd stuff we dont know about, it will be hard to use |
| 23:48:27 | Dogger | unless we reprogram it from scratch |
| 23:49:20 | [IDC]Dragon | Are you in VHDL anf FPGA synthesis? |
| 23:49:24 | [IDC]Dragon | and |
| 23:51:48 | Dogger | nope not yet |
| 23:51:57 | Dogger | I just wanna write some games for it for a start though |
| 23:52:03 | Dogger | not a complete replacement o/s |
| 23:52:07 | Dogger | *yet* |
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| 23:52:48 | [IDC]Dragon | This box would indeed be a very cool platform, if Archos opens it. |
| 23:53:10 | Dogger | I'm working on that |
| 23:55:15 | Dogger | even without their help I will work it out |
| 23:55:58 | [IDC]Dragon | Hmm, if it's not buit from standard chips which are documented, I don't see that. |
| 23:56:12 | Dogger | yeah but the dsp is standard |
| 23:56:19 | Dogger | the screen driver is standard |
| 23:56:25 | Dogger | the usb2.0/ata is standard |
| 23:56:38 | Dogger | ok, so some stuff may take longer |
| 23:56:47 | Dogger | but you can do a lot with just those chips |
| 23:56:55 | [IDC]Dragon | The ISP has 64 macrocells. No FPGA, not big, but enought to give you a very hard time. |
| 23:57:16 | [IDC]Dragon | Have you identified the CPU yet? |
| 23:57:21 | Plugh | well, turns out the hd in my old broken nomad was 6gig. Still an improvement over 4 in my laptop, and it's half the size and weight |
| 23:57:44 | Dogger | the TI DSP chip? http://www.axod.net/pics/ftree/archos//m2-011.jpg |
| 23:58:08 | Dogger | I have the full number written down somewhere |
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