#rockbox 2003-11-05

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#rockbox log for 2003-11-05

00:16:50		Nick LinusN\|lurk is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
00:17:31	Mode	"#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:18:35	LinusN	top_bloke: "generic buttonbar functionality" means that i have moved the f-key bar code from the keyboard text entry code to a more generic place, so it can be used by other code
00:19:03	top_bloke	ok thanks
00:19:15	top_bloke	i thought it was some change to what the f buttons do
00:19:19	LinusN	not yet
00:19:22		Quit thedude02 ()
00:19:47	top_bloke	its planned though?
00:19:52	LinusN	yes
00:20:05	top_bloke	ok cool
00:20:33	LinusN	http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-08/0584.shtml
00:22:06	top_bloke	no more quick screens?
00:23:15	LinusN	not if i get to decide
00:23:22	LinusN	zagor likes them though
00:23:23	top_bloke	i think there should be a button that dumps u back to the wps no matter how many menus deep you are
00:24:08	top_bloke	like youre in main->sound->bass, you have to hit f1 3 times to get out
00:25:01	LinusN	yeah, i know
00:25:23	top_bloke	i'd be cool if u could hit 1 button to get out
00:25:30	top_bloke	it'd
00:25:43	LinusN	the problem is that we don't have many keys to play with
00:25:51	LinusN	especially not on the Player
00:26:01	top_bloke	ah
00:26:27	top_bloke	well f1 isnt doing anything in that setup
00:26:46	LinusN	f1 is a good candidate
00:26:50	top_bloke	and the players have to use off i guess
00:29:27		Join midknight2k3 [0] (lala@AC991CB2.ipt.aol.com)
00:29:36	midknight2k3	hillo
00:29:53	LinusN	helo
00:30:31	top_bloke	hi
00:30:40	top_bloke	mid
00:30:49	midknight2k3	hi top
00:31:13	top_bloke	u do anything toward the animated menus?
00:31:26	midknight2k3	nah
00:31:33	top_bloke	u should
00:31:35	midknight2k3	first my fm radio patch
00:31:39	midknight2k3	deadline: tonight
00:31:40	top_bloke	boo
00:31:46	top_bloke	uh oh
00:31:57	midknight2k3	what
00:32:01	midknight2k3	its almost done
00:32:04	top_bloke	nothing
00:32:09	top_bloke	u got a deadline
00:32:15	midknight2k3	its almost done
00:32:21	top_bloke	i see
00:32:41	midknight2k3	you do indeed
00:33:26	top_bloke	certainly
00:33:37	midknight2k3	of course
00:33:54	top_bloke	without question
00:33:55	LinusN	indeed
00:34:03	midknight2k3	for sure
00:34:08	LinusN	absolutely
00:34:13	midknight2k3	positively
00:34:14	top_bloke	undeniably
00:34:22	midknight2k3	uh..
00:34:25	midknight2k3	for surely
00:34:28	top_bloke	yes
00:34:29	top_bloke	no
00:34:34	midknight2k3	affirmatively
00:34:35	top_bloke	that dont count
00:34:37	top_bloke	i win
00:34:39	top_bloke	damn
00:35:33	top_bloke	i got nothing
00:35:42	midknight2k3	lol
00:35:57	top_bloke	i thought i had it
00:41:15		Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-158-225-55.mia.bellsouth.net)
00:42:32	midknight2k3	hi jet
00:43:20	midknight2k3	Jet8810
00:43:29	Jet8810	hey midknight!
00:43:35	Jet8810	haha, yea you blued my xchat tab )
00:43:52	midknight2k3	?
00:43:57	midknight2k3	oh lol
00:44:04	Jet8810	when somebody says my exact user name, tab has blue text to get my attention
00:44:04	Jet8810	:)
00:44:17	midknight2k3	good
00:44:23	midknight2k3	now i know
00:44:32	midknight2k3	i set mine to make a ding sound if anyone says my name or any variation
00:44:46	midknight2k3	ie, mk, midk, midknight, mid, midk2k3, midknight2k3...
00:45:03	LinusN	mid range speakers
00:45:06	LinusN	(bing)
00:45:16	midknight2k3	try again linus
00:45:47	LinusN	mid range speakers
00:45:51	LinusN	(bing bing)
00:45:53	midknight2k3	hahah
00:45:54	midknight2k3	yeah
00:45:59	midknight2k3	and the tab turns green
00:46:00	Jet8810	yea
00:46:07	Jet8810	im listning to radio anyway
00:46:10	midknight2k3	mid range speakers.. hee
00:49:00		Part top_bloke
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00:49:36		Quit midknight2k3 (Excess Flood)
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00:51:19		Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com)
00:52:08	midknight2k3	hi scott
00:52:25	scott666	hey
00:52:36	midknight2k3	got an fmr right
00:52:43	scott666	yeah
00:52:54	scott666	god the chp8 games are horrible
00:52:55	scott666	lol
00:53:07	midknight2k3	lol
00:53:08	top_bloke	yes they are
00:53:40	scott666	i tried em all out today
00:53:46	midknight2k3	my fm radio patch will work well
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01:05:16		Nick midk2k3 is now known as midknight2k3 (lala@AC91CD15.ipt.aol.com)
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01:24:05		Join zsqare [0] (~huszcak@c-24-125-81-212.va.client2.attbi.com)
01:24:17	zsqare	is there any way i can fix a hard drive?
01:24:21	zsqare	instead of buying a new one?
01:24:29	midknight2k3	is it broken?
01:24:31	scott666	whats wrong with it?
01:24:35	zsqare	cuz i'm pretty sure it is physically broken
01:24:42	zsqare	it makes a clicking noise
01:24:43	zsqare	as it runs
01:24:50	midknight2k3	sounds broken to me
01:24:52	scott666	is it the default one?
01:24:52	zsqare	and displays the typical hd error
01:24:58	zsqare	default what?
01:25:01	scott666	HD
01:25:03	zsqare	yeah
01:25:10	zsqare	the hitachi
01:25:11	scott666	they make funny noises
01:25:11	midknight2k3	scott's all over this guy
01:25:12	midknight2k3	lol
01:25:46	zsqare	anyway, is there any way to repair it
01:25:53	zsqare	or do you need "special" training
01:25:54	scott666	no
01:26:02	midknight2k3	not really
01:26:13	scott666	if its physicially broken all you can do is replace it
01:26:20	zsqare	any suggestions for replacements?
01:26:20	scott666	or sell it on ebay "as is"
01:26:32	zsqare	(hard drives)
01:26:38	zsqare	right now i've got the 10 gb
01:26:45	scott666	how much do you need?
01:26:49	zsqare	well
01:26:55	zsqare	at least the 10
01:26:56	zsqare	but
01:27:01	scott666	i want to upgrade cause i now have more than 20gb of mp3s
01:27:01	zsqare	if its gonna cost me
01:27:13	scott666	so i'd go for a 60gb
01:27:13	zsqare	20 bucks more for something significantly larger
01:27:20	scott666	but if you only need 10...
01:27:23	zsqare	well
01:27:36	zsqare	i've got about 8 gb of mp3's
01:27:40	scott666	id say go for the best deal within your pricerange/needs
01:27:44	scott666	www.pricewatch.com
01:27:49	zsqare	and have a 20 gb hard drive
01:27:55	zsqare	so probably 30 would be good
01:28:03	midknight2k3	IBM travelstar 80gb 5400rpm $500 high end super powerful ultra cool drive?
01:28:14	midknight2k3	just a suggestion
01:28:20	scott666	does it meet all the power reqs?
01:28:41	midknight2k3	hehe
01:28:53	scott666	if its 5400 i would guess not
01:29:13	zsqare	i'm lookin for an EIDE drive right?
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01:30:07	scott666	make sure its a 2.5 inch one
01:30:10	zsqare	k
01:30:15	scott666	9.5mm
01:30:29	midknight2k3	5400rmp ones work too
01:30:51	Norrin	Has anyone been on the Archos website lately? What's the FM Recorder V2?
01:30:59	midknight2k3	fm recorder v2?
01:31:01	midknight2k3	not good
01:31:03	LinusN	you mean Recorder V2
01:31:09	Norrin	Yep.
01:31:19	Norrin	What's the difference versus V1
01:31:24	LinusN	it's a repackaged recorder
01:31:26	midknight2k3	v2 is rockbox proof
01:31:34	scott666	i see 20GBs for around $90
01:31:40	LinusN	v2 is based on the fm recorder design
01:31:46	LinusN	with liion battery etc
01:31:46	midknight2k3	AND rockbox proof
01:32:01	midknight2k3	when will they learn, rockbox HELPS them sell
01:32:02	scott666	i thought we fixed it?
01:32:04	midknight2k3	they are losing customers
01:32:15	midknight2k3	that's the recorders with V2 boot rom we fixed i think
01:32:22	midknight2k3	if you could call it "fixed"
01:32:25	LinusN	but the funniest thing is that the current batch of v2 recorders they are selling are in fact FM recorders
01:32:37	midknight2k3	minus fm
01:32:38	midknight2k3	lol
01:32:39	LinusN	midknight2k3: v2 boot has nothing to do with it
01:32:42	Norrin	I can't even find any documentation on it.
01:32:44	midknight2k3	i know
01:32:44	LinusN	midknight2k3: not minus fm
01:32:50	midknight2k3	i think thats what scott was referring too
01:32:51	scott666	the radio is a for-pay downloadable plugin
01:32:54	LinusN	the FM is there!
01:32:54	midknight2k3	not minus fm?
01:33:00	midknight2k3	oh yeah
01:33:08	LinusN	but the arshos firmware hides it
01:33:15	midknight2k3	scott: you download stuff for the gmini
01:33:19	midknight2k3	not the rec v2
01:33:32		Quit zsqare ()
01:33:38	scott666	im sure i read that somewhere
01:33:45	Norrin	Anyone messed with the Gmini yet? Looks cool but probably another failed attempt by Archos.
01:34:15	midknight2k3	scott666: no, that is indeed for the Gmini
01:35:20	LinusN	rockbox on the recorder v2 enables the fm radio :-)
01:35:50	midknight2k3	i thought rockbox wont run on it
01:35:53	midknight2k3	right?
01:35:53	scott666	would we need separate builds for v2 recorders?
01:36:05	LinusN	however, next production batch of the v2 will probably not have the fm radio chips mounted
01:36:10	LinusN	scott666: yes
01:36:19	midknight2k3	linus: you mean we broke into it
01:36:20	midknight2k3	?
01:36:27	midknight2k3	rockbox does run on it?
01:36:37	midknight2k3	i thought it wasn't gonna happen
01:36:44	LinusN	the v2 recorder needs a different scrambler
01:37:01	LinusN	but it is 100% compatible with the fm recorder firmware
01:37:04	midknight2k3	how can you scramble it without knowing how?
01:37:14	LinusN	because i know how
01:37:16	midknight2k3	i thought there was no firmware file
01:37:20	thedude02	I think he does know how
01:37:22	midknight2k3	i read about it at funmp3 players
01:37:29	midknight2k3	dude: very observant
01:37:49	midknight2k3	you should be a detective! :D
01:38:01	LinusN	as soon as archos published the firmware filem it wasn't hard to figure out
01:38:08	midknight2k3	they published it?
01:38:10	midknight2k3	haha
01:38:11	LinusN	yes
01:38:13	midknight2k3	i didnt know that
01:38:20	thedude02	lol
01:38:22	midknight2k3	they keep feeding you the stuff you want
01:38:33	midknight2k3	here's the firmware - make rockbox run on it
01:38:35	LinusN	http://www.archos.com/download/firmware.html
01:39:01	LinusN	the thread on funmp3players continued after you read it
01:39:17	midknight2k3	probably
01:39:19	midknight2k3	it looked dead
01:39:33	LinusN	http://www.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=7114&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Getting+Back+To+Rockbox+%2D+AJBRec20v2&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=False&S=True
01:39:43	LinusN	http://www.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=7119&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=New+Recorder+Version+2+has+FM&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=False&S=True
01:39:43	thedude02	looks are often deceivingh
01:39:53	thedude02	lol@address
01:39:57	midknight2k3	dude: once more, very observant
01:39:59	thedude02	false=true
01:40:04		Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)")
01:40:07		Join track [0] (jirc@ACBB72C2.ipt.aol.com)
01:40:42	track	hi
01:40:43	Norrin	Another question: If you got tired of the Archos FM Recorder, what other MP3 player would you consider?
01:40:58	LinusN	the scrambling algorithm hasn't changed
01:41:00	midknight2k3	wow
01:41:02	midknight2k3	hi track
01:41:10	track	hi mid
01:41:13	midknight2k3	no dude
01:41:16	thedude02	IF I had an archos I would probably get an iPod
01:41:21	midknight2k3	m is false, s is true
01:41:24	LinusN	only a field in the header, probablky to make sure that the user doesn't install the wrong firmware
01:41:28	midknight2k3	dude: use rockbox before you speak
01:41:30	track	Norrin what about one of the Nomad Zens?
01:41:30	thedude02	ah
01:41:45	LinusN	i'm not sure what i would use
01:41:48	track	or the iRiver
01:41:54	thedude02	good point
01:42:04	midknight2k3	linus
01:42:13	track	LinusN do the ch8 games have sounds?
01:42:14	LinusN	i would never use a device with DRM, or a device that required a special database program to load it with songs
01:42:18	LinusN	track: no
01:42:18	midknight2k3	have you merged the recorder v2 firmware into the original recorder firmware?
01:42:23	track	ok
01:42:27	LinusN	midknight2k3: no use
01:42:29	midknight2k3	i see no additional category
01:42:33	midknight2k3	fm recorder firmware then?
01:42:45	LinusN	the fm and v2 firmware are the same
01:42:47	thedude02	I think I would stay with my current one: my Dell Axim X5 Pocket PC
01:42:50	track	linusN maybe said devices will find it compulsory to have DRM in the future
01:42:50	midknight2k3	ok
01:42:56	Norrin	I actually looked at one. Whatever player I replace my Archos with needs to show up as a drive so I don't have to use special software to transfer files.
01:42:56	LinusN	all i need is to scramble them differently
01:42:59	midknight2k3	dude: what, 64mb of mp3's
01:43:00	midknight2k3	haha
01:43:14	thedude02	no
01:43:20	thedude02	300MB of MP3s
01:43:20	midknight2k3	32mb?
01:43:27	midknight2k3	or 20gb mp3s
01:43:33	track	Norrin the Archos is the only player that has basic drag and drop
01:43:33	midknight2k3	i choose 20gb.
01:43:33	thedude02	I have a 256MB SD card
01:43:36	LinusN	300mb is still a laugh
01:43:38	track	the others require software
01:43:42	midknight2k3	lol
01:43:52	thedude02	and I could get a 4GB Microdrive
01:44:01	LinusN	STILL a laugh :-)
01:44:06	midknight2k3	haha
01:44:13	midknight2k3	archos whips that
01:44:16	thedude02	4.3GB
01:44:17	track	but they are pushing memory cards up to 10Gb
01:44:26	midknight2k3	can your x5 have a VU METER?
01:44:30	thedude02	yeah
01:44:34	thedude02	DU meter
01:44:34	midknight2k3	not really
01:44:49	thedude02	dunno if they made one for the Windows Mobile 2003 yet
01:44:54	midknight2k3	they didnt
01:44:58	midknight2k3	why would they
01:45:05	thedude02	good point
01:45:09	thedude02	but why would I want one
01:45:18	midknight2k3	because your x5 is so cool right
01:45:24	track	what about the archos AV units?
01:45:25	midknight2k3	anyways
01:45:27	thedude02	yeah
01:45:29	midknight2k3	fm patch out in a few...
01:45:34	thedude02	it's out of make now
01:45:37	thedude02	unfortunately
01:45:45	thedude02	it was the best PPC around
01:45:48	thedude02	CF and SD
01:45:48	midknight2k3	in the meantime, linus, we removed peak_meter_playback(true)?
01:45:49	track	well theres the Ondio
01:45:53	track	that has FM
01:46:02	midknight2k3	err enabled i think
01:46:35	Norrin	Gotta go, thanks for the info. You guys still Rock. I would have trashed my Archos long ago if it weren't for Rockbox!
01:46:43	midknight2k3	lol
01:46:43	LinusN	good to hear
01:46:48	midknight2k3	dude needs to learn that too
01:47:01	LinusN	midknight2k3: i don't know what would look best
01:47:04	track	midknight don't forget the ipod has a huge fan base
01:47:14	midknight2k3	track
01:47:18	midknight2k3	i held an ipod a few days ago
01:47:18	thedude02	well I dont have an archos nor do I want an MP3 player
01:47:21	LinusN	playback(true) is probably best
01:47:22	midknight2k3	what a hunk of garbage
01:47:30	track	why?
01:47:31	thedude02	I dont give
01:47:34	track	it has a metal chassis
01:47:41	midknight2k3	track: its stupid
01:47:44	track	ok
01:47:49	thedude02	opininons
01:47:51	LinusN	thedude02: ...and whay are you here then??? :-)
01:47:52	thedude02	going
01:47:52	midknight2k3	rest your finger on the buttons and bam, oops i forgot they're SENSORS
01:48:00	track	lol
01:48:05	midknight2k3	so fussy
01:48:09	thedude02	ot
01:48:09	track	the main wheel is also a touchsensitive thing
01:48:12	midknight2k3	press it easy and it goes, press it hard then it goes
01:48:15	midknight2k3	i know
01:48:17	midknight2k3	too jumpy
01:48:21	midknight2k3	press it once, it wont move
01:48:27	midknight2k3	press it twice, it works twice
01:48:29	midknight2k3	all over the place
01:48:32	thedude02	dont give
01:48:33	midknight2k3	bad idea
01:48:34	thedude02	dont care
01:48:36	midknight2k3	dude: fine
01:48:42	thedude02	dont want mp3 player
01:48:42	track	im not sure about the devices with built-in batteries
01:48:46	midknight2k3	ok then
01:48:49	thedude02	yeah
01:48:51	track	once the battery is dead you are stuffed
01:48:55	thedude02	that's a good point
01:48:56	midknight2k3	track?
01:49:04	track	yea?
01:49:04	midknight2k3	they battery gets you stuffed once per 5 years
01:49:08	midknight2k3	they last a while you know
01:49:16	thedude02	yeah but
01:49:18		Quit Norrin ()
01:49:21	track	yea but what if you use your mp3 device heavily all day like mine?
01:49:23	midknight2k3	dude: are you the spectator or something
01:49:29	track	the battery will wear out faster
01:49:32	thedude02	exactly
01:49:37	midknight2k3	track: as a music server for your old ladies?
01:49:41	midknight2k3	dude: please
01:49:48	track	they are not old ladies you faggot
01:49:54	midknight2k3	"GASP"
01:50:18	midknight2k3	i always remember you told me that your roomates were old ladies
01:50:27	track	they are NOT old ladies
01:50:30	track	so behave
01:50:34	midknight2k3	you behave
01:50:36	thedude02	room ates..............
01:50:47	midknight2k3	good thing i finally digured out how to use ignore
01:50:54	midknight2k3	when dude was bugging me out of my brains
01:51:01	track	lol
01:51:10	track	midknight you fret far too easily
01:51:17	midknight2k3	fret?
01:51:18	thedude02	you dont know me
01:51:20	midknight2k3	you were mean to me
01:51:24	midknight2k3	we know you dont
01:51:25	midknight2k3	i know you
01:51:31	thedude02	if you did you would do the same as he didd
01:51:34	thedude02	sigh
01:51:37	track	mid is dude picking on u?
01:51:45	thedude02	was
01:51:46	midknight2k3	not really
01:51:48	thedude02	no morw
01:51:49	midknight2k3	should he be?
01:51:57	thedude02	yeah]
01:52:00	thedude02	JK
01:52:06	track	midknight try speaking a bit nicer to everyone :-)
01:52:14	midknight2k3	ok track
01:52:18	thedude02	yeah he should
01:52:18	midknight2k3	how are your roomates?
01:52:19	track	good
01:52:26	track	very well thanks
01:52:28	midknight2k3	great
01:52:32	track	;-)
01:52:38	midknight2k3	and your air plane bus driving job?
01:52:49	midknight2k3	which doesn't exist but is still reffered to?
01:52:50	track	crap like it always is
01:52:55	midknight2k3	i'm sure
01:52:55	track	it does exist
01:52:58	midknight2k3	ok
01:53:04	midknight2k3	i didnt think so but i guess i was wrong
01:53:10	midknight2k3	so uh
01:53:14	midknight2k3	what happened today at work?
01:53:17	track	well aren't we here to talk MP3 things?
01:53:22	track	its my day off
01:53:24	track	today
01:53:29	track	brb
01:53:30	thedude02	lol
01:53:32	midknight2k3	ok
01:53:35	midknight2k3	im sure it is
01:53:36	midknight2k3	very nice
01:54:39	track	i may buy an archos rec 20
01:54:44	track	to replace my ageing 10
01:54:50	midknight2k3	haa
01:54:58	LinusN	usb2.0 rulez
01:55:01	thedude02	bye
01:55:03	midknight2k3	bye
01:55:03	LinusN	bye
01:55:05	thedude02	yeah it does
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01:55:09	track	i have a USB2.0 card on my PC
01:55:19	track	Linus how can u make USB1.1 like USB2?
01:55:28	LinusN	you can't
01:55:31	midknight2k3	haha
01:55:33	track	why not?
01:55:35	midknight2k3	thats good
01:55:39	midknight2k3	that goes down in the books
01:55:43	track	the sockets are the same physical size
01:55:45	midknight2k3	<track> Linus how can u make USB1.1 like USB2?
01:55:54	midknight2k3	its not got a same chip
01:56:05	track	ok
01:56:15	track	i wonder if there will be a USB3.0
01:56:20	LinusN	probably
01:56:30	track	or firewire
01:56:41	midknight2k3	there is a firewire track
01:56:49	track	or ieee139
01:56:55	track	iee1394
01:57:43	track	LinusN I copied 6Gb of data to my Archos in one hit and it didn't crash
01:57:50	track	and thats on USB1.1
01:58:00	LinusN	why should it crash?
01:58:15	midknight2k3	haha
01:58:17	midknight2k3	good one
01:58:17	track	because you say that sustained copying drains so much power the charger can't keep up
01:58:22	LinusN	ah
01:58:49	track	but my Archos was red-hot when it finished though
01:58:53	LinusN	hehe
01:59:10	track	I think thats why they are metal, it acts as a heatsink
01:59:49	track	to keep the HD cool
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02:00:20	track	no mh around
02:00:29	midknight2k3	yeah
02:00:30	midknight2k3	thats it
02:00:37	midknight2k3	no mh around
02:00:48	track	?
02:00:57	midknight2k3	nothing
02:01:07	track	u don;t' even know what i meant
02:01:16	midknight2k3	i noticed
02:01:32	midknight2k3	when i say peak_meter_peek() you dont know what i mean
02:01:33	midknight2k3	we're even
02:01:34	midknight2k3	lol
02:01:34	track	mh as in 200mh batteries
02:01:41	midknight2k3	its mah, not mh
02:01:42	track	2000mh batteries
02:01:45	track	ok
02:02:04	midknight2k3	2000mah batteries
02:02:14	track	ok
02:02:24	track	yea when i said mh i meant as in batteries
02:03:18	track	i didn't mean mh as in your mate
02:03:39	midknight2k3	mh = mate?
02:03:50	track	m*h***
02:04:01	midknight2k3	mateh.....
02:04:27	track	or mr holden
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02:04:41	midknight2k3	oh
02:04:42	midknight2k3	lol
02:05:36	track	lol
02:05:39	track	mr smartyarse
02:06:30	midknight2k3	he
02:06:31	midknight2k3	he
02:08:19	track	he is
02:12:54	midknight2k3	just great
02:13:46	track	at being smartyarsey
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03:14:18	thedude02	no
03:14:20	thedude02	mIRC
03:14:33	midknight2k3	AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
03:14:38	midknight2k3	revolverlution
03:15:04	thedude02	FU
03:15:07	thedude02	ck
03:15:10	thedude02	you
03:15:15	midknight2k3	why
03:15:31	thedude02	because u meik fun of me all of da time
03:16:22	thedude02	beecoz u meik fan ov mie all da taim
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04:27:30	midknight2k3	Jet8810
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07:42:55	o-_-o	hello
07:43:13	dwihno	hello
07:45:39	o-_-o	have you used pfaedit ?
07:46:06	dwihno	Yes.
07:46:21	o-_-o	cool :-)
07:46:25	*	o-_-o thanks the gods
07:46:36	o-_-o	ok...the little window above each font
07:46:47	o-_-o	there is a character right ?
07:47:05	dwihno	Let me launch pfaedit ...
07:47:12	o-_-o	ok...
07:48:30	o-_-o	you see the list of characters in a font
07:48:48	o-_-o	above each character is what it is supposed to be ?
07:50:33	dwihno	Damn. I don't have pfaedit on this workstation :(
07:50:38	dwihno	I think it is.
07:50:56	o-_-o	because I have a problem...
07:51:00	o-_-o	let me explain it
07:51:08	o-_-o	I am trying to make fonts for devangari
07:51:15	o-_-o	devanagari*
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07:51:40	o-_-o	the devanagari characters in unicode is not complete
07:51:46	o-_-o	the rest of the character
07:52:12	o-_-o	set is the in the private use area
07:52:23	o-_-o	there is not standard yet for those characters
07:52:56	o-_-o	pfaedit gives me some (devanagari) characters in that place, is it reading those from an existing font ?
07:53:06	o-_-o	or is it inbuilt into pfaedit
07:53:13	o-_-o	that is my questions
07:53:16	o-_-o	question*
07:53:33	o-_-o	because if it is inbuilt then whoever designs a font using pfaedit follows that standard
07:53:52	o-_-o	but there is another standard which is floating on the web also
07:54:18	o-_-o	so I need to know what the character in the little window above each actual font character represent ?
07:54:31	o-_-o	a template or just a read out from an existing font
07:55:33	o-_-o	:-)
07:57:24	dwihno	Well, using pfaedit only gives you the specific font data, afaik.
07:57:39	dwihno	So everything it interprets is actually font data.
07:57:44	o-_-o	but this is a new font I started :-)
07:57:53	o-_-o	so where is it getting the data from ?
07:58:43	o-_-o	it is telling me what character needs to be a particular place, by showing a character at that place
07:59:04	o-_-o	is it getting it from another font on my system or it inbuilt into pfaedit
07:59:45	dwihno	Well, in the "main" window, it does show some kind of helping glyphs
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08:00:06	o-_-o	ok...
08:00:13	o-_-o	those helping glyphs
08:00:23	o-_-o	are in built ?
08:04:05	dwihno	I guess they use some kind of standard font.
08:04:14	o-_-o	ok...
08:05:08	o-_-o	can I get this font anywhere ?
08:05:09	o-_-o	:-)
08:06:09	dwihno	Not that I know
08:06:46	o-_-o	ok...
08:12:04	o-_-o	alright thanks for your help
08:20:14	dwihno	not that it was much of a help ;D
08:20:43	o-_-o	:D
08:20:51	o-_-o	still something is better than nothing
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15:57:24	quelsaruk	hi all!
15:59:51	webmind	oi
15:59:56	quelsaruk	anybody out there?
15:59:57	quelsaruk	:P
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16:01:39	webmind	nope
16:03:44	quelsaruk	great
16:03:45	quelsaruk	:P
16:03:52	webmind	is it ?
16:03:53	webmind	well
16:03:59	webmind	it is nice and quiet yes...
16:04:43	quelsaruk	btw, i can't remember... there's not a rockbox "charge only" yet, no?
16:04:55	webmind	huh ?
16:04:58	quelsaruk	i mean, like when you plug the carger with the jukebox off
16:05:13	quelsaruk	and starts that charging screen with archos firmware
16:05:14	dwihno	If you flash the box,yes.
16:05:26	dwihno	FLash your box, and it'll use the rockbox loader
16:05:35	quelsaruk	dwihno, i have my box flashed
16:05:54	quelsaruk	even.. i can say i flashed it even before than you :P
16:06:30	quelsaruk	(but i still use that first version, with no archos on "safe boot" mode)
16:07:12	quelsaruk	just wanted to know.. as i have to re-flash it again to get that flash-rockbox ver.2
16:08:45	dwihno	\o/
16:08:48	dwihno	flash flash!
16:09:48	quelsaruk	i should do it, as soon as i have time
16:09:50	quelsaruk	:P
16:10:15	webmind	dwihno, no flash for player right ?
16:13:02	dwihno	webmind: there is flash for player, afaik.
16:13:14	webmind	hmm,, which is up2date ?
16:13:57	dwihno	erhm. dunno? :)
16:14:11	webmind	darn
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16:35:15	quelsaruk	cu!!
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21:51:15	track	ello
21:51:19	track	u made amends with midknight
21:51:28	thedude02	uhm
21:51:36	thedude02	haven't talked to him since
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21:52:10	thedude02	well his school's not out yet that's all
21:53:08	thedude02	he's uhm well uhm 3 timezones away from me
21:53:16	track	ok
21:53:43	track	at least mikeholden isn't here
21:54:06	thedude02	for him the time now is 12:54
21:54:11	track	lol
21:54:16	thedude02	who's mikeholden
21:54:28	thedude02	for me the time is 3:54
21:54:33	track	coo
21:54:33	track	l;
21:54:44	track	i think he is a cunt mikeholden
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21:54:58	track	8:54 pm
21:55:07	thedude02	LUCKY
21:55:12	thedude02	pm?
21:55:22	thedude02	you live in... (countrey)
21:55:30	track	UK
21:55:35	thedude02	ah
21:55:41	thedude02	yeah I knew that
21:55:54	thedude02	I'm just not stinking properly
21:55:56	thedude02	bye!
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21:59:12	scott666	<thedude02> I'm just not stinking properly
21:59:12	scott666	wtf?
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22:28:01	Dogger	hey anyone around?
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22:29:16	[IDC]Dragon	I'm here, working on Rockbox.
22:29:23	Dogger	hey IDC
22:29:33	Dogger	anyone in here know arm assembly?
22:29:42	[IDC]Dragon	Hey Snoop Doggy Dog
22:29:44	Dogger	or know where I find a good assembler/disassembler for linux?
22:29:51	[IDC]Dragon	I know ARM
22:30:08	Dogger	really?
22:30:14	[IDC]Dragon	there is a gnu toolchain
22:30:27	[IDC]Dragon	dunno about disassemblers
22:30:30	Dogger	ok, where do I get that from?
22:30:40	[IDC]Dragon	(I earn my bread programming ARM)
22:30:41	Dogger	any websites where I can find opcodes etc?
22:30:43	Dogger	cool,
22:30:49	Dogger	I just wanted to do an infinite loop
22:30:56	Dogger	to check my code is getting executed
22:31:05	Dogger	if it locks, BRILLIANT!
22:31:30	[IDC]Dragon	branch is just "b"
22:31:57	Dogger	any ideas on hex bytes?
22:32:05	[IDC]Dragon	not here at home
22:32:32		Nick LinusN\|away is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
22:32:39	[IDC]Dragon	Hi linus
22:32:43	Dogger	ok, so are all arm instruction sets the same basically,
22:32:48	LinusN	hi
22:32:50	Dogger	or do I need to look at arm7 specifically?
22:32:52	Dogger	hi linus
22:32:59	Dogger	I got some code to run!
22:33:05	[IDC]Dragon	I think I found some unsafe code about port read-modify-write
22:33:21	LinusN	[IDC]Dragon: oh?
22:33:21	Dogger	and now have a secure envornment to develop without breaking my archos! (Unless I accidently write to flash)
22:33:33	[IDC]Dragon	Dogger: no, they are alike.
22:33:46	Dogger	ok, so I can just find arm assembly stuff and it should work
22:34:14	[IDC]Dragon	LinusN: we do PBDR \|= 0x... all the time
22:34:32	[IDC]Dragon	and it's not locked against an interrupt.
22:34:47	[IDC]Dragon	So interrupts can't use those ports.
22:34:55	LinusN	is that a problem?
22:35:11	[IDC]Dragon	I can't assure none does.
22:35:36	LinusN	it's a design decision we've made
22:35:50	[IDC]Dragon	It just became a problem for me, using port B in an ISR to output on the remote pin.
22:36:25	[IDC]Dragon	I have to do it inan ISR, else the timing is too jittered.
22:36:41	LinusN	ouch
22:37:05	[IDC]Dragon	No big deal to secure the code, I just did it for I2C
22:37:21	Dogger	what is I2C?
22:37:21	LinusN	how did you do it?
22:37:23	Dogger	a bus?
22:37:27	[IDC]Dragon	I'm concerned about the upper half of PortB only.
22:37:28	LinusN	Dogger: yes
22:37:34	Dogger	ah ok... used on the av300
22:38:42	[IDC]Dragon	for I2C, I encapsulated those parts in cli() and sti()
22:38:51	LinusN	ouch
22:39:04	[IDC]Dragon	Only the fast ones, without any wait inbetween.
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22:39:51	[IDC]Dragon	Your taskswitcher is not preempting, just cooperative?
22:39:57	LinusN	yes
22:40:08	LinusN	very much cooperative
22:40:11	[IDC]Dragon	;-)
22:40:57	[IDC]Dragon	would that cli-sti encapsulation be OK for you guys?
22:41:22	LinusN	i'd rather have atomic read-modify-write instructions
22:41:32	[IDC]Dragon	me too, but how?
22:41:33	LinusN	but gcc is not very good at emitting them...
22:42:09	[IDC]Dragon	the SH has such? Have to check...
22:42:39	LinusN	there are atomic and/or/xor instructions
22:43:07	LinusN	but they only work with the (r0,gbr) addressing mode, and only on bytes
22:43:18	LinusN	check out system.h for examples
22:43:26	[IDC]Dragon	bytes, mmh
22:43:28	LinusN	those macros should work, btw
22:44:26	[IDC]Dragon	I've seen them, but dunno if it works for ports
22:44:33	LinusN	it does
22:44:56	LinusN	check out lcd.c
22:45:18	[IDC]Dragon	then we have to define the port halves, hi and lo part.
22:45:24	LinusN	check out lcd.c
22:45:51	[IDC]Dragon	lcd is all assembly.
22:46:09	[IDC]Dragon	works on bytes
22:46:19	LinusN	yes, but it is using the rmw instructoins on the upper half of port b
22:46:27	LinusN	so you can see that it works
22:46:34	[IDC]Dragon	nice.
22:46:48	[IDC]Dragon	I had no problems with LCD interfering.
22:47:09	[IDC]Dragon	I2C for shure, LED would also.
22:47:33	LinusN	speaking of interference, the FM radio is disturbed by the LCD updates :-(
22:47:41	[IDC]Dragon	OK, I'll change it for the system.h macros, OK?
22:47:58	LinusN	the peak meters makes the reception worse... :-(
22:48:07	[IDC]Dragon	FM is also on SPI?
22:48:12	LinusN	yes
22:48:33	[IDC]Dragon	no seperate chip select or such?
22:48:58	LinusN	of course
22:49:11	LinusN	but there is still noise generated from the lcd updates
22:49:17	[IDC]Dragon	brb
22:51:04	LinusN	disabling the screen updates reduced the fm noise considerably on my fmr
22:53:41	[IDC]Dragon	back again
22:54:10	[IDC]Dragon	Well, I have a look at the "semaphores" and massage that in
22:54:22	LinusN	semaphores?
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22:54:36	[IDC]Dragon	the atamic instuctions.
22:54:41	[IDC]Dragon	atomic
22:54:42	LinusN	ah
22:55:42	LinusN	should be pretty straightforward, changing the SDA_xx macros
22:55:51	LinusN	and the SCL_xx macros
22:55:53	[IDC]Dragon	yep
22:56:00	[IDC]Dragon	same for the FM and LED
22:56:10	LinusN	yup
22:56:16	[IDC]Dragon	__set_bit_constant(), __clear_bit_constant()
22:56:18	LinusN	should make them faster as well
22:56:39	[IDC]Dragon	maybe that'll make it stop working
22:57:02	LinusN	could be
22:57:07	[IDC]Dragon	I thing your I2C may be way too fast already
22:57:15	[IDC]Dragon	think
22:57:22	LinusN	i don't
22:57:31	[IDC]Dragon	did you measure?
22:57:45	LinusN	yes, back in the days when i wrote it
22:58:11	[IDC]Dragon	1 MHz, 400 kHz or 100 kHz?
22:58:21	LinusN	400khz
22:58:26	[IDC]Dragon	I think those are the levels
22:59:28	[IDC]Dragon	I'll define the byte ports in sh7034.h then, too?
22:59:38	LinusN	do so
22:59:54	[IDC]Dragon	OK, off for work....
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23:01:14	Plugh	Dogger: you there?
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23:06:24	Dogger	hi Plugh
23:06:37	Plugh	I saw today's site update
23:06:51	Dogger	o yeah, only just did that :)
23:07:10	Plugh	sounds like you finally got in touch with Archos ;)
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23:08:37	Plugh	why are they on your case about it and not on Rockbox's?
23:09:06	Dogger	because they love rockbox, and hate me?
23:09:14	Dogger	I asked henri,
23:09:20	Dogger	he just ignored me as usual
23:09:25	Dogger	seems they have 3 answers
23:09:29	Dogger	1. ignore
23:09:46	Dogger	2. some carrot on a stick about 'the next platform' under NDA of course
23:09:51	Dogger	3. threaten legal action
23:10:00	Dogger	I don't think they know any other way to anser things
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23:10:52	Plugh	so they don't want people hacking their products under current devel, but they don't mind people working on things that have an upcoming end of life?
23:11:16	Dogger	no idea
23:11:19	LinusN	Plugh: you can't really blame them, can you? :-)
23:11:25	Dogger	he said 'the av300 is already an ageing platform'
23:11:35	Dogger	yes you can, their firmware is rubbish,
23:11:39	LinusN	rockbox has prolonged the life of the jukebox series
23:11:42	Dogger	and their encryption could be cracked by a cat
23:12:03	Plugh	well, I just find it fascinating that they're pushing legalities on Dogger and letting Rockbox run rampant
23:12:03	Dogger	oh well,
23:12:07	LinusN	Dogger: yes, you cracked it, so i guess anybody can :-)
23:12:29	Dogger	I'll laugh when I get a video of me playing doom on linux on the archos on slashdot, with a news story saying 'archos wont allow this to be released'
23:12:39	Dogger	LinusN: exactly! I'm a dog!
23:13:44	Dogger	Plugh: me too
23:14:02	Dogger	my guess, is they saw that I had replaced 'archos' with 'linux', and assumed I was releasing modified firmware
23:14:07	Dogger	they are a pretty stupid bunch
23:14:36	Plugh	I think I'm gonna have to resolder my headphone jack
23:14:56	Plugh	I suspect it's cold solder and typically poor strain relief
23:15:06	Dogger	anyone know how to install gnu binutils so that it will assemble to arm7?
23:15:47	Plugh	Dogger: did they ask you to cease and desist development? Or just releasing info?
23:15:48	LinusN	yes, you build a cross compiler
23:16:19	LinusN	Dogger: http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/
23:16:30	LinusN	same instructions apply to the arm7 target
23:16:44	Plugh	Linus: I've run into a bit of a limitation in developing plugins
23:16:44	Dogger	Plugh: they don't really say things clearly so I'm unsure really
23:16:59	LinusN	Plugh: shoot
23:17:04	Dogger	LinusN: thanks
23:17:06	Plugh	I want to perform a logarithm call for the vu meter
23:17:18	Plugh	so it reflects in dB rather than linear scale
23:17:29	Plugh	but log() is in math.h and libmath
23:17:58	LinusN	floating point arithmetic is banned from rockbox
23:18:02	Plugh	ahhh
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23:18:08	Plugh	I missed that somewhere
23:18:19	Plugh	I guess I'll just build a log table
23:18:20	Dogger	banned?
23:18:28	LinusN	i guess we don't explicitly say it in the docs
23:18:38	Dogger	tables are faster for that sort of stuff I'd have thought anyway
23:18:44	LinusN	Plugh: look at the peak meter code
23:18:48	Dogger	wouldnt need to be that big a table anyway right?
23:18:51	Plugh	yeah, but not necessarily smaller ;)
23:18:54	Plugh	ok Linus
23:19:08	Plugh	I didn't realize the peak meter was using dB scale
23:19:16	LinusN	it can do both
23:19:20	Plugh	cool
23:19:36	Plugh	also, I have a whine about the change to config files
23:19:50	LinusN	what change?
23:19:59	Plugh	I can't go back and forth between cvs build and the bookmark build
23:20:16	Plugh	each has a different format for storing the prefs
23:20:24	top_bloke	@find razed in black
23:20:24	top_bloke	crap
23:20:24	top_bloke	wrong chan sorry
23:20:26	LinusN	the bookmark build is not supported
23:20:27	Plugh	and resets to default
23:20:29	Plugh	I know
23:20:36	Dogger	LinusN: that link doesn't have an option for arm7?
23:20:40	Plugh	I completely realize this
23:20:56	LinusN	Dogger: i wrote it specifically for the SH
23:21:06	Dogger	ah ok, I see cool
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23:21:17	Dogger	so I need to do some customisation like that for the arm7
23:21:30	Plugh	which is why it's a whine, not criticism or a request for assistance
23:21:31	Plugh	;)
23:22:00	LinusN	it should probably work just by replacing sh-elf with arm7-elf (or whatever the target is called)
23:23:23	Dogger	ok, cool
23:23:27	Dogger	will give it a try
23:23:33	LinusN	do so
23:23:37	Dogger	is there a dissassembler in the bintools?
23:23:44	LinusN	no
23:23:49	LinusN	not that i know of
23:23:55	Plugh	gdb
23:23:55	Dogger	ah that sucks
23:23:56	Plugh	:)
23:23:59	Dogger	might have to make one
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23:30:25	Plugh	ok, well, I just wanted to see what was up with Dogger's project page changing so drastically. Thanks for the info on floating point math Linus. I'll explore the peak meter code.
23:30:28	Plugh	seeya
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23:37:13	LinusN	user interface question:
23:37:48	LinusN	if the user presses, let's say, F2 to pop up a menu, does he expect to be able to leave it with the same key?
23:38:57	top_bloke	yeah
23:39:09	top_bloke	i think so
23:39:13	LinusN	me too
23:39:57	LinusN	in any case, there should be no harm done by accidentally pressing F2 twice
23:40:19	top_bloke	just go in to menu and quit
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