| 00:00:31 | tracktheripper | Hi |
| 00:01:01 | top_bloke | hi |
| 00:01:08 | tracktheripper | hi top |
| 00:01:14 | top_bloke | yo |
| 00:01:19 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 00:01:36 | tracktheripper | whos gonna try that, substitute the HD with CF cards |
| 00:01:37 | tracktheripper | :)) |
| 00:02:23 | top_bloke | ? |
| 00:02:33 | tracktheripper | lol just one feature request I saw |
| 00:02:41 | top_bloke | oh |
| 00:02:43 | tracktheripper | "change the HD for several CF cards" |
| 00:02:59 | top_bloke | why? |
| 00:03:14 | top_bloke | why would anyone want that |
| 00:03:32 | tracktheripper | save battery power since theres no HDs to spin up |
| 00:03:50 | top_bloke | yeah but way less storage |
| 00:04:10 | tracktheripper | well u can get 1Gb CF cards |
| 00:04:16 | tracktheripper | so if you could fit 20 in the case |
| 00:04:20 | tracktheripper | get 20Gb of storage |
| 00:04:37 | top_bloke | which have 20 HDs to spin up |
| 00:04:53 | top_bloke | or u mean the flash ones |
| 00:04:59 | tracktheripper | CF cards are flash memory, not HDs |
| 00:05:06 | top_bloke | i was thinking the microdrives |
| 00:05:12 | tracktheripper | no not microdrive |
| 00:05:13 | tracktheripper | s |
| 00:05:13 | top_bloke | my bad |
| 00:05:23 | top_bloke | still a stupid idea |
| 00:05:27 | tracktheripper | why? |
| 00:05:37 | tracktheripper | no HDs to be shoked or use up battery power |
| 00:05:46 | top_bloke | well then do it |
| 00:05:53 | top_bloke | if u like it so much |
| 00:05:58 | tracktheripper | 20 cards would cost a fortune to buy |
| 00:06:11 | tracktheripper | a 1Gb card costs the same as a new MP3 player! |
| 00:06:20 | top_bloke | well then thats that |
| 00:06:41 | tracktheripper | yup |
| 00:07:07 | tracktheripper | get mikeholden to fix it |
| 00:07:42 | mecraw | what's inside the 20 gb rio karma? |
| 00:07:44 | top_bloke | u hate him right |
| 00:07:45 | tracktheripper | you are better off storing all your MP£s in compressed .zip folders to save HD space and not lose soundquality |
| 00:07:58 | top_bloke | a gb drive? |
| 00:08:04 | top_bloke | a 20 gb drive |
| 00:08:07 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 00:08:41 | mecraw | thanks, but what kind, it's smaller than an ipod |
| 00:08:44 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:08:47 | tracktheripper | dunno |
| 00:09:09 | tracktheripper | anyway Dump all your MP3s into .zip folders and save plenty of HD space |
| 00:09:09 | top_bloke | i'm talking out my ass |
| 00:09:13 | top_bloke | i was guessing |
| 00:09:40 | top_bloke | never having seen a karma |
| 00:10:15 | top_bloke | tracktheripper i thought mp3s dont compress well |
| 00:10:26 | tracktheripper | they do compress a bit |
| 00:10:53 | top_bloke | well then its only a little bit |
| 00:11:18 | hardeep | mecraw: i believe they have the same hard drive as ipod: 1.8" |
| 00:11:19 | tracktheripper | yea compress 2000 MP3s, gain 20Mb of HD space extra :) |
| 00:11:45 | top_bloke | well u still cant play them on the archos as it is |
| 00:11:46 | hardeep | what's messed up about the karma is that they apparently have their own proprietary filesystem, they don't use fat32 |
| 00:12:08 | tracktheripper | well topbloke you uncompress them first prior to playing |
| 00:12:09 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:12:09 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 00:12:23 | top_bloke | well rockbox cant do that now |
| 00:12:35 | top_bloke | or ever probably |
| 00:15:00 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:15:07 | tracktheripper | does mikeholden ever come in here? |
| 00:15:25 | top_bloke | i dont know |
| 00:15:30 | top_bloke | maybe hes here right now |
| 00:15:34 | tracktheripper | he really upset me once |
| 00:15:43 | top_bloke | maybe i'm him |
| 00:15:47 | top_bloke | you never know |
| 00:15:59 | tracktheripper | nah u aren't him |
| 00:16:40 | top_bloke | well someone else could be |
| 00:16:45 | tracktheripper | ok |
| 00:16:53 | tracktheripper | mikeholden come out come out wherever u are |
| 00:18:15 | top_bloke | is he one of the coders? |
| 00:18:44 | tracktheripper | topbloke read tthis |
| 00:18:44 | tracktheripper | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=732602&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
| 00:19:28 | top_bloke | i cant right now |
| 00:24:09 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (hello@ACC1BEAF.ipt.aol.com) |
| 00:24:15 | midknight2k3 | hi |
| 00:24:21 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 00:24:44 | midknight2k3 | hi track |
| 00:24:46 | midknight2k3 | hey zagor |
| 00:24:48 | tracktheripper | hi mid |
| 00:24:49 | midknight2k3 | hello toppy |
| 00:25:00 | * | midknight2k3 repeats, "hi track" |
| 00:25:11 | top_bloke | hey |
| 00:25:15 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:25:16 | tracktheripper | mid |
| 00:25:43 | midknight2k3 | zagor: will any more patches make it in? |
| 00:25:56 | midknight2k3 | how about my chip8 icon? :D |
| 00:26:02 | Zagor | midknight2k3: we'll see |
| 00:26:04 | midknight2k3 | you need icons for files |
| 00:26:11 | midknight2k3 | you cant miss a chip8 icon |
| 00:26:26 | pokerjoker | hey folks |
| 00:26:33 | midknight2k3 | and my screens patch is neat,, so is the keyboard makeover |
| 00:26:37 | midknight2k3 | so many patches |
| 00:26:40 | midknight2k3 | so little time |
| 00:26:41 | midknight2k3 | hey pokerjoker |
| 00:26:49 | tracktheripper | hi poker |
| 00:26:49 | tracktheripper | joker |
| 00:26:53 | pokerjoker | howsit going homeslice |
| 00:27:00 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 00:27:03 | midknight2k3 | uh |
| 00:27:30 | tracktheripper | midknight is the man poker |
| 00:27:38 | midknight2k3 | i think he knows that |
| 00:27:48 | tracktheripper | i know im doublechecking |
| 00:28:01 | * | midknight2k3 bares teeth |
| 00:28:11 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:28:53 | tracktheripper | Hey Midknight there is a request where someone wants to replace the HD with CompactFlash cards |
| 00:29:26 | midknight2k3 | i once had a simlar idea |
| 00:29:33 | midknight2k3 | it involved using a media card for buffer |
| 00:29:36 | tracktheripper | except with IBM Microdrives |
| 00:29:50 | midknight2k3 | put in a 64MB CF card and get, well, 64MB Buffer |
| 00:30:35 | tracktheripper | put in a 1Gb Microdrive and get 1Gb of buffer |
| 00:30:49 | midknight2k3 | nah |
| 00:30:53 | midknight2k3 | thats where it gets ugly |
| 00:31:02 | midknight2k3 | spend all your battery loading the buffer |
| 00:31:09 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:31:30 | top_bloke | doesnt the ipod do that? |
| 00:31:38 | top_bloke | have a flash buffer |
| 00:31:48 | tracktheripper | Ipod buffers 25 minutes in advacnce |
| 00:31:55 | top_bloke | is it flash? |
| 00:32:09 | tracktheripper | no its ram |
| 00:32:25 | midknight2k3 | not a good way to think of it |
| 00:32:27 | top_bloke | big ram there |
| 00:32:28 | tracktheripper | ok mid how would u fit a card reader in the Archos? |
| 00:32:36 | midknight2k3 | so if i have a 320kbps it will do 25 mins? |
| 00:32:43 | midknight2k3 | and if i have 32kbps it does 25? |
| 00:32:52 | tracktheripper | welll thats how APple measure it |
| 00:32:55 | tracktheripper | 25 minutes of music |
| 00:33:03 | pokerjoker | im encoding a shozload of CDs into VBR |
| 00:33:12 | top_bloke | i dont buy that its regualr ram |
| 00:33:48 | midknight2k3 | top: it is regular ram |
| 00:33:53 | top_bloke | prove me wrong |
| 00:33:58 | midknight2k3 | they just do it the simple way and say 25 mins |
| 00:34:02 | midknight2k3 | track: |
| 00:34:07 | top_bloke | its gotta be huge then |
| 00:34:10 | midknight2k3 | i wasnt planning to put a card reader in the archos |
| 00:34:15 | midknight2k3 | 16MB |
| 00:34:17 | midknight2k3 | or so |
| 00:34:23 | top_bloke | oh |
| 00:34:24 | midknight2k3 | 32 actually |
| 00:34:30 | midknight2k3 | 32MB |
| 00:34:51 | top_bloke | huge compared to archos |
| 00:34:54 | pokerjoker | is 8mb the biggest upgrade you can do on the archos RAM? |
| 00:35:03 | midknight2k3 | no.. |
| 00:35:11 | midknight2k3 | but i dont think anyones tried 16mb |
| 00:35:20 | tracktheripper | but mid u still need a way to unload and load the card inthe ARchos |
| 00:35:20 | pokerjoker | it would be nice to try 16mb i think. wouldnt it? |
| 00:35:26 | midknight2k3 | track: |
| 00:35:31 | midknight2k3 | this wasnt an archos idea |
| 00:35:36 | midknight2k3 | it was just an mp3 player idea |
| 00:35:41 | tracktheripper | ok ok mid |
| 00:35:44 | tracktheripper | :P |
| 00:35:50 | midknight2k3 | track: uhm |
| 00:36:02 | midknight2k3 | 'ok ok' usually means calm down |
| 00:36:05 | midknight2k3 | i wasnt worked up |
| 00:36:10 | tracktheripper | i never said u were |
| 00:36:17 | midknight2k3 | ok ok mid |
| 00:36:27 | midknight2k3 | seems like you really wanted to stress the fact that you understood? |
| 00:36:33 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 00:36:40 | tracktheripper | and I still wanna kick mikeholden's arse |
| 00:36:40 | midknight2k3 | unless it was a large accomplishment on your part |
| 00:36:49 | midknight2k3 | "i actually understand something he says!" |
| 00:37:02 | midknight2k3 | tracktheripper: why |
| 00:37:17 | tracktheripper | "You Really didn't think this through did you!" |
| 00:37:31 | midknight2k3 | YOU GOT BACK AT HIM |
| 00:37:32 | pokerjoker | im encoding pet shop boys |
| 00:37:35 | midknight2k3 | at that one post remember |
| 00:37:39 | tracktheripper | what? |
| 00:38:00 | midknight2k3 | "i got back at him finally" |
| 00:38:07 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:38:08 | midknight2k3 | at the doom bug report |
| 00:38:16 | tracktheripper | when i get my Nomad you lot will miss me |
| 00:38:17 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:38:20 | pokerjoker | how old are you midknight |
| 00:38:23 | midknight2k3 | finally realized you did nothing but get told off a lot? |
| 00:38:27 | midknight2k3 | i won't! |
| 00:38:36 | tracktheripper | ok mid if u say so |
| 00:38:40 | midknight2k3 | you shoudl stalp talking about mikeholden |
| 00:38:45 | midknight2k3 | getting a nomd? |
| 00:39:14 | tracktheripper | one of the zens |
| 00:39:25 | midknight2k3 | for sure? |
| 00:39:34 | tracktheripper | probably next year |
| 00:39:41 | midknight2k3 | aww |
| 00:40:24 | tracktheripper | ill just use the archos as a portable HD |
| 00:41:15 | top_bloke | whats the lowest bitrate archos can play? |
| 00:41:19 | midknight2k3 | that means dont stick around |
| 00:41:23 | midknight2k3 | 32kbps i think |
| 00:41:39 | tracktheripper | yea 32kbs |
| 00:41:40 | top_bloke | the we can store 0:06:15 of music |
| 00:41:50 | midknight2k3 | it can go lower but its not been tested - i think 32kb is lowest possible bitrate for mp3s |
| 00:42:06 | tracktheripper | Mid in Soundforge it can go as low as 5kbs |
| 00:42:25 | midknight2k3 | sounds stupid |
| 00:42:33 | top_bloke | at 8kb/s it can actually store 25 minutes |
| 00:42:34 | midknight2k3 | thats like, fuzz. |
| 00:42:36 | tracktheripper | well it can mid |
| 00:42:40 | midknight2k3 | sure |
| 00:42:43 | midknight2k3 | but whod wanna |
| 00:42:45 | tracktheripper | its ok for streaming voice over a 14.4k modem |
| 00:42:49 | midknight2k3 | nah |
| 00:42:58 | midknight2k3 | you couldnt stream 5kbps audio over 14.4 |
| 00:43:06 | tracktheripper | ok |
| 00:43:07 | midknight2k3 | even if you could it would suck |
| 00:43:46 | top_bloke | at 5kb/s thats 40 minutes in buffer! |
| 00:44:03 | midknight2k3 | shssh |
| 00:44:12 | top_bloke | apple got owned! |
| 00:44:20 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 00:44:29 | top_bloke | 24 minutes....weak |
| 00:44:33 | top_bloke | or 25 |
| 00:44:38 | midknight2k3 | 2mb ram vs 32mb |
| 00:44:48 | top_bloke | u sure its 32? |
| 00:45:09 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 00:45:20 | top_bloke | absolutely sure? |
| 00:45:20 | midknight2k3 | http://ipodsdirtysecret.com/ |
| 00:45:33 | midknight2k3 | positively 99% yes |
| 00:45:35 | top_bloke | i cant check right now |
| 00:45:55 | midknight2k3 | track could but he wont |
| 00:46:03 | top_bloke | then at 128k/s it can hold 0:33:20 |
| 00:46:16 | midknight2k3 | no. |
| 00:46:21 | top_bloke | yeah |
| 00:46:22 | midknight2k3 | they dont use all 32mb for buffer |
| 00:46:27 | top_bloke | well then |
| 00:46:28 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 00:46:57 | top_bloke | 25 min only takes 24MB at 128k/s |
| 00:47:06 | midknight2k3 | RIGHT |
| 00:47:09 | midknight2k3 | so |
| 00:47:12 | midknight2k3 | 24mb buffer |
| 00:47:12 | top_bloke | i gotta stop with these calculations |
| 00:47:32 | midknight2k3 | brb |
| 00:47:39 | top_bloke | ok one more |
| 00:47:43 | tracktheripper | good link mid |
| 00:47:46 | top_bloke | at 8k/s thats a massive 6:40:00 |
| 00:49:15 | top_bloke | i cant stop! |
| 00:49:46 | top_bloke | 20GB archos can hold 52 days 2:00:00 at 32k/s! |
| 00:51:03 | tracktheripper | yes but you would have poor sound quality |
| 00:51:14 | top_bloke | its ok for speech |
| 00:51:26 | tracktheripper | who wants 52 days of speech? |
| 00:51:35 | top_bloke | uh |
| 00:52:22 | midknight2k3 | back |
| 00:52:28 | tracktheripper | hi mid |
| 00:52:31 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 00:52:35 | midknight2k3 | what now |
| 00:52:38 | midknight2k3 | did you watch it |
| 00:52:42 | tracktheripper | yes I liked it |
| 00:52:46 | tracktheripper | about the ipods battery life |
| 00:52:51 | tracktheripper | only 18 months |
| 00:53:04 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 00:53:12 | midknight2k3 | 5 hours per charge |
| 00:53:17 | midknight2k3 | 18 months per unit |
| 00:53:28 | midknight2k3 | thats .. faulty |
| 00:53:43 | tracktheripper | mid its carefully crafted so when it wears out you buy another ipod |
| 00:53:50 | top_bloke | what kinda battery is it? |
| 00:53:56 | midknight2k3 | liion |
| 00:54:09 | top_bloke | same as fm then |
| 00:54:15 | tracktheripper | Sony 650mah lithium polymer |
| 00:54:23 | midknight2k3 | 650mah? haa |
| 00:54:30 | top_bloke | weak |
| 00:54:34 | tracktheripper | yea |
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| 00:54:58 | tracktheripper | the battery is made by Sony, the HD is made by Toshiba |
| 00:55:36 | tracktheripper | the MAS is probably another one of Micronas's |
| 00:56:03 | midknight2k3 | nah |
| 00:56:56 | tracktheripper | so you could buy a MAS off the shelf and build ur own MP3 player around it? |
| 00:57:13 | midknight2k3 | uhm |
| 00:57:16 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 00:57:27 | top_bloke | it would suck though |
| 00:57:58 | midknight2k3 | uhm |
| 00:58:01 | tracktheripper | Midknight on the Ipod the battery is made by Sony, the HD Toshiba, the controls Texas Instruments and the other electronics Sharp |
| 00:58:03 | midknight2k3 | there is someone who did such a thing |
| 00:58:06 | midknight2k3 | pretty nice |
| 00:58:15 | midknight2k3 | tracktheripper: fascinating |
| 00:58:35 | tracktheripper | thank you midknight |
| 00:58:42 | tracktheripper | im glad u found it fascinating |
| 00:58:55 | midknight2k3 | i didnt. |
| 00:58:57 | top_bloke | lol |
| 00:59:04 | top_bloke | lolol |
| 00:59:22 | diddystar5 | i did see a make your own mp3player kit somewhere |
| 00:59:34 | midknight2k3 | boo |
| 00:59:36 | midknight2k3 | this is better |
| 00:59:38 | diddystar5 | you could solder everything, or get it presoldered and put it togehter |
| 00:59:47 | diddystar5 | ill see if i can find it |
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| 01:01:48 | | Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") |
| 01:03:11 | hardeep | a couple I know about: http://go.to/zipamp and http://www.pjrc.com/ |
| 01:04:39 | diddystar5 | yeah the one i knew about was the pjrc |
| 01:04:42 | midknight2k3 | zipamp |
| 01:04:45 | midknight2k3 | i think thats it |
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| 01:06:48 | diddystar5 | brb |
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| 01:34:10 | hardeep | midknight2k3: i think there is a small problem with your keyboard patch. !? and " are no longer available in any of the layouts |
| 01:34:25 | | Quit diddystar5 ("Leaving") |
| 01:34:29 | midknight2k3 | are they? |
| 01:34:38 | midknight2k3 | oh btw inwindows they arent valid |
| 01:34:43 | midknight2k3 | but hm |
| 01:34:47 | hardeep | for filenames, sure |
| 01:34:48 | midknight2k3 | feel free to add them if they are missing |
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| 01:34:56 | midknight2k3 | what else for? |
| 01:34:56 | hardeep | but we may want to extend this for writing into files and stuff |
| 01:35:01 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 01:35:03 | hardeep | and id3 info |
| 01:35:07 | midknight2k3 | i will add them, or you cant |
| 01:35:09 | midknight2k3 | can* |
| 01:35:25 | hardeep | go for it, i was just quickly glancing through it |
| 01:35:36 | midknight2k3 | i like it |
| 01:36:06 | hardeep | yeah, i like having upper and lower case on the same screen too |
| 01:36:34 | midknight2k3 | did you try my f2 patch |
| 01:37:01 | hardeep | nope |
| 01:37:15 | midknight2k3 | try it is good |
| 01:38:09 | diddystar5 | hardeep: what about my changes to .rockbox browser patch? |
| 01:38:26 | hardeep | i haven't looked at those either |
| 01:38:38 | diddystar5 | i need to do some updating |
| 01:38:38 | midknight2k3 | and my chip8 icon! |
| 01:38:41 | midknight2k3 | and my redzone! |
| 01:38:44 | midknight2k3 | and this and that and this and that |
| 01:38:55 | midknight2k3 | i should delete redzone |
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| 01:39:09 | midknight2k3 | piece of junkiest patch if there ever was one |
| 01:39:13 | diddystar5 | i need to remove some of the things (i think fonts and...) and im going to add seperater dirs for games, font etc |
| 01:39:13 | midknight2k3 | ttr |
| 01:39:26 | tracktheripper | Hi |
| 01:39:43 | midknight2k3 | tr == tracktheripper |
| 01:39:52 | tracktheripper | i know mid |
| 01:40:14 | diddystar5 | bye |
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| 01:40:20 | midknight2k3 | bye |
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| 01:40:33 | midknight2k3 | ZAGOR! |
| 01:40:40 | midknight2k3 | :-0!! |
| 01:53:58 | tracktheripper | who will win the codec war? MP3, WMA, AAC, ATRAC3?, OGG? |
| 01:54:16 | ze | ogg's not a codec, it's a media container file format |
| 01:54:17 | midknight2k3 | ask that on your mailing list junk |
| 01:54:22 | midknight2k3 | ooh got told |
| 01:54:22 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:54:23 | ze | vorbis is the codec |
| 01:54:42 | tracktheripper | ok let me rephrase that |
| 01:54:49 | midknight2k3 | a ha |
| 01:54:54 | ze | and they'll all lose in the end |
| 01:55:04 | ze | lossy compression just sucks |
| 01:55:06 | tracktheripper | who willl win the codec war, MP3, WMA, VORBIS, ATRAC3, AAC? |
| 01:55:08 | ze | we'll overcome the need for it eventually |
| 01:55:20 | midknight2k3 | tracktheripper: mialing junk never got far? |
| 01:55:23 | midknight2k3 | mailing* |
| 01:55:28 | tracktheripper | midknight u are picking on me yet again! |
| 01:55:32 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 01:55:34 | midknight2k3 | just asking |
| 01:55:41 | tracktheripper | well there was no need for the word junk |
| 01:55:42 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 01:56:08 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 01:56:13 | midknight2k3 | tracktheripper: mialing THING never got far? |
| 01:56:16 | midknight2k3 | back in a few mins |
| 01:56:17 | tracktheripper | one of them will win eventually |
| 01:56:18 | tracktheripper | ok mid |
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| 01:56:25 | ze | nah |
| 01:56:36 | ze | they'll keep competing and new contenders will come along |
| 01:56:44 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 01:56:51 | ze | and then some breakthrough'll be made and we'll have tons of cheap storage and everybody'll forget about lossy compression |
| 01:57:06 | tracktheripper | i read somewhere the new formats will compress even further by "predicting what the waveform will do next" |
| 01:57:10 | ze | cheap storage and cheap bandwidth |
| 01:57:15 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 01:57:39 | ze | in fact there'll probably be some major technological breakthrough going on pretty soon |
| 01:57:47 | ze | not necessarily in the next few years, but within our lifetimes |
| 01:58:06 | tracktheripper | perhaps one day u could fit 20,000 CD quality songs on 1 floppy disk |
| 01:58:07 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 01:58:50 | ze | spintronics, quantum computing, etc stuff's already developing |
| 01:59:04 | ze | and we'll keep figuring out new things to try |
| 01:59:09 | tracktheripper | lol a lot of companies tack "tronics" to make a name |
| 01:59:14 | tracktheripper | u could have zetronics |
| 01:59:27 | ze | spintronics isn't anything do with any particular company |
| 01:59:31 | tracktheripper | zagortronics, linustronics, midknight2k3tronics, |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:03 | ze | spintronics is utilizing electron spin coherency |
| 02:00:07 | tracktheripper | oh ok |
| 02:00:13 | tracktheripper | still a cool company for a HD |
| 02:00:14 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 02:00:24 | ze | basically the electrons all get their poles lined up the same |
| 02:00:27 | tracktheripper | oh ok |
| 02:00:34 | ze | and then you tilt one, and it tilts back and the tilt propagates in a wave down the line |
| 02:00:47 | ze | and that constitutes your energy transfer instead of moving the electrons between atoms |
| 02:00:52 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 02:00:53 | tracktheripper | cool |
| 02:01:41 | ze | electronics is just the first big human technology |
| 02:01:45 | ze | it's certainly not the last |
| 02:01:45 | ze | heh |
| 02:01:59 | tracktheripper | im gonna set up a company called spintronics now |
| 02:01:59 | tracktheripper | :)_ |
| 02:02:43 | ze | eventually we'll reach a physical limit on information storage/retrieval/transmission density |
| 02:02:54 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (hello@AC9B6061.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:02:59 | midknight2k3 | iiii |
| 02:03:00 | midknight2k3 | hiii |
| 02:03:02 | tracktheripper | hi mid |
| 02:03:21 | midknight2k3 | ARG |
| 02:03:22 | ze | actually that kinda makes me wonder though |
| 02:03:28 | tracktheripper | whats wrong mid? |
| 02:03:32 | midknight2k3 | WHY do i keep getting this error |
| 02:03:35 | ze | if you can use compression algorithms to exceed that limit |
| 02:03:35 | ze | heh |
| 02:03:37 | tracktheripper | what error? |
| 02:03:40 | midknight2k3 | ../tools/scramble -fm /home/rockbox/newnewclock/build/rockbox.bin /home/rockbox/ |
| 02:03:40 | midknight2k3 | newnewclock/build/ajbrec.ajz |
| 02:03:40 | midknight2k3 | error: max firmware size is 200KB! |
| 02:03:40 | DBUG | Sent KICK midknight2k3 to server |
| 02:03:40 | midknight2k3 | make[1]: *** [/home/rockbox/newnewclock/build/ajbrec.ajz] Error 255 |
| 02:03:40 | midknight2k3 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockbox/newnewclock/apps' |
| 02:03:40 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:03:40 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*hello@*.ipt.aol.com |
| 02:03:40 | midknight2k3 | make: *** [apps] Error 2 |
| 02:03:41 | Kick | (#rockbox midknight2k3 :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se |
| 02:03:41 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 02:03:41 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*hello@*.ipt.aol.com " by logbot (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:03:50 | ze | or if ther'll be some way that it'll not work |
| 02:04:24 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (itsme@AC9B6061.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:04:28 | midknight2k3 | sheezus |
| 02:04:30 | tracktheripper | hi mid |
| 02:04:31 | ze | heh |
| 02:04:34 | midknight2k3 | dumb ... uglybot |
| 02:04:39 | ze | midknight2k3: "error: max firmware size is 200KB!" |
| 02:04:45 | ze | midknight2k3: it's too big |
| 02:04:50 | midknight2k3 | i know |
| 02:04:54 | midknight2k3 | i didnt make it larger |
| 02:05:00 | ze | well who did |
| 02:05:04 | midknight2k3 | one line of code cant make it go from 158kb to 200kb? |
| 02:05:16 | ze | sure, depends on the line of code |
| 02:05:22 | tracktheripper | perhaps it does what the code something |
| 02:05:23 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 02:05:26 | midknight2k3 | hows 19 characters sound |
| 02:05:35 | ze | doesn't matter how much code |
| 02:05:38 | ze | it matters what the code does |
| 02:05:46 | * | midknight2k3 fusses |
| 02:06:10 | ze | like malloc(43008); |
| 02:06:10 | tracktheripper | Mid what did u think of a request I sent some time ago that may help u with ur >200kb code? |
| 02:06:11 | ze | heh |
| 02:06:16 | midknight2k3 | lool |
| 02:06:28 | midknight2k3 | oh a diff kind of plugins track? |
| 02:06:59 | tracktheripper | no it was "Multi-loading system to enable firmwares >200kb to load" |
| 02:07:24 | ze | can't you actually do that as it is? |
| 02:07:25 | midknight2k3 | i know |
| 02:07:31 | midknight2k3 | well SUCK |
| 02:07:41 | ze | use ROLO to load >200kb fw? |
| 02:08:01 | tracktheripper | but the Archos can only load up to 200kb |
| 02:08:20 | midknight2k3 | i know |
| 02:08:25 | midknight2k3 | nah |
| 02:08:27 | ze | i thought the limit was in archos' firmware |
| 02:08:29 | midknight2k3 | i dunno actually |
| 02:08:36 | midknight2k3 | then why wont it build?! huh huh!?!!? |
| 02:09:10 | midknight2k3 | well great |
| 02:09:25 | midknight2k3 | it built before i made a new plugin |
| 02:09:39 | | Join thedude02 [0] (Dude@pm663-28.dialip.mich.net) |
| 02:09:46 | tracktheripper | hi thedude0 |
| 02:09:58 | midknight2k3 | any other ideas before i recheckout |
| 02:10:03 | thedude02 | hi |
| 02:10:10 | midknight2k3 | track: try "the<tab><enter> |
| 02:10:21 | midknight2k3 | going once |
| 02:10:24 | midknight2k3 | going twice |
| 02:10:27 | midknight2k3 | rechecking out. |
| 02:10:59 | tracktheripper | thedude02 hi |
| 02:11:01 | tracktheripper | tracktheripper |
| 02:11:04 | tracktheripper | :| |
| 02:11:11 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 02:11:14 | midknight2k3 | the then tab |
| 02:11:17 | midknight2k3 | not t then tab |
| 02:11:20 | midknight2k3 | or press t then tab twice |
| 02:11:26 | tracktheripper | top_bloke |
| 02:11:31 | tracktheripper | top_bloke Hiya |
| 02:11:36 | midknight2k3 | three times then |
| 02:11:42 | tracktheripper | pokerjoker hi |
| 02:12:00 | midknight2k3 | what |
| 02:12:02 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:12:05 | tracktheripper | it doesn't work |
| 02:12:11 | midknight2k3 | it does |
| 02:12:16 | midknight2k3 | the<tab> |
| 02:12:22 | midknight2k3 | it should say "thedude02" |
| 02:12:28 | thedude02 | ? |
| 02:12:32 | midknight2k3 | nothing |
| 02:12:35 | thedude02 | k |
| 02:12:39 | tracktheripper | leapingfrog |
| 02:12:39 | tracktheripper | tracktheripper |
| 02:12:39 | tracktheripper | tracktheripper |
| 02:12:40 | DBUG | Sent KICK tracktheripper to server |
| 02:12:40 | tracktheripper | top_bloke |
| 02:12:41 | Kick | (#rockbox tracktheripper :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se |
| 02:12:47 | thedude02 | heh |
| 02:12:49 | midknight2k3 | hahahaha |
| 02:12:51 | thedude02 | lmao |
| 02:12:54 | midknight2k3 | sucka |
| 02:12:58 | thedude02 | sorry |
| 02:13:01 | thedude02 | indeed |
| 02:13:08 | thedude02 | what is considered flooding |
| 02:13:21 | midknight2k3 | three lines in a row quickly |
| 02:13:36 | thedude02 | how quickly is quickly? |
| 02:13:41 | | Join tracktheripper [0] (~icechat5@ACBF681F.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:13:42 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 02:13:46 | midknight2k3 | hey |
| 02:13:50 | midknight2k3 | what you done |
| 02:13:50 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:13:51 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 02:13:58 | tracktheripper | sorry flooded by accident |
| 02:14:01 | thedude02 | that's what you get for saying useless stuff |
| 02:14:02 | midknight2k3 | i noticed |
| 02:14:17 | thedude02 | * tracktheripper was kicked by logbot (No flooding!) |
| 02:14:18 | tracktheripper | be quiet thedude02 |
| 02:14:23 | midknight2k3 | ok i re-checked out |
| 02:14:24 | thedude02 | K |
| 02:14:32 | midknight2k3 | now im gonna build before each update |
| 02:14:36 | midknight2k3 | to see when it fumbles |
| 02:14:45 | midknight2k3 | ill start right now without any hacking performed |
| 02:14:50 | * | thedude02 cowers in the corner holding my favorite stuffed animal tight |
| 02:15:04 | thedude02 | dam I made that mistake again |
| 02:15:05 | midknight2k3 | made dir, cd'd dir |
| 02:15:07 | midknight2k3 | made makefile |
| 02:15:10 | midknight2k3 | building |
| 02:15:13 | thedude02 | I need to talk in 3rd person |
| 02:15:19 | thedude02 | now I'll shut uo |
| 02:15:21 | thedude02 | p |
| 02:15:52 | midknight2k3 | then i insert my new plugincode, then move my clock over to the new dir |
| 02:15:54 | midknight2k3 | ta da |
| 02:16:17 | thedude02 | nih |
| 02:16:18 | thedude02 | nih |
| 02:16:18 | DBUG | Sent KICK thedude02 to server |
| 02:16:18 | thedude02 | nih |
| 02:16:18 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:16:18 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox +b *!*Dude@*.dialip.mich.net |
| 02:16:18 | thedude02 | nih |
| 02:16:18 | Kick | (#rockbox thedude02 :Stop repeating yourself) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se |
| 02:16:18 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 02:16:19 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*Dude@*.dialip.mich.net " by logbot (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:16:19 | | Join thedude02 [0] (Dude@pm663-28.dialip.mich.net) |
| 02:16:19 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 02:16:19 | DBUG | Sent KICK thedude02 to server |
| 02:16:19 | Kick | (#rockbox thedude02 :Go away, you're banned here!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se |
| 02:16:19 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 02:16:25 | midknight2k3 | AGAGAG |
| 02:16:56 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 02:16:59 | tracktheripper | serves him right |
| 02:17:01 | midknight2k3 | ahahaha |
| 02:17:03 | midknight2k3 | yes it does |
| 02:17:04 | top_bloke | hey mid i once compiled rockbox and it filled up my whole hard drive |
| 02:17:23 | midknight2k3 | you lier |
| 02:18:10 | top_bloke | i was screwing around with the code and messed it up |
| 02:18:22 | midknight2k3 | you lie |
| 02:18:30 | top_bloke | me? |
| 02:18:40 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 02:18:51 | top_bloke | i'm serious |
| 02:18:58 | midknight2k3 | k |
| 02:19:50 | top_bloke | i think the rockbox.bin(?) was 140 MB |
| 02:20:05 | midknight2k3 | haha |
| 02:20:10 | top_bloke | and it was trying to scramble it and ran out of space on my hd |
| 02:20:17 | midknight2k3 | ahaha |
| 02:20:26 | midknight2k3 | /newnewclock/clock-test/build/langu |
| 02:20:27 | midknight2k3 | or directory |
| 02:20:27 | midknight2k3 | /newnewclock/clock-test/build/debug |
| 02:20:27 | DBUG | Sent KICK midknight2k3 to server |
| 02:20:27 | midknight2k3 | /newnewclock/clock-test/build/credi |
| 02:20:27 | Kick | (#rockbox midknight2k3 :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se |
| 02:20:33 | top_bloke | it was thrashing at it for a half hour |
| 02:20:35 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (itsme@AC9B6061.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:20:37 | midknight2k3 | WTH |
| 02:20:39 | midknight2k3 | stop him |
| 02:20:41 | midknight2k3 | hes crazy |
| 02:20:50 | tracktheripper | hes banned the dude |
| 02:20:58 | midknight2k3 | i cant make a bit of code public knowledge before he kciks me |
| 02:20:59 | | Join thedude02 [0] (dudes@pm663-28.dialip.mich.net) |
| 02:20:59 | top_bloke | i like it! |
| 02:21:03 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 02:21:03 | thedude02 | there. |
| 02:21:06 | top_bloke | logbot rules! |
| 02:21:07 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 02:21:13 | top_bloke | post it somewhere |
| 02:21:29 | top_bloke | instead of flooding everyone |
| 02:21:34 | top_bloke | in logbot i trust. |
| 02:21:35 | midknight2k3 | shutp |
| 02:21:40 | midknight2k3 | fie |
| 02:21:41 | tracktheripper | :)) |
| 02:21:42 | midknight2k3 | i hate you |
| 02:21:54 | thedude02 | hahahahaha |
| 02:22:09 | midknight2k3 | we arent friends anymore if we ever were. so there. |
| 02:22:15 | thedude02 | *and by some miraculous reason I ended that on an "a" |
| 02:22:22 | tracktheripper | whats up mid? |
| 02:22:22 | top_bloke | thats cold |
| 02:22:31 | top_bloke | u didnt have to go there |
| 02:22:43 | midknight2k3 | toppy: |
| 02:22:48 | midknight2k3 | it was cold and directed at you |
| 02:22:53 | top_bloke | nah whatever youre so moody |
| 02:22:58 | thedude02 | heheheheh (panting not laughing) |
| 02:22:59 | midknight2k3 | you wanna see moody? |
| 02:23:07 | top_bloke | youre moody as hell |
| 02:23:11 | thedude02 | you don't want to see him moody |
| 02:23:12 | * | midknight2k3 slaps top_bloke around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:23:15 | thedude02 | you're moody |
| 02:23:15 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 02:23:21 | midknight2k3 | there |
| 02:23:24 | top_bloke | hes always moody |
| 02:23:31 | thedude02 | but HE can become REALLY moody |
| 02:23:38 | tracktheripper | leave him top_bloke mid is alright |
| 02:23:38 | midknight2k3 | OWW |
| 02:23:40 | midknight2k3 | my finger |
| 02:23:48 | midknight2k3 | owowow |
| 02:23:58 | thedude02 | what happened to it? |
| 02:23:59 | top_bloke | ultra moody |
| 02:24:03 | thedude02 | which one? |
| 02:24:07 | midknight2k3 | pinky |
| 02:24:12 | midknight2k3 | i hit it on the keyboard drawer |
| 02:24:17 | tracktheripper | ouch |
| 02:24:19 | tracktheripper | i did that once |
| 02:24:23 | thedude02 | lmao |
| 02:24:23 | top_bloke | yeah thats right |
| 02:24:29 | top_bloke | you deserve it |
| 02:24:34 | thedude02 | I don't have my keyboard in a drawer |
| 02:24:36 | midknight2k3 | i deserve it AHA |
| 02:24:41 | top_bloke | lol |
| 02:24:53 | top_bloke | keyboard in a drawer |
| 02:25:02 | thedude02 | I have it on a sliding shelf that has a tendency to slide in and knock my joystick partially off |
| 02:25:03 | midknight2k3 | the keyboard tray thing |
| 02:25:06 | midknight2k3 | YES |
| 02:25:11 | midknight2k3 | SLIDING SHELF |
| 02:25:15 | thedude02 | and it doesn't lock |
| 02:25:15 | midknight2k3 | TYPICALLY CALLED DRAWER |
| 02:25:19 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 02:25:21 | thedude02 | NO |
| 02:25:29 | thedude02 | IT ISNT CALLED DRAWER |
| 02:25:38 | thedude02 | IT'S CALLED THAT EXACTLY-SLIDING SHELF |
| 02:25:43 | * | midknight2k3 smacks thedude02 |
| 02:25:53 | thedude02 | oh yeah, and about moody, you need to see ME. |
| 02:25:57 | * | thedude02 slaps midknight2k3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:26:06 | midknight2k3 | ill say |
| 02:26:07 | * | thedude02 says midknight2k3 sucks |
| 02:26:16 | thedude02 | because he does |
| 02:26:20 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 02:26:37 | midknight2k3 | i hope you dont mean what i think you mean |
| 02:26:42 | midknight2k3 | if you do mean that, you are wrong |
| 02:26:45 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 02:26:51 | thedude02 | no, I don't mean you're *** |
| 02:26:59 | midknight2k3 | uh? |
| 02:27:01 | tracktheripper | why don't we all make up? |
| 02:27:24 | thedude02 | I PMd mid that word so none of you would know |
| 02:27:34 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 02:27:37 | thedude02 | anyways it consists of three letters |
| 02:27:38 | thedude02 | G |
| 02:27:40 | thedude02 | A |
| 02:27:41 | midknight2k3 | g a y |
| 02:27:43 | thedude02 | Y |
| 02:27:45 | midknight2k3 | what a bad word |
| 02:27:46 | thedude02 | exactly |
| 02:27:50 | midknight2k3 | exactly like the ipod |
| 02:27:53 | thedude02 | I don't mean you're gay |
| 02:27:56 | tracktheripper | :)) |
| 02:27:59 | tracktheripper | Good one mid |
| 02:28:00 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 02:28:04 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:28:04 | thedude02 | IPod is cool |
| 02:28:08 | top_bloke | u are so childish |
| 02:28:10 | tracktheripper | no they aren't |
| 02:28:11 | midknight2k3 | ahaha |
| 02:28:13 | midknight2k3 | they suck |
| 02:28:14 | midknight2k3 | large ones |
| 02:28:16 | midknight2k3 | yes, THAT WAY |
| 02:28:17 | tracktheripper | not with their cruddy battery performance |
| 02:28:47 | midknight2k3 | they totally just ... never mind |
| 02:28:55 | midknight2k3 | i wonder if logbot kicks for vulgar |
| 02:28:57 | thedude02 | the review of the Dell Digital Jukebox says it's about $100 cheaper than iPod and has twice the battery life and is even smaller than the iPod |
| 02:29:07 | midknight2k3 | not possible, no |
| 02:29:16 | midknight2k3 | dude: learn some stuff. ipods stink |
| 02:29:18 | thedude02 | buy one and see |
| 02:29:28 | midknight2k3 | i dont care for dell |
| 02:29:31 | top_bloke | ipod is sleek |
| 02:29:34 | thedude02 | Get an iPod and a DJ and compare |
| 02:29:40 | thedude02 | DJ is sleeker |
| 02:29:46 | top_bloke | dude! youre getting a dell! |
| 02:29:52 | midknight2k3 | haha |
| 02:30:00 | midknight2k3 | a dell jukebox |
| 02:30:01 | thedude02 | you alreadsy have 6 MP3 players; another 2 won't make a difference |
| 02:30:10 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 02:30:13 | midknight2k3 | they will stink up the house |
| 02:30:15 | thedude02 | I have everything DELL |
| 02:30:19 | midknight2k3 | i'd wipe the floow with the Pod |
| 02:30:23 | thedude02 | but I'm not getting a DJ |
| 02:30:38 | thedude02 | I don;t give a ruudy dam f*** for MP3 players. |
| 02:30:50 | thedude02 | sory for swearing. |
| 02:30:53 | midknight2k3 | ruudy dam f**? |
| 02:30:59 | thedude02 | sorry for swearing. |
| 02:31:01 | midknight2k3 | i'd never call that swearing |
| 02:31:07 | thedude02 | K |
| 02:31:09 | thedude02 | nor would I |
| 02:31:13 | thedude02 | but you never know |
| 02:31:19 | midknight2k3 | logbot decides that |
| 02:31:27 | thedude02 | thare are more than just us 2 people here |
| 02:31:34 | thedude02 | there are 23 excluding logbot |
| 02:31:42 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 02:31:45 | midknight2k3 | none of which come around |
| 02:31:51 | thedude02 | indeed |
| 02:31:54 | thedude02 | only four |
| 02:31:55 | top_bloke | what logbot dont count? |
| 02:31:58 | midknight2k3 | i doubt any person in here has never seen f*** revealed |
| 02:32:02 | top_bloke | logbot is people too |
| 02:32:04 | thedude02 | me you trackripper and topbloke |
| 02:32:08 | midknight2k3 | uhm |
| 02:32:10 | midknight2k3 | lots others |
| 02:32:13 | midknight2k3 | you just never around |
| 02:32:17 | midknight2k3 | thank god.. talk trasher |
| 02:32:21 | tracktheripper | yea but they aren't speaking |
| 02:32:25 | tracktheripper | the others in the list |
| 02:32:38 | midknight2k3 | better not than saying bad stuff |
| 02:33:08 | * | thedude02 slaps everyone around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:33:18 | thedude02 | correction: |
| 02:33:36 | * | thedude02 slaps everyone around a lot with a huge spikefish |
| 02:33:42 | thedude02 | lol |
| 02:34:02 | midknight2k3 | we dont all play alex 4, sorry |
| 02:34:26 | thedude02 | hey I only saw that relationship when you told me |
| 02:34:47 | thedude02 | I just meant a spikefish has spikes so it'll spike verybody who I slap with it |
| 02:35:39 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 02:36:09 | thedude02 | so |
| 02:36:22 | thedude02 | I'll be going |
| 02:36:24 | thedude02 | bye |
| 02:36:27 | | Quit thedude02 () |
| 02:39:31 | | Quit tracktheripper (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:54:05 | midknight2k3 | arghhjkl;'' |
| 02:54:11 | midknight2k3 | qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm |
| 02:54:47 | midknight2k3 | yp[+n;plr divld noh pmrd |
| 02:54:57 | midknight2k3 | top_bloke sucks big ones ^^ |
| 02:55:56 | top_bloke | u suck |
| 02:56:12 | midknight2k3 | i divl! |
| 02:56:25 | top_bloke | ? |
| 02:56:50 | midknight2k3 | u suck! ^ |
| 02:59:52 | top_bloke | ghjtsho joirhstoitrh rstoirstoitrh |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:02 | top_bloke | midknight2k3 sucks ^ |
| 03:00:15 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 03:00:18 | midknight2k3 | make no sense |
| 03:00:46 | midknight2k3 | ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;dfsasdfasdf;lasdfa' |
| 03:00:48 | top_bloke | is does to me |
| 03:00:56 | midknight2k3 | shuup |
| 03:01:05 | midknight2k3 | im busy heereeeee |
| 03:01:13 | top_bloke | it does to me |
| 03:01:19 | midknight2k3 | fine |
| 03:01:33 | top_bloke | fine. thats fine. |
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| 03:15:51 | midknight2k3 | hi scott |
| 03:15:55 | midknight2k3 | scott scott scotty |
| 03:17:09 | pokerjoker | you guys still here? |
| 03:17:32 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 03:18:30 | pokerjoker | how does the picture viewer work onthe daily build? |
| 03:18:44 | midknight2k3 | picture viewer |
| 03:18:45 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 03:18:48 | midknight2k3 | whazzzat |
| 03:18:56 | pokerjoker | yeah theres some kind of pic viewer |
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| 03:19:14 | midknight2k3 | oh? |
| 03:19:17 | midknight2k3 | since when |
| 03:19:44 | midknight2k3 | and whats it view |
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| 03:21:26 | midknight2k3 | http://google.com/search?q=picture+viewer+site:rockbox.haxx.se |
| 03:21:26 | Jon1 | hi |
| 03:21:29 | midknight2k3 | hey |
| 03:21:48 | Jon1 | have a question about jukebox. is this the right place? |
| 03:21:56 | midknight2k3 | yep |
| 03:22:04 | Jon1 | thanks |
| 03:22:33 | midknight2k3 | what is it? |
| 03:22:36 | Jon1 | i have rockbox v2 on my jukebox. how do i make the songs play sequentially |
| 03:22:40 | Jon1 | and not alphabetically |
| 03:22:47 | midknight2k3 | get a daily build fir one thing |
| 03:22:47 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 03:23:19 | midknight2k3 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml |
| 03:23:20 | Jon1 | what? |
| 03:23:26 | midknight2k3 | get a daily build |
| 03:23:28 | midknight2k3 | much better |
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| 03:23:54 | Jon1 | ok. am doing it now |
| 03:24:07 | midknight2k3 | lots of games :D |
| 03:24:20 | midknight2k3 | tetris and snake and star and all that |
| 03:24:22 | midknight2k3 | fun |
| 03:24:52 | Jon1 | how do i install this build |
| 03:25:28 | midknight2k3 | just unzip the file to the archos |
| 03:25:31 | midknight2k3 | its a zip file right |
| 03:25:38 | midknight2k3 | the top line for "recorder |
| 03:26:26 | pokerjoker | hey Jon1. im a bit green behind the ears too. Just put the Daily Build on my REcorder a couple days ago |
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| 03:26:53 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 03:27:01 | midknight2k3 | dont mind poker hes a bit odd |
| 03:27:05 | midknight2k3 | :) j/k |
| 03:27:07 | Jon1 | ok. thanks guys. i will put the build on the root directory? |
| 03:27:33 | pokerjoker | make sure theres a .rockbox directory in your root. |
| 03:27:44 | Jon1 | yes there is one |
| 03:27:51 | pokerjoker | the directions will tell you how to make one. just make sure the files go in the right place |
| 03:28:38 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 03:28:56 | pokerjoker | you need that file in the root, and everythign else goes in .rockbox |
| 03:30:03 | Jon1 | ok. am doing it now |
| 03:30:36 | Jon1 | i think i did it the right way |
| 03:30:42 | Jon1 | thanks |
| 03:30:45 | midknight2k3 | reboot |
| 03:30:52 | midknight2k3 | then turn of shuffle |
| 03:30:54 | midknight2k3 | off* |
| 03:31:01 | Jon1 | OK. hold on |
| 03:31:06 | midknight2k3 | i believe that may fix your problem |
| 03:31:18 | midknight2k3 | pokerjoker is added to the bluelist |
| 03:31:33 | Jon1 | still rebooting |
| 03:31:38 | midknight2k3 | oh btw |
| 03:31:44 | midknight2k3 | if you flash it.. it boots quicker |
| 03:32:02 | midknight2k3 | >3, <5 seconds |
| 03:32:06 | Jon1 | Ok. just booted it |
| 03:32:18 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 03:32:22 | midknight2k3 | takes a few seconds |
| 03:32:45 | midknight2k3 | now turn shuffle off (press f2 - top middle button) |
| 03:32:53 | midknight2k3 | then press the correct arrow key |
| 03:32:56 | midknight2k3 | as indicated |
| 03:33:12 | Jon1 | the shuffle is off |
| 03:33:17 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 03:33:23 | midknight2k3 | it should play sequentially |
| 03:33:34 | Jon1 | i tried playing a folder but the player still plays alphabetically |
| 03:33:36 | midknight2k3 | unless i don't understand what you mean.. |
| 03:33:39 | midknight2k3 | oh |
| 03:33:41 | Jon1 | sorry |
| 03:33:42 | midknight2k3 | well |
| 03:33:45 | midknight2k3 | nono wait |
| 03:33:54 | midknight2k3 | you want it out of order? |
| 03:34:00 | midknight2k3 | shuffle is like random mode |
| 03:34:09 | Jon1 | let me explain |
| 03:34:11 | midknight2k3 | what do you want it to do, and what is it doing |
| 03:34:15 | midknight2k3 | yes please |
| 03:34:38 | Jon1 | the songs have numbers in front of them, corresponding to the way they |
| 03:34:45 | Jon1 | were supposed to play on the original cd |
| 03:34:50 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 03:34:53 | Jon1 | I want them to play in that order |
| 03:35:12 | Jon1 | However, the display and the order they are played follows an alphabetical order |
| 03:35:18 | midknight2k3 | is it like "1 - xx" "2 - xx" ... "11 - xx" "12 - xx" ? |
| 03:35:24 | midknight2k3 | and so on? |
| 03:35:39 | Jon1 | let me see |
| 03:36:03 | midknight2k3 | if that is correct you'll want it to be "01 - xx" ... "11 - xx" ... |
| 03:36:13 | midknight2k3 | aka 0's before single digits |
| 03:36:33 | Jon1 | The label is 1. All I want |
| 03:36:41 | Jon1 | "1. All I want" |
| 03:36:54 | Jon1 | That is how it was automatically encoded on the computer |
| 03:36:59 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 03:37:08 | midknight2k3 | change single digits to 0x |
| 03:37:14 | midknight2k3 | add a 0 behind then |
| 03:37:20 | midknight2k3 | should solve your problems |
| 03:37:37 | Jon1 | Thanks. Will test that. Can you hold on? |
| 03:37:40 | midknight2k3 | as is they probably go 1, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 2, 20 etc |
| 03:37:41 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 03:37:44 | midknight2k3 | i stick around all night |
| 03:37:46 | midknight2k3 | :) |
| 03:41:05 | Jon1 | thanks. here's what i did. I modified the files on my computer while the jukebox |
| 03:41:15 | Jon1 | was connected. It did arrange the files to my liking |
| 03:41:23 | Jon1 | and that did solve the problem. thanks |
| 03:41:45 | midknight2k3 | yay! |
| 03:41:47 | Jon1 | I'm sorry but is there an automatic way for the songs to be played the normal sequence |
| 03:42:10 | midknight2k3 | not really |
| 03:42:15 | midknight2k3 | what do you use to encode |
| 03:42:37 | Jon1 | tried windows media player as well as musicmatch |
| 03:42:53 | Jon1 | they encoded them with the numbers 1..2...3..4 |
| 03:44:50 | midknight2k3 | hm |
| 03:44:59 | midknight2k3 | i believe you can tell it what to do |
| 03:45:05 | midknight2k3 | or use Super Tagging in MusicMatch |
| 03:45:41 | midknight2k3 | try this |
| 03:45:49 | Jon1 | supertagging. let me see |
| 03:45:51 | midknight2k3 | go to .rockbox->rocks->snake.rock |
| 03:45:54 | midknight2k3 | on the archos |
| 03:46:02 | midknight2k3 | press play on snake.rock |
| 03:46:07 | midknight2k3 | and give it a whirl |
| 03:50:15 | pokerjoker | snake doesnt have anything to do with mp3s |
| 03:50:22 | midknight2k3 | back in ONE MINUTE |
| 03:50:22 | midknight2k3 | so |
| 03:50:22 | midknight2k3 | its fun |
| 03:50:22 | pokerjoker | hey jon |
| 03:50:30 | pokerjoker | you use windows to encode mp3s? |
| 03:50:46 | diddystar5 | i do |
| 03:50:46 | Jon1 | yes. i use windows. am still figuring the supertagging |
| 03:50:48 | pokerjoker | windows media player? |
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| 03:50:56 | Jon1 | yes |
| 03:51:02 | pokerjoker | supertagging? is that like ID3 tags? |
| 03:51:08 | diddystar5 | i recomend using exactaudiocopy |
| 03:51:20 | diddystar5 | http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ |
| 03:51:22 | pokerjoker | i use audiograbber with the LAME encoder |
| 03:51:57 | diddystar5 | and cdex is good also |
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| 03:52:31 | pokerjoker | audiograbbers good, isnt it? |
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| 03:52:46 | diddystar5 | im not sure haevnt used it |
| 03:52:55 | midknight2k3 | i used it |
| 03:52:57 | midknight2k3 | hey he left |
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| 03:53:29 | pokerjoker | Jon is that yu |
| 03:53:39 | Guest | im back |
| 03:53:48 | pokerjoker | midknight what do you use |
| 03:54:11 | midknight2k3 | audiograbber sometimes |
| 03:54:12 | midknight2k3 | usually |
| 03:54:15 | midknight2k3 | used to |
| 03:54:18 | midknight2k3 | i dont rip much anymore |
| 03:54:47 | pokerjoker | yeah i use v1.8 with the LAME 3.8 encoder |
| 03:55:09 | pokerjoker | i stopped ripping after i built up my 100 cd archive two years ago |
| 03:55:12 | Guest | this is jon, got renamed to guest due to haste |
| 03:55:17 | pokerjoker | but now... im encoding much more |
| 03:55:32 | midknight2k3 | 18:52:35 | <midknight2k3> hey he left |
| 03:55:32 | midknight2k3 | 18:52:59 | * Guest has joined #rockbox |
| 03:55:38 | pokerjoker | everything at super=hi rate |
| 03:55:38 | midknight2k3 | i eat my words |
| 03:55:50 | midknight2k3 | faskernating |
| 04:00 |
| 04:05:28 | pokerjoker | hey jon |
| 04:05:38 | diddystar5 | goota go |
| 04:05:40 | pokerjoker | you should encode with audiograbber |
| 04:05:40 | diddystar5 | bye |
| 04:05:43 | midknight2k3 | bye |
| 04:05:44 | pokerjoker | bye diddy |
| 04:06:04 | midknight2k3 | ill try clock |
| 04:08:24 | diddystar5 | bye |
| 04:08:26 | | Quit diddystar5 ("Bye") |
| 04:08:51 | Guest | just finished using the supertag feature of musicmatch |
| 04:09:09 | Guest | it works and automatically puts the number as part of the filename |
| 04:09:37 | Guest | i just hope i remember to do it next time i "rip a cd" |
| 04:09:38 | midknight2k3 | like i said |
| 04:09:41 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 04:09:45 | midknight2k3 | good luck |
| 04:09:51 | Guest | thanks man |
| 04:09:57 | Guest | got to go |
| 04:10:00 | pokerjoker | you could get mp3 studio. pretty good |
| 04:10:05 | midknight2k3 | cya |
| 04:10:10 | midknight2k3 | no problemo |
| 04:10:19 | Guest | tnx |
| 04:10:20 | | Quit Guest ("Leaving") |
| 04:10:29 | pokerjoker | they never listen |
| 04:11:13 | midknight2k3 | ;\ |
| 04:11:14 | midknight2k3 | ? |
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| 04:30:09 | midknight2k3 | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 04:30:15 | * | midknight2k3 wants to cry |
| 04:53:35 | pokerjoker | hey midnkight |
| 04:53:45 | midknight2k3 | hey |
| 04:53:54 | pokerjoker | how important is it to ... uhm... do that VBR thing |
| 04:54:07 | midknight2k3 | vbr thing? |
| 04:54:10 | pokerjoker | i think its "create a VBR header" |
| 04:54:31 | midknight2k3 | oh.. on+play, update vbr file? |
| 04:56:42 | pokerjoker | yeah. see i just noticed something in Audiograbber, i think, that does that too... |
| 04:57:03 | midknight2k3 | i dont think its that important |
| 04:57:12 | midknight2k3 | only useful if your tracks show wrong info or something |
| 04:57:41 | pokerjoker | oh ok |
| 04:59:33 | pokerjoker | VBR header repair/add: |
| 04:59:40 | pokerjoker | under mp3 tag studio |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:03 | midknight2k3 | same as on rockbox |
| 05:00:13 | midknight2k3 | just do if it shows incorrect time or so |
| 05:00:52 | pokerjoker | oh ok. i see. thats cool. |
| 05:01:45 | midknight2k3 | you might wanna check it just in case |
| 05:02:05 | pokerjoker | mp3 tag studio has tht option - to fix teh tags. cool |
| 05:02:36 | midknight2k3 | just check it |
| 05:04:36 | midknight2k3 | goddammit |
| 05:04:39 | midknight2k3 | >:( |
| 05:04:46 | midknight2k3 | FINALLY!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:04:55 | midknight2k3 | jesus christ |
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| 05:18:09 | midknight2k3 | back in a few |
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| 06:01:14 | | Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") |
| 06:01:21 | midknight2k3 | back |
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| 06:15:13 | midknight2k3 | hi poker |
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| 06:49:23 | midknight2k3 | hey matsl |
| 06:50:12 | matsl | hi |
| 06:55:28 | midknight2k3 | whatcha doing |
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| 07:10:46 | midknight2k3 | seay |
| 07:10:48 | midknight2k3 | seeya |
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| 08:55:07 | pokerjoker | no one home |
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| 09:02:26 | webmind | ? |
| 09:08:04 | pokerjoker | hi |
| 09:10:57 | webmind | oi |
| 09:13:37 | pokerjoker | hows it going |
| 09:13:54 | webmind | quite good |
| 09:14:01 | webmind | you? |
| 09:17:14 | pokerjoker | doing alrite. where you from |
| 09:18:18 | webmind | .nl |
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| 09:19:46 | pokerjoker | nl ? |
| 09:21:34 | pokerjoker | whts that mean |
| 09:21:57 | pokerjoker | i just encoded 1.83 gigs of Pet Shop Boys |
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| 09:25:48 | webmind | netherlands |
| 09:31:25 | pokerjoker | oh k. i think ive heard of that |
| 09:31:36 | webmind | you've heard of it ??? |
| 09:31:40 | webmind | you think? |
| 09:31:44 | pokerjoker | yes. |
| 09:31:52 | webmind | where's you from? us? :) |
| 09:32:04 | pokerjoker | yeah. isnt netherlands a state too? |
| 09:32:11 | webmind | lol |
| 09:32:50 | webmind | almost these days :) |
| 09:34:37 | pokerjoker | im just joking with you |
| 09:34:43 | webmind | i know |
| 09:35:05 | webmind | but your close.. current gov is sucking bushes arse |
| 09:35:09 | pokerjoker | have you upgraded archos hardware before. like, added more RAM ? |
| 09:35:23 | webmind | neh.. i only upgraded my hd |
| 09:35:31 | pokerjoker | don't worry about your government... its not like they are representing you. |
| 09:35:50 | pokerjoker | no one i know (well maybe one or two people) actually agrees with bush |
| 09:36:04 | webmind | well.. that's the idea with democracy.. they do |
| 09:36:07 | webmind | just not me |
| 09:36:20 | pokerjoker | not many people here like george bush |
| 09:36:31 | pokerjoker | the ones who do are too stupid and lazy to vote |
| 09:36:37 | webmind | is good.. but he still got elected |
| 09:36:56 | pokerjoker | so basically, he just seized control of our country... like a terrorist seizes control of a plane. how, ironic. |
| 09:37:02 | webmind | heh |
| 09:37:20 | webmind | you call that a dictator |
| 09:37:24 | pokerjoker | anyway. what kind of HD did you get? |
| 09:37:35 | webmind | 40gb one |
| 09:37:40 | pokerjoker | yeah i think bush is a tyrant. people dont realize how fucked up it is |
| 09:37:50 | pokerjoker | Ive been looking at 40GB too |
| 09:37:56 | webmind | he's a christian fundamentalist aswell |
| 09:38:09 | webmind | and those are just as bad as any other |
| 09:38:12 | webmind | just bigger |
| 09:39:15 | pokerjoker | my grandma is a bit of a fundamentalist. but shes not an idiot like bush is. she knows Iraq was stupid |
| 09:39:37 | pokerjoker | kinda surprised me, that she would be so wise. she is from the WW2 generation. |
| 09:40:06 | webmind | any kid could've known that what they did too iraq and how they did it was stupid |
| 09:40:10 | pokerjoker | the whole situation frustrates me. but i think it will make people more political now. everyone is going to vote next election |
| 09:40:19 | webmind | hell i know a 10 year old that knew |
| 09:40:36 | pokerjoker | yeah, try telling that to a fundamentalist Marine. |
| 09:40:48 | pokerjoker | its easier to be ignorant |
| 09:41:01 | pokerjoker | military people are fucked |
| 09:41:06 | webmind | well it makes you think.. there are 10 year old kids smarter then the peopl ruling of a country |
| 09:41:14 | pokerjoker | ...and they are self righteous |
| 09:41:26 | webmind | of=over |
| 09:41:34 | pokerjoker | im not sure i would say smart. its just a matter of pride |
| 09:41:46 | pokerjoker | and vanity |
| 09:42:11 | pokerjoker | you have to be really vain to think that by destabilizing a country, that you can make peoples lives better |
| 09:42:29 | pokerjoker | but i dont think that bush really believes that. i think rumsfeld and powell are evil men. |
| 09:42:48 | pokerjoker | ever since 1996 i have disliked powell. i think he is yellow, and i think he is a coward. |
| 09:43:11 | pokerjoker | in 1996 both parties wanted him to run for president |
| 09:43:37 | pokerjoker | oh well. its a mess. like i said, i studied history in college. and situations like Vietnam are understandable, to me. |
| 09:43:57 | pokerjoker | but Iraq, ...Iraq was a scam |
| 09:44:26 | webmind | it's egoism |
| 09:44:40 | pokerjoker | you ask any professor at a university here and he will tell you bush is wrong. |
| 09:44:44 | webmind | and plain stupid |
| 09:45:08 | webmind | they didn't even have a plan for after the war |
| 09:45:14 | pokerjoker | webmind, the goals of people like bush is not to "stabilize" the world, but to fuck it up and make some money |
| 09:45:17 | webmind | yeah we won!.. now what? |
| 09:45:28 | dwihno | stable! stable as hell! :D |
| 09:45:56 | pokerjoker | the plan after messing iraq is to get your hands in the rebuilding. they have a monopoly on contracts, they wouldnt even share with Britain after Blair put his ass on the line |
| 09:45:59 | webmind | hell would be correct :) |
| 09:46:02 | webmind | morning dwihno |
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| 09:46:22 | webmind | pokerjoker, basicly.. put there where no detailed plans |
| 09:46:29 | pokerjoker | After the gulf war, there were several politicians who had contracts on commodities and other things, made billions of dollars. |
| 09:46:46 | pokerjoker | webmind, they didnt care about plans. that wasnt the objective. |
| 09:46:49 | dwihno | morning webmind |
| 09:46:53 | webmind | yeah |
| 09:47:08 | webmind | awell.. it was/is stupid.. |
| 09:47:14 | pokerjoker | the objective, was money and power. it makes me sick. i wish Jimmy Carter were president |
| 09:47:26 | webmind | who's that ? |
| 09:47:34 | pokerjoker | if Carter told me to join the army and fight for him, i would. and im a passifist |
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| 09:47:37 | webmind | i'd wish people would think for them selves |
| 09:47:45 | pokerjoker | Carter was a president we had in the 1970s |
| 09:47:52 | webmind | pokerjoker, uhm that's bad |
| 09:47:56 | pokerjoker | he is very cool |
| 09:48:04 | webmind | no person should go above your own principles ? |
| 09:48:07 | pokerjoker | he is a humble guy, very very smart, and a humanitarian |
| 09:48:28 | pokerjoker | for carter i would. he is a generous man. he failed to be reelected though... |
| 09:48:30 | webmind | you had a smart person and a humanitarian as president ?? |
| 09:48:57 | pokerjoker | because he lost to Reagan. He lost because he had plans and argued on issues for envirmental and energy control |
| 09:49:12 | pokerjoker | and all reagan said was "im for democracy and freedom" ... that was bullshit |
| 09:49:17 | webmind | heh |
| 09:49:38 | pokerjoker | Carter was a great guy, no shit ... he still does stuff. won a nobel not too long ago |
| 09:49:45 | webmind | that's why i wouldn't join the army.. i'd never fight for a country like that.. |
| 09:49:57 | pokerjoker | he started a program to help homeless people. does bush care about homeless? nope. |
| 09:50:03 | webmind | well unless loss would be worse.. but i'd prolly not fight within the army |
| 09:50:12 | webmind | don't like to be cannon fodder |
| 09:50:21 | pokerjoker | me either |
| 09:50:28 | pokerjoker | reagan was an asshole |
| 09:50:39 | pokerjoker | bush senior was cocky |
| 09:50:40 | webmind | wasn't he an actor aswell ? |
| 09:50:55 | pokerjoker | clinton was "ok" i guess. and bush junior is a poophead. |
| 09:51:17 | pokerjoker | reagan was an actor. acted with the Duke, which is his only redeamable quality |
| 09:51:59 | webmind | clinton wasnt much better |
| 09:52:04 | webmind | just a little less worse |
| 09:52:53 | webmind | problem stays the same though.. a country isnt it's president.. people should just think |
| 09:55:34 | pokerjoker | well, its a conundrum |
| 09:55:55 | ze | it's no big deal |
| 09:56:18 | ze | check out the top post (or 2) on free-zero.yi.org for another perspective |
| 09:57:18 | webmind | pokerjoker, not really.. it all lies within people |
| 09:57:28 | dwihno | Ditt namn är Jan Banan! |
| 09:58:09 | pokerjoker | what does |
| 09:58:18 | pokerjoker | people are powerless |
| 09:58:23 | webmind | no they are not |
| 09:58:26 | pokerjoker | we are bred to be stupid and greedy |
| 09:58:31 | ze | people have way more power than they realize |
| 09:58:41 | webmind | pokerjoker, doesnt mean you have to follow |
| 09:58:45 | ze | even a single individual has more power than most people know |
| 09:58:50 | webmind | people have the ability to choose |
| 09:58:54 | webmind | they just don't |
| 09:59:05 | pokerjoker | do you think that we are evolving, like animals? no, we are being domesticated like dogs. The strong are removed. |
| 09:59:35 | webmind | actually there is some evolution within humans.. but this i consider a completely different subject |
| 09:59:48 | webmind | people just don't do a fuck |
| 09:59:52 | ze | thats something that's lost on the bulk of the population though... the fact that most of the major changes in the human world have been set in motion by individuals |
| 09:59:57 | webmind | because they think they are happy |
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| 10:00:00 | webmind | so all is well |
| 10:00:01 | pokerjoker | I believe we are devolving |
| 10:00:13 | ze | pokerjoker: lots of people on this planet |
| 10:00:29 | ze | one can't really say anything about all of them |
| 10:00:35 | webmind | pokerjoker, we are not one.. some people do, some people don't |
| 10:00:38 | pokerjoker | webmind, people dont do anything - but that doesnt mean that they consider their life fortunate |
| 10:00:44 | ze | maybe the masses are devolving |
| 10:00:44 | webmind | some people do |
| 10:00:55 | ze | but there's still evolution going on |
| 10:01:02 | pokerjoker | have you ever lived in the states webmind? its a lot different here |
| 10:01:15 | webmind | pokerjoker, then they think there actions are meaningless |
| 10:01:21 | pokerjoker | ze, if theres evolution, its for about 5% of the population or so |
| 10:01:26 | ze | pokerjoker: sure |
| 10:01:32 | ze | pokerjoker: but thats enough |
| 10:01:32 | webmind | pokerjoker, the US aren't the world.. you people should learn that |
| 10:01:37 | webmind | lot's f other countries |
| 10:01:39 | webmind | +o |
| 10:01:57 | pokerjoker | i know people who work 80 hours a week. 80 hours. and do they think they have control of their lives? |
| 10:02:08 | webmind | hmm. i work 24 hours a week :) |
| 10:02:11 | ze | heh |
| 10:02:12 | ze | i don't work |
| 10:02:14 | pokerjoker | never said we were the world. dont misinterpret what i am saying |
| 10:02:25 | webmind | pokerjoker, you implied it.. |
| 10:02:40 | webmind | pokerjoker, but even if you work 80 hours a week.. there is atleast some things you can do |
| 10:02:53 | webmind | is=are |
| 10:02:59 | webmind | pardon my broken english today |
| 10:03:00 | pokerjoker | never implied it at all. im just saying its different here. its not like most people think. Its not "seinfeld" or an episode of "friends" |
| 10:03:13 | webmind | heh.. ofcoz not |
| 10:03:14 | ze | haha those shows are so dumb |
| 10:03:35 | ze | those are like the 2 most perfect examples i know of, of how inane and assinine popular television is |
| 10:03:40 | | Quit oxygen77 () |
| 10:03:42 | pokerjoker | webmind, you should know - if you studied the classics - its easier for people to be disenfranchised and led, and to create profit for the upper class |
| 10:03:48 | webmind | everyone knows it's like oprah.. ;) |
| 10:04:09 | webmind | pokerjoker, ofcourse it's easier.. |
| 10:04:09 | pokerjoker | has technology freed us from work? no. |
| 10:04:16 | ze | not yet |
| 10:04:26 | ze | but corporations and idiots keep holding it back |
| 10:04:33 | webmind | pokerjoker, but if people would think they wouldn't be fooled so stupidly |
| 10:04:38 | webmind | people just don't know |
| 10:04:41 | webmind | that's step 1 |
| 10:04:57 | pokerjoker | people arent taught to think. the US is what i know best, and i know how peopel live here. |
| 10:05:05 | pokerjoker | its a very stressful, competitive place. |
| 10:05:22 | webmind | pokerjoker, doesnt mean thay shouldn't |
| 10:05:26 | ze | it's true, they're not taught to think |
| 10:05:28 | ze | they're taught to repeat the tasks given to them |
| 10:05:33 | webmind | "you can escape your programming" |
| 10:05:39 | webmind | just takes effort |
| 10:06:00 | pokerjoker | people cannot enlighten themselves. its the responsibility of the enlightened to show others. but education isnt disseminated thru our culture here. |
| 10:06:20 | pokerjoker | its all greed, hedonism, self preservation, egotistical and vanity |
| 10:07:01 | pokerjoker | well, lets suppose for a moment that i am "enlightened" (for lack of a better word) |
| 10:07:04 | webmind | bullshit |
| 10:07:23 | webmind | you can enlighten yourself. if you want |
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| 10:07:33 | pokerjoker | then why are others not aware of their environment? because they have been bred to be weak, and led, domesticated |
| 10:07:36 | webmind | just not very easy |
| 10:07:43 | webmind | some people are |
| 10:07:47 | pokerjoker | but some peopel choose not to. why? |
| 10:07:47 | ze | webmind: the problem is they don't have anything to spark it |
| 10:08:08 | webmind | ze, true.. |
| 10:08:13 | webmind | ze, and help does help a lot |
| 10:08:28 | ze | personally, i only took what i wanted from public education and rejected a large deal |
| 10:08:31 | webmind | but it's not like they can't |
| 10:08:32 | pokerjoker | why would someone rather suffer their entire life, hauling lumber on their back instead of getting a nice job with insurance and holidays |
| 10:08:39 | ze | not rejected education but the methods mostly |
| 10:08:45 | ze | all that rote memorization and repetitive tasks |
| 10:08:54 | ze | i got through school on test scores hehe |
| 10:09:02 | pokerjoker | i believe its difficult to succeed here |
| 10:09:09 | webmind | pokerjoker, because they find hauling lumber satisfying ? |
| 10:09:23 | webmind | pokerjoker, there are acually loads of valid reasons |
| 10:09:27 | webmind | +t |
| 10:09:29 | pokerjoker | and only a few can. the rest, suck ass their entire lives. they live in the repetitive cycles of crime and poverty, and poor health |
| 10:09:32 | ze | pokerjoker: the perception that it's difficult is the problem |
| 10:09:39 | ze | pokerjoker: that's part of what's being taught |
| 10:09:45 | ze | pokerjoker: and it's what actually makes it difficult |
| 10:10:12 | pokerjoker | webmind, a more valid reason is this: its easier for people like Bush to say " i like freedom and liberty, now lets work" then it is for Bush to actually promote education |
| 10:10:16 | ze | success is just a matter of keeping trying |
| 10:10:18 | ze | heh |
| 10:10:18 | webmind | people shouldjust take a look and think on what people are saying |
| 10:10:27 | webmind | and i'm not promesing better jobs.. |
| 10:10:34 | pokerjoker | its easier for the rich to keep the stupid stupider |
| 10:10:34 | webmind | that's populistic bullsjit |
| 10:10:53 | webmind | true.. but ain't everything |
| 10:11:27 | pokerjoker | the solution to 9-11 was this : better diplomatic and foriegn relations. |
| 10:11:39 | ze | heh |
| 10:12:02 | pokerjoker | ANYONE with any sense and critical thinking knows to address the problem, and not react to it. but, the goals for politicians isnt to SOLVE problems |
| 10:12:07 | ze | yeah giving the taliban $40mil a few months earlier was such an aggressive thing to do to them |
| 10:12:08 | pokerjoker | but to profit from them |
| 10:12:51 | pokerjoker | sure, the taliban was great when we were worried about the communists |
| 10:12:56 | ze | (which, btw, was equivalent to the taliban's annual budget at the time.. you could say we funded the attack on ourself) |
| 10:13:12 | pokerjoker | ze, we did bring it upon ourselves |
| 10:13:21 | ze | honestly |
| 10:13:28 | ze | i'm not sure i see the taliban's motivation |
| 10:13:47 | ze | and i still think it's kinda strange that no responsibilty was claimed |
| 10:13:55 | pokerjoker | the responsible action wouldve been to find a solution to the cause of problems. |
| 10:14:13 | webmind | ze, the motivation wasnt about money |
| 10:14:16 | ze | i guess one could argue that the attack was self-explanitory enough in it's message, but generally terrorists are trying to make some sorta point and aren't shy about it |
| 10:14:19 | webmind | the world isnt about money |
| 10:14:20 | pokerjoker | the whole thing stinks doesnt it? im not sure i believe anything |
| 10:14:42 | pokerjoker | webmind the world IS about money |
| 10:14:47 | ze | webmind: i didn't say anything about money |
| 10:14:58 | webmind | pokerjoker, no.. that's what they want you to think.. so you play there game |
| 10:14:59 | pokerjoker | money and power |
| 10:15:09 | pokerjoker | how do i play their game? |
| 10:15:19 | webmind | buy asuming the world is about money |
| 10:15:19 | ze | i just don't believe that 9/11 is what everybody's been told it was |
| 10:15:22 | webmind | but it isnt |
| 10:15:27 | webmind | money isnt more then a simple tool |
| 10:15:37 | ze | i honestly would not be suprised if the bush's and their friends didn't have something to do with it |
| 10:15:37 | pokerjoker | im not sure i get your reasoning |
| 10:15:38 | webmind | there's a lot mor too it |
| 10:15:43 | webmind | there's +e |
| 10:15:46 | webmind | arg |
| 10:15:48 | webmind | damn typo's |
| 10:16:15 | ze | money's fucked |
| 10:16:18 | ze | it's a mass hallucination |
| 10:16:23 | ze | especially in the current condition |
| 10:16:36 | ze | most of it's value is artificial |
| 10:16:40 | webmind | pokerjoker, money is a tool useful for exchange.. nothing more.. the world is a lot more.. and doesnt revolve around it |
| 10:16:48 | ze | i guess money is ok if there's real worth attatched to it |
| 10:17:05 | ze | but so much of it now isn't even supported by anything |
| 10:17:06 | webmind | if the world was about money.. lot's of initiatives i've seen never would've existed |
| 10:17:11 | pokerjoker | money represents the distribution of goods |
| 10:17:30 | pokerjoker | webmind, you are living in a more socialist area |
| 10:17:36 | webmind | pokerjoker, i try to.. |
| 10:17:56 | webmind | i choose my surroundings carefully |
| 10:17:57 | pokerjoker | we are very materialist here |
| 10:18:08 | pokerjoker | were you born in the states |
| 10:18:29 | webmind | pokerjoker, doesn't mean the world is about money |
| 10:18:39 | webmind | if you tihnk that you're basicly lost |
| 10:18:51 | pokerjoker | no sir. if you dont realize it, then you are lost |
| 10:19:07 | pokerjoker | perhaps you misunderstand me |
| 10:19:21 | pokerjoker | but my contention is this: things happen for the sake of money and power |
| 10:19:42 | webmind | true |
| 10:20:14 | pokerjoker | you think Spaniards came to South America to help natives out? You think Brits stayed in India for a few hundred years because they liked them? And the French in Asia? |
| 10:20:20 | webmind | people are selfish and powerhungry.. and think money will make them happy |
| 10:20:36 | pokerjoker | To me, money is not very important. Im close to being a Buddhist, in many ways. |
| 10:20:43 | webmind | pokerjoker, things happen because of money.. doesnt mean the world is about money |
| 10:21:28 | pokerjoker | But money and power - economics - drives everything. Aristotle said it, Marx restated it, and Bush and Rumsfeld sure as hell know it... |
| 10:21:40 | pokerjoker | our fates are decided by money |
| 10:21:51 | webmind | not everything by far |
| 10:21:58 | webmind | bullshit |
| 10:21:59 | pokerjoker | those with it control our destiny, in the material world |
| 10:22:07 | webmind | you choose your live |
| 10:22:09 | webmind | not money |
| 10:22:21 | pokerjoker | webmind you cannot live by yourself |
| 10:22:26 | pokerjoker | without others |
| 10:22:39 | webmind | depending on where you live, you may have little choice.. but there is -alway- choice |
| 10:22:46 | webmind | pokerjoker, you can.. and people do |
| 10:22:50 | pokerjoker | and if you live with others, you depend on their contributions, their assets |
| 10:23:26 | webmind | money doesn't decide what i will do tomorrow |
| 10:23:30 | pokerjoker | name one group of people who have not been affectd by money |
| 10:23:35 | webmind | money doesnt decide what i'm gonna with my life |
| 10:23:47 | pokerjoker | webmind have you ever had a job |
| 10:23:54 | webmind | i have one now |
| 10:24:00 | pokerjoker | would you work for free? |
| 10:24:07 | ze | pokerjoker: there's several tribes sprinked throughout the world that have not had any contact with anything from the modern world |
| 10:24:07 | pokerjoker | would you continue to work if you didnt get paid |
| 10:24:08 | webmind | pokerjoker, i do.. i volunteer |
| 10:24:25 | pokerjoker | so the only job you have is a volunteer job |
| 10:24:28 | webmind | pokerjoker, if i would be able to survive |
| 10:24:51 | ze | there's also plenty of people who hole themselves up in some remote chunk of land somewhere |
| 10:24:54 | pokerjoker | but you CANT survive without money. without becoming part of the system. Man, havent you ever listened to Roger Waters? |
| 10:24:55 | ze | there's always possibilities |
| 10:25:03 | ze | pokerjoker: you can |
| 10:25:11 | webmind | pokerjoker, you can.. lots of people do damnit.. get some sense of what happens in the world |
| 10:25:17 | ze | there's communes out there too |
| 10:25:25 | webmind | and mind you.. i'm not saying money isnt usefull.. it just doesnt rule my life |
| 10:25:33 | pokerjoker | ze - many tribes have been killed or moved for land or oil, or religion - and religion (like Catholicism) usually factors back to money and power |
| 10:25:42 | ze | pokerjoker: yeah, so? |
| 10:26:03 | ze | the point is there ARE groups of people living on this planet that don't use money and aren't being effected by the rest of the world |
| 10:26:18 | webmind | pokerjoker, stuff happens for money.. it doesnt make the world though.. only if everyone believes it does.. which is what people with money want you to think |
| 10:26:34 | ze | at least not directly.. of course you could say our contributions to global warming and air pollution and stuff has an impact on them, but that's not what we're talknig about so hehe |
| 10:26:39 | webmind | money is useful as trade too aswell.. |
| 10:26:42 | pokerjoker | my point is, economics drives history. its a matter of time before everyone becomes part of the machine |
| 10:26:58 | ze | it's not a matter of time |
| 10:27:14 | webmind | i don't work here -because- i get paid.. i could work somewhere else if this place suit me anymore |
| 10:27:15 | pokerjoker | webmind, i have seen many things in my time, and the result has been a rejection of money and material wealth |
| 10:27:36 | webmind | pokerjoker, that's because people believe in it.. |
| 10:27:41 | webmind | only reason why it works |
| 10:27:52 | ze | pokerjoker: would you have seen those things without this state of affairs? |
| 10:28:08 | ze | pokerjoker: you say they're breeding dogs |
| 10:28:08 | pokerjoker | what state of affairs are you reffering to |
| 10:28:23 | ze | pokerjoker: yet it's this very machine that's provided you with the information and motivation to come to such conclusions |
| 10:28:31 | ze | pokerjoker: there's always cracks in the wall |
| 10:28:34 | ze | pokerjoker: always. |
| 10:29:11 | pokerjoker | its predominately the rule though |
| 10:29:24 | webmind | pokerjoker, i use money yes.. i don't live by it.. money wouldn't determin my vote.. if i would fight or not.. or what things i choose to live for |
| 10:29:43 | ze | technology's reaching a point (and may get there sooner than anybody realizes) where something new can happen |
| 10:29:52 | webmind | money helps me provide as a tool.. not a goal.. otherwise i'd be working a lot better job |
| 10:29:58 | pokerjoker | there might be a band of monks that live in Temple A on the outskirts of civilization. But when Civilization B gets tired of being disenfranchised, people result to greed. Its human nature, and survival |
| 10:30:08 | ze | it's coming to the point where it's sufficiently advanced to be used to either enslave or free people |
| 10:30:15 | ze | each to a much higher degree than ever before in history |
| 10:30:24 | webmind | pokerjoker, greed is MADE human nature |
| 10:30:31 | webmind | pokerjoker, it's a cultural thing |
| 10:30:37 | webmind | not natural |
| 10:30:44 | pokerjoker | webmind, i dont believe that many people consciously choose to do things for the sake of money. most people do not |
| 10:30:51 | ze | actually from what i've read greed is part of the survival instinct |
| 10:30:53 | pokerjoker | that doesnt make at any less of a factor though |
| 10:30:54 | ze | a leftover from harder times |
| 10:31:07 | ze | and there's nothing wrong with greed |
| 10:31:17 | ze | most people just have it misplaced |
| 10:31:21 | ze | you should be greedy for life and experience |
| 10:31:33 | webmind | pokerjoker, it is a factor.. because people believe in it.. i'm not dening it doesnt have power.. but the power is -only- there because people believe in it |
| 10:31:36 | ze | not material wealth |
| 10:31:48 | webmind | the less people believe.. the less power |
| 10:31:53 | pokerjoker | for my example, i was trying to say something along the lines of China and Tibet. kinda skewed it though |
| 10:32:07 | webmind | and that's the point.. you shouldn't believe. it's in your disadvantage anyway |
| 10:32:21 | pokerjoker | webmind, if people did not believe in money - in a unifying factor - their would be chaos, or complete assimilation. |
| 10:32:33 | webmind | pokerjoker, i didn't say that |
| 10:32:46 | webmind | i said people shouldn't believe in the -power- of money |
| 10:32:55 | ze | forget about money |
| 10:32:57 | pokerjoker | you said several times, "money is a factor" because people believe it |
| 10:33:01 | ze | it's exactly what you think it is but it doesn't matter |
| 10:33:08 | webmind | pokerjoker, within power |
| 10:33:13 | ze | you can live without it |
| 10:33:26 | ze | and not only that, but credit and inflation and such |
| 10:33:44 | ze | have pretty much dug into the foundations of our economic system so deep that it doesn't have the support it needs to survive |
| 10:33:59 | ze | like i said, too much of the money out there doesn't have anything backing it |
| 10:34:21 | ze | i'm not saying it's all just gonna collapse soon or anything |
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| 10:34:32 | ze | but it's certainly not here to stay |
| 10:34:32 | ze | heh |
| 10:34:35 | pokerjoker | webmind: what troubles me about this topic is that you seem to be addressing some personal aspect of my life, and i am speaking about the influence on society as a whole |
| 10:34:37 | tracktheripper | morning |
| 10:34:40 | pokerjoker | that is my perspective |
| 10:34:46 | webmind | pokerjoker, i am not |
| 10:34:53 | tracktheripper | morning webmind |
| 10:34:57 | webmind | morning tracktheripper |
| 10:35:03 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 10:35:07 | ze | so just start a campaign to educate people on the truth |
| 10:35:10 | pokerjoker | all you need is love |
| 10:35:11 | tracktheripper | makes a change that you didn't say "oi" this time |
| 10:35:11 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 10:35:14 | webmind | pokerjoker, the point is.. the world is about yourlife.. and mine.. and ze's and tracktheripper's |
| 10:35:25 | tracktheripper | and midknight2k3s |
| 10:35:35 | pokerjoker | ze, i have tried to be benevolent and kind and helpful to people, but they would rather be ignorant to the truth |
| 10:35:42 | webmind | it's about people.. the things that actually are on this planet |
| 10:35:48 | ze | pokerjoker: everybody's got their perspective |
| 10:35:52 | webmind | money isn't anything by itself |
| 10:35:59 | ze | pokerjoker: you can get anybody from any perspective to any other perspective |
| 10:36:05 | tracktheripper | What happened to the rockbox chat that used to be on here |
| 10:36:07 | tracktheripper | > |
| 10:36:08 | tracktheripper | ? |
| 10:36:08 | ze | pokerjoker: the trick is just in the dynamic feedback |
| 10:36:22 | webmind | tracktheripper, i noticed pokerjoker was american and couldn't resist ;) |
| 10:36:28 | ze | pokerjoker: you have to link from what's there |
| 10:36:30 | pokerjoker | yes ze, but some peoples perspectives are really stupid and flawed. im not talking about you guys ... im talking about people who agree with my president and war and such. |
| 10:36:56 | ze | pokerjoker: you just have to know where they're at and how to go from there to where they need to be |
| 10:37:08 | pokerjoker | ze, their may be a method to it. they call it charisma i think. |
| 10:37:22 | ze | well |
| 10:37:27 | ze | it's not all about charisma |
| 10:37:31 | webmind | everyone has it's own level of understanding.. but they should understand |
| 10:37:34 | pokerjoker | true. havent thought of that, though i see what you are saying |
| 10:37:37 | ze | charisma helps, but that's not what it is |
| 10:37:50 | pokerjoker | then again, if i were closeminded, then i might never see your point of view |
| 10:37:58 | ze | but that is another approach, with charisma you can sell most people almost anything |
| 10:38:13 | pokerjoker | i know what you saying though |
| 10:38:24 | webmind | close minded is one of the stupidest things you can be.. the chances of 1 person actually being absolutely right... |
| 10:38:27 | webmind | :) |
| 10:38:29 | pokerjoker | and web, i hope you didnt argue with me b/c im from the states, seriously |
| 10:38:35 | ze | heh |
| 10:38:40 | webmind | pokerjoker, neh. :) |
| 10:39:02 | ze | pokerjoker: part of the thing of getting through to people is reading their current state |
| 10:39:13 | pokerjoker | nebraska? |
| 10:39:17 | ze | every education is tailored to the individual |
| 10:39:45 | ze | the method is to be aware and dynamic, to not use a method :p |
| 10:39:47 | pokerjoker | lots of pragmatic people though, its not easy to "help" them |
| 10:40:04 | ze | it doesn't matter what perspective they have |
| 10:40:12 | ze | what matters is understanding what perspective they have |
| 10:40:22 | pokerjoker | well, for example |
| 10:40:31 | pokerjoker | i have this friend who is very reasonable |
| 10:40:37 | webmind | actually.. telling people the truth usually doesnt help a lot |
| 10:40:38 | ze | you just gotta find the bits to throw them that they'll take to |
| 10:40:38 | ze | heh |
| 10:40:46 | webmind | showing them on the other hand |
| 10:40:46 | pokerjoker | but he has reasoned some unreasonable thoughts. he has been misled. |
| 10:41:06 | ze | webmind: good point |
| 10:41:11 | ze | there's a lot more to communication than just words |
| 10:41:12 | pokerjoker | his point of view is selfish and intolerant, he is racist and hateful. i cannot change that i believe. how can you? |
| 10:41:18 | ze | experience is the most powerful thing there is to a human mind |
| 10:41:50 | webmind | ze, because the most trust worthy person is yourself.. in anycase |
| 10:42:04 | pokerjoker | hell, ive met fundamentalist christians with PhD's who would NEVER listen to you say something. i suppose its postmodern - or something |
| 10:42:09 | ze | webmind: well hopefully, for most people |
| 10:42:10 | ze | hehe |
| 10:42:17 | webmind | pokerjoker, reminds me of a episode of the twilight zone :) |
| 10:42:21 | pokerjoker | some people have reasoned themselves to be unreasonable |
| 10:42:40 | webmind | pokerjoker, just beat they're reasoning |
| 10:42:42 | ze | pokerjoker: but there's always a way to reason them out of it... but like webmind pointed out, it might take more than words |
| 10:42:45 | webmind | if you're right.. it's possible |
| 10:43:08 | ze | shit it's almost 2am |
| 10:43:15 | pokerjoker | but they root their reason is arguments like "well, it is just my world view that there is a creator" or "Well, its my belief that might makes right" |
| 10:43:17 | webmind | 10.40 here |
| 10:43:17 | ze | i was supposed to go to bed Earlier tonight not later |
| 10:43:40 | pokerjoker | if someone attaches himself to a core belief like that, after about 25 years of living, its hard to pry them from it |
| 10:43:43 | webmind | pokerjoker, look at the flaws then |
| 10:43:54 | webmind | christianity has loads of them |
| 10:44:00 | webmind | and don't point them out |
| 10:44:02 | webmind | use them |
| 10:44:09 | pokerjoker | sure, you could take them to Rwanda and show them reality ... but these people dont have to experience this, so they never will |
| 10:44:27 | webmind | christianity for instance is very selfish belief... |
| 10:44:59 | webmind | it's inflexbile.. self powering |
| 10:44:59 | pokerjoker | how would you reason someone out of being christian |
| 10:45:04 | ze | webmind: thats funny cause most people aren't selfish enough |
| 10:45:12 | webmind | ze, exactly.. |
| 10:45:26 | webmind | show them what they are really doing |
| 10:45:43 | ze | pokerjoker: don't use reason |
| 10:45:49 | ze | pokerjoker: religion isn't based on reason |
| 10:45:49 | webmind | pokerjoker, depends on the person.. and how they believe.. as ze's said.. it's tailer made |
| 10:46:01 | webmind | ze, uhm.. but reason can beat it |
| 10:46:07 | ze | webmind: indeed |
| 10:46:14 | pokerjoker | i think you guys are full of demons. someone get the stocks ready. build a fire. |
| 10:46:14 | ze | but |
| 10:46:20 | ze | as pokerjoker seems to know |
| 10:46:33 | ze | it tends to close itself off from logical scrutiny |
| 10:46:45 | webmind | mind you.. i don't deny the existance of a god.. but i do claim the belief in it as mainly used is abusing |
| 10:47:01 | webmind | although abusing isnt the right word |
| 10:47:13 | webmind | ze, true |
| 10:47:26 | webmind | ze, b ut if you show them.. they'll have to see it |
| 10:47:37 | webmind | it's not a miracle system.. it takes time |
| 10:47:42 | ze | yeah |
| 10:47:56 | ze | one time i had this dream where i had godlike powers |
| 10:48:04 | webmind | but if they can't avoid it.. they'll have no choice |
| 10:48:08 | pokerjoker | how old are you guys? no bullshit. |
| 10:48:10 | ze | and after flying around and stuff for a bit we went into this church |
| 10:48:22 | ze | and i started telling them all about how their religion was bullshit and etc |
| 10:48:39 | ze | and i was like here watch i'll prove it, i'll create life and i manifested a tree |
| 10:48:43 | ze | heh |
| 10:49:14 | webmind | ze, godlike powers can be extremly boring btw. |
| 10:49:14 | ze | which is kinda weird cause i was actually christian at the time i had the dream, and for a few years after... it wasn't untill several years later that i even remembered having it |
| 10:49:23 | webmind | ze, heh |
| 10:49:36 | ze | well they weren't so godlike afterall |
| 10:49:43 | webmind | ze, god was showing you that you shouldn't believe in him :) |
| 10:49:47 | ze | at the end of the dream i tried to do something and fucked up and tore some kinda hole in reality |
| 10:49:59 | ze | and like lost my powers before getting sucked into it |
| 10:50:00 | ze | heh |
| 10:50:12 | webmind | pokerjoker, why? |
| 10:50:14 | dwihno | \o/ |
| 10:50:21 | tracktheripper | hi Dwihno |
| 10:50:23 | ze | pokerjoker: i'll be 23 dec 9 |
| 10:50:31 | dwihno | Hi track! |
| 10:50:36 | pokerjoker | im 26 |
| 10:50:36 | tracktheripper | hello |
| 10:50:37 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 10:51:00 | webmind | ze, you're 2 months older :) |
| 10:51:03 | webmind | er |
| 10:51:03 | webmind | 3 |
| 10:51:08 | webmind | minus a little |
| 10:51:09 | ze | oh yeah? hehe |
| 10:51:52 | webmind | pokerjoker, but what kinda archos do ya have? :) |
| 10:52:58 | pokerjoker | a christian one |
| 10:53:14 | ze | heh |
| 10:53:18 | webmind | aw, you painted a cross on it ? |
| 10:53:20 | webmind | ;) |
| 10:53:25 | pokerjoker | its a 20gig recorder. paid 83 bucks for it. thats like, 70 euros or something |
| 10:53:35 | webmind | damn.. that's uhm cheap |
| 10:53:37 | ze | nice |
| 10:53:38 | ze | hehe |
| 10:53:55 | pokerjoker | got it on ebay. it was "broken' until i ran scandisk. works like new. no HD errors |
| 10:53:58 | | Quit tracktheripper ("IceChat IRC client - Download it at http://www.icechat.net/") |
| 10:54:01 | ze | hehe |
| 10:54:02 | webmind | lol |
| 10:54:18 | pokerjoker | im loading some pet shop boys on it |
| 10:54:26 | ze | goddamnit i gotta get up at 9am tomorrow and i'm not even really tired |
| 10:54:35 | pokerjoker | ze wher u from |
| 10:54:39 | ze | california |
| 10:54:45 | pokerjoker | never heard of it |
| 10:54:47 | ze | hehe |
| 10:54:54 | pokerjoker | i just want to say i really like you rockbox guys |
| 10:55:07 | webmind | awww, thank you :) |
| 10:55:13 | pokerjoker | no hard feelings about our heated exchange ok |
| 10:55:20 | ze | hehe |
| 10:55:24 | pokerjoker | webmind, i might come live with you for a few weeks ok |
| 10:55:26 | webmind | i do not see why.. |
| 10:55:31 | webmind | pokerjoker, why? |
| 10:55:42 | pokerjoker | my ex girlfriend wants me to go see her in germany |
| 10:55:46 | pokerjoker | i dont know if its a good idea |
| 10:55:59 | webmind | heh.. germany isn't really nearby though |
| 10:56:03 | pokerjoker | so, if i cant stay with her, or this other german girl i know, then im coming to stay with you! |
| 10:56:22 | ze | webmind: where are you? |
| 10:56:25 | webmind | hmk don't sure if ya like it or that i've got a place to crash |
| 10:56:25 | pokerjoker | its closer than moscow. and the russians i know dont like me anymore |
| 10:56:28 | webmind | ze, netherlands |
| 10:56:36 | webmind | ze, but i don't really live anywhere here |
| 10:56:39 | ze | heh |
| 10:56:40 | webmind | move around a lot |
| 10:56:53 | webmind | change is good :) |
| 10:56:57 | ze | yeah |
| 10:57:19 | ze | i like to travel, i wish i could be out roaming around most of the time |
| 10:57:34 | ze | in fact, i'm out to explore the universe |
| 10:57:37 | * | webmind thinks of moving out of the country for a year |
| 10:57:45 | webmind | actually planning on visiting the us next year |
| 10:57:51 | ze | i'll let you guys know when i get my intergallactic spacecrafts together |
| 10:58:06 | webmind | ze, plz do.. love to hitchike along :) |
| 10:59:51 | pokerjoker | what is the best way to organize mp3s on your archos? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:12 | ze | depends on your selection |
| 11:00:24 | ze | what worked best for me was like Artist/Album/#-Track.mp3 |
| 11:00:34 | pokerjoker | when i had a 20 gig player, i had ten directories, like A Thru C was one, then D thru F was another... |
| 11:00:46 | ze | you could do that too |
| 11:01:03 | pokerjoker | well, that (what i did) is probably the best way to go for a "player" |
| 11:01:18 | pokerjoker | but since i get so many lines on my recorder, your method might be best |
| 11:01:32 | * | webmind uses artist-album/#-track.mp3 mainly although on my hd i store them with artist/album/#-track.mp3 |
| 11:01:38 | ze | *shrug* it can still be a lot to go through |
| 11:01:44 | ze | depending, again, on your selection |
| 11:01:59 | ze | i've got a zen these days actually |
| 11:02:05 | pokerjoker | zen? |
| 11:02:07 | ze | it's a lot nicer to browse cause it's got a scrollwheel |
| 11:02:21 | ze | you can skip through a lot quick or go slow etc |
| 11:02:25 | webmind | if you have a lot of loose mp3's artist/album is undesirable |
| 11:02:31 | webmind | ze, have you seen the new rio ? |
| 11:02:39 | ze | webmind: or lots of VA stuff |
| 11:02:44 | ze | webmind: the karma? looks fucking sweet |
| 11:03:51 | webmind | uhuh |
| 11:04:31 | ze | still i won't be satisfied till it's all something completely different from the current paradigm |
| 11:05:09 | webmind | what paradigm ? |
| 11:05:29 | ze | i want virtually unlimited storage with total overkill quality and without a box :p |
| 11:05:51 | ze | and by overkill quality i mean like the level of the most sophisticated audio equipment on earth today |
| 11:05:56 | pokerjoker | ok i got a new method for organizing |
| 11:06:09 | webmind | ze, 300GB close enough ? |
| 11:06:17 | ze | webmind: not even |
| 11:06:28 | webmind | terabyte ? |
| 11:06:34 | ze | it's hard to estimate |
| 11:06:40 | ze | think like ridiculous |
| 11:06:58 | ze | think beyond current digital limits |
| 11:07:11 | ze | think like a full perfect reproduction of audio |
| 11:07:25 | ze | including velocity and directional information of each component and etc |
| 11:07:25 | ze | heh |
| 11:07:50 | ze | like an exact copy made of the 4D accoustic environment |
| 11:07:58 | webmind | well.. 5min of raw audio is 50meg right.. add some lossless compression 50% |
| 11:08:08 | webmind | album is about 60min ? |
| 11:08:20 | ze | no no no |
| 11:08:30 | ze | i'm talking far beyond whats possible with our current technology :p |
| 11:08:34 | webmind | aah |
| 11:08:34 | webmind | ok |
| 11:08:47 | webmind | you perfectly recorded resonation |
| 11:08:55 | ze | like think in terms of CD quality being worthless low-res crap |
| 11:09:18 | webmind | so.. uhm.. why ? |
| 11:09:27 | webmind | at a certain point you wont hear the difference anymore |
| 11:09:37 | ze | like think in terms if you were to take this sortof stream of audio and wish to isolate some far beyond audible range |
| 11:09:54 | ze | you could extract that information from it perfectly as it existed when it was recorded |
| 11:10:01 | webmind | hmmm k |
| 11:10:06 | ze | and do scientific analysis and get accurate results |
| 11:10:08 | ze | heh |
| 11:10:23 | ze | webmind: because there's more to sound than what you can hear |
| 11:10:24 | webmind | and know the location of it relative to the recording devive? |
| 11:10:31 | ze | and you never know what information could be useful |
| 11:10:57 | ze | webmind: sure |
| 11:11:27 | ze | another thing is that inaudible components can feasible contribute audibly through interference effects |
| 11:11:46 | ze | some of which could be lost with any current sampling methods |
| 11:11:46 | ze | heh |
| 11:12:19 | ze | and other things, you know there's lots of odd stuff in this universe, strange effects that we don't tend to consider |
| 11:12:51 | ze | our basic perception of things is based on strange effects |
| 11:12:55 | ze | resonance, energy propagation, etc |
| 11:13:01 | pokerjoker | you mean like spirits? |
| 11:13:25 | pokerjoker | are you talking about an audio-ectoplasmic generator? |
| 11:13:45 | pokerjoker | or "regenerator" |
| 11:14:02 | ze | the way things look, there's so many different physical effects that contribute to the different way materials and other things produce the visual information we recieve of them |
| 11:14:03 | pokerjoker | or does this border more on time travel |
| 11:14:13 | ze | pokerjoker: what're you talking about? |
| 11:14:35 | ze | you do realize that resonance plays a key role in both sight and sound right? |
| 11:14:55 | pokerjoker | im joking. we understand what you are saying ze |
| 11:14:59 | ze | hehe |
| 11:15:03 | pokerjoker | can i ask a serious, boring question |
| 11:15:16 | ze | is it really boring? go ahead |
| 11:15:29 | pokerjoker | im a bit confused about "deep discharge" and trickle charge |
| 11:15:36 | ze | oh, that is boring |
| 11:15:37 | ze | heh |
| 11:15:59 | ze | yeah i dunno, i had a player and then i had an fmrec and neither of those had those |
| 11:16:02 | pokerjoker | well, it seems to me that you should only be able to turn one of those on at a time |
| 11:16:42 | pokerjoker | do you understand web? im confused about it |
| 11:17:04 | webmind | sorry.. i got a player.. |
| 11:17:08 | webmind | doesnt have that function |
| 11:17:18 | pokerjoker | oh. why dont you ever get a recorder? |
| 11:17:33 | webmind | cos i don't have the money ? |
| 11:17:39 | webmind | well i do |
| 11:17:40 | pokerjoker | ok |
| 11:17:47 | webmind | but don't wanna spend so much on it |
| 11:17:51 | webmind | since i have a player |
| 11:18:04 | pokerjoker | keep your hard drive, sell your player |
| 11:18:11 | ze | yeah i was honestly planning on keeping my player untill about the 2nd or 3rd generation portable video devices came out |
| 11:18:26 | pokerjoker | buy a used Recorder 15, pop out the 15 gig HD and sell it too... |
| 11:18:26 | webmind | pokerjoker, my player is uhm.. somewhat modded :) |
| 11:18:30 | ze | but i ended up getting 2 free upgrades so far from bestbuy under the service plan when the others broke |
| 11:18:33 | ze | heh |
| 11:18:48 | pokerjoker | webmind what do you have on it |
| 11:19:15 | webmind | pokerjoker, well the adapter has nice green lights.. and the player itself no casing |
| 11:19:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:19:22 | ze | heh |
| 11:19:33 | ze | so thanks for going back to mundane stuff, now i can go to bed... night :p |
| 11:19:38 | pokerjoker | adapter? |
| 11:19:55 | pokerjoker | ze goodnight |
| 11:20:07 | pokerjoker | see you soon i hope. happy thanksgiving |
| 11:20:23 | webmind | nite ze |
| 11:20:28 | webmind | thanksgiving ? |
| 11:20:40 | pokerjoker | yes |
| 11:20:56 | webmind | isn't that the fest where you celebrate the opression over the natives ? |
| 11:21:30 | pokerjoker | we celebrate not getting involved in WW2 until the last minute, because of smart ass europeans |
| 11:22:06 | webmind | and then claim it was you who came to the rescue? you and you alone freed us from the nazi's ? |
| 11:22:17 | webmind | :) |
| 11:22:18 | pokerjoker | well it sure as hell wasnt the French |
| 11:22:28 | webmind | nope.. the canadians :) |
| 11:22:32 | pokerjoker | and i dont think the Germans were stopping the Nazis. Nein |
| 11:22:39 | pokerjoker | Fuck the canadians. |
| 11:22:47 | webmind | the russians helped a lot too |
| 11:22:49 | webmind | and the english |
| 11:22:57 | pokerjoker | yeah right. you really know your history. |
| 11:23:02 | webmind | uhm yes |
| 11:23:04 | webmind | but do you ? |
| 11:23:09 | pokerjoker | i liked how the russians helped the Jews out in Prague. remember that one? |
| 11:23:27 | webmind | don't recall |
| 11:23:35 | pokerjoker | all stalin and hitler agreed on was not to get into it too early on, so they could all fuck up europe in their own way. remember that treaty? |
| 11:23:55 | webmind | but you only joined in because of that the germans attacked your trade ships |
| 11:24:13 | pokerjoker | ok my bad. it wasnt prague, maybe it was poland. Stalin came in with propaganda and told the poles to rise up against hitler, |
| 11:24:28 | pokerjoker | and when the jews did so, stalin left them cold. and hitler wiped them out |
| 11:24:31 | webmind | pokerjoker, you seem to have different history books |
| 11:24:35 | pokerjoker | it was an evil little trick |
| 11:25:01 | pokerjoker | webmind i think german tradeships is more WW1 |
| 11:25:07 | webmind | ah yes |
| 11:25:10 | webmind | my bad |
| 11:25:17 | pokerjoker | webmind dont dissapoint me! |
| 11:25:17 | webmind | japan was the thing right for ww2 ? |
| 11:25:24 | pokerjoker | allow me to tell you about thanksgiving now |
| 11:25:52 | pokerjoker | contrary to popular belief, the "natives" werent oppressed quite like you might imagine |
| 11:26:31 | pokerjoker | its a bit of a misnomer. and just because there were some people who did evil things in the name of "america" doesnt mean that the majority of the population was evil |
| 11:27:01 | pokerjoker | most people have indian relations here. most scots and irish and french who settled here were friendly with the natives |
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| 11:27:34 | pokerjoker | however there were hostile tribes, and there were government operations that seized land (not too different from Iraq) |
| 11:27:58 | pokerjoker | most people, on the low levels, tried to get along in the states, throughout history. |
| 11:28:31 | pokerjoker | hell, even in Memphis blacks and whites got along fairly well between 1920 and 1960s |
| 11:28:53 | pokerjoker | its just unfortunate that some people screw things up |
| 11:29:34 | pokerjoker | or misunderstand things. relations with natives was not peaceful all the time, and native to native relations werent always peaceful either. |
| 11:29:55 | pokerjoker | but there have been lots of people who crossed the boundaries of "difference" and learned to get along with others |
| 11:30:20 | pokerjoker | you see, the thing that gets me is, i had a sociology teacher who told us that he would NEVER celebrate thanksgiving |
| 11:30:48 | pokerjoker | his reasoning was very liberal, and although i heard him out and considered it for a while, i had to ultimately reject it, because it was just crazy liberal crap |
| 11:31:05 | pokerjoker | kind of like a Michael Moore documentary |
| 11:31:14 | webmind | uhm |
| 11:31:16 | pokerjoker | ok i rest now |
| 11:31:18 | webmind | uhm |
| 11:31:29 | webmind | that documentary seemed rather good actually |
| 11:31:48 | pokerjoker | no, its very ungood. roger and me? or Bowling for columbine? both are ungood |
| 11:31:56 | webmind | why ? |
| 11:31:58 | pokerjoker | doubleplus ungood |
| 11:32:10 | webmind | he made some rather good points on guns |
| 11:32:26 | pokerjoker | b/c it is very biased and illogical. |
| 11:32:37 | pokerjoker | dammit |
| 11:32:44 | pokerjoker | i cant believe you think its a good movie |
| 11:32:51 | pokerjoker | this hurts my heart so much |
| 11:33:03 | webmind | now that is close minded |
| 11:33:05 | pokerjoker | he fails to explain the truth |
| 11:33:12 | webmind | plz do the |
| 11:33:14 | webmind | n |
| 11:33:23 | pokerjoker | guns are a part of our culture |
| 11:33:33 | pokerjoker | they are not evil. in fact they are good. |
| 11:33:36 | pokerjoker | they are tools |
| 11:33:43 | webmind | uhm.. he doesnt say guns are evil.. |
| 11:33:45 | pokerjoker | Moore grew up in Michigan |
| 11:34:13 | pokerjoker | do you know that in Minnesota and Michigan, people sustain themselves mostly on game? |
| 11:34:33 | webmind | pokerjoker, he doesnt say guns are evil |
| 11:34:51 | pokerjoker | in the 70s and 80s, i belive the stats were that most Minnesota residents got 70% of their meat from game |
| 11:34:55 | webmind | have you actually watched the entire movie ? |
| 11:35:05 | pokerjoker | what does he say then? that dick clark is responsible for homicide |
| 11:35:18 | webmind | he refers to the media |
| 11:35:21 | webmind | as hyping it up |
| 11:35:28 | pokerjoker | i watched it all. it was negative. he blamed corporations for the problem |
| 11:35:31 | webmind | creating fear |
| 11:35:36 | webmind | no |
| 11:35:39 | webmind | he blaimed the media |
| 11:35:43 | webmind | who is indeed the blame |
| 11:35:59 | webmind | there is reason us media is one of the lesser free media's of the world |
| 11:36:02 | pokerjoker | then why did he attack celebs? isnt THAT a poor use of media? |
| 11:36:12 | webmind | celebs ? |
| 11:36:20 | pokerjoker | celebrities ... |
| 11:36:46 | webmind | i don't recall him doing that in the movie |
| 11:36:48 | pokerjoker | his use of the media was moronic, to blame Heston and dick clark for deaths |
| 11:36:55 | oxygen77 | \part |
| 11:36:56 | pokerjoker | it was sad |
| 11:36:59 | | Part oxygen77 |
| 11:37:02 | webmind | mind you.. i didn't say it was a good documentary.. but he had a good point in the end |
| 11:37:13 | pokerjoker | the point about the media bothers me |
| 11:37:25 | pokerjoker | personally, i dont pay attention to the media. |
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| 11:37:35 | webmind | 99% of people does |
| 11:37:39 | webmind | oxygen77, ? |
| 11:37:49 | pokerjoker | CNN and ABC and CBS are all biased and stupid. i would rather watch BBC or independent newlinks |
| 11:37:50 | webmind | +the |
| 11:38:06 | webmind | BBC isnt a US channel |
| 11:38:10 | pokerjoker | webmind, not in the states. Not many people do, especially in my generation |
| 11:38:34 | webmind | pokerjoker, for some reason they do seemed influenced by it |
| 11:38:35 | pokerjoker | Tom Brokaw and DAn Rather, they know the only people who watch them are WW2 and babyboom era people. |
| 11:38:38 | webmind | -d |
| 11:39:07 | pokerjoker | i think that my generation - either because they are desensitized or wiser - pay little attn to the media's |
| 11:39:10 | pokerjoker | "rants" |
| 11:39:34 | pokerjoker | thats an observation. may be just wishful thinking. we are more globally minded. |
| 11:40:02 | webmind | i maybe can't judge much.. but i think it might be jsut your direct surrounding |
| 11:40:10 | pokerjoker | "Fear" is pumped mostly into the older generation, that dealt with the Depression, the world wars, cold war, etc. They worry, and they are abused by the media |
| 11:40:41 | pokerjoker | they also trust the media, becuase they were brought up to trust their country |
| 11:40:57 | pokerjoker | and the media whores them. makes them afraid. takes their money. |
| 11:41:08 | pokerjoker | but my generation isnt so much like that |
| 11:41:24 | pokerjoker | for better or worse, we are skeptics |
| 11:41:24 | webmind | i hope so |
| 11:41:32 | pokerjoker | how old r u |
| 11:41:49 | webmind | read back |
| 11:41:51 | pokerjoker | michael moore is as guilty as the rest of the media |
| 11:42:10 | webmind | michael moore doesnt seem to choose any side in his documentary |
| 11:42:21 | webmind | i'd sugest you watch it again |
| 11:42:21 | pokerjoker | he doesnt tell teh truth |
| 11:42:24 | pokerjoker | tell me web... |
| 11:42:27 | webmind | ya seemed to have missed some things |
| 11:42:33 | pokerjoker | no web |
| 11:42:37 | pokerjoker | dont diss me like that |
| 11:42:49 | pokerjoker | explain to me why a bank would hand out guns? |
| 11:42:56 | pokerjoker | why would a bank do that web? why? do you know why? |
| 11:44:04 | pokerjoker | remember when he got the bank account and they offered him a rifle? |
| 11:44:58 | pokerjoker | he never did explain "Why" they gave him a rifle, of all things |
| 11:45:26 | pokerjoker | to europeans, it must just be because americans are violent, murderous bastards |
| 11:46:38 | webmind | i'm not dissing |
| 11:47:03 | webmind | and i'm mainly refferning to the end of the movie |
| 11:47:28 | webmind | as during it.. he mainly asks a lot of questions |
| 11:47:45 | webmind | maybe rediculing where unapropriate |
| 11:48:06 | webmind | but his end point is rather good |
| 11:48:13 | pokerjoker | he is misleading |
| 11:48:39 | pokerjoker | he fails to prove his point. if there is one thing i know its sociology and such - his documentary is a lie |
| 11:48:51 | pokerjoker | it is poorly made and poorly representative of the truth |
| 11:49:07 | pokerjoker | he is like Rush Limbaugh, equally as bad - only the exact opposite |
| 11:49:14 | webmind | i can't agree with ya.. but won't discuss it now |
| 11:51:57 | pokerjoker | europeans hate the states |
| 11:52:16 | pokerjoker | if you were chinese, i would say "i cant blame you" ...but you are western like me |
| 11:52:46 | webmind | i am not |
| 11:53:24 | webmind | and i don't hate north america.. beautyfull country |
| 11:53:32 | webmind | quite some nice people aswell |
| 11:53:38 | webmind | i do hate certain ideas and actions |
| 11:54:06 | webmind | and maybe people who are awere o that they are manipulating and destroying other people |
| 11:54:12 | webmind | but mainly i don't hate people |
| 11:54:17 | webmind | hate is bad |
| 11:54:32 | pokerjoker | moore dissapointed me |
| 11:54:39 | pokerjoker | webmind i have to tell you |
| 11:54:40 | | Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 11:54:43 | pokerjoker | im not a social person |
| 11:54:48 | webmind | oi LinusN |
| 11:54:54 | pokerjoker | im not athletic and im not technically minded |
| 11:55:07 | pokerjoker | i spent my entire life asking these questions |
| 11:55:19 | webmind | what questions ? |
| 11:55:21 | pokerjoker | why ... why about basically everything thats ever happened |
| 11:55:30 | webmind | hmk |
| 11:55:39 | LinusN | webmind: yo |
| 11:55:43 | pokerjoker | i think i have some of the answers |
| 11:55:49 | webmind | LinusN, sup.. 2.1 comming up? |
| 11:56:07 | webmind | pokerjoker, work with them then? and asume they can be wrong |
| 11:56:19 | pokerjoker | i will shuttup about it though. what i really want to know is how to get my battery charged |
| 11:56:25 | webmind | ah ok |
| 11:56:32 | pokerjoker | webmind, my ideas arent wrong. trust me |
| 11:57:03 | LinusN | webmind: we have to sort out the documentation details, like the manual, release notes and stuff |
| 11:57:11 | webmind | pokerjoker, i won't i don't even fully trust myself with it |
| 11:57:23 | dwihno | \o/ linus \o/ |
| 11:57:29 | webmind | pokerjoker, and thinking -you- are right is quite closeminded.. you can always be wrong |
| 11:57:38 | pokerjoker | well, if you cant believe in anything, then i pity you |
| 11:57:41 | LinusN | dwihno: i salute you, my apprentice |
| 11:57:41 | webmind | LinusN, documentation? yay! :) |
| 11:58:00 | pokerjoker | webmind you have to have belief in something. and when you reason out the correct answer you cant keep doubting |
| 11:58:00 | webmind | pokerjoker, don't i'm very happy how i live.. i believe in everything.. |
| 11:58:25 | pokerjoker | well do me a favor and dont believe in michael moore |
| 11:58:45 | webmind | i don't believe in him anymore then any other person |
| 11:58:45 | pokerjoker | he should be discredited |
| 11:59:05 | webmind | i just take up the information.. and use it.. apropriatly |
| 11:59:29 | webmind | but nothing.. litterly -nothing- is absolute in my world |
| 11:59:42 | pokerjoker | how do you know you use it appropriately? you should doubt yourself as much as you tell me to accept my possible wrongness |
| 11:59:42 | webmind | litteraly |
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| 12:00:14 | dwihno | LinusN: I'm young padawan :D MPEG header learning, I must! |
| 12:00:16 | webmind | pokerjoker, because i know it's value.. |
| 12:00:20 | pokerjoker | somethings have to be accepted |
| 12:00:23 | webmind | pokerjoker, and ofcourse i doubt it.. |
| 12:00:29 | pokerjoker | there are laws to this world |
| 12:00:39 | webmind | pokerjoker, only relative to certaint things |
| 12:00:52 | pokerjoker | things such as reality |
| 12:01:08 | webmind | pokerjoker, let's not discuss reality.. |
| 12:01:14 | pokerjoker | why not? |
| 12:01:20 | webmind | pokerjoker, you really don't want that with me. |
| 12:01:32 | pokerjoker | suspending reality is the first step in many theories |
| 12:01:45 | webmind | reality is a joke in many ways.. |
| 12:01:55 | webmind | but the discussion in irrelevant |
| 12:01:56 | pokerjoker | hows that |
| 12:02:10 | webmind | i said.. let's not discuss it |
| 12:02:12 | webmind | and i won't |
| 12:02:28 | pokerjoker | alright. no reality. i guess its not relevant. though im not sure if i agree |
| 12:02:31 | webmind | it can be fun at times.. but i see no use |
| 12:02:41 | webmind | pokerjoker, it doesnt matter if you agree or not |
| 12:02:59 | pokerjoker | as i said earlier, these "world building" theories people use, basically guide their whole cosmogony |
| 12:03:18 | pokerjoker | are you a nihilist |
| 12:03:34 | webmind | don't think so |
| 12:03:44 | webmind | but i see -everything- relative |
| 12:04:01 | pokerjoker | relative to what |
| 12:04:05 | webmind | everything |
| 12:04:25 | webmind | example: |
| 12:04:39 | pokerjoker | well thats a good start. but, if someone is talking about something outside your experience, how can you make a sound judgement |
| 12:04:53 | webmind | the information you give me, is relative to how trustworthy i think you are and how much the data could make sense |
| 12:05:23 | webmind | on reliability that is |
| 12:05:32 | webmind | i also combine it with my own experiences |
| 12:05:34 | * | LinusN is surprised how little technical rockbox talk there is on this channel nowadays |
| 12:05:42 | pokerjoker | if thats the case then, i only wish to futher add to your "database" of relativity |
| 12:05:46 | webmind | information other people have given me |
| 12:05:52 | webmind | and how trustwordthy that it |
| 12:06:01 | webmind | LinusN, uhm.. sorry.. couldn't resist :) |
| 12:06:16 | pokerjoker | Linus can you help me with battery issues for Recorder? |
| 12:06:17 | webmind | pokerjoker, you do.. and so does LinusN here.. |
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| 12:06:53 | LinusN | pokerjoker: what's the prob? |
| 12:07:14 | pokerjoker | im not sure i understand why "deep discharge" and "Trickle" can work... |
| 12:07:22 | pokerjoker | i mean, can you set them both to "yes" ? |
| 12:09:17 | pokerjoker | and if you can set deep disharge and trickle to yes, then dont they cancel eachother out? |
| 12:11:37 | LinusN | hehe, i agree |
| 12:11:42 | LinusN | let me check that out |
| 12:12:22 | pokerjoker | maybe checking YES on deep discharge cancels out the YES in Trickle |
| 12:13:30 | LinusN | from what i can see, it works like this: |
| 12:13:48 | LinusN | the deep discharge option only controls when to start charging |
| 12:14:31 | pokerjoker | ok. and trickle? |
| 12:14:36 | LinusN | at 10% battery capacity or at 90% |
| 12:14:42 | pokerjoker | trickle controls when to Stop charging? |
| 12:14:58 | LinusN | and trickle controls if it is to maintain the voltage after charging |
| 12:15:30 | LinusN | if tricke is off, it will stop charging and not restart charging until the voltage drops below the threshold |
| 12:16:05 | LinusN | if trickle is on, it will maintain the charge until you disconnect the charger |
| 12:16:29 | LinusN | so, having both set to yes makes little sense |
| 12:16:59 | pokerjoker | trickle... hmm hold on |
| 12:19:55 | pokerjoker | trickle charge is needed to keep the batteries full after charging, because the JB cannot be turned off while its connected? |
| 12:20:03 | pokerjoker | not sure what that means |
| 12:20:17 | pokerjoker | oh |
| 12:20:28 | pokerjoker | so it keeps the batteries at full charge |
| 12:20:39 | pokerjoker | wouldnt that damage them though, in the long run? |
| 12:22:22 | LinusN | yes, that's why you have the deep discharge option |
| 12:22:48 | LinusN | so they should really be combined into one "charging strategy" option, imho |
| 12:23:05 | LinusN | Normal, Deep discharge, Trickle |
| 12:23:10 | LinusN | or something |
| 12:23:36 | LinusN | the deep discharge option is for those who always keep the jukebox connected to the charger, to not waer out the batteries |
| 12:23:42 | LinusN | wear |
| 12:24:11 | pokerjoker | ok linus. so lets say that you have batteries at 9% and you want to hook the JB up to the wall outlet AND use it for a couple hours. what do you choose? |
| 12:24:21 | pokerjoker | oh ok |
| 12:25:05 | pokerjoker | and trickle is used when the batteries are full. for some reason this simple thing confuses me |
| 12:25:56 | LinusN | still confusing? |
| 12:27:21 | pokerjoker | well, when my batteries are dead, like 6%, then i take it and hook it up, and set DEEP DISCHARGE to ON and Trickle to OFF ... right |
| 12:29:56 | LinusN | the trickle charge option only controls what happens when the batteries are charged |
| 12:30:45 | LinusN | the deep discharge option controls what to (re)start charging, below 10% or below 90% |
| 12:30:54 | LinusN | s/what/when/ |
| 12:31:24 | LinusN | in your example, it won't matter how you set either option |
| 12:31:51 | LinusN | it will start charging regardless of the discharge setting, since the battery level is below 10% |
| 12:31:52 | pokerjoker | ok. and the default is NO to deep discharge and YES to trickle? |
| 12:32:01 | LinusN | i think so, yes |
| 12:32:32 | pokerjoker | i think i will keep deep discharge YES to deep discharge and NO to trickle. |
| 12:33:20 | pokerjoker | oh another big Q. what is that Car Adapter optoin!! |
| 12:34:04 | pokerjoker | option. on the daily build |
| 12:35:42 | LinusN | it is a feature that attempts to behave when you connect the jukebox to a car charger adapter |
| 12:37:21 | pokerjoker | i have a car charger adapter |
| 12:37:41 | LinusN | it pauses the music when the external power disappears, and resumes when it comes back |
| 12:38:38 | pokerjoker | bbl |
| 12:38:49 | pokerjoker | im asbout to pass out. its 6.40. am ... been up too late. |
| 12:38:58 | pokerjoker | i will heed your advice., thank you |
| 12:40:39 | pokerjoker | goodnight for now |
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| 14:36:52 | upiom | What voltage is a powersupply for an archos recorder 6GB suppused to produce? |
| 14:42:06 | webmind | i'll take a look |
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| 14:42:27 | webmind | upiom, 9volts |
| 14:43:37 | upiom | webmind: thanks. |
| 14:44:15 | webmind | np |
| 14:44:27 | webmind | why btw? |
| 14:46:29 | upiom | My jukebox has been broken for some month and I havn't really looked in to it (happend about the same time as the guaranty expired). I got a "read access error". Now I've fiddled abit with it and it's still somewhat broken but atleas occasionaly boots up. |
| 14:46:59 | webmind | hmk |
| 14:48:17 | upiom | I took out the disk and plugged it into my pc and ran scandisk and all kindes of stuffed. The disk seemd to work. I put the disk back in the archos and it seemed to work. I screwd the archos together, confident that I had fixed the problem and bang, it didn't work |
| 14:49:03 | upiom | turned out that if I unscrew two of the torx-screws on the left side of the machine it works (most times). It the screws are in it doesn't. |
| 14:49:40 | webmind | odd |
| 14:50:05 | upiom | very |
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| 15:06:34 | oxygen77 | I heard of somebody having the same problem with its JBMM |
| 15:10:07 | upiom | Well it's better then not running at all. But I'd actually rather see that the disk was broken or something that could be fixed more permenantly. The player doesn't have a very solid feeling anymore. Don't even know if I dare to put it in a poket |
| 15:11:23 | upiom | well gotta go. Maybe i should write a page about the problems i got incase anyone is interested. |
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| 15:45:14 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 15:53:30 | quelsaruk | anyone alive? |
| 15:57:04 | webmind | ? |
| 15:57:51 | quelsaruk | webmind, have you seen zagor today? |
| 15:58:21 | webmind | nope |
| 15:58:47 | quelsaruk | ouch |
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| 18:25:25 | Bluechip | anybody here able to help me resolve an "Error 255" during "make" in the "plugins" directory? |
| 18:27:05 | ze | thats not the error, look a bit higher |
| 18:27:51 | Bluechip | no OBVIOUS error mesages :( |
| 18:31:25 | Bluechip | any idea what I might be looking for? |
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| 18:33:37 | ze | well some command's failing and it should give an error message and then a couple error's like that coming out of make afterward |
| 18:35:10 | ze | look between the last thing that looks like a commandline and that Error 255, it should be in there |
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| 18:38:25 | Bluechip | fone brb |
| 18:51:31 | Bluechip | sorry about that - friends hey! who would have them ;) |
| 18:52:24 | Bluechip | simply says "make[2]: entering dir: plugins" then "make[2]: [all] error 255" :( |
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| 19:59:38 | tracktheripper | the battery meter takes ages to appear on the latest bleeding edge |
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| 20:15:19 | tracktheripper | hi dogger |
| 20:15:22 | Dogger | hey |
| 20:15:27 | tracktheripper | hello |
| 20:15:34 | Dogger | hey |
| 20:15:46 | tracktheripper | lol we had the Mafia in here yesterday :) |
| 20:16:34 | Dogger | lol nice, |
| 20:16:42 | Dogger | mafia being? |
| 20:17:05 | tracktheripper | midknight2k3, thedude02, and that other chap whose name I forgot |
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| 21:42:44 | quelsaruk | seen ozric01 this night? |
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| 21:58:35 | quelsaruk | cu soon! |
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| 22:27:58 | Bagder | or v2 owner rather |
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| 22:28:55 | Bagder | I found the usb problem |
| 22:29:14 | nz | what was it? |
| 22:29:25 | Bagder | a stupid platform check |
| 22:29:29 | nz | k |
| 22:29:30 | Bagder | that wasn't fixed for the v2 |
| 22:29:36 | nz | k |
| 22:29:37 | Bagder | so it used the plain recorder code |
| 22:29:41 | DBUG | Sent KICK nz to server |
| 22:29:41 | nz | k |
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| 22:32:39 | nz | oui |
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| 23:31:11 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 23:31:15 | webmind | oi |
| 23:31:28 | tracktheripper | hi webmind |
| 23:31:40 | tracktheripper | on the latest daily build the battery meter takes ages to apperar |
| 23:31:44 | tracktheripper | appear |
| 23:34:30 | tracktheripper | hello? |
| 23:38:23 | webmind | ah |
| 23:38:25 | webmind | no clue |
| 23:38:30 | webmind | sorry not completely here |
| 23:38:40 | tracktheripper | don;t think anyone is lol |
| 23:38:55 | tracktheripper | i wouldn't touch an Ipod with a cheap 1980s walkman |
| 23:38:58 | tracktheripper | gonna make tea |
| 23:38:59 | tracktheripper | brb |
| 23:40:05 | webmind | lol |
| 23:45:01 | tracktheripper | hi |
| 23:47:06 | tracktheripper | Which is faster, a 2.4Ghz Celeron or a 2.4Ghz Pentium? |
| 23:47:30 | webmind | pentium |
| 23:47:32 | webmind | more cache |
| 23:48:08 | tracktheripper | I would think that they would run theoretically at the same speed being 2.5Ghz |
| 23:48:30 | webmind | yes |
| 23:48:40 | webmind | clockspeed the same |
| 23:48:56 | webmind | but speed is also dependant on memmory speed |
| 23:49:09 | tracktheripper | ok so would a 2.4Ghz Celeron be faster than a 1.5Ghz Pentium? |
| 23:49:41 | webmind | in execution ? |
| 23:49:43 | webmind | dunno |
| 23:49:53 | webmind | clockspeed ofcoz slower |
| 23:49:58 | tracktheripper | oh ok |
| 23:50:02 | webmind | but intels are hard to benchmark |
| 23:50:07 | webmind | cisc junk |
| 23:50:08 | tracktheripper | ol |
| 23:50:09 | tracktheripper | lol |
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