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00:02:35 | tracktheripper | hi |
00:03:30 | quelsaruk | hi tracktheripper |
00:03:40 | adi|home | anyone know the status of the FM development? |
00:03:49 | adi|home | is the FM recorder listed as 'developed'? |
00:03:55 | tracktheripper | hi quels |
00:04:00 | Zagor | yes, it's fully supported |
00:04:05 | tracktheripper | im trying a mates Geforce 4 graphics card |
00:04:12 | Hadaka | is there a patch that allows me to put the files from two directories into a single playlist and play it on shuffle - or alternatively two playlists, whichever? or is it available normally already? |
00:04:13 | adi|home | k |
00:04:25 | tracktheripper | hi zagor and adiamas |
00:04:30 | adi|home | howdy |
00:04:40 | tracktheripper | hello |
00:04:52 | Zagor | Hadaka: you can do that with the queue/insert feature |
00:04:56 | adi|home | the FM unit is the 'FM Recorder' right? |
00:05:01 | Zagor | adi|home: yes |
00:05:32 | Hadaka | Zagor: trying if I can make it happen now ;) |
00:05:47 | adi|home | k |
00:06:54 | Hadaka | coolio, seems to work |
00:07:16 | Hadaka | and the playlist is saved as normal through poweroff? |
00:07:37 | Zagor | yup |
00:07:45 | Hadaka | way cool |
00:08:32 | Hadaka | hmm, if I have the playlist on shuffle play, and I add a directory to it, what happens? is the playing song affected? what comes after it, what comes before it? :) |
00:08:47 | Zagor | umm, ask hardeep :) |
00:09:24 | hardeep | Hadaka: depends on how you add it. If you use the "Insert" command then the directory will be added, in order, immediately after the current song |
00:09:41 | hardeep | If you want to shuffle it with everything else, unshuffle and reshuffle |
00:10:12 | Hadaka | ah |
00:10:25 | Hadaka | so what are my other options? :) |
00:11:37 | hardeep | See: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-11/0470.shtml |
00:11:50 | Hadaka | hmmh |
00:11:56 | tracktheripper | how about an option to automatically reshuffle the playlist when it repeats hardeep? |
00:12:22 | hardeep | tracktheripper: yeah, that's not a bad idea |
00:12:28 | tracktheripper | :) |
00:12:31 | Hadaka | automatic total shuffle is bad because it can play the same song twice |
00:12:32 | tracktheripper | Ive suggested that many times |
00:13:03 | hardeep | Hadaka: yeah, i was thinking more of an insert shuffled |
00:13:18 | tracktheripper | thats the whole point hadaka |
00:13:33 | tracktheripper | so when the playlist finishes it is reshuffled so it plays all the tracks in a different order and so on |
00:13:37 | Hadaka | having an adjustable "morph speed" like winamp has would be nicer - but getting the algorithm in such a form that it is easily resumeable without storing much stuff |
00:14:03 | Hadaka | tracktheripper: I want the tracks in different order - but not the same song twice atleast - so only relatively different order would be optimal |
00:14:19 | Hadaka | I could work on the algorithm at some point though |
00:14:20 | tracktheripper | isn't morph speed like timestretch? |
00:14:45 | Hadaka | erm, no no |
00:14:59 | Hadaka | you can set how much shuffle changes it's shuffling on every loop |
00:15:02 | Hadaka | it goes from slow to fast |
00:15:10 | Hadaka | if it's slow, only one or two songs are in different order |
00:15:18 | Hadaka | if it's fast, the whole playlist is different pretty much |
00:16:32 | Hadaka | if I insert stuff into the playlist, is the resultant playlist saved under the .rockbox dir like the queue patch did? |
00:16:38 | earHertz | couldn't the algorithm be as simple as slow means a few random swaps, and fast means many random swaps, each time the playlist is exhausted? |
00:16:57 | Hadaka | earHertz: but you need to store that so that resume acts identical |
00:17:08 | Hadaka | also, random swapping pairs is not equal to shuffle |
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00:17:24 | earHertz | wouldn't you just store the resulting shuffle order? |
00:17:28 | adi|home | FAQ updated.. if someone can do a get and give me opinoins id appreciate it.. |
00:17:40 | Hadaka | I think rockbox only stores the seed for the shuffle, not the shuffled order |
00:17:43 | Hadaka | am I correct? |
00:17:55 | earHertz | dunno |
00:18:10 | Zagor | correct |
00:18:13 | Hadaka | there |
00:18:26 | Hadaka | so the 'seed' in this case would have to take account the morphing 'amount' |
00:18:40 | Hadaka | which probably isn't that hard to come up with |
00:18:50 | Hadaka | just need to come up with a decent algorithm |
00:18:55 | earHertz | yes, but presumably you'd be saving the morph "speed" as a preference anyway, yes? |
00:19:24 | Hadaka | yeah, but you need to be able to convert how much the playlist has been morphed this far in the 'seed' |
00:19:28 | Hadaka | which probably is only 32 bits or something |
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00:19:46 | tracktheripper | hi |
00:19:54 | Hadaka | you want it so that when you turn off the unit and back on again, the previous and next song are the same as they were before turning it off |
00:19:56 | tracktheripper | Why the ? in the battery symbol when the device is turned on |
00:20:16 | Zagor | because the battery level is unknown |
00:20:27 | Hadaka | I don't think it's a problem if the order is messed up if the morph speed is changed - but atleast it should work when the morph speed stays the same |
00:20:28 | tracktheripper | so what happens during ? is displayed? |
00:20:50 | Zagor | tracktheripper: we read the battery level, then we display it |
00:21:05 | tracktheripper | oh ok |
00:21:12 | earHertz | I supposed you could just deterministicly move forward by so many steps in "permutation space" |
00:21:19 | tracktheripper | The older Rockbox didn't take this long to read the battery level |
00:21:22 | earHertz | and record the number of steps |
00:21:34 | Zagor | tracktheripper: the older also read wrong |
00:21:37 | tracktheripper | oh ok |
00:21:41 | tracktheripper | zaggor |
00:21:43 | tracktheripper | thanks |
00:21:50 | Zagor | we will speed it up a bit later though |
00:21:55 | Hadaka | earHertz: pretty much yeah - and start at a random spot in the permutation space so you just need to store the 32-bit value |
00:21:59 | Hadaka | if it's symmetrical |
00:22:11 | Hadaka | and the morph speed would only mean how many steps we move forward on every reshuffle |
00:22:17 | tracktheripper | Zagor a splash showing "Battery Full" is useful when you leave Rockbox on the charger |
00:22:24 | earHertz | and speed would just be the number of steps to walk in permutation space |
00:22:36 | Hadaka | and obviously the results can be completely different if stuff is added or removed from the playlist |
00:22:37 | * | earHertz loses |
00:22:50 | Hadaka | but! |
00:23:07 | earHertz | Funny, I've never seen the point of using playlist morph in winamp |
00:23:17 | Hadaka | the algorithm must be so that we can calculate any permutation space number without going through all the permutations before it |
00:23:31 | Hadaka | eg. we can't do 100000 permutations on resume, we need to do one operation :) |
00:24:04 | earHertz | well, we just record the "current" permutation |
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00:24:41 | Hadaka | I often play a single cd on shuffle for extended periods of time - and it would be nice if it weren't in the same order every time - but I sure as hell don't want the same song playing several times in a row |
00:25:29 | earHertz | I'm not saying it's not useful. It's just not something /I'd/ use |
00:26:08 | earHertz | Hey! chatzilla italicizes stuff inside /forward slashes/ |
00:26:21 | earHertz | but leaves the /forward slashes/ |
00:26:40 | Zagor | Hadaka: simple solution: leave the first track out of the reshuffle |
00:27:50 | Zagor | earHertz: that's probably to avoid mistakes since it's not something people are accustomed to. so unintended s/fubars/mistakes/ are likely to happen. |
00:28:09 | Hadaka | Zagor: well true - but not adjustable to different morph speeds since some people (judging from the winamp setting) seem to want slow morph speeds where only a few songs change |
00:28:27 | earHertz | hmm. It didn't italicize s/fubars/mistakes/ |
00:28:33 | Zagor | hehe |
00:28:55 | earHertz | somebody remembered usenet. |
00:29:28 | Hadaka | Zagor: but now that I think of it - not shuffling the first song would be quite enough for me |
00:30:04 | earHertz | I'm sorry. what problem is solved by not shuffling the first track? |
00:30:38 | Hadaka | err, hmm, wouldn't work |
00:30:59 | Hadaka | because then that one song will always be played at the same spot :) |
00:31:19 | Hadaka | so you'd have to shuffle a bit more or less - and then resuming would be difficult again |
00:31:30 | Hadaka | resuming with the first song shuffle stuff would be difficult as well |
00:31:36 | Zagor | hehe. back to the drawing board :) |
00:31:37 | earHertz | Before you did anything, you'd do a normal shuffle. |
00:31:49 | Zagor | i'm off to bed myself. see you, guys. |
00:31:55 | earHertz | when you ran out of tracks, you'd apply your first "morph" |
00:31:58 | earHertz | night |
00:32:01 | quelsaruk | ha det sa bra Zagor |
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00:32:21 | earHertz | Zagor wearsa bra? |
00:32:29 | quelsaruk | hehe |
00:32:33 | quelsaruk | ask him ;) |
00:32:42 | quelsaruk | not recomended, btw :P |
00:32:52 | earHertz | Hye, man, your undies are your own businesss |
00:33:10 | quelsaruk | it tried to be swedish |
00:33:44 | earHertz | yeah |
00:33:58 | quelsaruk | time to go! |
00:33:59 | quelsaruk | cu!! |
00:34:14 | earHertz | ha det sa bra quelsaruk |
00:34:22 | quelsaruk | adios earHertz :) |
00:34:38 | quelsaruk | tack mycket |
00:34:44 | quelsaruk | or something like that |
00:34:47 | quelsaruk | that is.. thanks :) |
00:34:52 | earHertz | np |
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01:14:48 | midknight2k3 | hi |
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01:20:26 | tracktheripper | Hi |
01:20:40 | tracktheripper | hi midknight2k3 |
01:20:45 | midknight2k3 | hey |
01:21:00 | tracktheripper | Im trying out a mates' GeForce 4 graphics card |
01:22:54 | tracktheripper | :) |
01:23:02 | tracktheripper | seems pretty good |
01:23:32 | midknight2k3 | nice |
01:23:44 | tracktheripper | yea my existing graphics card is a GeForce 2 |
01:23:53 | tracktheripper | i have to give the Geforce 4 back soon :( |
01:31:29 | midknight2k3 | boo |
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01:35:31 | tracktheripper | lol |
01:36:22 | tracktheripper | How good is onboard sound compared to a sound card like the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz? |
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01:37:09 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
01:37:12 | midknight2k3 | crap |
01:37:16 | tracktheripper | really? |
01:38:24 | tracktheripper | my sis's pc has onboard sound and onboard graphics |
01:41:37 | midknight2k3 | borr-ring |
01:42:14 | tracktheripper | lol |
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01:43:55 | midknight2k3 | man this is fun |
01:44:03 | midknight2k3 | but since you hate the karma id not show you it |
01:44:25 | tracktheripper | ok |
01:45:24 | tracktheripper | im reading a masterpiece of intelligence |
01:45:36 | midknight2k3 | which is what? |
01:45:54 | tracktheripper | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=622395 |
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01:52:42 | tracktheripper | hi |
01:52:43 | midknight2k3 | hi ear |
01:52:47 | midknight2k3 | hey track |
01:53:56 | tracktheripper | i dunno why people make fun of my suggestion |
01:54:07 | midknight2k3 | it's dumb, is why |
01:54:24 | midknight2k3 | hmm theres a pixel here, one there and another there.. i think that means it's "blabla" |
01:54:28 | tracktheripper | u don't even know what im referring to |
01:54:33 | midknight2k3 | uh |
01:54:36 | midknight2k3 | charcell album covers? |
01:54:50 | tracktheripper | ok how about using 4 of the charcells in a square arangement |
01:55:27 | midknight2k3 | with spaces in between? go ahead and code it |
01:55:33 | tracktheripper | ok |
01:55:40 | * | tracktheripper is coding |
01:55:45 | midknight2k3 | really, someones face would be a pixel |
01:55:47 | midknight2k3 | dont be so dumb |
01:56:41 | tracktheripper | kik |
01:56:42 | tracktheripper | lol |
01:56:56 | midknight2k3 | kik? |
01:57:53 | tracktheripper | mistake |
01:58:10 | tracktheripper | ok use the entire charcell matrix as a graphical area like on the recorder |
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02:01:22 | tracktheripper | lol |
02:02:31 | tracktheripper | mi |
02:02:33 | tracktheripper | mid |
02:03:11 | tracktheripper | mid? |
02:04:31 | tracktheripper | midknightty> |
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02:14:29 | midknight2k3 | hey |
02:14:33 | tracktheripper | hi mid |
02:14:39 | midknight2k3 | sry was afk |
02:14:41 | tracktheripper | ok |
02:14:42 | tracktheripper | lol |
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02:38:41 | midknight2k3 | zee |
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02:42:50 | midknight2k3 | bye all |
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05:32:39 | ze | "Robin Hood is so electric that I am impregnating the toenail." oh thats just classic |
05:33:53 | midknight2k3 | uh? |
05:33:57 | midknight2k3 | you are problematic |
05:33:57 | midknight2k3 | lol |
05:34:07 | ze | heh |
05:34:35 | ze | damn 5120x5120 is 75MB |
05:35:26 | ze | heh here 2560x2560 isn't so bad :p |
05:36:29 | midknight2k3 | WOW |
05:37:01 | midknight2k3 | 75MB! |
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05:37:29 | ze | uhm |
05:37:29 | midknight2k3 | ho crap |
05:37:31 | midknight2k3 | er |
05:37:35 | | Nick midknight2k3 is now known as InnocentBeing (midknight2@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com) |
05:37:43 | InnocentBeing | who dares flood #rockbox! |
05:38:09 | | Nick ze is now known as midknight2k3 (psyco@adsl-63-205-46-26.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
05:38:13 | midknight2k3 | i do! i just can't stop! |
05:38:14 | midknight2k3 | wheee!!! |
05:38:19 | InnocentBeing | THAT IS MY NAME |
05:38:21 | InnocentBeing | GET OFF IT |
05:38:23 | InnocentBeing | ITS REGISTERED |
05:38:25 | | Nick midknight2k3 is now known as ze (psyco@adsl-63-205-46-26.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
05:38:26 | ze | :p |
05:38:27 | | Nick InnocentBeing is now known as midknight2k3 (midknight2@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com) |
05:38:30 | midknight2k3 | hrumph |
05:38:41 | midknight2k3 | well sorry folks |
05:38:53 | midknight2k3 | er.. must be Xchat malfunction.. he. hehe.. heh... uh.. yeah... |
05:40:05 | ze | now lets see if this chaos chokes gimp |
05:40:12 | ze | /usr/lib/gimp/1.2/plug-ins/script-fu: fatal error: Segmentation fault |
05:40:24 | ze | the gimp hath choked on the stochastic |
05:41:14 | ze | hey but hmm hehe |
05:41:22 | midknight2k3 | lol |
05:41:26 | ze | ahh crap |
05:41:29 | midknight2k3 | script-fu? |
05:41:31 | midknight2k3 | cool |
05:41:31 | ze | ok i gotta save it and restart gimp |
05:41:38 | midknight2k3 | lol |
05:41:40 | midknight2k3 | script fu |
05:41:43 | ze | yeah gimp's got script fu |
05:41:52 | midknight2k3 | more like skrimp fu |
05:41:53 | ze | i need to get more into it |
05:41:56 | midknight2k3 | STFU I GOT HOMEWORK TO DO |
05:41:56 | ze | it's leet |
05:42:09 | ze | you like control the program through a command interface |
05:42:12 | ze | script shit |
05:42:17 | midknight2k3 | stupid. |
05:43:03 | ze | imagine reaching into the innards of photoshop and applying formulas or functions, or running a dynamically-customized series of operations on a selection of layers or images |
05:43:06 | ze | etc |
05:43:14 | midknight2k3 | uh |
05:43:17 | midknight2k3 | "STFU I GOT HOMEWORK TO DO" |
05:43:22 | ze | you can write a script to make it draw a scene |
05:43:44 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
05:43:54 | midknight2k3 | static_bool draw_scene(void) |
05:43:57 | midknight2k3 | { draw } |
05:43:57 | ze | :p |
05:44:06 | midknight2k3 | check that |
05:44:09 | midknight2k3 | { draw please! } |
05:50:38 | ze | like this script-fu i'm using now |
05:50:48 | ze | it comes up with a dialog asking for a file, a font, font size, and text color |
05:50:53 | midknight2k3 | WOW |
05:50:55 | midknight2k3 | SUPER LEET |
05:51:01 | midknight2k3 | TEXT COLOR? OFF DA HOOKZ! |
05:51:01 | ze | and then it renders the text file you specify in that font in that size and color |
05:51:11 | ze | well it does a whole file :p |
05:51:16 | midknight2k3 | duuuuude! |
05:51:22 | midknight2k3 | l33t D |
05:52:36 | ze | j00 gn0w 33t |
05:53:03 | midknight2k3 | 0ff d4 h00kz |
05:53:17 | midknight2k3 | m4h d0wg |
05:53:21 | ze | er wtf? |
05:53:26 | midknight2k3 | ? |
05:53:31 | midknight2k3 | er wtf - LOL |
05:53:33 | ze | h00kz? d0wg? |
05:53:40 | midknight2k3 | hook, dogg |
05:53:42 | midknight2k3 | if you cant read |
05:53:44 | ze | wtf kinda crap is that :p |
05:54:15 | midknight2k3 | 7h15 k1nd4 cr4p y0 |
05:54:25 | ze | no it's not |
05:54:36 | ze | it's like some gansta got on and started typing l33t |
05:54:50 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
05:54:54 | midknight2k3 | d475 m33 |
05:58:13 | ze | ok is it just me or does it seem weird that i'm saving the 3rd file in a series and just due to the various circumstances the files have ended up chaos3_3.xcf chaos3_3_2.xcf and now it's counting down to chaos3_3_2_1.xcf that i'm saving now |
05:58:17 | ze | :p |
05:58:28 | midknight2k3 | shush |
05:58:54 | ze | and it's all just random circumstances :p |
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06:01:01 | midknight2k3 | zasdfasdf;hkaj fklsdjfhasdjkfhalkdfhaksfhasdfjkahfasdhlfashklgf |
06:01:16 | ze | but see that's not all that random |
06:01:22 | ze | it's heavily biased by your keyboard layout |
06:01:33 | ze | to demonstrate i'll do the exact same thing on mine, which is dvorak |
06:01:36 | ze | ntoaehunstedisntunsoeuntdoeihnoetuhntsoediseusuoe-nuha |
06:01:43 | midknight2k3 | dvorak? wow |
06:01:43 | ze | zeuzohekbrch.,ahulreohutoensuhaoerutoeubicraid.,hulraoeu-oe |
06:01:49 | ze | see you can really tell the difference |
06:01:49 | midknight2k3 | you can type that good in dvorak? |
06:01:58 | ze | dvorak gibberish almost looks like words :p |
06:02:04 | midknight2k3 | mzxcvkl/j asdf;lasdj fakl;sdfjasdjkfjkl;sdjfjkl;asdjk;h,s;klfgjasdkl;fnsd;afasmipfasdm fasdfjsdi;fnmkl;asjkdfnhjasdfnasasdfnhasdfhasdjklfhaksdf |
06:02:05 | midknight2k3 | dfasdnfjasd |
06:02:06 | midknight2k3 | SDD |
06:02:07 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK midknight2k3 |
06:02:07 | midknight2k3 | DFAD |
06:02:09 | midknight2k3 | ASDF! |
06:02:15 | ze | and qwerty gibberish just looks like crap |
06:02:16 | ze | heh |
06:04:06 | ze | hey |
06:04:18 | ze | actually i think dvorak's based somehow on an inverse power law |
06:04:24 | midknight2k3 | aqqwerqwerqwefasdfnasdkl;fnasdjl;nasldfkasndflmasdnfasm,dfnasdf m, gfh, |
06:04:26 | midknight2k3 | hjjklhy |
06:04:32 | midknight2k3 | asdf |
06:04:33 | midknight2k3 | fad |
06:04:34 | midknight2k3 | SDD |
06:04:39 | midknight2k3 | you type in dvorak? |
06:04:44 | midknight2k3 | do you swap the keys on the board? |
06:04:45 | midknight2k3 | lol |
06:04:50 | midknight2k3 | put them where they go |
06:05:24 | ze | heh i just read a thing about blogging and other things where they start out a pretty even and then as the whole thing gets more popular a few things get disproportionately more popular while most of it gets really unpopular |
06:05:42 | midknight2k3 | lol |
06:06:27 | ze | apparently it's an common effect in social systems |
06:06:45 | ze | it happens with everything |
06:07:17 | ze | money, power, entertainment, products, etc |
06:07:40 | ze | they all tend to follow a power law |
06:07:45 | ze | words in language too |
06:07:50 | midknight2k3 | asdjkfsadfl;sdjfjkl;asdfjmi;sdfugj |
06:07:57 | ze | and letters in words |
06:08:07 | midknight2k3 | asdfm; |
06:08:18 | ze | the topmost used word may be twice as used as the 2nd most used word |
06:08:25 | ze | and it goes like that |
06:08:32 | ze | sorta |
06:08:32 | ze | heh |
06:09:05 | ze | like 1/n i guess |
06:09:13 | midknight2k3 | asdmk/kl;kljkl;jl;kl |
06:09:15 | midknight2k3 | i dont get it |
06:09:16 | midknight2k3 | shutup |
06:09:18 | midknight2k3 | im busy |
06:09:34 | ze | 1/1=1, 1/2=0.5, etc |
06:09:48 | midknight2k3 | whatever |
06:10:04 | ze | so dvorak probably roughly follows some sortof power law with the frequency of letter usage |
06:10:11 | midknight2k3 | wheres ignore |
06:10:18 | ze | in your head |
06:10:35 | ze | it's easy, you just stop paying attention |
06:10:35 | ze | :p |
06:10:36 | midknight2k3 | how about your face in the ground instead? |
06:12:20 | midknight2k3 | ZXc |
06:12:24 | midknight2k3 | casdfmasdfkl;jkldkldkldjkfal;sdfoperi305u8 |
06:17:19 | midknight2k3 | done |
06:17:20 | midknight2k3 | bye all |
06:17:31 | midknight2k3 | esp. you ze |
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09:57:16 | dwihno | How are you gentlemen? |
09:57:20 | dwihno | All your base are belong to us? |
09:58:40 | webmind | "all our code are belong to you" −− cyberpipe |
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15:14:40 | newbeewan | Just little question |
15:15:52 | webmind | ? |
15:15:54 | newbeewan | I need to change the lcd of my ajbr... do you now wher I can buy a new screen in France or europe ? |
15:16:02 | webmind | ai... |
15:20:10 | dwihno | newbeewan: There are probably no replacement screens available from Archos. You would have to buy the part yourself and replace it. |
15:20:28 | newbeewan | yes I know it :( |
15:20:51 | newbeewan | that's why I'm looking for a third party vendor... |
15:25:40 | dwihno | You know what part you need to replace? |
15:26:09 | newbeewan | I think the whole LCD part |
15:27:42 | dwihno | ah |
15:28:06 | dwihno | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/datasheets.html |
15:28:18 | newbeewan | because the backlight work but nothing else |
15:28:19 | dwihno | there you'll see what part you need to replace... |
15:28:37 | dwihno | I would talk to Linus first of all - he knows this by heart. |
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17:53:23 | uski | newbeewan: are you there ? |
17:53:32 | uski | first, are you sure that it is the lcd that is defective ? |
17:57:50 | newbeewan | hi |
17:58:07 | newbeewan | nothing is appear on it.... |
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17:58:22 | newbeewan | just backlight |
17:58:44 | newbeewan | It work for all but the screen |
17:59:46 | newbeewan | usb ok / playlist ok ( as far I can test without screen.... ) |
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18:03:58 | uski | ok |
18:04:06 | uski | so you're right, the lcd is probably dead |
18:04:37 | uski | i assume your archos is no longer covered by the warranty |
18:04:45 | uski | if it isn't anymore, look on the mailling list archive |
18:04:56 | newbeewan | Yes is 18month old |
18:05:02 | uski | there is a supply of replacment LCDs in UK, they might accept to ship in france |
18:05:16 | uski | it's Intelligent Displays, if i remember |
18:05:33 | uski | but try contacting Archos... they might accept to sell a replacment lcd, who knows ! |
18:05:47 | uski | say it suddenly failed, explain the situation, perhaps they will be kind ;) |
18:05:58 | newbeewan | Yes I see but I try to contact them -> no reply |
18:06:50 | newbeewan | situation : it was charging all the night and then when I take it back, screen was blank |
18:06:54 | uski | ok; i told you this because i contacted them for a hardware problem with an old player, and they replied.. |
18:08:52 | newbeewan | They told me to return my recorder to repare it but no words to help in an other way :( |
18:10:02 | uski | ok |
18:11:10 | newbeewan | I leave, I will try to contact Intelligent display... See you |
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19:54:02 | edx` | Zagor: ordered a new 20 gig recorder and a pair of MDR-EX71s ;) |
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19:55:13 | Zagor | ooh, nice! |
19:55:22 | Zagor | gotta go. back in a bit |
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19:55:28 | edx | now what's that about the recorders? they'll stop selling them? |
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20:26:39 | DJBaz | hi |
20:26:43 | DJBaz | i have just flashed 2.1 to my recorder and i cant navigate, usb to my recorder... there is a ? on the battery indicator... anyone got any ideas? |
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21:03:59 | DJBaz | anone here got problems with 2.1? |
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21:56:45 | scott666 | hey dragon |
21:57:06 | [IDC]Dragon | hi there |
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22:35:09 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Zagor, the linker is giving me trouble |
22:35:38 | Zagor | how? |
22:35:53 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm trying such a simple thing, but am to dumb for it. |
22:36:21 | [IDC]Dragon | I try to add a pointer to the LCD framebuffer to the plugin struct. |
22:36:52 | [IDC]Dragon | it's the last member now, type unsigned char* |
22:37:59 | [IDC]Dragon | Where the struct is assigned, I list (unsigned char*)lcd_framebuffer |
22:38:08 | [IDC]Dragon | linker says: |
22:38:43 | [IDC]Dragon | /home/Jörg/rockbox/build_rec8/plugin.o(.data+0xf4): undefined reference to `lcd_ |
22:38:43 | [IDC]Dragon | framebuffer' |
22:38:56 | [IDC]Dragon | (I'm typing slow today) |
22:39:23 | Zagor | trying it locally. hang on... |
22:39:37 | [IDC]Dragon | It puzzles me that the linker is not called with all the .o files |
22:39:53 | [IDC]Dragon | I could email you the files |
22:40:41 | Zagor | no, it's a simple thing. i've recreated it already. |
22:41:08 | [IDC]Dragon | is there a split in linking firmware and application? |
22:41:28 | Zagor | yes, the firmware is a library |
22:41:47 | [IDC]Dragon | aha. where are the exports defined? |
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22:42:00 | tracktheripper | hi |
22:42:02 | Zagor | firmware/export |
22:42:15 | [IDC]Dragon | you mean the headers? |
22:42:20 | Zagor | yes |
22:42:33 | [IDC]Dragon | that should be no problem. |
22:42:52 | [IDC]Dragon | extern unsigned char lcd_framebuffer[LCD_WIDTH][LCD_HEIGHT/8]; |
22:43:00 | [IDC]Dragon | is defined in lcd.h |
22:43:30 | [IDC]Dragon | so the library can't hide symbols? |
22:44:21 | Zagor | no. in unix, all library code is public |
22:45:02 | [IDC]Dragon | then I don't understand the error |
22:45:15 | Zagor | me neither... |
22:45:57 | [IDC]Dragon | the symbol should be there (in lcd.o), there's a definition (the compiler is not complaining). |
22:46:40 | [IDC]Dragon | you give access to "current_tick" in a similar way |
22:46:58 | [IDC]Dragon | that's also a pointer, the value is located in the kernel |
22:48:33 | [IDC]Dragon | how's your experiment? |
22:48:41 | Zagor | failing :) |
22:48:48 | [IDC]Dragon | :( |
22:50:22 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't see the difference to "current_tick" |
22:52:03 | Zagor | it's got something to do with it being an array. |
22:52:16 | Zagor | basic types are no problem, but exporing an array fails |
22:53:28 | [IDC]Dragon | are they decorated? |
22:53:33 | Zagor | ah, found it |
22:54:05 | [IDC]Dragon | yes? |
22:54:10 | Zagor | before the declaration of lcd_framebuffer in lcd-recorder.c, there is a 'static' within a typedef. that means the variable is not global and thus not accessible from the outside. |
22:54:19 | Zagor | s/typedef/ifdef |
22:54:36 | Zagor | remove those three lines and it works |
22:54:47 | [IDC]Dragon | bastards! |
22:55:04 | tracktheripper | :O |
22:55:12 | [IDC]Dragon | static means inaccessible, interesting. |
22:55:33 | Zagor | it means local in the module/file |
22:55:49 | [IDC]Dragon | I wonder why this is in there |
22:56:04 | Zagor | to prevent it from being global. we try to avoid globals. |
22:56:06 | [IDC]Dragon | looks very much on purpose, with that #ifdef |
22:56:25 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, I see. |
22:57:11 | [IDC]Dragon | There's a screendump test code in misc.c, that got probably broken for the same reason. |
22:57:49 | Zagor | yeah |
22:58:33 | [IDC]Dragon | in any case, thanks a lot! |
22:59:32 | Zagor | you're welcome |
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23:02:54 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, builds like a champ. Lets make a plugin! |
23:17:56 | uski | what are you doing ? :=) |
23:18:19 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: another insolite plugin ? :) |
23:18:28 | [IDC]Dragon | insolite? |
23:18:41 | tracktheripper | what about an id3 tag editor pluggin? |
23:18:42 | uski | yea, special, because it is a very good idea |
23:18:58 | uski | tracktheripper: how will you type the characters with the 10 keys keyboard ? :) |
23:19:18 | uski | but hmmm it might be funny to connect a pc keyboard to the archos |
23:19:23 | uski | to use it as a notepad |
23:19:30 | tracktheripper | use the virtual keyboard uski |
23:19:37 | tracktheripper | like the one for renaming files |
23:19:45 | uski | OOO BTW |
23:19:46 | [IDC]Dragon | you could connect a serial keyboard. |
23:19:53 | uski | how damn can you lock the keyboard on the archos ? |
23:20:00 | uski | i can't find the key combination to do it |
23:20:04 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe a mobile phone addonone could do |
23:20:09 | uski | yea |
23:20:14 | [IDC]Dragon | addon one |
23:20:18 | tracktheripper | uski to edit id3 tags use the same virtual keyboard like the one for editing filenames |
23:20:48 | uski | hmmm, PS2: |
23:20:50 | uski | 1 |
23:20:50 | uski | CLOCK |
23:20:50 | uski | Clock |
23:20:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK uski |
23:20:50 | uski | CLK/CTS, Open-collector |
23:20:50 | uski | 2 |
23:20:51 | Zagor | uski: f1+down |
23:20:52 | uski | DATA |
23:20:54 | uski | Data |
23:20:56 | uski | RxD/TxD/RTS, Open-collector |
23:20:58 | uski | => 2 pins only |
23:21:15 | uski | Zagor: greaaat !!! ty ! |
23:21:46 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: i could make a small converter to connect a keyboard to the remote port of the archos |
23:21:55 | uski | with a small microcontroller |
23:22:24 | [IDC]Dragon | naa, get a serial one |
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23:23:37 | tracktheripper | hi papaunix |
23:23:47 | papaunix | everyone Ok? |
23:23:52 | tracktheripper | yep u? |
23:24:13 | papaunix | good good, bit fucked off but ok all the same |
23:24:15 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: yea but it is hard to find a serial one :) |
23:24:26 | uski | PS/2 keyboards are lying everywhere in my house |
23:24:32 | papaunix | mine 2 |
23:25:05 | [IDC]Dragon | I guess all these addon mobile phone SMS keyboards are serial. |
23:25:14 | tracktheripper | but the archos is a slave not a master |
23:25:16 | [IDC]Dragon | and they're small |
23:25:18 | tracktheripper | so its not possible :( |
23:25:39 | papaunix | I saw an sms keyb like that mini usb |
23:25:44 | uski | tracktheripper: you're speaking for the keyboard ? |
23:25:56 | papaunix | u know, the one on the other end of wi-net cards |
23:25:59 | uski | the SERIAL port, not the usb port, is bidirectionnal; there is not "master/slave" |
23:26:26 | uski | it has basically a receive, and a transmit line |
23:26:29 | [IDC]Dragon | by default, it's an input, which is OK for a keyboard, I'd say. |
23:26:31 | uski | and that's all |
23:26:36 | uski | right |
23:26:41 | tracktheripper | lol u will be asking to check your email on the archos nextg |
23:26:42 | uski | but some keyboards need to get initialized |
23:26:50 | uski | :\ |
23:26:58 | papaunix | ...*whistles* |
23:27:42 | papaunix | so whats the age range in here |
23:27:58 | uski | 3 years old for me. |
23:27:59 | uski | ;) |
23:28:08 | papaunix | yea, nice |
23:29:13 | tracktheripper | im 25 |
23:29:16 | tracktheripper | papaunix |
23:29:21 | papaunix | safe |
23:29:39 | tracktheripper | :D |
23:29:50 | tracktheripper | Zagor is 32 i believe |
23:29:59 | papaunix | Anyone actually in IT? for work? |
23:30:21 | Zagor | only 31 yet |
23:30:24 | Zagor | papaunix: yes |
23:30:32 | papaunix | What area? |
23:30:46 | Zagor | embedded systems development |
23:30:50 | papaunix | nice |
23:30:53 | Zagor | very :) |
23:31:58 | papaunix | Im one of those guys that comes into your office, tears down your old server system and replaces it, some call me a specialist, some a hero. |
23:31:59 | papaunix | lol |
23:32:05 | uski | any C guru here ? |
23:32:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
23:32:13 | uski | i have a small question.. |
23:32:19 | papaunix | Im no guru |
23:32:23 | papaunix | but ill try and answer |
23:32:29 | uski | ok ;) |
23:32:39 | uski | btw it is a bit offtopic, but shhhh ;) |
23:32:46 | papaunix | safe |
23:32:50 | tracktheripper | Zagor rules |
23:33:00 | uski | i want to store a font in the memory of a µC; so, i want to have an array of bytes |
23:33:11 | papaunix | right... |
23:33:12 | uski | like Font[char_number, column_number] |
23:33:18 | papaunix | right |
23:33:25 | uski | but how to declare it, like a constant, i.e. with preinitialized values ? |
23:33:34 | uski | i don't know the syntax (shame on me ;)) |
23:33:46 | uski | each char will be 6 bytes wide |
23:33:47 | papaunix | So ure array is static |
23:33:50 | uski | right |
23:34:03 | tracktheripper | u cant' have new fonts for the player |
23:34:04 | tracktheripper | ;( |
23:34:06 | tracktheripper | :( |
23:34:11 | uski | tracktheripper: it's not for the player ;) |
23:34:14 | tracktheripper | ok |
23:34:22 | uski | actually, it's for driving a led matrix display i am creating |
23:34:29 | uski | i plan to use rockbox's 5*8 font ;) |
23:34:32 | tracktheripper | u should be able to though as the character cells are pixels, not segments |
23:34:44 | uski | since my matrix are 8 pixels for the height |
23:34:48 | Zagor | uski: look in apps/recorder/icons.c for examples |
23:34:59 | uski | Zagor: ok, ty :] |
23:35:01 | papaunix | yeah thats the one lol |
23:35:20 | Zagor | tracktheripper: as always, the hardware has limits |
23:35:29 | tracktheripper | damn hardware :( |
23:35:29 | uski | yea but these array are single dimension as far as i can see |
23:35:29 | tracktheripper | lol |
23:35:38 | papaunix | anyone know n e thing on raid? |
23:35:50 | uski | unsigned char bitmap_icons_6x8[LastIcon][6] = |
23:35:58 | Zagor | that one is 2-dim |
23:35:59 | uski | is this a bidimentionnal array ? |
23:36:04 | uski | ok, ty ;) |
23:36:27 | papaunix | Raid n e one? |
23:36:28 | uski | what is the first index, 0 or 1 ? |
23:36:38 | tracktheripper | yea i know raid |
23:36:44 | papaunix | ok here is the thing |
23:36:56 | papaunix | 2x180gb in mirror. .... |
23:37:06 | papaunix | my hardware has 2 ribbon ports |
23:37:18 | Zagor | uski: 0 |
23:37:26 | papaunix | [....X1 ...] [....X2....] |
23:37:39 | papaunix | I need master and slave on one port to mirror. |
23:37:53 | papaunix | but even i do, it tells me i have a master in each |
23:37:56 | uski | Zagor: ok :) last question: where is the default font stored for recorders (what is the file) ? |
23:38:15 | tracktheripper | the raid i was referring to was when one raids the micronas offices to reprogram the mass |
23:38:15 | tracktheripper | lol |
23:38:32 | papaunix | right |
23:38:32 | papaunix | lol |
23:38:53 | uski | ??? someone went to micronas offices to ask them infos ? |
23:39:09 | tracktheripper | well emailed them anyway |
23:39:28 | papaunix | c ya everyone im off |
23:39:40 | | Part papaunix |
23:39:49 | Zagor | uski: firmware/fonts/clR6x8.bdf it's converted into C by the Makefile in firmware/ |
23:40:16 | uski | ok.. :) ty |
23:40:58 | uski | $(TOOLSDIR)/convbdf -c -o $(OBJDIR)/sysfont.c $< |
23:41:01 | uski | mwehehehe |
23:41:05 | uski | :] |
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23:43:30 | * | uski loves rockbox |
23:43:37 | uski | am i allowed to take some fonts for my project ? |
23:43:44 | uski | (it is not a commercial project) |
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23:45:43 | | Join kerbe6 [0] (~satwak14@ip68-3-105-11.ph.ph.cox.net) |
23:45:57 | kerbe6 | Hello is anyone currently in here? |
23:46:18 | Zagor | yes |
23:46:24 | kerbe6 | hello |
23:46:37 | kerbe6 | are you a rockbox developer? |
23:46:45 | Zagor | uski: you should check the copyright text on each font you want to use. some fonts are free for all uses, some are restricted. |
23:46:48 | Zagor | kerbe6: yes |
23:47:21 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm here, too ;) |
23:47:36 | [IDC]Dragon | If Zagor is no developer, who then? |
23:47:43 | kerbe6 | ok, well i was thinking of adding support to diplay lyrics in sync with a song to rockbox...does this sound possibel? |
23:47:59 | Zagor | kerbe6: sure, if the lyrics are time coded |
23:48:08 | kerbe6 | hmm ok |
23:48:30 | Zagor | i think we might even have a request for that feature |
23:48:33 | kerbe6 | well i'm sure i'll be back here soon for some help...thx! |
23:48:44 | Zagor | welcome back :) |
23:50:02 | uski | Zagor: ok |
23:52:35 | uski | thanks for your help, gtg |
23:52:40 | uski | see you all |
23:53:04 | Zagor | bye |