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| 00:20:36 | track | Linus or Zagor how about a "diagnostic" plugin as suggested by midknight2k3 that tests the aspects such as LCD, HD status, RAM buffer etc |
| 00:21:15 | scott666 | whats wrong with the debug screen? |
| 00:21:17 | Zagor | if you fell it would be useful, write one. |
| 00:21:25 | midknight2k3 | i think i will |
| 00:21:41 | Zagor | however i have never heard anyone get dead pixels on the lcd or bad cells in the ram |
| 00:21:52 | midknight2k3 | LOL |
| 00:21:54 | midknight2k3 | well |
| 00:21:57 | midknight2k3 | if they do |
| 00:21:59 | midknight2k3 | they can test it |
| 00:22:01 | track | zagor it wasnt' my idea it was Midknight2k3s |
| 00:22:07 | midknight2k3 | zagor |
| 00:22:13 | Zagor | why don't you write something from our massive list of feature requests instead? |
| 00:22:15 | midknight2k3 | track has a dead pixel on his cameras lcd |
| 00:22:32 | midknight2k3 | such as? |
| 00:22:48 | track | reshuffle when playlist repeats |
| 00:22:57 | midknight2k3 | what does the archos firmware do to determine the status of the hard drive |
| 00:23:02 | midknight2k3 | under "diagnose"? |
| 00:23:10 | Zagor | i don't know |
| 00:23:27 | track | it checks the status of the FAT |
| 00:23:49 | midknight2k3 | track: and how do we do that? |
| 00:23:50 | midknight2k3 | hmm? |
| 00:23:55 | hardeep | hmmmm, a short is 2 bytes on the sh1 right? |
| 00:24:05 | LinusN | yup |
| 00:24:31 | track | i think every feature request that is possible has been done |
| 00:24:37 | track | can't see anymore features being added |
| 00:24:42 | hardeep | do you guys mind if I reduce the resume_index down to a short since max playlist size is 20000? Gives an extra 2 bytes in rtc |
| 00:24:59 | midknight2k3 | 2 bytes? ooh |
| 00:25:03 | midknight2k3 | what can we use it for |
| 00:25:13 | Zagor | hardeep: fine by me |
| 00:25:14 | hardeep | well, i needed it for saving another resume value |
| 00:25:20 | midknight2k3 | oh |
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| 00:40:29 | track | when is the id3 tag editor coming? |
| 00:40:32 | track | or the reshuffle? |
| 00:40:56 | Zagor | when someone writes it, of course. |
| 00:41:16 | midknight2k3 | what about "Get file properties"? |
| 00:41:20 | Bluechip | reshuffle? |
| 00:41:23 | midknight2k3 | On+PLAY, then Properties |
| 00:42:37 | Bluechip | i have a user question... can I build a playlist and save it from blank? |
| 00:42:57 | midknight2k3 | dynamic? yes |
| 00:43:27 | Bluechip | where is "proprties"? on+play from WHICH screen? |
| 00:43:38 | midknight2k3 | tree |
| 00:43:42 | midknight2k3 | dir browser |
| 00:43:45 | midknight2k3 | there is no properties |
| 00:43:48 | midknight2k3 | but i request it |
| 00:43:52 | Bluechip | cool - i must download the new manual and read up on dynamic playlists :) |
| 00:44:09 | Bluechip | ahh right - you should be able to do that :) |
| 00:44:54 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 00:45:30 | Bluechip | :) find the menu, add a new entry, write a little screen that say "hello", then the tricky bit :) |
| 00:45:41 | Bluechip | ...finding the file info |
| 00:45:53 | Bluechip | it is most likely already read in by the file i/o system libs |
| 00:46:00 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 00:46:05 | Bluechip | just a matter of doing a printf :) |
| 00:46:10 | midknight2k3 | "hello! file info:" |
| 00:46:17 | Bluechip | :) |
| 00:46:22 | midknight2k3 | or |
| 00:46:27 | midknight2k3 | SPLASH: Hello! |
| 00:46:31 | midknight2k3 | then File Info: |
| 00:46:45 | midknight2k3 | file type, file size, all the good stuff |
| 00:46:52 | midknight2k3 | and also |
| 00:46:53 | Bluechip | looking at your code, i think you could do that quite easily |
| 00:47:03 | midknight2k3 | whos code |
| 00:47:08 | Bluechip | urs |
| 00:47:11 | midknight2k3 | oh my diagnoser |
| 00:47:12 | Bluechip | clock |
| 00:47:12 | midknight2k3 | i forgot |
| 00:47:16 | midknight2k3 | oh linus helped |
| 00:47:22 | midknight2k3 | clearrect works! |
| 00:47:23 | midknight2k3 | YAY |
| 00:47:24 | midknight2k3 | IT WORKS! |
| 00:47:26 | Bluechip | :) |
| 00:47:31 | midknight2k3 | thanks |
| 00:47:35 | track | if u really want diagnose do ithe diagnosing on ur PC with scandisk |
| 00:47:37 | track | or checkdisk |
| 00:47:40 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 00:47:46 | midknight2k3 | why |
| 00:47:49 | Bluechip | I would still clearline() just before you work out the new coords |
| 00:47:54 | midknight2k3 | you cant diagnose a lcd on the computer |
| 00:48:00 | midknight2k3 | linus did it |
| 00:48:05 | midknight2k3 | so it clears where it was |
| 00:48:17 | track | but u can easily diagnose the LCD |
| 00:48:28 | midknight2k3 | i think i will release it today |
| 00:48:28 | track | set the contrast to dark and see if all the pixels work |
| 00:48:30 | midknight2k3 | if i have time |
| 00:48:32 | midknight2k3 | why? |
| 00:48:37 | midknight2k3 | thats harder than playing a program |
| 00:48:42 | midknight2k3 | or you can run a whole set of tetws |
| 00:48:44 | midknight2k3 | tests* |
| 00:48:52 | midknight2k3 | fine track. hate me. |
| 00:49:17 | track | lol u will be doing tests like what u find on a crt monitor, like barrel, pincushion, rotation, trapezoid, colour temperature, degauss |
| 00:49:19 | track | lol |
| 00:49:31 | midknight2k3 | yeah! YEAH! |
| 00:49:35 | Bluechip | lol |
| 00:49:35 | midknight2k3 | good idea |
| 00:49:38 | midknight2k3 | LCD ADJUSTER |
| 00:49:40 | Bluechip | degauss :) |
| 00:49:41 | midknight2k3 | rotation.. lol |
| 00:49:43 | midknight2k3 | degauss |
| 00:49:44 | midknight2k3 | LOL |
| 00:49:49 | midknight2k3 | make it shake |
| 00:49:53 | Bluechip | lol |
| 00:50:00 | midknight2k3 | i think ill try that |
| 00:50:03 | midknight2k3 | when i get better |
| 00:50:11 | track | midknight file it as a request |
| 00:50:11 | midknight2k3 | "Fake Degauss Option" |
| 00:50:25 | Bluechip | release date april 1 |
| 00:50:40 | track | 4 |
| 00:50:51 | midknight2k3 | lol |
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| 01:00:14 | track | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=855975&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
| 01:05:46 | Zagor | remember a week ago or something, when I said you guys had your last chance? |
| 01:05:58 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 01:06:43 | midknight2k3 | that was track! |
| 01:07:01 | track | no it wasnt |
| 01:07:11 | midknight2k3 | remember |
| 01:07:17 | midknight2k3 | track you said you wouldnt |
| 01:07:19 | midknight2k3 | zagor wait |
| 01:07:22 | midknight2k3 | im gonna make it a patch |
| 01:07:27 | midknight2k3 | thats why i deleted it |
| 01:07:45 | midknight2k3 | unless you .. don't... wan..t it...? |
| 01:07:57 | midknight2k3 | . |
| 01:08:30 | track | lol lacking a sense of humour |
| 01:09:04 | midknight2k3 | track |
| 01:09:39 | midknight2k3 | i do not want to know why zagor opped himself :\ |
| 01:09:39 | track | yea |
| 01:09:54 | midknight2k3 | wheres the deleted option |
| 01:10:00 | midknight2k3 | rejected is the best thing you can do? |
| 01:10:08 | track | wheres zagor? |
| 01:10:10 | midknight2k3 | wheres the "i am stupid and know it was dumb" option |
| 01:10:53 | midknight2k3 | o |
| 01:10:55 | midknight2k3 | i know where he is |
| 01:11:01 | midknight2k3 | banning me from sourceforge :( |
| 01:11:06 | midknight2k3 | then from the site |
| 01:11:10 | midknight2k3 | then from #rockbox |
| 01:11:30 | top_bloke | hey mid is text pad free or do u have to pay for it? |
| 01:11:31 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:11:31 | Ctcp | DCC request from Zagor!bjst@1-1-3-36a.sk.sth.bostream.se (CHAT chat 3232235530 34638) |
| 01:11:42 | top_bloke | or crack it |
| 01:11:49 | midknight2k3 | free if you crack it |
| 01:12:01 | midknight2k3 | i thought you left |
| 01:12:13 | top_bloke | but is it crippled when not cracked |
| 01:12:20 | top_bloke | but then i came back! |
| 01:12:20 | midknight2k3 | nope |
| 01:12:24 | midknight2k3 | actually |
| 01:12:29 | midknight2k3 | it just reminds to register once in a while |
| 01:12:47 | top_bloke | ok |
| 01:12:58 | midknight2k3 | and you hit ok and thats it |
| 01:13:40 | Bluechip | OT: does anyone here know about this "lossless" SHN comrpession? |
| 01:13:45 | midknight2k3 | nope |
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| 01:15:53 | top_bloke | god 30 min at 932 byes/sec |
| 01:16:16 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:16:18 | midknight2k3 | il brb |
| 01:16:55 | Mode | "#rockbox +o logbot " by Zagor (bjst@1-1-3-36a.sk.sth.bostream.se) |
| 01:17:32 | midknight2k3 | oh no |
| 01:17:38 | track | what |
| 01:17:40 | midknight2k3 | oh phew |
| 01:17:48 | midknight2k3 | thats why he opped himself ? ) |
| 01:18:06 | top_bloke | yay logbo'ts back in charge |
| 01:18:13 | midknight2k3 | no please |
| 01:18:17 | midknight2k3 | delete him off op |
| 01:18:19 | midknight2k3 | he gets me all the time |
| 01:18:22 | midknight2k3 | and bans me |
| 01:18:29 | track | well behave then |
| 01:18:30 | track | :| |
| 01:18:33 | top_bloke | thats what hes supposed to do |
| 01:18:45 | midknight2k3 | i dont not behave |
| 01:18:50 | midknight2k3 | i just paste >2 lines of text |
| 01:18:55 | midknight2k3 | and he sets mode +b me |
| 01:19:04 | midknight2k3 | and zagor must clear the ban list |
| 01:19:05 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:19:07 | top_bloke | more than 2 sets him off? |
| 01:19:11 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 01:19:18 | midknight2k3 | more than 2 lines 3 times in a row = ban |
| 01:19:23 | midknight2k3 | i know his stuff |
| 01:19:36 | track | midknight someone added a comment to ur requesty |
| 01:20:06 | midknight2k3 | agahaha |
| 01:20:25 | track | ur mate |
| 01:20:27 | midknight2k3 | haha |
| 01:20:46 | midknight2k3 | ill brb |
| 01:20:49 | track | k |
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| 01:33:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:41:21 | | Part Bluechip |
| 01:41:21 | | Quit track (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 01:42:48 | | Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") |
| 01:50:35 | midknight2k3 | linus lives on!\ |
| 01:50:46 | LinusN | oh yes |
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| 01:53:21 | midknight2k3 | LOL |
| 01:53:31 | midknight2k3 | Sender: mikeh0lden |
| 01:53:43 | midknight2k3 | shouldnt track be punished for impersonation? |
| 01:54:09 | midknight2k3 | feels like 8pmj |
| 01:54:31 | LinusN | yes, and you should be punished for polluting our database with another silly request |
| 01:54:44 | midknight2k3 | its not silly! |
| 01:54:53 | LinusN | why not? |
| 01:54:54 | midknight2k3 | actually the contrast concept is a good idea :) |
| 01:55:05 | LinusN | we have contrast adjustment |
| 01:55:14 | midknight2k3 | i couldnt live with rockbox if you didn't |
| 01:55:36 | midknight2k3 | but |
| 01:55:39 | midknight2k3 | what about the fake degauss |
| 01:55:44 | midknight2k3 | a shake simulation |
| 01:55:48 | midknight2k3 | isnt that a good idea |
| 01:55:54 | LinusN | why on earth would we want that? |
| 01:56:02 | midknight2k3 | ok heres my "schpiel |
| 01:56:30 | midknight2k3 | how about an orientation option |
| 01:56:40 | LinusN | rotation? |
| 01:56:44 | midknight2k3 | simple rotate the lcd 90 degrees either way, and the button layout too |
| 01:56:57 | midknight2k3 | so like you can use it the other way |
| 01:57:04 | midknight2k3 | or... hmm never mind |
| 01:57:09 | midknight2k3 | the pixels are odd shaped |
| 01:57:15 | LinusN | unfortunately, we kind of depend on the current rotation |
| 01:57:31 | midknight2k3 | we do? |
| 01:57:55 | LinusN | all fonts are stored for the current rotation |
| 01:57:59 | midknight2k3 | the rio karma lets you reverse the screen upside down and reverses the buttons too for usage upside down (for left handers) |
| 01:58:09 | midknight2k3 | you can just take the lcd output and flip it |
| 01:58:13 | midknight2k3 | right? |
| 01:58:31 | midknight2k3 | oh well. anyways i am truly sorry about that. |
| 01:58:51 | LinusN | i wonder, why trapetzoid, barrel and stuff? |
| 01:58:59 | midknight2k3 | tracks idea |
| 01:59:25 | LinusN | still, why ask for something that you don't need? |
| 01:59:57 | midknight2k3 | i thought it was a .. |
| 01:59:58 | midknight2k3 | good idea |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:53 | midknight2k3 | 15:52:12 | <track> type something like "Have Screen adjustments like on a CRT monitor, such as degauss, pincusion, barrel, trapezoid, rotation, colour balance |
| 02:01:25 | midknight2k3 | 15:52:45 | <track> just file what I typed abouve |
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| 02:01:45 | thedude02 | hi |
| 02:02:45 | LinusN | midknight2k3: why was it a good idea? |
| 02:03:29 | LinusN | did you need to adjust the pincushion on the LCD? No. |
| 02:03:34 | | Quit thedude02 (Client Quit) |
| 02:03:42 | LinusN | because LCD's don't have those problems |
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| 02:04:05 | midknight2k3 | wait |
| 02:04:09 | midknight2k3 | oh |
| 02:04:13 | midknight2k3 | i just threw that in for looks |
| 02:04:26 | midknight2k3 | who files a request for "degauss" |
| 02:04:34 | LinusN | you? |
| 02:04:42 | midknight2k3 | sure |
| 02:04:45 | midknight2k3 | but i delete it |
| 02:04:56 | LinusN | "for looks" - i repeat: why ask for something you don't need? |
| 02:04:56 | midknight2k3 | did you enjoy my alternate logo? |
| 02:05:06 | midknight2k3 | never mind linus, i'm sorry |
| 02:05:12 | LinusN | the one with tha cross was nice |
| 02:05:29 | midknight2k3 | oh that one was a friend's |
| 02:05:38 | midknight2k3 | i think it should have been given considerations |
| 02:06:13 | LinusN | well, we kind of like the current logo, and want to stick with it |
| 02:06:26 | midknight2k3 | can i ask why? |
| 02:06:34 | LinusN | why we like it? |
| 02:06:37 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 02:06:43 | midknight2k3 | i like it too of course |
| 02:06:50 | midknight2k3 | i had this one really cool one i made |
| 02:06:59 | midknight2k3 | i should submit it to "freestyle pictures" |
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| 02:07:07 | LinusN | it looks good, and looks good in b/w too |
| 02:07:33 | midknight2k3 | we can simplify the cross one for b/w |
| 02:07:38 | midknight2k3 | like with the current one |
| 02:07:42 | LinusN | of course |
| 02:07:52 | midknight2k3 | well anyways |
| 02:08:01 | LinusN | still, we want to stick with the old logo, because it is kind of a trademark |
| 02:08:02 | midknight2k3 | i think ill whip up my 3d rockbox thingy and post it |
| 02:08:09 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 02:09:08 | midknight2k3 | did you run my clock on target? |
| 02:09:12 | midknight2k3 | LinusN? |
| 02:10:27 | LinusN | i haven't run it at all |
| 02:10:31 | midknight2k3 | oh |
| 02:10:37 | LinusN | i didn't even compile it |
| 02:10:51 | LinusN | that's why the declarations were missing |
| 02:11:01 | midknight2k3 | well your fix worked THANKS |
| 02:11:06 | LinusN | great |
| 02:11:10 | midknight2k3 | ill prolly release it tonight when i complete the ui |
| 02:11:32 | midknight2k3 | and just maybe a coder might like it enough to consider it formally.... :) |
| 02:11:35 | midknight2k3 | er ;) |
| 02:16:28 | midknight2k3 | so linus |
| 02:16:50 | midknight2k3 | this confuses me - it's: lcd_drawline(startx, starty, endx, endy)? |
| 02:18:09 | LinusN | yes |
| 02:18:20 | midknight2k3 | and also.. |
| 02:18:28 | midknight2k3 | what is it i was trying to remember |
| 02:18:38 | midknight2k3 | well i forget now :) lol |
| 02:18:43 | LinusN | :-) |
| 02:19:03 | midknight2k3 | oh yeah |
| 02:19:10 | midknight2k3 | screen dimensions: 112x64? |
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| 02:22:31 | midknight2k3 | linus? |
| 02:22:51 | LinusN | yes |
| 02:22:57 | midknight2k3 | thats right? |
| 02:22:58 | midknight2k3 | screen dimensions: 112x64? |
| 02:23:02 | LinusN | yes |
| 02:23:05 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 02:23:19 | midknight2k3 | when you put something at 112 it causes stkov scroll? |
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| 02:23:37 | LinusN | of course |
| 02:23:52 | LinusN | the coordinates are between 0 and 111 |
| 02:23:59 | midknight2k3 | OHH |
| 02:24:00 | midknight2k3 | thats it |
| 02:24:02 | midknight2k3 | thanks lol |
| 02:24:37 | midknight2k3 | actually |
| 02:24:46 | midknight2k3 | the compiler should make that not makable |
| 02:24:49 | midknight2k3 | dont you think |
| 02:25:17 | LinusN | how would the compiler know which LCD we have? |
| 02:25:48 | midknight2k3 | uh |
| 02:25:59 | midknight2k3 | how would the compilter know what .. nm |
| 02:26:00 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 02:26:08 | LinusN | and that the arguments for the lcd_drawline() function are coordinates? |
| 02:26:24 | midknight2k3 | what else would they be ? |
| 02:27:57 | LinusN | the compiler is a C compiler, you can write anything you want in C |
| 02:28:03 | midknight2k3 | never mind |
| 02:28:15 | LinusN | how is the compiler to know what each of your function does? |
| 02:28:57 | midknight2k3 | sorry! I apologize for brining it up! I WAS WRONG! |
| 02:29:10 | LinusN | :_) |
| 02:29:40 | midknight2k3 | lol! |
| 02:29:45 | midknight2k3 | thats good |
| 02:30:41 | midknight2k3 | what irc client do you use linus? |
| 02:32:05 | telliott | Setting disc-poweroff to yes seems to have cured my "red LED dead" problems that killed recording. I'm going to try a 2 hour recording later tonight. |
| 02:32:27 | LinusN | midknight2k3: xchat |
| 02:32:27 | midknight2k3 | really? |
| 02:32:33 | LinusN | telliott: great |
| 02:32:34 | midknight2k3 | that may be the solution! |
| 02:32:42 | LinusN | midknight2k3: solution to what? |
| 02:32:46 | midknight2k3 | RLD |
| 02:32:48 | LinusN | ah |
| 02:32:53 | midknight2k3 | m hmm |
| 02:33:09 | LinusN | unfortunately not |
| 02:33:16 | midknight2k3 | no? |
| 02:33:18 | LinusN | players can't power off the disk |
| 02:33:18 | midknight2k3 | m mm |
| 02:33:25 | midknight2k3 | it happens with players? |
| 02:33:29 | midknight2k3 | i thought it was rec only |
| 02:33:39 | LinusN | but it might be a key to the solution |
| 02:34:00 | midknight2k3 | linus: does archos fw do it too |
| 02:34:03 | midknight2k3 | or just rockbox |
| 02:34:25 | LinusN | just rockbox |
| 02:34:34 | midknight2k3 | i got an idea |
| 02:34:35 | LinusN | it is a bug in our ATA driver, but we need to find it |
| 02:34:37 | telliott | My "red LED dead" problems seemed to be getting worse. In a half hour of playing, I had to restart twice. |
| 02:34:46 | midknight2k3 | lets rewrite rockbox! |
| 02:34:50 | midknight2k3 | then well see where the problem is! |
| 02:35:05 | LinusN | you're a genius! |
| 02:35:16 | midknight2k3 | YEAH! |
| 02:35:18 | midknight2k3 | :_) |
| 02:37:08 | midknight2k3 | LinusN: has rockbox become more than what you thought it'd be? |
| 02:38:04 | telliott | Is a 60GB drive harder for the system to handle? |
| 02:42:08 | midknight2k3 | so lcd is 112x64 but coordinates are 11x63? |
| 02:42:13 | midknight2k3 | 111x53* |
| 02:42:16 | midknight2k3 | arg |
| 02:42:19 | midknight2k3 | 111x63** |
| 02:42:41 | LinusN | telliott: yes and no |
| 02:42:56 | midknight2k3 | midknight2k3: yes, and yes |
| 02:42:57 | LinusN | telliott: it's not the size (well, the cluster size matters) |
| 02:43:33 | LinusN | telliott: the power consumption matters |
| 02:43:46 | LinusN | you should use large clusters |
| 02:43:51 | midknight2k3 | why large? |
| 02:43:53 | midknight2k3 | smaller is better |
| 02:44:28 | midknight2k3 | clusters are stupid, imo. why not just use whats needed, no more. |
| 02:44:47 | midknight2k3 | or a 1kb cluster size :) |
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| 02:46:06 | LinusN | midknight2k3: the smaller clusters, the bigger FAT |
| 02:46:37 | LinusN | and a big FAT will give lousy performance |
| 02:46:42 | midknight2k3 | oh |
| 02:46:48 | midknight2k3 | well smaller clusters give more disk space |
| 02:46:50 | midknight2k3 | so there. |
| 02:48:22 | LinusN | smaller clusters give you less slack, yes, but the FAT will be huge and hard to cache, file system performance will suck |
| 02:48:25 | telliott | LinusN: What cluster size should I use for a 60GB (55GB formatted) drive? I used the default set by Partition Magic since Windows XP refused to format the drive FAT32. |
| 02:49:05 | midknight2k3 | linus: is the idle poweroff time enabled for plugins? |
| 02:50:46 | LinusN | i think you should use 32 or 64k |
| 02:51:07 | midknight2k3 | WHAT! |
| 02:51:08 | midknight2k3 | WOW! |
| 02:51:17 | midknight2k3 | 32 or 64K CLUSTERS?! |
| 02:51:23 | diddystar5 | the tivo drive format uses clusters like 1 mb, since all the video files are so huge |
| 02:51:28 | midknight2k3 | huge! |
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| 02:56:20 | midknight2k3 | 2:56 linus |
| 02:56:22 | midknight2k3 | wow |
| 02:57:20 | telliott | I am using 32K clusters. What would I gain by going to 64K? |
| 02:57:27 | midknight2k3 | nothing. |
| 02:57:30 | midknight2k3 | less disk space. |
| 02:57:34 | midknight2k3 | try 2kb clusters |
| 02:57:39 | midknight2k3 | or 4kb |
| 02:57:44 | midknight2k3 | 8kb if you must |
| 02:59:13 | telliott | A large FAT32 partition HAS to use large clusters. |
| 02:59:16 | midknight2k3 | i happen to disagree |
| 02:59:56 | LinusN | midknight2k3: did you write the FAT32 driver? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:05 | midknight2k3 | YES! |
| 03:00:09 | midknight2k3 | OR AT LEAST ONE LINE OF IT! |
| 03:00:13 | midknight2k3 | MAYBE! |
| 03:00:14 | midknight2k3 | IIRC! |
| 03:00:52 | LinusN | how do you know that telliott gains nothing by using 64k clusters instead of 32k? |
| 03:01:02 | midknight2k3 | because dfad! |
| 03:01:27 | Mode | "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 03:02:01 | LinusN | telliott: large clusters means less time for file seeks and updates |
| 03:02:14 | midknight2k3 | +o why? |
| 03:02:17 | midknight2k3 | is that for me? |
| 03:02:26 | telliott | Smaller FAT |
| 03:02:30 | LinusN | telliott: yes |
| 03:02:33 | midknight2k3 | linus, deop logbot |
| 03:02:34 | midknight2k3 | please |
| 03:02:42 | LinusN | nope |
| 03:02:49 | midknight2k3 | why not |
| 03:02:54 | midknight2k3 | he just makes trouble for you |
| 03:03:05 | LinusN | why do you think we use it? |
| 03:03:19 | midknight2k3 | i dont know |
| 03:03:22 | telliott | I wish I could do the 8MB upgrade but I din't solder that well. |
| 03:03:26 | midknight2k3 | but you just have to clear the bans list each time |
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| 03:03:31 | midknight2k3 | who deops him then? |
| 03:04:17 | LinusN | every once in a while we need to reboot the server |
| 03:04:29 | midknight2k3 | hes dumb and should be shot |
| 03:04:52 | LinusN | just because you can't paste blobs in the channel? |
| 03:05:08 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 03:05:15 | midknight2k3 | because... i dont know |
| 03:05:17 | midknight2k3 | make him speak |
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| 03:10:44 | midknight2k3 | sdd |
| 03:10:49 | midknight2k3 | logbot: LOG THIS! |
| 03:11:06 | midknight2k3 | 18:10:56 | -> *logbot* you_are_a_real_large_turd_face |
| 03:11:09 | midknight2k3 | :D |
| 03:15:11 | midknight2k3 | http://www.multiplayercheats.net/ |
| 03:15:14 | midknight2k3 | its so funny! |
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| 03:30:00 | elinenbe | happy release rockbox. I hate Open Neuros |
| 03:30:20 | midknight2k3 | YAY |
| 03:30:25 | midknight2k3 | elininbe |
| 03:30:27 | midknight2k3 | elinenbe* |
| 03:30:27 | midknight2k3 | sorry |
| 03:30:57 | midknight2k3 | sdd |
| 03:30:57 | midknight2k3 | dfad |
| 03:30:58 | midknight2k3 | asdf |
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| 03:33:39 | midknight2k3 | klfd |
| 03:34:04 | LinusN | midknight2k3: why those "asdf" "klfd"? |
| 03:34:15 | midknight2k3 | i apologize |
| 03:34:17 | midknight2k3 | i have problems |
| 03:34:24 | midknight2k3 | banging on the keyboard helps :) |
| 03:35:32 | elinenbe | LinusN: don't you think it is a little late? |
| 03:35:33 | elinenbe | :D |
| 03:35:41 | elinenbe | LinusN: pull an all-nighter. |
| 03:35:42 | midknight2k3 | 3:35am |
| 03:35:45 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 03:36:05 | midknight2k3 | LinusN: i'd learn my lesson if logbot kicked for "adfasdfas" and |
| 03:36:08 | midknight2k3 | adljgalsdf |
| 03:36:29 | elinenbe | midknight2k3: calm down. |
| 03:36:30 | midknight2k3 | why dont you expadd me and diddystar |
| 03:36:34 | midknight2k3 | im not uncalm |
| 03:36:44 | midknight2k3 | LinusN: i'd learn my lesson if logbot kicked for "adfasdfas" and "asdhjsy\f" |
| 03:36:47 | midknight2k3 | thast all i said |
| 03:36:58 | midknight2k3 | elinenbe: do you hate me? |
| 03:39:51 | LinusN | late? naaaah, i'd call it very early :-) |
| 03:40:17 | midknight2k3 | are you staying up all night? protesting in front of archos' HQ and talking on your palm pilot? :) |
| 03:41:01 | diddystar5 | lol |
| 03:41:02 | midknight2k3 | LinusN: is there a clearpixel function |
| 03:41:29 | diddystar5 | there is mid |
| 03:41:34 | diddystar5 | see the API doc |
| 03:41:47 | midknight2k3 | no thanks diddy |
| 03:41:51 | midknight2k3 | yes or no will do fine |
| 03:43:00 | LinusN | midknight2k3: diddystar5has a point |
| 03:43:08 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 03:43:34 | midknight2k3 | ??? |
| 03:43:42 | LinusN | his point is: try to find out yourself before asking |
| 03:44:09 | midknight2k3 | just curious! |
| 03:45:12 | LinusN | lcd.h and plugin.h are your friends |
| 03:45:24 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 03:45:25 | LinusN | use the source, luke! |
| 03:45:28 | midknight2k3 | thanks for info |
| 03:45:33 | midknight2k3 | my name isnt luke |
| 03:45:34 | midknight2k3 | but okay |
| 03:46:21 | midknight2k3 | rockbox should be $1 per download |
| 03:46:25 | midknight2k3 | and $5 per source tarball |
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| 03:46:51 | midknight2k3 | except for the devs :D |
| 03:46:56 | midknight2k3 | yefty |
| 03:49:42 | yeft | helllllllllo |
| 03:49:46 | yeft | linus :) |
| 03:49:50 | yeft | i have a question |
| 03:53:08 | LinusN | shoot |
| 03:53:44 | midknight2k3 | LinusN = Official Linux Help Desk |
| 03:54:51 | yeft | i mean come on linus even sounds like linux |
| 03:54:53 | yeft | ok |
| 03:54:55 | yeft | well |
| 03:55:14 | yeft | i am completely new to linux...this is my first 5 minutes using it so no laughing |
| 03:55:32 | yeft | but i downloaded limewire for linux...and it gave me the limewire.bin |
| 03:55:37 | yeft | where do i go from there |
| 03:56:25 | LinusN | cd to the same dir as the bin file |
| 03:56:29 | LinusN | the execute it |
| 03:56:35 | LinusN | then |
| 03:56:51 | yeft | ok lets see if i can do that |
| 03:56:55 | LinusN | remember, the current directory is not in the path by default |
| 03:57:57 | yeft | permission denied :/ |
| 03:58:03 | diddystar5 | why couldnt he just use the browser to execute it? |
| 03:58:14 | yeft | can i just use the browser? |
| 03:58:59 | midknight2k3 | problems |
| 03:59:02 | midknight2k3 | NOO |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:26 | yeft | ehh well i gotta run...thanks linus... |
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| 04:01:50 | midknight2k3 | linus its 4am are you going to bed ever? |
| 04:01:52 | midknight2k3 | shee |
| 04:01:54 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 04:02:26 | diddystar5 | <coffee> |
| 04:02:33 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 04:03:09 | diddystar5 | | |) |
| 04:03:13 | diddystar5 | |__| |
| 04:03:22 | midknight2k3 | that |
| 04:03:23 | midknight2k3 | sucks. |
| 04:03:33 | diddystar5 | arghh bad ascii... |
| 04:03:36 | midknight2k3 | JUST GREAT |
| 04:03:40 | midknight2k3 | LONG HOUR HAND |
| 04:04:24 | diddystar5 | | |) |
| 04:04:26 | diddystar5 | |__| |
| 04:04:27 | diddystar5 | there:) |
| 04:04:30 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 04:04:32 | midknight2k3 | __ |
| 04:04:37 | midknight2k3 | | |\ |
| 04:04:41 | midknight2k3 | | |/ |
| 04:04:44 | midknight2k3 | ¯¯ |
| 04:04:45 | midknight2k3 | er |
| 04:04:49 | midknight2k3 | NOO |
| 04:04:50 | midknight2k3 | i blew it |
| 04:04:53 | midknight2k3 | __ |
| 04:04:55 | midknight2k3 | | |\ |
| 04:04:57 | diddystar5 | bad... |
| 04:04:58 | midknight2k3 | | |/ |
| 04:05:01 | midknight2k3 | YOU BLEW IT |
| 04:05:03 | midknight2k3 | IDIOT |
| 04:05:12 | diddystar5 | nope.... |
| 04:05:15 | diddystar5 | lol |
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| 04:17:53 | midknight2k3 | YAY |
| 04:17:56 | midknight2k3 | HAAAAAAHAA! |
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| 07:55:36 | vol | hey all |
| 07:56:18 | vol | ive been getting "HD Error" a lot w/ my studio 20...a reformat fixes the problem but not for long, anyong know a cause for the error? |
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| 08:31:57 | SeanL994 | hello, anyone here? |
| 08:32:48 | SeanL994 | i used to be a owner of the studio 20(w/ rockbox) but sold it for the multimedia(20) well.. 6 months later, the Headphone jack is just waring down big time on the JBMM, is there anything i can do about this? |
| 08:37:26 | SeanL994 | wow... |
| 08:37:29 | SeanL994 | no one here or what? |
| 08:37:50 | dkaiser | SeanL994: i've been lurking or about 90 minutes, and it's been about this dead... |
| 08:37:58 | dkaiser | SeanL994: sorry, i'm a total newbie to #rockbox |
| 08:38:01 | SeanL994 | lol...lame.. oh well, |
| 08:38:07 | dkaiser | SeanL994: i have no Archos |
| 08:38:14 | SeanL994 | me to..kinda, i was here about 7-8 months ago asking about rockbox and shit |
| 08:38:19 | SeanL994 | skip it, get a zen... |
| 08:38:20 | SeanL994 | lol |
| 08:38:29 | dkaiser | SeanL994: and while I am comfortable enough with electronics to recommend surgery to replace the headphone jack, i wouldn't tell you to... ;) |
| 08:39:20 | SeanL994 | well.. i am comfortable w/ electronics, as well i have 5 other co-workers (car stereo installers) that can very well take a look, tare apart, and possibly fix, but i am affraid....very affraid.. |
| 08:39:34 | dkaiser | yeah, i know the feeling |
| 08:39:46 | SeanL994 | (i work at circuit city) i 'sell the stereos' the 5 that i speek of are the installers, |
| 08:40:41 | SeanL994 | thing is, i have my archos hooked to my deck via Rca >mini(headphone jack) on the archos, and when i drive..go over a bump...or just drive in general.. the jack must be wicked loose, cause it makes an awfull Buzzing |
| 08:41:23 | SeanL994 | i have a hella nice mount(used for delphi(Xm) and its way nice looking, and it works great w/ my stereo... but this LITTLE (BIG) problem is pissing me off |
| 08:41:28 | dkaiser | yeah, i've been trying to reverse engineer the Ai-NET protocol so I can hook up a pc to my Alpine setup |
| 08:41:46 | SeanL994 | oh jesus..lol |
| 08:42:00 | dkaiser | and I stumbled here because i googled for Ai-Net and Linux and stuff, and there was an irclog from #rockbox where they had been discussing that... |
| 08:42:34 | SeanL994 | just do what i did, Alpine > Ainet to rca(aux in) > Rca to Mini > to archos |
| 08:42:46 | SeanL994 | i have alpine Cda-9807 |
| 08:43:13 | dkaiser | well, that's fine for the audio. i want my computer to look like a cd-changer to my head unit. |
| 08:43:29 | dkaiser | but, there is one guy who has decoded the protocol and he won't let me have his work. :( |
| 08:43:33 | SeanL994 | thats just weird man, good luck tho, i dont see how thats possible |
| 08:43:40 | dkaiser | he wants to sell me an Ai-Net->RS232 convertor box for $100 though. |
| 08:43:42 | SeanL994 | that sucks, offer money |
| 08:43:43 | vol | dkaiser, you think itd be possible to mod a usb 1 jukebox to usb2? |
| 08:43:52 | dkaiser | vol: doubtful |
| 08:44:05 | dkaiser | but then again, i've never touched an archos, so i don't know much about them. |
| 08:44:21 | SeanL994 | usb2 is so worth having the pos MMJB..lol 4 hours to transfer 18 gigs rather then 17 hours |
| 08:44:45 | SeanL994 | Vol, did you catch my question earlier? |
| 08:44:49 | vol | yea i got the studio 20, its a pain in the ass to ul music |
| 08:45:19 | vol | about the headphone jack? i dont know i got the same problem w/ my laptop |
| 08:45:25 | SeanL994 | damn it.. |
| 08:46:10 | SeanL994 | hey Dkaiser, have you ever fixed/repaired/messed w/ headphone jacks in any other eq? i mean.. is it just CLiped on there.. or is it solder? |
| 08:46:38 | dkaiser | so, it's definitely going to be soldered |
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| 08:47:19 | dkaiser | but, if you don't mind uglifying your jukebox, i would solder on a short cable, like 5" with a new 2.5mm stereo (headphone) connector on the end of the cable, and leave the cable dangling out of the jukebox |
| 08:47:38 | dkaiser | then you don't have to deal with the archos lack of strain relief and the stress that the cable's constant tugging causes on the jack. |
| 08:47:46 | SeanL994 | god you'd think i could just 'return' it to circuit city( i work there) ya know they(we) do a no history style return... altho i didnt buy it at circuit city, and i would feel like that would be ripping off CC, that wouldnt be cool |
| 08:47:52 | dkaiser | but you should at least tie the replacement 5" cable against something to provide for stress relieft |
| 08:47:58 | SeanL994 | waid.. thats a good idea, |
| 08:48:16 | vol | id just have a friend return it to CC for you |
| 08:48:30 | SeanL994 | so like.. a Male To Female "extention" or somthing? just stick the male end in the archos and solder it in there? |
| 08:48:45 | dkaiser | if you crack it though, you might find you can just tighten up the contact blades in the existing 2.5mm connector with a small hook or needle, thus returning some of the original elasticity of the connection, but that is at most a one-time and short-lived fix. |
| 08:49:02 | dkaiser | i guess you could do that. |
| 08:49:03 | SeanL994 | nah, half the store(including managers) know that i have it |
| 08:49:15 | SeanL994 | i like the idea of adding the extention thing |
| 08:49:19 | dkaiser | i would unsolder the existing 2.5mm connector and solder the wires right onto the circuit board inside the archos |
| 08:49:31 | dkaiser | get rid of the existing connector inside the device altogether |
| 08:49:43 | dkaiser | this will obviously make the device non-returnable at that point! :) |
| 08:49:43 | SeanL994 | cause i ONLY use it in my car, and take it in the house to ul to it |
| 08:50:02 | SeanL994 | lol.. yea welll archos(the company) are a buch of jackoffs anyway, |
| 08:50:10 | SeanL994 | the battery wont hold a goddamn charge, |
| 08:50:17 | SeanL994 | they ignore my EVERY call |
| 08:50:21 | SeanL994 | and email |
| 08:50:26 | SeanL994 | and snail mail |
| 08:50:48 | SeanL994 | i'm gonna pass this info to the guys, maybe they can think of something |
| 08:51:59 | SeanL994 | wait.. just thought of somthin, |
| 08:52:41 | SeanL994 | its the multimedia, and the cable i use(or would use) to output to a tv is 4 bars not (or is it 3 not2...?) if i got some third party extention, it wouldnt work |
| 08:53:06 | dkaiser | is there a standard headphone jack on the device itself? |
| 08:53:40 | dkaiser | or only the 4-pin connector thing? |
| 08:54:08 | SeanL994 | yea, but it also works as....i dont know how to explain it, i have a cable that is rca (red/white/yellow) and most extentions.. most headphones(of course) are only 2 (ie red/white) |
| 08:54:27 | SeanL994 | its a 'standard headphone jack' just w/ video output feature..?i guess |
| 08:54:40 | SeanL994 | red/white...wtf.. i mean like left/right |
| 08:54:49 | dkaiser | ah. one of those 2.5mm connectors with 4 contacts in it |
| 08:54:50 | SeanL994 | so.. the cable is left/right/video |
| 08:54:52 | SeanL994 | yea |
| 08:54:54 | dkaiser | Ground, Left, Right, Video |
| 08:54:57 | SeanL994 | ooh |
| 08:55:02 | SeanL994 | you know your shit..hehe |
| 08:55:02 | dkaiser | good luck with that. |
| 08:55:07 | SeanL994 | damn it |
| 08:55:08 | SeanL994 | lol |
| 08:55:17 | dkaiser | hang on... lemme check something. |
| 08:55:23 | SeanL994 | god if i could return it, i'd get the nomad zen.. |
| 08:58:54 | dkaiser | SeanL994: so, that 2.5mm connector is $1.02 (ea.) but if you can buy in bulk, it gets down to $0.45 each. |
| 08:59:16 | dkaiser | Archos probably gets them at 70% of that, or like $0.30 each when they design/build a product. |
| 08:59:26 | dkaiser | http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=336749&Row=197312&Site=US |
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| 09:00:01 | SeanL994 | ok, and this is what again...sorry |
| 09:00:12 | SeanL994 | this is the connector, or the thing i should solder in? |
| 09:00:26 | dkaiser | this is the existing female 2.5mm 4-connector plug |
| 09:00:38 | dkaiser | if you were going to try and get an outright replacement and solder it in. |
| 09:00:41 | SeanL994 | ok |
| 09:00:51 | dkaiser | or if you were going to solder on a 4-wire extension, and then put one of these on the end of that. |
| 09:00:56 | SeanL994 | is it a difficult solder to do? |
| 09:01:14 | dkaiser | http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T033/0251.pdf (it will look like one of these components on this catalog page.) |
| 09:01:46 | dkaiser | it will be difficult to do. probably SMT (surface-mount technology) which is a tough kind of soldering. would require good equipment, no jittery nerves, magnifying glass, etc... |
| 09:02:11 | SeanL994 | oh ok |
| 09:02:27 | SeanL994 | i know the guys i work w/ can solder, but not sure about anything this technical |
| 09:02:37 | dkaiser | figure 62 and 63 on that catalog page are what your jack would look like |
| 09:02:48 | dkaiser | 62 is drilled-pcb, 63 is surface-mount (SMT) |
| 09:03:02 | dkaiser | for each, the diagram on the right is the 4-connector version |
| 09:03:34 | dkaiser | see the SJ-42515TS ? |
| 09:03:38 | SeanL994 | yea |
| 09:03:38 | dkaiser | i bet it's that configuration |
| 09:03:53 | dkaiser | M6 is the Ground, or the large metal ring on the outside of the plug |
| 09:03:57 | SeanL994 | anyway for them to figure that out? |
| 09:04:09 | dkaiser | M1,M4 are left right |
| 09:04:19 | dkaiser | M3 is a cutoff so when the plug is pulled out, the signal is diverted |
| 09:04:33 | dkaiser | but probably not used here (or does it poweroff when the headphone are removed) |
| 09:04:43 | dkaiser | M5 is probably video |
| 09:05:07 | dkaiser | the solder pads on the actual circuit board would be smaller than those little dots by the M6,M1,M3,etc... |
| 09:05:14 | SeanL994 | dude, would you be willing to do it for me. if the guys i work w/ back down? |
| 09:05:33 | dkaiser | no. sorry. |
| 09:06:12 | dkaiser | i have about 30 other projects for friends at the moment, most which won't get done this year... :( you should be able to figure some of this out though. a decent soldering iron should still be $9 at Radio shack. |
| 09:06:45 | SeanL994 | its not that thats buggin me, its letting the guys at work "try" it, and if shit hits the fan i dont konw if i can get a new one |
| 09:07:37 | dkaiser | hrm. you'll have to manage your own risks there. |
| 09:07:43 | dkaiser | you have a Fry's near you? |
| 09:08:13 | dkaiser | they should have these 2.5mm 4-pin connectors in the components isle (full of little zip-lock bags with transistors, diodes, etc...) |
| 09:09:21 | SeanL994 | nope, just circuit city |
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| 09:20:39 | SeanL994 | hey Dk, would it be 'safe' to un solder the messed up one, and just re-soldering it |
| 09:22:29 | dkaiser | hrm. |
| 09:22:38 | dkaiser | is the jack shot, or just it's connections to the circuit board? |
| 09:22:48 | dkaiser | and, there's another potential problem you might see. |
| 09:23:34 | dkaiser | if it's a drilled PCB, and the jack's connectors go through the PCB and are soldered on the backside, then sometimes, the traces that the solder is on have lifted away from the PCB |
| 09:23:43 | dkaiser | if it's SMT, you probably won't have that problem. |
| 09:24:52 | dkaiser | assuming that it's loose/broken solder connection to a good PCB or SMT board that doesn't have damaged traces, (i.e. the metal solder pads under the device are still etched onto the PCB) you can usually just resolder it and it will work fine |
| 09:25:05 | SeanL994 | oh man, this is to much for me..lol, i'm gonna take it in tomarrow, cause for the next 2 months we are gonna be swamped.. so i gotta do this soon, hopfully they know as much as you man |
| 09:25:27 | dkaiser | do you know for sure that the jack is not just slopped out, and the spring-tension on the contacts doesn't need to be pushed back in? |
| 09:25:30 | dkaiser | that's your first step |
| 09:25:43 | SeanL994 | explain more..please |
| 09:26:36 | dkaiser | there is a (set of) metal blade inside the jack that are bent metal strips, and when you push the headphone connector into them, they bend away enough for the jack to slip past, then they push back again and press tight against the metal contacts of the headphone plug |
| 09:26:49 | dkaiser | if there's a detent (notch) in the plug, you'll feel it click when they get to that point |
| 09:27:04 | SeanL994 | i have it sitting in front of me, the unit has a Line In and line out(Av/ear...the one thats messed up) so.. basically i plug my headphones in the hole(ear) and it goes in but its loose to the touch, it doesnt click at all.. where as the Line In it fits perfect.. like it should |
| 09:27:16 | dkaiser | ah, ok. |
| 09:27:30 | dkaiser | then, that is your problem, not anything to do with loose solder or anything. |
| 09:27:41 | SeanL994 | oh...hell.. thats good news...right? |
| 09:27:47 | dkaiser | the contacts inside the jack rely on the tension of a bent piece of metal to maintain contact with your headphone plug |
| 09:27:55 | dkaiser | and they don't have enough tension to hold it tight |
| 09:28:27 | SeanL994 | so worst case .. all i will have to do is open, and bend a piece of metal? |
| 09:28:52 | SeanL994 | or.. can i use twesers... or.. a needle... somthin like that, and just bend it out a bit? |
| 09:29:03 | dkaiser | well, best case, but yeah. the real problem is that the jack is probably a micro-case too. you'd have to get inside the device, then get inside the little cap on the jack to get to those contacts. |
| 09:29:07 | SeanL994 | cause this is definitly why it makes the buzzing when i'm driving |
| 09:29:35 | dkaiser | a needle with a small hook on the end might work, but I doubt you could actually straighten those connectors without getting the jack casing open. |
| 09:29:40 | SeanL994 | oh geez... well, i'm gonna try that before we solder and stuff |
| 09:30:10 | dkaiser | good idea |
| 09:30:23 | dkaiser | it sounds like the plug is still attached good, and it's just the innards of the plug that needs help. |
| 09:30:29 | SeanL994 | i found this website, some dude opend his archos, and bitched about every possible thing that sucks about the mmjb..lol |
| 09:30:30 | SeanL994 | http://www.hotmp3gear.com/mmjb/diagnosis.htm |
| 09:31:27 | SeanL994 | judging from the pics (cause i have never taken this appart) it looks like the jacks are below the HD. could make things a little bit more tricky |
| 09:31:35 | dkaiser | http://www.hotmp3gear.com/mmjb/arch52.jpg |
| 09:31:40 | dkaiser | are those the jacks ? |
| 09:31:59 | dkaiser | or arch41.jpg ? |
| 09:32:24 | SeanL994 | yea |
| 09:33:06 | SeanL994 | the Q-tip is just cleaning the batt contacts, which i might do since i will be opening the thing anyway.. maybe like this guy's problem w/ the battery might be the same w/ my battery |
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| 09:33:44 | dkaiser | right, so, right by the Q-tip, the 2 jacks are marked 'B' and 'C' in that pic. |
| 09:33:51 | dkaiser | b == line in? c == a/v out? |
| 09:34:33 | SeanL994 | which is the top of the unit the right side of the pic...right? |
| 09:34:48 | dkaiser | i don't know. i've never seen one |
| 09:34:48 | SeanL994 | nevermind.. err.. C is A/v out yes |
| 09:34:52 | dkaiser | ok. |
| 09:35:27 | dkaiser | so, i don't see if that plug has a "cap" or top that can be pried off to get to the contacts inside. |
| 09:35:54 | SeanL994 | actually it might be B-a/v out i cant tell, i dont konw which side the mobo(pcb) is mounted on the unit |
| 09:35:57 | dkaiser | but if it did, you could take a needle or something and straighten the lines that grip the headphone plug |
| 09:36:04 | dkaiser | ok |
| 09:36:33 | SeanL994 | sweet sounds good |
| 09:36:56 | dkaiser | i won't be much more help besides if mentioning that if you go to do any soldering, don't overheat anything. |
| 09:37:20 | dkaiser | lots of smt components right there. that was assembled using 'wave' soldering |
| 09:37:36 | dkaiser | jamming a hot soldering iron on that plug for 5 - 10 seconds will heatup all the other components around it too. |
| 09:37:44 | SeanL994 | oh, ouch |
| 09:37:44 | dkaiser | (like you needed one more item to be scared of...) :) |
| 09:37:50 | dkaiser | good luck |
| 09:37:51 | SeanL994 | heh |
| 09:38:09 | SeanL994 | thanks and thanks for all the help, taking the time and what not, real nice of you :) |
| 09:38:17 | dkaiser | no prob |
| 09:39:07 | SeanL994 | i was wondering how hard You think it would be (altho you are way advanced in this) then anyone i know, how hard would it be to mount everything in this unit, in lets say a new case.. how would i go about re mapping the buttons and what not, but, using the same screen |
| 09:40:13 | dkaiser | no idea. |
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| 09:40:43 | SeanL994 | its just like.. i donno , a calculator, i have taken the buttons off a calculator.. or a (tv) remote control, if i wanted to put everything in lets say a plexy glass type custom enclosure |
| 09:41:33 | dkaiser | i can't answer that question without actually having one and actually looking inside of it |
| 09:42:33 | SeanL994 | yea guess thats true, alright then good night, thanks again, gotta go to work in....9 hours.. i could use some sleep after these 11 hour days |
| 09:47:58 | SeanL994 | oh boy, i hope the sticking a needle or somthing works, cause taking the case off, and getting to the pcb, reqwires soldering the pcb back on the case...oh boy |
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| 17:34:58 | midknight2k3 | hi |
| 17:35:02 | midknight2k3 | ear |
| 17:35:04 | midknight2k3 | dogger |
| 17:35:11 | midknight2k3 | non opped logbot |
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| 18:09:06 | Dogger | HELLO!!!!!!! |
| 18:09:09 | midknight2k3 | HELLO! |
| 18:09:11 | * | Dogger shouts as loud as he can |
| 18:09:22 | midknight2k3 | sehhessh |
| 18:09:44 | * | Dogger is bored of writing his emulator |
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| 18:09:54 | Dogger | why does ARM not release any decent docs??? |
| 18:10:08 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 18:10:14 | midknight2k3 | because the dev kit is $7000? |
| 18:10:19 | midknight2k3 | or was it $8000 |
| 18:10:24 | Dogger | that sucks |
| 18:10:24 | midknight2k3 | or was it $80000 |
| 18:10:32 | Dogger | companies are evil |
| 18:10:45 | midknight2k3 | yes they are |
| 18:10:46 | Dogger | arm are cool tho |
| 18:10:49 | midknight2k3 | except for avos |
| 18:10:52 | Dogger | used to be british |
| 18:11:39 | Dogger | god I hate qvc |
| 18:11:45 | midknight2k3 | why |
| 18:11:53 | Dogger | they just smarm around |
| 18:12:05 | Dogger | 'oh yeah god its so great' |
| 18:12:14 | Dogger | its just a bit over enthusiastic for my liking :) |
| 18:12:40 | Dogger | I suppose its good for people who don't know anything and need it all explained to them |
| 18:12:46 | midknight2k3 | lol yeah |
| 18:13:04 | midknight2k3 | "oh my gosh this is amazingly priced! call within 3 minutes and get 1 payment free" |
| 18:13:15 | midknight2k3 | then they give you like a half hour to call for a free payment |
| 18:13:21 | midknight2k3 | "one time only, folks!" |
| 18:13:32 | midknight2k3 | then next week: "This is your last chance!" |
| 18:14:34 | Dogger | yeah lol |
| 18:14:43 | Dogger | shame is people fall for it |
| 18:14:56 | midknight2k3 | then next year: "this is THE FINAL TIME we are selling this item" |
| 18:15:05 | * | Dogger is experiencing quite slow execution - java emulating ARM cpu |
| 18:15:19 | * | Dogger dogger thinks about rewriting it in x86 asm |
| 18:15:20 | midknight2k3 | gers |
| 18:15:21 | midknight2k3 | q53tteg |
| 18:16:48 | Dogger | have got it running some code though :) |
| 18:16:52 | Dogger | so its not all bad |
| 18:16:58 | midknight2k3 | dafd |
| 18:17:34 | Dogger | do you want me to help you type? |
| 18:17:40 | midknight2k3 | huiaigggggg |
| 18:17:54 | Dogger | aaarrrhchccooosss sssuuusuuuccccckkkskskssss |
| 18:18:04 | midknight2k3 | why |
| 18:18:25 | Dogger | they have no concept of customer support? |
| 18:18:28 | midknight2k3 | i know |
| 18:18:31 | midknight2k3 | asdf |
| 18:18:32 | midknight2k3 | sdd |
| 18:18:33 | midknight2k3 | dfad |
| 18:19:31 | midknight2k3 | (ajbrec rocks) |
| 18:19:45 | Dogger | whats ajbrec? |
| 18:20:07 | midknight2k3 | Archos JukeBox RECorder |
| 18:20:11 | Dogger | ah ok |
| 18:20:15 | Dogger | ipod is better |
| 18:20:17 | midknight2k3 | mm hm |
| 18:20:22 | midknight2k3 | WTF IPOD SUCKS |
| 18:20:32 | midknight2k3 | http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-12/530343/karmajump5.gif |
| 18:20:34 | midknight2k3 | made that myself |
| 18:20:36 | midknight2k3 | :D |
| 18:20:40 | Dogger | I seriously doubt archos will be about when apple/ms/sony etc release pvps |
| 18:21:01 | Dogger | ipod is small and sexy |
| 18:21:08 | Dogger | and has solitaire on it |
| 18:21:13 | Dogger | and you can put linux on it |
| 18:21:25 | midknight2k3 | and ARCHOS has ROCKBOX and GAMES and STUFF and OPTIONS and SOURCE |
| 18:21:26 | Dogger | cos apple arent a bunch of arogant unintelligent frenchmen |
| 18:21:28 | midknight2k3 | and WPS |
| 18:21:29 | midknight2k3 | yes they are |
| 18:21:37 | Dogger | apple are cool |
| 18:21:39 | midknight2k3 | they are the stupidest.. <something>heads ever |
| 18:21:45 | Dogger | old archos has rockbox yeah |
| 18:21:48 | midknight2k3 | eat this, macintosh |
| 18:21:51 | midknight2k3 | old archos? |
| 18:21:56 | Dogger | yeah mp3 players |
| 18:22:00 | midknight2k3 | in a way they make the IPOD seem underpowered |
| 18:22:21 | Dogger | ipod can run linux! |
| 18:22:30 | midknight2k3 | WOW |
| 18:22:35 | midknight2k3 | WE CAN DO WHAT WITH THAT |
| 18:22:38 | midknight2k3 | SOME TEXT JUNK |
| 18:22:39 | midknight2k3 | AWESOME |
| 18:22:41 | Dogger | nice vid |
| 18:22:43 | midknight2k3 | its not realy functional |
| 18:22:46 | midknight2k3 | oh? |
| 18:22:57 | Dogger | ur animation |
| 18:23:12 | midknight2k3 | mine |
| 18:23:13 | midknight2k3 | thx |
| 18:23:38 | Dogger | perhaps we should start a war between france and america, |
| 18:23:46 | Dogger | kill 2 birds with one stone |
| 18:23:56 | midknight2k3 | YEEA WOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 19:02:21 | ^^neo^^ | is defrag usefull for rockbox? |
| 19:02:40 | midknight2k3 | ^^neo^^: not really... |
| 19:02:53 | midknight2k3 | a drive never comes that fragmented when it's just got music on it |
| 19:03:04 | midknight2k3 | although once a year wouldnt do bad I guess.. |
| 19:03:14 | ^^neo^^ | hmm ok |
| 19:03:27 | midknight2k3 | YES! |
| 19:03:28 | ^^neo^^ | just want to know |
| 19:03:29 | midknight2k3 | MY CLOCKY! |
| 19:03:52 | ^^neo^^ | cu & bye |
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| 19:20:06 | midknight2k3 | any devs? |
| 19:20:11 | midknight2k3 | coders> |
| 19:20:15 | midknight2k3 | someones? |
| 19:20:26 | groovingandi | yepp |
| 19:20:47 | midknight2k3 | which category would you be under? |
| 19:21:04 | groovingandi | lol... someone |
| 19:21:28 | midknight2k3 | grr |
| 19:21:29 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 19:21:32 | midknight2k3 | earHertz! |
| 19:21:39 | midknight2k3 | i take it back about not talking to you! |
| 19:21:45 | midknight2k3 | I'M SORRY WA! |
| 19:22:00 | earHertz | whta's up? |
| 19:22:19 | midknight2k3 | coder right |
| 19:22:20 | midknight2k3 | or a bit of one |
| 19:22:28 | earHertz | yeah |
| 19:22:29 | midknight2k3 | cant you just do /nick earHurts |
| 19:22:32 | midknight2k3 | is better! |
| 19:22:46 | earHertz | whatever |
| 19:23:15 | midknight2k3 | ok anyways |
| 19:23:20 | midknight2k3 | i need help |
| 19:23:24 | midknight2k3 | toggle rectangle |
| 19:23:43 | midknight2k3 | i want f3 to toggle it, and so if it is off it will be on and if it is on it will be off (on f3 press) |
| 19:23:45 | midknight2k3 | HELP ME |
| 19:23:48 | midknight2k3 | i use bools right |
| 19:24:00 | midknight2k3 | deoes your fmr run? |
| 19:24:08 | midknight2k3 | i want you to test my plugin after its done |
| 19:24:14 | earHertz | Nope, It's not really running |
| 19:24:20 | midknight2k3 | oh well |
| 19:24:23 | midknight2k3 | ideas for rect problems? |
| 19:24:35 | midknight2k3 | i could use different keys to toggle if you cant help |
| 19:24:36 | earHertz | Ok, so for each pixel in the block, your want to flip the pixel |
| 19:24:47 | midknight2k3 | i just use drawrect |
| 19:25:07 | midknight2k3 | can i just do: if blabla lcd_drawrect etc, else lcd_clear_display and lcd_update? |
| 19:25:18 | midknight2k3 | which will rid of rectangle, clear and update |
| 19:25:23 | earHertz | Um, do you wish to toggle the outline of the redctangle or, the whole thing? |
| 19:25:27 | midknight2k3 | outline |
| 19:25:33 | midknight2k3 | drawrect not fillrect |
| 19:25:37 | * | midknight2k3 is improving |
| 19:25:39 | earHertz | Yeah, ok. |
| 19:25:54 | midknight2k3 | so i just can't figure out what to stick in for if and else |
| 19:26:03 | earHertz | So you want to un-draw the rectangle. |
| 19:26:17 | earHertz | Do the draw functions take the "color" as an arg? |
| 19:26:31 | midknight2k3 | OH WAIT |
| 19:26:33 | midknight2k3 | clear rect |
| 19:26:35 | midknight2k3 | is that work |
| 19:26:39 | earHertz | Are you asking how to recognoze the key press? |
| 19:26:39 | midknight2k3 | i know there is clearline |
| 19:26:42 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 19:26:52 | midknight2k3 | how to use the keypress and turn it on if off or off if on |
| 19:26:54 | earHertz | well, 4 clear lines will clear a rectangle, yes? |
| 19:27:00 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 19:27:03 | midknight2k3 | thats not the problem |
| 19:27:08 | midknight2k3 | the problem is i need if and else |
| 19:27:12 | earHertz | What's the problem? |
| 19:27:25 | earHertz | if f3 pressed then un-draw rect? |
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| 19:27:38 | midknight2k3 | if (its on) then 4x clearline - if (its off) then drawrect (all under f3 button) |
| 19:27:42 | midknight2k3 | multipurpose button |
| 19:27:44 | midknight2k3 | "toggle button" |
| 19:27:46 | earHertz | oh. |
| 19:27:48 | midknight2k3 | heres the code: |
| 19:27:48 | midknight2k3 | case BUTTON_F3: |
| 19:27:48 | midknight2k3 | if |
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| 19:27:48 | midknight2k3 | rb->lcd_drawrect(0, 0, 111, 63); |
| 19:27:48 | midknight2k3 | else |
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| 19:27:49 | midknight2k3 | rb->lcd_clear_display(); |
| 19:27:51 | midknight2k3 | rb->lcd_update(); |
| 19:27:53 | midknight2k3 | break; |
| 19:27:57 | earHertz | Ok, you need to remember the toggle state. |
| 19:27:57 | midknight2k3 | just need to fill "if" and "else" |
| 19:28:03 | midknight2k3 | sure |
| 19:28:05 | midknight2k3 | how? |
| 19:28:10 | earHertz | you need a variable for that |
| 19:28:31 | midknight2k3 | bool recton? |
| 19:28:35 | midknight2k3 | err |
| 19:28:35 | earHertz | yeah |
| 19:28:37 | midknight2k3 | bool rect |
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| 19:28:52 | earHertz | Whatever |
| 19:28:52 | midknight2k3 | bool rect = true? |
| 19:28:58 | midknight2k3 | or wait |
| 19:29:01 | midknight2k3 | that would be a variable |
| 19:29:02 | earHertz | yeah. almost |
| 19:29:05 | midknight2k3 | so just "bool rect"? |
| 19:29:09 | earHertz | either |
| 19:29:15 | earHertz | the question is one of scope |
| 19:29:16 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 19:29:37 | earHertz | How long must that variable ne around? |
| 19:29:48 | midknight2k3 | all the time afaik |
| 19:29:58 | midknight2k3 | at any point f3 is pressed toggle rectangle |
| 19:30:03 | earHertz | Then make it a global variable. |
| 19:30:05 | earHertz | Or better |
| 19:30:12 | midknight2k3 | oh? |
| 19:30:13 | earHertz | make it at file scope |
| 19:30:17 | midknight2k3 | how to? |
| 19:30:19 | earHertz | yeah |
| 19:30:45 | earHertz | a file scope: static bool is_rect_displayed ; |
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| 19:31:01 | earHertz | declare it outside of any function |
| 19:31:01 | midknight2k3 | put this where |
| 19:31:05 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 19:31:05 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 19:31:12 | earHertz | outside of any function in your .c file |
| 19:31:37 | midknight2k3 | move the ";" back one space right |
| 19:31:38 | earHertz | now, at some point you need to initialize the value |
| 19:31:43 | midknight2k3 | it supposed to touch the rect |
| 19:31:56 | earHertz | doesn't matter |
| 19:32:01 | earHertz | I always add the space |
| 19:32:02 | midknight2k3 | k |
| 19:32:04 | midknight2k3 | oh |
| 19:32:06 | earHertz | other people don't |
| 19:32:35 | midknight2k3 | yeah whatever lol |
| 19:32:40 | midknight2k3 | ok how to initialize |
| 19:32:46 | midknight2k3 | havent dealt yet with static bools |
| 19:33:12 | earHertz | well, before the code ever runs, is the rectangle displayed? |
| 19:33:18 | midknight2k3 | no. |
| 19:33:30 | midknight2k3 | f3 will start and stop it, from nothing |
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| 19:34:25 | earHertz | I mean, conceptually. The bool variable can take only two values, an on and a an off |
| 19:34:40 | earHertz | the first time around, is it better to think it's on or off? |
| 19:34:41 | midknight2k3 | sure... |
| 19:34:47 | midknight2k3 | off i guess |
| 19:34:49 | midknight2k3 | off |
| 19:34:50 | earHertz | ok |
| 19:35:09 | earHertz | static bool is_rectangle_displayed = false ; |
| 19:35:27 | midknight2k3 | static bool is_rect_displayed = false; |
| 19:35:30 | midknight2k3 | correct? |
| 19:35:35 | midknight2k3 | rect i use |
| 19:36:17 | midknight2k3 | cor-rect get it |
| 19:36:21 | midknight2k3 | correct, rect, cor-rect |
| 19:36:28 | earHertz | yeah, it's ok |
| 19:36:31 | midknight2k3 | ok so now |
| 19:37:00 | midknight2k3 | i do what |
| 19:37:04 | midknight2k3 | im waiting for you lol |
| 19:37:13 | midknight2k3 | thats it? |
| 19:37:16 | earHertz | now yu have something to test for in your if statement: |
| 19:37:31 | midknight2k3 | if ( is_rect_displayed ) |
| 19:37:33 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 19:37:36 | earHertz | yeah |
| 19:37:50 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 19:37:56 | earHertz | if( ird ) { do this ; } else { do that ; } |
| 19:37:57 | midknight2k3 | case BUTTON_F3: |
| 19:37:57 | midknight2k3 | if ( is_rect_desplayed ) |
| 19:37:57 | midknight2k3 | rb->lcd_drawrect(0, 0, 111, 63); |
| 19:37:57 | midknight2k3 | else |
| 19:37:57 | midknight2k3 | rb->lcd_clear_display(); |
| 19:37:57 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 19:37:57 | midknight2k3 | rb->lcd_update(); |
| 19:37:59 | midknight2k3 | break; |
| 19:38:07 | midknight2k3 | oh i need the { thingys } |
| 19:38:11 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 19:38:12 | midknight2k3 | thx |
| 19:38:15 | midknight2k3 | il try it |
| 19:38:22 | earHertz | Yes, but you're picking uyp bad habits from the more experienced rockbox coders |
| 19:38:31 | midknight2k3 | i am? |
| 19:38:32 | midknight2k3 | uh oh |
| 19:38:36 | midknight2k3 | such as what |
| 19:38:49 | earHertz | allows put the body of your ifs and elses in braces |
| 19:38:49 | midknight2k3 | i dont wanna pick up bad habits |
| 19:38:56 | earHertz | always |
| 19:39:02 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 19:39:08 | midknight2k3 | earhertz is smart |
| 19:39:12 | midknight2k3 | ill go with him :D |
| 19:39:29 | earHertz | 'the experienced coders can get away with it, but you just did something that you didn't want with your code |
| 19:39:30 | midknight2k3 | making |
| 19:39:42 | midknight2k3 | I won't do it anymore i promise |
| 19:40:01 | earHertz | There's something else you need to do |
| 19:40:18 | midknight2k3 | oh? |
| 19:40:29 | earHertz | walk through your code and see if you can find it |
| 19:40:36 | midknight2k3 | or CTRL F |
| 19:40:56 | earHertz | What will happen the NEXT time F3 is pressed? |
| 19:41:29 | midknight2k3 | LOOP! |
| 19:41:31 | midknight2k3 | err |
| 19:41:34 | midknight2k3 | never mind |
| 19:41:35 | midknight2k3 | ill see |
| 19:42:25 | earHertz | You need to update the value of is_rect_displayed |
| 19:42:26 | midknight2k3 | its busted |
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| 19:42:34 | midknight2k3 | it just updates the screen |
| 19:42:35 | midknight2k3 | nice going. |
| 19:46:11 | midknight2k3 | help help |
| 19:46:14 | midknight2k3 | update valuye |
| 19:46:16 | midknight2k3 | what what |
| 19:46:59 | earHertz | when you re-write the rectangel, or clear it, you need to update the boolean vairable |
| 19:47:12 | earHertz | to reflect the change |
| 19:47:31 | midknight2k3 | how how how |
| 19:47:32 | earHertz | otherwise the variable is always whatever you initialized it to. |
| 19:47:37 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 19:47:40 | midknight2k3 | smart earHurts |
| 19:47:47 | earHertz | is_rectangle_displayed = new_value ; |
| 19:47:58 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 19:48:01 | midknight2k3 | wha wha wha |
| 19:48:08 | midknight2k3 | where |
| 19:48:27 | earHertz | Well, you can be cautuious and do it in both branches of the if. |
| 19:48:39 | midknight2k3 | wont take but another .1 kb |
| 19:48:48 | earHertz | but it's slicker and more clear if you just flip the value each time through |
| 19:48:56 | earHertz | so: |
| 19:49:07 | midknight2k3 | oh? |
| 19:49:08 | earHertz | just before the break, flip it: |
| 19:49:30 | earHertz | is_rectangle_displayed = ! is_rectangle_displayed ; |
| 19:49:31 | midknight2k3 | asdf how |
| 19:49:57 | earHertz | just like that. |
| 19:50:13 | earHertz | it says, "set the value to the logical negation of the current value" |
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| 19:54:05 | midknight2k3 | BtT is back |
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| 19:55:25 | [GoE]BENtheTEN | :) |
| 19:55:46 | midknight2k3 | been "OFF" for about 220 hours |
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| 19:57:22 | [GoE]BENtheTEN | hehe well .. I was here once .. but not connected to the bouncer |
| 19:58:05 | midknight2k3 | vot evere |
| 19:58:53 | [GoE]BENtheTEN | :) k |
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| 20:15:25 | midknight2k3 | great |
| 20:15:28 | midknight2k3 | here we go again |
| 20:15:33 | midknight2k3 | why dont you put |
| 20:15:45 | midknight2k3 | [OFF]forever |
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| 20:27:46 | midknight2k3 | adsf |
| 20:28:02 | track | CMOS vs CCD |
| 20:28:32 | midknight2k3 | STUPID vs DUMB |
| 20:28:48 | track | midknight2k3 vs mikeholden |
| 20:30:38 | track | lol |
| 20:30:52 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 20:30:55 | midknight2k3 | very similar |
| 20:31:45 | track | well both begin with mi |
| 20:34:29 | midknight2k3 | both are in the credits |
| 20:34:33 | midknight2k3 | both are smart |
| 20:34:39 | midknight2k3 | i think we are twins :D |
| 20:45:17 | track | ok |
| 20:45:46 | track | smart enough to file lcd degauss, polyphonic ringtones and digital out on USB |
| 20:46:46 | track | hahaha |
| 20:46:47 | track | :P |
| 20:47:01 | midknight2k3 | YOUR IDEA |
| 20:47:05 | midknight2k3 | i even showed him. |
| 20:47:07 | track | nope |
| 20:47:25 | midknight2k3 | yep. |
| 20:47:31 | | Part groovingandi |
| 20:48:03 | track | nope |
| 20:48:20 | midknight2k3 | yep. |
| 20:48:28 | track | nope |
| 20:48:38 | midknight2k3 | wanna see |
| 20:48:41 | track | ever since ive known rockbox i have filed not one bad reqest |
| 20:48:54 | midknight2k3 | 15:51:43 | <track> yea file it |
| 20:48:54 | midknight2k3 | 15:52:12 | <track> type something like "Have Screen adjustments like on a CRT monitor, such as degauss, pincusion, barrel, trapezoid, rotation, colour balance |
| 20:49:01 | midknight2k3 | 15:52:45 | <track> just file what I typed abouve |
| 20:49:06 | midknight2k3 | mmh mm |
| 20:49:08 | midknight2k3 | so. |
| 20:49:10 | midknight2k3 | yep. |
| 20:49:14 | track | yea but u went ahead and done it |
| 20:49:18 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 20:49:20 | midknight2k3 | but you told me to |
| 20:49:25 | track | if i told u to jump off a cliff would u do it? |
| 20:49:31 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 20:49:37 | midknight2k3 | not the same thing |
| 20:49:47 | midknight2k3 | clicking file and jumping to your death are different |
| 20:50:12 | track | yea but it was so bad u rejected it urself |
| 20:50:12 | track | ! |
| 20:50:24 | midknight2k3 | i know |
| 20:50:27 | midknight2k3 | not as bad as DYING |
| 20:50:46 | track | go and write your polyphonic MP3 converter |
| 20:50:47 | track | :P |
| 20:51:13 | midknight2k3 | ASDF |
| 20:52:19 | track | midknight I did a perfect tune to advertise rockbox |
| 20:52:20 | track | lol |
| 20:52:46 | midknight2k3 | sdd |
| 20:52:48 | midknight2k3 | ads |
| 20:54:10 | track | midknight2k3@hotmail.com? |
| 20:54:56 | midknight2k3 | midknight2k@hotmail.com |
| 20:55:01 | track | ok |
| 20:55:06 | track | ive made a tune to ad rockbox |
| 20:55:14 | midknight2k3 | ok |
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| 20:56:12 | track | sent |
| 20:56:22 | track | its called "breakbeat" |
| 20:56:30 | midknight2k3 | aFasd |
| 20:57:09 | midknight2k3 | diamondiceman@aol.com? |
| 20:57:41 | midknight2k3 | uh |
| 20:57:44 | midknight2k3 | you recorded it? |
| 20:57:44 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 20:57:52 | track | yes |
| 20:57:57 | track | i have drummachine software |
| 20:58:00 | midknight2k3 | k ay then... |
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| 21:00:20 | midknight2k3 | doesnt work |
| 21:00:46 | track | its just an mp3 file |
| 21:00:46 | track | :( |
| 21:00:55 | midknight2k3 | asdf |
| 21:00:57 | midknight2k3 | dcc it |
| 21:02:14 | track | m |
| 21:02:14 | track | i |
| 21:02:16 | track | k |
| 21:02:16 | track | e |
| 21:02:17 | track | h |
| 21:02:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK track |
| 21:02:17 | track | o |
| 21:02:18 | track | l |
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| 21:02:19 | track | d |
| 21:02:20 | midknight2k3 | qwer |
| 21:02:20 | midknight2k3 | fad |
| 21:02:21 | track | e |
| 21:02:22 | midknight2k3 | d |
| 21:02:22 | midknight2k3 | f |
| 21:02:23 | track | n |
| 21:02:24 | midknight2k3 | jh |
| 21:02:25 | track | ! |
| 21:02:33 | midknight2k3 | t |
| 21:02:33 | midknight2k3 | ra |
| 21:02:34 | midknight2k3 | c |
| 21:02:36 | midknight2k3 | err |
| 21:02:37 | midknight2k3 | t |
| 21:02:38 | midknight2k3 | r |
| 21:02:38 | midknight2k3 | a |
| 21:02:38 | midknight2k3 | c |
| 21:02:40 | midknight2k3 | k |
| 21:02:42 | midknight2k3 | y |
| 21:02:45 | midknight2k3 | ! |
| 21:03:51 | midknight2k3 | dogger hates me |
| 21:03:52 | midknight2k3 | adsf |
| 21:03:56 | track | lol |
| 21:04:04 | Dogger | lol |
| 21:04:07 | Dogger | not true! |
| 21:04:16 | midknight2k3 | you wont tell me what youre doing |
| 21:04:17 | track | mikeholden hates me |
| 21:04:25 | midknight2k3 | mikeholden is cool |
| 21:04:30 | midknight2k3 | but mikeh0lden is cooler |
| 21:04:37 | midknight2k3 | i wish mikeh0lden was track |
| 21:04:48 | track | i wish u were bagder |
| 21:05:24 | midknight2k3 | why |
| 21:06:28 | track | dunno |
| 21:06:38 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 21:06:46 | midknight2k3 | DFAASDFASDFSDF |
| 21:06:47 | midknight2k3 | gjjkfkjadnlk |
| 21:06:49 | midknight2k3 | joit8934t 34t3tiohpeiorg aigiuoa nsdf; gsh;dw |
| 21:06:52 | midknight2k3 | t |
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| 21:06:52 | midknight2k3 | a |
| 21:06:52 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 21:06:52 | midknight2k3 | c |
| 21:06:53 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 21:06:53 | midknight2k3 | k |
| 21:06:53 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 21:06:53 | midknight2k3 | y |
| 21:06:55 | midknight2k3 | ! |
| 21:14:19 | midknight2k3 | ij |
| 21:16:54 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 21:21:03 | midknight2k3 | tracky |
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| 21:25:30 | midknight2k3 | hey |
| 21:28:58 | track | what |
| 21:29:07 | midknight2k3 | just hey |
| 21:29:13 | track | :) |
| 21:29:23 | midknight2k3 | SDd |
| 21:30:55 | track | u and ur b loody sdd |
| 21:31:06 | midknight2k3 | you and your "pissypoxypissy" |
| 21:31:20 | track | anyway back to rockbox issues |
| 21:31:27 | track | the bass booster has a slight bug |
| 21:31:31 | midknight2k3 | i know that |
| 21:31:32 | midknight2k3 | we all do |
| 21:31:48 | track | u know what bug im referring to? |
| 21:32:01 | midknight2k3 | the pop when on and off |
| 21:32:07 | midknight2k3 | and the pause fade one |
| 21:32:10 | midknight2k3 | either or |
| 21:32:11 | track | no, the distortion when its reset to 0 |
| 21:32:15 | track | the bass boooster |
| 21:32:16 | midknight2k3 | thats it |
| 21:32:25 | midknight2k3 | the pop when on / off = pop when off |
| 21:32:27 | midknight2k3 | you get the idea |
| 21:32:46 | track | I could get round to writing the manual if i was to contribute something |
| 21:33:09 | midknight2k3 | its already written. |
| 21:33:19 | track | yea but its horrificaly out of date |
| 21:33:23 | midknight2k3 | nope |
| 21:33:24 | midknight2k3 | just updated |
| 21:33:31 | midknight2k3 | someone already volunteered |
| 21:33:32 | midknight2k3 | sadly |
| 21:33:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:33:44 | track | ok i want an italic version of Atadore |
| 21:33:52 | midknight2k3 | and plus youd write for example "The snow plugin is very pissypoxypissy" |
| 21:33:54 | earHertz | Hey, midk |
| 21:33:57 | midknight2k3 | earh |
| 21:33:59 | midknight2k3 | earhelp |
| 21:34:00 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 21:34:12 | earHertz | you didn't know any C four months ago, did you? |
| 21:34:20 | midknight2k3 | nope! |
| 21:34:25 | midknight2k3 | actually :D |
| 21:34:29 | earHertz | who helped you? |
| 21:34:36 | midknight2k3 | myself |
| 21:34:47 | earHertz | good work |
| 21:35:00 | midknight2k3 | thanks |
| 21:35:07 | midknight2k3 | i'm improving |
| 21:35:30 | earHertz | yeah. |
| 21:35:37 | earHertz | how old are you? |
| 21:35:44 | midknight2k3 | 1 |
| 21:35:47 | midknight2k3 | 13* |
| 21:35:56 | earHertz | eh. good |
| 21:36:11 | midknight2k3 | help |
| 21:36:12 | midknight2k3 | help |
| 21:36:22 | midknight2k3 | let me remember the issue |
| 21:36:26 | midknight2k3 | i'll get back to you |
| 21:36:50 | midknight2k3 | ah nm |
| 21:36:50 | midknight2k3 | fixed |
| 21:37:25 | midknight2k3 | well |
| 21:37:28 | midknight2k3 | i think its done |
| 21:37:29 | midknight2k3 | yay |
| 21:37:36 | midknight2k3 | i can say for positive it will be released today |
| 21:37:40 | midknight2k3 | i think there is one issue |
| 21:37:50 | midknight2k3 | but probably gone |
| 21:38:54 | midknight2k3 | any requests for features |
| 21:38:57 | midknight2k3 | for the clock? |
| 21:39:04 | earHertz | midk, what was your fmr patch? |
| 21:39:04 | midknight2k3 | i feel i want another |
| 21:39:14 | midknight2k3 | a few changes to radio screen |
| 21:39:27 | earHertz | like? |
| 21:39:31 | midknight2k3 | are requests for clock features before its too late? |
| 21:39:41 | earHertz | put a date on it |
| 21:40:02 | midknight2k3 | uhm.. i added a peak meter and got rid of some useless junk and changed text around a bit |
| 21:40:04 | midknight2k3 | OH YEAH |
| 21:40:12 | midknight2k3 | help me |
| 21:40:25 | midknight2k3 | zagor said i need to use a string to put on the digital readout etc |
| 21:40:31 | midknight2k3 | thats all he said |
| 21:40:31 | earHertz | You'll have to look at the date code |
| 21:40:35 | midknight2k3 | nono |
| 21:40:37 | midknight2k3 | to display it |
| 21:40:51 | midknight2k3 | i can get the date, but i think he said its an integer |
| 21:40:55 | earHertz | yyeah, the date setting code also displays it |
| 21:40:59 | midknight2k3 | so i need to use a string to display it |
| 21:41:06 | midknight2k3 | where at |
| 21:41:10 | midknight2k3 | date setting code? |
| 21:41:12 | earHertz | the date setting code alredy does that |
| 21:41:16 | midknight2k3 | in the menu? |
| 21:41:20 | earHertz | yep |
| 21:41:21 | midknight2k3 | that just sets not shows... |
| 21:41:29 | earHertz | of course it shows |
| 21:41:33 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 21:41:34 | midknight2k3 | it doesnt |
| 21:41:35 | midknight2k3 | try it |
| 21:41:38 | midknight2k3 | well you cant |
| 21:41:40 | midknight2k3 | but still |
| 21:41:44 | earHertz | how do you think people use it to set if it doesn't show? |
| 21:41:52 | midknight2k3 | it shows .. grrg |
| 21:41:54 | midknight2k3 | never mind |
| 21:42:00 | midknight2k3 | ill look. |
| 21:42:11 | midknight2k3 | its a different kind of show |
| 21:42:13 | earHertz | there's a bunch of code that converts the int to a stirng |
| 21:42:23 | earHertz | by table lookup and so forth |
| 21:42:37 | midknight2k3 | ok |
| 21:42:56 | earHertz | then, I want you to add timezone offsets |
| 21:43:08 | earHertz | that's simple |
| 21:43:17 | midknight2k3 | what now |
| 21:43:21 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 21:43:28 | earHertz | pressing RIGTHT will show the displayed time as one hour before |
| 21:43:28 | midknight2k3 | what are you talking about |
| 21:43:38 | earHertz | pressing LEFT one hour after |
| 21:43:43 | midknight2k3 | sure |
| 21:43:45 | midknight2k3 | good idea |
| 21:43:46 | midknight2k3 | BUT WAIT |
| 21:43:51 | midknight2k3 | the time date uses rtc |
| 21:43:55 | midknight2k3 | we need to use time.h |
| 21:44:00 | earHertz | and then you'll always display either "Home Time XZone" |
| 21:44:05 | midknight2k3 | OH |
| 21:44:10 | midknight2k3 | calendar plugin |
| 21:44:10 | earHertz | or Home +N |
| 21:44:16 | midknight2k3 | no no i got an idea |
| 21:44:18 | earHertz | sure |
| 21:44:30 | midknight2k3 | well do that later |
| 21:44:41 | midknight2k3 | first to show time and date digitally |
| 21:44:52 | earHertz | ok |
| 21:45:04 | midknight2k3 | you got some good ideas |
| 21:45:12 | earHertz | just use a big font? |
| 21:45:29 | midknight2k3 | what? |
| 21:45:31 | midknight2k3 | no.. |
| 21:45:38 | earHertz | for the digital display |
| 21:45:42 | midknight2k3 | as in like sysfixed in the corne |
| 21:45:46 | midknight2k3 | we could do seperate modes |
| 21:45:49 | midknight2k3 | but that would be hard |
| 21:46:00 | earHertz | quite hard |
| 21:46:05 | midknight2k3 | then lets not. |
| 21:46:06 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 21:46:13 | midknight2k3 | hang on finding the time date stuff |
| 21:46:57 | | Quit track ("Leaving") |
| 21:47:10 | | Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 21:47:17 | midknight2k3 | int tm_sec; /* seconds */ |
| 21:47:17 | midknight2k3 | int tm_min; /* minutes */ |
| 21:47:17 | midknight2k3 | int tm_hour; /* hours */ |
| 21:47:17 | midknight2k3 | int tm_mday; /* day of the month */ |
| 21:47:17 | midknight2k3 | int tm_mon; /* month */ |
| 21:47:18 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 21:47:18 | midknight2k3 | int tm_year; /* year since 1900 */ |
| 21:47:20 | midknight2k3 | int tm_wday; /* day of the week */ |
| 21:47:22 | midknight2k3 | int tm_yday; /* day in the year */ |
| 21:47:24 | midknight2k3 | int tm_isdst; /* daylight saving time */ |
| 21:47:26 | midknight2k3 | BINGO |
| 21:47:33 | midknight2k3 | ok ok |
| 21:47:36 | midknight2k3 | so |
| 21:47:55 | scott666 | why is isdst an int? |
| 21:48:05 | midknight2k3 | isdst? |
| 21:48:11 | midknight2k3 | oh |
| 21:48:13 | midknight2k3 | no idea |
| 21:48:22 | scott666 | shouldn't it be a bool? |
| 21:48:27 | earHertz | because that's the tm_rec struct |
| 21:48:33 | earHertz | no, it's the offset |
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| 21:48:41 | scott666 | oooh, i see |
| 21:48:49 | earHertz | er. |
| 21:48:53 | earHertz | maybe it is a bool |
| 21:49:04 | scott666 | that would make more sense |
| 21:49:06 | earHertz | but the structure pre-dates the use of bool as a standard primitive |
| 21:49:09 | midknight2k3 | its not |
| 21:49:18 | AciD | k |
| 21:49:30 | scott666 | if (tm_isdst) {tm_hour++} |
| 21:50:09 | earHertz | remember, bool was only standardired with C99 (or C++ 98) |
| 21:50:37 | AciD | hey midknight2k3 |
| 21:50:39 | earHertz | struct tm_rec I'm sure goes back to the 1970s |
| 21:50:42 | AciD | just in case you wanna know |
| 21:50:43 | AciD | int tm_isdst; /* +1 Daylight Savings Time, 0 No DST, |
| 21:50:43 | AciD | // * -1 don't know */ |
| 21:50:45 | midknight2k3 | hey acid |
| 21:50:56 | midknight2k3 | tell that to them |
| 21:50:58 | midknight2k3 | hey idc |
| 21:51:00 | earHertz | and AciD has a good point |
| 21:51:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi midknight2k3 |
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| 21:51:59 | scott666 | yeah, i suppose you could just add the two no matter what |
| 21:52:13 | elite|frankie | hey, anyone know if RockBox works for Jukebox Multimedia?? |
| 21:52:30 | earHertz | it does not, elite|frankie |
| 21:52:36 | [IDC]Dragon | ask Dogger :( |
| 21:52:39 | elite|frankie | :( |
| 21:52:45 | elite|frankie | Will it in the future? |
| 21:52:48 | earHertz | no |
| 21:52:53 | midknight2k3 | AVos will |
| 21:52:55 | elite|frankie | I hate the software that it comes with |
| 21:52:56 | midknight2k3 | avOS is it |
| 21:52:59 | scott666 | dogger worked on the AV, not the MM |
| 21:53:03 | elite|frankie | hmm |
| 21:53:04 | midknight2k3 | MM too |
| 21:53:07 | midknight2k3 | or he will |
| 21:53:08 | elite|frankie | it doesn't now though |
| 21:53:14 | midknight2k3 | it wont |
| 21:53:15 | scott666 | the MM was the same body as the FMR |
| 21:53:16 | midknight2k3 | AVos will |
| 21:53:21 | midknight2k3 | I KNOW |
| 21:53:27 | scott666 | ok ok |
| 21:53:28 | elite|frankie | So AVos does it now? |
| 21:54:34 | elite|frankie | hey, I did google search for AVos and your name came up on a IRC chat log midknight2k3 |
| 21:54:34 | elite|frankie | lol |
| 21:54:40 | midknight2k3 | lol! |
| 21:54:45 | elite|frankie | http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20031022.txt |
| 21:54:46 | elite|frankie | There |
| 21:54:47 | scott666 | is it todays? |
| 21:54:51 | midknight2k3 | http://avos.sourceforge.net |
| 21:54:54 | midknight2k3 | 10/22/03 |
| 21:54:56 | scott666 | he said avos about 20 times in 5 monites |
| 21:54:56 | elite|frankie | yeah |
| 21:55:01 | elite|frankie | yeah |
| 21:55:08 | elite|frankie | where I go to look at AVos? |
| 21:55:10 | scott666 | *minutes |
| 21:55:17 | earHertz | anyone know if the month names are i18n'd? |
| 21:55:59 | midknight2k3 | i18ns? |
| 21:56:17 | earHertz | Internationalized |
| 21:56:32 | cjnr11 | you need to wait for AVOS |
| 21:56:46 | elite|frankie | is it not out yet? |
| 21:57:06 | cjnr11 | nothing works yet |
| 21:57:12 | elite|frankie | oh |
| 21:57:13 | elite|frankie | ok |
| 21:57:19 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 21:57:20 | cjnr11 | but it will |
| 21:57:55 | elite|frankie | Another quick off the topic question, do you know if the HD in a Jukebox is a standard Notebook sized hard drive?? |
| 21:58:04 | midknight2k3 | yes. |
| 21:58:06 | elinenbe | elite|frankie: yes it is. |
| 21:58:08 | elite|frankie | hmm, cool |
| 21:58:14 | elite|frankie | I need to make mine bigger then |
| 21:58:21 | elite|frankie | I hate only having 20gb |
| 21:58:27 | elite|frankie | Espically with video support |
| 21:58:30 | earHertz | yeeah, I put a 60 in mine |
| 21:58:36 | midknight2k3 | 79u |
| 21:58:36 | elite|frankie | coo |
| 21:58:41 | midknight2k3 | use 120GB :D |
| 21:58:53 | elite|frankie | Yeah, bet that would cost $300 or so US |
| 21:58:59 | earHertz | in a laptop form factor? |
| 21:59:22 | midknight2k3 | elite|frankie: be prepared to spend some $ |
| 21:59:29 | elinenbe | the largest laptop sized hard drive is 80gb |
| 21:59:29 | midknight2k3 | laptop drives are a lot more than desktop ones |
| 21:59:32 | midknight2k3 | i know |
| 21:59:56 | elite|frankie | yeah |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:09 | elite|frankie | but 80gb normal hd is only like $100 |
| 22:00:10 | earHertz | yeah, when I calculated how quickly I'd fill it, I concluded it would be cheaper to wait for the price to come down. |
| 22:00:16 | elinenbe | an 80gb laptop drive can be had for less than $200 |
| 22:00:25 | elinenbe | that will work in the archos. |
| 22:00:31 | earHertz | the laptop 60 was $170 in march |
| 22:00:46 | midknight2k3 | uh |
| 22:00:52 | midknight2k3 | i got my 120gb hard drive for $70 |
| 22:00:54 | elite|frankie | hmm |
| 22:00:58 | elite|frankie | cool |
| 22:01:00 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 22:01:01 | elite|frankie | that is great price |
| 22:01:19 | elite|frankie | get two of those and RAID them and you are in business |
| 22:02:27 | scott666 | i wish i had money to buy a new HD |
| 22:02:45 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:02:46 | scott666 | i only have 10 of my 120 gb free |
| 22:02:48 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 22:02:49 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:02:50 | midknight2k3 | lol! |
| 22:02:52 | elite|frankie | yeah, me too, I just bought a Clie UX50 |
| 22:02:53 | midknight2k3 | i have like 50 |
| 22:02:57 | elite|frankie | and I spent way too much |
| 22:03:01 | scott666 | and i got this computer like 3 months ago |
| 22:03:03 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:03:10 | midknight2k3 | o the one with the bugs? |
| 22:03:16 | scott666 | yeah |
| 22:03:18 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:03:19 | scott666 | theyre gone now |
| 22:03:22 | scott666 | :-( |
| 22:03:26 | midknight2k3 | aww |
| 22:03:37 | scott666 | but i still have the picture |
| 22:03:57 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:04:03 | midknight2k3 | its like covreed with bugs |
| 22:04:08 | midknight2k3 | why did you get rid of them |
| 22:04:46 | scott666 | i moved the computer and they moved to an unknown location |
| 22:04:51 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:05:02 | scott666 | theyre probably like melted into the motherboard now |
| 22:05:15 | midknight2k3 | eew |
| 22:05:17 | midknight2k3 | sshh |
| 22:05:18 | elite|frankie | cheapest 80 gb is $190 |
| 22:05:19 | midknight2k3 | thats sick |
| 22:05:20 | elite|frankie | not too bad |
| 22:05:25 | midknight2k3 | get it get it |
| 22:05:31 | | Nick scott666 is now known as scott|brb (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 22:05:37 | midknight2k3 | LOL |
| 22:05:39 | elite|frankie | $60gb for $158 |
| 22:05:50 | midknight2k3 | psh |
| 22:05:52 | midknight2k3 | get 80gb |
| 22:05:53 | midknight2k3 | LOL |
| 22:05:57 | midknight2k3 | $60 gb |
| 22:05:58 | elite|frankie | yeah |
| 22:05:59 | midknight2k3 | nice |
| 22:06:07 | midknight2k3 | i have a $120GB drive! |
| 22:07:06 | elite|frankie | there is no 120gb notebook drive listed |
| 22:07:12 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 22:07:14 | midknight2k3 | desktop |
| 22:07:16 | elite|frankie | oh |
| 22:07:20 | elite|frankie | that is only 79 |
| 22:07:23 | elite|frankie | for 120gb |
| 22:09:30 | earHertz | How's rockbox set aside space for statics in .rocks? |
| 22:09:51 | | Nick scott|brb is now known as scott666 (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 22:14:10 | | Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting") |
| 22:14:48 | | Quit adi|home (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 22:20:19 | earHertz | are rockbox ints 16 or 32 bits? |
| 22:22:26 | | Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) |
| 22:23:23 | midknight2k3 | hardeep |
| 22:23:42 | hardeep | midknight2k3 |
| 22:23:51 | midknight2k3 | sorry sir. |
| 22:25:51 | | Join DJBaz [0] (~baz@modem-1061.guenon.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 22:25:53 | earHertz | hardeep, rockbox ints are 16 or 32 bits? |
| 22:27:34 | hardeep | 32 bits |
| 22:27:42 | hardeep | shorts are 16 |
| 22:29:00 | earHertz | thanks |
| 22:29:39 | earHertz | How do we set aside space for file-scope variables in .rocks? |
| 22:36:28 | [IDC]Dragon | earHertz: you just define a global |
| 22:36:48 | earHertz | Yeah, I was wondering how we dealt with it on load |
| 22:37:06 | [IDC]Dragon | it's taken care of |
| 22:37:13 | earHertz | do any of the lcd_display functions do printf-like formatting other than splash? |
| 22:37:32 | [IDC]Dragon | use the source, Luke |
| 22:37:47 | [IDC]Dragon | (learned that from Linus) |
| 22:38:04 | earHertz | yeah, yeah. ;) |
| 22:38:05 | midknight2k3 | oh yeah |
| 22:38:09 | midknight2k3 | and so did earhertz |
| 22:38:15 | midknight2k3 | linus said that to me |
| 22:38:30 | midknight2k3 | i asked him about clearrect and he said use the source, luke |
| 22:38:56 | earHertz | yes, well, sometimes it's helpful just to be helpful |
| 22:39:04 | midknight2k3 | yessir |
| 22:39:34 | | Join thedude02 [0] (dudes@pm483-33.dialip.mich.net) |
| 22:40:02 | thedude02 | hello. |
| 22:40:38 | elinenbe | earHertz: what are you working on? |
| 22:41:05 | earHertz | I'm helping midknight2k3 learn about the sprintf family of functions |
| 22:41:14 | earHertz | and about buffers and format strings |
| 22:41:17 | midknight2k3 | who said my name |
| 22:41:19 | elinenbe | ah... |
| 22:41:21 | midknight2k3 | ;p; |
| 22:41:22 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:41:32 | | Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new age") |
| 22:41:47 | | Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50c61de4.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 22:42:07 | earHertz | Apparently no lcd functions do sprintf'ing (but my copy of the source is about 4 mnonths old) |
| 22:43:30 | [IDC]Dragon | earHertz: do a snprinf() into a buffer before outputting that. This is veryy common practice in the code. |
| 22:44:01 | earHertz | Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to teach midknight2k3 |
| 22:44:54 | earHertz | Yeah, I recall that common-ness was why splash got it's own formatting |
| 22:47:07 | | Join Zagor [0] (bjst@1-1-3-36a.sk.sth.bostream.se) |
| 22:47:48 | midknight2k3 | zagor! |
| 22:47:57 | thedude02 | hi. |
| 22:52:45 | | Quit DJBaz ("Leaving") |
| 22:52:58 | thedude02 | er |
| 22:53:05 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 34 minutes at the last flood |
| 22:53:05 | * | [IDC]Dragon takes part in "Hi Zagor!" |
| 22:53:13 | Zagor | hi all |
| 22:53:48 | * | thedude02 wishes that people greeted him like that |
| 22:54:01 | midknight2k3 | try not to be so annoying :D |
| 22:54:16 | earHertz | reverse engineer an mp3 player, and write far better code than came with it, and people will |
| 22:54:17 | * | thedude02 doesn't get it |
| 22:54:24 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:54:26 | midknight2k3 | that too |
| 22:54:39 | * | thedude02 understands now |
| 22:54:43 | thedude02 | but still |
| 22:54:56 | thedude02 | why should I have to do that? |
| 22:55:05 | midknight2k3 | because thats what HE did |
| 22:55:22 | thedude02 | I have to learn C or some other such language to do anything useful with anything |
| 22:55:29 | thedude02 | and I also have to get an mp3 player |
| 22:55:38 | midknight2k3 | either do that or dont be as respected |
| 22:55:49 | midknight2k3 | life sucks, no? |
| 22:55:53 | earHertz | midknight2k3: is learning C |
| 22:56:06 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 22:56:12 | midknight2k3 | drop that colon |
| 22:56:12 | thedude02 | I could write a PPC OS that is a lot better than Micro$hit's Windows Mobile |
| 22:56:18 | midknight2k3 | then you'll be in business |
| 22:56:25 | midknight2k3 | LOL |
| 22:56:28 | midknight2k3 | good luck |
| 22:56:33 | earHertz | how do .rocks access sprintf? |
| 22:56:33 | * | thedude02 likes the purple color in which this text is printed |
| 22:56:45 | thedude02 | it stands out |
| 22:56:55 | midknight2k3 | Zagor, are you holding a grudge? :) |
| 22:57:24 | thedude02 | but that doesn't change the fatc that I'd have to learn a useful language |
| 22:57:37 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 22:57:40 | thedude02 | and invest in a compiler and executer |
| 22:57:48 | Zagor | no. i'm just prepared to do what is necessary if you guys start spewing crap on the project again. |
| 22:57:54 | earHertz | you could become a manager. In my experience, their language is often limited to grunting |
| 22:58:00 | midknight2k3 | i apologize |
| 22:58:07 | midknight2k3 | lol! |
| 22:58:34 | earHertz | Zagor: what it is you're prepared to do, anyway? |
| 22:58:43 | midknight2k3 | zagor: how about you make me a project admin so i can reject my own stupid requests? :D |
| 22:58:56 | thedude02 | lol |
| 22:58:57 | midknight2k3 | probably a lifetime ban of #rockbox and stuff |
| 22:59:02 | midknight2k3 | and tracks too |
| 22:59:02 | Zagor | how about you stop wasting all our time? |
| 22:59:09 | midknight2k3 | lighten up |
| 22:59:18 | midknight2k3 | i said I'd |
| 22:59:24 | | Quit cjnr11 () |
| 22:59:29 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: seen my latest stuff? |
| 22:59:32 | thedude02 | how would he give you a lifetime ban from the channel? |
| 22:59:35 | earHertz | He's actually been working on a .rock |
| 22:59:42 | Zagor | dragon: not yet, just got home |
| 22:59:45 | midknight2k3 | how about /mode +b blaba? |
| 22:59:52 | thedude02 | and er |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:13 | thedude02 | PMd mid |
| 23:00:29 | earHertz | Can anyone point me to .rock api documentation? |
| 23:00:48 | | Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@c25025a.hud.bostream.se) |
| 23:01:00 | midknight2k3 | bagder! |
| 23:01:04 | Bagder | evening |
| 23:01:07 | Zagor | yo bro |
| 23:01:09 | thedude02 | hello |
| 23:01:11 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 23:01:33 | Bagder | I attacked those warnings |
| 23:01:48 | Zagor | yeah, i saw. good job. |
| 23:03:03 | Bagder | and I mailed the mikeh0lden person |
| 23:03:24 | midknight2k3 | thats track! |
| 23:03:24 | midknight2k3 | LOL |
| 23:03:28 | midknight2k3 | haha |
| 23:03:30 | midknight2k3 | is he busted? |
| 23:03:39 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:03:39 | thedude02 | er |
| 23:03:47 | midknight2k3 | for impersonation? |
| 23:03:54 | Bagder | hes |
| 23:03:56 | midknight2k3 | what did you say |
| 23:03:58 | midknight2k3 | did you ban him |
| 23:03:59 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 23:03:59 | Bagder | ruining our project |
| 23:04:04 | midknight2k3 | ruining? |
| 23:04:08 | midknight2k3 | he hates mikeholden |
| 23:04:13 | midknight2k3 | he wont stop talking about him |
| 23:04:24 | | Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") |
| 23:04:54 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: what is this about? |
| 23:05:00 | thedude02 | i HOPE HE COMES BACK |
| 23:05:03 | midknight2k3 | fake mikeholden |
| 23:05:04 | midknight2k3 | track |
| 23:05:04 | thedude02 | track was cool |
| 23:05:25 | Bagder | [IDC]Dragon: track impersonating mike holden in the bug tracker |
| 23:05:43 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 23:05:45 | Bagder | by registring a very similar user name and his real name |
| 23:05:50 | midknight2k3 | he was called mikeh0lden |
| 23:05:59 | [IDC]Dragon | yeah, those kids are misbehaving |
| 23:06:19 | thedude02 | Shut up! :) |
| 23:06:20 | midknight2k3 | that misbehaving part was uncalled for! :D |
| 23:06:31 | Bagder | it upsets me |
| 23:06:39 | midknight2k3 | it would me too |
| 23:06:48 | thedude02 | what upsets you |
| 23:06:57 | midknight2k3 | thedude02: uh |
| 23:06:59 | Bagder | his behavior |
| 23:07:00 | midknight2k3 | what do you think |
| 23:07:06 | thedude02 | oh |
| 23:07:08 | midknight2k3 | no, his. uh.. name |
| 23:07:13 | midknight2k3 | err i mean his.. tone of voice |
| 23:07:23 | thedude02 | er |
| 23:07:28 | thedude02 | confused |
| 23:07:54 | earHertz | [IDC]Dragon: Are the ucl instructions at http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/flash.html up-to-date? |
| 23:08:02 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 23:08:18 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, but could be simplified. |
| 23:08:41 | midknight2k3 | zagor: can you help me with that string function? |
| 23:09:48 | midknight2k3 | ..okay, or maybe bagder... |
| 23:09:52 | midknight2k3 | ..? |
| 23:10:07 | thedude02 | or anybody else who knows about it |
| 23:10:24 | earHertz | and F1 starts the oem firmware, which (if present)m loads ajbrec.ajz? |
| 23:10:28 | Zagor | just ask the question and anyone can answer |
| 23:10:35 | midknight2k3 | you mentioned it before. |
| 23:10:42 | midknight2k3 | yes earHertz |
| 23:11:19 | earHertz | and you can't stop the oem firmware from loading the disk .ajz. |
| 23:11:33 | earHertz | good. |
| 23:12:00 | midknight2k3 | why |
| 23:12:21 | earHertz | I need to do a build that can'r record under any circumstances |
| 23:12:28 | midknight2k3 | why? |
| 23:12:31 | midknight2k3 | whywhywhy |
| 23:12:46 | earHertz | Federal courts don't allow recording devices in |
| 23:12:58 | midknight2k3 | psh |
| 23:12:59 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 23:13:01 | Zagor | earHertz: as i said, just remove the recording entry from the menu |
| 23:13:10 | midknight2k3 | that works, yes. |
| 23:13:40 | earHertz | There's the posibility of rolo'ing a cersion that does record |
| 23:13:53 | earHertz | I'd need to remove that too. |
| 23:13:57 | midknight2k3 | oh boy |
| 23:14:10 | midknight2k3 | they mess with it for many hours, to make sure it cant record? |
| 23:14:12 | earHertz | I was just wiondering about the backup firmware copy |
| 23:14:22 | earHertz | No, they don't mess with it. |
| 23:14:26 | midknight2k3 | then why bother? |
| 23:14:40 | thedude02 | seriously. |
| 23:14:45 | earHertz | but they might ask you to affirm under penalty of perjury. |
| 23:14:56 | Zagor | earHertz: then remove the ajz loading from tree.c |
| 23:15:00 | earHertz | I know too many lawyers. ;) |
| 23:15:06 | thedude02 | er |
| 23:15:17 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 23:15:19 | thedude02 | so future rockbox versions will not have a recorder? |
| 23:15:24 | earHertz | Yes, that sounds prety bullet-proof. |
| 23:15:25 | midknight2k3 | no! |
| 23:15:26 | midknight2k3 | lol |
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| 23:15:34 | thedude02 | I hope they do |
| 23:15:36 | earHertz | No, just a private buold for me |
| 23:15:46 | thedude02 | you just have a version without it] |
| 23:15:52 | midknight2k3 | no |
| 23:15:53 | thedude02 | you could make it public too |
| 23:15:54 | midknight2k3 | why would they |
| 23:15:56 | midknight2k3 | why? |
| 23:16:20 | thedude02 | ? |
| 23:16:27 | earHertz | Oh, I'd put a copy up, if anyone wanted it. |
| 23:16:36 | thedude02 | K |
| 23:17:16 | thedude02 | I just fell sideways into the table while cutting a Smarties wrapper with a thubtack |
| 23:18:04 | earHertz | Zagor, does the .rock api include sprintf? |
| 23:18:50 | Zagor | no |
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| 23:19:18 | Zagor | we should probably add that |
| 23:19:24 | midknight2k3 | thats GREAT |
| 23:19:26 | midknight2k3 | thats why |
| 23:19:31 | [IDC]Dragon | it includes snprintf(), which is better |
| 23:19:40 | midknight2k3 | I KNEWQ IT |
| 23:19:41 | midknight2k3 | thats it |
| 23:21:14 | midknight2k3 | ok someone |
| 23:21:20 | | Nick thedude02 is now known as midknight2k2 (dudes@pm483-33.dialip.mich.net) |
| 23:21:21 | midknight2k3 | what is the function of PAUSE at recording screen |
| 23:21:27 | midknight2k3 | i thought it was "start new file" |
| 23:21:28 | | Nick midknight2k2 is now known as thedude02 (dudes@pm483-33.dialip.mich.net) |
| 23:21:33 | midknight2k3 | was i rhgit? |
| 23:22:23 | thedude02 | don looky me! |
| 23:22:43 | midknight2k3 | thedude02: do you know? |
| 23:22:56 | thedude02 | I said, don't look at me! |
| 23:23:00 | thedude02 | no I don't know |
| 23:23:05 | midknight2k3 | then.... |
| 23:23:07 | midknight2k3 | uh. |
| 23:23:15 | thedude02 | erm |
| 23:23:38 | earHertz | is the buflen argument to snprintf the total buffer size, or less one for the nul terminator? |
| 23:23:47 | Zagor | total size |
| 23:24:13 | Bagder | now why doesn't the table update |
| 23:24:22 | thedude02 | Refresh |
| 23:25:24 | midknight2k3 | a bit of info |
| 23:25:25 | midknight2k3 | ../../firmware/include/timefuncs.h:28: redefinition of `struct tm' |
| 23:25:35 | midknight2k3 | Bagder: it takes a bit remember |
| 23:25:37 | earHertz | cout << "when do we add iostreams to rockbox?" ; |
| 23:25:43 | midknight2k3 | updates on the hour or somethig |
| 23:26:01 | Zagor | earHertz: never. iostreams are useless. |
| 23:26:48 | thedude02 | iostreams are |
| 23:26:56 | earHertz | Sorry. I was shocked by the safety implied by snprintf rather than sprintf ;) |
| 23:27:05 | Zagor | haha |
| 23:28:44 | earHertz | It's funny, until midknight2k3 needed help, I hadn't looked at any .rock code. The api opaque pointer really reminds me of a pointer to class type in C++ |
| 23:28:59 | midknight2k3 | "needed help"? |
| 23:29:08 | * | midknight2k3 looks at "mr. i want the date" |
| 23:29:18 | thedude02 | lol |
| 23:29:27 | earHertz | I'm sorry. Before he got for free what I'd normally charge about $120 for. |
| 23:29:42 | thedude02 | lol |
| 23:29:44 | Bagder | darn |
| 23:29:48 | Bagder | two yellows left |
| 23:29:55 | thedude02 | ? |
| 23:29:58 | thedude02 | oh |
| 23:30:01 | earHertz | warnings |
| 23:30:03 | earHertz | presumably |
| 23:30:07 | thedude02 | yeah |
| 23:30:09 | Zagor | boo ;) |
| 23:30:10 | thedude02 | I thought so too |
| 23:30:15 | Bagder | weird |
| 23:30:40 | Bagder | ah win32 ones |
| 23:31:01 | thedude02 | er... |
| 23:31:19 | earHertz | anybody ever get the simulator running under cygwin? |
| 23:31:25 | midknight2k3 | I DID |
| 23:31:28 | Bagder | I'll do them tomorrow |
| 23:31:29 | Bagder | night |
| 23:31:31 | | Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") |
| 23:31:34 | thedude02 | night |
| 23:32:17 | earHertz | Hmm. Gore's going to endorse Dean. |
| 23:33:13 | thedude02 | er. |
| 23:33:14 | midknight2k3 | dfad |
| 23:33:21 | thedude02 | meaning |
| 23:33:39 | thedude02 | I'm for Denis personally |
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| 23:33:52 | earHertz | Lonely. |
| 23:34:06 | thedude02 | he even marched with picketeers outside of the Borders in the middle of the town |
| 23:34:16 | thedude02 | but he won't get elected |
| 23:34:24 | thedude02 | sort of like Ralph Nader |
| 23:34:47 | thedude02 | except the democrat vs democrat instead of Green vs Democrat vs Republican |
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| 23:37:26 | thedude02 | hi |
| 23:50:03 | thedude02 | bye guys |
| 23:50:05 | thedude02 | night |
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| 23:51:20 | midknight2k3 | linus! |
| 23:51:29 | midknight2k3 | and it's "the" linus! |
| 23:51:37 | LinusN | who else? |
| 23:51:46 | midknight2k3 | hopefully noone :) |
| 23:51:47 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Linus! |
| 23:52:01 | LinusN | hi |
| 23:52:01 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: 2 more files uploaded |
| 23:53:27 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: how is your FM's display? |
| 23:54:14 | Zagor | dragon: experimenting with lower framerate? |
| 23:54:26 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: working fine |
| 23:55:10 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: I thought it was broken? |
| 23:55:12 | LinusN | mike at newmp3technology.com sent me a replacement lcd |
| 23:55:30 | LinusN | nice guy |
| 23:56:16 | midknight2k3 | cool |
| 23:56:18 | midknight2k3 | it works? |
| 23:56:59 | LinusN | yup |
| 23:58:28 | LinusN | well, time to sleep |
| 23:58:36 | midknight2k3 | night |
| 23:58:44 | LinusN | cu around |
| 23:58:46 | | Part LinusN |
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