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#rockbox log for 2003-12-18

00:00:15tracki think its 1100 mAh
00:00:16Zagor2200mAh iirc
00:00:23trackok 2200mAh
00:00:45ZagorGuest75620: we simply haven't added the code to do it
00:01:17trackdo liion batteries wear out fast?
00:01:24Guest75620yes but should be possible to obtain a certain sync ?
00:01:44Guest75620I mean can we repeat the exact timing when reproducing a rvf '
00:01:54Guest75620Exact = the same as the original avi
00:04:18earHertzoooh! just got a rdl
00:05:03ZagorGuest75620: not for sure. there will be a problem when both the mpeg thread the the rvf view wants to buffer data from disk
00:05:22ZagorearHertz: congratulations :) I just committed a fix for that.
00:05:45earHertzfor the fmr too? ;(
00:06:33earHertztiming issue?
00:06:35Guest75620ok but you can add some seconds of silence before the mp3
00:06:41Guest75620or something like that
00:06:45ZagorearHertz: yes
00:07:18earHertzZagor, would you accept auto-saving settings for players but not recorders/fmrs/v2s, using an ifdef?
00:07:23ZagorGuest75620: that only works for the initial buffering. the problem is when you need to read more data from the disk during playback
00:07:27liniGuest75620 he means that after some time the mp3 buffer will be empty and because the rvf viewer is using the hdd there's no way to fill it
00:08:08liniand there's currently no way to increase the video buffer up from the 32k?
00:08:24Guest75620Ah ok ! Nothing can be done (software) to avoid that ?
00:08:24Zagorlini: actually they could both fill it, but it would create timing issues since the rvf viewer would run slower while the mpeg thread competes for the disk
00:08:53Zagorlini: it doesn't actually solve anything
00:09:13ZagorGuest75620: yes, but it's not a simple problem
00:09:52Guest75620I can imagine...
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00:10:15Guest75620but the video player ALWAYS access the disk ?
00:10:25Guest75620Hello !
00:10:26BoD[]long time no see :)
00:10:33trackall we need is sound in the rvfs
00:10:58Guest75620I mean it doesn't have a buffer ?
00:11:13liniGuest75620 it has a buffer but only 32kb
00:11:32Guest75620!!! So the access to disk is very frequent
00:12:04Guest75620How many seconds or milliseconds (or frames/sec) can be reprodced in the whole 32kb ?
00:13:07linibecause of the way plugins are designed, i think they cannot use more memory than that :(
00:13:48Guest75620Well playing a 60mins movie it's a thing I supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE ! They are REALLY great coders !!!
00:14:14Guest75620Zagor: tell me what you think about the rvf !!!
00:14:22Guest75620In my opinion it's simply FANTASTIC !
00:14:34Zagoryes, it's impressive
00:14:43BoD[]rvf ?
00:15:03liniaround 5 frames can fit in the buffer if i can count right
00:15:05Zagorlini: we will add a function to the plugin api to request use of the complete mp3 buffer
00:15:22ZagorBoD[]: have you missed the cool stuff? we've got a movie player now...
00:15:38 Quit track ("Leaving")
00:16:13Guest75620Zagor: I mean "tell me what you think about the rvf I am sending" ... :P
00:16:23BoD[]is it two colors ?
00:16:41Guest75620It can play even 60mins movie
00:16:49Guest75620tested today !
00:16:52ZagorBoD[]: about four gray scales
00:17:03Guest75620and the quality is really astonishing !!!
00:17:04BoD[]ahh :) that's better
00:17:23DoggerI dont have any hardware to run it on...
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00:17:26ZagorGuest75620: oh. i almost forgot about that file :)
00:17:31Guest75620zagor is there a way to view the rvf form the pc ?
00:17:31Doggercan anyone show me the quality somehow?
00:17:42Doggervideo the screen?
00:17:49Guest75620i send u a pic
00:17:54ZagorDogger: my digicam is in the shop, i'm afraid
00:18:04DoggerGuest75620: thanks
00:18:08ZagorGuest75620: i'd like it too, if it's good
00:18:09BoD[]it works like the old hp calc tricks i guess ?
00:18:39ZagorBoD[]: well like any two-color screen: flicker at different frequencies to simulate different shades
00:18:41Guest75620i am sending to both
00:18:51Guest75620the quality is good
00:19:00Guest75620very near the lcd using macro
00:19:06BoD[]i have to try this :)
00:19:54Guest75620Zagoor: is there a way to see the rvf without the archos ? I mean a pc player ?
00:20:02liniheh i'll make some pics too:) this i gotta show my friends
00:20:15liniespecially the ones with nomad Zens :)
00:20:45DoggerI need to get an archos mp3 player off ebay sometime
00:20:48Guest75620I also have done an util to convert form avi to rvf
00:20:49ZagorGuest75620: not that I know
00:20:50Guest75620 Converter
00:21:11Guest75620from the archos emulator ?
00:22:06Guest75620Zagor: look at the rvf
00:22:29BoD[]ok... no i got the new ajz and rocks
00:22:33BoD[]i need a video :)
00:23:25ZagorGuest75620: just look at it. looks good.
00:23:46 Quit DJBaz (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:24:02Guest75620It's impressive !
00:24:09Guest75620the lake sequence is MAGNIFIC !
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00:24:34ZagorBoD[]: grab the doom demo for starters
00:24:36Guest75620u are great
00:24:37midknight2k3hio zagor!
00:24:44Zagorhi midknight2k3
00:24:50midknight2k3hey dogger
00:24:50Guest75620share the rvf !!!
00:24:53midknight2k3hey ear
00:24:56midknight2k3my rvf?
00:25:00midknight2k3i should
00:25:03Guest75620Zagor: the picture is complete !
00:25:25Zagoryup, looking at it now.
00:25:37BoD[]where is it
00:25:39Zagorif I didn't know it was real, i'd claim it was fake :)
00:26:03Guest75620pics of the rvf files playing and a small 2min rvf taken from the movie WILLOW
00:26:36Guest75620ASTONISHING !
00:27:10Guest75620Anyway we can also say that archos sold good LCDs ;-P
00:27:12BoD[]ok i gotit
00:27:36midknight2k3not really but rockbox team MADE them good :)
00:27:45liniGuest75620 is there a crop function in virtualdub
00:27:45Guest75620OF COURSE !!!
00:27:53Guest75620yes it id
00:27:54Doggerey midknight2k3
00:28:01linii can't find a filter to crop a movie!?
00:28:11midknight2k3i use vegas
00:28:12Guest75620which version ?
00:28:24linithe one that you bundled
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00:28:37Doggerif only archos made as good firmware
00:28:43midknight2k3vegas 4, guest
00:28:44Doggermaking the BEST out of the hardware
00:28:45midknight2k3didnt i tell you?
00:28:57Guest75620no there isn't a specific filter
00:29:00midknight2k3dogger: yes, but like linus once said, they didnt have years to write firmware for it
00:29:00Guest75620wait a moment
00:29:08midknight2k3they had to toss something together and pop it on
00:29:37Doggersure, but they should support their products longer
00:29:52DoggerI expect only a couple more firmware updates for the av300, then they'll leave that
00:30:05midknight2k3as in work on the old firmware when they've got about 5 new ones to work on?
00:30:16Doggerits all similar code base anyway
00:30:55Doggeron second thoughts
00:31:00liniGuest75620 nevermind i found it:)
00:31:11Doggerthey prolly only have 1 trainee programmer making all their firmware
00:31:15Zagori think it's logical that they don't spend more time on their firmware
00:31:34midknight2k3rockbox is devoted, similar to avos
00:31:36Doggerbut then if *they* had have made video player on these,
00:31:42Zagorwhat they *should* do, which would cost them nothing and win them customers, is support those who want to hack their hardware after they've stopped
00:31:44Doggerpeople would have gone *WOW* archos are gods
00:31:45midknight2k3archos has to program it, release it, work more on productes etc
00:31:59midknight2k3dogger: sure, but they wouldnt
00:32:03midknight2k3its not even good for the lcd
00:32:11DoggerZagor: absolutely agree.... so worrying they somehow believe they can now start charging for their firmware
00:32:16midknight2k3why would they waste time on it? I doubt they could get it right
00:32:24BoD[]why the battery indicator now says "?" ?
00:32:30ZagorBoD[]: only the first minute
00:32:33midknight2k3give it a minute bod
00:32:40Doggermidknight2k3: because its got a 'wow' factor... something archos firmware has never seen before
00:32:52midknight2k3except for avxxx series :D
00:33:50midknight2k3dogger: i doubt itd make it into the final firmware either
00:33:59Doggerjust seen the pic... woah thats nice display
00:34:08midknight2k3archos spent more time working out all the bugs and glitches than making more features
00:34:25midknight2k3if you've toyed with the orig f/w you'd know what i mean
00:34:26Doggerand they still left loads of bugs and glitches in
00:34:36midknight2k3probably on the av3xx's yes
00:34:41Dogger(am talking about av now)
00:34:41midknight2k3who couldnt
00:34:53Doggerer real programmers?
00:34:53midknight2k3its like a bread maker and coffee brewer
00:35:05midknight2k3you cant make everything work flawlessly
00:35:12midknight2k3or you could, but release it years later
00:35:20Doggeryou use windows dont you
00:35:30Doggerever tried linux where it doesnt crash every hour?
00:35:39midknight2k3yes, i've tried linux
00:35:43midknight2k3but windows doesnt crash
00:35:44Doggerthere are linux releases for the chip used in the av products
00:35:50midknight2k3last time it did was like, 7 months ago
00:35:55Doggerthey could have just used a modified linux kernel
00:36:45Guest75620goodnight to you all !
00:36:52Guest75620and thanks again for the GREAT job !
00:36:58 Part Guest75620
00:37:00 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting")
00:40:56BoD[]with the Archos Converter Util
00:41:11BoD[]heu... nothing :) forget it
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00:47:09Zagorhi jörg
00:47:30[IDC]DragonHi Björn
00:47:42[IDC]DragonNot in nick mode today?
00:48:00Zagori'm never sure if I should call you idc or dragon :)
00:48:15[IDC]DragonJörg is fine.
00:48:30BoD[]it that the "quake clan" notation ?
00:48:41[IDC]DragonThis [IDC]Dragon has a history of my spam mail account, which I used for the group
00:49:08[IDC]DragonI made that account once for a LAN party registration
00:49:45[IDC]Dragonand used it for all crap you need a real email for later
00:49:56Zagorlike rockbox ;)
00:50:17[IDC]DragonSince rockbox, I now use it alot, it became my main private one
00:50:23BoD[]i prefer the demomaker notation (nick/group)
00:50:52[IDC]DragonBoD[]: but what are your brackets for?
00:51:02BoD[]Java array :))
00:51:15BoD[]but also, it's cool to add a status sometimes, like BoD[away]
00:51:34BoD[]but of course the real reason is that BoD was already registered here
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00:54:10earHertzidc, is there a way to restore the archos flash if I've flashed rockbox?
00:54:32[IDC]Dragondid you keep a dump?
00:55:00earHertzbut ?I forget the name of it
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00:56:01earHertzanybody know id newmp3technology gives refunds?
00:56:07liniit's the 256kb file
00:56:50earHertzok, I've got it and the 0000-FFFF one too
00:57:13[IDC]Dragonyou need only the 256kB one
00:57:33earHertzand what do I do then?
00:57:50linirename it
00:57:54[IDC]Dragonrename it to what "firmware_flash.rock" demands
00:58:04[IDC]Dragonthen you can flash it
00:58:23earHertzthe curent version of firmware_flash.rock will work?
00:58:31[IDC]Dragonshould do
00:58:47[IDC]DragonWhy do you want to revert?
00:59:14BoD[]i go to bed
00:59:19 Quit BoD[] ("dodo")
00:59:33earHertzWjhat name does ff demand?
01:00:05[IDC]Dragonit tells you when you start it
01:00:18[IDC]Dragonfirmware_rec.bin or so
01:00:32[IDC]Dragondepends on model ond boot ROM
01:01:25earHertzso I just play ff_rock?
01:02:03hardeephmmmm, is anyone here having difficulty building the UI simnulator for Win32?
01:02:20hardeep'cause I just tried on the latest daily build and it's still building/running fine for me
01:02:25Zagori've only tried building it on linux (for win32!)
01:02:29[IDC]Dragonear: yes
01:02:45earHertzI'm reverting just to double-check that flash isn't my problem
01:02:47Zagorhardeep: tell that to bluechip...
01:02:51hardeepZagor: yeah, the linux one for win32 builds/runs fine too
01:03:08[IDC]DragonearHertz: again, why revert the flash? What's the problem?
01:03:20hardeepZagor: heh, not worth the aggravation. I have him on my killfile list
01:03:23[IDC]DragonAh, you just said, sorry.
01:03:28earHertzIt's probbaly a hardware problem.
01:03:35Zagorhardeep: good idea :)
01:03:49midknight2k3alright, buye all
01:04:06 Quit midknight2k3 ()
01:04:07earHertzI just today got it back from repair at newmp3technology, and it's alreadty having trouble booting −− gain!
01:08:19 Quit track ("Leaving")
01:10:02[IDC]DragonIf I buy a recorder 15 today, how are my chances to get USB 2.0?
01:10:24hardeep[IDC]Dragon: all the ones I've seen nowadays are USB2.0
01:10:37hardeepI believe it says right on the box if it is
01:11:00[IDC]DragonAmazon doesn't let me look at the box, unfortunately.
01:11:08hardeepah, right :)
01:11:16liniis there a difference in the model number
01:11:57linimine says jbrhd15 and its USB1.1
01:16:03liniwhat does one do if one gets "Can't get frame from AVI file (General error in AVI file operation)" while running avitoyuv? :)
01:16:47[IDC]Dragondo you have a suitable codec installed for it?
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01:17:09liniyep i resized it and cropped it with vdub. no problems there
01:17:19[IDC]Dragonwhat codec did you compress it with?
01:17:22liniits in RGB
01:17:38[IDC]Dragonlike I would recommend
01:17:55[IDC]Dragonmaybe RGB in a strange format?
01:18:03linimaybe its something with the file size
01:18:10linithe avi becomes 3GB
01:18:13[IDC]Dragoncan you play it?
01:18:27liniyes i tried and the avi plays fine
01:18:33liniseeks and all
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01:18:41[IDC]Dragon3GB? Holy crap! Is that a whole movie?
01:19:07[IDC]DragonYes, AVIs break over 2 GB
01:19:38liniits ntfs so i thought file size didn't matter
01:19:40[IDC]DragonMS has a bug in their index table code
01:19:40linioh well
01:20:22[IDC]DragonI think they even stopo generating entries over 1GB, but my knowledge about that is many years old
01:20:38linibut the movie plays fine in the player(all the way to the credits)
01:21:12[IDC]Dragonthe player is probably not using the index table
01:21:23[IDC]Dragontry splitting it up
01:21:35linii am right now:)
01:21:46[IDC]Dragonyou can cat the .rfv's together
01:22:03[IDC]Dragonor even the .yuv, better
01:22:13earHertzidc, I assume it's a bad sign when the firmware_flash hangs on the "Programming..." screen?
01:22:28[IDC]DragonearHertz: very bad
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01:22:43earHertzyeah, so I thouhght
01:22:46linii'll join the rfv-s they're smaller
01:23:00earHertzany recommendations?
01:23:02[IDC]Dragonsuch has never been reported
01:23:25[IDC]DragonearHertz: under no circumstance shut it off
01:23:58[IDC]Dragoncan you get control again without?
01:24:08earHertzI flashed the bin I had, but It turned out to be a rockbox bin. Then I flashed an older copy. It verified, but now it's hung
01:24:32earHertzIt's on the "Programming..." screen. What do you suggest I do?
01:24:38[IDC]Dragonit verified OK?
01:24:49[IDC]Dragonverify is after programming
01:25:06earHertzno, I mean on the F1 screen. checked ok
01:25:37earHertzThe green led is on, the red is off, the backlight timed out
01:25:37[IDC]Dragonthis sounds very bad. I'm afraid for your box.
01:25:49earHertzme too
01:25:49[IDC]Dragonis DC connected?
01:26:02diddystar5wow very bad
01:26:14earHertzyes, it is. It wasn't for the first flash (of what turned out to be rockbox) but was for the second
01:26:18earHertzdc is still connected
01:26:35[IDC]DragonOK. leave it in, that prevents shutdown.
01:26:35earHertzshall I press any buttons?
01:26:50earHertzOk, I'll leave ith edc in.
01:27:07[IDC]Dragonlet me check the code...
01:28:56[IDC]Dragonthe programming has timeouts, so it can't get stuck.
01:30:06[IDC]DragonIf the flash is somehow not programmable, it will carry on (and be slower while doing that), the later verify will give you errors.
01:30:47[IDC]Dragonif the programming is really stuck, the software must have crashed.
01:31:49diddystar5maybe he is luckly, and it finished it's jop and then crahed?
01:32:07earHertzI suspect it crashed. as i mentioned, hardware problems
01:32:18[IDC]Dragonor it didn't start
01:32:38earHertzDammit, and I'd finished all of the extended battery life today, except for the menu part
01:33:26earHertzand I got test B's features with test A's savings
01:33:46diddystar5didn;t that test finsh a LONG time ago?
01:33:57earHertzum, a patch I was working on, idc
01:34:04[IDC]DragonThe test from Tom?
01:34:07earHertzIt did, but my archos was broken.
01:34:08Zagorbed time. bye all.
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01:34:14earHertzHah. I guess it's still broken
01:34:23earHertzI am tom
01:34:36earHertzThat one.
01:34:39diddystar5never knew that
01:34:53diddystar5did you ever do any more work on it?
01:34:54[IDC]DragonYOu have an FM, right?
01:35:09earHertzdiddystar5, I did not work until today.
01:35:18earHertzbecause my archos wasn't really working
01:35:33[IDC]DragonUART boot mod is easy for that one, if it comforts you
01:35:39earHertzand the recorder data from the tests were a bit different from the fmr data:
01:35:52earHertzeasy for you, perhaps.
01:36:13earHertzanyway, I think there's a continuing hardware problem underlying this
01:36:27diddystar5both of my tests were about the same (for the one that saved power, and the baseline thay didnt)
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01:36:55diddystar5what was the differnce betwene test A and B?
01:36:58earHertzYeah, but on test A you started out with less of a charge.
01:37:12earHertzwhen I massaged the data
01:37:30diddystar5i thik my batteries were fully charged
01:37:37earHertzyour tests ended up looking like this: v
01:37:51earHertzthey were almost fully charged.
01:39:07earHertzThis is your first 30 minutes for each test, diddy:
01:39:50earHertzYou were most charged (871) on the baseline test, least (843) on test A
01:40:46diddystar5i charged them with the archos firmware, and i left it until it quit
01:40:57diddystar5maybe its not so accurate
01:41:04diddystar5(archos firm)
01:41:13earHertzhere it is in volts (the other numbers are rockbox internal)
01:41:29earHertzNo, it's just hard to get exact charges
01:41:31earHertzIt's not your fault
01:41:49earHertzThe higher the charge, the more time it takes to accumulate more charge.
01:41:54diddystar5what was the differnce in test A and B?
01:42:50earHertzAfter normalizing by "starting" each test at similar voltages (by ignoring the earlier parts of baseline & test B), test A lasted 13% longer tnan basline, test B 5% longer
01:43:50earHertzeven without normalizing, test A was 5% longer
01:44:24earHertzAgain, you can see the normalizedc graph here:
01:44:38earHertz[IDC]Dragon, any ideas?
01:44:57diddystar5im loking at the graph now
01:45:34[IDC]Dragonah, done withstatistics?
01:46:01[IDC]Dragonhow about tapping off lightly?
01:46:21earHertza little tap
01:46:37earHertzno change
01:47:23[IDC]DragonI am thinking about the longer one, but that may reset it.
01:48:03[IDC]DragonI think you have no choice
01:48:26[IDC]Dragonyou flashed the original?
01:48:41liniwhat about plugging the usb cable?
01:48:43earHertzI'm not sure if it was the original or not
01:48:54earHertzit was my oildest backup of the 256k .bin
01:48:59[IDC]Dragonusb may be a good idea, too
01:49:16earHertzlet me try usb
01:49:25[IDC]Dragonloof inside the file with a hex viewer
01:52:06earHertzwhat am I looking for?
01:52:17[IDC]Dragondo you have it open?
01:53:45[IDC]Dragontell my byte 0x0c ... 0x0f
01:54:19***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:54:26[IDC]Dragon12-15, that is
01:55:13earHertz00 00 23 04
01:55:27[IDC]Dragonok, this is Archos
01:55:41[IDC]Dragonit's the size of the first image
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01:56:08[IDC]Dragonwhich is either my bootloader (small) or Archos' one (big)
01:56:52earHertznext suggestion?
01:57:00linimovies play a lot faster on the box :(
01:57:36[IDC]Dragonso you have no dual boot nor minimon at f3
01:57:39earHertzthe movies look great. idc, you do amaze me
01:57:56[IDC]Dragonlini: use -m to set the framerate of you movie
01:58:02liniyea it looks f*cking amazing :)
01:58:03earHertzwell, it's still stuck on the "Programming..." screen.
01:58:12lini10x will try
01:58:22earHertzso I don't know what I have or don't have.
01:58:43earHertzexcept a $550 paper weight
01:58:45[IDC]DragonI'm afraid you'd have to knock it off
01:58:53diddystar5i think the only thing you can do is to hard reboot
01:59:13earHertzarchos + 60GB drive + 110 for newmp3tech to repair it.
01:59:19earHertzJust got it back from repair today
01:59:35[IDC]Dragonyou should have warranty on the repair
01:59:38earHertzso, idc, what do you suggest I do next?
01:59:49earHertzyes, that's true
02:00:00[IDC]Dragonpress off longer, but I think it won't help
02:00:13earHertzwhat about attaching the usb cable?
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02:00:37linidoes the usb cable reset rockbox as it resets orig firmware?
02:00:43[IDC]Dragonyes, try usb, buttons, whatever
02:01:05earHertzbuttons: no
02:01:09earHertzusb: no
02:01:47[IDC]Dragonit would be very preferable if we can get control back to rockbox, to dump the flash, reflash, etc.
02:01:49earHertzoff button did work
02:02:02[IDC]Dragonwhat happened?
02:02:07earHertzscreen is off, both leds are on: green & red
02:02:33diddystar5uhh o
02:02:37[IDC]Dragonlooks no good, no sign of life?
02:02:40earHertzpressing f3 turned off the red led.
02:03:15[IDC]Dragoninteresting, what mode is that, which sotware does it?
02:03:18earHertzholding off for a while turns on red led
02:03:34earHertzf3 no longer turns off red led
02:03:47[IDC]Dragoncan you see the drive when plugging usb?
02:04:06earHertzholding off cause red led to turn off, then back on.
02:04:27earHertzno drive
02:04:39earHertzoh, wait, here it comes
02:05:10earHertzand now windows is complaining I unplugged it without first ejecting it
02:07:45earHertzusb when connected immediately windows complains it's been unplugged.
02:08:42earHertzwell, idc, at least it lasted long enough that I finanly saw your doom movie today.
02:08:57diddystar5goin gto hard reboot?
02:09:01earHertzany reason not to unplug the dc?
02:09:04[IDC]Dragonnot worth dying for
02:10:01[IDC]Dragonseems impossible to regain control
02:10:16diddystar5the moment of truth
02:10:21[IDC]Dragonor what do you think?
02:10:39earHertzI think theres no firmware to boot it
02:10:43diddystar5will it work when you turn it off then backon?
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02:11:07[IDC]Dragonprobably not, but I see no alternative
02:11:15earHertzpressing on gets me both leds, holding off gets me hard-ware off
02:11:22[IDC]Dragondid you powe cycle it?
02:12:17[IDC]Dragonsome part of the firmware must be there
02:12:39[IDC]Dragonthe bootrom looks for "ARCH" as the first 4 bytes
02:12:41earHertzlittle good that does me
02:13:12[IDC]Dragonif that's not present, it flashes the LED for a while and dozes off
02:13:37diddystar5were you flashing a .ucl or the bin with bootloader ETC?
02:13:46earHertza bin
02:13:58earHertzI got it back from newmp3 today.
02:14:16earHertzIt was working fine from 11:30 to about a hour ago.
02:14:34diddystar5send it back dont they have a warrenty? lol
02:15:04earHertzthen it began to show the old symptipoms: reluctants boots, scrambled screems, an upside down "IllInstr", and a tendency to freeze if f1 was held
02:15:15[IDC]DragonI doubt they'r able to reflash it
02:15:25earHertzwishing to eliminate any questions, I decided to re-flash the firmware back to oem conditions.
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02:16:04earHertzso, idc, what do you suggest?
02:16:09diddystar5my rec is currently sitting in a shelf, and if it turn it on it say ata error -11
02:16:33diddystar5the wire that powers the hd is broken right now
02:17:11[IDC]Dragonyou coul play dumb and send it back, hoping they don't read this
02:17:21earHertzsend it back to whom?
02:17:39[IDC]Dragonyour mp3tech?
02:17:53earHertzif I do, I'll tell them about the re-flashing
02:18:02earHertzcan't expect diagnosis otherwise
02:18:18earHertzand clearly the hardware problems weren't cleared up
02:18:37[IDC]Dragonhmm, the diagnostic may get better, but they may refuse
02:18:37earHertzwhat's the uart mod require?
02:18:45earHertzthey may
02:18:48midknight2k3gotta go lol
02:18:49linisetting -m 25 on a 25fps movie made it slower than the original.. going to experiment until i get it right :)
02:18:52diddystar5arent you a good enough solderer to do serial mod?
02:18:57midknight2k3er wait
02:19:01earHertzprobably not
02:19:21diddystar5lini: try 65 to 80
02:19:29[IDC]Dragonlini: what fps do you get when playing?
02:19:41midknight2k3ill be back in a bit
02:19:57linii'll make a smaller segment
02:19:59[IDC]Dragonuse that for -p
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02:20:24liniabout 70(68-69)
02:20:45[IDC]Dragonok, use that for -p
02:20:50diddystar5need to go
02:20:57[IDC]Dragonand the movie rate for -m
02:20:59diddystar5see you people later
02:21:02linido i leave the -m or just use -p?
02:21:05liniah ok
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02:21:48[IDC]DragonearHertz: you need to do a UART mod, which is attaching 2 wires
02:22:04earHertzto what?
02:22:06[IDC]Dragonyou need a level converter to connect that to your PC
02:22:29earHertzwhat's a level converter, and how much does it cost?
02:22:47[IDC]Dragonthe wires go to a 2*3 diagnostic area which Archos prepared
02:23:38[IDC]Dragonit's translating the +12V/-12V swing at the PC side to 3V/0V at Archos side
02:23:47[IDC]Dragonand the opposite
02:24:14[IDC]Dragonmost practical is probably to use a mobile phone adapter
02:26:45[IDC]DragonI have to leave soon
02:26:58[IDC]Dragon2:30 am here
02:27:11liniheh 3:30 am here :p
02:28:39earHertzthanks for you help
02:29:10[IDC]DragonI wasn't any help, very sorry.
02:29:33[IDC]Dragonyou're in the US, right?
02:29:39earHertzno, at least I was able to talk to thew person most knowledgable abourt the flash.
02:29:44earHertzSo I know where things stand
02:29:53earHertzI'm in the US, yes
02:30:29[IDC]Dragonnot really practicalto ship the box to me then
02:30:52earHertzIf I did, you'd what, UART mod it and re-write the flash?
02:31:38linipretty close to the actual framerate now;)
02:31:53linibox a little bit faster
02:31:58[IDC]Dragoncould do that, but it won't fix the rest of your hardware
02:33:00earHertzyeah, true
02:33:44earHertzyou're in .de?
02:34:56earHertz$14 to mail there
02:35:16[IDC]Dragonand how much for the return?
02:35:20earHertzyou need to go to bed.
02:35:32earHertzwho knows
02:35:46earHertzI'll chat with you later
02:36:04[IDC]DragonOK, cu
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02:37:50liniplayback with sound works but framerate suffers when filling the mp3 buffer:(
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04:38:02earHertzwho's here?
04:38:31Sebulba02That depends.
04:38:48earHertzgot an fmr?
04:39:10Sebulba02Nope, just a rec.
04:41:45brking_homei have an fmr
04:42:15earHertzdo me a favor. Take the battery cover off
04:44:19brking_homenow what?
04:45:05earHertzsee the green circuit board?
04:45:34earHertzis it flat all the way acroos, or does it bend in one direction?
04:46:50brking_homeit's pretty much flat all the way across
04:47:45brking_homethe small screw in the center pulls it towards to top a bit, but aside from that its flat
04:48:34earHertzhow long have you had your fmr?
04:49:43brking_homea few months
04:50:29brking_homegot it as a best buy replacement when my studio 20 died
04:50:48earHertzhow long had you had your studio?
04:51:57brking_homeback up,,, I got a rec as a replacement for my studio,,, then an fmr as a replacement for my studio
04:52:33brking_homeI got my first studio right about the time rockbox was starting
04:52:33earHertzyou got a rec first? and it died? so you got an fmr?
04:53:11brking_homei got a studio first, it died, got another, it died, got a recorder, it died. now I have an fmr
04:53:51brking_homethankfully best buy paid for each replacement
04:54:17earHertzI voided my warranty installing a 60gb disk
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07:09:12Masskillerwhy wont it auto-load the cvs version
07:09:30Masskillereven when i put the .ajz in the .rockbox folder
07:09:37Masskillerand load it via the firmware entry in the menu
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07:10:31^^neo^^hey someone here ?
07:11:29^^neo^^for what is the plugin "video" ???
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12:35:40pokerjokerwhat does PANIC mean. its not good eh
12:36:09pokerjokerusually when i see Panic i get uptight
12:36:15dwihnowhen does it occur?
12:37:01pokerjokerjust once when i turned it on. didnt recognize hard drive
12:42:20pokerjokerglitch i guess.
12:43:05pokerjokeri like rockbox though
12:43:20pokerjokeri hope midknight2k3 comes in soon
12:44:52dwihnoUsing the original firmware doesn't cause any kind of problem?
12:52:20pokerjokerjust happened once, then the other times it was ok
12:52:38pokerjokerbut the fact that it said PANIC kinda made me think it was permanently screwed
12:54:55dwihnoYou should write all information on-screen down when that happens.
13:40:37pokerjokerok. will do. thanks and see ya
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21:12:20liniany1 alive?
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21:42:07^^neo^^for what is the video plugin ?
21:42:54^^neo^^I just saw it in plugins
21:43:16trackenables you to view video clips. (.rvf files)
21:43:41^^neo^^how to convert to this .rvf ?
21:44:07^^neo^^or where to download rvf movies =
21:44:30trackyou need Virtualdub to resize the .avi file to 112x64 and you need 2 programs to make the .rvf file from the avi
21:44:48^^neo^^du you have a smale smaple file ?
21:44:56^^neo^^which u could send me ?
21:45:03tracknot at the moment sorry
21:45:07trackask Linus or Zagor
21:45:10trackthey prob know
21:45:16trackYou don't get sound howevery
21:45:38^^neo^^which programs are these ?
21:45:56^^neo^^and does it work for mpg too ?
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21:46:32trackno just avi
21:46:47^^neo^^ohh i need to know how it works
21:47:10^^neo^^can you explain me ?
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21:54:04^^neo^^someone here can help me to convert .avi -> .rvf ???
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21:59:14Masskillerhey uh
21:59:17Masskilleranyone here?
21:59:26Masskilleranyone here that can help me?
22:00:46linihello :)
22:00:51Masskillercan you help? :D
22:01:09lini^^neo^^ try this link
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22:01:09Masskiller,01•^^neo^^,01• i have virtualdub
22:01:44Masskilleri got me some 2100mAh batteries
22:01:47Masskillerand some 1850Mah
22:01:50liniits virtualdub + avi2yuv + halftone
22:01:53^^neo^^me 2200 :)
22:01:57Masskillerawh :(
22:02:01Masskillerwhere/hoe :\
22:02:20^^neo^^but rockbox doesent use it well
22:02:45Masskillerheh :\
22:02:48Masskillerthats why i got 2100
22:02:59^^neo^^ok got the utitlity and now ?
22:03:32liniget an .avi file and put it in the folder then run the batch script
22:04:00^^neo^^which folder and which batch script ?
22:04:00linithere should be a readme file
22:04:40liniextract the contents of the archive somewhere
22:04:48liniand put the movie in the same folder
22:05:09^^neo^^in Stuff ?
22:06:00^^neo^^ahj sry musst rename it
22:06:09liniwhere the "convert" script is
22:06:16liniread the readme file :)
22:07:37Masskillerim gonna convert something cool
22:07:42Masskilleri dont know what
22:07:46Masskillerbut it'll be cool
22:08:33^^neo^^where does it save the convertet file ?
22:08:55Masskillerthe internet
22:09:01linisame place
22:09:03^^neo^^ah i have it it was 10mb before and now 50mb
22:09:09^^neo^^and now ?
22:09:21Masskillerput on mp3 player
22:09:23Masskillerand play it
22:09:44^^neo^^IMPORTANT: non-compressed avi files could be VERY LARGE (almost 2Gb for a 650Mb DivX movie
22:09:49Masskilleryeah haha
22:10:00Masskillerwhich is why you use small files :|
22:10:06Masskillerof course
22:10:10Masskillerwhen they're resized
22:10:13Masskillerits a lot smaller file
22:10:21^^neo^^ok i try
22:11:12^^neo^^ok he doesent know the file
22:11:16^^neo^^and its still avi
22:12:23^^neo^^whats wrong?
22:12:45linishould be rvf, not avi
22:13:05liniprobably a problem while converting
22:13:19linileave it until a better converter comes out;)
22:15:24^^neo^^i just renamed it to rvf :) i got to see a flashin screen
22:15:57lininope that won't do
22:16:11liniif its not rvf originally it won't play :)
22:16:24^^neo^^but why doese it not converte to rvf ?
22:16:39linicould be a number of things
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22:19:56^^neo^^ok it does work now
22:20:07^^neo^^but why does it not use fulscreen =
22:26:02^^neo^^lini ?
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22:37:08lini^^neo^^ what do you mean by fullscreen?
22:37:27^^neo^^the full display
22:37:40liniwell it should :)
22:37:40^^neo^^there are at least 10mm not in use
22:37:48^^neo^^on top n bottom
22:38:01^^neo^^well thats not the real problem atm
22:39:08^^neo^^if you click the batchfile doese it start the convert autimaitcally or do you need du chose option 1,2 or3 ?
22:39:22liniyou have to choose i think
22:39:37^^neo^^thats the problem its starts without this
22:40:25liniit has to do some work before it
22:40:27^^neo^^ohh just wait a sec
22:40:28liniso just wait:)
22:42:35^^neo^^ok works perfect now
22:42:42^^neo^^i love rockbox :))
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22:44:36^^neo^^must go to sleep now
22:44:52^^neo^^i love rockbox :)=
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22:55:37liniany1 alive?
22:56:31linii've asked this question a lot lately but alas with no response yet:(
22:56:52liniwhat software do i need to modify a font file?
22:56:56[IDC]Dragonwhich question?
22:57:01linior where can i find the file format
22:57:06liniso i can write my own
22:57:17[IDC]Dragonthere is pfaedit
22:57:27[IDC]Dragoni think that's the name
22:57:42[IDC]Dragonand a converter for rockbox format
22:58:05[IDC]Dragonpfaedit is for linux
22:58:43liniic..and is the converter in the source someplace?
22:59:40[IDC]DragonI tried pfaedit under Windows, doesn't really work
22:59:54liniwell if i know the format
23:00:01linii can find another editor
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23:00:33Masskillerhey uh
23:00:39Masskillerwhenever i load a daily build
23:00:43Masskillerit loads fine and stuff
23:00:46Masskillerbut when i reboot
23:00:46 Part Plugh
23:00:51Masskillerits back at old 2.1 :(
23:01:11[IDC]Dragonhave you flashed?
23:01:24Masskilleri suppose i can try again
23:01:34[IDC]Dragonbut obviously notthe daily build
23:01:39Masskilleri did
23:01:42[IDC]Dragonplay the .ucl
23:01:48Masskilleri did :|
23:02:07uski[IDC]Dragon: hi
23:02:08[IDC]Dragonthen you flashed 2.1?
23:02:20Masskilleri dont know what i did lol
23:02:28Masskillerim gonna go mess around and hope i dont break it
23:02:31Masskillerhaha :\
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23:02:48[IDC]Dragonnot by playing ucl's
23:02:52MasterLeeAJBM support?
23:03:00MasterLeeor is that still out?
23:04:21[IDC]Dragonnot supported
23:04:32MasterLeeDamnit. :)
23:04:38MasterLeeYeah, I figured
23:04:59MasterLeethe AV's are supported recently aren't they?
23:05:33[IDC]Dragonno, there's just one guy workingin private on it
23:05:35Masskilleroh horray
23:05:39Masskillerit works now :D
23:05:42Masskilleri <3 you
23:07:30MasterLeeDamn. :)
23:07:47MasterLeewell, thanks anyway. Rockbox does rock.
23:07:49MasterLeethat's for sure
23:10:59linia nasty bug i hate is that the box does not recognize the usb cable sometimes when i plug it in. Did someone else report this ever?
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23:13:58[IDC]Dragonlini: yes, happens to me sometimes.
23:14:16strestout1_hello everyone
23:15:08linialso i have not been able to achieve correct speed of the video playback
23:15:37linii tried every value of p and the answer lies someplace between 68 and 69
23:16:00strestout1_anyone here run linux and own an archos?
23:16:31liniso no hope of sync with the sound
23:16:57[IDC]Dragonlini: did you specify -m properly?
23:17:51[IDC]Dragonyou can use float values as well, e.g. -p 68.5
23:18:00lini[IDC]Dragon: yes, its exactly 25
23:18:13MasterLeelini: is it that box doesn't or you haven't started the player with the usb cable connected?
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23:18:30MasterLeethe AJBM, at least, must have the cable connected on power on
23:19:00[IDC]DragonI could check in a new version of the video player, which has pause, reverse, wind, step, etc.
23:19:11liniMasskiller: if i plug the USB when rockbox is on, sometimes it doesn't switch to USB, so i have to unplug and plug again
23:20:12lini[IDC]Dragon if i understand correctly now you're just stuffing the lcd with data and it plays as fast as it can
23:20:40liniso there is no way to control how many frames get displayed in reality
23:21:12[IDC]Dragonthere will be, I'm planning on regulating the speed
23:21:38[IDC]Dragonbut I can't start an mp3 from a plugin
23:21:44linigreat. so you will cap the number of fps
23:22:02[IDC]Dragonyes, the question is just to which value
23:22:18[IDC]Dragonwe need 70 fps or so for best effect
23:22:20liniis it different for fmr and jbr?
23:22:33[IDC]Dragonand we're a bit slow to achieve that already
23:22:53[IDC]Dragontepends on temperature, etc.
23:23:17[IDC]Dragonthe LCD has a free running RC oscillator
23:23:34linii see
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23:29:53[IDC]Dragonand white pixels are a bit faster to display
23:33:22Masskilleris there like
23:33:28Masskilleran easy way to get the damn batteries out
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23:37:50Masskillerlevel3 :|
23:38:05Sebulba02What of it?
23:38:28Masskilleri have a friend that works at level3 ;o
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23:39:23Masskilleris there an easy way to get the damn batteries out? lol ;\
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23:39:56Sebulba02Follow the instructions? :)
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23:40:14Masskillerthere's instructions on that?
23:40:23Masskiller*looks for manual*
23:40:44Sebulba02There were with mine, I believe.
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