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#rockbox log for 2003-12-23

00:01:15 Quit MethanGas (" The IRC Client of the Gods! -> <- HydraIRC")
00:06:39 Join Sebulba02 [0] (
00:16:26Sebulba02Cool, antibubbles
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00:27:42linii was thinking of upgrading my jbr to a av320 this christmas... e770? WTF? why is it so foking expensive? is it made of gold or smth?
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00:48:47 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting")
00:53:37Infornogr4phylini: lol i got my av340 for free~
00:55:17 Quit Sebulba02 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:58:12 Join Stevenm [0] (
00:58:28Stevenmhey guys. anyone get Rockbox to play video?
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00:59:25StevenmI tried the video plugin but I get error- Incompatible Version. I'm using rockbox 2.1 on a Recorder
01:00:56[IDC]Dragonyou have to update to the daily build
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01:01:51[IDC]Dragonor where did you get the plugin? it wasn't in 2.1
01:03:08StevenmI got the plugin off the rockbox site
01:03:35StevenmOh guys.. I flashed my device. Cna I still upgrade Rockbox somehow?
01:04:01[IDC]Dragonshure. play the .ucl file of the daily build
01:04:14StevenmWhat would that do?
01:04:28[IDC]Dragonreflash the rockbox part
01:04:56StevenmOh ok, nice
01:06:16[IDC]DragonRTFM: the "standard" procedure is to get a daily build, copy all to the JB, play the .ajz to be in the new Rockbox version, then play rockbox.ucl to flash it.
01:06:21StevenmI get error: Incompativle Version when playing the UCL file
01:06:37StevenmI did RTFM, did just taht
01:06:39[IDC]Dragonplay the .ajz first to be consistant
01:06:58StevenmI just did
01:07:07StevenmRun the new firmware first, then the UCL
01:07:12[IDC]Dragonelse you have already new plugins, but still run an older Rockbox version.
01:07:36[IDC]Dragondidn't work?
01:08:05StevenmAh here we go
01:08:10Stevenmmy bad- forgot to sync filesystem
01:08:52StevenmI ususally mount nosync.. but I'll throw that into fstab when I'm not feeling lazy
01:09:12liniInfornogr4phy i envy you! getting a free one is too much! noooo
01:09:58[IDC]DragonStevenm: got a video?
01:10:25StevenmHoly crap guys, this is AWESOME
01:10:43Stevenmsomeone ought to add am MP3 sound channel :-)
01:11:04[IDC]Dragonslowly, one after the other
01:11:18StevenmYea I gotcha
01:11:33lini[IDC]Dragon did you decide on the way audio is going to be added?
01:11:46liniseparate file/ interleaving etc?
01:12:07StevenmWoah, you guys are ACTUALLY addinv sound?
01:12:08[IDC]Dragonthe clean way would be to interleave bitswapped mp3 data
01:12:40[IDC]DragonStevenm: not yet, just thinking about it
01:13:08StevenmWell, how much CPU time is used playing video? Will there be enough procewsing power to send MP3 data and video at once?
01:13:33[IDC]Dragonmp3 doesn't need much CPU
01:13:56[IDC]Dragontry it: play an mp3 in the "background" while you run a video
01:14:00liniStevenm, audio is processed by a different chip
01:14:28Stevenmlini: I know.. read the technical docs.. but it would seem that video would take up A LOT of resources, no?
01:14:32Infornogr4phylini: lol there are alot of HORROR stories about archos products lol..i think it's fair i got mine free lol
01:14:35linii lose only 1 fps when i play audio and i think it is because of the empty buffer filling
01:15:04Infornogr4phylol i'm going to try and get 2 more av300's but only the 20 gig models
01:15:08liniInfornogr4phy hm I haven't got a single problem with mine
01:15:26StevenmBtw, I think I ought to say, Rockbox is, like, completely kick ass
01:15:29Infornogr4phylini: same here, but if you go on like yahoo groups you hear all these bad horror storries
01:15:34liniexcept that one of the batteries leaked
01:15:54Infornogr4phylini: like there was this one guy who had to return his av320 3 times to the same store
01:15:55linii never saw a nimh battery leak before
01:16:25Infornogr4phylini: and another guy whose screen didn't work and he called archos only to hear the archos representative tell him to "Get your money back."
01:17:42linii was so hoping to watch movies on my trips
01:17:57lininow I am thinking of getting a pda to do that
01:18:03Infornogr4phyi love watching movies and episodes while at school or travelling
01:18:09Infornogr4phyall on my purdy archos
01:18:13linionly thing remaining is how to hook it to a hdd
01:18:15Infornogr4phyi want to make an external battery pack though
01:18:28StevenmIt's kinda amazing how Archos made their products so, erm, crap-free
01:18:38Infornogr4phyStevenm: yea
01:18:42[IDC]Dragongoodnight folks!
01:18:44Infornogr4phynot all people have problems with the archos
01:18:51StevenmOthers would like, put some kind of special partition on the drive, a special filesystem, a special hd connector, etc
01:19:01 Quit [IDC]Dragon ()
01:19:13Infornogr4phyi think it's kinda normal to have horror stories, there are horror stories for every product...just the general consensus for archos is...TECH SUPPORT IS NONEXISTANT
01:20:01liniInfornogr4phy, i know that. I knew that when i bought mine.
01:20:10linibut i was willing to take the risk
01:20:21liniit was the cheapest one :)
01:20:36StevenmTry COMCAST horror stories. 9 phone calls. 2 months. not a single tech.
01:20:42Infornogr4phybut well, if my av300 breaks...I still have an RCA Lyra i use as a paperweight, a couple of ipods, 3 irivers and i'm going to try and get 2 more av300's
01:20:58liniInfornogr4phy why?
01:21:21liniin case one of the av breaks
01:21:22Infornogr4phyStevenm: lol the only thing I hate about comcast is the $$$ i have no problems with them otherwise
01:21:42Infornogr4phylini: ah lol in case mine breaks, I have backups lol
01:22:16Infornogr4phylini: lol i still have the crappy RCA Lyra ( paperweight ) , some 40gig ipods and 3 irivers, but i still like the av300's so i'm going to go for more lol
01:22:23Infornogr4phyXD i love free stuffies
01:23:25Infornogr4physigh, but still i like the av340 i have's working so well..but after all the horror stories...@_@
01:23:28linii'm still determined to watch movies somehow. and i don't want a bulky notebook
01:23:55Infornogr4phylini: yourself a favor, get an av320 and opt for an extended warantee
01:24:11Infornogr4phybleh i can't even spell correctly now..
01:24:41liniInfornogr4phy i'm a poor student. if i get one now i'll have to starve for the next couple of months
01:24:59Infornogr4phylol i'm poor too i know what you mean
01:25:24lininot all of us have access to some store's warehouse :)
01:25:52Infornogr4phyyour half right when you say that
01:26:44linimaybe i'll start harassing archos so they send me one to "review"
01:27:11Infornogr4phylol i doubt they would
01:27:25Infornogr4phyI think techtv and a bunch of other places had to BUY it to review it ( go archos! )
01:27:50linioh i can settle for a discount too
01:28:07lini+ i am sure to get a working one, cause nobody wants bad publicity
01:28:52Infornogr4phyman, if Dogger manages to get Linux and Mame on an av300...then lini, you'd better get one
01:29:22*Infornogr4phy imagines playing game boy advance games via emulator and rom on his av340....and selling his GBA SP
01:29:39linii'm pretty sure i'll get an asus pda
01:29:55liniarchos is too damn expensive
01:30:04Infornogr4phylol yea i have to say that too..
01:30:26linithe only thing bothering me is the memory on the pda
01:30:26Infornogr4phyi went to fry's to see just how much my archos costs if i had to buy it and Fry's rips you off
01:30:32Infornogr4phyit's like $700
01:30:45Infornogr4phylini: what kind of memory does the pda use? flash?
01:31:08Infornogr4phylesse the prices for CF cards...
01:31:56liniproblem is that going from 20GB to a couple of hundred mb max is way too steep :(
01:32:11Infornogr4phyoooh...they have a 4GB CF Type II card out by LEXAR...
01:32:30liniyea and it probably costs as much as the av :)
01:32:31Infornogr4phyand it's fat32 compliant~
01:32:37Infornogr4phylet me check the price
01:34:19Infornogr4phylol for 1 gig it's $250
01:35:49Infornogr4phy1 gig for $ 20 gigs for $400 lol...uuhh...archos at least has an upperhand on that one...
01:36:49liniand i guess i cannot connect the pda to the archos cause they can only be usb slaves :( i knew firewire was better :)
01:37:23Infornogr4phylol yea
01:37:34Infornogr4phyi think i want to buy the firewire adaptor for my archos
01:38:23liniwould be cool tho. keep all the data on a firewire drive and use it only when needed, otherwise stick with the pda
01:39:45 Quit mecraw__ ("Trillian (")
01:41:40StevenmHey, where can I find some documentation on the Linux version of the Rockbox simulator?
01:42:07Sebulba02the rockbox website?
01:42:14StevenmLooking around..
01:42:25Sebulba02or maybe checkout the source?
01:43:20Stevenmah got it
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01:49:37jajasonvichhello, does anyone know if there is a special driver needed to hook up to pocket pc 2002
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02:36:36Imaginedarn linus isn't here
02:37:33earHertzdon't damn Linus
02:38:49 Nick edx{dvd} is now known as edx (
02:42:21Imaginedoesn't resolve the Dir buffer issue however
02:42:39Imaginewhen there's just one file hehe
02:42:44Imagineat least the partition issue is fixed
02:42:48earHertzwhat issue?
02:42:57Sebulba02theres an issue with that?
02:43:10Imaginenot in teh code, prolly
02:43:32Imaginebut formatting Fat32@16K shouldn't give any prob
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02:48:41hardeepImagine: what didn't resolove the dir buffer issue?
02:48:46hardeeper resolve
02:49:04ImagineI think it may have just resolved
02:49:23 Quit edx ()
02:49:32ImagineI formatted on Win2k and got the warning and that there were no files, but after being plugged into my Mac it's happy
02:50:00Sebulba02I've formatted mine on win2k numerous times
02:50:10Sebulba02no problems, other than I had to retransfer everything :)
02:51:42Imaginemy baby AJBR has had some rough times though
02:51:51Imaginehard drive sounds like a car
02:51:57Imagineworks fine though :)
02:53:29Infornogr4phylike a car...?
02:54:00Sebulba02I hope that was exaggerated
02:54:24Imagineit sounds like a hard drive that has bad bearings
02:54:29Infornogr4phyif not then...maybe archos should start developing automobiles..?
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02:58:14midknight2k3i just unsubscribed mailing list
02:58:32midknight2k3then refreshed the page and watched the subscribers number go from 486 to 485
02:59:07midknight2k3quiet down now
02:59:18midknight2k3ha ah
03:00:34midknight2k3Bluechip: nice work on disp fix
03:01:13midknight2k3bye all
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03:18:45Sebulba02Oh no
03:19:01midknight2k3sorry ma'am
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03:38:24midknight2k3hi mt
03:48:59 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Tickle-Me Elmo uses BitchX. *giggle* *giggle* *giggle*")
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03:55:55midknight2k3not much
03:56:05Snerfsame ole , same ole :)
03:56:32midknight2k3wait a second.
03:56:35midknight2k3oh nm
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03:57:51Snerfokie dokie
04:01:06midknight2k3bye all
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04:01:15arspy87hey guys
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04:07:39arspy87quiet here
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04:14:37arspy87*falling asleep*
04:22:11arspy87i'm out
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05:38:35midknight2k3hey all!
05:38:39midknight2k3longhorn i'm on
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05:50:20midknight2k3FINE THEN
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05:58:31earHertzanybody seen Linus?
05:58:54midknight2k3im here
05:59:11midknight2k3too bnad dcc doesnt work
06:00:31midknight2k3i could send you a neat screenie
06:01:55earHertzOh, too bad.
06:03:41 Quit AciD ("Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95")
06:26:12earHertzmidknight2k3 has seen LOTR 10 times
06:27:02earHertzwhat's up midknight2k3
06:27:34earHertzth OS?
06:28:07earHertzwhat about it?
06:28:21midknight2k3on it
06:28:22midknight2k3its nice
06:29:04earHertzI don't want it
06:29:47midknight2k3i didnt offer it
06:31:32earHertzNo, i mean when MS brings it out, I won't buty it
06:31:44midknight2k3why not
06:31:48midknight2k3avalon is awesome
06:32:36midknight2k3DEFINE DRM
06:33:36earHertzdigital restrictions management
06:33:54earHertzLonghorn will report your music to MS and prevent you from playing it
06:34:36earHertzIt's part of teh music companies' plan
06:35:20earHertzWhole parts of your computer will be off-limits to you, but readable and writable by big companies
06:35:35midknight2k3nice fantasy
06:35:39midknight2k3but it won't happen
06:36:03earHertzIt will if everyone likes Longhormn as much as you do.
06:36:11earHertzMe, I'm going to be using linux
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06:36:47ajiuOdoes this stuff work for the Archos Gmini or jsut jukebox
06:36:54midknight2k3just jukebox
06:37:10ajiuOis there anythign for the gmini yet??
06:37:50earHertzNor will there be. Sorry.
06:38:00ajiuOoh why not?
06:38:10earHertzGmini's different architechture.
06:38:18earHertzAnsd archos is selling software now.
06:38:55ajiuOwell that dont mean no one will hack it
06:39:12ajiuOhalf the fun
06:39:40earHertzWell, it means that who does hack it, may have Archos complaining that the hack takes away money from Archos
06:39:52midknight2k3and sue you
06:40:01earHertzor DMCA you.
06:40:36ajiuOwell as long as its not there software your pirating there shoudl be no problem
06:40:38earHertzWhat makes the Gmini better than the Reorder, anyway?
06:40:47midknight2k3Reorder? whats that
06:41:00ajiuOit is perfecvtly legl for 3erd party suport
06:41:23ajiuOits just like microsoft making office for an aple
06:41:27midknight2k3not rw/ing
06:41:54earHertzajiuO, I agree. But I onnly have a few lawyers.
06:42:37ajiuOheh iv alread been to court as a result of the dmca was fun
06:42:55earHertzOh? You got a take-down notice?
06:43:18ajiuOno directv seems to think iso smart card readers are iligle
06:43:24ajiuOi bot one
06:43:34ajiuOso they asumed i used it for them
06:43:36midknight2k3you bot one?
06:43:40midknight2k3:D j/k
06:43:41ajiuOthe bastards
06:43:53ajiuOthey had not proof of what i used it for
06:44:19ajiuOdont know how they get away with that crap
06:44:25ajiuOdint get a dime out of me thogh
06:44:59ajiuOi slaped the ricco act back on that ass
06:45:37ajiuOfor evry law there is a counter law i tell you
06:47:55ajiuOhas anyone here used the Gmini
06:48:19ajiuOi was trying to deside on a mp3 player to buy
06:48:24midknight2k3get a rec20
06:48:39ajiuOwhats that
06:48:49earHertzYou didn't pay the 3 grand?
06:49:14ajiuOoh is that what there setlement is
06:49:24ajiuOi idnt ask
06:49:30earHertzyeah, you went to court?
06:49:34ajiuOi just went to court
06:49:53ajiuOended up with a no cash setlment
06:50:18GODGmini...BAD...Archos wants you to buy all these plugins for it...
06:50:20earHertzbut you settled?
06:50:34ajiuOi made the setlment not them
06:50:53earHertzdid you have to give up the reader?
06:51:15earHertzyou should post your story on slashdot
06:51:21ajiuOwell i cauly bot 2 things
06:51:30midknight2k3cauly bot?
06:51:39ajiuOthe lawer admited in court that the programer was legal
06:51:54ajiuOi gues the other thing i bot had other uses thogh i dont know
06:51:56earHertzhe could, but
06:52:47ajiuObut unforutnatly directv must prove that they where harmed by the use of this porduct
06:53:00ajiuOif they cant
06:53:17ajiuOthere is no civle remidy
06:56:29ajiuOtis the ipob specail or somthign
06:56:50ajiuOit seems alot hier prised then comparable stuff
06:56:52midknight2k3i cant understand you
06:56:56midknight2k3yes it is
06:57:01midknight2k3its not good
06:57:03midknight2k3get a recorder 20
06:59:53earHertzIs the Gmini in color/
07:01:53ajiuOwell im gonna get it on my circuit city card and they only have the gmini, the mutimieda 20G, and the av320 witch is out of the question
07:02:02ajiuOis the mutimedia any good
07:02:09midknight2k3i hear its pretty bad
07:02:20midknight2k3screen bleeds, bad ui, all the good stuff
07:02:33earHertzArchos qulaity is spotty
07:02:43midknight2k3get a Rio Karma 20
07:02:45midknight2k3they have it at CC
07:02:52earHertzesp. with the FM and rhe V2
07:02:55midknight2k3i promise you thats the best choice
07:03:11earHertznot that we will support the karma in Rockbox
07:03:19midknight2k3but if you have to have non rockbox
07:03:21midknight2k3get a karma
07:03:25midknight2k3it's imperative
07:04:12ajiuOdoes rockbox only suport archos?
07:04:28midknight2k3and Neo jukebox
07:04:31midknight2k3but thats super old
07:04:35midknight2k3not retail
07:04:38midknight2k3get a karma
07:10:32midknight2k3there ya go
07:14:16ajiuOwor prety small too
07:14:37midknight2k3highly recommended
07:14:42midknight2k3great support too
07:14:47midknight2k3new features such as dock pulse
07:14:53midknight2k3rca out
07:14:55midknight2k3ogg playback
07:14:58midknight2k3FLAC playback
07:15:01midknight2k316 hours battery life
07:15:11midknight2k3astounding sound quality
07:21:36earHertzclosed source
07:21:43midknight2k3boo hoo
07:21:46midknight2k3just like EVERYTHING ELSE
07:22:45scott666except for rockbox...
07:23:02scott666what about that hd-500?
07:23:11midknight2k3but count the other hundred MP3 players out there and, well, ...
07:23:22midknight2k3circuit city doesnt stock it
07:23:26midknight2k3and if they did whod want it
07:23:29midknight2k3the karma is the best
07:23:30earHertzeverybody seems to like the HD-500, excpet the size
07:23:57earHertzhalf the fun for me id writing my own code for the thing. the karma fails it
07:24:26scott666and what if the firmware on the karma sucks?
07:24:54earHertzmidknight2k3wil have to suckit up
07:24:56scott666that completely ruins a palyer
07:25:14earHertzGod, can you imagine running he Archos firmware.
07:25:20midknight2k3it doesnt
07:25:22earHertzslow ugly POS
07:25:23midknight2k3ive messed with it
07:25:28midknight2k3EVERYONE HAS MESSED WITH UIT
07:25:31midknight2k3constant updates
07:25:34midknight2k3its very very nice
07:25:36scott666i used it in the car ride hom
07:25:37earHertzdon't mess with it, you'l go blind
07:25:40scott666that was it
07:25:53ajiuOrca any good??
07:26:04midknight2k3get the karma
07:26:07scott666rva has a player/
07:26:17scott666the karma is also $400
07:26:31midknight2k3$300 or so
07:26:35ajiuOrca has a 40 gig one
07:26:38midknight2k3forget it
07:26:40ajiuOdont knwo about them thogh
07:26:42scott666last time i checked it was 400
07:26:50midknight2k3scott: CHECK AGAIN
07:27:05scott666yeah, i either want a player i can upgrade the HD of, or ones thats 60+ GB
07:27:11earHertzrca consumeer elctronics have a poor rep
07:27:27earHertzaol: me too, scott666
07:27:44scott666and for that, 1.8" drive players suck
07:28:01scott666at least for nwo
07:28:51earHertzplus, I have a 60 already that I can rip out of my fmr
07:30:57earHertzdon't get me wrong, midknight2k3. If the karma were open sopurce, I'd buy one tomorrow
07:31:16midknight2k3thats not what i mean
07:31:21midknight2k3its the next best thing
07:31:27midknight2k3i know about it totally
07:32:52scott666i hate 'next big things'
07:33:00scott666fuck ipod
07:33:22midknight2k3next BEST thing
07:33:36earHertzIpod's getting sued
07:33:44scott666for what?
07:33:52earHertzc;lass action over the battery
07:34:12scott666whats the advertised life of it?
07:35:10scott666i heard they only last ~a year
07:35:27earHertz5000 recharges
07:35:48scott666thats pathetic
07:36:28earHertzbut it .looks/ cool
07:36:42midknight2k3no it doenst does that come out to a year?
07:36:49earHertzmidknight2k3, go to bed
07:37:00scott666is the battery life like 6 hours?
07:37:04midknight2k3ill leave if you wish
07:37:09earHertzt dioesn't
07:37:21earHertzit doesnn'y. Thus teh suit.
07:37:27scott666oh, thats the advertisted time? gotcha
07:37:29earHertzjust kidding, midj
07:37:39midknight2k3ill be quiet
07:37:41*midknight2k3 zips lips
07:37:44earHertzactually, I think they don't advertise a time
07:37:56scott666has anyone tried
07:38:02earHertzit used to be great
07:38:05midknight2k3earhertz started that
07:38:05earHertzno it succks
07:38:09midknight2k3it does
07:38:12earHertznow it sucks'
07:38:19midknight2k3you used to do that a lot
07:38:22scott666they have a 50 free song thing now
07:38:25earHertzthey limited downloads to 40/month from unlimited
07:38:27scott6662 week trial
07:38:33midknight2k3THAT SUCKS
07:38:38earHertzit sucks
07:38:39midknight2k3thats not.. no. its..
07:38:42midknight2k3its not possible
07:38:49earHertzand, they are having all sorts of technical problems
07:39:00earHertzdid you hear that sound?
07:39:08earHertzit's emusic being flushed down a toilet
07:39:14 Part ajiuO
07:39:26scott666i think ill try em out anyway
07:39:33scott66650 free mp3s = good
07:39:44scott666unless they suck
07:39:55midknight2k3OH MAN!
07:39:56scott666in which case its still no loss
07:40:08midknight2k3EMusic Basic: $9.99 per month/40 song downloads
07:40:08midknight2k3EMusic Plus: $14.99 per month/65 song downloads
07:40:08midknight2k3EMusic Premium: $19.99 per month/90 song downloads
07:40:39scott666unlimited would be sweet, but how would they stay in business?
07:40:51scott666id get everything i wanted the first month and then leave
07:41:14midknight2k3they used to have unlimited
07:41:17midknight2k3that SUCKS
07:41:29midknight2k3it used to be like 14.99 a month for unlimited
07:41:36scott666and you download MP3! not wmas
07:54:52midknight2k3back in a few
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07:59:48midknight2k3not on longhon nomores
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10:11:09zYgoathappy Winter Solstice
10:11:13zYgoatand a merry New Orbit
10:11:21midknight2k3hi hi
10:19:47zYgoati want rockbox
10:19:53midknight2k3get it then
10:20:01zYgoatrunning on my iriver ;)
10:20:06midknight2k3what iriver
10:20:32midknight2k3ive got a 390t
10:20:34zYgoatyes the FM reception is usable - which amazed me
10:20:56zYgoatonly advantage to the 590 is i have double the memory
10:21:04midknight2k3oh really
10:21:08midknight2k3but not
10:21:14zYgoati mean flash ram
10:21:21zYgoatnot the 256MB
10:21:28midknight2k3390t = 256mb
10:21:30zYgoatthe memory for the codecs
10:21:34midknight2k3590t = 256mb
10:21:46zYgoatthe players have three different kinds of ram
10:21:49midknight2k3yeah thast a big dea
10:22:26zYgoatthere are so many cool things these players could do
10:22:42zYgoat1: They have a strongarm 16-bit CPU with memory management - i.e. they can run linux
10:22:48midknight2k3yeah right
10:22:57zYgoat2: They have USB - that means they could hook up to external keyboards and hard drives
10:23:04midknight2k3yeah right
10:23:12midknight2k3anything FEASIBLE? :)
10:23:43zYgoati tied a little ribbon to mine
10:23:51midknight2k3thats nice
10:24:05zYgoati am a hax0r
10:24:13midknight2k3i noticed
10:24:15midknight2k3how 1337
10:25:39zYgoatthe flash-based player with external usb drive would be ideal
10:25:48zYgoatleave the drive in the car
10:26:15zYgoatload currently interesting songs into the flash-player
10:26:24zYgoatwalk, hop, frolic
10:26:31zYgoatget back to car - switch-out the songs
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10:34:25midknight2k3methane gas
10:34:42methangasmorning to you too
10:35:20midknight2k3more liek night
10:35:22midknight2k3im TIRED
10:37:25zYgoatE( <> )3
10:37:44*midknight2k3 tilts head sideways
10:37:53midknight2k3is that a face yawning?
10:38:06midknight2k3I WIN
10:38:07methangaswell it's 10:38 am here, so i just got up
10:38:16midknight2k3well its 1:38 am here
10:38:24midknight2k3so time for bed in a few mins
10:38:36zYgoatas far as face = goatse man
10:39:22zYgoatyou were asdasdasd=ing my best ideas
10:39:29zYgoatso you got the 'face' ;)
10:39:40midknight2k3now i get it
10:40:18zYgoatbut you're right - i have no chance of getting those implemented
10:40:22zYgoati'm off for a smoke
10:40:41midknight2k3Smoke Ing Supported
10:42:58methangasbtw who made the danish language pack?
10:43:56methangasjust because some characters doesnt appear, and
10:48:37methangaswell now we just need one with mickey mouse
10:48:48midknight2k3goatse LITE
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11:01:33*zYgoat installs eclipse
11:03:59trakkTEA MAKER
11:04:08midknight2k3gotta go
11:04:09midknight2k3nite all
11:05:21zYgoati am drinking green tea with vanilla and peppermint
11:05:38zYgoata few months ago it would have been beer
11:05:47midknight2k3ha ha
11:06:02Laurent_did you know that Jon Lech Johansen won his trial ?
11:11:35midknight2k3ok really time to go
11:11:38midknight2k3ssya all later
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11:12:09Laurent_are there human beings in this channel or is it bot's land ?
11:15:58trakkTEA MAKER!!!!!!
11:18:41trakkmid loves his sdd
11:21:41zYgoatcontrary to rumour
11:21:44zYgoati am not a robot
11:28:31Arnaudoh M
11:28:32Laurent_great ;)
11:35:55Laurent_does anyone have a gmini here ?
11:38:23trakkI held one
11:39:26Laurent_I guess it does not count ;)
11:40:02Laurent_I'm still hesitating to open mine to see what it has under the hood
11:40:15Laurent_so I'm asking if anyone did it before ;)
11:40:44Laurent_anyhow i'm doing it right now
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11:42:21Laurent_shit i can't unscrew it
11:42:41zYgoatuse the proper size screwdriver
11:42:46zYgoatdon't strip the screws
11:43:08Laurent_yup, it's a hexagonal screw
11:43:24Laurent_real small one
11:43:43Laurent_i need to buy one, let me add it to my shopping list ;)
11:43:56Laurent_that's a good motivation to go shopping ;)
11:46:25Laurent_anyway i had to or i'd starve quite soon ;)
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14:34:10BluechipDoes anyone here know or understand CVS to the degree that they could explain it to a complete dolt? (IE. me)
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18:25:52Bluechipcan anyone help with info on diff?
18:26:29Laurent_aside from 'man diff' i'll be useless :)
18:26:54Bluechipyes, me too, sadly my problem runs deeper than that - I have a conflict of options
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18:27:17Laurent_well, I can always try
18:27:23Laurent_what's the conflict
18:27:26Bluechipokay I shall try to explain...
18:27:46Bluechipthe RB source has lines terminated with spaces and blank lines with indent spaces on them
18:28:02Bluechipmy editor was set to "strip trailing spaces" whilst I was making my mods
18:28:04Laurent_a classic
18:28:22Bluechipso all the blank lines are showing up in my diff
18:28:41BluechipI would propose that the problme should be fixed ...but
18:28:59Laurent_yup me too
18:29:03Bluechiprecently on group was a post "please remove all the white space from your diff" post to another patch writer
18:29:05*Laurent_ hates white spaces
18:29:37BluechipI have patched LOADS of files - so sitting and going thru them all one by one is not reasonable
18:29:50Bluechipso my choice is "ignore whitespace"
18:30:27Bluechipif I do that, (1) the occasioanl blank line I included for readable code is not inserted ...and
18:30:53Bluechip(2) changes I have made to indenting in a couple of places is wrong
18:31:09Bluechipleaving if..then..else structures incorretly indented - nightmare
18:31:09Laurent_I see
18:31:27Laurent_are you using −−ignore-blank-lines ?
18:31:37Bluechipmy best attempt so far is
18:31:47Bluechipdiff -u -r -E -b
18:32:03Bluechipfor some reason "-x *.bak" does nothing >(
18:32:54Bluechiptried "ignore tab expansion" but the blank lines are not strictly "tab expansions" so it does not help
18:33:07Laurent_what's -E ? I can't see it in the man ?
18:33:14Bluechipi need "ignore trailing whitespace"
18:33:35Bluechip -E −−ignore-tab-expansion Ignore changes due to tab expansion.
18:33:42Laurent_perhaps you should do it in two passes
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18:35:13Bluechiphmmm, maybe - might be just as easy to patch it up by hand if it comes to that - just choose my "first" pass wisely to minimise effort
18:35:47Laurent_let me resume
18:35:57Bluechipoop - sorry
18:36:02Laurent_you have made changes to both the code and the trailing white spaces
18:36:16Laurent_no no it's ok, I was just thinking aloud ;)
18:36:32Bluechipjust confinming aloud :P ;)
18:36:44Laurent_you want your trailing white spaces changes to be accepted as changes
18:36:58Bluechipno trailing whitespace must be ignored
18:37:08Laurent_why ?
18:37:28Bluechipor I get hundreds of changes and complaints from the main developers
18:37:40Laurent_ah, ok, now I get it
18:37:51Bluechipme too
18:37:59Laurent_have them rot in hell ;)
18:38:52Bluechipif it were that simple I would just load every file into my editor and do a save all and create a "tidy up whitespace" patch
18:39:03Laurent_yup of course
18:39:48Laurent_that's why I was resuming : always make sure you understood everything before looking for a solution ;)
18:40:49diddystar5Bluechip: i think my really good version of rockbox will be done tomorrow, i just hope that no CVS chnges will be made soon
18:41:01Laurent_have you tried −−ignore-all-space ?
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18:42:00Bluechipsorry, gf interruption
18:42:12Laurent_gf ?
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18:42:39kurzhaarrockerGirfriends usually have nmi
18:42:51kurzhaarrockeryou were faster
18:42:58Bluechipyou typed more ;)
18:43:56Laurent_hum, I might have a solution
18:44:16Laurent_not a clean one though
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18:44:29BluechipLaurent_: no, I don't hold much hope, but will try (−−ignore-all-space)
18:44:35Bluechipoopp - go on...
18:45:14Laurent_get all sources against which you are checking in, pass them through your editor (or script equivalent) then make the diff against them
18:45:26Laurent_not again the real source tree
18:45:39Bluechipooohhh, tha'ts sneaky
18:45:42Laurent_it *should* do it
18:46:00Bluechipand my project file has relative paths in too :)
18:46:22Laurent_sneaky ? got to learn that word ;)
18:46:41Bluechipsorry, not sure if you are after a definition?
18:47:17Laurent_'marked by stealth, furtiveness, or shiftiness' that's it ;)
18:47:41kurzhaarrockerCan somebody make MPEG_FF_REWIND more precise, please? I don't understand half of that code :)
18:47:45Laurent_I was indeed, I'm not a native english speaker ;)
18:48:23Bluechipyes, but also (when used in vernacular (common tongue)) suggests a level of inspiration or intelligence's the thing that seperates programmers from hackers
18:49:13Laurent_i'll take it as a compliment ;)
18:49:29diddystar5kurzhaarrocker: is it not accurate?
18:49:37Bluechip"devious" is the same word, but that suggests a level of "under-handed-ness" or naughty-ness
18:49:44Bluechipit is a compliment
18:50:44kurzhaarrockerdiddy: its behaviour is reproducable in an nearly appropriate way. But it is not frame accurate.
18:51:06Bluechipgonna go eat in about 10mins, but will be playing the withespace game until then.... :)
18:51:26kurzhaarrockerAnd you can't jump at any place within the file.
18:51:57Laurent_ok :)
18:52:29Laurent_just the time i need to unscrew my gmini and see what's under the hood
18:53:00diddystar5kurzhaarrocker: i have no idea how to make it MORE accurate
18:53:01Laurent_(bought a tork screwdriver)
18:53:11diddystar5kurzhaarrocker: what files were you looking at?
18:53:18Laurent_so long warranty, I'll miss you :(
18:53:29kurzhaarrockerespecially firmware/mpeg.h
18:54:30diddystar5kurzhaarrocker: most of the codef or that is in firmware/mpeg.c, but i think a little is in apps/wps.c
18:56:28kurzhaarrocker(mpeg.c was what I meant) I hardly use any apps code in my plugin. For looping I just call MPEG_FF_REWIND.
18:58:12Laurent_do the original archos models have a warranty seal ?
18:58:51Bluechiphairdryer & a scalpal job
18:59:08Laurent_too late :)
18:59:12kurzhaarrockerI think that it is inherent since the MAS for sure buffers a few frames. You'd have to reset it at the cost of latency I assume.
18:59:47kurzhaarrockerLaurent: my 2nd recorder didn't have any warranty seals.
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19:04:28kurzhaarrockermpeg.h /mpeg.c gives quite a high level interface to the sound engine. Some tasks (e.g. a split editor) could utilize more low level functionality like defining the dma transfer borders. But maybe I'm talking rubbish here.
19:06:42hardeepkurzhaarrocker: are you testing on cbr or vbr files?
19:07:18hardeepkurzhaarrocker: for cbr, mpeg_ff_rewind should be accurate
19:07:24hardeepit's not guaranteed with vbr
19:07:57diddystar5hardeep: a patch was added for more accurate vbr rew/ff, i dont know how accurate...
19:08:19kurzhaarrockereven with cbr there are may be fractions of seconds differences when you MPEG_FF_REWIND to the same position.
19:08:41hardeepdiddystar5: that was for vbr files that don't have a toc, in which case you're really just guessing where to move to
19:08:49kurzhaarrockerSomeone made quite an effort to calculate the exact file position.
19:09:18kurzhaarrockerhaardeep there's code for vbr with headers, too
19:09:19hardeepkurzhaarrocker: true, it's all integer math so we can off by a bit
19:09:44hardeepkurzhaarrocker: yes. I'm just saying that with vbr there's no way to go to the exact position, even with the toc
19:09:49kurzhaarrockerthat astonishes me as I throw in identical pffsets.
19:09:53hardeepthe toc just gives you 100 points of reference
19:10:01diddystar5thats all?
19:10:15kurzhaarrockerSomeone made a sub - percent approximation, too
19:10:35hardeepyeah, it's an approximation though
19:10:41hardeeplinear approximation that is
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19:11:49kurzhaarrockerBut this approximation still work with reproducable results. There's no random() in it. And still there are minimal differences when you MPEG_FF_REWIND to the same position.
19:12:21hardeepkurzhaarrocker: hmmm, so you're passing the exact same position twice and getting two different offsets?
19:13:12kurzhaarrockerBut I assume that's the side effect of something else: The position where I interrupt the playback is not that precisely defined. Thus there might be some unplayed frames in the MAS buffer, or something.
19:13:41hardeepkurzhaarrocker: hmm, those should be cleared when you ff_rewind
19:14:37kurzhaarrockerDo you have a recorder?
19:14:53kurzhaarrockerAre you interested in trying the effect?
19:15:19hardeepkurzhaarrocker: I can't right now... maybe later?
19:15:36kurzhaarrockerwhenever you want:
19:16:47hardeepokay, i'll try it out later today
19:17:10kurzhaarrockerDo you know where and how the Mas is cleared while MPEG_FF_REWIND?
19:17:43kurzhaarrockerAll I can find is an initDMA
19:18:23kurzhaarrockerand that's Code I don't understand.
19:18:42hardeepYeah, init_dma is the call that should do it
19:21:29hardeephmmm, one thing you might want to try is calling drain_dma_buffer() before the call to init_dma()
19:22:04kurzhaarrockerI'll give it a try.
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19:31:33diddystar5gotta go
19:31:37diddystar5bye Sebulba02
19:31:52diddystar5and hardeep
19:31:55Laurent_shitty plastic cover
19:32:01Laurent_too affraid to break it
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19:33:33Sebulba02uh, bye
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19:34:19midknight2k3hullo hullo huloo!
19:36:01top_blokehey mid
19:36:30midknight2k3i'm, on, long, horn, ha ha hah aha ha
19:37:13top_blokelatest bloatware?
19:37:20midknight2k3define bloatware
19:37:42top_blokesoftware that takes up tons of space
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19:38:10top_blokewithout really the need for it
19:38:30midknight2k3its not bloated
19:38:34midknight2k3its fun
19:39:24top_blokeis it one cd?
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19:39:36midknight2k3its 660MB download
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19:39:42midknight2k3hey hey
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19:40:06top_blokeat least it fits on 1 cd i guess
19:40:15midknight2k3as is
19:40:22midknight2k3when avalon comes by, it may not
19:40:27midknight2k3but it will be sweeeeet
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19:40:55top_blokeyeah i still use win98
19:41:31top_blokei would be using 95 but it didnt seem to work with my processor
19:41:53top_bloke95 rules
19:42:05Sebulba02its only 16bit, I bet you have a modern 32bit processor
19:42:15midknight2k3no, 95-98-2000-xp-2003-LONGHORN rules
19:42:29citrix7no linux for you?
19:42:41Sebulba02debian owns all that
19:42:43top_blokelinux is like 2 gigs
19:42:47top_bloketalk about bloat
19:42:48midknight2k3its not
19:42:51midknight2k3wtf toopy
19:43:12top_blokei dont know jack about linux
19:43:14citrix7my mandrake installs at about 1.2
19:43:26Sebulba02which is a lot less than xp
19:43:37top_blokeand i wanna be able to play games
19:43:48citrix7i use xp for games
19:43:58midknight2k3wine isnt very good
19:43:58citrix798 for counter strike still :O
19:44:22top_blokewhat exactly are the benfits of linux?
19:44:52Laurent_wine can have some games working
19:44:57citrix7um... for me, not much. but i use it setting up servers for work, so i use it sometimes
19:45:06citrix7its for microsoft haters
19:45:09Laurent_top_bloke: short term or long term ?
19:45:15top_blokeany term
19:46:11Laurent_short term, windows is better, easier, long term : windows will be closed, no open source software only microsoft approved ones, no privacy, no freedom ;)
19:46:32top_blokethats true
19:46:34Laurent_all software locked via palladium : only commercial ones
19:47:20top_blokeis longhorn an early palladium?
19:47:24Laurent_i'm convinced linux can be as user friendly as windows is now
19:47:37top_blokebut its takes work ot do that
19:47:43Laurent_it probably contains some parts of it
19:47:49Laurent_of course, lot of work ;)
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19:59:37citrix7QUESTION: for Anyone who can help me.
19:59:42citrix7I have a recorder 15
20:00:02citrix7charged my batts for about 3 hours then started using the archos. (i got new batts) anyway, the batt numbers were going down FAST!! then it went from like 70 to 25.....
20:00:17citrix7then about 10 min later, just quit on me. then i got home and turned it on and charged it while using it for 1/ hour. now when i turn it on tells me 100 with 3 hours left....
20:00:31citrix7played for about 20 min....on 100 the whoole time. then just shut off again
20:00:49citrix7i never did charge it overnight. i was using it right away. but the batt meter tells me 100, then it shuts off, then wont start again.
20:01:01citrix7 i am using rockbox, but not when it is charging. it seems to be the archos charger
20:01:19citrix7but when i charged it in ROCKBOX, after about an hour, it shows fully charged. 100% even with charger still in. like it thinks its done
20:01:45citrix7then cant turn back on until plugged in again
20:02:13Sebulba02you killed the batteries
20:02:34Sebulba02by not letting them charge long enough the initial time
20:02:48midknight2k3is that even possible?
20:02:49citrix7now they are gone? i just got them today
20:02:53Sebulba02midknight2k3: yes
20:03:00midknight2k3cool! :)
20:03:09Sebulba02citrix7: they aren't gone, they just won't last long
20:03:24citrix7but the meter in rockbox says wrong info
20:03:30Sebulba02midknight2k3: the initial charge sets the max the batteries can hold, hense why it says in the manual charge for like 12 hours with no interrupt
20:03:41midknight2k3wow thats cool
20:03:44midknight2k3i never knew that
20:04:09citrix7i cant discharge then re-charge them?
20:04:11Laurent_that might be reversible though
20:04:21Sebulba02deep discharge?
20:04:30citrix7using rockbox?
20:04:38Laurent_no, using a resistor
20:06:22Laurent_sorry, better try with rockbox ;)
20:06:34citrix7how can i tell if rockbox is DEEP DISCAHRGING. the batt looks the same as normal charge
20:06:47Laurent_citrix7: run it until it stops
20:06:59Laurent_have you got a voltmeter ?
20:07:00citrix7but then i cant get back into rockbox
20:07:21Sebulba02check the charge setting
20:07:26Laurent_if you can't get back then your battery is discharged
20:07:46citrix7but then when i go back inot rockbox, it says full after 1 hour
20:08:19Laurent_citrix7: that's no problem, let it run until it stops because batteries are drained
20:08:38citrix7then use archos charger?
20:09:12Sebulba02turn it to charge as deep discharge instead of normal
20:09:20citrix7i did
20:09:26Laurent_can you do that : plug the charger, start rockbox, unplug charger, play tunes indefinitely (or keep browsing the hard disk) until it stops because the batteries are drained
20:10:03Laurent_citrix7: does rockbox have a deep discharge setting ? I didn't know
20:10:16citrix7but when i reboot, the archos charger comes up. not rockbox.
20:10:16midknight2k3it does
20:10:17Sebulba02yes, it does
20:10:45Laurent_great, then that should do it exactly
20:11:13citrix7no, when i do deep discharge, rockbox batt monitor looks the same as normal charging
20:11:23Sebulba02so what
20:11:42Sebulba02its the algorythm being used thats different
20:12:17citrix7ok, so i will leave the rockbox running tonight like its on, and let it do its thing.
20:12:42Sebulba02if you mean leave it on charging, then yeah
20:12:47citrix7tomorrow, if i have same problem, then i guess my new batts are gone
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20:13:16Sebulba02& you learned a valuable lesson
20:13:56Laurent_to be clear what you must do is : load the battery for 12 plain hours, then play until the batteries are completely drained
20:14:03citrix7yea, 30$ valuable
20:14:17Laurent_the lesson being : "read the manual" ;)
20:14:27citrix7dont have
20:14:40citrix7got this from a friend
20:14:45Laurent_ok, so it's "have the manual (and read it)" ;)
20:14:46citrix7had to buy charger and batts
20:14:56Sebulba02they have it online
20:15:03citrix7thanks for all your help
20:15:19Laurent_wait until it works to thank ;)
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20:21:18Bluechiphey Laurent, any idea why "-x *.bak" is failing me in diff?
20:22:03Laurent_is it comparing .bak even then ?
20:22:12Bluechipyes ?:(
20:22:22Laurent_.BAK ?
20:22:29Bluechipno, lcs
20:22:45Laurent_ah ok I see, it's bash
20:22:51Laurent_try -x \*.bak
20:23:08Laurent_bash is interpreting the star, with a \ it won't
20:24:28Bluechipwell done - experience wins the day again :)
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20:24:52Bluechipwould have taken me weeks to spot that! lol
20:25:05Laurent_errare humanum est, sed perseverare diabolicum
20:25:23Bluechipnever seen that in Latin before :)
20:26:44Laurent_my mother was a latin teacher ;)
20:26:56Bluechiplol - handy :)
20:26:57Laurent_(she's retired)
20:27:26Bluechiphence why your english is better than most birts
20:28:21Laurent_thanks, but it's probably more classical
20:29:29Bluechipyou'd sertainly have a better chance at finding a use for the word sesquipedalian than most people I've ever met :)
20:29:51Laurent_well, I'm too afraid to force while opening the case... it's going to be long ;)
20:30:06Laurent_sesquipedalian ? huh, not sure I can use that word ;)
20:30:28Bluechipit defines itself very nicely
20:30:58Laurent_oh I see ;)
20:31:22Laurent_(thanks merriam webster)
20:32:15midknight2k3hey top_bloke
20:32:17midknight2k3hi Bluechip
20:32:20midknight2k3hello Sebulba02
20:33:06Bluechipevenin mk
20:33:48midknight2k3morning bc
20:34:20Laurent_does anyone here have a x ray camera ?
20:34:26midknight2k3I... WISH I DID
20:34:26Laurent_that'd be helpful ;)
20:34:49Bluechipthe first sony camcorders with nite vision could see thru clothing if that's any help
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20:35:29Laurent_that'd be if I were trying to unlock some girls clothing but i'm trying to undress my gmini instead
20:35:31Bluechipon a more serious note, it depends on why - if it is important i am owed a favour or two
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20:37:35*Laurent_ tries a bigger screwdriver
20:37:51Bluechipahhhhh, thought you might be trying to look under bga chips
20:39:12Laurent_well, I'm trying to reach the chips first ;)
20:39:33Bluechipso what is a "gmini"?
20:40:19Laurent_this is a gmini :
20:41:48Bluechipcool - the new jukebox
20:42:10BluechipCF & WMA
20:42:16midknight2k3and PAY FOR PLUGINS
20:42:23midknight2k3its like 20 bux for fm recorder
20:42:27midknight2k330 for cf reader
20:42:31midknight2k320 for recording
20:42:33midknight2k3something like that
20:42:42Bluechipcheeky b*strds
20:43:13midknight2k3money to enable hardware in the device
20:43:18Laurent_two plugins free in france where I got it
20:43:28Bluechipany got and tried a plugin yet and if so I hope they packet logged the entire transaction
20:43:48Bluechiphow are they free - magic serial to type in?
20:43:56Laurent_but my goal was to have rockbox on it : once the hardware is known, no more plugins to pay
20:44:02midknight2k3i think you give em your serial
20:44:08Laurent_yup serial number of the gmini
20:44:10midknight2k3and they give you a plugin JUST FOR your box
20:44:14midknight2k3so you cant download it free
20:44:52Bluechipwonder what encrpytion they're using
20:45:11midknight2k3Serial Dumb Decryption = SDD
20:48:21Laurent_anyone got a saw ?
20:48:43midknight2k3if someone didnt saws wouldnt exist
20:49:08Laurent_was that a pun ?
20:49:18midknight2k3just info
20:50:02Laurent_i don't get it even though ;)
20:50:50midknight2k3back in a few
20:50:53midknight2k3sdd akk
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20:51:04Laurent_still don't, call me dumb
20:51:16MidK|BRBi didnt
20:51:25MidK|BRBok wait
20:51:29MidK|BRBlisten carefully
20:51:31Laurent_I got it
20:51:36MidK|BRBok lol
20:51:38Laurent_nobody in the world
20:51:51MidK|BRBback in a efw
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20:58:25Bluechipanyone here use the x11 simulator?
20:58:46Laurent_no, sorry
20:58:54Laurent_not yet at least
20:59:04Bluechipbefore I try, do you know if it will even build on a windows box
20:59:17Laurent_no idea
20:59:23Bluechipwill try...
20:59:33Laurent_with cygwin ?
20:59:39Bluechipwith cygwin
20:59:49Laurent_logically it should
20:59:57Laurent_cygwin is pretty good
21:00:16Bluechipthat's cool - just wanted to check - don't want to end up chasing a non-existent tail
21:00:30Laurent_but I might be wrong ;)
21:00:48Bluechipmeh - you and me - that's double the votes i had two minutes ago :)
21:01:48Laurent_no way to open the damn box
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21:02:01midknight2k3i use it sometimes
21:02:16Bluechipyour dev kit stable?
21:02:22midknight2k3yull need a full cygwin to build it on windows i think
21:02:29midknight2k3i dunno anymore
21:02:34midknight2k3i dont think so
21:02:40Bluechipcould be more aggro than it is worht then
21:03:12midknight2k3wont RUN on windows
21:03:23Bluechipyes, thanks
21:04:47Laurent_ YEAGJ
21:04:59Laurent_huh I mean YEAH
21:06:08Laurent_I got it
21:06:25Laurent_please call me king ;)
21:06:29midknight2k3tell me
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21:07:36Laurent_ huh wait
21:07:50Laurent_got to negociate keyboard access with the cat :)
21:08:10Laurent_I managed to open the gmini
21:08:12earHertzSeen Linus?
21:08:22midknight2k3not around
21:08:23midknight2k3hope soon
21:08:33midknight2k3prolly within the next few hours
21:09:32Laurent_oh, broke it a bit in the process
21:09:44Laurent_nothing important hopefully
21:09:51Bluechipannoying or bad news?
21:09:52Laurent_some plastic clips
21:09:58Laurent_yup nothing
21:10:15Laurent_science sometimes requires sacrifice ;)
21:10:50Laurent_still runs ok
21:11:02midknight2k3i want pictures
21:11:07midknight2k3do you have a camera
21:11:14Laurent_problem now : continue opening the gmini with cat on left arm
21:11:30earHertzScience? I thought you were protesting Archos's new business policy. ;)
21:14:58Bluechipkeyboards are surprisingly far more water tolerant than most cats
21:16:30Laurent_some cats love water
21:16:46Laurent_mine jumped in my father's bath once ;)
21:16:53midknight2k3mine sat in the sink
21:16:59Bluechip*most* ....rules are for fools to follow and for Wise Men to be guided by :)
21:17:03midknight2k3and i turned on the water and it just stayed there getting wet
21:17:18Bluechiphmmm, the xsim build fails horrifically, even from a daily tar ball
21:17:49Bluechipguess you need *n?x to build it at all :(
21:17:55Laurent_i'd have been afraid him to be flushed
21:18:03earHertzCats don't like orange. Spritx some oramge essense on it, the cat will go away.
21:18:37Bluechipanyone here got a unix box to hand?
21:20:37Bluechipdo you have any idea how annoying that is dude?
21:21:27midknight2k3is "sdd" any better?
21:22:13midknight2k3but man its my means of communication. we lower life forms prefer simple words that come out by banging the typie thingy than inputting long lones of large readable words.
21:22:44Bluechipthat's cool too just so you knew :)
21:22:47earHertzit's highly annoyijng, midknight2k3
21:23:05earHertzit also probbaly annoys anyone reading the logs
21:23:30midknight2k3but.. but...
21:24:09Bluechipwe each have our own ways of making friends and enemies - lol
21:24:24earHertzscrew you, jerkoff. ;)
21:25:27Laurent_i'm going to be annoying but what does all those abbrevs mean ?
21:25:39BluechipQuad Erat Demonstradum
21:26:03earHertzEer, Quod
21:26:13*Bluechip ducks as his spelling is corrected :)
21:26:22Bluechip"People called Romans, they go the house"
21:26:29Laurent_hum, that's CQFD in french
21:26:37Laurent_and for SDD ?
21:26:45midknight2k3dfh i say!
21:26:54midknight2k3listen carefully all
21:26:58Bluechipmk getting bored and seeking attention :)
21:26:58midknight2k3SDD = nothing
21:26:58earHertzIt means, "Thta is Demonstrated" in Latin
21:27:00midknight2k3ASDF = nothing
21:27:03midknight2k3DFAD = nothign
21:27:34earHertzIs a beat-down a form of attention?
21:27:57midknight2k3heres a nifty trick
21:28:13midknight2k3move your fingers offset 1 key to the left, and then thry and type in SDD
21:28:13Laurent_by the way, i'm on a linux box, someone asked this
21:28:35midknight2k3Laurent_ are there pictures
21:28:59Bluechipindeed - if/when you get 5 mins, I like you to help me test my patch
21:29:11Laurent_there is one, I have to get the cf card out, plug it in the archos, then usb it to the linux
21:29:29midknight2k3i mean
21:31:21Laurent_plus i'm copying all my pictures to make sure I can erase the CF card (dont want to mix subject)
21:31:24Laurent_plus i'm slow ;)
21:40:49midknight2k3an idea for project name for rockbox:
21:42:30Laurent_ok got it
21:44:18Laurent_go look there :
21:44:48Laurent_too bad the gmini can't copy pictures while attached to PC via USB
21:45:06midknight2k3looks neat
21:45:16midknight2k3take s'more so at the end you can put them all up :D
21:45:58Laurent_of course, but I'll redo a batch of photos in the correct order once I figure how to do everything properly
21:49:53Bluechiplooks like one missing plastic arrow-head will be trivial
21:51:35Bluechipyou've got some weird keys on your keyboard - lol
21:51:53Laurent_french keyboard ;)
21:52:12midknight2k3oo i wanna see
21:52:34Laurent_part of the cat is visible at bottom right ;)
21:52:35midknight2k3cool its the curvy L with a line in it key
21:53:01Laurent_it's the british pound symbol
21:53:31Bluechipyes, what's with a British icon on a French keyboard?
21:54:15Laurent_notice, there's a dollar too on the same key, probably all the important money symbols when keyboards were invented ;)
21:54:37Bluechipno quake II money back in them days
21:55:40Bluechipright - off to spend more "quality time" with the missus - lol
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22:10:07Laurent_so, back to the gmini
22:10:20midknight2k3yea woooo
22:11:25Laurent_I managed to have good focus settings on my camera so next pics won't be blurry
22:14:14Laurent_shit i dont remember how the metallic plate went
22:14:30Laurent_good thing I have the picture
22:14:32midknight2k3putting it back together?
22:14:48Laurent_ok, I'm going to make pictures all the long right now or i'm dead ;)
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22:26:17Laurent_it's even harder after removing the first half
22:26:38midknight2k3dunt bust it
22:26:42Laurent_this is not a jukebox, it's a chinese puzzle
22:28:01Laurent_ok I get it
22:28:59Laurent_I wonder if they made it harder voluntarily
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22:29:50midknight2k3did you make that track splitter right
22:30:03kurzhaarrockerIm still on it
22:30:20midknight2k3i dont know what the keys do can you write some info?
22:30:36kurzhaarrockerYes, I will.
22:31:12kurzhaarrockerdoes anybody know wether there was a serious reason, why playlist_peek is not a real callback function?
22:32:05midknight2k3kurz: you know the progress bar you made for the saving of the track?
22:32:13Laurent_probably ;)
22:32:29kurzhaarrockerIt doesn't go to the very right? :)
22:33:40Laurent_hum, I lack hands
22:33:42midknight2k3put it at the wps
22:33:44midknight2k3i like it better
22:34:02kurzhaarrockerThe progress bar?
22:34:04Laurent_I guess those machines are assembled by xenomorph workers
22:34:19kurzhaarrockerwhat the %$ is xenomorph
22:34:22Laurent_with at least 10 fingers per hand and 4 or 5 hands
22:34:45midknight2k3or make the existing one "fill up" liek yours
22:34:59midknight2k3i like fill up better than squre moving
22:35:32kurzhaarrockerHm. I didn't invent it. It was in the api for ever. :)
22:35:46midknight2k3can you make a aptch for it
22:35:46Laurent_xenomorph are an alien species from a very bad movie ;)
22:36:26Laurent_for the xenomorph ?
22:37:24kurzhaarrockermy life is a bad movie, too
22:37:56Laurent_compared to this movie, it's probably a woody allen ;)
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22:38:42midknight2k3gotta go all
22:38:48midknight2k3bakc later
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22:39:45Laurent_ok now I get it
22:40:59Laurent_how to remove the second half of the cover
22:41:11Laurent_without breaking the plastic bumper
22:41:25kurzhaarrockerdisassembling your gmini?
22:43:51Laurent_archos are evil
22:44:09kurzhaarrockerThen what are rockboxers?
22:44:34Laurent_guardian angels
22:45:22Laurent_ugh.. almost trashed the lcd with the screwdriver
22:45:35Laurent_note for next time : be careful
22:46:38Laurent_ok if I can't remove that cover within 5 minutes I invoke a demon
22:47:29Infornogr4phyi like my archos...i'm just afraid of two things... ARCHOS TECH SUPPORT...and archos MANUFACTURING....
22:47:32Laurent_like Bill Gates
22:47:37Infornogr4phyoh wait, and the price...
22:47:39Infornogr4phythere we go.
22:47:45Laurent_that should scare the bejesus out of this machine
22:48:18kurzhaarrockerSounds as if you train your gmini to do 2004 fireworks :)
22:48:43Laurent_I hope not ;)
22:51:27Laurent_I wonder if an IRM would help ?
22:51:42Laurent_hum, no it would probably trash the hard disk
22:51:43kurzhaarrockerWhat's an irm?
22:52:19Laurent_that's french for Imagerie Resonnance Magntique
22:53:05Laurent_Nuclear Magnetic resonance imagery
22:53:15Laurent_ie scanner
22:54:30kurzhaarrockerA medical device? Not like x-ray?
22:55:18Laurent_scans and builds a 3D image of organs
22:57:31Laurent_(in french)
22:58:25Laurent_ (english)
23:02:38kurzhaarrockerHope I never need one.
23:03:29Laurent_it's so precise that they often detect minor defects that would not be detected otherwise
23:03:56kurzhaarrockerI thought that's what we have Zagor for.
23:04:00Laurent_like, oh look, there's a small unusual bend on that vein, and so on
23:04:44earHertzan MRI in English
23:04:47Laurent_if zagor can scan through gmini covers I have a use for him then ;)
23:07:24Laurent_I can't believe I can't remove this cover
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23:07:41*kurzhaarrocker passes Laurent_ an axe
23:08:04Sebulba02slege hammer would be better
23:08:10earHertzthe cover may be held down by flanges on the sides
23:08:53earHertz\ <−− flange
23:09:02Laurent_yup I have identified them and they are now unclipped, but there seem to remain some under the cover
23:09:19Laurent_if that were true then the cover could not be removed once plugged
23:10:01earHertzcheck for screws on the bootom
23:10:03earHertzcheck for screws holding the front cover to the pcb
23:11:01Laurent_there seem to be none
23:11:34Laurent_but i've got an idea : the front cover might be sealed to the lcd & electronic board
23:11:52Laurent_so I should try to unplug the hard drive to gain access to the electronic
23:12:28Laurent_has anyone answered my post on the list btw ?
23:12:31Laurent_that might help :)
23:13:00earHertzno one has
23:19:10Laurent_what a lonesome cowboy I am ;)
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23:20:09Laurent_why ?
23:21:33Laurent_ok this solution looks good
23:21:45earHertzsorry tyou yaven't more help
23:22:19Laurent_YES !
23:22:21Laurent_got it!
23:22:23kurzhaarrockerI could give you a split editor - but it's for mp3 and not for gminis
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23:24:08Laurent_sorry no pics, I can't transfer them now that the HD is unplugged :)
23:25:08Laurent_the hard drives makes a cling noise when fliped
23:25:19Laurent_I hope it's normal
23:25:24kurzhaarrockerIs it an IBM?
23:25:40Laurent_an Itachi travelstar
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23:26:56meshugaanyone ever had:
23:26:56meshugausb-storage: *** thread sleeping.
23:26:57meshuga Vendor: HITACHI_ Model: DK23DA-20 Rev: 00J2
23:26:57DBUGEnqueued KICK meshuga
23:26:57meshuga Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
23:26:57meshugausb-storage: queuecommand() called
23:26:59meshugausb-storage: *** thread awakened.
23:27:00Laurent_should I open the window first ?
23:27:01meshugausb-storage: Bad target number (1/0)
23:27:03meshugausb-storage: *** thread sleeping.
23:27:05meshugausb-storage: queuecommand() called
23:27:07meshugausb-storage: *** thread awakened.
23:27:09meshugausb-storage: Bad target number (2/0)
23:27:13meshugahappen to them when they tried to connect archos to linux?
23:27:15meshugai just got it back from RMA
23:27:17meshugaand now this bullshit
23:27:32meshugaLinux reflect 2.4.21 #6 Thu Aug 21 00:09:37 PDT 2003 i686 unknown
23:28:03kurzhaarrockerLaurent: not necessary: it'll burst its way free anyway
23:28:04kurzhaarrockerIBM used to make drives calles travelstar and they do cklick when turned.
23:28:24Laurent_ok the front cover is "screwed" to the board
23:28:32Laurent_if I may say so ;)
23:28:54Laurent_kurzhaarrocker: it looks like Itachi bought a stock from IBM of these
23:29:08meshugaor does the archos recorder 20 use a different usb chipset?
23:29:39kurzhaarrockerThe recorder 20 uses the isd300 chip, the older models isd200, afaik
23:30:09Laurent_there's one visible chip on board : smsc USB97C202-MN-03
23:30:42meshugaNote 2: The In-System ISD-300 chip (05ab/0060) is a fully USB Mass Storage compliant chip, and therefore does not require a special driver. Just plug it in. If you want to take advantage of its' USB2.0 functionality (and you have a USB2.0 controller), you need to add USB2.0 support to your kernel. Otherwise it works just fine in USB1.1 mode too.
23:31:27CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:31:27*kurzhaarrocker *shrugs* again
23:36:04Laurent_ "USB97C202 USB 2.0 ATA/ATAPI Controller"
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23:39:22spghi !!!
23:40:34spgIs a person who can helpme, I have a problem with video tools
23:41:03kurzhaarrockerI can't
23:41:15meshugausb-storage: USB Mass Storage device detected
23:41:15meshugausb-storage: Endpoints: In: 0xcfde2894 Out: 0xcfde2880 Int: 0xcfde28a8 (Period 9)
23:41:15meshugausb-storage: Found existing GUID 05ab0060fffffffffff7d96a
23:41:15meshugaWARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
23:41:15meshugaUSB Mass Storage device found at 4
23:41:16***Alert Mode level 1
23:41:16meshugaroot@altered:/usr/src/linux# cat /proc/bus/usb
23:41:18meshugacat: /proc/bus/usb: Invalid argument
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23:42:37Sebulba02meshuga: thats, uh, interesting..
23:43:26Laurent_ah shit , i broke a metallic part
23:44:08Laurent_can be soldered back I hoe
23:44:23Sebulba02what are you doing?
23:44:26meshugaSebulba02 : i'd say, annoying.
23:44:29meshugaany ideas?
23:45:01meshugai guess i'll go plug it in the gfs wintendo box :(
23:45:11Sebulba02meshuga: looks like the disc is f'd up somehow, that'd be a good step
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23:45:38meshugai just got it back from RMA
23:45:51Sebulba02heh, maybe you need to reformat it?
23:46:40Guest1does anyone know about rockbox and pda issues
23:47:03kurzhaarrockerrockbox is not (yet) a pda
23:47:04Sebulba02rockbox and pda issues? I wasn't aware rockbox would work on a pda
23:47:19Guest1well, that's kinda what i'm asking about
23:47:39Guest1it seems that all you need is a usb host controller for the pda right?
23:48:20kurzhaarrocker? what do you want to do with a jukebox and a pda?
23:48:35Sebulba02expand its harddrive?
23:49:01Guest1just want to be able to access the storage of the archos from my pocket pc
23:49:31Laurent_then you don't need rockbox on your archos nor your pda
23:49:32kurzhaarrockerThere's nothing rockbox can do then. Drivers for the pda are necessary.
23:50:10Guest1nobody is making drivers for the archos for pocket pc then?
23:50:35kurzhaarrockerZagor made the Linux driver, I think
23:50:40Laurent_Guest1: what you need is an usb storage driver for your pda
23:50:52Laurent_not specifically for the archos
23:51:07kurzhaarrockerbut for the isd200 / isd300 chip
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23:51:28Guest1laurant: ive tried a few none seem to work - kurz: i was looking into that but i don't have an ipaq
23:52:25Guest1kurz: what do you mean the isd300/isd200 chip
23:52:50kurzhaarrockerThat is the USB slave chip that makes the jukebox behave as an external usb drive.
23:53:08Laurent_shit, I need to unsolder to gain access to the interesting part of the board
23:53:45Guest1so there is a linux driver for the archos slave chip
23:54:04kurzhaarrockerask meshuga about that :D
23:54:34kurzhaarrockermeshuga is _now_ fighting with it
23:54:47meshugaok works fantastic in linux
23:54:52meshugaer windows 2000
23:55:15Laurent_Guest1: what os do you have on your pocket pc ?
23:55:38Guest1laurent pocket pc 2002, it's toshiba genio
23:56:08Laurent_so it's windows ce
23:56:44Guest1yeah, when i connect through the usb - it asks me the name of the driver i would like to install
23:57:07kurzhaarrockerguest1: what did you mean by "but i don't have an ipaq"? Have you seen isd200 drivers for an ipaq?
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23:57:32Guest1kurz: i heard you can run linux on an ipaq
23:57:40meshugayou can
23:57:42meshugait rules
23:58:03meshugai dont think ipaqs have usb host controllers
23:58:09meshugaso you couldnt connect an archos
23:58:13meshugabut casios do
23:58:23meshugaand i *thought* a variant of linux ran on them
23:58:31meshugae115? rings a bell
23:58:34Guest1meshuga: can you run familiar on a toshiba genio
23:58:41meshugano idea

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