| 00:00:09 | Bluechip | there is no clear.exe in the kit - you are right |
| 00:00:11 | Sebulba02 | Or maybe I only did clear, I forget. Either way, I've got my own linux environment back up :) |
| 00:00:43 | Bluechip | does "clear" just to "cls"? |
| 00:00:50 | Bluechip | to->do |
| 00:01:36 | Sebulba02 | yeah, would be the same thing, I guess |
| 00:01:44 | Sebulba02 | just "clear" is more l33t ;) |
| 00:01:54 | Bluechip | ooohhhh |
| 00:04:25 | Bluechip | alias clear='echo <ascii_code>' |
| 00:05:08 | Sebulba02 | hmm |
| 00:06:51 | kurzhaarrocker | No commits today |
| 00:06:56 | * | kurzhaarrocker is disappointed |
| 00:07:10 | Bluechip | ohhh, this whiskey is doing it's job ...how do i sorround a #define with quotes? |
| 00:07:30 | Sebulba02 | surround a #define with quotes? wtf for? |
| 00:08:19 | Bluechip | -DTHISDIR=/cygdrive/c/mydir |
| 00:08:19 | Bluechip | browse("THISDIR") |
| 00:09:08 | Sebulba02 | Wouldn't you do it that way? :) |
| 00:09:20 | kurzhaarrocker | Blue: Aha! You're using cygwin. But you don't use gdb? |
| 00:10:07 | Bluechip | there are always a hundred solutions to the quotes dilemma- just after the (a) easiest and (b) the one that makes me learn something new :) |
| 00:10:26 | Bluechip | don't use a debugger! - lol |
| 00:11:02 | Sebulba02 | debuggers are for wimps, just stick printf's everywhere :) |
| 00:11:09 | Bluechip | :) |
| 00:11:22 | kurzhaarrocker | the DEBUGF doesn't work in plugins |
| 00:11:31 | Bluechip | or write good code in the first place :) LOL |
| 00:11:38 | Bluechip | ahhaaa - fix it then! |
| 00:11:46 | Bluechip | lol |
| 00:11:47 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:12:15 | Bluechip | kurz: you on linux? |
| 00:12:15 | Sebulba02 | yeah, if we all wrote perfect code all the time, the world would be perfect, but were all only human. |
| 00:12:30 | kurzhaarrocker | blue: no, xp with cygwin |
| 00:12:34 | Bluechip | nanu nanu eathling |
| 00:12:51 | Bluechip | how do you get plugins going - I'm just fixing that!? |
| 00:13:06 | Bluechip | hence my "thisdir" question |
| 00:13:14 | kurzhaarrocker | I can get plugins going in the simulator. |
| 00:13:19 | Bluechip | how? |
| 00:13:23 | Bluechip | dont work for me |
| 00:13:39 | kurzhaarrocker | I just start the sim, browse with it to the *.rock and execute it. Voila |
| 00:13:55 | Bluechip | ahh - but the "plugins" menu option doesn't work! |
| 00:14:10 | scott666 | why not? |
| 00:14:22 | Bluechip | cos it doesn't point to "THISDIR" |
| 00:14:26 | kurzhaarrocker | I assume that is because it relies that the plugins are stored in .rockbox. I haven't tried to shove them there yet. |
| 00:14:28 | Bluechip | in quotes |
| 00:14:44 | * | kurzhaarrocker tries now |
| 00:15:31 | | Part touf |
| 00:19:17 | kurzhaarrocker | It works for me. |
| 00:20:08 | kurzhaarrocker | I made a directory c:\.rockbox\rocks , put something in and the plugin browser found it, executed it - fine. |
| 00:20:36 | Bluechip | right - you'vehacked it - it is SUPPOSED to work in situ - |
| 00:21:00 | Bluechip | compile; run; plugins :) |
| 00:21:13 | kurzhaarrocker | Me not hacked nothing. |
| 00:21:31 | Bluechip | did you create c:\.rockbox\rocks on your hdd? |
| 00:21:37 | kurzhaarrocker | yes |
| 00:21:42 | Bluechip | that's a hack |
| 00:21:45 | Bluechip | a bodge |
| 00:21:45 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 00:21:47 | Bluechip | or frig |
| 00:21:52 | Bluechip | as you prefer |
| 00:21:53 | kurzhaarrocker | Cool I'm a hacker! |
| 00:21:57 | Bluechip | maybe "work-around" |
| 00:22:22 | Bluechip | you are indeed |
| 00:22:27 | * | kurzhaarrocker searches his links for the online dictionary |
| 00:22:30 | Bluechip | welcome |
| 00:22:37 | Bluechip | one who uses a computer with great skill |
| 00:22:43 | Bluechip | to paraphrase mine |
| 00:23:06 | Bluechip | "esp. an amateur" |
| 00:24:00 | Bluechip | still buggered on how to put a #define value in a string |
| 00:25:29 | kurzhaarrocker | #ifdef MYDEFINE |
| 00:25:29 | kurzhaarrocker | char mydefine[]= "MYDEFINE"; |
| 00:25:29 | kurzhaarrocker | #endif |
| 00:25:30 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK kurzhaarrocker |
| 00:25:30 | kurzhaarrocker | ? |
| 00:25:56 | Bluechip | #ifdef mydefine==c:\ |
| 00:25:56 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bluechip |
| 00:25:56 | Bluechip | char mydefine[]= "MYDEFINE"; |
| 00:25:56 | Bluechip | #endif |
| 00:26:03 | Bluechip | sorry |
| 00:26:16 | Bluechip | #ifdef mydefine==c:\ |
| 00:26:16 | Bluechip | char mydefine[]= "c:\"; |
| 00:26:16 | Bluechip | #endif |
| 00:27:01 | | Join Laurent_ [0] (~laurent@dyn-81-166-193-103.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 00:27:26 | Laurent_ | hi |
| 00:27:43 | kurzhaarrocker | #if mydefine==c: |
| 00:27:43 | kurzhaarrocker | char mydefine[] = "c:\"; |
| 00:27:43 | kurzhaarrocker | #endif //? |
| 00:27:44 | Bluechip | ho |
| 00:28:00 | Bluechip | the solution is |
| 00:28:01 | kurzhaarrocker | Laurent: Merry xMAS. |
| 00:28:16 | Bluechip | #define MyDirSTR # MyDir |
| 00:28:19 | Laurent_ | yup, merry Xmas too :) |
| 00:28:23 | Laurent_ | thanks |
| 00:28:35 | kurzhaarrocker | nono, xMAS, the extendes MAS chip! |
| 00:28:38 | Bluechip | but our pre-processor has no idea how to handle it! |
| 00:29:01 | Laurent_ | does anyone have a copy of Bjorn's linenberg gmini120.zip ? |
| 00:29:12 | Laurent_ | kurzhaarrocker: nice one ;) |
| 00:29:40 | kurzhaarrocker | me hasn't |
| 00:30:28 | Laurent_ | this archived mail (http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-10/0472.shtml) says it's there (http://www.linenberg.com/gmini120.zip) but it's not anymore :( |
| 00:31:42 | kurzhaarrocker | Well, you might ask him via the mailing list. |
| 00:31:58 | Laurent_ | clever |
| 00:32:19 | Laurent_ | either it's clever, either i'm dumb, so i'll say it's clever ;) |
| 00:32:19 | scott666 | heh |
| 00:32:56 | kurzhaarrocker | well, it wasn't stupid to look in the chat. Last time he was here was 7 day, 3 hours ago |
| 00:33:02 | scott666 | wtf? you cant uninstall wmp?? |
| 00:33:10 | Sebulba02 | nope |
| 00:33:21 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 26 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:33:21 | * | scott666 googles |
| 00:33:24 | Bluechip | what?? |
| 00:33:35 | Sebulba02 | its as much built into the os as ie is |
| 00:33:38 | scott666 | its not in the remove programs list |
| 00:33:42 | Bluechip | oh |
| 00:33:50 | kurzhaarrocker | what is wmp? |
| 00:33:55 | Bluechip | just slap kazaa-lit codec pack over the top :) |
| 00:33:56 | Sebulba02 | windows media player |
| 00:34:52 | kurzhaarrocker | can it play rockbox video files? |
| 00:35:03 | Sebulba02 | heh, yeah right |
| 00:37:06 | * | scott666 considers just deleteing the folder |
| 00:37:16 | Bluechip | not a smart move :( |
| 00:37:17 | Sebulba02 | It won't let you |
| 00:37:30 | kurzhaarrocker | scott have you tried tweak ui? |
| 00:37:48 | Sebulba02 | tweakui is the shiznitz |
| 00:37:50 | kurzhaarrocker | Maybe it's worth a try |
| 00:38:09 | Bluechip | really,forget it, it's M$ BS ...just slap kazaa-lite codec pack on - you will not be sorry |
| 00:38:29 | kurzhaarrocker | is shiznitz a good or an evil word? |
| 00:38:30 | Sebulba02 | Or use something better, like winamp5 |
| 00:38:41 | Sebulba02 | kurzhaarrocker: good |
| 00:39:20 | scott666 | i _am_ using winamp 5 |
| 00:39:21 | | Join Guest [0] (~jirc@dial-62-64-201-126.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 00:39:27 | Laurent_ | posted |
| 00:39:50 | Laurent_ | kurzhaarrocker: what's his nick here btw ? hum, wait, this is on the web site |
| 00:39:53 | Sebulba02 | Then why are you worried a bout wmp? |
| 00:40:00 | Sebulba02 | about8 |
| 00:40:01 | Sebulba02 | * |
| 00:40:40 | kurzhaarrocker | Laurent_: elinenbe |
| 00:40:41 | Guest | ok a newbie here..........need a bit of clarification please.........oh and a jolly happy christmas to one and all! |
| 00:40:49 | Laurent_ | oops, made a mistake, it's eric linenberg, not bjorn. probably mixed with another one ;) |
| 00:41:25 | Laurent_ | thanks |
| 00:41:50 | * | Sebulba02 whips out his claravoiance for Guest. |
| 00:41:58 | Sebulba02 | (sp) |
| 00:42:26 | * | kurzhaarrocker 's dictionary doesn't know claravoiance |
| 00:42:40 | Guest | good man sebulba.............just what i need a glass ball gazer |
| 00:43:16 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:43:23 | Sebulba02 | we need a bot |
| 00:43:26 | * | kurzhaarrocker shakes the glass ball and all the snow in it spins arount |
| 00:43:34 | Sebulba02 | ack |
| 00:44:10 | kurzhaarrocker | Guest: please ask your questions, I'm bursting out of sheer curiosity. |
| 00:44:49 | Guest | hang on its christmas day and i am full up to the top with food and drink...the old mind is a bit slow..bear with me.......lol |
| 00:45:17 | * | kurzhaarrocker jumps up and down exitedly |
| 00:45:58 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:46:43 | | Nick edx{tv} is now known as edx (edx@pD9EAA140.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:47:15 | Guest | easy question to be honest.........i have an archos 20gig mulimedia jukebox with card readers and camera attachment.......and i was wondering if rockbox is suitable.and if it is which one do i use???there you are easy peasy question. |
| 00:47:20 | Bluechip | guest: i'm not sure if I want to get bare with you ...i hardly know you! |
| 00:47:42 | Sebulba02 | heh, err |
| 00:47:48 | kurzhaarrocker | guest: out of luck the multimedia devices are not supported by rockbox |
| 00:47:49 | Bluechip | no rockbox on the AV series I'm afraifd |
| 00:48:04 | Sebulba02 | newp |
| 00:48:23 | Guest | naughty word here.......oh shit....i was afraid of that..............and no chance of anything for it i bet |
| 00:48:44 | Sebulba02 | you could try to port it.. |
| 00:48:46 | Bluechip | archos are slapped the hackers out of the scene on their first release |
| 00:48:56 | Laurent_ | that might come though, a fork might be created as soon as enough people want to work on multimedia devices no ? |
| 00:49:16 | * | Sebulba02 takes his giant fork and sticks it into Laurent_. |
| 00:49:30 | Laurent_ | ouch |
| 00:49:50 | Guest | could you elaborate on that sebulba please..............i am not quite an idiot...but nor far from it....! |
| 00:50:18 | Laurent_ | Guest: being ignorant is not being an idiot, this can be cured |
| 00:50:38 | Sebulba02 | You could try to rewrite the portions of rockbox that need to be changed for the AV and release it, if you were to be so bold. |
| 00:51:06 | kurzhaarrocker | Guest: you'd make a lot of friends by doing so |
| 00:51:07 | Laurent_ | I don't claim to be so bold but I wish I could be ;) |
| 00:51:16 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:51:26 | kurzhaarrocker | Laurent_: eat more |
| 00:51:35 | scott666 | you could buy björn linus and daniel a MM each, that might help |
| 00:51:38 | Laurent_ | more what ? |
| 00:51:40 | Guest | oh wow.......no you are talking..............ltters i can write.........but programming.....hell no. |
| 00:51:48 | scott666 | jörg too, just to be safe |
| 00:51:51 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:52:24 | Laurent_ | kurzhaarrocker: oh, I get it, you think i'm 12 years old ;) |
| 00:52:25 | Guest | maybe even safer just to go with out..........and anyway any mm i get i eat my self..........lol |
| 00:52:28 | scott666 | you know, one '.' would probably be fine |
| 00:52:36 | scott666 | or else a ',' |
| 00:53:08 | Sebulba02 | or quite possibly ';' , but your probably better at grammar than I am ;) |
| 00:53:16 | kurzhaarrocker | Laurent_ no, my mistake bold is 'false friend' vocabulary for germans. I thought it meant fat, too. |
| 00:53:45 | scott666 | brb, going to reboot to see if this (http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/t1010069240) worked |
| 00:53:50 | Laurent_ | kurzhaarrocker: oh, I get it ;) |
| 00:53:59 | Laurent_ | (right, this time) |
| 00:54:00 | | Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") |
| 00:54:28 | Sebulba02 | ohh, you can remove it |
| 00:54:36 | Laurent_ | the fork ? |
| 00:54:46 | | Quit methangas (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") |
| 00:54:57 | Guest | ok people thabnk you....................shame you answer was the one i was expecting. |
| 00:55:08 | kurzhaarrocker | Sorry |
| 00:55:09 | Laurent_ | Guest: i'm no expert at all, but as I understand it, no one is working on the multimedia devices |
| 00:55:11 | Bluechip | while(1) fork(system("ping localhost")); |
| 00:55:29 | Sebulba02 | wow |
| 00:55:47 | Sebulba02 | why do you want to fork ping your own box? |
| 00:55:49 | Laurent_ | and their support is not a priority at all (that's what I understand) |
| 00:55:56 | Bluechip | cos it's anooying me |
| 00:56:07 | Sebulba02 | localhost? |
| 00:56:18 | Bluechip | no just my machine in general |
| 00:56:22 | Sebulba02 | ah |
| 00:56:28 | Laurent_ | suicide ping ? |
| 00:56:30 | Bluechip | 2 mins to patch the code - three hours to patch the makefil |
| 00:56:32 | Sebulba02 | theres faster ways to bring a box down ;) |
| 00:56:32 | Bluechip | e |
| 00:56:41 | Bluechip | i want it to suffer |
| 00:56:43 | Guest | well i supose if i was a rich man i could go out and buy another archos..........just so i could use the rockbox software................but i aint sure what wifey would say about that??? |
| 00:56:53 | Sebulba02 | while(1) fork(malloc(1)); |
| 00:57:06 | Bluechip | lol |
| 00:57:14 | | Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 00:57:17 | Sebulba02 | die... slowly |
| 00:57:21 | kurzhaarrocker | while (2) spoon (bend(totally)); |
| 00:57:22 | Laurent_ | Guest: wait, your device might be supported by rockbox but not the adapters you added, it depends no what model you have |
| 00:57:35 | Laurent_ | "no what" = "on what" |
| 00:57:45 | Laurent_ | what = which |
| 00:57:47 | Laurent_ | ;) |
| 00:57:55 | Bluechip | did no-one here follow the "avos" story and Dogger's efforts? |
| 00:58:19 | Laurent_ | Bluechip: I did read about this in the archive, but I'm willing to face archos legal threat |
| 00:58:28 | Guest | mine is the one with the black moulded corners |
| 00:58:31 | scott666 | anyone know what M$ journal viewer is? |
| 00:58:47 | Bluechip | Laurent_: you should speak to dogger priavtely |
| 00:58:49 | Laurent_ | (if I can unscramble the firmware of course...) |
| 00:59:37 | Laurent_ | Bluechip: since there's no way I can prove him I'm not a disguised archos member I think he would'nt want to divulgate anything, that's too risky for him |
| 00:59:49 | Sebulba02 | while(1) { i = random(2)%2; switch(i) { case 1 : fork(system("ping localhost")); break; case 0 : fork(malloc(1)); break; }} , or a combo of both (god I'm so bored..) |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:23 | Laurent_ | moreover, he could be afraid of me releasing the information publicly with his name since he doesn't know me. I would understand such fears. |
| 01:00:36 | Laurent_ | but perhaps am I wrong there... |
| 01:00:40 | Bluechip | plenty of rockbox hacking to keep you amused if you want to do something fun? |
| 01:00:55 | kurzhaarrocker | Sebulba: I've got a good job for you: rewrite mpeg.c so that it can play loops, please. |
| 01:01:03 | Sebulba02 | lol |
| 01:01:06 | Bluechip | Laurent_: only you can allay those fears |
| 01:01:13 | Sebulba02 | no thanks, I've got enough to code |
| 01:01:22 | Guest | are you suggesting that the rockbox could work on the player with out the bits and bobs on it?? |
| 01:01:33 | Laurent_ | Bluechip: true |
| 01:02:18 | scott666 | Guest: after we ported it to the MM processor and wrote drivers for all the bits that are different than the recorder/FM/ |
| 01:02:38 | Laurent_ | Guest: rockbox does not prevent standard archos firmware from running if you want, so you can switch between both easily, ie use rockbox for listening to music and managing your files on the hard disk and using archos software to use the camera and card adapters |
| 01:02:53 | Laurent_ | Guest: if your archos model is supported by rockbox of course |
| 01:03:14 | Guest | so the rockbox would not cause any problems in the use of the mm? |
| 01:03:31 | kurzhaarrocker | Ups. I'm out of date. I didn't know there was mm support. |
| 01:04:08 | Laurent_ | Guest: if your model is not a new one and you're only using external adapters to a rockbox supported one, I think so |
| 01:04:10 | scott666 | there isnt |
| 01:04:18 | Guest | well it seems i am getting conflickting imfo here..one says i cannt use it and one says i can use it.....................clarification please someone |
| 01:04:36 | scott666 | rockbox does not (as of now) run on the MM |
| 01:04:38 | Laurent_ | Guest: what model are you using ? all depends on it |
| 01:04:45 | * | Sebulba02 shatters his crystal ball. lots of good it did me. |
| 01:04:45 | Guest | jesus looks like the drink is getting to me as well.....the spelling is realy going down the tubes |
| 01:04:47 | scott666 | or the gmini or the avxxx |
| 01:05:08 | scott666 | Laurent_: hes using a multimedia |
| 01:05:08 | Laurent_ | scott666: I think he doesn't have a MM but a recorder or player with MM extensions (but I might be wrong) |
| 01:05:16 | Bluechip | What Tube??? WHERE???? |
| 01:05:21 | scott666 | i dont think they make those |
| 01:05:28 | Sebulba02 | tube? |
| 01:05:33 | scott666 | [insert george calrin refrence] |
| 01:05:37 | Bluechip | lol |
| 01:05:38 | Laurent_ | scott666: ok, my fault then |
| 01:05:48 | Bluechip | damn - caught me out |
| 01:05:48 | * | Sebulba02 needs a clue. |
| 01:05:54 | Guest | ok thanks............i have a mm20gig.............with those addapters as previously mentioned.........the one with the black moulded corners, |
| 01:06:00 | kurzhaarrocker | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/nodo.html, question 7 |
| 01:06:17 | Laurent_ | okey, sorry I misread |
| 01:06:21 | scott666 | you can use #7 |
| 01:06:32 | kurzhaarrocker | yes, stupid me |
| 01:06:54 | Laurent_ | Guest: sorry if I gave you too much expectations :( |
| 01:08:47 | Laurent_ | so, what's the exact reason for lack of support of the MM models ? not enough machines avalaible by the key players or too much work to implement ? |
| 01:08:57 | Guest | question 7 gives me the answer doesnt it........................that answer is NO....sod it..........many thanks for your time gentlemen.....and ladies if there are any. |
| 01:09:31 | scott666 | The Archos Multimedia is a completely different beast. It is an entirely different architecture, differnt CPU and upgrading the software is done a completely different way. We do not venture into this. |
| 01:09:49 | kurzhaarrocker | Laurent: the core developers don't own any and the don't intend to buy any |
| 01:09:55 | Sebulba02 | meaning, they don't want to |
| 01:09:57 | Guest | thank you for that scott! |
| 01:10:05 | Laurent_ | scott666: I already read this ;) but this doesn't say why :) |
| 01:10:25 | scott666 | i think the main reason is lack of time |
| 01:10:51 | Laurent_ | good reason ;) |
| 01:11:15 | scott666 | the developers usually dont have enough time to work on the non-MM models |
| 01:11:23 | Guest | thank you and good night gents.......have a happy christmas and a great new year |
| 01:11:33 | Bluechip | nite dude |
| 01:11:38 | Laurent_ | Guest: same to you |
| 01:11:41 | kurzhaarrocker | Guest: same to you, and write some MM code, please! |
| 01:11:41 | | Quit Guest ("Leaving") |
| 01:12:00 | Bluechip | kurz: it is already done! |
| 01:12:11 | kurzhaarrocker | really? where? |
| 01:12:21 | Bluechip | read avos thread in news archive |
| 01:12:53 | Laurent_ | stupid question : why not publish the MM models specs on the web site, just in case some new people would like to work on them ? |
| 01:13:07 | scott666 | did he figure out MM, AVxxx AND gmini? do they all use the same? |
| 01:13:10 | Bluechip | no point |
| 01:13:21 | Laurent_ | so they would not need to break their models as I did for my gmini ;) |
| 01:13:40 | scott666 | Laurent_: new people were _trying_ to work on the MM/av and archos sent a cease&desist |
| 01:13:54 | Laurent_ | shit I'm dumb |
| 01:14:17 | Laurent_ | wait 'til I slap my head on the wall |
| 01:14:31 | Laurent_ | slam |
| 01:14:33 | Sebulba02 | A concrete wall? |
| 01:14:35 | Laurent_ | not slap |
| 01:14:42 | Laurent_ | a virtual one |
| 01:14:43 | Laurent_ | :) |
| 01:14:44 | scott666 | its funny, the only link on the archos site for archos based groups is a dead yahoo group |
| 01:14:45 | Laurent_ | hurts less |
| 01:14:59 | Sebulba02 | no pain, no gain.. *shrugs* |
| 01:15:42 | Laurent_ | ok, so, my email to the list was completely dumb also, geez, I guess it's my day :) |
| 01:15:55 | Sebulba02 | no one'll notice |
| 01:16:15 | * | Sebulba02 .oO( no one'll , wtf? ) |
| 01:16:20 | kurzhaarrocker | Why has the yahoo group died? |
| 01:16:28 | scott666 | dunno |
| 01:16:32 | scott666 | but its a dead link |
| 01:17:00 | Sebulba02 | They need to fix their site to work in freaking mozilla |
| 01:17:53 | scott666 | Where can I talk to other owners of the Jukebox FM Recorder? |
| 01:18:01 | scott666 | |
| 01:18:01 | scott666 | The main user group for the Jukebox can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archos_mp3/ |
| 01:18:35 | kurzhaarrocker | lol! "There is no group called archos_mp3" |
| 01:20:50 | Bluechip | isnt it somehting like funmp3players or similar? |
| 01:21:15 | kurzhaarrocker | Yes, there's another mailing list. But there used to be one on yahoo, too |
| 01:21:50 | Bluechip | this quotes around the #define is not actually possible, not matter what I do!!! |
| 01:22:14 | Sebulba02 | Dude.. |
| 01:22:19 | Bluechip | HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP |
| 01:23:14 | Bluechip | all I want is PWD (at time of running configure) to be passed to the gcc line IN QUOTES |
| 01:23:16 | Sebulba02 | if you #define WHAT_EVER_THE_HECK_YOU_CALLED_IT 0 , then −−WHAT_EVER_THE_HECK_YOU_CALLED_IT=10, you should be able to printf("%d\n", WHAT_EVER_THE_HECK_YOU_CALLED_IT); and get 10, no? |
| 01:23:40 | Bluechip | would you like to take up the challenge? |
| 01:23:49 | Bluechip | :) |
| 01:23:51 | Sebulba02 | Not really, no |
| 01:23:51 | Bluechip | pleez |
| 01:24:03 | Sebulba02 | I just figure thats how it works. |
| 01:24:05 | Bluechip | dont blame you ...it's a biatch |
| 01:24:09 | Laurent_ | Sebulba02: you should |
| 01:24:14 | Bluechip | hehe |
| 01:24:21 | Bluechip | nice volunteered |
| 01:24:26 | Bluechip | nicely* |
| 01:24:28 | Sebulba02 | man, everyone wants me to code for them |
| 01:25:11 | Bluechip | but you keep on and on telling me how easy it is |
| 01:25:22 | Bluechip | it's ONE line of code! |
| 01:25:24 | Bluechip | lol |
| 01:25:30 | Laurent_ | Bluechip: gcc "`pwd`" ? |
| 01:25:54 | Laurent_ | I mean, with the correct option before of course |
| 01:25:58 | Bluechip | i wish |
| 01:26:15 | Sebulba02 | heh, lemme look at something first |
| 01:26:24 | kurzhaarrocker | bluechip: don't you need a |
| 01:26:24 | kurzhaarrocker | #ifndef MYDEFINE |
| 01:26:24 | kurzhaarrocker | #define MYDEFINE 1 |
| 01:26:24 | kurzhaarrocker | #endif |
| 01:26:24 | kurzhaarrocker | ? |
| 01:26:48 | Laurent_ | echo \"`pwd`\" |
| 01:26:52 | Laurent_ | does it |
| 01:26:54 | Bluechip | i fear that the biggest problem is that everyone is guessing without actually knowing what the problem is |
| 01:26:56 | kurzhaarrocker | Then the preprocessor shouldn't override the define by the comandline |
| 01:27:10 | kurzhaarrocker | Blue: that's probably true |
| 01:28:07 | Bluechip | kurz: goto /apps/main_menu.c:255 and change PLUGIN_DIR for THISDIR ...and make it compile by typing nothing more than "make" |
| 01:28:39 | Bluechip | you will NEED to update /tools/configure and maybe /uisimulator/win32/Makefile |
| 01:29:46 | Bluechip | and -> and/or |
| 01:30:05 | kurzhaarrocker | THISDIR is new? |
| 01:30:09 | Bluechip | brb |
| 01:30:14 | Bluechip | no - it already exists |
| 01:30:29 | | Join Stevenm [0] (~StevenM@pcp04424903pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 01:30:44 | Laurent_ | oops, time to sleep there |
| 01:30:50 | Sebulba02 | It should work that way [tm] ;) |
| 01:31:06 | Laurent_ | good bye |
| 01:31:09 | kurzhaarrocker | But that would mean a recursive preprocessor |
| 01:31:41 | | Quit Laurent_ ("bed can't wait") |
| 01:32:23 | Stevenm | Hey guys |
| 01:32:37 | Stevenm | When I try to build GCC for rockbox, I get error: ../../../gcc-3.0.4/gcc/config/sh/lib1funcs.asm:166: Error: no such instruction: `rts' |
| 01:32:38 | Stevenm | make[2]: *** [libgcc/./_ashiftrt.o] Error 1 |
| 01:32:53 | Stevenm | Anyone know what the problem is / how to fix? |
| 01:32:58 | Sebulba02 | okay, beats me ;) |
| 01:33:23 | Sebulba02 | Is the binutils you built at the beginning of your path? |
| 01:33:35 | Stevenm | I think so.. |
| 01:33:54 | Sebulba02 | make sure its /path/you/built/binutils/bin |
| 01:34:19 | Sebulba02 | not /path/you/built/binutils |
| 01:34:56 | Stevenm | Wait a sec.. there IS no bin ere |
| 01:35:14 | Sebulba02 | did you not make install binutils? |
| 01:35:52 | Stevenm | I am pretty sure I did |
| 01:36:07 | Bluechip | Kurz: did you try my suggestion? |
| 01:36:41 | Sebulba02 | Stevenm: err, do you still have the ./configure line you used? |
| 01:36:51 | Stevenm | I do |
| 01:36:57 | Sebulba02 | (I did all this yesterday, so you know) |
| 01:37:04 | Sebulba02 | What is it? |
| 01:37:16 | Stevenm | I do not know |
| 01:37:21 | Stevenm | here how aobut I start over |
| 01:37:46 | Sebulba02 | Sometimes the easiest, make sure to read through the howto with a fine tooth comb |
| 01:37:58 | Stevenm | This is like, the third time |
| 01:38:05 | Sebulba02 | ugh |
| 01:38:55 | Stevenm | ok, untarred binutils, starting over |
| 01:39:08 | Sebulba02 | step by step |
| 01:40:12 | kurzhaarrocker | Hm. Blue: I just tried this:#ifndef hi |
| 01:40:12 | kurzhaarrocker | #define hi 0 |
| 01:40:12 | kurzhaarrocker | #endif |
| 01:40:12 | kurzhaarrocker | #define lo hi |
| 01:40:12 | kurzhaarrocker | void main(void) |
| 01:40:13 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 01:40:13 | kurzhaarrocker | { |
| 01:40:14 | Bluechip | steve - if you need a working dev kti - let me know |
| 01:40:14 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 01:40:14 | kurzhaarrocker | int i = lo; |
| 01:40:16 | kurzhaarrocker | } |
| 01:40:21 | Stevenm | Ok thanks |
| 01:40:37 | Sebulba02 | for windows* |
| 01:41:08 | Bluechip | kurz: yes, doesn't help :( ...you might find it fun to look at the actual problem instead of apparently similar ons? |
| 01:41:31 | Sebulba02 | theres no fun in that :) |
| 01:41:56 | * | kurzhaarrocker rereads to find the misunderstanding |
| 01:42:26 | Bluechip | [00:28] <Bluechip> kurz: goto /apps/main_menu.c:255 and change PLUGIN_DIR for THISDIR ...and make it compile by typing nothing more than "make" |
| 01:42:26 | Bluechip | [00:28] <Bluechip> you will NEED to update /tools/configure and maybe /uisimulator/win32/Makefile s |
| 01:43:20 | Sebulba02 | (the configure script should generate the makefiles) |
| 01:43:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 01:43:59 | Bluechip | config does not create /uisimulator/win32/Makefile |
| 01:43:59 | Stevenm | binutils sure likes taking its sweet time to build |
| 01:44:10 | Sebulba02 | Bluechip: no? |
| 01:44:12 | Sebulba02 | odd |
| 01:44:19 | Sebulba02 | Stevenm: wait til you build gcc :) |
| 01:44:34 | Stevenm | yea hopefully I'll get to sit through ALL of it |
| 01:44:36 | Bluechip | seb: no! |
| 01:44:51 | Sebulba02 | Stevenm: its quite boring, trust me. |
| 01:44:56 | Sebulba02 | Bluechip: ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! |
| 01:45:09 | Sebulba02 | the world can end now |
| 01:46:34 | Bluechip | config -> /build/makefile -> /sim/makefile -> main_menu.c |
| 01:46:39 | Stevenm | hey its done! |
| 01:46:46 | Sebulba02 | no errors? |
| 01:46:54 | Stevenm | on binutuls, same as before |
| 01:46:56 | Stevenm | now, GCC |
| 01:47:38 | Sebulba02 | Don't forget to export your path first. |
| 01:48:13 | Stevenm | I did. |
| 01:48:18 | Stevenm | configuring that sucker |
| 01:48:25 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 01:49:06 | Stevenm | making.. wish me luck |
| 01:49:15 | Sebulba02 | gl |
| 01:49:18 | Bluechip | luk |
| 01:49:44 | Sebulba02 | glRotate(0, 0, 1); |
| 01:49:53 | Sebulba02 | ahh, the days of opengl |
| 01:50:39 | Bluechip | kurz: any luck yet? |
| 01:51:07 | * | kurzhaarrocker is ashamed |
| 01:51:10 | Bluechip | Kurz: i have tried 50 ways from Sunday, each solution presented its own new problem until i completed the circle |
| 01:51:18 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 01:51:34 | Sebulba02 | maybe read up on automake? |
| 01:51:53 | Bluechip | i think perhaps you do not realise the problem |
| 01:52:17 | Sebulba02 | uh, I think I do. |
| 01:52:25 | Bluechip | cool |
| 01:52:34 | Bluechip | how can "automake" help? |
| 01:52:56 | Sebulba02 | Unless I'm totally wacked in the head, isn't automake what actually generates those files? |
| 01:53:11 | Bluechip | will it add the new environment vairable? |
| 01:53:12 | | Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") |
| 01:53:14 | Bluechip | and, no |
| 01:53:17 | Sebulba02 | Dunno |
| 01:53:27 | Sebulba02 | So I am wacked in the head, go figure |
| 01:53:41 | Bluechip | yeah, cheer |
| 01:53:43 | Bluechip | s |
| 01:53:53 | Sebulba02 | What does then? |
| 01:54:00 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 01:54:10 | Bluechip | what does <what>??? |
| 01:54:23 | Sebulba02 | Something generates that file |
| 01:54:29 | Bluechip | what file? |
| 01:54:48 | Stevenm | ../../../gcc-3.0.4/gcc/config/sh/lib1funcs.asm:166: Error: no such instruction: `rts' make[2]: *** [libgcc/./_ashiftrt.o] Error 1 |
| 01:54:49 | Sebulba02 | The configure file. |
| 01:55:08 | Stevenm | What's the big idea?? |
| 01:55:11 | Sebulba02 | Stevenm: what environment are you trying to compile in, linux or cygwin? |
| 01:55:16 | Stevenm | Linux |
| 01:55:17 | Bluechip | cygwin |
| 01:55:22 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 01:55:36 | Stevenm | aha |
| 01:55:37 | Sebulba02 | I swear I did this yesterday and it worked. |
| 01:55:37 | Stevenm | haha |
| 01:55:48 | Sebulba02 | ? |
| 01:56:02 | Stevenm | Sebulba02: Feel like tarring it all up and sending it here some way? |
| 01:56:20 | Sebulba02 | Lemme see how big first. |
| 01:56:31 | Stevenm | Sebulba02: You have it for Linux, right? |
| 01:56:38 | Bluechip | Kurz: has your shame left yet? |
| 01:56:54 | Sebulba02 | yep |
| 01:56:56 | Bluechip | surely this is simple to a good code? |
| 01:57:02 | Bluechip | *coder |
| 01:57:08 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 01:57:16 | kurzhaarrocker | no, my shame is rising. never had contact with sed |
| 01:57:22 | Bluechip | sed??? |
| 01:57:25 | Sebulba02 | a coder who understands wtf is going on, sure |
| 01:57:31 | Bluechip | wtf are you doing with sed? |
| 01:57:46 | kurzhaarrocker | The thing that seems to write the makefile |
| 01:57:49 | Bluechip | yes, hence ths introduction of the word "good" |
| 01:58:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:58:29 | Bluechip | forget configure for the moment and just edit /uisim/win32/makefile |
| 01:58:38 | Bluechip | see if you can solve it at that level first |
| 01:59:17 | Sebulba02 | dum dee doo, gzipping stuff over wireless nfs is slow |
| 01:59:39 | Sebulba02 | Stevenm: uhh, its 11M, to upload that on dialup would take a decade |
| 01:59:48 | Bluechip | this is stupid - the bug fix is SEVEN CHARS ...just impossible to actually compile it - LMAO |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:03 | Sebulba02 | ?? |
| 02:00:47 | Bluechip | fixed sim menus |
| 02:00:50 | Sebulba02 | Stevenm: show me the exact commansd you typed |
| 02:00:53 | Sebulba02 | commands* |
| 02:00:57 | Sebulba02 | ahh |
| 02:01:19 | Bluechip | but as I'm the only person who uses the sim - nobody wants to help me :( |
| 02:01:32 | Sebulba02 | I used the sim yesterday |
| 02:01:50 | Sebulba02 | Was easier to debug code in it then transferring it to my rec each time |
| 02:01:54 | kurzhaarrocker | I would use the simulator if gdb wouldn't bloat me with stdout windows |
| 02:01:58 | Bluechip | but you dont mind that it is bug ridden - it annots me :( |
| 02:02:14 | Bluechip | yeah, well if I could get it to compile - I would fix the bugs - LMAO |
| 02:02:30 | Bluechip | the time I've spent on this compile I could have rewritten most of ti |
| 02:02:32 | Bluechip | it |
| 02:02:34 | Bluechip | LOL |
| 02:02:34 | Sebulba02 | what exactly is the issue with the sim menus? |
| 02:02:50 | Bluechip | you can only understand by trying them really :( |
| 02:02:53 | Bluechip | half of them are missing |
| 02:03:02 | Bluechip | half of whats left fails |
| 02:03:02 | Sebulba02 | huh |
| 02:03:44 | Sebulba02 | uhh, mine works and looks complete |
| 02:04:05 | Bluechip | ot a recorder? |
| 02:04:06 | kurzhaarrocker | Seb: the problem is that browsers like eg. the plugin browser only work on c:\.rockbox\rocks instead of c:\mypath\Archos\.rockbox\rocks |
| 02:04:07 | Bluechip | got |
| 02:04:19 | Sebulba02 | yeah |
| 02:04:24 | Sebulba02 | kurzhaarrocker: not true |
| 02:04:27 | Bluechip | change the record settings |
| 02:04:36 | Bluechip | change the loudness |
| 02:04:42 | Bluechip | change the dynamic bass |
| 02:04:48 | Sebulba02 | okay.. |
| 02:05:00 | Sebulba02 | or not |
| 02:05:06 | Sebulba02 | I never look at those ;) |
| 02:05:10 | Bluechip | yep, now change the language |
| 02:05:16 | Bluechip | or the firmware |
| 02:05:18 | Bluechip | or use a plugin |
| 02:05:22 | Bluechip | or change the font |
| 02:05:28 | Sebulba02 | Don't you have to configure it to a specific language? |
| 02:05:43 | Sebulba02 | I didn't install the fonts, but i could.. |
| 02:05:43 | Bluechip | TRY IT DUDE |
| 02:05:49 | Bluechip | don't trust me ...try it |
| 02:06:52 | Sebulba02 | wow |
| 02:07:01 | Sebulba02 | didn't realize it was *that* broken |
| 02:07:20 | Bluechip | i have a COMPLETE set of bug fixes for ALL archos unit for ALL win32sims |
| 02:07:27 | Bluechip | BUT IT WONT COMPILE |
| 02:07:38 | Bluechip | because of a problem with the THISDIR directive |
| 02:07:56 | Bluechip | If you still dont trust me ...you can choose not to look at the patches? |
| 02:08:23 | Sebulba02 | no need to get offensive, I believe you. I doubt you'd be doing this for the hell of it. |
| 02:08:54 | Bluechip | no offense intended |
| 02:09:38 | Sebulba02 | THISDIR=@PWD@ is the issue? |
| 02:09:48 | Bluechip | "sort of" |
| 02:09:56 | Bluechip | "yes, to a degree" |
| 02:10:29 | Bluechip | I need /build/makefile to pass that to /sim/makefile who will pass it to /apps/main_menu |
| 02:10:34 | Bluechip | .c |
| 02:11:23 | Sebulba02 | Hmm |
| 02:14:41 | Sebulba02 | err |
| 02:14:55 | Bluechip | nasty innit? |
| 02:15:55 | Sebulba02 | wtf is an .lds file? |
| 02:15:57 | | Quit Stevenm ("Client exiting") |
| 02:16:01 | Bluechip | no idea |
| 02:16:35 | Bluechip | "linkfile" |
| 02:17:20 | Sebulba02 | I'm just trying to trace a variable already there, see if I can figure out wtf it goes and how its used. |
| 02:18:07 | Bluechip | the result needs to be |
| 02:18:07 | Bluechip | -DTHISDIR="source/build" |
| 02:18:07 | Bluechip | to be passed to main_menu.c |
| 02:19:02 | Sebulba02 | ugh |
| 02:19:02 | Bluechip | or rather -DTHISDIR="/.../source/build" |
| 02:19:44 | Bluechip | the value THISDIR is already placed in build/Makefile |
| 02:19:58 | Bluechip | but it does not get passed to sim/makefile |
| 02:20:26 | Sebulba02 | So your not worried about using it, just passing it to the makefile? |
| 02:20:35 | Sebulba02 | heh, okay, wrong tangent |
| 02:23:14 | | Quit kurzhaarrocker (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 02:24:28 | Sebulba02 | uh |
| 02:25:23 | Sebulba02 | Okay.. I could maybe get it to pass it there. |
| 02:25:38 | Sebulba02 | :q |
| 02:25:41 | Sebulba02 | bah |
| 02:25:57 | Bluechip | got the plugins working? |
| 02:26:27 | Bluechip | to test just change apps/main_menu.c:256 from PLUGIN_DIR to THISDIR |
| 02:27:10 | Sebulba02 | plugins always worked for me |
| 02:27:23 | Sebulba02 | well, at least one has |
| 02:27:30 | Bluechip | from the menu? |
| 02:27:33 | Sebulba02 | yep |
| 02:27:42 | Bluechip | <shrugs> |
| 02:27:50 | Sebulba02 | just had to stick them in the archos/.rockbox/rocks folder |
| 02:28:34 | Bluechip | right - you found a work-around too |
| 02:28:48 | Bluechip | would rather fix it to work properly |
| 02:28:54 | Bluechip | personally |
| 02:29:38 | | Join style42 [0] (~style@pool-151-205-8-72.clrk.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:30:01 | Sebulba02 | wtf |
| 02:30:23 | style42 | My gmini won't boot. |
| 02:31:32 | Sebulba02 | Bluechip: I think you took the long way for a solution |
| 02:31:39 | Bluechip | go4it :) |
| 02:31:50 | Sebulba02 | try this.. |
| 02:32:04 | Sebulba02 | go back to the main_menu.c and keep it as PLUGIN_DIR |
| 02:32:16 | Bluechip | done |
| 02:32:42 | Sebulba02 | in the generated makefile after you configure, add.. THISDIR=${THISDIR} to the end of the sim: compile |
| 02:33:35 | Bluechip | done |
| 02:33:55 | Sebulba02 | in the uisimulator/win32/Makefile |
| 02:34:12 | Sebulba02 | add to the APPSCLFLAGS= -DPLUGIN_DIR=${THIS_DIR} |
| 02:34:31 | Sebulba02 | err, without the _ |
| 02:34:40 | Sebulba02 | then compile |
| 02:34:56 | Sebulba02 | it'll b*tch about redefining PLUGIN_DIR, but we can figure that one out later |
| 02:35:48 | Sebulba02 | & let me know how it goes :) |
| 02:36:57 | Bluechip | nope ...I fear we may need to append the dos path of cygwin :( ho hummmm |
| 02:37:18 | Bluechip | haaaaaaaaaaaaang on |
| 02:37:26 | Bluechip | "." better not work!!! |
| 02:38:30 | Bluechip | ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH |
| 02:38:33 | Bluechip | KILL ME |
| 02:39:39 | Bluechip | Ever tried to drive to from US to Canada via Finland? |
| 02:40:00 | Bluechip | what a dumb ass!! |
| 02:41:40 | Bluechip | remind me never to program while drunk again! |
| 02:42:53 | Bluechip | anybody still there? |
| 02:43:02 | Sebulba02 | uh |
| 02:43:34 | Sebulba02 | that didn't work!? |
| 02:43:34 | Bluechip | thanks for helping dude :) |
| 02:43:45 | Bluechip | no, yours didn't ...but "." did! |
| 02:43:51 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 02:44:47 | Sebulba02 | Leave it to the good 'ol "." |
| 02:46:34 | Bluechip | I'm sick! |
| 02:47:45 | Sebulba02 | Keep it off the floor :) |
| 02:47:54 | Bluechip | ;) |
| 02:56:44 | * | Sebulba02 is starting to dispise windows |
| 02:56:53 | Sebulba02 | *more than normal |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:32 | Bluechip | its an important job for the right person :) |
| 03:03:08 | Bluechip | anything in particular? |
| 03:03:58 | Sebulba02 | just the total suckyness of it |
| 03:04:07 | Sebulba02 | get this.. |
| 03:04:20 | Sebulba02 | my dad, has a USB tv tuner that he can record tv shows with |
| 03:04:24 | Sebulba02 | into mpg2 format |
| 03:04:28 | | Quit lini_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") |
| 03:04:30 | Sebulba02 | but he can't play them, like wtf? |
| 03:05:07 | Bluechip | are you running the kazaa-lite codec pack? |
| 03:05:12 | Sebulba02 | nah |
| 03:05:18 | Bluechip | right |
| 03:06:07 | Bluechip | you might find it an interesting solution to many video problems that come about by lacking drivers |
| 03:06:52 | Bluechip | would installing linux not fix all the problems? |
| 03:07:01 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 03:07:05 | Sebulba02 | for my dad, nah |
| 03:07:15 | Sebulba02 | he seems to like winxp |
| 03:07:23 | Bluechip | hmm, yeah fair call, the UI is pretty sucky in linux :( |
| 03:07:43 | Sebulba02 | lol, mplayer plays it! |
| 03:07:45 | style42 | Anyone here have a gmini? |
| 03:08:02 | Sebulba02 | UI owns |
| 03:10:38 | | Quit style42 () |
| 03:18:02 | * | Sebulba02 hugs his debian boxes. |
| 03:21:30 | * | Sebulba02 picks Bluechip up off the floor and leans him against a wall. |
| 03:21:53 | * | Bluechip slides slowly back to the floor |
| 03:22:10 | Sebulba02 | that far gone, eh? |
| 03:22:16 | Bluechip | :) |
| 03:22:29 | Bluechip | %} |
| 03:22:43 | Sebulba02 | I wish I was. |
| 03:23:44 | * | Bluechip spills some whiskey in a glass and passes it over |
| 03:25:36 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 03:25:49 | Sebulba02 | a drop would be enough, I've never had a drink in my life |
| 03:26:06 | Bluechip | religeous or political reasons? |
| 03:26:13 | Sebulba02 | personal |
| 03:26:20 | Bluechip | that's what i meant - lol |
| 03:26:27 | Bluechip | should I ask? |
| 03:26:45 | Sebulba02 | I just choose not too. |
| 03:26:51 | Bluechip | hm |
| 03:28:47 | Sebulba02 | I just do, why? *shrugs* Sometimes I wonder why myself. |
| 03:29:11 | Sebulba02 | Esp on lousy years like this one has been |
| 03:29:14 | Bluechip | nothing wrong with avoiding drugs - they're not for everybody |
| 03:29:31 | Bluechip | no answers in the bottom of a bottle, just more questions |
| 03:29:38 | Sebulba02 | I know |
| 03:29:46 | Sebulba02 | I'm not looking for answers |
| 03:30:02 | Bluechip | like ...."why did i forget all about "." " |
| 03:30:05 | Sebulba02 | More a way to just not remember everything |
| 03:30:22 | Bluechip | amnesia is quite easy to create |
| 03:31:24 | Sebulba02 | a nice blunt blow to the head |
| 03:31:39 | Bluechip | think of something else - lol |
| 03:32:04 | Sebulba02 | too painful? |
| 03:32:17 | Bluechip | not necessary |
| 03:32:28 | Bluechip | i am a hypnotist |
| 03:32:38 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 03:32:43 | Bluechip | not stage stuff before you ask |
| 03:32:48 | Sebulba02 | nah |
| 03:32:55 | Sebulba02 | the medical practice? |
| 03:33:12 | Bluechip | that style of trance work yes, but not professionally |
| 03:33:22 | Bluechip | I lecture in it |
| 03:33:22 | Sebulba02 | sounds cool |
| 03:33:41 | Bluechip | It's fun |
| 03:34:11 | Sebulba02 | just make me think im alive and bury me somewhere |
| 03:34:25 | Bluechip | would you enjoy that? |
| 03:35:18 | Sebulba02 | there are plenty of times I'd go for it |
| 03:35:50 | Bluechip | what do you think it would feel like? |
| 03:36:17 | Sebulba02 | I hope it wouldn't feel like anything |
| 03:36:44 | Bluechip | a bit like standing in a long queue waiting for the guy in front to move? |
| 03:36:57 | Sebulba02 | I suppose. |
| 03:37:15 | Sebulba02 | I try to avoid long queues, so I can't be sure. |
| 03:37:35 | Bluechip | or maybe like the gap when you are driving and suddenly realise that you have forgotten the last 50 miles |
| 03:38:17 | Sebulba02 | What little I drive, I generally remember. |
| 03:39:01 | Sebulba02 | Though I have been known to phase out, but I still remember driving. |
| 03:39:02 | Bluechip | do you enjoy remembering the gaps where you forget? |
| 03:39:48 | Sebulba02 | The only gaps I have are the ones not induced by myself or ones I don't care enough to remember. |
| 03:40:13 | Bluechip | how do you decide to forget these moments |
| 03:40:57 | Sebulba02 | How do decide to? |
| 03:41:02 | Sebulba02 | I* |
| 03:41:22 | Sebulba02 | I just don't care to remember them. |
| 03:41:25 | Bluechip | your unconcious has a strategy for deciding to forget things you no longer need |
| 03:41:29 | Sebulba02 | Or they aren't significant |
| 03:42:30 | Bluechip | significance is a subjective state deduced by a set of rules your other mind uses |
| 03:43:25 | Sebulba02 | makes sense |
| 03:43:38 | Sebulba02 | don't ask me how I decide what is significant |
| 03:44:19 | Bluechip | no, you should remain quiet inside and pay attention to the answers that you can expereince inside |
| 03:44:29 | Bluechip | some have a voice, others have pictures |
| 03:44:56 | Sebulba02 | yeah |
| 03:45:51 | Bluechip | you understand these structures and you need to decide how best to communicate with your unconcious |
| 03:46:30 | Bluechip | this is where the real power comes from |
| 03:46:38 | Sebulba02 | ah |
| 03:47:13 | Bluechip | hypnosis is a set of structures that teach you how to do that effectively |
| 03:47:33 | Bluechip | you learn nothing new, you just discover how to move unconcious process to concious control |
| 03:47:46 | Sebulba02 | cool |
| 03:58:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 04:00 |
| 04:07:05 | | Quit edx () |
| 04:14:41 | | Quit Sebulba02 ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") |
| 04:16:27 | | Join Sebulba02 [0] (~Sebulba02@dialup-67.31.192.154.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net) |
| 04:16:39 | Bluechip | back so soon |
| 04:17:05 | Sebulba02 | I just reconnected |
| 04:17:11 | Bluechip | heh |
| 04:17:31 | Sebulba02 | f'g POS win32 box randomly reset itself at 6something this morning, so my 24h lease would expire when I would be asleep |
| 04:17:51 | Bluechip | aha |
| 04:17:58 | Sebulba02 | first thing on my TODO is to reimage it |
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| 05:36:36 | arspy87 | hey Seb i fixed the noise prob i was having earlier |
| 05:37:01 | arspy87 | turned off smooth scrolling in ie6 |
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| 06:00:31 | Stevenm | Yo Bluechip |
| 06:00:44 | Stevenm | When do you think add/remove directory features wil be put into CVS ? |
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| 06:40:09 | Bluechip | new patch submitted |
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| 07:11:19 | Bluechip | gnite all |
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| 08:29:26 | midknight2k3 | hi all |
| 08:29:31 | midknight2k3 | Sebulba02 you here |
| 08:40:33 | midknight2k3 | must reboot. brb |
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| 08:45:19 | midknight2k3 | yo yo yo, Sebulba02 wake up! :D |
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| 11:18:09 | midknight2k3 | 16KB free on drive D:\ |
| 11:18:12 | midknight2k3 | well wtf |
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| 12:46:39 | _Laurent | hi |
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| 14:06:12 | Sebulba02 | sup _Laurent |
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| 14:08:08 | EoS | hello |
| 14:08:14 | Sebulba02 | Hi. |
| 14:09:07 | EoS | ok u prolly had this question before...but is the gmini compatible with rockbox, or are u planning to make a version for it, or are there any similar projects u know of? |
| 14:09:35 | EoS | cause i dont really like the archos firmware... |
| 14:10:02 | Sebulba02 | Not that I'm aware of, its not likely, and i have no clue |
| 14:10:20 | EoS | hm, too bad, i really liked rockbox a lot |
| 14:10:42 | Sebulba02 | indeed |
| 14:11:14 | EoS | yeah, it made my old jukebox 20 so much better |
| 14:12:39 | Sebulba02 | defn |
| 14:16:30 | EoS | ok well, thx fir the info, have some nice holidays and a happy new year! |
| 14:16:34 | EoS | bye |
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| 14:31:57 | Sebulba02 | That was a long break, heh |
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| 14:58:22 | _Laurent | oops |
| 14:58:30 | _Laurent | missed EoS question stupid me |
| 14:58:34 | _Laurent | come back ! |
| 14:58:35 | _Laurent | ;) |
| 14:59:58 | Sebulba02 | ? |
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| 15:06:00 | _Laurent | he was talking about gmini support, which I hope to work on soon |
| 15:06:24 | _Laurent | got an answer from telechips makers of its CPU : they want information about me... :) |
| 15:06:41 | Sebulba02 | cool |
| 15:07:35 | _Laurent | but I wonder which kind of information they want. I hope they do not require a commercial product on their CPU to give information. |
| 15:09:22 | Sebulba02 | Dunno.. |
| 15:09:26 | Sebulba02 | Maybe they want info to keep tabs on you ;) |
| 15:09:48 | _Laurent | :) |
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| 16:32:56 | edx{coffee} | no problem ;) |
| 16:33:10 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 16:38:00 | _Laurent | ah that was it ;) I was wondering if it was me ;) |
| 16:39:44 | Sebulba02 | I could have been wrong, maybe it was a combined effort :) |
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| 16:46:18 | _Laurent | that's possible ;) |
| 16:46:47 | Sebulba02 | I know its not me.. |
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| 16:50:56 | _Laurent | it might be me, I'm waiting for my water heater to get fixed ;) |
| 16:51:06 | _Laurent | (joking of course) |
| 16:51:25 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 16:52:02 | _Laurent | I'm having cold showers... I usually like it but those days they are not cold, they're freezing |
| 16:52:05 | _Laurent | ;) |
| 16:52:35 | Sebulba02 | hehe |
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| 17:06:50 | citrix7 | hello all. question for anyone who can help. |
| 17:07:37 | citrix7 | i have a recorder 15 with rockbox daily (from Dec. 22) and sometimes, i get a lock up. like when music playing, and i access menu or change song..... |
| 17:07:52 | citrix7 | the music stops, hdd light on solid. and i need to reboot |
| 17:08:07 | citrix7 | happened 2 times today (although i did use it all day today) |
| 17:08:44 | Sebulba02 | Try using the latest stable release? |
| 17:08:58 | diddystar5 | Sebulba02: no changes that would effect that... |
| 17:09:14 | Sebulba02 | Okay.. |
| 17:09:27 | citrix7 | oh, only started happening when batt under 35 |
| 17:09:41 | diddystar5 | citrix7: no idea reallly is it when the HD is spining that it hapens? |
| 17:10:25 | citrix7 | when music playing, and then i change song. |
| 17:10:32 | diddystar5 | citrix7: sometimes weird things happen when the battery gets around 10-20% |
| 17:10:36 | citrix7 | most of the timne its fine. i changed song ALL DAY! |
| 17:11:10 | citrix7 | maybe my batt meter is wrong then |
| 17:11:13 | diddystar5 | have you charged your batteries during the time that has been happening? |
| 17:11:23 | citrix7 | i will charge tonight and see tomorrow |
| 17:11:29 | citrix7 | no, it just started tonight |
| 17:11:31 | diddystar5 | thats a good ides |
| 17:11:42 | diddystar5 | what capacity of batteries do you have? |
| 17:11:46 | citrix7 | batts read about 25 |
| 17:11:47 | citrix7 | now |
| 17:11:52 | citrix7 | 1600 |
| 17:12:13 | diddystar5 | 25, yeah that may be it, are those 1600's from archos? |
| 17:12:18 | citrix7 | no |
| 17:12:22 | diddystar5 | ok |
| 17:12:51 | citrix7 | i killed my old batts buy only charging 2 hours first time before using |
| 17:12:56 | citrix7 | these are new ones |
| 17:13:05 | citrix7 | and i did 15 hours on them, and they are great. |
| 17:13:08 | diddystar5 | how did you "kill" them? |
| 17:13:17 | citrix7 | but now im afraid to charge them without doing full charge |
| 17:13:45 | citrix7 | on first time charge with new batts, i only gave them 2 hours and then used the unit. |
| 17:13:50 | Sebulba02 | diddystar5: the first charge of batteries sets their capacity, hense not charging them full "kills" them. |
| 17:13:56 | citrix7 | then after that, they only lasted 1 hour about |
| 17:14:03 | citrix7 | yea |
| 17:14:20 | citrix7 | but now that i have charged them full first time, i can do some partial charges sometimes? |
| 17:14:23 | Sebulba02 | hense the manual says let charge for ~12 hours until first use :) |
| 17:14:32 | citrix7 | i dont have manual :) |
| 17:14:36 | diddystar5 | heh i used all 3 of my units out of the box until the batts were dead, then i charged them, and they were fine |
| 17:14:39 | citrix7 | i got refund though |
| 17:14:46 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 17:14:49 | Sebulba02 | well |
| 17:14:52 | diddystar5 | but now i have new 1800 batteries |
| 17:15:06 | citrix7 | the ones i killed were expensive 2000's |
| 17:15:13 | citrix7 | but i got money back (whew!) |
| 17:15:17 | diddystar5 | sometime ill get the new 2100's im seing around |
| 17:15:26 | diddystar5 | lol |
| 17:15:46 | Sebulba02 | Someday I might get bigger batteries, not much point to it at the moment. |
| 17:16:05 | citrix7 | i dont have to fully charge it everytime now right? now that i set them i can do 'some' partial charging? |
| 17:16:15 | diddystar5 | yes |
| 17:16:18 | citrix7 | cool |
| 17:16:40 | diddystar5 | i do partial carging all the time, and my batts are fine, ive have been using them for over 8 months now |
| 17:16:41 | Sebulba02 | yeah, but doing it to offen can hurt them also |
| 17:16:51 | Sebulba02 | hmm |
| 17:17:09 | diddystar5 | if your talking about the "memory effect", you can fix that |
| 17:17:23 | Sebulba02 | ? |
| 17:17:33 | citrix7 | deep discharge right? |
| 17:17:43 | diddystar5 | just completely discharge your batteries, and totaly recharge |
| 17:17:44 | Sebulba02 | I'd guess |
| 17:18:39 | citrix7 | oh, another question. im using a wps that has battery indicator on it. is that thing just using the archos meter to read the batt life to me, or doing its own thing? |
| 17:18:41 | diddystar5 | i have never had to do it |
| 17:19:18 | diddystar5 | citrix7: its calculated by rockbox |
| 17:21:05 | citrix7 | ok. thanks |
| 17:21:44 | citrix7 | anyway, now im chargin from 25% back up. hopefully the locking up problems are because of low batt. i will know tomorrow. |
| 17:21:49 | citrix7 | thanks for the help all |
| 17:22:09 | diddystar5 | welcome |
| 17:22:39 | diddystar5 | i heard you bought an archos becuase of midknight2k3 |
| 17:22:58 | citrix7 | well, i found a web log from this channel |
| 17:23:05 | citrix7 | and he was talking about it with some guy |
| 17:23:11 | citrix7 | and i was on the fence |
| 17:23:15 | citrix7 | so i tried it. and i love it |
| 17:23:32 | diddystar5 | heh what else were you concidering to get? |
| 17:23:33 | citrix7 | i got it used. but i also had option to buy used iPod. |
| 17:23:40 | diddystar5 | ohh |
| 17:23:45 | citrix7 | but it was alot more money |
| 17:23:50 | citrix7 | 2 times |
| 17:24:00 | diddystar5 | yep |
| 17:24:31 | citrix7 | btw- here in israel, a NEW recorder 15 is $400!!!!!!!! |
| 17:24:43 | Sebulba02 | ouch |
| 17:24:51 | citrix7 | and a iPod 20gb is over 600$ if you can find one |
| 17:25:14 | diddystar5 | WHAT!!!!! |
| 17:25:24 | diddystar5 | there like 200 or 300 i think |
| 17:25:42 | citrix7 | i got my used Rcdr15 for 200. which is cheap here. but the guy wanted 450$ for the used ipod. and i didnt want to spend the extra |
| 17:25:44 | Sebulba02 | depends |
| 17:25:58 | citrix7 | israel has a HUGE tax on items like that |
| 17:26:03 | diddystar5 | thats a rip off |
| 17:26:07 | citrix7 | computer parts are crazy expensive too |
| 17:26:09 | Sebulba02 | that sucks |
| 17:26:21 | citrix7 | im american too, so im used to better prices |
| 17:26:26 | diddystar5 | i bought my recorder 20 for 275$ |
| 17:26:54 | * | Sebulba02 got his on sale for $220ish ;) |
| 17:27:10 | citrix7 | if i want to i can put in a bigger hdd in my rcdr 15 right? |
| 17:27:26 | diddystar5 | yep |
| 17:27:36 | citrix7 | cool. |
| 17:27:39 | diddystar5 | mctubster.com/hd.html |
| 17:28:00 | citrix7 | only think i liked about the ipod was its a bit smaller and it has inline remote |
| 17:28:19 | diddystar5 | it looks kinda hard, but its really easy when you do it |
| 17:28:39 | Sebulba02 | cool |
| 17:29:07 | diddystar5 | heh i have had to COMPLETELY take apart my archos a few weeks ago to fix it |
| 17:29:21 | citrix7 | what was wrong? |
| 17:29:33 | diddystar5 | the wire that powers the HD was broken |
| 17:29:57 | citrix7 | im not good at that kind of thing. i would have been lost on what was wrong or how to fix it |
| 17:31:23 | diddystar5 | its really easy to do that, just take the screws of the front plate thing, and pull it up, take the 4 screws holding the hd in, pull of the top 2 bumbers, pull the unit out of its shell, pull out the hd |
| 17:31:44 | diddystar5 | and put it back |
| 17:31:56 | citrix7 | the pics on that site make it look easy. but i would still not feel good about doing it |
| 17:32:17 | diddystar5 | just have to be careful not to bend the shell up when you put the bumbers back in |
| 17:33:09 | citrix7 | i have a 20gb hard drive at my house. if my current trouble continues, i might try to put it in |
| 17:33:11 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 17:35:26 | diddystar5 | man those friggen flash drives are expensive the 1gb ones are like 280$ |
| 17:35:47 | citrix7 | yea. i got my archos for less then a new 128mb costs here |
| 17:35:56 | diddystar5 | lol |
| 17:36:43 | citrix7 | btw - freenode kicks me alot. never pings me like it should. have no probs with undernet or quake net. any idea? |
| 17:36:55 | citrix7 | no 'ping pong' |
| 17:37:03 | diddystar5 | lol |
| 17:37:09 | diddystar5 | one sec |
| 17:37:26 | diddystar5 | not sure |
| 17:37:30 | citrix7 | strange |
| 17:37:36 | diddystar5 | freenode pings you? |
| 17:37:53 | citrix7 | irc servers in general should. to see if you active |
| 17:37:59 | citrix7 | like undernet does |
| 17:38:11 | diddystar5 | i never get pinged by freenode |
| 17:38:15 | citrix7 | if i dont type for 10 min or so, i get dissconnected |
| 17:38:35 | citrix7 | on undernet or quake, i can sit all day without typing |
| 17:38:52 | diddystar5 | weird |
| 17:39:15 | citrix7 | i heard it was a problem using kaaza, but that didnt fix my problem |
| 17:40:55 | diddystar5 | omg: a 1gb flash drive cost ~280$, and a iriver 1.5gb flashmp3 player costs 235$ |
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| 17:42:55 | Sebulba02 | Thats not too bad. |
| 17:43:14 | citrix7 | IRiver IFP-595T 512MB Flash Mp3 Player/Recoder + FM |
| 17:43:14 | citrix7 | |
| 17:43:23 | citrix7 | cost 450$ here |
| 17:43:27 | diddystar5 | wow |
| 17:43:34 | Sebulba02 | thats sick |
| 17:43:36 | diddystar5 | ipod 40gb costs that |
| 17:43:37 | citrix7 | totally |
| 17:43:58 | _Laurent | citrix7: why don't you order it via amazon uk ? |
| 17:44:05 | citrix7 | i dont have a credit card |
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| 17:44:13 | _Laurent | good reason I guess |
| 17:44:23 | citrix7 | and if i did. i have top pay shipping PLUS 18% local tax, PLUS customs charge |
| 17:44:35 | diddystar5 | go on a trip to the uk and load on on stuff :) |
| 17:44:57 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 17:45:06 | diddystar5 | hide the stuff in your pockets |
| 17:45:06 | citrix7 | i went to china 2 months ago and got a gameboy SP and a PS2. that was cheap |
| 17:45:14 | diddystar5 | heh |
| 17:45:30 | diddystar5 | i gotta go |
| 17:45:42 | diddystar5 | bye citrix7 _Laurent Sebulba02 |
| 17:45:45 | citrix7 | bye dude |
| 17:45:47 | _Laurent | bye |
| 17:45:49 | citrix7 | im out too. bye all. |
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| 17:45:53 | citrix7 | thanks for the help |
| 17:45:56 | Sebulba02 | later |
| 17:45:59 | _Laurent | c u ! |
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| 20:48:48 | FrankIncensed | I have an archos recorder 20 with rockbox 2.0 Ive never had a problem unti today. Suddenly im getting the following msg. HD register error SC1 (65) 227 SN1 (170) 0 SC2 (170) 18 |
| 20:49:10 | diddystar5 | ok |
| 20:49:14 | diddystar5 | thats not rockbox |
| 20:49:26 | diddystar5 | did you reformat your HD? |
| 20:49:33 | FrankIncensed | no |
| 20:49:37 | FrankIncensed | no |
| 20:49:59 | diddystar5 | can you hook up usb? |
| 20:50:03 | FrankIncensed | rockbox loads over the archos os |
| 20:50:03 | FrankIncensed | no |
| 20:50:27 | FrankIncensed | it wont go past that error msg |
| 20:50:52 | FrankIncensed | i did drop it the other day, but only a short distance, could it be a hard drive is shot |
| 20:52:12 | diddystar5 | thats most likly |
| 20:52:31 | FrankIncensed | any suggestions for a good hd replacement |
| 20:52:33 | diddystar5 | some people have had luck by shaking their unit up a bit |
| 20:52:43 | FrankIncensed | i tried that too |
| 20:52:44 | diddystar5 | i know it sounds weird |
| 20:53:11 | diddystar5 | what capcity of a hard drive have are you wanting? |
| 20:53:26 | FrankIncensed | i will try anything at this point, as i cant get past that msg error or use usb |
| 20:53:30 | FrankIncensed | 20 g is fine |
| 20:55:08 | FrankIncensed | it will show battery charging, but when i hit on it shows that error msg |
| 20:55:43 | diddystar5 | i dont know all that much on the 20 gig drives |
| 20:56:09 | FrankIncensed | well anything that has worked well for you is cool too |
| 20:56:13 | diddystar5 | any 20gig 2.5 ide drive will work |
| 20:57:00 | FrankIncensed | do you just reinstall the rockbox os on the new drive or do you have to have the archos os first |
| 20:57:17 | diddystar5 | yes, you reinstall rockbox onthe hard rive |
| 20:57:56 | diddystar5 | if you want archos firmware, dont put any firmware on the hard rive, it will just boot up with the original version |
| 20:58:21 | FrankIncensed | really, even though the old hd is gone |
| 20:58:39 | _Laurent | you might want to try to use the HD on a laptop if you are willing to disassemble your unit |
| 20:59:00 | _Laurent | in order to check that the HD is really over and try to reformat it |
| 20:59:12 | _Laurent | (my 2 cents) |
| 20:59:25 | FrankIncensed | yea thats a good idea too thaks |
| 20:59:47 | Sebulba02 | They just take straight laptop harddrives? |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:27 | FrankIncensed | any brand name hds that have worked well |
| 21:01:55 | | Nick diddystar5 is now known as dstar5 (Lee@ACD390EC.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:02:06 | | Nick dstar5 is now known as diddystar5 (Lee@ACD390EC.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:02:22 | diddystar5 | ibm, hitachi... |
| 21:02:41 | FrankIncensed | but it should be a laptop hd? |
| 21:03:19 | _Laurent | FrankIncensed: you will be able to connect it only to a laptop, 2"5 inches HD have special connectors that only laptops have |
| 21:03:40 | diddystar5 | brb in a min |
| 21:03:42 | | Quit diddystar5 ("Leaving") |
| 21:04:03 | _Laurent | Sebulba02: my gmini's hd is an Hitachi travelstar, typical laptop HD |
| 21:04:42 | Sebulba02 | cool |
| 21:05:18 | | Join diddystar5 [0] (Lee@AC8290D5.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:06:28 | FrankIncensed | but the replacement hd for the archos should be a laptop hd...sorry im not much of a techie |
| 21:06:35 | _Laurent | exactly |
| 21:06:45 | FrankIncensed | thanks |
| 21:07:06 | _Laurent | FrankIncensed: when you extract the HD from your archos, youwill be able to read its name and model, you might buy the same if you want to be sure it works |
| 21:07:28 | FrankIncensed | gotcha |
| 21:07:47 | dsg | FrankIncensed: Just make sure the new HD doesn't drain too much power. |
| 21:08:10 | dsg | Power consumption is also on the label. I've seen laptop HDs that drain 2A. That's ridiculous. |
| 21:08:11 | FrankIncensed | how do you know if it is to much power |
| 21:08:17 | dsg | Will kill your battery very fast. |
| 21:08:35 | dsg | It's on the label on the front of your disk. |
| 21:08:39 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 21:08:41 | dsg | Try to get one that doesn't use much more. |
| 21:08:45 | _Laurent | wait, I have a photograph, consumption is probably on it |
| 21:08:51 | _Laurent | let me find it |
| 21:09:05 | FrankIncensed | use guys are great, thanks for all the help |
| 21:09:14 | | Join Bluechip [0] (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:09:40 | diddystar5 | hey Bluechip |
| 21:09:44 | Bluechip | hey diddy |
| 21:09:50 | diddystar5 | hows wianmp5 pro? :) |
| 21:10:07 | Bluechip | im gonna try it NOW ...LOL |
| 21:10:34 | diddystar5 | :) |
| 21:10:47 | _Laurent | http://lgiroud.chez.tiscali.fr/photos/IMG_0182.JPG on the HD, you can see under "MODEL : ", voltage and amperage are indicated |
| 21:11:37 | FrankIncensed | yes i see it thanks alot |
| 21:11:39 | Bluechip | What happened with the online gmini photos? |
| 21:11:55 | _Laurent | Bluechip: huh ? they're still online, why ? |
| 21:12:05 | Bluechip | thought they had gone!! |
| 21:12:10 | Bluechip | ust have misread the newsgroup |
| 21:12:15 | Bluechip | must* |
| 21:12:30 | _Laurent | those from Eric Linenberg are gone |
| 21:13:01 | _Laurent | but I left mine, Archos is french firm, I'm french, and french law does not allow them to attack me so I'm safe ;) |
| 21:13:01 | Bluechip | riight |
| 21:13:10 | Bluechip | WHAT!!?? |
| 21:13:16 | _Laurent | s/is french/is a french/g |
| 21:13:36 | _Laurent | is it so strange that I'm french ? ;) |
| 21:13:53 | Bluechip | it is strange that you cannot be sued by a french company |
| 21:14:00 | Bluechip | :P |
| 21:14:23 | diddystar5 | heh |
| 21:14:43 | _Laurent | there's no law on circumvention techniques, and even then, reverse engineering is allowed for interoperability purposes and has strong support in Europe so there's not much risk |
| 21:14:50 | Bluechip | diddy: do all my winamp 2 plugins work with winamp 5? |
| 21:15:06 | diddystar5 | Bluechip: like what? |
| 21:15:19 | Bluechip | gotcher - more that eric is US, not so much you are FR |
| 21:15:29 | Bluechip | MOD, CDG |
| 21:15:38 | _Laurent | I mean circumvention of privacy prevention techniques, not circumvention techniques |
| 21:15:57 | Bluechip | i feel a jewish joke brewing up - lol |
| 21:16:01 | diddystar5 | Bluechip: should, but there are alot of new plugins for winamp5 |
| 21:16:14 | _Laurent | woody allenish one ? |
| 21:16:17 | _Laurent | ;) |
| 21:16:21 | diddystar5 | you can just back up your winamp2 just incase |
| 21:16:25 | Bluechip | lol - that'll do :) |
| 21:17:24 | Sebulba02 | heh, you won't need to.. wa5 rocks |
| 21:17:35 | _Laurent | xmms rocks ;) |
| 21:17:47 | diddystar5 | even better when you have the pro version for free :) |
| 21:18:12 | Bluechip | NullSoft Video format - THAT is needless! |
| 21:18:35 | diddystar5 | heh havent even looked at that |
| 21:19:17 | Bluechip | as for ripping & burning, I am EAC+LAME (have been for a l-o-n-g time) and NERO v5 |
| 21:19:27 | diddystar5 | the one thing that annoys me is there wanting money for the pro verison, and thaqt they put a option to put an aol icon on desktop |
| 21:19:54 | diddystar5 | Bluechip: i use eac and lame to |
| 21:20:02 | Bluechip | AOL purchased winamp just before it went to v3 |
| 21:20:06 | _Laurent | sure, i'd pay billions of an aol icon on my desktop |
| 21:20:08 | diddystar5 | i havent even really tried winamps encoder |
| 21:20:12 | _Laurent | of = for |
| 21:20:32 | Bluechip | what EAC+LAME options do you favour? |
| 21:20:35 | _Laurent | *that* is a feature ;) |
| 21:21:03 | Bluechip | Did you hear that AOL files the worst loss of any company ever last year? |
| 21:21:08 | diddystar5 | Bluechip: you mean verison? |
| 21:21:08 | Bluechip | filed* |
| 21:21:20 | diddystar5 | oh n/m |
| 21:21:34 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 21:21:37 | diddystar5 | i like 192kps cbr |
| 21:21:37 | Sebulba02 | not suprising |
| 21:21:52 | diddystar5 | and using cddb |
| 21:22:03 | diddystar5 | and er well lots of options |
| 21:22:20 | Bluechip | I went for 160 cbr q0 joint stereo |
| 21:22:59 | Bluechip | 160 seemed a fair compromise between quality and size |
| 21:23:13 | _Laurent | i don't know how those capitalists champions manage to lose so much money while being so sure of how the economical system should work |
| 21:23:13 | diddystar5 | 192 is better for me |
| 21:23:14 | Sebulba02 | only thing I rip audio off of is DVDs.. |
| 21:23:46 | Bluechip | so where do you get your mp3's from? |
| 21:24:05 | diddystar5 | i wonder is andrea (the guy making EAC) has been workin on it |
| 21:24:14 | diddystar5 | there hasnt been any updates in forever |
| 21:24:49 | diddystar5 | me? i go to my libary, and get cds to rip my libary has a huge collection |
| 21:25:27 | Sebulba02 | whos? |
| 21:25:32 | Sebulba02 | oh |
| 21:25:50 | diddystar5 | i used napster/aimster/morpheus/kazza and some otherones for a while, but i havent downloaded anyhting in over a year |
| 21:26:07 | * | Sebulba02 rips webstreams also |
| 21:26:18 | Bluechip | i reported a whole stream of bugs to him ...clearly outlined with "howto reproduce" and got an email back saying (in essence) "not interested" ...expcept one bug, which he said he could not fix although he had tried (dos window stealing focus) |
| 21:26:42 | Bluechip | hey seb, any idea how to streambox stuff from BBC.CO.UK |
| 21:26:45 | diddystar5 | heh plugh did the same, and he became a admin |
| 21:27:13 | Bluechip | weeiirrd |
| 21:27:14 | Sebulba02 | streambox? |
| 21:27:16 | _Laurent | Bluechip: who are you talking of ? |
| 21:27:26 | _Laurent | of = about |
| 21:27:41 | * | _Laurent makes mistakes after mistakes as far as english is concerned |
| 21:27:54 | Bluechip | l: sorry, there are two chats here ...bug reports to EAC bloke |
| 21:28:19 | _Laurent | is it open source ? |
| 21:28:23 | Bluechip | no :( |
| 21:28:24 | Sebulba02 | heh, try being in 4 different conversations in two channels |
| 21:28:28 | Bluechip | but it IS free |
| 21:28:35 | diddystar5 | ohh |
| 21:29:53 | diddystar5 | Bluechip: got winamp 5 up yet? |
| 21:30:04 | Bluechip | 3....2.... |
| 21:30:30 | Bluechip | 1-and-a-bit |
| 21:30:36 | Sebulba02 | what did you mean streambox Bluechip? |
| 21:30:47 | Bluechip | Streambox is used to rip Real Media |
| 21:31:08 | _Laurent | bluchip : url for eac ? |
| 21:31:18 | Sebulba02 | err, nope. Stuff I have only does icecast/shoutcast streams |
| 21:31:24 | diddystar5 | http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ |
| 21:31:27 | _Laurent | it could be non free but open source ;) |
| 21:31:36 | Bluechip | lol |
| 21:31:59 | Sebulba02 | err |
| 21:32:45 | _Laurent | ah I see, it's the windows equivalent of cdparanoia on linux |
| 21:33:31 | Bluechip | cool - a decent ripper for Linux - one less reason to run Windows ...tick, tick, tick |
| 21:33:44 | FrankIncensed | anyone have an archos 20 gig recorder special edition v2 |
| 21:33:54 | Bluechip | why? |
| 21:33:57 | Bluechip | (no) |
| 21:34:34 | _Laurent | FrankIncensed: no |
| 21:34:53 | * | _Laurent thinks iTunes on linux would be nice |
| 21:34:55 | FrankIncensed | was looking on ebay and they had one on sale, just wondered what it was, hadnt heard of it |
| 21:35:13 | _Laurent | (though being closed source) |
| 21:35:22 | _Laurent | though = despite |
| 21:35:38 | Bluechip | not sure about the "sepcial ed" probably just advertising hype |
| 21:35:53 | Bluechip | closed source is okay ...free is of the essence |
| 21:36:44 | _Laurent | reminds me of an enigma in dungeon master, "speed is of the essence" or something like it |
| 21:37:06 | _Laurent | man, that was a great game |
| 21:37:09 | Bluechip | lol - wow heritage TV |
| 21:37:10 | Sebulba02 | free? everything is free if you know where to look.. ;) |
| 21:37:12 | _Laurent | but i'm off topic there ;) |
| 21:37:41 | diddystar5 | heh |
| 21:37:45 | diddystar5 | Sebulba02: correct |
| 21:37:45 | _Laurent | Sebulba02: even a private cell with a sodomite companion might be given to you free if you want ;) |
| 21:37:58 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 21:38:18 | _Laurent | but you might not be free to get out of the cell so often I guess ;) |
| 21:38:27 | _Laurent | so = very |
| 21:38:39 | Sebulba02 | how true indeed |
| 21:39:49 | * | Sebulba02 encrypts his fileserver |
| 21:40:03 | _Laurent | "not all that is free is to be desired" says the wise |
| 21:40:22 | Sebulba02 | "not all that is desired is free" |
| 21:40:30 | Bluechip | Rules are for FOOLS to follow ...and for Wise Men to be GUIDED by |
| 21:40:38 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 21:40:43 | _Laurent | true |
| 21:41:11 | _Laurent | lets change this place into a philosophical channel ;) |
| 21:41:21 | Sebulba02 | darn straight |
| 21:41:36 | _Laurent | so about Plato and the cavern myth, I'd said... |
| 21:41:42 | _Laurent | said = say |
| 21:42:00 | Bluechip | If an Archos unit crashes and you have already fallen asleep, does it display a Panic error before the batteries fail? |
| 21:42:27 | _Laurent | I can't see how the fact that you are asleep affects the archos ;) |
| 21:42:41 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 21:42:45 | Bluechip | if a tree falls in a forest and no-one is around does it make a sound? |
| 21:42:53 | Sebulba02 | of course |
| 21:43:00 | _Laurent | oh, I thought it was a real question ;) |
| 21:43:03 | Bluechip | LOL |
| 21:43:08 | Sebulba02 | lol |
| 21:43:13 | Bluechip | no, it was my philosphical humour |
| 21:43:17 | * | _Laurent slaps himself |
| 21:43:53 | _Laurent | a question that puzzled me while a child : do other people think ? how can we have a proof of it ? |
| 21:44:20 | Sebulba02 | My answer would be no, people don't think. |
| 21:44:37 | Sebulba02 | Personal experience has proven that to me. |
| 21:44:38 | _Laurent | that closes the debate pretty efficientely indeed ;) |
| 21:44:59 | Sebulba02 | Some do, but not the majority. |
| 21:45:29 | Bluechip | It depends on how you define thought... Some suggest that thought is conceptual, others suggest that thought is just electrical motion, I favour that thought is defined by action ....there may be other options |
| 21:45:34 | _Laurent | hum, I'd say, all people think, but some people mindframe is twisted |
| 21:45:52 | _Laurent | or closed enough that they act without thinking out of the box |
| 21:46:15 | _Laurent | (it you can understand what I mean, which is not obvious I wouldn't myself) ;) |
| 21:46:30 | Sebulba02 | Or 'flock', following the crowd instead of coming to their own conclusions. |
| 21:46:44 | Bluechip | thinking "out of the box" is only really "thinking within a larger box" ...you are still limited to experience and diversion |
| 21:47:01 | _Laurent | you can think without action though, that would invalidate the action/thought relation |
| 21:47:09 | Sebulba02 | True. |
| 21:47:12 | _Laurent | Bluechip: true !! |
| 21:47:35 | _Laurent | no one ever gets to understand everything, only what he had access to |
| 21:47:57 | _Laurent | though buddhist say you can acheive a complete understanding of reality |
| 21:48:02 | _Laurent | buddhists |
| 21:48:10 | _Laurent | call me mistake man |
| 21:48:20 | Sebulba02 | I'm sure they would think so. |
| 21:48:22 | FrankIncensed | laurent you mentioned having a Gmini how does it compare to the older models |
| 21:48:43 | Sebulba02 | aww, put us back on topic.. |
| 21:48:54 | Bluechip | I think the most important part is trust ...how often have you had someone askfor you advice and then do something else ...surely if you were their choice of help, why ignore you? |
| 21:49:11 | FrankIncensed | and speaking of buddhists, i practice that |
| 21:49:19 | Sebulba02 | Bluechip: indeed |
| 21:49:20 | Bluechip | once you trust first and doubt later you can learn at double/trebble the speed |
| 21:49:28 | _Laurent | FrankIncensed : nice retro lit lcd, recorder, mp3/wma/wav player, C/F card reader |
| 21:49:46 | FrankIncensed | and as you can see I dont understand much of this techie stuff |
| 21:50:01 | Bluechip | Frank. May I ask what is your view on what occurs just before/during/after death? |
| 21:50:22 | _Laurent | FrankIncensed: more and more people adhere to the buddhist philosophy |
| 21:51:01 | FrankIncensed | if any of you dl music files, i have a bunch of zen talks posted by my teacher,t ehy are very good |
| 21:51:13 | Bluechip | where? |
| 21:51:27 | _Laurent | that would be interesting for sure |
| 21:51:35 | FrankIncensed | what happens depends on what you think is going to happen i guess,, i personally belive in reincarnation |
| 21:51:36 | Sebulba02 | Indeed |
| 21:51:48 | FrankIncensed | slsk.org, you have to dl the program |
| 21:52:04 | FrankIncensed | look in my world-buddhist-zen talk folder |
| 21:52:08 | Bluechip | so buddhism would allow me to believe that death is the end, if I so wished? |
| 21:52:11 | * | _Laurent is not a big fan of downloading programs ;) |
| 21:52:19 | * | Bluechip is the same |
| 21:52:52 | FrankIncensed | sure |
| 21:53:03 | diddystar5 | goota go everyone |
| 21:53:06 | diddystar5 | time to eat |
| 21:53:08 | diddystar5 | bye |
| 21:53:11 | Bluechip | l8rz dude |
| 21:53:14 | Sebulba02 | later |
| 21:53:20 | | Quit diddystar5 ("Leaving") |
| 21:53:21 | | Join top_bloke [0] (~ekolb_pot@c-24-14-131-197.client.comcast.net) |
| 21:53:29 | FrankIncensed | there are many different types of buddhist philosophy one size does not fit all |
| 21:53:45 | FrankIncensed | not much dogma in zen especially, |
| 21:53:48 | _Laurent | there are four main streams if I recall well |
| 21:53:58 | FrankIncensed | you are encouraged to test the waters |
| 21:54:09 | Bluechip | suspension of disbelief |
| 21:54:18 | Bluechip | trust first - doubt later |
| 21:54:41 | FrankIncensed | no doubt first |
| 21:54:45 | _Laurent | i'm not so sure about this trust first doubt later |
| 21:54:57 | FrankIncensed | yea doubt first always |
| 21:55:04 | Bluechip | no, it takes a strong mind to achieve that level of learning |
| 21:55:20 | FrankIncensed | no it takes a beggingers mind |
| 21:55:26 | _Laurent | I think it's more like the scientific method : read the theory, get the facts, apply the theory, see if it fits and reject/accept according to the result |
| 21:55:32 | FrankIncensed | an unfrettered mind |
| 21:55:58 | FrankIncensed | buddhist theroy is very in tune with scientific theroy |
| 21:56:05 | Bluechip | <what> is more like the scientific method? |
| 21:56:18 | Bluechip | oh buddhism, right |
| 21:56:23 | _Laurent | the buddhist credo |
| 21:56:47 | Bluechip | but to analyse the problem, you must first trust that the problem exists |
| 21:57:07 | Bluechip | if you doubt the claim, then you will not analyse the situation |
| 21:58:12 | FrankIncensed | zen is more like just be and things tend to work out for themselves, we tend to overcomplicate everything, at least i do |
| 21:58:18 | _Laurent | that's why scientists are much interested by buddhists methods such as meditation especially in neuroscience |
| 21:58:25 | FrankIncensed | right |
| 21:58:43 | Bluechip | meditation is a VERY powerful tool |
| 21:58:45 | FrankIncensed | theyve done lots of experiments on meditating monks |
| 21:58:48 | Bluechip | VERY VERY VERY |
| 21:58:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:58:55 | FrankIncensed | very very very every |
| 21:59:08 | _Laurent | Bluechip: I think "doubt" mean "test before accepting" |
| 21:59:10 | Bluechip | Hypnotism is my take on meditation |
| 21:59:48 | FrankIncensed | yes exactly laurent |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:07 | _Laurent | what fascinates me is the possibility to enter a thoughtless state when meditating, I'd like to feel how it is, cause it's really hard to stop thinking ;) |
| 22:00:25 | FrankIncensed | can you use rockbox on the gemini laurent |
| 22:00:56 | Bluechip | My ideal is to take on board everything you have to tell me, trust you during that time, then try to think like you by using your information as a basis of process, then, when I have used that process, ONLY then will I put back *my* restricted view of the world and analyse your results for conformance |
| 22:01:03 | FrankIncensed | its even harder to stop thinking when you try to meditate, its called monkey mind because the thoughts bounce around in your head like chips doing tricks for bannanas |
| 22:01:11 | _Laurent | FrankIncensed: not yet, but I am working on it, I did not do much yet apart from disassembling my gmini to know its components, but I have contacted the CPU makers to get more information about it |
| 22:01:32 | FrankIncensed | so you think its a worth product |
| 22:01:36 | _Laurent | I like this image ;) |
| 22:02:12 | Bluechip | Frank. If you want to silence your mind, you would do well to read up on the section of hypnosis (same thing different name) about "utilisation" |
| 22:02:45 | FrankIncensed | meditation is working for me, it just takes a lot of practice |
| 22:02:56 | _Laurent | FrankIncensed: with rockbox on it I think it's a great product. I think its main interest lies in association with a digital camera, you can store pictures and record sounds. I hope to have it do more complex things with rockbox on it but it might reveal impossible. |
| 22:02:59 | Bluechip | or a good teacher |
| 22:03:41 | FrankIncensed | yea check out thoes zen talk files thoes that are interested, a very good teacher |
| 22:04:03 | Bluechip | it insists on installing some random exe on my hdd - i will track some down on p2p |
| 22:04:21 | _Laurent | Bluechip: your method might work too, though you need to have a good confidence on people you listen to first |
| 22:04:31 | Bluechip | yes yes yes |
| 22:04:38 | Bluechip | that is it |
| 22:04:42 | Bluechip | trust |
| 22:04:47 | Bluechip | trust FIRST |
| 22:04:53 | Bluechip | doubt LATER |
| 22:05:09 | Bluechip | if you believe someone to be a liar - trust them to lie |
| 22:05:27 | _Laurent | this raises a paradox : to have a good confidence in those people you need to have tested them before, so you doubted first ;) |
| 22:05:30 | Sebulba02 | Good philosophy |
| 22:06:12 | Bluechip | yes, which is why it takes a strong person |
| 22:06:55 | Bluechip | you have to realise that this system is made up of "rules" and as we all know EVERY rule will fail at SOME point |
| 22:07:11 | Sebulba02 | Naturally |
| 22:07:22 | FrankIncensed | suggestions more than rules actually |
| 22:07:39 | FrankIncensed | more like for ever action there is a reaction |
| 22:07:41 | Bluechip | i say "rules" rather than "facts" ...but yes |
| 22:07:58 | _Laurent | I don't see buddhism as a set of rules more as logical deductions from basic simple precepts |
| 22:08:00 | FrankIncensed | thats what karma is all about |
| 22:08:10 | FrankIncensed | right |
| 22:08:23 | Bluechip | I think we're down to semantics now :) |
| 22:08:30 | _Laurent | :) |
| 22:08:34 | Bluechip | (this is a GOOD point during a conversation) |
| 22:08:45 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 22:08:57 | FrankIncensed | a set of choices and consequences for the choices |
| 22:09:25 | Bluechip | yes, you should feel free to make any choice I offer you |
| 22:09:26 | Bluechip | lol |
| 22:09:43 | Bluechip | <Milton Erickson> |
| 22:10:20 | | Quit top_bloke ("The mind is a terrible thing to taste. Wasted 30 seconds online.") |
| 22:10:22 | _Laurent | if it's about feeling, that's not a problem as long as you're free not to make them ;) |
| 22:10:34 | Bluechip | soooooo ,....what kindly person might lke to consider the choice of testing my win32sim patch? |
| 22:10:46 | _Laurent | no windows on my machine sorry ;) |
| 22:11:05 | Bluechip | hee hee |
| 22:12:56 | Sebulba02 | uhh, none here either :) |
| 22:13:22 | Bluechip | is the x11 sim just as broken? |
| 22:13:35 | _Laurent | no idea |
| 22:13:45 | Sebulba02 | probably |
| 22:13:48 | _Laurent | what was broken in the win version ? |
| 22:13:55 | Sebulba02 | thats what I was using yesterday |
| 22:13:56 | Bluechip | all dir based menu options |
| 22:14:05 | Bluechip | plugins, firmware etc etc |
| 22:14:12 | Sebulba02 | plugins worked |
| 22:14:14 | Sebulba02 | though |
| 22:14:26 | Bluechip | via the menu? |
| 22:14:42 | Sebulba02 | sure |
| 22:14:53 | Bluechip | withOUT making loads of extra dirs on your machine by hand? |
| 22:15:09 | Sebulba02 | uh, no.. i had to create .rockbox/rocks/ |
| 22:15:14 | Bluechip | ahahhhaaaaaaa |
| 22:15:16 | Bluechip | fixed |
| 22:15:17 | Sebulba02 | but you would on a recorder anyways :) |
| 22:15:30 | Bluechip | not in a sim |
| 22:15:32 | _Laurent | augh, I thought you were talking about "the sims" and was wondering "why is there a firmware/plugin menu in this game ?" |
| 22:15:52 | Sebulba02 | ugh, that game blows dogs |
| 22:16:00 | Bluechip | nooooooooo |
| 22:16:14 | FrankIncensed | thanks for all the help |
| 22:16:20 | Bluechip | ok mate |
| 22:16:23 | FrankIncensed | see yas |
| 22:16:23 | Bluechip | ur welcome |
| 22:16:26 | Bluechip | byeeeee |
| 22:16:26 | _Laurent | you are welcome |
| 22:16:35 | | Quit FrankIncensed ("Leaving") |
| 22:16:36 | _Laurent | bye ! |
| 22:17:18 | Sebulba02 | god, I gotta start being more productive |
| 22:17:25 | Bluechip | lol |
| 22:17:28 | _Laurent | I was thinking the same |
| 22:17:32 | _Laurent | about me ;) |
| 22:17:37 | Bluechip | LOL |
| 22:17:45 | Sebulba02 | thats reassuring |
| 22:17:52 | Bluechip | some guy wants "mkdir" in the menu |
| 22:17:59 | Bluechip | that's gotta be a two min job |
| 22:18:05 | Sebulba02 | doesn't the function already exist? |
| 22:18:09 | Bluechip | gosub getname, gosub mkdir |
| 22:18:10 | _Laurent | there's one on archos gmini firmware |
| 22:18:26 | Bluechip | even better still, just port that one over |
| 22:18:41 | _Laurent | there's a special menu button on the gmini |
| 22:18:51 | Bluechip | we call it "ON" |
| 22:18:53 | _Laurent | it serves as a context menu |
| 22:19:23 | Sebulba02 | I would think moving/renaming/deleting files would also be good |
| 22:19:39 | _Laurent | let me see |
| 22:19:39 | Bluechip | there we go, you're being more productive already :) |
| 22:19:56 | _Laurent | please stop breathing while I check |
| 22:19:56 | Bluechip | "annnddd ahead of the starters gun HE IS OFF :)" |
| 22:19:57 | _Laurent | :) |
| 22:20:10 | Bluechip | lol |
| 22:20:22 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 22:20:33 | _Laurent | if you're on a folder menu says "record, create folder, delete folder, rename folder" |
| 22:20:34 | * | Bluechip starts to appreciate the value of his first half of his nickname |
| 22:20:37 | Sebulba02 | I'm just thinking, I don't want to implement it :) |
| 22:20:59 | Bluechip | nah, leave it to someone else :) |
| 22:21:10 | Sebulba02 | Its the American way |
| 22:21:13 | Bluechip | who likes peer approval anyway? |
| 22:21:18 | Bluechip | lol |
| 22:21:40 | Sebulba02 | hehe |
| 22:21:58 | Sebulba02 | If I understood the code, I would. |
| 22:22:05 | Bluechip | do you code in C? |
| 22:22:05 | _Laurent | if you're on a file it says "record, file info, rename file, delete file, delete all files (in current folder), create folder" |
| 22:22:18 | Sebulba02 | To some extent, not very strong with it. |
| 22:22:21 | * | _Laurent doesn't get the "blue" thing |
| 22:22:36 | Bluechip | _Laurent: hold breath, turn blue |
| 22:22:56 | Sebulba02 | ah |
| 22:23:01 | Bluechip | Seb, would you LIKE to have this skill? |
| 22:23:17 | _Laurent | :) |
| 22:23:23 | Sebulba02 | I'm already working on that skill. I have to write a wireless simulator in C++ :) |
| 22:23:24 | _Laurent | to turn blue ? |
| 22:23:35 | _Laurent | is turning blue a desirable skill ? I wonder ;) |
| 22:23:43 | Bluechip | literally - lack of oxygen from not breathing |
| 22:23:54 | Sebulba02 | Don't hold your breath. |
| 22:23:57 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bluechip |
| 22:23:57 | Bluechip | [21:19] <_Laurent> please stop breathing while I check |
| 22:24:17 | Sebulba02 | ahh, totally missed that |
| 22:24:28 | _Laurent | yup, I got it :) |
| 22:24:47 | Bluechip | _Laurent: yeah, kinda glad YOU got it, being the one that said it an' all - LOL |
| 22:25:00 | _Laurent | :) |
| 22:25:34 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 22:25:57 | Bluechip | so, seb, what feature would you like to add to rockbox to help you learn? |
| 22:26:00 | _Laurent | you might not know,but there's a paypal link on the website, who does it benefit when someone contributes ? |
| 22:26:16 | Bluechip | not me |
| 22:26:30 | Bluechip | (that's as helpful as I get here) |
| 22:26:49 | Sebulba02 | I was thinking of making it so you could have the time in Internet heartbeats, but my head started hurting when I started looking for the code. |
| 22:27:10 | Bluechip | okay, let me start you in the right place.... |
| 22:27:30 | Bluechip | brb |
| 22:29:41 | Sebulba02 | code documentation would be a nice thing |
| 22:29:52 | Bluechip | you can sure do that if you like |
| 22:30:05 | Bluechip | add preocdeure headers to eveything |
| 22:30:13 | Sebulba02 | That would require understanding it first. |
| 22:30:31 | Bluechip | i would disagree - I would suggest that it would be a great focus to aid you learning |
| 22:31:08 | _Laurent | back |
| 22:31:26 | Sebulba02 | Possibly |
| 22:31:45 | Bluechip | Seb, check out /apps/recorder/icons.c:306 |
| 22:31:55 | Sebulba02 | icons.c!? |
| 22:31:57 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:31:57 | * | _Laurent has installed a new toy for his cat and it's probably going to incite the neighbours to kill him quickly |
| 22:32:15 | _Laurent | bluechip : ok, I was just curious ;) |
| 22:32:18 | Bluechip | yes, maybe "statusbar.c" would have been nicer, but hey |
| 22:32:54 | Sebulba02 | looks simple enough |
| 22:33:17 | Bluechip | i found "status_draw" in "status.c" and that led me (via grep) to "icons.c" |
| 22:33:36 | Sebulba02 | of course the offset from the dateline is also required, but I don't think thats stored anywhere. |
| 22:33:51 | Bluechip | "offset from the date line?" |
| 22:34:05 | Bluechip | midknights clock.c displays the date |
| 22:34:05 | Sebulba02 | yeah, beat dates are printed in GMT |
| 22:34:18 | Sebulba02 | I know, I helped him hack some stuff into it |
| 22:34:40 | Bluechip | you would need to add a new input for TIME-ZONE |
| 22:34:57 | Sebulba02 | Indeed. |
| 22:35:09 | Bluechip | that's nice and easy |
| 22:35:54 | Bluechip | cls, print "time zone", if UP tzone++, if DOWN tzone−−, print tzone, loop |
| 22:36:55 | Bluechip | store the value wherever the volume is stored :) |
| 22:37:22 | Sebulba02 | I would think it should be an option to where you set the time. |
| 22:37:44 | Bluechip | yes, that would be a good place to put it - copy the 12/24hr code as your start point :) |
| 22:38:28 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 22:38:48 | Bluechip | i'm a real cut'n'paste programmer ;) |
| 22:39:09 | Sebulba02 | I try not to be |
| 22:39:16 | _Laurent | do you think xmas is a day off in south korea ? |
| 22:39:27 | Bluechip | <shrugs> |
| 22:41:02 | _Laurent | i'm trying to estimate when I'll get a reply from telechips, either one day or two depending on wether it's an off day or not |
| 22:41:15 | Bluechip | sorry |
| 22:42:08 | _Laurent | no pb, not a big deal anyway, i'm sorry to have interrupted you, please continue ;) |
| 22:42:44 | Bluechip | starting my new sound config routine |
| 22:43:03 | _Laurent | I have to get back to the firmware analysis too ;) |
| 22:44:58 | * | Sebulba02 is, err.. um, eating. |
| 22:47:34 | Sebulba02 | duh, global_settings is in settings.h |
| 22:51:14 | Sebulba02 | Bluechip: if your working on the sim, think you can make it where the keys are configurable also? :) |
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| 23:01:25 | Sebulba02 | gah, okay.. wtf did I do that f'd this so hard? |
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| 23:29:53 | Sebulba02 | ugh, bit shifting |
| 23:30:05 | diddystar5 | i cant believe what im doing :) |
| 23:30:14 | Sebulba02 | Do I want to know? |
| 23:30:57 | diddystar5 | i went to my libary, i made the bios on the puter im using to bott from cd, and now im on knoppix, and i have time limits are anything, and i have a T1 connection! |
| 23:31:17 | Sebulba02 | lol |
| 23:31:33 | diddystar5 | this is fun! |
| 23:31:44 | Sebulba02 | too bad you can't really download anything.. |
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| 23:31:58 | diddystar5 | and i can see the traffic going through the network, if i installed a packet sniffer now |
| 23:32:06 | diddystar5 | i can to the hd |
| 23:32:08 | Sebulba02 | hehe |
| 23:32:22 | Sebulba02 | dump it to your archos :) |
| 23:32:55 | diddystar5 | yeah! i can use usb now with knoppix on these computers |
| 23:33:01 | diddystar5 | thats gonna be fun! |
| 23:33:11 | diddystar5 | to bad i dont have my archos with me right now |
| 23:33:13 | Sebulba02 | until it dies from so much writing ;) |
| 23:33:41 | _Laurent | hum, interesting, I found that one guy from telechips.com is a member of the opendivx forum, might be another way to get in touch with them |
| 23:34:04 | kurzhaarrocker | Now we'd need something to boot knoppix via usb from rockbox... |
| 23:34:21 | Sebulba02 | you should be able to boot off a usb disc |
| 23:34:34 | Sebulba02 | just install something on it |
| 23:34:40 | diddystar5 | humm yeah |
| 23:34:46 | kurzhaarrocker | I'll try that later |
| 23:35:12 | Sebulba02 | only issue is, it'd be slow as dirt. Unless you mod'd a fast hd into it |
| 23:35:26 | Sebulba02 | & large batteries |
| 23:35:43 | _Laurent | diddystar5: excellent ! |
| 23:36:12 | Sebulba02 | anyone know if timezones are translated in different languages? |
| 23:36:19 | diddystar5 | omg this T1 is fast! |
| 23:36:25 | Sebulba02 | of course |
| 23:36:48 | * | diddystar5 is having lots of fun |
| 23:38:37 | diddystar5 | knoppix is a bit slow these puters are only 128 mb ram |
| 23:38:50 | Bluechip | oops - my window stopped doing the new-msg-flash ...did i miss anything? |
| 23:39:10 | Sebulba02 | of course |
| 23:39:17 | Bluechip | lol |
| 23:39:27 | Bluechip | pedant ;) |
| 23:40:08 | Sebulba02 | ugh, I bet rockbox doesn't handle daylight savings time either, does it? |
| 23:40:18 | diddystar5 | i dunno |
| 23:40:39 | Bluechip | would need the time-zone info to do it - so no |
| 23:41:05 | Sebulba02 | gah |
| 23:41:29 | Sebulba02 | Just typing in all these timezones would take me an hour.. god help anyone who would translate them. |
| 23:41:50 | Bluechip | just do GMT+-X |
| 23:42:01 | Sebulba02 | True. |
| 23:42:09 | Sebulba02 | Then all I need is GMT |
| 23:42:18 | Bluechip | as a fixed string |
| 23:42:28 | Sebulba02 | its not translated? |
| 23:42:49 | Bluechip | With the 6x10 Rockbox font ...how WIDE is it? |
| 23:43:07 | Bluechip | GMT is an international standard |
| 23:43:08 | Sebulba02 | hmm, maybe I should just do +=# |
| 23:43:17 | _Laurent | oops, had forgotten to reply to the tech guy had telechips, corrected |
| 23:43:24 | _Laurent | had = at |
| 23:43:34 | _Laurent | this is definitely not my day |
| 23:43:51 | Sebulba02 | I'm sure he doesn't hate you.. too much. |
| 23:44:23 | _Laurent | Sebulba02: what do you mean by translated in different languages ? |
| 23:44:56 | Sebulba02 | apps/lang/*.lang |
| 23:45:17 | Sebulba02 | since rockbox supports like 20 languages |
| 23:46:21 | _Laurent | the point is that since they are engineers and some seem to be interested in open source development and some even seem to be teachers they might help us to convince their management to support the rockbox project on their CPU |
| 23:47:10 | Sebulba02 | so your worried you gave them a bad impression? |
| 23:49:31 | Bluechip | anyone know what the default font it caleed? |
| 23:49:46 | Sebulba02 | rockbox_def |
| 23:49:48 | Sebulba02 | or something |
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| 23:50:02 | Bluechip | ta :) |
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| 23:50:44 | _Laurent | no, but I want to make sure to reach all important people |
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| 23:51:27 | _Laurent | so they can convince other key people that might be undecided or opposed to giving specs for open source developers |
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| 23:53:30 | _Laurent | shit i'm dumb |
| 23:53:41 | Sebulba02 | ? |
| 23:53:42 | _Laurent | I should have used my ieee account |
| 23:53:48 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 23:54:01 | Sebulba02 | its nice having one of those |
| 23:54:08 | _Laurent | this is definitely *not* my day |
| 23:54:23 | Sebulba02 | why? the specs are published there? |
| 23:54:57 | _Laurent | Sebulba02: it's not hard, you just need to graduate in college |
| 23:55:08 | Sebulba02 | One more semester |
| 23:55:31 | Sebulba02 | Though i do have access to both the ACM & IEEE lib while I am in school. |
| 23:55:33 | _Laurent | no, but their engineers probably are IEEE members too, so that might help getting in touch |
| 23:55:42 | Sebulba02 | ah |
| 23:56:02 | Bluechip | could also make them wary of you |
| 23:56:09 | _Laurent | why ? |
| 23:56:34 | Bluechip | a presumption made upon the morals of the BCS |
| 23:56:48 | _Laurent | I don't think so, IEEE philosophy is to share ideas as much as possible |
| 23:56:58 | Bluechip | right |
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