#rockbox 2004-01-04

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#rockbox log for 2004-01-04

00:00:10	Dogger	Strath: sorry if I am not being very helpful at the moment, but I've just snarfed the av300 boot rom sector and am analyzing it
00:00:23	Strath	nice
00:00:44	LinusN	kurzhaarrocker: you may be right..
00:00:47	Strath	ya, the family is draging me out the door
00:02:00	kurzhaarrocker	In fact this 2 dimensional navigation even reduces button clicks necessary to select an entry.
00:02:11	LinusN	yeah
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00:11:12	kurzhaarrocker	Then I have that question about find_next_frame: Did I understand it right, that this parameter "last_header" is optional and can be set to 0?
00:13:02	LinusN	kurzhaarrocker: yes it can, but then it may find a false header
00:14:26	kurzhaarrocker	I had a short look into the datasheet: To me it seems that get_last_recorded_header could be used while playing, too. Was there a reason why it has "recorded" in its name?
00:15:03	LinusN	not really, it's just that it's only used for recording
00:15:20	kurzhaarrocker	Hm. good.
00:15:26	LinusN	never thought of a good use for it when playing
00:15:55	kurzhaarrocker	Well in conjunction wit find_next_frame there is a good use :)
00:16:19	LinusN	why?
00:16:49	kurzhaarrocker	It's about split editor again. I'd like to to make the split cursor snap onto frame boundaries.
00:17:30	LinusN	using the mas?
00:18:07	kurzhaarrocker	No, using get_last_recorded_header, fed with a last header from the mas to make it more precise.
00:19:12	LinusN	but how do you know that the last header in the mas comes from the same stream that you are editing?
00:19:32	kurzhaarrocker	In the split editor I am looping around the split point.
00:19:43	LinusN	ok
00:24:09	dwihno	LinusN: Nah, but this is just a proof of concept... The icons are of course changeable.
00:24:25	dwihno	LinusN: This is work-in-progress and I just wanted feedback :)
00:24:39	dwihno	So that's why it hardly works and you might get ILLINSTR:s ;)
00:25:24	kurzhaarrocker	dwihno: in the sound settings menu there probably would not be enough space to fit the labels, slider and numbers on one line?
00:26:23	LinusN	then the sliders would be ridiculously small
00:30:59	kurzhaarrocker	Well, if they aren't rastered, maybe 30 pixel width is enough.
00:30:59	kurzhaarrocker	shrug
00:34:43	dwihno	indeed, Linus is right
00:35:34		Quit oxygen77 ("ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/7]")
00:40:37	kurzhaarrocker	Linus: does prerecording reserve the entire mp3 buffer?
00:42:26	kurzhaarrocker	The problem is about volume triggered file splitting while recording with prerecording.
00:42:49	kurzhaarrocker	Hm. How can I explain.
00:42:57	LinusN	yes it uses the entire buffer
00:43:16	LinusN	it's just as normal recording, it just doesn't save it to disk
00:43:25		Quit cjnr11 ()
00:44:19	kurzhaarrocker	volume triggered file splitting is a nightmare if you want to define the trigger with a minimum time. We'd have to cut the file somewhere in the past.
00:46:11	kurzhaarrocker	Do you think it would be possible to tell the mpeg engine to keep the last 2 seconds in the buffer unsaved? I'm thinking in terms of highwater, or something.
00:47:45	LinusN	or maybe extend the prerecord function a little
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00:48:17	kurzhaarrocker	Would that help? While volume triggered file splitting we are already recording.
00:49:12	atrack	Hiya
00:49:17	atrack	Happy New Year all
00:49:29	kurzhaarrocker	Something like simulating the user to press the play button while recording - but two seconds ago.
00:49:35	kurzhaarrocker	atrack happy new yer
00:49:46	*	kurzhaarrocker lauches another rocket.
00:51:02	LinusN	kurzhaarrocker: i meant that the prerecord mechanism could be extended for this purpose, i.e the prerecord backtrack mechanism
00:51:17	kurzhaarrocker	cool 8-)
01:00
01:02:38		Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting")
01:06:59	kurzhaarrocker	I'm off to bed. See you.
01:06:59	kurzhaarrocker	Linus: make sure that Zagor uses his scuba set when he's in real danger of drowning in emails...
01:07:20	LinusN	i'll see to it
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01:12:32		Quit atrack ("Leaving")
01:21:21	Zagor	i'm off. night all!
01:21:27		Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
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01:23:39	atrack	hi
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01:30:07	dwihno	\o/
01:30:18	atrack	hi
01:31:34	dwihno	hej hej
01:38:47	LinusN	c0utta: i have fixed your id3 bug, please chack out the next daily build
01:44:11	c0utta	beauty linus
01:45:25	LinusN	nite all
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01:45:33	c0utta	thx
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02:00
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02:17:39	arspy87	hey
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02:26:00	atrack	hi
02:26:15	midknight2k3	hi
02:26:35	atrack	ello mid
02:26:51	midknight2k3	ello track
02:27:11	atrack	hi
02:27:20	atrack	any new features?
02:28:09	atrack	Ive got two CD burners in my PC now
02:28:15	midknight2k3	ooh
02:28:17	midknight2k3	leet
02:28:18	atrack	one of them is mount rainer compliant
02:28:23	midknight2k3	ooh
02:28:29	midknight2k3	can i see
02:28:58	atrack	if you must
02:29:05	atrack	let me get my camera
02:30:07	atrack	well i'll have to do the pic later the batteries are flat
02:30:18	midknight2k3	aww
02:30:28	midknight2k3	HAHAHA
02:30:45	midknight2k3	you crack me up
02:32:13	midknight2k3	trak
02:34:21	atrack	ok
02:34:38	midknight2k3	trakk
02:36:14	midknight2k3	trakky
02:36:29	arspy87	hi mk
02:36:46	midknight2k3	GRR
02:37:13	arspy87	?
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02:38:17	atrack	silly middy
02:38:32	midknight2k3	yo Bluechip
02:38:36	midknight2k3	yo yo yo
02:38:37	arspy87	hey bluchip
02:38:44	Bluechip	evenin' all :)
02:38:53	Bluechip	"atrack" intended pun?
02:38:58	atrack	yo bluechip
02:39:11	arspy87	blue i was playing with the rockbox sim for like an hour it was so fun, lol
02:39:19	Bluechip	cool :)
02:39:31	Bluechip	did you install the win32sim build 8 patch?
02:40:00	arspy87	yeah
02:40:00	midknight2k3	he dunno how
02:40:03	midknight2k3	oh
02:40:03	midknight2k3	nm
02:40:06	midknight2k3	:)
02:40:06	arspy87	lol
02:40:08	arspy87	:)
02:40:11	Bluechip	:)
02:40:12	midknight2k3	GRR
02:40:27	Bluechip	sod's law gets us all in the end ;)
02:41:05	arspy87	sod's law = ?
02:41:36	Bluechip	Sod's Law: "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong ...and with the worst possible outcome"
02:41:42	atrack	mid's law
02:41:45	midknight2k3	THAT IS SO TRUE
02:41:57	Bluechip	aka "murphy's law"
02:42:00	arspy87	i thought that was murphys law
02:42:01	arspy87	ywah
02:42:04	arspy87	yeah*
02:42:15	Bluechip	fo you know about coles law?
02:42:16	midknight2k3	afad you dfad
02:42:22	arspy87	heard of murphy's law, and its true
02:42:48	Bluechip	fo->do
02:43:01	arspy87	fo->do?
02:43:11	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Bluechip
02:43:11	Bluechip	[01:42] <Bluechip> fo you know about coles law?
02:43:27	midknight2k3	lol as
02:43:28	midknight2k3	stupid
02:43:32	arspy87	aha
02:43:44	arspy87	my brain seems to self-correct typos lol
02:43:52	Bluechip	lol
02:44:37	atrack	wheres old ye mighty greatest?
02:44:58	Bluechip	im here!
02:45:00	Bluechip	lmao
02:45:19	atrack	nope
02:45:22	atrack	not you
02:45:23	midknight2k3	me?
02:45:25	midknight2k3	im here!
02:45:28	atrack	nope
02:45:29	midknight2k3	its me
02:45:30	atrack	mikeholden
02:45:31	midknight2k3	i know it
02:45:32	Bluechip	yeah, must be you m
02:45:33	midknight2k3	STFU
02:45:33	Bluechip	k
02:45:35	midknight2k3	ITS ME
02:45:36	midknight2k3	ITES ME
02:45:38	midknight2k3	ITS MIDK
02:45:43	atrack	no its mikeholden
02:45:44	arspy87	hi midk :)
02:45:48	atrack	he is mighty greatest
02:45:52	arspy87	midk, say your trademark phrases
02:45:58	midknight2k3	SDD
02:45:59	midknight2k3	DFAD
02:46:01	midknight2k3	ASDF
02:46:02	midknight2k3	see
02:46:06	midknight2k3	trademark (tm)
02:46:11	atrack	well look
02:46:16	Bluechip	you could always ask him where he is by clicking on his name?
02:46:18	atrack	(mi)dknight
02:46:23	atrack	(mi)keholden
02:46:30	arspy87	lmao
02:46:31	midknight2k3	WOW TRACK
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02:46:41	DBUG	Enqueued KICK miBluechip
02:46:49	midknight2k3	lmao
02:46:53	arspy87	HAHAHAHAHAH BC!!
02:46:56	arspy87	how do i do that
02:46:59		Nick miBluechip is now known as Bluechip (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
02:46:59	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Bluechip
02:46:59	***	Alert Mode level 1
02:47:01	midknight2k3	do /nick
02:47:10	midknight2k3	�/nick <newnick>
02:47:14		Nick arspy87 is now known as miArspy87 (~arspy87@h00062598fa3b.ne.client2.attbi.com)
02:47:19		Nick midknight2k3 is now known as arspy87 (zakk@ACC2B41B.ipt.aol.com)
02:47:22	arspy87	A HAHAAHA
02:47:23		Nick atrack is now known as miatrack (jirc@ACBC2D30.ipt.aol.com)
02:47:25	miArspy87	HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
02:47:28	miArspy87	HAHAA
02:47:28	arspy87	oh wait
02:47:31	arspy87	my nick
02:47:34	Bluechip	LMFAO
02:47:35		Nick arspy87 is now known as midknight2k3 (zakk@ACC2B41B.ipt.aol.com)
02:47:36	miArspy87	ROFL
02:47:43		Nick miatrack is now known as mikeholden (jirc@ACBC2D30.ipt.aol.com)
02:47:43	midknight2k3	YOULL NEVER GET IT
02:47:54	mikeholden	I AM YE MIGHTY GREATEST!!!
02:48:04	Bluechip	hm
02:48:10		Nick miArspy87 is now known as miMikeholden (~arspy87@h00062598fa3b.ne.client2.attbi.com)
02:48:12	miMikeholden	jk
02:48:20		Nick miMikeholden is now known as as87digit (~arspy87@h00062598fa3b.ne.client2.attbi.com)
02:48:21		Nick mikeholden is now known as mimimimimimikeho (jirc@ACBC2D30.ipt.aol.com)
02:48:31	Bluechip	omg, what have i started?
02:48:31	as87digit	my alias
02:48:40		Nick mimimimimimikeho is now known as miZagor (jirc@ACBC2D30.ipt.aol.com)
02:48:47		Nick as87digit is now known as arspy87 (~arspy87@h00062598fa3b.ne.client2.attbi.com)
02:48:53	midknight2k3	STOP IT ALL!
02:48:59	arspy87	switches back to appease bluchips spirits
02:49:13		Nick miZagor is now known as midknight2k4 (jirc@ACBC2D30.ipt.aol.com)
02:49:39	midknight2k3	* Added midknight2k4!@ to ignore list
02:49:40	Bluechip	no spirits here, I'm on antibiotics
02:49:44	arspy87	lol
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02:49:55	midknight2k3	god grr
02:50:05	midknight2k3	* Added midknight2k5!@ to ignore list
02:50:14		Quit midknight2k4 (K-lined)
02:50:14		Quit midknight2k5 (K-lined)
02:50:16	midknight2k3	ok ill just ignore tracks hostname
02:50:18	midknight2k3	YESS
02:50:23	midknight2k3	klined indeed
02:50:25	arspy87	arspy87 publicly apologizes for picking on mikeholden
02:50:28	midknight2k3	thanks, freenode staff
02:52:21	midknight2k3	sshh all
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02:57:00	***	Alert Mode OFF
02:57:39	Bluechip	heh ...coool : dec = (dec<=20)?dec:((((dec-20)((max1000)/80))+500)/1000)+20;
02:57:50	arspy87	brain throbs
02:58:21	arspy87	why must school exist....
02:58:21	arspy87	brb
02:58:55	Bluechip	think of all the really dumb f* you meet every day ...now imagine a planet covered in them!
02:59:15	midknight2k3	that's way too many tracks
02:59:36	Bluechip	fixed those bugs yet?
02:59:42	midknight2k3	what bugs
02:59:48	Bluechip	clock
02:59:55	midknight2k3	WHAT ARE THE BUGS
03:00
03:00:13	Bluechip	as I said last night when you asked : example 1... can only get help once
03:00:23	midknight2k3	ohh
03:00:27	midknight2k3	help?
03:00:31	Bluechip	f1
03:00:32	midknight2k3	f1?
03:00:41	midknight2k3	linus messed with the code
03:00:50	midknight2k3	took out Digital mode's f3 i think
03:00:54	Bluechip	yeah maybe he broke it :(
03:00:57	midknight2k3	ill resend him the GOOD version
03:00:59	midknight2k3	he did afaikm
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03:01:17	Bluechip	send me your original code and we can tell in minutes!
03:01:36	Bluechip	if you have the confidence in your code!
03:01:42	Bluechip	only if
03:02:23	Bluechip	heh - cool - shall check now...
03:02:38	midknight2k3	compile and try it
03:02:40	midknight2k3	it should work
03:02:46	midknight2k3	he took out a few things.. :(
03:03:40		Quit atrack (Client Quit)
03:04:22	arspy87	back
03:04:28	midknight2k3	A.S.
03:05:22	Bluechip	on / off broke
03:05:30	Bluechip	as per digital f3 help
03:05:40	midknight2k3	ohh
03:05:42	midknight2k3	forgot that
03:05:45	midknight2k3	bc
03:05:51	Bluechip	but f1 does work though :)
03:06:22	midknight2k3	linus afad'dded it
03:07:03	Bluechip	yes, so it would seem :(
03:07:09	Bluechip	this works fine!
03:07:17	midknight2k3	yupsors
03:07:26	Bluechip	(apart from new on/off text)
03:07:28	midknight2k3	maybe instead he tfadded it
03:07:31	arspy87	stop making me jealous
03:07:39	midknight2k3	or vfadded it
03:07:41	midknight2k3	who knows
03:07:44	midknight2k3	either way its fadded
03:07:54	arspy87	rofl
03:08:00	Bluechip	jealous??
03:08:09	Ctcp	Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 3 minutes and 48 seconds at the last flood
03:08:09	*	arspy87 wants archos + rockbox
03:08:12	midknight2k3	no
03:08:15	midknight2k3	arspy87 wants karma
03:08:17	midknight2k3	stinky
03:08:24	Bluechip	buy hardware ...download firmware :)
03:08:41	arspy87	what about downloadable hardware?
03:08:42	midknight2k3	he has no firmware to download
03:08:46	midknight2k3	AS STFU
03:08:59	arspy87	k
03:09:13	arspy87	yes almighty midknight person
03:09:24	midknight2k3	A.S. do not anger me
03:09:33	arspy87	sorry
03:09:51	midknight2k3	GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr
03:09:53	midknight2k3	IM ANGERED
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03:10:53	midknight2k3	GRR
03:10:55	midknight2k3	ANGERED MORE
03:10:58	arspy87	ahh
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03:11:21	dwihno	\o/
03:11:24	midknight2k3	DWINHO
03:11:26	midknight2k3	YOUR PATCH
03:11:28	midknight2k3	ITS SO COOL
03:11:41	midknight2k3	i'd love to help! can i draw up some neat icons or something
03:11:42	dwihno	It's bubu am fenster certified(tm) ;)
03:11:47	midknight2k3	lol
03:12:03	Bluechip	dwihno did life find you examining the audio patch?
03:12:16	dwihno	Bluechip: Well... no :) I haven't taken the time.
03:12:35	Bluechip	s'okay ...had to ask :)
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03:12:46	midknight2k3	toppy
03:12:50	midknight2k3	oh wait didnt i ignore you
03:12:57	dwihno	midknight2k3: well, my icons are merely placeholders.
03:12:59	midknight2k3	there
03:13:01	midknight2k3	done!
03:13:04	midknight2k3	unignored
03:13:13	midknight2k3	dwinho: any ... thing else i can help with? its very nice
03:13:14	top_bloke	lol
03:13:19	top_bloke	hey
03:13:21	midknight2k3	* Removed top_bloke!@ from ignore list
03:13:21	dwihno	midknight2k3: well, not really..
03:13:27	midknight2k3	oh well. nice work!
03:13:29	top_bloke	sorry about that whole flood thing
03:13:36	midknight2k3	top: its ok
03:13:38	midknight2k3	me too.
03:13:55	top_bloke	ok cool
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03:15:23	midknight2k3	GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
03:15:33	arspy87	conquering fears ;)
03:15:35	midknight2k3	GRrRRRRRrrRRRRrrRRrRrR!!!!!!!!!!
03:15:44	midknight2k3	aka cant stay out
03:16:10	arspy87	hi bluechip
03:16:23	Bluechip	hi
03:16:34	Bluechip	(again) :)
03:16:40	arspy87	:)
03:19:22	midknight2k3	wad da f
03:19:35	Bluechip	?
03:19:46	midknight2k3	aim crashed
03:19:54	Bluechip	use trillian!
03:19:58	midknight2k3	TRILL SUCK
03:20:08	midknight2k3	TRILL "SUCK MINE" SUCK
03:20:08	arspy87	i'm with BC :)
03:20:13	midknight2k3	ok
03:20:16	*	midknight2k3 ignores as
03:20:23	Bluechip	yeah, we dont need software to suck us
03:20:35	midknight2k3	well im just saying
03:20:36	midknight2k3	it SUCKS
03:20:41	midknight2k3	OHH
03:20:43	midknight2k3	i got it
03:20:52	midknight2k3	ahh nm
03:21:09	Bluechip	yes, but although you're opinion is now known ...I STILL don't care - lol
03:21:28	midknight2k3	do you use trillsuck Bluechip
03:21:50	arspy87	speaks for bc yes
03:22:10	Bluechip	of course!! would you suggest that I run crash-a-minute AIM instead?
03:22:18	midknight2k3	i'm on the verge of ... THREATENING TO IGNORE YOU, AS!
03:22:42	Bluechip	how is that EVER a threat?
03:22:53	midknight2k3	GRR
03:23:04	*	midknight2k3 has left #rockbox
03:23:19	midknight2k3	ha ha
03:23:20	midknight2k3	tricked yo
03:23:40	Bluechip	wow youre bored!
03:23:54	midknight2k3	no
03:23:55	midknight2k3	just angered
03:24:06	arspy87	sorry midk, what can i do to help out?
03:24:12	Bluechip	who is controlling your emotions for you today/
03:24:13	Bluechip	?
03:24:16	arspy87	you dont have to do the rockbox flyby you know
03:24:17	midknight2k3	nobody
03:24:19	midknight2k3	just me
03:24:36	Bluechip	so then you are angry because, quite simply, you choose to be
03:24:43	Bluechip	weirdo!
03:24:54	midknight2k3	stop the ... whatever
03:25:06	Bluechip	??
03:25:25	*	arspy87 changes topic to "philisophical emotional reaction mechanisms"
03:25:39	arspy87	..." and stimuli"
03:25:55	Bluechip	P.E.R.M.
03:26:08	arspy87	HA
03:26:12	Bluechip	i like that
03:26:14	midknight2k3	P.E.R.M.S.
03:26:23	Bluechip	perhaps ERM is more catchy though
03:26:32	midknight2k3	adsffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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03:26:34	Bluechip	the TLA approach
03:26:37	DrArspy	:)
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03:26:44	Bluechip	with my little eye...
03:27:34	Bluechip	mk, did aim add SecureIM yet?
03:27:44	midknight2k3	yes
03:27:53	Bluechip	cool
03:28:05	midknight2k3	yeah
03:28:09	arspy87	my firewall got angry with me for using SecureIM
03:28:15	midknight2k3	FU AS
03:28:30	arspy87	like i said midk, it is YOU who puts the F U in fun!!! :)
03:28:40	Bluechip	trillian coders invented the SecureIM protocol :)
03:28:58	arspy87	i like SecureIM
03:28:59	midknight2k3	no bluechip
03:29:02	midknight2k3	oh thats it
03:29:09	Bluechip	secIM requires a direct connection
03:29:10	arspy87	sorry sorry midk!
03:29:11	midknight2k3	im going out of this place for a bit
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03:29:27	arspy87	ahhhh
03:29:30	arspy87	he left.
03:29:36	Bluechip	any idea why?
03:29:46	arspy87	he hates me and trillian
03:30:06	Bluechip	ahaaa - handy to know
03:30:41	arspy87	if (trillian) midk=mad(); else midk=glad();
03:31:06	Bluechip	I like it when people install little <kaboom> buttons in their mind for me :)
03:31:17	arspy87	:)
03:42:04	c0utta	hey bluechip, thanks for your patience yesterday
03:42:40	Bluechip	always welcome
03:43:18	c0utta	my last problem is that the simulator starts up with c:\ as the root, not build-dir\archos
03:43:38	Bluechip	need to install the win32sim patch
03:43:46	c0utta	i have :)
03:43:56	Bluechip	OH!
03:44:13	Bluechip	works just fine here!
03:44:18	c0utta	the new configure checks to make sure that the folders are there (.rockbox, .rocks etc)
03:44:21	Bluechip	you DID use the BUILD 8 version?
03:45:08	c0utta	yep, win32sim_8-20040101
03:45:34	Bluechip	most weird :(
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05:25:41	midknight2k3	hi mcsquared
05:26:21	mcsquared	hey midnight2k3
05:26:37	midknight2k3	its midknight2k3. don't wear it out.
05:26:40	midknight2k3	:) j/k
05:27:28	mcsquared	hehe, yea sure. Was reading the logs, got interested in the new avOS machines... looks like u guys r u 2 some good stuff
05:27:44	mcsquared	am toying w getting one
05:28:02	midknight2k3	noo
05:28:06	mcsquared	the idea of having an open dev platform is very enticing
05:28:07	midknight2k3	get a recorder 20
05:28:13	midknight2k3	yes
05:28:15	midknight2k3	try my clock plugin
05:28:19	midknight2k3	it's, very nice
05:28:30	mcsquared	recorder 20? :)
05:28:39	mcsquared	i need a camera and TFT
05:28:49	mcsquared	and ideally 802.11
05:28:55	midknight2k3	erm
05:29:01	midknight2k3	that means no open dev, atm
05:29:08	midknight2k3	BOO
05:29:15	mcsquared	yea well... sometime hopefully :)
05:30:22	midknight2k3	booo
05:30:53	mcsquared	any idea what's happened to that guy who was releasing stuff for the AVOS300 series?
05:31:07	mcsquared	it looked like a lot of fun
05:31:22	mcsquared	am trying to look up his name
05:31:47	top_bloke	dogger
05:32:47	midknight2k3	DOGGER WOO
05:33:00	midknight2k3	hes in trubble
05:33:05	midknight2k3	http://avos.sf.net
05:34:01	top_bloke	http links still open in IE
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05:34:17	top_bloke	and it cant find them
05:34:29	mcsquared	ahhh tx... I'd read http://avos.freshmeat.net- am reading about it now
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05:36:41	Strath	not so much that he's in trouble as it is archos being stupid (as usual)
05:37:00	midknight2k3	he i s in trubble
05:37:18	mcsquared	their lawyers must think they've built a gaming console
05:37:32	mcsquared	proly
05:38:07	top_bloke	why would they think its a game console?
05:38:17	Strath	why do you say that?
05:38:17	Strath	midi...
05:38:41	midknight2k3	?
05:38:48	midknight2k3	oh
05:38:50	midknight2k3	lol
05:38:53	midknight2k3	remeber the ding
05:38:54	Strath	he's going right along with his work, just not releasing anything
05:38:56	midknight2k3	he is
05:39:02	midknight2k3	archos' stupidity no doubt
05:39:05	midknight2k3	well yeah
05:39:08	mcsquared	ie Archos h/w w other OSs = MS xbox + linus
05:39:08	midknight2k3	but hes still in trouble
05:39:17	Strath	yert...
05:39:18	mcsquared	linus=linux
05:39:24	top_bloke	o
05:39:34	Strath	er, yet
05:39:35	mcsquared	yea stupidity
05:39:36	midknight2k3	top: did you try my clock
05:39:55	top_bloke	yeah
05:39:57	Strath	how so?
05:40:23	Strath	oh no he got shock, horror a LETTER
05:40:49	top_bloke	u sohuld put a stopwatch in it
05:41:11	mcsquared	well they are only cornering everyone into providing competing OSs to theirs...
05:41:13	mcsquared	maybe that's their strategy
05:41:35	top_bloke	its their choice
05:41:37	mcsquared	so they can borrow the functionality back
05:41:49	mcsquared	less dev work 4 them
05:42:07	Strath	it's not like they actually tried to protect the firmware
05:42:17	mcsquared	he
05:42:18	Strath	the protection is crap
05:42:40	midknight2k3	TOP: YOU HATE IT
05:42:57	top_bloke	hate is such a strong word
05:43:10	Strath	so is pigfucker
05:43:27	top_bloke	?
05:43:36	midknight2k3	lmao
05:43:57	top_bloke	also cant u put the seconds on the same line in the anlog view?
05:44:05	midknight2k3	yes
05:44:08	midknight2k3	doesnt fit
05:44:16	top_bloke	it dont?
05:44:22	midknight2k3	nope
05:44:26	top_bloke	u try?
05:44:30	Strath	thats what she said
05:44:30	midknight2k3	yes
05:44:37	top_bloke	so what if its over a lil bit
05:44:41	midknight2k3	?
05:44:45	top_bloke	over the tics
05:44:51	midknight2k3	its not fitting
05:44:54	midknight2k3	ok
05:44:57	midknight2k3	calm down
05:45:01	top_bloke	JEEZ
05:45:06	Strath	heh
05:45:11	top_bloke	nah j/k
05:45:19	top_bloke	just some suggestions
05:45:34	midknight2k3	lol
05:45:37	midknight2k3	ONE
05:45:40	midknight2k3	that doesnt work
05:46:10	top_bloke	just put the seconds over the analog
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05:46:43	midknight2k3	MAN
05:46:46	midknight2k3	S T F U
05:46:49	midknight2k3	lol
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05:46:52	Strath	nice
05:47:06	top_bloke	jeez
05:47:25	Strath	heh
05:47:25	top_bloke	well S O R R Y
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05:48:01	top_bloke	not my fault your clock is ugly
05:48:02	midknight2k3	its A L L R I G H T
05:48:08	midknight2k3	thats it
05:48:09	top_bloke	lol
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05:48:28	midknight2k3	WHERES THE IGNORE BUTTON
05:48:28	top_bloke	j/k
05:48:31	midknight2k3	i cant find it
05:48:35	top_bloke	i knew it when i said it
05:48:36	Strath	whould you guys stop that :P
05:48:38	midknight2k3	THEY NEED A BUTTON FOR EASY ACCESS
05:48:45	midknight2k3	I CANT FIND THE BUTTON
05:48:52	top_bloke	[IGNORE BLOKE]
05:49:02	top_bloke	make a custom button for easy access
05:49:08	midknight2k3	WTFITIB
05:49:40	top_bloke	?
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05:50:30	Strath	la la la
05:51:05	top_bloke	that was like 3 netsplits
05:51:32	midknight2k3	5
05:51:34	midknight2k3	more like
05:51:50	top_bloke	5 realy?
05:52:05	top_bloke	well whatever
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06:39:37	midknight2k3	HI
06:39:38	midknight2k3	RASTUS
06:40:22	rastus	rastus is my alter-ego. i'm waiting for c0utta to die
06:40:36	midknight2k3	YOU WANNA DIE
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06:42:27	c0utta	YEA WOO
06:42:31		Nick c0utta is now known as midknight2k3 (zakk@ACC2B41B.ipt.aol.com)
06:42:32	midknight2k3	sorry.
06:44:14	dwihno	\o/
06:44:21	midknight2k3	PROGRESS?!
06:44:25	midknight2k3	I WANT TO SEE
06:44:34	midknight2k3	DCC AJBREC FOR FM 2MB RAM 20GB
06:47:47	dwihno	No new progress really.
06:48:05	dwihno	I've been busy doing nothing ;)
06:48:41	midknight2k3	i wish i could help
06:48:42	midknight2k3	i love it
06:52:41	midknight2k3	brb all
06:54:10	dwihno	Feedback and ideas might help.
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07:41:07	midknight2k3	hi hi
07:41:13	midknight2k3	me?
07:41:15	midknight2k3	dwinho?
07:41:20	midknight2k3	i have feedback
07:41:32	midknight2k3	it ricjs
07:41:36	midknight2k3	rocks*
07:42:09	midknight2k3	but hmm lemme try it
07:42:58	midknight2k3	a new icon for: recording settings and Wake Up Alarm
07:43:20	midknight2k3	stretch out the last line on the 3 in "ID3" to the end of the icon would be AWESOME
07:43:45	midknight2k3	a few bugs in the sound menu, but very nice otherwise
07:45:06	midknight2k3	ohh for the recording settings icon it could be "REC" at the bottom as is, but instead of the dot have a hammer (like at the "general settings" icon) or maybe a wrench or.. you get the idea
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08:21:40	midknight2k3	any coders? dwinho? got a small issue
08:22:27	midknight2k3	a simple one
08:23:18	midknight2k3	erm nm
08:23:20	midknight2k3	fixed
08:25:43	midknight2k3	YESS
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08:47:32	midknight2k3	RB CODERS UNITE
08:47:34	midknight2k3	aka i need help
08:47:46	midknight2k3	do we have a status_update() function?
08:47:51	midknight2k3	or something to that effect>
08:47:57	midknight2k3	?*
08:48:26	midknight2k3	status_draw(true); may do it
08:48:27	midknight2k3	testing
08:49:00	midknight2k3	gr doesnt work
08:52:08	midknight2k3	YESS
08:52:12	midknight2k3	I FIXED IT
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09:44:55	midknight2k3	afad? dfad? sdd?
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10:51:41	midknight2k3	nite c0utta
10:51:45	midknight2k3	nite ze
10:52:18	midknight2k3	IGNORE ME. THAT'S FINE TOO
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13:37:02	[IDC]Dragon	Hi Bagder, do you read?
13:40:37	Bagder	yeps
13:40:51	Bagder	and hi! ;-)
13:42:55	[IDC]Dragon	Ah, hi!
13:43:11	[IDC]Dragon	Happy new year!
13:43:50	[IDC]Dragon	About the Neo addons:
13:44:06	[IDC]Dragon	I have a build problem since.
13:44:23	Bagder	oh, with what?
13:44:28	[IDC]Dragon	The .lds file gets a bit garbled, the last part is repeated.
13:44:55	[IDC]Dragon	after a clean build, I have to edit the file manually.
13:45:09	Bagder	odd
13:45:26	[IDC]Dragon	have you done clean rebuilds since?
13:45:27	Bagder	how is it garbled? I mean, in what way?
13:45:42	[IDC]Dragon	a part of it is doubled.
13:47:00	[IDC]Dragon	(and the linker doesn't like that)
13:47:17	Bagder	I can build a clean rebuild
13:48:22	[IDC]Dragon	Hmm.
13:48:38	[IDC]Dragon	It's linkages.lds which is corrupted.
13:48:53	[IDC]Dragon	Where is the template for that?
13:48:59	Bagder	sh-elf-gcc -DMEMORYSIZE=2 -I../firmware/include -I../firmware/export -I. -I/home/daniel/src/rockbox/build-recorder2 -DARCHOS_RECORDER -E -P - < ../firmware/app.lds >/home/daniel/src/rockbox/build-recorder2/linkage.lds
13:49:01	[IDC]Dragon	linkage.lds, sorry
13:49:11	Bagder	firmare/app.lds is the one
13:49:19	Bagder	firmware
13:49:53	Bagder	try that command line
13:50:57	[IDC]Dragon	home/daniel/... ;)
13:51:04	Bagder	hehe
13:51:08	Bagder	well, with the right paths
13:51:38	Bagder	if you remove linkage.lds
13:51:39	Bagder	and run make
13:51:49	Bagder	you should be able to see what command line your makefile uses
13:51:57	[IDC]Dragon	yes.
13:52:09	[IDC]Dragon	The make says:
13:52:29	[IDC]Dragon	sh-elf-gcc -DMEMORYSIZE=8 -I../firmware/include -I../firmware/export -I. -I/hom
13:52:29	[IDC]Dragon	e/J�rg/rockbox/build_rec8 -DARCHOS_RECORDER -E -P - < ../firmware/app.lds >/hom
13:52:29	[IDC]Dragon	e/J�rg/rockbox/build_rec8/linkage.lds
13:52:29	DBUG	Enqueued KICK [IDC]Dragon
13:52:29	[IDC]Dragon	cpp0: warning: is shorter than expected
13:52:29	[IDC]Dragon	<stdin>:190:2: #endif without #if
13:52:29	***	Alert Mode level 1
13:52:29	[IDC]Dragon	make[1]: *** [/home/J�rg/rockbox/build_rec8/linkage.lds] Error 1
13:53:36	Bagder	and you have an unaltered version of firmware/app.lfd?
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13:53:42	Bagder	.lds
13:54:06	[IDC]Dragon	I think so, yes.
13:54:18	Bagder	you're doing this with cygwin, right?
13:54:23	[IDC]Dragon	els cvs would show that every time
13:54:26	[IDC]Dragon	yes
13:55:46	Bagder	hm, I have an idea to try
13:57:19	Bagder	http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/rockbox/apps/Makefile?r1=1.56&r2=1.57
13:57:27	Bagder	check the diff on lin 90
13:57:29	Bagder	line 90
13:57:47	Bagder	its for apps/Makefile
13:58:05	Bagder	try putting back the version on the left hand side into your version of the apps/Makefile
13:58:18	Bagder	with 'cat'
13:58:57	Bagder	cat $< \| $(CC) -DMEMORYSIZE=$(MEM) $(INCLUDES) $(TARGET) $(DEFINES) -E -P - >$@
13:58:59	Bagder	actually
13:59:01	[IDC]Dragon	1.58 is the current
13:59:12	[IDC]Dragon	you want me to use 1.56?
13:59:43	Bagder	no, just edit line 104 to be:
13:59:43	Bagder	cat $< \| $(CC) -DMEMORYSIZE=$(MEM) $(INCLUDES) $(TARGET) $(DEFINES) -E -P - >$@
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14:00:11	[IDC]Dragon	oops, lunch NMI
14:00:15	Bagder	sorry for speaking weird ;-)
14:00:18	[IDC]Dragon	later
14:00:29	[IDC]Dragon	afk
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14:19:02	[IDC]Dragon	OK, back and stuffed
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14:22:32	[IDC]Dragon	Bagder: you were right, the duplication is gone
14:23:31	Bagder	good
14:23:40	Bagder	I blame cygwin
14:23:46	Bagder	:-)
14:23:57	baz	this may be off topic
14:24:02	[IDC]Dragon	but the build now fails for another reason
14:24:13	baz	but anyone know a nice adsl modem that plugs into an ethernet nic?
14:24:28	[IDC]Dragon	cat ../firmware/app.lds \| sh-elf-gcc -DMEMORYSIZE=8 -E -P - >/home/J�rg/rockbo
14:24:28	[IDC]Dragon	x/build_rec8/linkage.lds
14:24:28	[IDC]Dragon	<stdin>:1:20: config.h: No such file or directory
14:24:28	[IDC]Dragon	make[1]: *** [/home/J�rg/rockbox/build_rec8/linkage.lds] Error 1
14:24:28	[IDC]Dragon	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/J�rg/rockbox/apps'
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14:24:29	[IDC]Dragon	make: *** [apps] Error 2
14:25:15	Bagder	did you use the $(INCLUDES) on that line 104?
14:25:39	[IDC]Dragon	I used the line from 1.56, let me check
14:25:51	Bagder	then add $(INCLUDES) on the line
14:26:00	Bagder	it was added after 1.56
14:26:34	Bagder	cat $< \| $(CC) -DMEMORYSIZE=$(MEM) $(INCLUDES) $(TARGET) $(DEFINES) -E -P - >$@
14:27:50	[IDC]Dragon	looks OK now
14:28:17	[IDC]Dragon	this magic line runs the .lds file through the preprocessor, or what does it do?
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14:28:24	Bagder	yes, that's what it does
14:28:39	Bagder	and we now include "config.h" in the template
14:28:43	Phil_	Bagder! Nice to see you back!
14:28:47	Bagder	hey
14:28:51	[IDC]Dragon	I vaguely remember that the cat was taken out recently, why?
14:29:09	Bagder	[IDC]Dragon: because some people had problems with it... :-/
14:29:24	[IDC]Dragon	great, now I have problems without
14:29:25	Bagder	now we put it back
14:29:26	Bagder	hehe
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14:29:46	[IDC]Dragon	who are we breaking then?
14:29:54	[IDC]Dragon	should I commit it?
14:30:18	Bagder	I just did
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14:30:53	Bagder	it only breaks for those who has no cat in their path
14:31:46	[IDC]Dragon	hmm
14:32:10	[IDC]Dragon	what's the difference between the versions?
14:32:15	Dogger	hey
14:32:54	Bagder	[IDC]Dragon: there's no diff really, only using two different ways
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14:34:43	[IDC]Dragon	"bring back the cat", haha
14:35:11	Dogger	I have just worked out secret av300 ROM serial communication!
14:35:18	[IDC]Dragon	are there any reports if Rockbox runs on Neo?
14:35:21	Dogger	now I can recover from a bad firmware :)
14:35:40	[IDC]Dragon	a UART boot
14:35:47	[IDC]Dragon	sound familiar
14:35:53	[IDC]Dragon	sounds
14:36:00	Dogger	yep
14:36:09	Dogger	makes it a lot easier to develop
14:36:15	Dogger	if you have a back door to recover
14:36:19	Dogger	if ur firmware crashes
14:36:24	Dogger	now I can get going!
14:36:41	Dogger	I'm pretty good at this really
14:36:47	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
14:36:47	*	Dogger 's head grows even bigger
14:37:06	[IDC]Dragon	and his ego...
14:37:23	[IDC]Dragon	Bagder: are there any reports if Rockbox runs on Neo?
14:37:29	Bagder	no
14:37:41	Dogger	my ego knows no bounds
14:37:44	Bagder	we got a private mail from a fellow after my commits
14:37:50	Bagder	who's working on a new neo platform
14:38:02	Bagder	he says he intend to incorporate his changes back to rockbox
14:38:02	[IDC]Dragon	new?
14:38:09	Bagder	yes, a new
14:38:18	[IDC]Dragon	from scratch?
14:38:34	Bagder	probably not, but it isn't one of those available right now
14:42:35	[IDC]Dragon	thanks for the support, cu later
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14:42:56	kurzhaarrocker	Bagder had a nice holiday?
14:43:09	Bagder	oh yes
14:43:11	Bagder	still having! ;-)
14:43:25	kurzhaarrocker	For how long?
14:43:32	Bagder	back to work on wednesday
14:43:51	kurzhaarrocker	I've got to be back tomorrow :(
14:45:14	Bagder	holidays are better than work
14:45:16	Bagder	:-)
14:46:09	kurzhaarrocker	Well actually I took some with me these holidays. And I didn't do enough of it...
14:47:01	kurzhaarrocker	Have you been away to some strange countries?
14:47:29	Bagder	nope, I got a daughter back in september so we're not doing anything like that yet
14:47:46	kurzhaarrocker	Congratulations!
14:47:49	Bagder	thanks
14:48:13	Bagder	that's the main reason why I've been pretty absent from here
14:48:39	kurzhaarrocker	Is Zagor a father too, or is he the only core developer without children?
14:48:50	Bagder	he's the only one now ;-)
14:49:00	Bagder	but he's my kid brother
14:51:05	kurzhaarrocker	But somehow I assume you don't have to change his pampers...
14:52:21	Bagder	the baby alarm just went off, I need to run ;-)
14:52:31	kurzhaarrocker	:)
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17:44:57	DjCartOOn	hello =)
17:45:16	DjCartOOn	anybody here?
17:46:13	DjCartOOn	i have a little problem with my FM recorder, anyone wants to help a newbie?
17:50:05	DjCartOOn	i already read all the faq but it doesn't help me =(
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17:57:29	DjCartOOn	hello=)
17:57:33	kurzhaarrocker	hi
17:57:45	DjCartOOn	I'm a newbie, can you give me a hand?
17:58:02	*	kurzhaarrocker searches for a chainsaw to cut his hand off
17:58:15	DjCartOOn	@-0
17:58:36	kurzhaarrocker	What's your problem?
17:59:05	DjCartOOn	i just recieved an Archis FM recorder I got from e-bay
17:59:53	DjCartOOn	i have tried it with the original archos software and it was kind of working... now I've changed over to rockbox (and flashed).. but there seem to be some problems
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18:00:50	kurzhaarrocker	What problems?
18:00:50	DjCartOOn	i cannot transfer data because it gives me a bluescreen error telling me the device isn't available anymore
18:01:21	DjCartOOn	if I try to make a scandisk, it tells me a cluster is damaged but cannot repair it, then my pc crashes
18:01:28	DjCartOOn	<−−- desperate
18:02:02	kurzhaarrocker	You are using some kind of windows?
18:03:21	DjCartOOn	yupp... win 98 se
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18:04:05	kurzhaarrocker	ok. Did you have little tiny icons in your task bar when the drive was connected?
18:04:25	DjCartOOn	yupp.. one that told me the usb disk was attached
18:04:58	kurzhaarrocker	ok that means you have not that extremly old driver installed.
18:05:18	kurzhaarrocker	Erm btw: does the FM recorder have usb2.0?
18:05:47	DjCartOOn	as far as i know, it should =)
18:06:06	DjCartOOn	i didn't get the booklet with the recorder, it was used
18:07:41	kurzhaarrocker	As far as I can see you might have one out of two problems:
18:07:42	kurzhaarrocker	1.) somehow your data on the recorder is heavily corrupted
18:07:42	kurzhaarrocker	2.) scandisk is right and the disk itself is faulty
18:07:57	kurzhaarrocker	In case 1) a reformat might do.
18:08:56	DjCartOOn	how do I reformat that? by simply telling format f:\ in the msdos proompt?
18:09:16	kurzhaarrocker	maybe you'd even want to fdisk first.
18:09:22	kurzhaarrocker	just to make sure.
18:09:40	kurzhaarrocker	but format f:\ is the right way, yes.
18:10:05	kurzhaarrocker	before reformatting though make sure your batteries are full
18:10:16	DjCartOOn	ok, one more question: if i format it i'll loose all the data on it, this includdes the system files?
18:10:40	kurzhaarrocker	The firmware doesn't use any system files.
18:11:12	kurzhaarrocker	All data will be lost.
18:12:01	DjCartOOn	ok.. is it the same if I connect the player to the power cable? I dunno the battery status at the moment
18:13:07	kurzhaarrocker	The power cable doesn't really help here. While the unit is accessing the disk it draws more power than the power cable provides.
18:14:10	kurzhaarrocker	Does the recorder still work with rockbox / original firmware?
18:14:21	DjCartOOn	ok, once I formatted it the corrupted cluster should be marked automatically, right?
18:14:53	kurzhaarrocker	If it is really is a physically corrputed cluster - yes.
18:15:19	DjCartOOn	yes but something funny happens.. like "ghost mp3s" coming out of nowhere.. like an mp3 that plays well on my hd becomes a totlayy different one on the player.. like there are some hidden files that swith with mine
18:17:03	kurzhaarrocker	Have you ever unplugged your drive without clicking on those tiny icons in the status bar?
18:17:22	kurzhaarrocker	status bar = task bar
18:17:31	DjCartOOn	hmmmm... may have happened once because my system crashed
18:18:44	kurzhaarrocker	Windows may delay writing to the disk. If you unplug before it has written everything the state of your drive is undefined or worse if you accidently unplug _while_ it is writing...
18:19:32	kurzhaarrocker	At least that is the most frequent reason for faulty data on the jukebox drives
18:19:32	DjCartOOn	well it usually gives me a bluescreen error at the end of the transfers, even if I didn't touch anything
18:20:03	kurzhaarrocker	Once the data on the drive is corrupt anything can happen.
18:21:40	DjCartOOn	=) got it. Well i'll charge the batteries and then I'll try to format =)
18:21:59	DjCartOOn	thanks shorthairrocker =)
18:22:04	kurzhaarrocker	:)
18:22:09	DjCartOOn	U german?
18:22:13	kurzhaarrocker	yes
18:22:17	DjCartOOn	dachte ich =)
18:22:33	kurzhaarrocker	Where are you from?
18:23:11	*	kurzhaarrocker comes from Dortmund
18:23:59	DjCartOOn	is half from florence, half from berlin
18:24:55	DjCartOOn	what does it mean if you see the usb icon on the rockbox but you don't have the tiny disk icon?
18:25:28	kurzhaarrocker	That means that the drivers on your computer aren't installed properly
18:25:40	kurzhaarrocker	Try to un- and reinstall in that case.
18:26:02	DjCartOOn	okie =)
18:26:21	DjCartOOn	i'll do both the format and the installing... maybe it's a combination of both =)
18:26:30	kurzhaarrocker	Could be
18:27:40	DjCartOOn	well danke kurzhaarocker und noch ein gl�cliches nues jahr!!!
18:27:52	kurzhaarrocker	The same for you
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19:31:24	Bluechip	evenin' all
19:31:50	diddystar5	hi Bluechip
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20:08:47	uski	any Eagle user out there ?
20:09:22	uski	i can't figure out how to make a groundplane :\
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20:12:51	Bluechip	what are you trying to do?
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20:21:02	uski	Bluechip: i want to make a groundplane
20:21:09	Bluechip	use a radiator
20:21:15	uski	Eagle can do this automatically, can't it ?
20:21:37	uski	a radiator ?
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20:25:08	DjCartOOn	hi there! anyone here?
20:25:35	Bluechip	uski: yes any radiator in your house - rub off some paint and use the bare metal as your groundplane
20:26:17	DjCartOOn	hi bluechip =)
20:26:42	diddystar5	hi DjCartOOn
20:26:48	DjCartOOn	hi diddystar
20:27:16	DjCartOOn	i just receieved my archos fm recorder and did all the rockbox conversions... neat!!!! =)
20:27:43	Bluechip	hi Dj
20:28:01	uski	Bluechip: hmmm, i meant a groundplane on a PCB :)
20:29:21	DjCartOOn	anyone wants to pant his jukebox new?
20:29:27	DjCartOOn	pant=paInt
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23:28:32	edx	Is it possible to modify the archos so that no batteries are needed and the whole thing can completely be charger-driven?
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23:29:05	[IDC]Dragon	yes, if you need no HD ;)
23:29:30	edx	argh
23:29:37	edx	I want to mod it to an external hd :p
23:30:59	edx	can't that be done somehow?
23:31:28	scott666	edx: it seems like it should be, but how easy it will be to do is another question
23:31:47	edx	:\|
23:31:50	edx	too sad
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