#rockbox 2004-01-05

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#rockbox log for 2004-01-05

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00:16:50	midknight2k3	idc
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00:27:51	midknight2k3	diddy star
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00:30:43	midknight2k3	hi hadaka
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00:34:49	midknight2k3	hi as! welcome back!
00:36:22	midknight2k3	brb
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01:18:11	atrack	Hi
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01:30:49	atrack	oh boy
01:30:52	atrack	hi mid
01:31:57	midknight2k3	oh boy what
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01:44:11	atrack	hi diddy
01:44:37	diddystar5	hi atrack
01:44:41	diddystar5	do i know you?
01:44:57	diddystar5	j/k
01:45:01	atrack	yes you do
01:45:14	midknight2k3	track
01:45:18	atrack	"track" was beginning to sound pedestrian
01:45:20	midknight2k3	what about the cdrw snappie
01:45:21	atrack	hi mid
01:45:30	midknight2k3	are the batteries high
01:45:34	midknight2k3	tall
01:45:35	atrack	almost
01:45:35	midknight2k3	flat
01:45:36	midknight2k3	whatever
01:45:40	midknight2k3	i wnt to see it
01:45:44	atrack	oh shut up and behave
01:46:06	atrack	at least mikeholden has half a brain cell between his ears
01:46:37	midknight2k3	wtf is your problem
01:46:46	atrack	my pc is fucked
01:47:32	atrack	so im not in the mood for any pisstaking
01:47:40	midknight2k3	you take piss?
01:47:42	midknight2k3	j/k :)
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02:03:57	midknight2k3	fine atrack
02:04:57	atrack	im fiddling wiv my digicam now
02:05:06	midknight2k3	you hate me
02:05:07	atrack	the best results come on the "manual" settings
02:05:23	midknight2k3	yes. but do you know how to operate them?
02:05:36	atrack	there you go again, more mick-taking
02:05:54	midknight2k3	mick taking?
02:06:10	atrack	im gonna go back to the archos firmware now
02:06:20	midknight2k3	stay there
02:06:22	midknight2k3	NON FLASHER
02:06:27	atrack	ok
02:07:00	midknight2k3	your RED LED is on the WRONG SIDE
02:07:31	atrack	and?
02:07:58	midknight2k3	and it's wrong
02:08:09	atrack	if u say so
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02:09:11	midknight2k3	we oughta delete jIRC
02:10:00	atrack	we should delete you off the face of this earth
02:12:18	midknight2k3	don't get spoilt. you'll blow up.
02:13:44	atrack	ok
02:13:47	atrack	whatever
02:22:52	midknight2k3	brb
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02:24:54	arspy87	where is Bluechip ???
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02:29:10	mk2k3	yo
02:29:45	arspy87	hi
02:30:02	arspy87	hi atrack
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02:31:22	arspy87	yo :)
02:31:28	midknight2k3	UGLY TRILLSUCK
02:33:21	midknight2k3	brb once more
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02:33:40	midknight2k3	great
02:33:42	midknight2k3	auto connect works
02:34:16	arspy87	:-)
02:34:46	atrack	h
02:34:48	atrack	hi
02:34:55	midknight2k3	track is mean
02:34:59	midknight2k3	therefor i hate him
02:35:00	midknight2k3	therefore*
02:38:03	midknight2k3	aS: any rockbox feature ideas
02:38:06	midknight2k3	i'm about out
02:38:17	midknight2k3	OH how about a rounded bar selector
02:38:20	midknight2k3	like on the karma
02:38:27	midknight2k3	not square
02:39:47	arspy87	ooh
02:39:51	arspy87	nice idea
02:40:40	arspy87	and also
02:40:47	midknight2k3	afad
02:40:51	arspy87	grayscaled menus
02:40:57	midknight2k3	yea right
02:40:59	midknight2k3	no way
02:40:59	arspy87	and a profile indicator
02:41:06	midknight2k3	? as?
02:41:09	arspy87	umm
02:41:10	midknight2k3	profile indicator?
02:41:16	arspy87	yeah
02:41:48	arspy87	id take a pic if my camera was installed
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02:42:23	midknight2k3	what are you talking about
02:43:13	arspy87	profile indicator on the progress indicator!
02:43:18	arspy87	its one of the karma vis's
02:43:24	midknight2k3	ohhh
02:43:34	arspy87	lol
02:43:36	midknight2k3	lot of work, that
02:43:39	midknight2k3	but hey
02:43:40	arspy87	probably
02:43:43	midknight2k3	wait a sec there
02:43:45	arspy87	k
02:43:48	midknight2k3	it could work
02:43:54	arspy87	cool
02:44:11	arspy87	well you could have a certain height line be drawn for certain level of volume
02:44:27	arspy87	there are 3 or 4 levels on karma
02:44:31	midknight2k3	yes
02:44:52	midknight2k3	we could either do 2 or 3 levels per side or 6 levels combined
02:45:20	arspy87	and place it according to the percentage of elapsed tiem compared to total time of the track, and use that percentage to locate the bar on the progress indicator
02:45:51	midknight2k3	?
02:45:59	midknight2k3	lol
02:46:01	arspy87	never mind
02:46:02	arspy87	lol
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02:47:21	midknight2k3	lamo
02:47:35	arspy87	hi atrack
02:47:46	atrack	hi
02:49:11	midknight2k3	he's a-track-ted to the iPod!
02:49:45	arspy87	lol
02:49:46	arspy87	really?
02:50:03	midknight2k3	yup
02:50:19	arspy87	iPod = bad, though
02:50:41	midknight2k3	he knows
02:51:02	atrack	theres nothing wrong with ipods
02:51:07	atrack	they work and play mp3s
02:51:15	midknight2k3	track: dont get started
02:51:23	midknight2k3	ars: track hates the karma
02:51:31	atrack	that is my personal opinion
02:51:45	midknight2k3	LD
02:53:10	arspy87	the karma is a nice device
02:53:18	midknight2k3	ok, inverted vid line with rounded edges it is
02:53:37	arspy87	cool
02:53:46	midknight2k3	SUAS
02:53:59	arspy87	ok
02:54:35	atrack	well done mid
02:54:50	midknight2k3	?
02:57:03	arspy87	lol
02:57:32	midknight2k3	dont be mean atrack
02:58:30	midknight2k3	AFAD YOU TRACK
02:58:52	midknight2k3	can i see a snappie of your mount ranier compliant bargain basement 52x cdrw drive?
03:00
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03:01:11	midknight2k3	OH I KNOW WHAT TO DO
03:01:16	midknight2k3	A NEW ID3 VIEWIER
03:01:27	arspy87	that would be cool
03:01:45	arspy87	i have an idea
03:01:54	midknight2k3	WTF IS IT THIS TIME
03:01:58	arspy87	nm
03:02:04	midknight2k3	lol
03:02:05	midknight2k3	what
03:02:15	midknight2k3	"crossfader" right
03:02:16	arspy87	it was for the startup
03:02:19	arspy87	nope lol
03:02:21	midknight2k3	ooh what
03:02:52	arspy87	rockbox shoots in from 1 pixel, then use the grayscale to make a shimmer go across it - ill show you what i mean, i have a link
03:03:16	midknight2k3	erm
03:03:23	midknight2k3	ohh like
03:03:41	midknight2k3	zoom in, hit the screen, and sort of a grayscale ghost fly past the lcd?
03:03:46	arspy87	yeah!
03:04:03	midknight2k3	so it stops but sorta keeps going yeah
03:04:06	midknight2k3	its a good idea
03:04:08	midknight2k3	but hard
03:04:14	arspy87	and after that, up int he corner of the 'X' have a starbright flash
03:04:55	arspy87	heres the link to the effect
03:05:08	arspy87	http://www.flashkit.com/tutorials/Text_Effects/Making_T-Beyond_S-525/index.php
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03:15:39	arspy87	brb
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03:17:23	arspy87	Hi Bluechip!!! :)
03:17:30	Bluechip	eeeeeeevnin :)
03:17:34	midknight2k3	hey bc
03:17:44	Bluechip	hey hey m k
03:17:51	arspy87	I g2g but I'll be back in 20-30 minutes dont go anywhere! :)
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03:20:47	midknight2k3	bluechip
03:20:53	Bluechip	yessum?
03:20:56	midknight2k3	diddystar sent me your mas plugin thingy
03:21:01	midknight2k3	majig whatever it is
03:21:03	Bluechip	did he indeed
03:21:05	midknight2k3	it's very nice
03:21:07	Bluechip	lol
03:21:12	Bluechip	cool - thanx
03:21:12	midknight2k3	but the mdb doesnt work?
03:21:17	midknight2k3	it didn't work for me
03:21:18	Bluechip	no code!
03:21:23	midknight2k3	that's the only th... ok
03:21:25	midknight2k3	that's why
03:21:38	Bluechip	what I should have been doing for the last 6 hours,not chatting to friends on the phone!
03:21:38	midknight2k3	but otherwise very nice
03:21:43	midknight2k3	lol
03:21:47	Bluechip	change one thing?
03:21:48	midknight2k3	i have a request
03:21:52	midknight2k3	?
03:22:13	Bluechip	name one way i can improve the plugin (apart from "finish it")
03:22:20	midknight2k3	oh
03:22:22	midknight2k3	hrm
03:22:41	midknight2k3	does "complete it" count?
03:22:45	midknight2k3	:)
03:22:47	midknight2k3	hrm hrm
03:22:50	midknight2k3	no no i can do this
03:22:54	Bluechip	:)
03:23:01	Bluechip	you mean it's 100% perfect?
03:23:03	midknight2k3	I CAN DO THIS
03:23:13	midknight2k3	DON'T GIVE ME ANY HINTS!
03:23:41	midknight2k3	ohh
03:24:08	midknight2k3	add a cool animation on start of the plugin: make it say "MAS" or something and zoom in and hit the screen and... yeah
03:24:22	Bluechip	lol
03:24:24	midknight2k3	but that ties into what my original request was: you should make a cool startup animation
03:24:29	midknight2k3	for rockbox itself
03:24:39	midknight2k3	but yes, a startup animation would be neat
03:24:42	Bluechip	run a video?
03:24:57	midknight2k3	what about a growing revolving MAS logo
03:25:04	Bluechip	if every time you went the audio menu it did some damn logo - i would go mad!
03:25:09	midknight2k3	ok nm
03:25:13	midknight2k3	but what about rockbox startup
03:25:16	midknight2k3	lol
03:25:20	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Bluechip
03:25:20	Bluechip	[02:24] <Bluechip> run a video?
03:25:26	midknight2k3	thats not possible
03:25:32	midknight2k3	unless we read from disk what the video is
03:25:35	midknight2k3	well
03:25:40	midknight2k3	would be too complicated
03:25:48	midknight2k3	just a small enhancement over the rockbox logo
03:26:02	Bluechip	yeaj load_plugin(video, startup.rvf)
03:26:08	Bluechip	...not my idea of difficult
03:26:17	midknight2k3	oh
03:26:21	midknight2k3	OH
03:26:23	midknight2k3	can you code that
03:26:33	midknight2k3	if you could that'd be so cool
03:26:33	Bluechip	i just did!
03:26:36	midknight2k3	make your own startup thing
03:26:40	midknight2k3	well, make it work. :)
03:27:17	Bluechip	if you refuse to write ONE line of code ...I will add it to the bottom of my list labelled "stuff to do with the rest of my life"
03:27:34	midknight2k3	lmao
03:27:37	midknight2k3	no thats not what i mean
03:27:43	midknight2k3	thats it
03:27:56	midknight2k3	just stick that in apps/playlist.c and it will work?
03:28:10	midknight2k3	i see NO WAY to make that work with just that one line of code
03:29:15	Bluechip	unlucky
03:29:20	Bluechip	:(
03:29:24	midknight2k3	?
03:29:32	Bluechip	you can't see it ....that sucks
03:29:40	midknight2k3	erm
03:29:50	midknight2k3	ok, any idea where to stick it?
03:30:00	Bluechip	yep
03:30:22	midknight2k3	ok, can you tell me where you think it needs to be sticked?
03:30:38	Bluechip	where exactly would you like to see it played ...at what precise point?
03:31:09	midknight2k3	right on boot.
03:31:38	Bluechip	impossible ...you need to spin up the HDD first
03:31:51	midknight2k3	ok, we can get technical
03:31:55	midknight2k3	ASAP
03:32:45	Bluechip	ASAP? ...yes, a technical term my boss used to use a lot too ...in which case the 'technical' answer will be ...right at the start of the code
03:33:19	midknight2k3	OH FORGET IT
03:33:25	Bluechip	forget what?
03:33:25	midknight2k3	i bet that was your plan
03:33:42	Bluechip	God makes all the plans ....I just sign the cheques
03:33:42	midknight2k3	bother me about details until i give up and you don't have to demo the code
03:34:24	Bluechip	but you prefer to give up rather than answer a straight and fair question ...why should I deprive you of the opportunity
03:34:58	midknight2k3	ok
03:35:04	midknight2k3	put it whereever you like
03:35:08	midknight2k3	i'd just like to see it work
03:35:09	Bluechip	bend over
03:35:13	Bluechip	lol
03:35:29	midknight2k3	put it anywhere in the CODE you like
03:35:41	Bluechip	erm ...no
03:35:55	Bluechip	you want it - you do it ....you don't want it ...you don't do it!
03:36:05	Bluechip	its a free choice
03:36:25	Bluechip	or maybe you could blame someone else ...that would be unusual
03:36:42	midknight2k3	never mind, bluechip
03:36:43	midknight2k3	please
03:37:18	Bluechip	okay ...never it is :) ...you're welcome :)
03:37:37	midknight2k3	thank you
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03:42:08		Nick Bluechip is now known as BC\|code (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
03:42:08	DBUG	Enqueued KICK BC\|code
03:42:27	arspy87	Coding, eh?
03:42:50	BC\|code	indeed
03:42:57	arspy87	what is it this time?
03:43:04	BC\|code	2:42
03:43:07	BC\|code	3
03:43:27	arspy87	no i mean what are you coding now ;)
03:43:31	midknight2k3	what are you CODING this tiem
03:43:42	arspy87	time*
03:43:56	BC\|code	yeah ...mind is elsewhere ...adding mdb & other new features
03:44:08	arspy87	:) cool
03:46:08	BC\|code	still not found anything to help me calculate an accurate response graph
03:46:14	midknight2k3	afad?
03:46:35	BC\|code	mdb
03:46:37	midknight2k3	bluechip: are you planning to replace "sound settings menu" with your plugin?
03:46:48	midknight2k3	or have "sound settings" link to the plugin?
03:47:01	BC\|code	no, i'm just planning on writing it ...others can decide if they want it in RAM
03:47:24	midknight2k3	i mean having "Sound Settings" call your plugin
03:47:34	BC\|code	I will just get my jukebox to load_plugin(audio) when I select sound
03:47:35	BC\|code	lol
03:47:45	arspy87	:)
03:47:57	midknight2k3	i want startup animations
03:47:59	arspy87	i got my new headphones today btw
03:48:02	midknight2k3	i may be able to do it
03:48:05	BC\|code	what dyou get?
03:48:12	arspy87	sennheiser hd 212 pro
03:48:19	BC\|code	(%$)* % 65 96 &^%^% ^%^%*
03:48:25	Ctcp	Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 16 minutes and 48 seconds at the last flood
03:48:25	*	BC\|code is envious
03:48:29	*	BC\|code VERY
03:48:38	midknight2k3	bc: ?
03:48:40	arspy87	:) they're nice
03:48:47	BC\|code	yes, they are :)
03:49:04	arspy87	the bass response is amazing, it feels like you're next to a subwoofer
03:49:22	midknight2k3	bc: get that mdb finished :) no rush
03:49:24	midknight2k3	but it sounds nice
03:49:26	BC\|code	now all you need is something to read when you listen :)
03:49:28	midknight2k3	i have the same ones
03:49:34	midknight2k3	but it sounds SUPER with mdb
03:49:43	midknight2k3	cutoff at 30 or 40hz
03:49:45	BC\|code	how would you know?????
03:49:46	midknight2k3	power 100%
03:49:51	midknight2k3	harmonics 0%
03:49:59	midknight2k3	there was an mdb patch earlier
03:50:06	BC\|code	LOL
03:50:07	midknight2k3	very VERY NICE
03:50:10	midknight2k3	what
03:50:19	arspy87	BC, you can get these 'phones for 30 bucks on amazon i hear
03:50:21	BC\|code	why is it not available any more
03:50:24	midknight2k3	it is
03:50:25	midknight2k3	bc
03:50:31	midknight2k3	it's just in an enhanced menu patch
03:50:32	BC\|code	maybe I am mistaking them for something else
03:50:37	midknight2k3	bc: ?
03:50:49	arspy87	they were 60 at circuit city where i got them
03:50:59	BC\|code	the one's I looked at were about $900
03:51:00	midknight2k3	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=793706
03:51:04	midknight2k3	WTF
03:51:06	midknight2k3	900 bucks
03:51:07	midknight2k3	yeah right
03:51:09	arspy87	lmao, wrong ones BC :)
03:51:34	BC\|code	lol
03:51:35	arspy87	how about teh senn premier series?
03:51:43	arspy87	those are what, in the thousands?
03:52:04	BC\|code	it was at an audio specialist up the road a year or so back, thought i recognised the number
03:52:23	BC\|code	kinda hoping for a set of etymoic's now I know they make them
03:52:42	arspy87	ah yes, the Orpheus are 15k!!!
03:52:45	BC\|code	I use etymoic ear plugs on stage - nothing beats them
03:52:50	midknight2k3	15k!?
03:52:55	midknight2k3	wait
03:52:59	midknight2k3	15,000 dollars?
03:53:04	midknight2k3	no
03:53:12	midknight2k3	1,500?
03:53:24	BC\|code	you're embarrasing yourself mk
03:53:26	arspy87	no, 15,000
03:53:30	midknight2k3	no way
03:53:32	midknight2k3	not possible
03:53:53	arspy87	http://www.sennheiserusa.com/pages/products/headphones/orpheus.htm
03:54:05	arspy87	click on Premier
03:54:41	midknight2k3	WHOA
03:54:44	midknight2k3	NOT POSSIBLE
03:55:18	midknight2k3	i bet they got about one customer for that one
03:55:27	arspy87	the hd 212 pro's are closed
03:56:16	BC\|code	lol - "Single-sided, detachable, kevlar-reinforced OFC signal cable"
03:56:28	BC\|code	kevlar cables!!!
03:56:35	midknight2k3	lol
03:56:43	midknight2k3	insane
03:57:17	BC\|code	geez, these things are CHEAP in the states!
03:57:29	arspy87	lol
03:57:39	BC\|code	UK sucks!
03:57:39	arspy87	15k is not small change!
03:58:05	arspy87	i heard somewhere that studio monitoring closed headphones are bad for your ears - true?
03:58:27	BC\|code	to a degree yes
03:58:40	BC\|code	but I prefer the sound
03:59:22	arspy87	bad idea to listen to them for extended periods i guess
03:59:50	midknight2k3	define extended periods
03:59:54	midknight2k3	does a few years count?
03:59:57	BC\|code	bah - everything's bad for you
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04:00:00	arspy87	lol
04:00:04	BC\|code	die happy :)
04:00:14	midknight2k3	lol
04:00:34	BC\|code	any fun at the book shop spy?
04:01:13	arspy87	oh, i didnt make it today :(
04:01:39	BC\|code	that's cool too ...did you try any of the trance phrases out on your folks?
04:02:09	arspy87	on my friend, and it worked
04:02:13	BC\|code	;)
04:02:16	arspy87	:)
04:02:44	BC\|code	you could have told him ANYTHING in that state :S
04:03:39	arspy87	probably lol
04:03:50	BC\|code	really! LMAO
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04:04:14	arspy87	:-D
04:04:14	BC\|code	this is OT ....
04:09:38	BC\|code	what's the cutoff freq on those headphones?
04:09:49	midknight2k3	who cares
04:09:56	BC\|code	the mdb protocol
04:10:06	midknight2k3	i like 30 or 40hz
04:10:17	midknight2k3	with 0 harmonics, full strength
04:10:22	arspy87	the 212 pros?
04:10:26	BC\|code	yeah
04:11:00	arspy87	freq response is 12 - 19000hz
04:11:49	midknight2k3	19000 lol
04:12:12	arspy87	?
04:12:21	midknight2k3	nm
04:12:37	arspy87	it seems low
04:12:41	arspy87	but sounds good anyway
04:12:45	BC\|code	wonder if that's for real or under test conditions ...seems VERY low
04:13:40	midknight2k3	what
04:13:43	midknight2k3	nm
04:14:02	BC\|code	is never forever?
04:14:09	arspy87	?
04:14:17	BC\|code	<midknight2k3> nm
04:14:26	arspy87	oh lol
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04:25:18	Strath	hello hello hello
04:25:24	BC\|code	hi hi hi
04:25:31	midknight2k3	ugh
04:25:35	midknight2k3	its strath :)
04:25:37	Strath	hows it going?
04:25:37	midknight2k3	j/k
04:25:46	Strath	pbth :P
04:25:49	midknight2k3	ok
04:26:18	arspy87	mk tell 'em about my startup screen idea :)
04:26:39	midknight2k3	bc can do it with one line of code
04:26:47	midknight2k3	sort of
04:26:52	Strath	heh
04:27:06	Strath	define "line" :)
04:27:38	BC\|code	then define mirror and razor blade
04:27:51	BC\|code	sorry i mean...
04:28:01	BC\|code	without using the words "mirror" or "razor blade"
04:28:11	arspy87	however much 1 point closely kerned fonts can fit across the horizontal diameter of a screen in 2048x1576 mode
04:28:19	midknight2k3	mirror: reflection
04:28:26	midknight2k3	razor blade: sharp object
04:28:58	Strath	you must not be an example of one then..
04:29:00	arspy87	BC: ^^^
04:29:24	BC\|code	you place the drugs on the reflaction and shuffle them about with a sharp object
04:29:57	midknight2k3	yup
04:30:01	BC\|code	LOL
04:30:19	arspy87	reflaction eh?
04:30:24	arspy87	reflection + refraction?
04:30:32	BC\|code	indeed :)
04:32:06	Strath	and might i ask what that has to do with a startup screen?
04:32:39	BC\|code	by all means ...take the mic :)
04:32:44	arspy87	ok
04:32:45	arspy87	well
04:32:57	arspy87	midk can explain it better :)
04:33:17	midknight2k3	lol
04:33:22	arspy87	but my idea was to have the rockbox logo fly in from 1 pixel int he middle of the screen
04:33:33	BC\|code	video can be initiated on startup with one "line" of code ..."line" can be used easily as a pun hook to obscure drugs reference
04:33:36	arspy87	and then have a grayscale "ghost" run masked across the type like a shimmer
04:34:18	arspy87	adn after that a starbright in the upper right corner of the x flash ina nd out
04:34:36	BC\|code	can it take about 15 seconds to run?
04:34:49	midknight2k3	well
04:34:52	BC\|code	then we can get rockbox to boot as slow as old archos firmware
04:34:53	midknight2k3	the way i see it
04:35:00	midknight2k3	about 3 seconds
04:35:01	Strath	i'd say 5-7 secongs at most...
04:35:34	midknight2k3	zoom in in about 1, have a ghost go farther in about 0.5, then the glimmer about 2
04:36:18	BC\|code	you impress me mk ...didn't realise your math was up to scale and zoom algorithms
04:36:20	*	BC\|code bows
04:36:48	midknight2k3	tee hee
04:36:59	BC\|code	I am CRAP at math!
04:37:22	arspy87	^ ditto ^ i hate precalc.
04:38:43	BC\|code	mk, do you use lookup tables or float for your stuff?
04:38:59	BC\|code	...or a.n.other
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04:46:49	arspy87	i g2g, nice talking
04:47:23	arspy87	nite everyone
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04:52:45	midknight2k3	demo boot video concept thing:
04:53:04	midknight2k3	http://freewebs.com/midknight2k3/rockbox-boot.wmv
04:57:07	BC\|code	not bad - now to make it run at boot
04:57:15	midknight2k3	wait
04:57:19	midknight2k3	updated version in a sec
04:57:52	BC\|code	tell me when you got it just right
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05:06:59	midknight2k3	ok i think i got it
05:07:02	midknight2k3	let me upload it
05:07:34	BC\|code	this is ur best one yes?s
05:07:40	midknight2k3	wait
05:07:42	midknight2k3	no
05:08:39	midknight2k3	uploading
05:08:50	midknight2k3	if it is uploading
05:10:47	midknight2k3	ok
05:10:48	midknight2k3	here it is
05:10:53	midknight2k3	http://freewebs.com/midknight2k3/rockbox-boot2.wmv
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05:14:26	BC\|code	cool - i would start the sparkle when the zoom ends - but yes, very nice
05:14:42	midknight2k3	i'll fix it
05:16:10	BC\|code	"listen very carefully , i shall say this only once" ...british comedy joke
05:16:42	midknight2k3	erm
05:16:58	midknight2k3	right
05:17:40	BC\|code	nick the load_plugin() example from tree.c in the run-video section, edit it so that instead of "filename" you actually put the right filename, put it just before broswe_root in main.c
05:18:24	midknight2k3	will try
05:18:59	midknight2k3	i'm assuming there is more work than this required?
05:22:30	BC\|code	yes, you will also need to convert your movie to rockbox format
05:22:39	midknight2k3	well yeah
05:22:48	midknight2k3	wow
05:22:52	midknight2k3	let me try this
05:24:08	midknight2k3	ok vid works
05:24:11	midknight2k3	now to code it
05:25:17	midknight2k3	ok nicked..
05:25:55	midknight2k3	like so?:
05:25:56	midknight2k3	static bool dirbrowse(char root, int dirfilter);
05:25:56	midknight2k3	plugin_load("/.rockbox/rocks/video.rock",boot.rvf);
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05:25:56	midknight2k3	void browse_root(void)
05:25:56	midknight2k3	{
05:26:05	midknight2k3	or should it be /boot.rvf ?
05:26:20	BC\|code	"/kjjhkljl"
05:26:34	midknight2k3	kjjhkljl?
05:26:40	BC\|code	whatever
05:26:47	midknight2k3	lol
05:27:03	BC\|code	before browse is CALLED not defined!
05:27:14	midknight2k3	oops
05:27:18	midknight2k3	wait
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05:27:23	midknight2k3	:)
05:27:27	BC\|code	lol
05:27:41	midknight2k3	i was just about to pelt you with errors
05:28:02	midknight2k3	that's all there is in tree.c
05:28:05	midknight2k3	for browse_root
05:28:13	BC\|code	it might be courteous to dump code in a private window
05:28:24	midknight2k3	ok sir
05:28:32	midknight2k3	erm
05:30:24	BC\|code	and what file are you looking in?
05:30:31	midknight2k3	tree.c?
05:31:02	BC\|code	lol
05:31:10	midknight2k3	...
05:31:28	BC\|code	can't repeat ...busy
05:31:44	midknight2k3	OOPS
05:39:31	midknight2k3	nite all
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10:06:45	BC\|code	mornin all
10:07:28	BC\|code	does anyone know why "creat" insists on putting a Read-Only flag on every file it creates?
10:11:11	kurzhaarrocker	you mean cvs?
10:11:28	BC\|code	no the rockbox file.c function calls
10:12:03	kurzhaarrocker	Probably a bug.
10:12:25	BC\|code	hmmm, not sure i wanna bugger around in that particular file - lol
10:12:41	BC\|code	wondered if I had missed some weird POSIX option
10:13:02	Strath	sure it's not a feature?
10:13:10	BC\|code	serious?
10:13:38	Strath	what does "creat" do?
10:13:44	BC\|code	problem is that I can only ever save my options ONCE ...then file exists and it's read only !!!
10:13:48	BC\|code	creates a file
10:13:52	Strath	heh
10:14:07	Strath	maybe it's a safty feature
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10:14:34	BC\|code	safty ...that's a new one on me
10:14:37	Strath	just call what you need to to remove the attribute when you need to make changes
10:14:46	BC\|code	which is.....
10:14:50	BC\|code	lol
10:14:58	Strath	shrugs
10:15:13	Strath	i don't know rockbox specifics
10:15:21	BC\|code	posix?
10:15:33	Strath	uh...
10:15:37	Strath	one sec
10:16:03	BC\|code	close, creat, filesize, flush_cache, fsync, ftruncate, lseek, open, read, readwrite, remove, rename, write
10:19:32	BC\|code	i got a horrible feeling it might be an uninitialise variable :(
10:19:38	BC\|code	*d
10:19:42	Strath	heh
10:20:58	Strath	what do you know about compression algorithms?
10:21:23	BC\|code	modest amount - principles rather than mechanics
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10:22:08	BC\|code	lthough I did have to step a gunzip once so I know that inside out
10:22:15	Strath	ok, probaly wont be able to help then, i'm having problems with my implementaion
10:22:30	Strath	that may help...
10:23:10	Strath	i set it up with a 4096 byte window (12 bit offset, 4 bit length, grouped 8 flags)
10:23:21	Strath	does that sound about right?
10:23:59	BC\|code	miseed the "flags" reference, but yes, that sounds fair for a typical huffman compressor
10:24:16	Strath	what is huffman?
10:24:20	BC\|code	gzip
10:24:27	BC\|code	well most of them really
10:24:27	Strath	oh
10:24:42	BC\|code	eg bzip is bwt+gzip
10:24:56	BC\|code	essentially
10:25:08	Strath	hrm...
10:25:20	Strath	so i'm missing something i guess
10:25:34	Strath	may need to dive back into the documentaion
10:25:56	BC\|code	but there a dozens of compression algorithms ...so depending on which you are coding ...those numbers could be wwwwwwaaaaaayyyyyy off ...but they sound cool for a basic huffman table
10:26:45	Strath	trouble is, i'm not sure of the exact algorithm that was used
10:26:57	kurzhaarrocker	c0utta: are you still busy with that configurable F2 /F3?
10:28:05	Strath	goin back to the docs, pm me if ya think of somethin
10:32:40	BC\|code	kurz ...i dont recall if i have shown you my audio stuff recently, or come to that, if it is something of interest to you?
10:33:10	dwihno	\o/
10:33:19	dwihno	Another monday! \o/
10:33:45	BC\|code	its raining here
10:34:26	BC\|code	any further with you new gui?
10:34:58	kurzhaarrocker	BC\|code I've tested your plugin. Works fine. Have you seen that icon surface by dwihno?
10:35:22	BC\|code	yes dwihno's gui is V cool
10:35:56	dwihno	BC\|code: I'll work on the clean patch today, making it up to date.
10:35:58	BC\|code	I have added basic MDB, decimal scales, and you can now re-org the menu items
10:35:59	dwihno	Time to leave. bye.
10:36:04	BC\|code	byeee
10:36:11	kurzhaarrocker	see you
10:36:37	BC\|code	oh, and the font is bigger
10:37:01	kurzhaarrocker	BC\|code You have an option, something about @ 1kHz, or so. Is that the loudness?
10:37:07	BC\|code	wanna make it font-support ...but before I can do that, I need to find a way to convert my font over so that I can still use it!
10:37:31	BC\|code	ahh yes ...have also written full docs as well :)
10:37:46	BC\|code	yes @?KHz is the centre frequency for the loudness control
10:38:48	BC\|code	wish i could find more info on what mdb is
10:39:22	BC\|code	the response graph in the manual is somewhat lacking
10:55:19	BC\|code	l8rz guys
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14:08:10	Atrack	Hi
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14:14:37	midhaarrocker	Hi
14:15:10	midhaarrocker	BC\|code I just critisized your red zone patch :)
14:15:21	BC\|code	read zone?
14:15:26	midhaarrocker	for peak meter
14:15:48	BC\|code	no peak meter from me??
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14:16:09	*	Bluechip confused
14:16:23	midhaarrocker	Sorry, got mixed up!
14:16:27	*	midhaarrocker is ashamed
14:16:28	Bluechip	s'okay
14:16:30	Bluechip	lol
14:16:46	midhaarrocker	It's a patch by midknight
14:16:53	Bluechip	my audio patch is all settings
14:16:56	Bluechip	LOL
14:17:12	Bluechip	me and mk - not sure who should be more complimented/insulted
14:18:14	midhaarrocker	Both complimented of course. You do things for rockbox.
14:18:28	Bluechip	:D
14:18:59	Bluechip	playing with the new customisable stereo seperation, I found a new handy combo :)
14:19:03	Bluechip	MONO-LOUD
14:19:16	Bluechip	for real quiet speech recordings
14:19:34	midhaarrocker	Let me guess: adds left + right?
14:19:45	Bluechip	yep!
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16:08:59	Dogger	anyone know any info on torisan display driver chips etc
16:09:04	Dogger	their webpage sucks
16:09:16	*	midhaarrocker knows nothing
16:09:57	Atrack	hi
16:10:30	midhaarrocker	hi
16:10:47	Dogger	http://www.torisan.co.jp/torisan/pdfdate/English/E_TM038QV-67A02A.pdf
16:10:49	Dogger	check this
16:10:57	Dogger	I think its the av300 touchscreen display
16:11:04	Dogger	(I think the av300 has a touchscreen)
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17:38:04	DjCartOOn	hello =)
17:38:13	DjCartOOn	anybody here?
17:38:50	diddystar5	me
17:39:13	DjCartOOn	hi diddy =)
17:39:26	DjCartOOn	may I ask you for a little help with rockbox?
17:39:26	diddystar5	hi DjCartOOn
17:40:18	DBUG	Enqueued KICK DjCartOOn
17:40:18	DjCartOOn	is desperate =(
17:40:40	DjCartOOn	my archos fm recorder keeps doing funny things
17:40:50	diddystar5	sure
17:42:10	diddystar5	whats your problem?
17:42:58	diddystar5	please dont use black fonts, i cant see them in xchat
17:43:09	diddystar5	what does your fm keep doing?
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17:43:18	DjCartOOn	better?
17:43:28	diddystar5	yes
17:43:34	DjCartOOn	okie
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17:43:56	DjCartOOn	well, first of all the usb keeps going funny
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17:44:25	DjCartOOn	only 1 time out of 6 it sees my recorder
17:44:29	diddystar5	likw what? you get 2 icons in the taskbar?
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17:44:46	DjCartOOn	no none
17:44:56	diddystar5	does wiggleing help?
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17:45:36	DjCartOOn	what's that?
17:45:55	diddystar5	err, moving the cable around
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17:46:20	DjCartOOn	let's see
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17:47:08	DjCartOOn	nope
17:47:26	diddystar5	are you on windows xp?
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17:48:56	DjCartOOn	no win 98 se
17:49:41	diddystar5	ok, i really have no idea
17:50:03	diddystar5	thatsnot firmware related, most likely
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17:50:19	DjCartOOn	he he he.... ok thanks anyway =) Do yhou have an idea who could help me?
17:50:20	diddystar5	do you get the USB icon on the screen when you hook up USB?
17:50:29	DjCartOOn	yes I do
17:50:32	diddystar5	(on the fm rec)
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17:50:41	DjCartOOn	yes I do
17:51:13	diddystar5	ok, then the prblemis most likely on the computers side, because the icon comes up when the archos receives power from the usb
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17:52:00	DjCartOOn	what could I do then?
17:52:48	diddystar5	i don't know
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17:53:14	DjCartOOn	do you think i need to subscribe to the ML?
17:53:19	diddystar5	is you USB built in to your computer, or do you have a seberate card?
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17:54:21	DjCartOOn	I am using one card I seldom used before.. do you think that may be the problem?
17:55:22	diddystar5	i would check, make sure its in good, and maybe try built in USB ports, or another computer
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17:55:42	DjCartOOn	thanks a lot diddy
17:56:24	diddystar5	ok
17:56:33	diddystar5	i wish i could tell you a solution :)
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17:57:17	DjCartOOn	well i formatted the Archos and reinstalled everything already, as another user here told me
17:57:26	***	Alert Mode level 16
17:57:26	DjCartOOn	but it still does fun things
17:58:06	diddystar5	is USB the only problem?
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17:59:27	DjCartOOn	well i think all my problems are usb related
17:59:38	***	Alert Mode level 18
17:59:38	DjCartOOn	i mean consequences of bad usb connection
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18:00:48	diddystar5	What are those consequences?
18:00:51	DjCartOOn	hi Ear
18:01:01	earHurts	hiya
18:01:15	diddystar5	yo earHertz
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18:01:20	DjCartOOn	mp3's i put in appear as "root" files with no 1d3 tag and either don't play at all or play totally different music
18:02:15	earHurts	mp3s you put where?
18:02:42	diddystar5	something is not right :(, but i doubt that is USB related
18:03:28	earHurts	what happens if you play them on your pc, from the archos drive, via usb?
18:03:30	DjCartOOn	i thought so... but what could it be? a virus maybe?
18:03:53	diddystar5	no
18:04:01	earHurts	more likely a cross-linked disk
18:04:06	earHurts	run chkdsk
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18:04:08	DjCartOOn	they sound fine. Usually before they are completely copied I geta bluescreen message tellimg me the drive is not accessible
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18:04:31	earHurts	definitely run chkdsk
18:05:04	earHurts	why is your text red, DjCartoon?
18:05:56	diddystar5	he wants it to be
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18:08:52	DjCartOOn	just because if I write red diddy can't read it
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18:09:35	DjCartOOn	diddy I'm off to chkdsk... be back later =)
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18:11:41	diddystar5	DjcartOOn: good
18:11:46	diddystar5	to late
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18:32:50	Jet8810	I got an Ipod yesterday...:-P
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18:36:24	Dogger	ipods are cool
18:36:33	Jet8810	yeaa, its aweesomem
18:36:55	Jet8810	but all my id3 tags have issues so it is a liittle bit kludgy from that standpoint
18:37:03	Dogger	ah yeah
18:37:11	Jet8810	and with 4000 songs, pain to ffix
18:37:12	Dogger	heard there were problems with tags and itunes
18:37:23	Jet8810	hmm, I havent found any
18:37:26	Jet8810	well see
18:37:42	Jet8810	but my tags arre already all "Scott" "Scot" "Sccot" type stuff
18:37:44	Jet8810	pretty annoying
18:37:53	Dogger	ah lol
18:37:56	Dogger	not good
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18:38:20	Jet8810	heeh nope
18:38:56	Jet8810	I guess ill just get an id3 tag editor...and as I find flaws in the pod, edit them on compo
18:39:30	Jet8810	i just need to ffind a program that lets me search for songs with name x in the actuala name, theen edit t he id3 tags
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18:47:52	Guest	hi =)
18:48:11	Guest	whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo's here?
18:48:16	Dogger	not me
18:48:44	Guest	lol =)
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18:49:59	Guest	anybody can answer a question?
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18:52:21	Guest	hi diddy!!!
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18:52:37	Guest	problem solved diddy!!!!
18:53:00	Guest	you gave a good idea =)
18:53:07	diddystar5	:)
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18:53:17	diddystar5	USB card was loose?
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18:53:28	Guest	<−−- was Djcartoon who actually forgot to sign in witht he right name
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18:53:49	Guest	usb port was defective.... changed it and works like a dream
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18:55:56	diddystar5	good
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18:56:41	Guest	diddy maybe you can help me with another thing.... do you have a recorder?
18:57:49	diddystar5	yes
18:57:59	Dogger	hey diddystar5
18:59:15	Guest	ho dogger
18:59:28	diddystar5	Dogger: any new stuff?
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18:59:33	Guest	can you record without having all that hard disk background noise?
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19:00:23	diddystar5	Guest: sorry, not with the internel mic, but you can get a externle mic and you want have those sounds.
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19:01:00	Guest	I c... well thaks =)
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19:02:44	Guest	Djcartoon... yikes... and awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy gone
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20:54:34	quelsaruk	hi
20:54:37	quelsaruk	:)
20:54:59	quelsaruk	arg!! zagor's here!
20:55:00	quelsaruk	:P
20:57:22	Zagor	:)
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21:07:48	arspy87	hey
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21:08:18	elinenbe	back from Holiday −− hello everyone!
21:11:23	quelsaruk	hi elinenbe
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21:16:56	elinenbe	hello
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21:19:08	quelsaruk	hi [IDC]Dragon
21:19:20	[IDC]Dragon	hi quel!
21:20:17	Dogger	hi all
21:21:11	uski	hi [IDC]Dragon
21:21:15	uski	hi *
21:21:31	[IDC]Dragon	hey, almost everybody here
21:21:38	uski	yea
21:21:44	uski	we're a great family !
21:21:54	Dogger	everyone in the world is here right?
21:23:50	[IDC]Dragon	missing Linus, Daniel
21:25:01	Dogger	hear that I got my code running on av300 now?
21:25:14	Dogger	and the emulator runs quite a lot of the firmware now :)
21:25:45	quelsaruk	yups
21:26:16	quelsaruk	also langhaarrocker... btw, has anyone an idea why he changed his nick to kudzhaarrocker or something like that?
21:27:03	[IDC]Dragon	to adjust for current hairstyle
21:41:48	elinenbe	Dogger: what are you talking about?
21:42:25	Dogger	I made my first real program for my av300
21:42:41	Dogger	and can run it without altering the firmware now :)
21:42:55	Dogger	it reads status of the buttons, and sends it via serial to my laptop
21:42:56	elinenbe	Dogger: are you the person who will not release any of the specs?
21:43:27	Dogger	will not?
21:43:35	Dogger	I am not releasing anything yet no
21:43:45	elinenbe	Dogger: will you ever?
21:43:46	Dogger	because archos' lawyer is still threatening me
21:43:51	Dogger	of course I will
21:44:02	elinenbe	Dogger: where are you located?
21:44:02	Dogger	once I have coded a game, I will release the binary for a start
21:44:09	Dogger	uk at the moment
21:44:18	elinenbe	Dogger: steal my sokoban code from rockbox.
21:44:23	elinenbe	that should be easy enough.
21:44:33	Dogger	huh?
21:44:41	Dogger	ah is that a game?
21:44:52	Dogger	I'm coding everything in assembly at the moment tho
21:45:00	Ctcp	Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 12 minutes at the last flood
21:45:00	*	Dogger hates c with a passion :)
21:46:49	quelsaruk	[IDC]Dragon what does kudz mean now? before it was long haired rocker (my german is impressive btw) ;)
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21:47:13	[IDC]Dragon	kurz = short
21:47:32	quelsaruk	interesting
21:47:32	quelsaruk	:)
21:47:46	[IDC]Dragon	now he changed again, to mid
21:49:02	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: I have a question about your latest commit... can you push a sound during playback?
21:49:15	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: like everytime I hit a button I hear a beep?
21:49:18	[IDC]Dragon	that was quick!
21:49:36	elinenbe	I'm the quickest!
21:49:39	[IDC]Dragon	Currently, you can't "inject", no
21:49:52	[IDC]Dragon	only while not playing
21:50:06	[IDC]Dragon	but this is on the list, too
21:50:25	Dogger	how complex is the MAS?
21:50:41	Dogger	I need to emulate it at some point
21:50:48	[IDC]Dragon	Dunno, haven't programmed it ;)
21:50:59	Dogger	ok :)
21:51:13	[IDC]Dragon	To use it is not too difficult
21:51:25	[IDC]Dragon	I thought the AV has no MAS?
21:51:36	Dogger	it has a MAS
21:51:40	Dogger	via I2C bus
21:51:56	[IDC]Dragon	and the DSP/ARM chip?
21:52:13	Dogger	that could prolly do the mp3 coding/decoding yeah
21:52:21	Dogger	but they used a separate MAS chip
21:52:39	[IDC]Dragon	sounds like awkward system design
21:52:49	Dogger	maybe,
21:52:56	Dogger	perhaps dsp cant encode to mp3
21:53:06	Dogger	or maybe they just had code lying around for the mas
21:53:21	[IDC]Dragon	hmm, most mp3 players have an ARM7
21:55:13	Dogger	av300 is arm7 core
21:55:31	[IDC]Dragon	I know, that's why I'm wondering
21:55:38	Dogger	o ok :)
21:56:02	[IDC]Dragon	We found out together, remember?
21:56:24	Dogger	ah yeah.... so long ago :)
21:56:33	[IDC]Dragon	When you first took it apart and were researching about the chip
21:56:34	Dogger	I have been slow to get the av300 running code :(
21:56:50	Dogger	check this: http://www.axod.net/v2.avi
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21:58:03	[IDC]Dragon	nice colourbars!
21:58:14	Dogger	yeah but you see when I press a button
21:58:18	Dogger	it sends it to the laptop
21:58:21	Dogger	and it prints it out
21:58:27	Dogger	I wrote that
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21:58:49	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: I thought that inject sounds was impossible because fo the buffer and all, although I thought this was already attempted (see patch tracker) and no one was successful...
21:59:24	[IDC]Dragon	I dunno about the patch tracker attempt
21:59:59	[IDC]Dragon	but it shure is possible: stop the DMA on a frame boundary, set it to the new stuff, restore state
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22:01:18	uski	?
22:01:23	uski	inject sound where ?
22:01:26	uski	from what ?
22:01:29	uski	which format ?
22:01:39	[IDC]Dragon	while playing, from memory
22:01:42	uski	k
22:01:52	[IDC]Dragon	mp3 format (bitswapped)
22:01:57	uski	then it must be psosible
22:02:10	uski	the main problem i see is that care must be taken to change the MAS registers
22:02:14	uski	(bitrate, ...)
22:02:34	[IDC]Dragon	no, you only need to manage the dataflow
22:02:49	Zagor	the mas handles the bitrate by itself
22:02:50	uski	you mean the MAS doesn't know the bitrate ?
22:02:56	[IDC]Dragon	the MAS does everthing else by itself automagically
22:02:56	uski	hmmmm ok
22:03:12	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: I think this should be the next effort. I would love to hear a click (aka ipod) during button presses and such. that would be AWESOME!
22:03:14	Zagor	otherwise vbr would be very painful :)
22:03:28	uski	Zagor: lolol right
22:03:36	elinenbe	Dogger: nice video... that is the way rockbox started ;D
22:03:40	[IDC]Dragon	can we play free format mp3?
22:03:53	uski	[IDC]Dragon: try :P ,)
22:04:10	Dogger	elinenbe: yep :) and now I can run code without touching the firmware, I should have a game done by next week ;)
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22:04:14	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: free format?
22:04:15	uski	(if the MAS is compliant with the MP3 specs then yes you can, up to 320kbps)
22:04:24	uski	(but im' not sure it is ;))
22:04:28	uski	(compliant)
22:04:37	[IDC]Dragon	free format has variable sized frames
22:05:09	uski	`man lame`:
22:05:11	uski	However, even if an mp3 decoder is required to support free
22:05:11	uski	bitrates at least up to 320 kbps, many players are unable to
22:05:11	uski	deal with it.
22:05:22	uski	hmmm if you want i can try tomorrow
22:05:27	[IDC]Dragon	vs. variable bitrate just switches rate on a frame by frame basis
22:05:28	uski	i can encode a small free format mp3
22:05:35	uski	then i send it to my recorder
22:06:44	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: i don't understand. vbr uses different frame lenghts.
22:07:13	[IDC]Dragon	Yes, but the bitrate defines the frame length
22:07:14	elinenbe	Dogger: can you load your own custom firmware?
22:07:26	Dogger	elinenbe: when I've written it yes
22:07:30	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: ah, yes.
22:07:54	elinenbe	Zagor: is the bookmarking patch going in anytime soon? ;D
22:08:35	diddystar5	elinenbe: work needs to be done on it
22:08:41	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: you mean use a varying number of samples per frame? why does one want to do that?
22:09:04	quelsaruk	btw, i got today my new recorder 20, now, my poor old recorder 6 can rest a bit... before i get bored and make some mods to it :D
22:09:15	Zagor	elinenbe: as soon as the stack issue is solved
22:09:39	[IDC]Dragon	maybe because it's easier to encode?
22:10:59	Zagor	well to me that doesn't sound like a good enough reason to break the data format :)
22:11:23	[IDC]Dragon	I haven't invented it...
22:11:44	[IDC]Dragon	Oops, my commit broke quite some builds :(
22:11:46	Zagor	what programs use/produce it?
22:12:02	Zagor	hehe. fix fix ;)
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22:12:08	elinenbe	Zagor: I thought the latest version of the patch corrected the stack behavior
22:12:16	Atrack	Hi
22:12:19	diddystar5	OOOH NO ITS TRACK
22:12:26	[IDC]Dragon	Looking into it...
22:12:30	diddystar5	Zagor: hack him!
22:12:35	Zagor	elinenbe: ok. i'm still lagging behind a bit.
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22:12:58	Guest57	hi all
22:13:23	Atrack	hi Guest57
22:13:45	Guest57	is there some plan to support the link in our fat32 filesystem ? if it interrest some coder, I founded some code, and doc about the format of the lnk file format
22:14:07	Guest57	hi Atrack
22:14:50	Zagor	Guest57: you mean windows shortcuts?
22:15:12	Guest57	another question: why is there no more the firmware image available on the daily build download ?
22:15:25	Zagor	Guest57: they are inside the .zip files
22:18:12	Atrack	hi Zagor
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22:19:24	Zagor	hi
22:19:49	Zagor	Guest57: shortcuts are not part of the file system. they are a bizarre microsoft windows invention.
22:20:24	Atrack	basically they are just icons that point to the location of a program etc.
22:22:08	Atrack	so whats in the pipeline for Rockbox in 2004 Zagor?
22:23:40	Zagor	having fun, writing code
22:24:02	Dogger	everyone migrates over to writing for avos! :)
22:24:06	Zagor	we don't make detailed plans. it all depends on what code gets written.
22:24:10	Dogger	just kidding
22:24:30	Zagor	Dogger: you're not exactly encouraging it by writing everything in assembler... :)
22:24:44	Dogger	assembler takes skill
22:24:47	Dogger	so you get better coders
22:24:48	quelsaruk	Zagor, those t-shirts saw the light or are still "in pause"??
22:25:02	Dogger	anyway I will prolly use c later when I get further
22:25:06	diddystar5	i want a rockbox shirt!
22:25:06	Atrack	thank god for seperate memory card readers,,,,,,,
22:25:32	Zagor	we never got the image from adiamas... dunno if anyone is actually still interested.
22:25:50	quelsaruk	Zagor, at least me :P
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22:26:30	Dogger	Zagor: anyway my emulators written in java :)
22:26:39	Atrack	Happy New Year to you Zagor
22:26:49	Zagor	thanks
22:27:18	quelsaruk	here have to go
22:27:23	quelsaruk	cu another day
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22:27:34	diddystar5	hey Bagder
22:27:38	Bagder	evening
22:27:45	[IDC]Dragon	Here he is
22:27:51	quelsaruk	hi Bagder :P
22:27:57	quelsaruk	bbl!
22:27:59	quelsaruk	i hope
22:28:00	quelsaruk	;)
22:28:09	Bagder	hi goatmaster!
22:28:12	Atrack	hi Bagder
22:28:19	Atrack	Happy New Year to you Bagder
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22:30:53	elinenbe	Zagor: I do have a question. Why is it that when I build my rockbox, I get a rockbo.ucl file with the word " fake" in it?
22:31:09	elinenbe	sorry rockbo.ucl = rockbox.ucl
22:31:22	elinenbe	I would love to have it automatically build the rockbox.ucl file for real.
22:31:32	Bagder	elinenbe: you lack the uclpack command
22:33:36	elinenbe	Bagder: where do I instert that... into the make file?
22:33:44		Quit cjnr11 ()
22:33:53	Bagder	no, just make sure it exists in your path
22:34:00	elinenbe	shouldn't that be automatic because when I run configure I tell it what type of jukebox I am using.
22:34:35	Bagder	when you run make it checks for the command
22:35:04	Bagder	if it isn't found, it makes that 'fake' thing
22:35:18	elinenbe	what is the uclpack command?
22:35:37	elinenbe	do I do that like "export UCLPACK=blah blah"
22:36:01	Bagder	no, just make sure the command is in your path
22:36:06	Zagor	it's a tool, like gcc
22:37:09	Bagder	http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/ucl/
22:37:49	Atrack	is sound for the vid files possible?
22:38:27	elinenbe	Bagder: thanks.
22:38:31	[IDC]Dragon	working on it...
22:38:44	Atrack	really?
22:39:12	[IDC]Dragon	have I ever lied her?
22:39:28	Atrack	just didnt' think it was posisble
22:39:36	uski	can someone remember me how to set the hold mode (keylock) ? with the lastest just loaded bleeding edge (yea i like to be a beta tester ;))
22:40:03	Atrack	uski i think lock is ON and down
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22:40:32	elinenbe	can I take the uclpack from the flash archive on [IDC]Dragon's page?
22:40:57	[IDC]Dragon	for Win32 or Cygwin, yes.
22:41:17	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: what is your page again? <grin>
22:41:30	uski	Atrack: nah, it changes the pitch
22:41:42	Atrack	sorry uski
22:41:45	Atrack	I think its F1 and down
22:41:45	[IDC]Dragon	see the rockbox flash page
22:41:58	uski	ok it is F1 down :)
22:42:00	uski	yea
22:42:03	uski	ty ;)
22:42:08	uski	gtg (sleeep)
22:42:11	uski	see you
22:42:18	uski	[IDC]Dragon: want me to test a free format mp3 ?
22:42:22	uski	i can do it now
22:42:34	uski	with a weird bitrate, say 173kbps
22:42:39	Zagor	uski: i'm pretty sure it doesn't work. "free format" is not mp3.
22:42:42	Atrack	your welcome uski
22:42:54		Quit oxygen77 ("ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/7]")
22:42:55	Atrack	Zagor there is a freeware MP3 ripper
22:43:10	uski	Zagor: hmm, i want to try, just to "hear it"
22:43:10	[IDC]Dragon	free format doesn't mean a wild bitrate
22:43:35	Zagor	Atrack: we're not talking about that "free". we mean mp3 data with the wrong number of samples per frame.
22:43:45	Atrack	oh right
22:43:45	Zagor	uski: feel free to try
22:43:52	Atrack	perhaps 173kbs is a vbr file
22:44:05	Atrack	some of my vbr files show around that bitrate
22:44:17	Zagor	uski: which program makes "free format" mp3 data?
22:44:19	[IDC]Dragon	not wrong # of samples, just a free number of bits
22:44:32	uski	Encoding as 44.1 kHz 173 kbps j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (8.2x) qval=2
22:44:40	uski	moohaha, in some secs i will upload it to my archos
22:44:49	Zagor	uski: that's not free format. it's just vbr.
22:45:00	uski	lame −−freeformat -b 173 ED.mp3
22:45:00	uski	LAME version 3.93 (http://www.mp3dev.org/)
22:45:00	uski	Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz
22:45:00	DBUG	Enqueued KICK uski
22:45:00	uski	Warning: many decoders cannot handle free format bitstreams
22:45:00	uski	Encoding ED.mp3 to ED.mp3.mp3
22:45:01	***	Alert Mode level 1
22:45:01	uski	Encoding as 44.1 kHz 173 kbps j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (8.2x) qval=2
22:45:08	Atrack	??
22:45:19	uski	Atrack: freeformat is a special mp3 format.
22:45:25	uski	(short explanation)
22:45:27	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: ok, then i still don't understand. you mean a number of bits that doesn't match the frame header? that would be garbage!?
22:45:28	Atrack	ok
22:45:46	Zagor	i'll man lame then
22:46:05	[IDC]Dragon	from what I learned, the size of the frame is "free"
22:46:15	uski	LOL
22:46:17	uski	it works
22:46:22	uski	BUT rockbox displays a wrong bitrate
22:46:24	uski	bugfix alert ;)
22:46:34	uski	rockbox says "24kbps"
22:46:41	[IDC]Dragon	it still results to a certain # of samples
22:46:47	uski	my hear says that the quality is better ;)
22:47:35	uski	hmm i found another bug: my screen is hung displaying "mute is off" and the keys doesn't work anymore
22:47:41	Atrack	even 5% on vbr sounds pretty good
22:47:47	Atrack	done on musicmatch
22:47:56	diddystar5	musicmatch....
22:48:02	uski	also i think that the buffer isn't handled correctly, probably because of the wrong bitrate calculation, wait some minutes for confirmation
22:48:02	diddystar5	who knows what 5% menas
22:48:05	diddystar5	*means
22:48:31	Zagor	ah, ok "free format" is actually defined in our mpeg header docs:
22:48:38	Atrack	5% is very low quality
22:48:48	Atrack	file sizes around 2-3mb
22:48:51	uski	Atrack: 5% doesn't mean anything :\
22:48:54	Zagor	""free" means free format. If the correct fixed bitrate (such files cannot use variable bitrate) is different than those presented in upper table it must be determined by the application. This may be implemented only for internal purposes since third party applications have no means to find out correct bitrate. Howewer, this is not impossible to do but demands lot's of efforts. "bad" means that this is not an allowed value"
22:49:07	uski	hmmm ok, there is also a bug with the buffer. (buffer underrun)
22:49:24	Bagder	uski: that's due to the missed bitrate
22:49:27	Zagor	uski: not a bug. see above: "no means to find out correct bitrate"
22:49:41	Zagor	well, ok it's a bug but it's very hard to "fix"
22:49:50	uski	right; but a good thing would be to show "??" as the bitrate and also fix this buffer underrun
22:50:02	Zagor	since you've explicitly chosen to leave out that information...
22:50:05	uski	i don't think it is hard to fix the buffer underrun
22:50:13	uski	yea i understood
22:50:13	Bagder	the only sensible thing, you be to add a vbr header on such an mp3
22:50:20	Bagder	would be
22:50:22	uski	grrr my screen and my keys are locked
22:50:32	Atrack	how can a bitrate be missed?
22:50:41	Zagor	Bagder: or we could treat free format data as 320kbps and buffer accordingly
22:50:48	Bagder	Zagor: true
22:50:55	Bagder	it would prevent the underrun
22:50:56	uski	Freeformat can be up to 640kbps
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22:51:04	Atrack	hi diddy
22:51:08		Quit diddystar5 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:51:09	uski	(ok, it would be stupid to encode at a that high bitrate)
22:51:20	Atrack	yea uski
22:51:24	Atrack	very big file sizes
22:51:26	uski	ooo i found a bug and a way to reproduce it
22:51:43	uski	it would be better to use a lossless compression
22:51:59	uski	my bug, press F1/Play, and then relax the buttons, then press again immediatly F1/Play
22:52:07	Atrack	yea but the archos cant' read lossless compression
22:52:10	uski	=> impossible to control the archos anymore, you have to shut it down and start it again
22:52:32	uski	Atrack: right but... i don't think you can hear the difference between a 320kbps and a 640kbps file
22:52:38	uski	even a 192kbps perhaps..
22:53:00	Atrack	who said mp3 can do 640kbs?
22:53:08	Atrack	it can only go up to 320kbs
22:53:19	uski	Zagor, Badger: can't you see how much bytes there are in the buffer, and calculate the number of chunks that goes to the decoder each second ?
22:53:31	uski	this way you could calculate when to buffer some data from the hard drive, no ?
22:53:43	Zagor	uski: it's not safe, since the speed can be variable
22:53:59	uski	yesd but the MAS will ask data faster then
22:54:11	uski	so simply recalculate on the fly, it is not a cpu consuming operation
22:54:31	Zagor	exactly. and that faster request happens at the end of the buffer, it will run out before we have a chance to refill it
22:54:35	Zagor	if
22:54:57	uski	...i suppose you have some reserve in the buffer
22:55:02	***	Alert Mode OFF
22:55:33	Zagor	free format is a silly thing anyway. 320kbit is the best way to handle it.
22:55:37	uski	hmm
22:55:40	uski	i think you're right
22:55:47	uski	also, nobody will use freeformat mp3
22:55:54	[IDC]Dragon	Sorry to have raised this
22:56:00	uski	[IDC]Dragon: ? ;)
22:56:03	uski	you were right
22:56:04		Nick diddystar5_ is now known as diddystar5 (Lee@ACC5BFCD.ipt.aol.com)
22:56:05	uski	we found a bug
22:56:08	Atrack	Zagor, Bagder since when mp3 could do 640kbs?
22:56:08	uski	and it will be fixed
22:56:17	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: no worries. i think we should handle it, just not add a lot of extra code to do it.
22:56:20	Bagder	Atrack: read the specs
22:56:53	uski	also, look at "my" "mute screen" bug, when you have some time ;)
22:56:56	uski	see you all !
22:57:02	[IDC]Dragon	I was thinking about a way to model data consumption of an mp3 stream
22:57:04	Bagder	uski: file it in the bug tracker
22:57:06	diddystar5	bye uski
22:57:11	uski	(i can't say "good evening" because we are all in different timezones)
22:57:13	[IDC]Dragon	fixed and vbr are no problem,
22:57:13	uski	++
22:57:21	[IDC]Dragon	but this free format is.
22:57:31	Atrack	seriously bagder, i thought mp3 only goes up to 320kbs. not 640kbs
22:57:42	[IDC]Dragon	I need to know for my A/V multiplex format
22:58:04	Zagor	Atrack: the spec only goes up to 320, but you can squeeze more in using free format
22:58:05	[IDC]Dragon	to tell when the audio data is necessary
22:58:17	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: ah, right
22:58:30	Atrack	ok
22:58:39	diddystar5	i was thinking about noise reduction
22:58:41	Atrack	doubt if the 2mb buffer can handle the stream
22:58:51	diddystar5	and archos
22:58:56	Atrack	the HD would spin up every 20 seconds
22:59:03	Atrack	huge battery drain
22:59:10	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: i don't think you should support free format. it's not worth it for the 5 people in the world who have ever tried it, and then just for fun ;)
22:59:24	diddystar5	can we pick up what current frequencies are currently heard using the mic?
22:59:28	[IDC]Dragon	No, I can't and won't
22:59:49	Atrack	Zagor it says in the specs it plays back 32-320kbs
22:59:50	Atrack	not higher
23:00
23:00:05	Zagor	as i said
23:00:31	Atrack	the manual is well out of date
23:02:39	Atrack	perhaps I should update it now I have Adobe Acrobat
23:02:40	Atrack	:-)
23:03:56	Atrack	seriously
23:04:03		Join baz_ [0] (~baz@modem-3488.llama.dialup.pol.co.uk)
23:04:32	Atrack	one way of contributing
23:04:44	Zagor	the manual was rewritten about a month ago. i suggest you submit suggestions and corrections to those who wrote it.
23:04:53	Atrack	oh ok
23:05:06	Atrack	its just that wiv the bleeding edges new features keep coming in
23:08:50	Atrack	upside mode is pretty cool
23:08:52	Atrack	upside down mode
23:09:37	[IDC]Dragon	thanks
23:10:00	Atrack	was that your patch dragon?
23:10:21	[IDC]Dragon	commit, not patch ;)
23:10:50	Atrack	ok
23:10:51	Atrack	:D
23:10:59	Atrack	Not sure what you would use it for though
23:11:07	Atrack	as the headphone socket would be on the wrong end
23:11:30	[IDC]Dragon	depend which way you hold it
23:11:34	[IDC]Dragon	depends
23:11:48	Atrack	yea
23:11:56	[IDC]Dragon	it it's in a pocket, you reach in from the top
23:11:57	Atrack	seems like the Player never gets a look-in anymore
23:12:00	Atrack	ok
23:12:09	[IDC]Dragon	look-in?
23:12:31	Atrack	i mean, no-one mentions the Player anymore
23:12:51	[IDC]Dragon	I will get one in a few weeks
23:12:58	Atrack	does anyone here have a Player?
23:13:00	[IDC]Dragon	to try flashing it
23:13:08	Atrack	bagder, zagor, anyone?
23:13:21	Bagder	I never had one
23:13:33	Bagder	and my recorder is broken atm :-/
23:13:44	Atrack	how did u break your recorder?
23:13:48	[IDC]Dragon	oh, why?
23:13:56	Zagor	i have a player
23:13:57	Bagder	that fun "hd reg error" thing
23:14:06	Atrack	oh ok
23:14:13	Bagder	the disk just don't spin up
23:14:26	Atrack	My archos is showing its age now
23:14:29	Atrack	though it still works
23:14:30	Bagder	I'll have zagor help me diagnose it
23:14:40	Atrack	yea
23:15:04	Atrack	Ive only had that red led problem occur to me once or twice
23:17:48	elinenbe	does Rockbox work on the Neo in it's current state, and what is up with the Neo developers with the GPL stuff?
23:18:19	Bagder	elinenbe: it does not yet work on the Neo
23:18:30	elinenbe	Bagder: what else needs to be done?
23:18:33	Bagder	... and the Open Neo sources now have our headers/copyright texts back
23:18:54	Bagder	elinenbe: we need some Neo-specific startup code to start with
23:19:01	Atrack	Has Archos ever thought about contacting you lot for the firmware?
23:19:24	Bagder	or rather, we need to merge it, since the code is there to read
23:20:29	Bagder	Atrack: you want us to answer what Archos ever thought?
23:20:35		Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- I use it, so it must be good!")
23:20:48	Atrack	yea
23:20:53	Atrack	Seriously what did archos think?
23:21:06	Bagder	They once thought "I should eat more bagettes for lunch" ;-)
23:21:13	Atrack	lol
23:21:27	Atrack	I held the Gmini once
23:24:26	Atrack	talk about razorblade marketing
23:24:39	Atrack	with the downloadable plugins you need to access recording and the like
23:29:20		Quit diddystar5 ("Leaving")
23:35:10	[IDC]Dragon	Zagor: you that you have a player, can you try if the bleeding edge build still plays music on it, please?
23:35:48	Zagor	ok
23:36:07	Zagor	in a minute
23:36:19	[IDC]Dragon	shure, take your time
23:48:45	[IDC]Dragon	Zagor: do you mind if I implement the plugin function mp3_get_buffer()?
23:50:54	elinenbe	how do I create a patch from the current CVS? I think I forgot :D
23:51:26	Bagder	edit the file, 'cvs diff -u file > file.patch'
23:52:18	elinenbe	Bagder: thanks so much.
23:52:29	elinenbe	I've been away too long.
23:53:16		Quit earHertz ("ChatZilla 0.9.54b [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007]")
23:56:12	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: I was wondering if you could create grayscale functions that could be used in plugins, or would that be impossible with the methods use are using? It would be great to make a game grayscale

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