#rockbox 2004-01-07

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#rockbox log for 2004-01-07

00:04:58	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:09:16		Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Be18b.b.pppool.de)
00:09:54	kurzhaarrocker	Zagor: still wading through xmas mail?
00:10:03	Zagor	no, i'm finished now actually
00:11:23	kurzhaarrocker	That's good: Now you may program a routine for me that truncates a file at the head. :)
00:11:43		Join midknight2k3 [0] (zakk@ACC74D07.ipt.aol.com)
00:11:56	midknight2k3	hi.
00:12:00	kurzhaarrocker	Hi
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00:14:54	Zagor	kurzhaarrocker: uuuh, not quite finished actually ;-P
00:15:44	kurzhaarrocker	Dragon: I haven't looked very deeply into that mp3_playback - Is there support for a sidechain already? I don't see anything like that at first glance. :)
00:15:45	kurzhaarrocker	Zagor: seems I must dig into the filesystem somewhen. Maybe in the summer...
00:16:29	Zagor	kurzhaarrocker: actually, a quick workaround is to open a file for writing and then close it. that will truncate it.
00:16:58	kurzhaarrocker	completely I guess?
00:16:58	Zagor	it's not hard to att a real api either
00:17:06	Zagor	at the point you are
00:18:10	kurzhaarrocker	Maybe I didn't express myself clearly: I crave for a functionality where I can truncate the head of the file, keep the tail and prepend one or a few clusters.
00:18:31	Zagor	ohh... right.
00:18:38	kurzhaarrocker	In the end I want to split an mp3 file, prepend a header and fill the odd space with garbage.
00:19:02	Zagor	i don't know a single operating system where that is possible :)
00:19:33	kurzhaarrocker	But it would suit the need of a portable mp3 player fine. So why not make an exception and extend it.
00:20:48	Zagor	i guess you're not happy with having to split on even sector boundaries, right?
00:21:32	kurzhaarrocker	I guess compromisses must be made. And if even sectors make things much easier - why not.
00:22:11	Zagor	so you basically want two functions, am i right? splitfile and joinfile?
00:22:20	kurzhaarrocker	That would be great.
00:22:33	kurzhaarrocker	Just because I tend to mix these things up: one cluster = many sectors?
00:22:34	Zagor	shouldn't be very difficult
00:22:39	Zagor	yes
00:22:59	Zagor	uh, right. i mean split on even clusters even...
00:23:18	kurzhaarrocker	How much data does a cluster contain?
00:23:31	Zagor	from 1 to 128 sectors (of 512 bytes each)
00:23:39	Zagor	it is decided when formatting
00:25:03	kurzhaarrocker	hm. Is there a default value and all other values are considered exotic?
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00:25:54	Strath	ello
00:26:03	midknight2k3	afad?
00:26:04	Zagor	not really. common values are 4-32
00:28:38	kurzhaarrocker	Why are even cluster sizes less difficult? Is that due to FAT structure?
00:29:45	Zagor	yes. a file consist of a chain of clusters.
00:31:24	[IDC]Dragon	I give up waiting for Linus, sent him a lengthy email instead.
00:31:37	[IDC]Dragon	goodnight!
00:31:43	kurzhaarrocker	sleep tight!
00:31:44	Zagor	night!
00:31:46		Quit [IDC]Dragon ()
00:32:05	midknight2k3	zagor
00:32:09	midknight2k3	i have an idea
00:32:15	midknight2k3	what about a starfield demo?
00:32:24	midknight2k3	black lcd with pixels flying by
00:32:26	Zagor	go ahead
00:32:28	Zagor	have fun
00:32:43	midknight2k3	i could try
00:32:52	midknight2k3	hey
00:32:57	midknight2k3	that sounds pretty easy
00:33:44		Quit _aLF ("bye")
00:35:54	Atrack	hi mid
00:36:06	midknight2k3	hi track
00:36:09	midknight2k3	how about a starfield
00:36:13	Atrack	sounds good
00:36:20	Atrack	what about a marquee demo?
00:36:30	midknight2k3	but what to marquee?
00:36:35	midknight2k3	i guess you coud input text
00:36:41	midknight2k3	via the on screen keyboard
00:36:42	kurzhaarrocker	I must get rid of the latency of the recording trigger. One thing I'll try is a callback when the trigger state changes. But there's another thing that I'm troubled with: When I call mpeg_record there just an event is put into the queue. Is it good style to call yield afterwards to give the mpeg queue an opportuinity to empty?
00:36:43	Atrack	yes
00:36:43	midknight2k3	that'd be cool
00:38:10	midknight2k3	ok
00:38:14	*	midknight2k3 breaks out the code machine
00:38:21	Zagor	kurzhaarrocker: as code police, i would not complain about that :) we actually do this in the pause-fade code.
00:39:10	kurzhaarrocker	Is it usually possible that serveral events are waiting in the queue?
00:39:40	Zagor	unlikely in the case of the mpeg thread
00:39:59	kurzhaarrocker	that's what I thought. I'll try that way then.
00:41:07		Quit schinder ("Disconnecting")
00:41:20	hardeep	multiple events are possible in mpeg queue if data is being loaded from disk
00:41:30	hardeep	load and swap events might be waiting in queue
00:41:56	Zagor	right. this is noticeable when you press pause while the buffer is being filled.
00:42:10	*	kurzhaarrocker searches for functions to investigate the queue state.
00:42:31	midknight2k3	yes
00:42:34	midknight2k3	it restarts
00:42:41	Zagor	kurzhaarrocker: i don't think we have any
00:44:27	kurzhaarrocker	Before I start adding that I should try wether this approach will work at all.
00:47:20	kurzhaarrocker	I'll be off for the night. See you
00:47:29	midknight2k3	nite
00:47:41	kurzhaarrocker	(and thanks for the help to all)
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01:14:08		Nick BC\|bbl is now known as Bluechip (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
01:18:37	midknight2k3	yo bc
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01:20:49	Bluechip	yi
01:21:41	arspy87	Bluechip yo :)
01:21:51	Bluechip	hey ho
01:22:30	Bluechip	will sourceforge EVER sort out their search engine?
01:23:08	midknight2k3	no
01:28:34	arspy87	BC i drove over my flash mp3 player today
01:28:52	Bluechip	oh!
01:29:04	Strath	timex?
01:29:04	Bluechip	as an excuse to buy a archos?
01:29:18	midknight2k3	FLASH player
01:29:21	midknight2k3	not his karma
01:29:28	midknight2k3	bc: help
01:29:38	arspy87	lol it was an accident
01:29:45	Strath	not his dogma eith then ;)
01:29:48	Bluechip	mk: swap you ...how do i design a font?
01:29:49	arspy87	but i do have enough money to get an archos now
01:30:00	midknight2k3	bC: you asked before
01:30:00	midknight2k3	lol
01:30:05	midknight2k3	i memorized the link
01:30:11	midknight2k3	http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts
01:30:17	Bluechip	mk: and you still didn't find one for me yet - lol
01:30:41	Strath	midi: just curious, how old are you? :)
01:30:50	midknight2k3	?
01:31:12	midknight2k3	strath: 13
01:31:17	Strath	ok...
01:31:35	Bluechip	i need a full cygwin install to use pfaedit
01:32:01	midknight2k3	then get it?
01:32:18	midknight2k3	ok fine
01:32:21	midknight2k3	i'll look
01:32:23	Bluechip	oh for the drive space
01:32:29	midknight2k3	how
01:32:31	midknight2k3	er
01:32:35	midknight2k3	how'd you do the font in Othelo
01:32:39	midknight2k3	drawlines?
01:32:48	Bluechip	take a butchers at the source
01:32:55	midknight2k3	was gonna
01:33:03	Bluechip	its pretty obvious :)
01:33:40	midknight2k3	oh lol
01:33:49	midknight2k3	wow
01:33:52	midknight2k3	how did..
01:33:53	midknight2k3	its...
01:34:04	midknight2k3	cool
01:34:08	midknight2k3	i didnt know you could do that
01:34:27	Bluechip	i learn a lot by reading other peoples code :D
01:34:47	Bluechip	I have sprite rotation algorithms etc here
01:36:13	midknight2k3	Bluechip: http://www.fontlab.com/html/fonmaker.html
01:36:19	midknight2k3	how does that work?
01:36:30	Bluechip	i presume I just click on it?
01:36:38	midknight2k3	it's a link...
01:37:13	midknight2k3	oops
01:37:19	midknight2k3	it's also expensive
01:37:20	midknight2k3	lol
01:39:21	Zagor	i'm off. bye.
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01:40:46	midknight2k3	well wait bc
01:40:52	midknight2k3	why do you need a full cygwin
01:40:58	midknight2k3	to compile pfaedit?
01:41:08	Bluechip	did you follow the links?
01:41:21	midknight2k3	what links
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01:42:13	Bluechip	from the bottom of the rockbox page
01:42:25	midknight2k3	yes
01:42:35	midknight2k3	You will need the base components and the X window system
01:42:50	Bluechip	nods
01:43:23	midknight2k3	ok nm
01:43:32	midknight2k3	thats like the only one tht does it
01:43:36	midknight2k3	unless...
01:43:54	midknight2k3	nope
01:43:56	midknight2k3	that's it
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01:46:08	Bluechip	fonmaker appears to have no editer in it!
01:46:24	midknight2k3	it also appears to be $100
01:48:23	Bluechip	bah - hang it, the irony is that afaik I am the oNLY person who does not want font support! LOL
01:48:50	midknight2k3	afad?
01:51:34	midknight2k3	GRR
01:51:38	midknight2k3	this isnt working
01:51:47	midknight2k3	why cant i just do a simple drawpixel
01:52:03	Bluechip	lcd_update()
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01:52:17	midknight2k3	it gives an error on target
01:52:20	midknight2k3	plugin returned error
01:52:24	midknight2k3	hi jet
01:53:40	midknight2k3	god gr
01:59:53	Bluechip	hey mk, you've got a creative mind ...gimme some ideas for the advance MDB screen?
01:59:55	Bluechip	:)
02:00
02:01:26	midknight2k3	i do indeed have a creative mind
02:01:35	midknight2k3	i thought up some neat ideas earlier
02:01:47	Bluechip	now then ...do you have a good memory?
02:02:13	midknight2k3	i think not
02:02:50	Bluechip	lol - you should learn how to apply a pencil to that problem
02:03:14	midknight2k3	i'll think abouts it bc
02:03:43	midknight2k3	ok hrm
02:03:44	midknight2k3	well
02:04:32	midknight2k3	what'll the options be?
02:04:45	Bluechip	the 4 usual ones
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02:05:09	midknight2k3	strength, harmonics, frequency, on/off?
02:05:29	Bluechip	corner/shape
02:05:45	midknight2k3	oh?
02:05:51	midknight2k3	hmm
02:05:55	midknight2k3	ok
02:06:00	midknight2k3	i'll whip up an idea or 2
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02:08:36	midknight2k3	lol
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02:10:53	midknight2k3	eew
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02:10:56	midknight2k3	more trillcrap
02:11:26	Bluechip	oh yeah, I forgot about that being one of your buttons ...thanks for the reminder ;)
02:12:18	midknight2k3	lol
02:13:00	arspy87	:)B:)l:)u:)e:)c:)h:)i:)p:)
02:13:24	Bluechip	LOL
02:13:35	arspy87	that was fun
02:13:42	arspy87	i have to finish writing my speech
02:14:02	Bluechip	one of the most interesting things I read today was...
02:16:41	arspy87	bluechip
02:16:50	arspy87	no trance phrases. lol jk
02:16:54	Bluechip	lol
02:17:03	arspy87	was that purposeful? haha
02:17:07	Bluechip	how long did that take you?
02:17:20	arspy87	i thought you were typing whatever you read so i was waiting
02:17:25	midknight2k3	me too
02:17:48	midknight2k3	bc
02:17:55	midknight2k3	what options will there be fore the "shape"?
02:18:00	*	Bluechip apologises throught fits of giggles
02:18:06	arspy87	well I think the BIGGEST clue is.... lmao
02:18:06	arspy87	HA
02:19:44	arspy87	well, you know, there was an excellent article in the paper i read yesterday,
02:20:09	Bluechip	by jove i think he's got it
02:20:18	arspy87	LOL
02:21:53	arspy87	the most interesting thing i read in the paper was...
02:22:27	arspy87	wow i actually had something to say before but now i forget
02:22:31	arspy87	i tranced myself.
02:22:50	Bluechip	lol - cool innit?
02:23:05	arspy87	what's an innit?
02:23:10	Bluechip	isn't it
02:23:17	arspy87	oh
02:23:21	arspy87	lol
02:23:21	arspy87	yeah :)
02:23:35	arspy87	you know what innit means, bluechip
02:23:58	arspy87	you also know how many seconds are in a year
02:24:14	arspy87	...how many inches you walked since you got in the door
02:24:39	Bluechip	nad how many beans make 5
02:24:41	Bluechip	and
02:25:04	Bluechip	(hehhe hehehhe hehehhh he said "nads" hehhee hehhhhee heeheh)
02:25:13	arspy87	and what colors you saw when you stared out the window this morning
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02:25:23	arspy87	lol
02:25:25	Bluechip	mk what unit you got again?
02:25:37	arspy87	you know what unit he has bluechip
02:25:47	arspy87	you know what it looks like
02:26:00	arspy87	you can see the green LEDs lighting up the screen so very unevenly
02:26:01	midknight2k3	bc
02:26:10	midknight2k3	oh fm
02:26:20	midknight2k3	but bc i almost finished the layout of the screen
02:26:30	arspy87	and midk, you know what color monitor BC has
02:26:33	arspy87	and likewise he knows yours
02:26:43	midknight2k3	tehe
02:27:12	arspy87	you can see the monotone color, but look further than that
02:27:53	arspy87	you can see the tiny indistinguishable, except to YOUR eye, specks of different colors beneath the surface
02:28:31	arspy87	you can hear it, too, a quiet humming reverberating continuously
02:28:46	arspy87	feeling it vibrate on your hand as you lay it upon the rough surface
02:28:51	arspy87	ok what am i saying
02:28:53	midknight2k3	stfu as
02:29:32	arspy87	midk, look into those letters, see the negative space and what formulates from your mind
02:30:03	midknight2k3	as, look into my ignore button and see your name highlighted
02:31:23	arspy87	LMAO
02:31:29	arspy87	i'm looking at it now...
02:31:40	arspy87	i can see the exact position of it, i can pinpoint it with my finger.
02:31:56	arspy87	now you do the same, where does it appear in your mind
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02:34:27	arspy\|in-trance	there we go.
02:34:43	midknight2k3	bc
02:34:45	midknight2k3	are you there
02:34:53	Bluechip	as e'er
02:35:12	midknight2k3	what'll beh the options for "shape"
02:35:40	Bluechip	erm 50-300Hz as I recall
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02:41:05	Bluechip	...in steps of 10
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02:42:08	midknight2k3	can you tell me what you plan as ranges for all the settings?
02:42:17	midknight2k3	% for strength and harmonics right
02:42:30	midknight2k3	0-100% strength, 0-100% harmonics?
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02:42:45	Bluechip	no
02:42:51	midknight2k3	oh no lol
02:42:53	midknight2k3	tell me now
02:42:57	midknight2k3	i'll remake them parts
02:42:58	midknight2k3	its ok
02:43:03	Bluechip	take a butchers at the datasheet :)
02:43:55	midknight2k3	well when i checked it was done in %
02:44:32	Bluechip	weird - can you send me a copy of that manual, it may have other info in that I need
02:44:37	Bluechip	please
02:45:19	midknight2k3	just the patch i tried
02:45:26	midknight2k3	he must have converted it to %
02:45:30	midknight2k3	which i think is a good idea
02:46:42	Bluechip	idiot mode is done in % already :)
02:46:47	Bluechip	sorry, user mode
02:47:05	midknight2k3	lol
02:47:06	midknight2k3	fone
02:47:07	midknight2k3	fine*
02:47:13	midknight2k3	can you simply tell me the ranges
02:48:01	Bluechip	did i not send you the patch?
02:48:48	midknight2k3	no code for the mdb
02:48:57	Bluechip	full docs are in the source
02:49:27	midknight2k3	hm
02:49:29	midknight2k3	nm*
02:51:05	Bluechip	look right at the very top of the source code I sent you where there is two pages of documentation on the MAS registers
02:51:14	Bluechip	the MDB stuff is last
02:51:22	midknight2k3	sent me?
02:51:23	midknight2k3	what
02:51:23	midknight2k3	where
02:51:32	midknight2k3	i see no source code
02:51:33	midknight2k3	when
02:52:07	Bluechip	cut'n'paste time....
02:52:07	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Bluechip
02:52:07	Bluechip	[01:48] <Bluechip> did i not send you the patch?
02:52:07	Bluechip	[01:48] <midknight2k3> no code for the mdb
02:52:22	Bluechip	[01:48] <Bluechip> full docs are in the source
02:52:37	midknight2k3	i have the plugin. when i asked you just told me that there was no code yet.
02:52:52	midknight2k3	diddystar5 sent me the precompiled. that's all i have right now
02:52:55	Bluechip	ahhhh, you do NOT have the patch - riiiiiiiiight
02:53:18	Bluechip	a straight "no" would have been a fair answer
02:53:33	midknight2k3	sorry SIR, i have the .rock!
02:53:50	Bluechip	That's Dr to you!
02:54:05	Bluechip	I am NOT your dad!
02:54:14	midknight2k3	close enough
02:55:18	Bluechip	have I found another one of your buttons?
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02:55:41	midknight2k3	no
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02:58:35	midknight2k3	well
02:58:50	midknight2k3	can you send me the source or tell me the info i need to draw you up a lcd screen?
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02:59:58	midknight2k3	wait
03:00
03:00:01	midknight2k3	is this the doc?
03:00:07	midknight2k3	i dont need this it's online
03:00:18	midknight2k3	if this is the doc that's online...
03:00:21	bluechip	it is far better than the docs in my source
03:00:31	midknight2k3	i don't need docs!
03:00:36	midknight2k3	ugh
03:06:36	bluechip	no docs=no info :(
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03:07:04	midknight2k3	ok wait.
03:07:16	midknight2k3	you know what the range will be for MDB strength right?
03:08:03	bluechip	don't woory about it dude, I'll think of womthing eventually
03:08:27	midknight2k3	wait
03:08:31	midknight2k3	for the interface?
03:08:35	midknight2k3	i got something neat worked out
03:10:34	midknight2k3	bc i think youll like it
03:10:58	bluechip	frankly, if I've gotta milk it out of you I dont care
03:11:12	midknight2k3	who said that
03:11:17	midknight2k3	i'm finishing it up
03:13:14	bluechip	thought you lacked the docs to do it
03:13:27	midknight2k3	erm
03:13:30	midknight2k3	just drawing it out
03:13:36	midknight2k3	i can't really
03:13:38	midknight2k3	"do" it
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03:55:43	midknight2k3	bc i did a sketch
03:55:46	midknight2k3	if you're here
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03:58:18	midknight2k3	bluechip
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04:34:39	midknight2k3	ok who here codes.
04:34:43	midknight2k3	er wait
04:34:50	midknight2k3	I WILL DO THIS MYSELF!
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04:37:12	midknight2k3	neurose
04:37:12	Neuros	hello
04:37:47	Neuros	just have a question for ppl involved in Rockbox.
04:37:54	midknight2k3	yes?
04:38:26	Neuros	is it possible to make a better , opensource, firmware for the Neuros player?
04:39:04	midknight2k3	perhaps
04:39:09	midknight2k3	but it's doubted
04:39:19	midknight2k3	there was a discussion on the mailinglist for this
04:42:53	Neuros	what would be the difficulties?
04:43:11	midknight2k3	hang on
04:43:21	Neuros	i'm new to this, sorry, haven't had time to look throught the archives..
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04:46:23	midknight2k3	hmm
04:47:50	midknight2k3	well i don't know much about it
04:47:57	midknight2k3	as i understand it has some source released?
04:48:13	Neuros	the NSM
04:48:38	Neuros	the syncronisation manager(database tool) the PC software, not the firmware
04:51:28	midknight2k3	hmm
04:53:08	midknight2k3	well i guess you'd have to come back, sorry
04:53:33	midknight2k3	i don't know much about porting it
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09:58:27	Timbels	hello
09:58:38	Timbels	Saw your internetpage
09:58:47	Timbels	this is all about archos players>?
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10:01:21	webmind	and recorders
10:01:24	webmind	well
10:01:32	webmind	rockbox actually
10:01:32	Dogger	hi all
10:01:39	webmind	hiya
10:02:00	Timbels	webmind: yes
10:02:08	Timbels	about your great software to tweak it
10:02:08	Strath	most
10:02:21	Timbels	can i ask for a little advice?>
10:03:21	Timbels	one of my friends has an archos jukebox recorder 20 who i can buy from him. My question is: is it a decent player to buy? Can not find tomuch about it on the net
10:04:05	Dogger	think rockbox will run on it
10:04:12	Dogger	free
10:04:48	Timbels	?
10:05:01	webmind	Timbels, it is.. with rockbox atleast
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10:05:36	Timbels	hmm
10:05:48	Timbels	what should u gave for it at this time
10:05:51	Timbels	i mean the price
10:06:00	Timbels	second hand
10:06:21	webmind	no idea
10:06:26	Timbels	ok
10:06:36	Timbels	is 130 euro's to much?
10:06:49	Dogger	prolly a bit much imho
10:06:53	Timbels	for a 20 gig mp3 player
10:06:54	Dogger	although I'm no expert
10:06:59	Timbels	ok
10:06:59	Timbels	thnx
10:07:03	Timbels	but you have it?
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10:07:21	*	webmind got a player
10:07:50	Timbels	u like it webmind?
10:08:14	Timbels	plays all with good sound quality, quick forwarding, good id3 tag suport etc...?
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10:08:54	webmind	i like it
10:08:55	webmind	yes
10:08:59	Timbels	kewl
10:09:09	webmind	id3 tag.. i think that's ok
10:09:13	Timbels	yes
10:09:22	Timbels	i mean i like to see good info on the file
10:09:26	Timbels	when i play it
10:09:27	Timbels	etc
10:09:32	webmind	quality is great.. atleast with new headphones
10:09:35	Timbels	yes
10:09:46	Timbels	i will not use the ones included (its second hand) ;)
10:09:46	webmind	well dont ask em bout id3 tag.. don't really use it
10:09:52	webmind	ok
10:09:53	Timbels	ah
10:10:01	webmind	get some good sehnheisers then
10:10:08	Timbels	the only problem i noticed
10:10:18	Timbels	wel problem...not a problem but...
10:10:28	Timbels	the lcd display is a little dated right?
10:10:39	Timbels	does the menu works easy?
10:10:57	Timbels	and can you for example browse to your folders for a new song when u are playing another?
10:11:18	Timbels	btw: if you don't wanna answer all my questions just say ;)
10:11:23	Timbels	i am just exited
10:11:33	Timbels	and wanna know all about it
10:11:34	Timbels	hehe
10:12:18	Dogger	I'd look on ebay,
10:12:24	Dogger	make sure ur getting a good price
10:12:30	Dogger	or see what other players there are
10:12:33	Timbels	so 130 isn't a good price?
10:13:07	Dogger	sounds high to me yes
10:13:46	Timbels	hmm
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13:07:16	bdeb50	anyone here?
13:07:29	Dogger	yep
13:08:24	bdeb50	hi i got question about my atchos player
13:08:41	bdeb50	hope someone can help me
13:08:53	bdeb50	i got a archos jukebos stuido 20
13:09:01	bdeb50	but i wanna record with it
13:09:11	bdeb50	there is a line in on this one
13:09:15	bdeb50	is this possible?
13:10:59	bdeb50	anyone?
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17:51:13	midhaarrocker	Someone should close feature request 749157. It's in the cvs already.
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19:51:42	midhaarrocker	And I thought it was me! But with the current cvs the recorder freezes after recording with prerecording.
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19:56:50	midhaarrocker	Zagor: You are code police, does rockbox have a code detective, too?
19:57:33	Zagor	i rely heavily on snitches :)
19:58:19	midhaarrocker	Someone (probably [IDC]Dragon) broke recording. Not completely but when you stop recording with prerecording enabled and try to quit the recording screen rockbox freezes.
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20:00:08	Zagor	ouch
20:00:23	midhaarrocker	It seems that the freezing happens on mpeg_init_playback
20:00:48	Zagor	i must admit to not policing the mpeg code much. i leave that for linus.
20:01:23	midhaarrocker	I'll post to the list.
20:02:01	Zagor	do so
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20:17:11	midhaarrocker	Is there another way to have read only access to cvs without going anonymous (due to the 24h delay)?
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20:29:13	midhaarrocker	?!? What do queues use interrupts for?
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20:32:30	asdfoinawesf	hi, i just got my archos jukebox recorder V2. i was just reading through the FAQ, so does it mean that it cant play mpeg 4?
20:33:48	midhaarrocker	As far as I know the recorder V2 is merly a fm recorder without fm. -> No video.
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20:37:24	asdfoinawesf	i mean mpeg4 audio
20:37:33	asdfoinawesf	i dont think its come out yet
20:37:34	asdfoinawesf	has it?
20:37:51	asdfoinawesf	its supposed to be a lot better than mp3
20:37:59	asdfoinawesf	a lot smaller too
20:38:11	Zagor	maybe you're thinking about mp3pro
20:38:31	asdfoinawesf	i dont know
20:38:37	asdfoinawesf	i heard it called as mpeg4
20:38:49	Zagor	mpeg4 is a video codec
20:38:57	asdfoinawesf	i know
20:39:02	asdfoinawesf	thats what i was confused about
20:39:06	asdfoinawesf	oh well
20:39:39	asdfoinawesf	what are some good but cheap headphones?
20:39:50	midhaarrocker	Nevertheless the jukebox recorders only support mpeg 1 and mpeg 2 audio.
20:40:03	Zagor	asdfoinawesf: depends on your preferences
20:40:06	asdfoinawesf	i bought a sennheiser hd212pro
20:40:20	asdfoinawesf	fo $25-30
20:40:25	asdfoinawesf	USD
20:40:58	asdfoinawesf	its a closedear headphones, but for some reason ive noticed that my right ear tingles when i use closed ear headphones
20:41:17	asdfoinawesf	i hope thats not a bad sign for my right ear
20:41:34	Zagor	i prefer earplugs myself, so don't have a recommendation for that type
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20:42:05	asdfoinawesf	do open-ear headphones feel different?
20:42:46	midhaarrocker	They do. Generally I prefer open headphones besides I want to mute the environment sound.
20:43:12	asdfoinawesf	but i thought open headphones let in environmental sounds?
20:44:00	midhaarrocker	Thus I use closed headphones when I _do_ want to mute the environment sound. If there's no need for that I use open headphones.
20:44:30	asdfoinawesf	i was trying to decide between the seenheiser hd 212pro and the hd 597. hd 597 is open ear and supposed to reproduce high and mid tones better, but it's $50-60
20:44:50	asdfoinawesf	so i went for 212pro since its half the price
20:44:54	asdfoinawesf	i dont have money
20:45:44	midhaarrocker	When buying headphones there's nothing but try them. The listening preferences are to personal.
20:45:45	asdfoinawesf	i dont have any experience with buying headphones so i dont know whether or not what i bought is good
20:46:03	midhaarrocker	If you like them they're good.
20:46:08	asdfoinawesf	i ordered them from amazon.com because the reviews were good
20:46:22	asdfoinawesf	i usually use the headphones that comes with the portable audio device
20:46:39	asdfoinawesf	what did you do with the one that came with the jukebox?
20:46:43	midhaarrocker	Not a good advice with the archos devices though :)
20:47:17	midhaarrocker	I soldered the volume dial of it to my real earbuds :)
20:47:38	asdfoinawesf	oh
20:47:55	asdfoinawesf	hm....
20:48:28	asdfoinawesf	does that save battery since you dont have to change the volume from the jukebox?
20:48:54	midhaarrocker	I rather think it wastes energy but it's a convenient volume control.
20:50:24	asdfoinawesf	have you noticed that the midtones are a little low?
20:51:05	asdfoinawesf	maybe its just because of my headphones, but i can fix it with the equilizer on my computer when i plug my headphones into it. but i guess an equlizer isnt possible with the jukebox
20:51:10	midhaarrocker	The volume dial doesn't affect the mid tones noticably.
20:51:36	midhaarrocker	The jukebox has quite a lot of sound controls.
20:52:19	asdfoinawesf	how do i increase midtones while keeping the hightones the same?
20:52:29	midhaarrocker	lower the bass
20:52:58	asdfoinawesf	ok, ill try that
20:53:48	midhaarrocker	If you want to have more midtones and bass and treble are your only controls you have to lower them.
20:54:15	asdfoinawesf	ok
20:55:00	asdfoinawesf	is it better to flash the rom with the rockbox os?
20:55:23	asdfoinawesf	would it void the warranty?
20:56:23	midhaarrocker	Probably, but I don't really now since I don't care about that.
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20:58:21	midhaarrocker	But I remember that recently someone reported that a service center denied to repair somethin on warranty because of "experimental firmware" or somethint similar.
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21:02:16	asdfoinawesf	oh
21:02:52	midhaarrocker	http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20031220.txt and search for "experimental" in it
21:05:19	asdfoinawesf	do i send my jukebox back to amazon.com for warranty service, or do i send it to archos?
21:06:51	midhaarrocker	I'd try with amazon first.
21:07:04	asdfoinawesf	ok
21:07:28	midhaarrocker	Is it broken already?
21:07:42	asdfoinawesf	no, just wondering what to do if it breaks
21:08:09	asdfoinawesf	i bought mine dec31st with a $50 rebate
21:08:16	asdfoinawesf	$150 after rebate
21:10:56	asdfoinawesf	i was thinking about the rio karma 20gb jukebox. its half the size as the archos jukebox and half the weight, but its also $220
21:11:47	asdfoinawesf	sometimes i think i try to save too much money
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21:15:22	midhaarrocker	I'm off. See you.
21:15:27	asdfoinawesf	bye
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22:00:23	Dogger	hey anyone alive that knows about irc?
22:00:55	Zagor	i know a bit
22:02:08	Dogger	how do I get ops again on my channel?
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22:02:15	Dogger	the server went down I believe
22:02:18	Dogger	and so I lost them
22:02:26	Dogger	I registered the channel, and a nick
22:03:03	Zagor	identify yourself with chanserv and then ask it to op you
22:03:34	Dogger	ah ok yeah that rings a bell.... thanks
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22:32:14	Guest57	hi all
22:32:50	Guest57	could some one say me where I could get the daily build image that could be flashed ? like previously
22:33:58	[IDC]Dragon	on the daily build page.
22:34:15	[IDC]Dragon	the 6th has been removed
22:34:27	[IDC]Dragon	because it crashes on startup
22:34:34	[IDC]Dragon	7th should be OK
22:34:34	Guest57	heu
22:34:54	[IDC]Dragon	(except for prerecording)
22:35:01	[IDC]Dragon	I recommend the 5th
22:35:27	Guest57	I do not undersstand
22:35:44	[IDC]Dragon	since the we went downhill
22:35:50	[IDC]Dragon	since then
22:35:52	Guest57	I go to the dailwbuiold page and I could not see the Falshable firmware
22:36:26	[IDC]Dragon	the .ucl is in the .rockbox dir of the zip
22:36:35	Guest57	OK thanks
22:37:07	Guest57	so you adivce the 5th jan 2004 version
22:37:12	[IDC]Dragon	yes
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23:18:38	quelsaruk	ummm
23:19:06	quelsaruk	Zagor: don't kill me for what i'm going to say
23:19:20	quelsaruk	i have a problem with windows
23:19:23	quelsaruk	:D
23:19:55	asdfoinawesf	i just got a jukebox recorder v2 and copied the rockbox os onto the root. for some reason, deep discharge and trickle charge are not in the system configuration. how come?
23:20:12	Zagor	quelsaruk: is it ok if i just ignore you? :)
23:20:14	quelsaruk	hte computer doesn't want to boot. More exactly... begins booting windows, but not even shows the "loading..." screen. Any idea on how to repair it without re-instalation??
23:20:38	Zagor	asdfoinawesf: on v2 recorders the charging is not controller by software
23:20:47	asdfoinawesf	oh
23:21:01	asdfoinawesf	ok, so how does it work?
23:21:11	asdfoinawesf	i mean if i plug it in for a long time
23:21:35	Zagor	asdfoinawesf: it's handled by a special charging controller chip. it should be safe to keep it plug in afaik
23:21:52	asdfoinawesf	because im an archie major, and i sit at my studio table for 15 hours from 10pm to 1pm
23:22:02	Zagor	quelsaruk: if it doesn't show loading, how do you mean it beings booting windows?
23:22:27	Zagor	asdfoinawesf: if archos doesn't say anything else in the manual, i'd say it's safe to keep it connected
23:22:37	quelsaruk	because if not, i should see a "non system disk, replace it, blablabla.."
23:23:08	quelsaruk	(if i change in bios primary HD i see that as i don't have any o.s. there)
23:23:33	asdfoinawesf	its not booting or what?
23:24:06	quelsaruk	asdfoinawesf: it's not booting (typical in me, btw)
23:24:26	asdfoinawesf	so is it like a blank black screen?
23:24:30	asdfoinawesf	when you turn on the computer?
23:24:59	asdfoinawesf	or does the windows logo show and then nothing happens?
23:26:26	asdfoinawesf	Zagor: what are some good headphones?
23:26:58	asdfoinawesf	cheap ones though
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23:28:22	quelsaruk	asdfoinawesf: doesn't show the logo, but the computer boots perfectly
23:28:43	quelsaruk	asdfoinawesf: the senheisser mx500
23:28:52	Zagor	asdfoinawesf: i like the sony ex-70
23:28:53	quelsaruk	just 18 Euros, and very good :)
23:29:13	asdfoinawesf	i bought the hd-212pro with my jukebox a week ago
23:29:27	asdfoinawesf	$25USD after $5 rebate
23:29:48	asdfoinawesf	i dont really know anything about buying headphones though, so i dont know how good mine is
23:29:57	asdfoinawesf	should i have gotten something better?
23:30:14	quelsaruk	bitrate of your mp3??
23:30:39	quelsaruk	you'll need good earphones with well riped mp3's
23:31:14	asdfoinawesf	128 and 192
23:31:22	asdfoinawesf	and 160
23:31:31	quelsaruk	(i rip in vbr with lame's −−preset standard and i hear the difference with one or other earphones)
23:31:51	asdfoinawesf	how is the hd-597
23:31:55	quelsaruk	with 192 you can notice any difference, with 128.. i'm not sure :)
23:32:07	quelsaruk	don't know, haven't used them.
23:32:11	quelsaruk	i can ask
23:32:47	asdfoinawesf	are sennheiser usually good?
23:33:30	quelsaruk	yes
23:33:33	asdfoinawesf	oh well, ill just try the ones i bought and then decide if i want something else
23:33:48	quelsaruk	i think those should be good enough
23:33:51	asdfoinawesf	so tell me what happens when you turn on your computer?
23:34:14	asdfoinawesf	whats wrong with it? im a little confused
23:34:22	quelsaruk	the computer boots, but when start loading windows, it apears a blank screen, not the windows logo
23:34:36	asdfoinawesf	does it say anything?
23:34:46	quelsaruk	i'm sure it's booting up the o.s. but don't know why
23:34:51	quelsaruk	it does not say anything
23:35:22	asdfoinawesf	it finishes memory check?
23:36:00	quelsaruk	yes
23:36:14	asdfoinawesf	i dont know then
23:36:20	asdfoinawesf	did you partition your hard drive?
23:37:02	quelsaruk	i used a bios feature that let me change the primary hd between the ata one and the serial ata, and with the ATA one it boots perfectly, but with the SATA, hangs on windows boot
23:37:30	quelsaruk	asdfoinawesf: i was working, rebooted it and got that strange issue :(
23:38:02	asdfoinawesf	so you have an OS on the sata?
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23:38:26	asdfoinawesf	what if you unplugged the ata when you try to boot with sata?
23:39:01	quelsaruk	hi midhaarrocker
23:39:03	asdfoinawesf	im not very good with OS problems
23:39:19	quelsaruk	asdfoinawesf: i have an o.s on the sata too
23:39:53	midhaarrocker	quelsaruk hi!
23:40:14	asdfoinawesf	maybe your computer is confused between the 2 hard drives
23:40:28	quelsaruk	i can boot with the sata, or even re-install windows, but wanted to save all the stuff i've already have there, programs and so on
23:40:56	asdfoinawesf	why do you have 2 OS?
23:41:04	midhaarrocker	grmpf! I missed Linus :(
23:41:17	asdfoinawesf	try partition magic 8.0
23:41:33	asdfoinawesf	it lets you select which operating system to boot from
23:41:35	quelsaruk	asdfoinawesf: really hard to explain ;)
23:41:37	midhaarrocker	and [IDC]Dragon too.
23:41:48	asdfoinawesf	it has an additional program called boot magic
23:41:57	quelsaruk	doesn't matter, i'll re-install everything
23:42:06	asdfoinawesf	you select which operating system to boot from
23:42:08	quelsaruk	anyway, i have to re-install linux too :D
23:42:16	quelsaruk	asdfoinawesf: i prefer lilo :P
23:42:32	asdfoinawesf	ok
23:43:22	asdfoinawesf	has anyone tried jogging with the jukebox?
23:43:27	asdfoinawesf	does it skip?
23:43:34	quelsaruk	doesn't skip
23:43:35	quelsaruk	:)
23:43:42	quelsaruk	at least mine didn't skip
23:43:46	asdfoinawesf	is it too heavy to jog with in your pocket?
23:44:08	asdfoinawesf	im afraid that it will pull down my pants
23:45:02	quelsaruk	depends on which pants :P
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23:45:16	midknight2k3	hi all
23:45:17	midknight2k3	hi zagor
23:45:20	midknight2k3	hi bluechip
23:45:24	quelsaruk	hi midhaarrocker
23:45:28	quelsaruk	midknight2k3:
23:45:30	quelsaruk	:)
23:45:38	*	midhaarrocker bows
23:45:43	midknight2k3	hey! who stole my name
23:46:04	asdfoinawesf	are most people here from europe?
23:46:11	quelsaruk	yups
23:46:13	midknight2k3	hi quelsaruk
23:46:23	asdfoinawesf	oh
23:46:25	asdfoinawesf	im from chicago
23:46:30	quelsaruk	the old europe.....
23:46:33	midhaarrocker	asdfoinawesf: depends on the daytime.
23:47:11	midhaarrocker	It's around midnight here -> I'll be off to catch some sleep.
23:47:40	midhaarrocker	quelsaruk: portugal is old europe too?
23:47:45	quelsaruk	umm
23:48:22	quelsaruk	midhaarrocker: why not? was part of Spain in the old times ;) And we ruled the world :P
23:48:33	midhaarrocker	probably depends on their attitude to the iraq war...
23:48:34	quelsaruk	your country was part of spain btw :P
23:48:53	quelsaruk	they have many problems here to think about irak
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23:50:53	midhaarrocker	I'll have some sleep. See you.
23:51:10	quelsaruk	cu!
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