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#rockbox log for 2004-01-15

00:00:36trackjZagor now we know the lcd can do greyscale, is there a posibillity of viewing TIFF/JPEG/BMP files?
00:01:04Zagoryes. haven't you seen the lena image that dragon showed?
00:01:24trackjno I haven't
00:02:01Zagortry it
00:02:07trackjwhere do I find it Zagor?
00:02:36Zagorright next to the doom movie
00:02:47trackjill check it out later
00:06:48Timbelsis this real?
00:07:11Timbelsin wich build can we find this :D never knew i bought me a game machine ;)
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00:07:46trackjyea but i dont' think the processor is powerful enough for games
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00:08:23Timbelsbut it can view pics?
00:08:36Timbelsu already found that url zagor was talking about?
00:08:43*Timbels is curious
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00:11:59trackmissspelt my own name
00:13:21trackThe FM recorder wasnt' a huge success
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00:16:14trackhi mid
00:16:34midknight2k3hi zagor
00:16:36tracku alright?
00:16:46trackim gonna step out for a moment be back soon
00:17:02Timbelshey mid
00:17:10midknight2k3hey Timbels
00:17:18midknight2k3Zagor, having a bit of trouble..
00:17:29midknight2k3how can we pass a setting to peakmeter
00:18:25midknight2k3well for example
00:18:34midknight2k3how do you pass the "Peak Release" to the peak meter?
00:18:37midknight2k3where does it get it?
00:19:02Zagorin the settings struct
00:19:58midknight2k3i've been trying to pass redzone width following the same exact way the peak release is.. it appears to be broken. :)
00:20:21Timbelswhere do u guyz stored that lena file?
00:20:47midknight2k3you reorganized the menus!
00:21:01midknight2k3i was thinking
00:21:04midknight2k3what about modes?
00:21:10midknight2k3"Classic" and "Simplistic"?
00:21:18Zagornope :)
00:21:26midknight2k3i won't push the matter :)
00:21:35midknight2k3i'm just curious about this peakmeter stuff
00:21:41midknight2k3i must be leaving something out
00:22:10midknight2k3but what...
00:23:03midknight2k3and i've got an etch a sketch in store!
00:23:40midknight2k3ok so peakmeter.c gets peak release from settings.h right?
00:24:00midknight2k3 int peak_meter_release; /* units per read out */
00:24:03midknight2k3that must be it.
00:24:15Zagorlooks right
00:24:52midknight2k3and this would be corresponding in settings.c:
00:24:53midknight2k3 config_block[0xb1] = global_settings.peak_meter_release |
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00:24:57midknight2k3hi idc
00:25:12midknight2k3is this ok for the redzone then zagor?
00:25:12midknight2k3 config_block[0xf6] = (unsigned char)global_settings.peak_meter_redwidth;
00:25:28midknight2k3and like so in settings.h
00:25:29midknight2k3 int peak_meter_redwidth; /* range 0-30db */
00:25:29Zagoryeah, unless f6 is used for something else
00:25:37midknight2k3said f6-ff was free
00:26:19midknight2k3i had it at f6
00:26:23midknight2k3when the next one was f5
00:26:31midknight2k3may fix it
00:26:56midknight2k3ok so we're green there.
00:27:04midknight2k3now for settings menu, where we SET the item.
00:27:58midknight2k3does this look right in settings_menu?
00:28:01midknight2k3static bool peak_meter_redwidth(void)
00:28:01midknight2k3bool retval = false;
00:28:01DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
00:28:01midknight2k3 int redwidth = peak_meter_redwidth;
00:28:01midknight2k3 retval = set_int(str(LANG_REDZONE), "dB",
00:28:01***Alert Mode level 1
00:28:01midknight2k3 &peak_meter_redwidth, NULL,
00:28:03midknight2k3 5, 0, 30);
00:28:05midknight2k3 peak_meter_redwidth = (unsigned char)redwidth;
00:28:07midknight2k3 return retval;
00:28:11midknight2k3nasty tabs
00:28:31Zagorthat's why you should always use spaces, never tab
00:28:37midknight2k3i just fixed it
00:28:43midknight2k3i thought the custom was tab
00:28:46midknight2k3apparently not
00:29:02midknight2k3luckily my editor lets me auto replace tabs with 4 spaces
00:29:08midknight2k3looks ok otherwise
00:29:11[IDC]DragonZagor: congrats to the bookmark release!
00:29:20Zagorthanks. finally... :-)
00:29:32[IDC]DragonTime to changet the subject line?
00:29:49midknight2k3and here it is in the peak meter menu
00:29:50midknight2k3 { str(LANG_REDZONE) , peak_meter_redwidth },
00:29:55midknight2k3i hope this all goes in ok
00:30:02Zagormidknight2k3: you never read the setting
00:30:16midknight2k3in the peak meter code?
00:31:04midknight2k3i'm getting to that ! :) so does it up to here look ok?
00:31:07Zagor"int redwidth = peak_meter_redwidth;" <−−- where is the setting
00:31:31midknight2k3is that what i must do?
00:31:54midknight2k3here's what i have in the code so far:
00:31:55midknight2k3static int redwidth = 10;
00:32:01Zagoryou must read from the global_settings struct. i.e: "int redwidth = global_settings.redwidth;"
00:32:02midknight2k3not correct
00:32:09midknight2k3thank you
00:32:12midknight2k3that should fix it
00:33:08Zagoryeah. i'm off to bed now. bye all.
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00:34:59midknight2k3can you help me finish this, idc?
00:36:03[IDC]DragonI'm almost finished, too
00:36:09midknight2k3with what
00:36:17[IDC]Dragonwith the day
00:36:32midknight2k3i hope not to be long
00:36:34[IDC]Dragonand with a video player update
00:36:39Timbelshey dragon
00:36:48midknight2k3ooh cool
00:38:02***Alert Mode OFF
00:41:16trackok im back
00:43:37midknight2k3whats new with the vid player, idc?
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00:48:45trackhi mid
00:49:06midknight2k3new redzone track
00:49:31trackseen the Gmini 220?
00:49:41ovehi all
00:50:40oveI have some recording feature request
00:50:46trackso what does this redzone do mid?
00:52:02midknight2k3WTF DO YOU THINK
00:52:04midknight2k3forget it track
00:52:18trackyes i know what it does, what new features does it do?
00:52:40midknight2k3how about custom width
00:52:59CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:52:59*Timbels np: RedZone-RedZone_Bad_Boy_Story
00:56:14oveI'd like to have some "smart" filename choice in a list of names, postfixed with increment or date/hour like it is now
00:57:05ove-> replace the Rxxxx.mp3 name by <Next name in the list>-xxx.mp3 automatically
00:58:24ovebecause I record my own instrument playing, and I play a limited bunch of pieces, but very often
00:58:31oveso renaming files is really boring
01:01:16midknight2k3ove: perahps
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01:03:24midknight2k3bye all!
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03:36:18midknight2k3where is everyone
03:36:21midknight2k3earhurts hi
03:39:07midknight2k3where is he
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05:03:15midknight2k3hi scotts
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05:18:26midknight2k3hi joshN
05:34:24joshNhi :-)
05:34:34midknight2k3whats up?
05:35:28joshNnot much
05:50:13scott666yes!! my cd burner works again
05:50:26midknight2k3FU scott
05:50:32midknight2k3ooh send me a copy of simcity
05:50:56scott666whats your address?
05:51:16midknight2k325 maple street
05:51:19midknight2k3maple ave
05:51:34midknight2k3northsouth 34567
05:51:43midknight2k3some, where
05:51:47scott666mapleville, MP, MAPLE?
06:04:38midknight2k3and HELP MK!
06:04:47scott666whatcha doin?
06:05:10midknight2k3its, pretty cool
06:05:14midknight2k3it works and all
06:05:16scott666yeah, stupid question that a game, an app, or a demo?
06:05:48scott666can you save etch-a-sketch drawings?
06:06:17scott666ooh! make the archos motion sensitive so shaking it clears the screen
06:06:23scott666wheres track when you need him...
06:06:48midknight2k3but not a game game
06:07:17midknight2k3just a demo game
06:07:17midknight2k3thats it
06:07:17DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
06:07:17midknight2k3yes i plan to let you save them
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06:11:11midknight2k3here, scott?
06:11:17scott666i am now
06:11:34scott666save the current configuration of pixels on the screen?
06:11:39midknight2k3lets speak biz niss
06:12:05scott666you're in the penis business, eh?
06:12:39scott666i won't inquire further...
06:12:50midknight2k3ok anyways
06:12:50midknight2k3back to biz niss
06:12:52midknight2k3 rb->lcd_drawpixel(endx, endy);
06:12:53midknight2k3 rb->lcd_drawline(startx, starty, endx, endy);
06:12:56midknight2k3its busted officer
06:14:57scott666why would you want to just draw 1 pixel?
06:15:12scott666its an etch-a-sketch
06:15:18midknight2k3STFU I SAID
06:15:24midknight2k3thats not the whole code
06:15:26scott666you can only go in lines
06:15:32midknight2k3aww boy.
06:15:33midknight2k3here we go.
06:15:41scott666it has to follow the rules of etch-a-sketchism
06:15:53scott666you can go up, down, left or right.
06:16:01midknight2k3I KNOW DIPSHIT
06:16:12scott666you cant just add a pixel!
06:16:19midknight2k3 I DIDNT
06:16:23scott666etch-a-sketchs don't even HAVE pixels
06:16:28midknight2k3OK THATS IT
06:16:29midknight2k3FORGET IT
06:16:49scott666heh, couldnt resist
06:17:00scott666but go on, whats broken about it?
06:17:06CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:17:06*midknight2k3 slaps scott666 around a bit with a large trout
06:17:07midknight2k3slap slap slap
06:17:09midknight2k3time for full screen peak meters
06:17:29midknight2k3can you code
06:17:49scott666code? yes
06:17:59midknight2k3very well?
06:18:10scott666i just dont know the more rockbox-specific stuff
06:18:24scott666just not for rockbox-specific stuff
06:18:26midknight2k3you are neat
06:18:29midknight2k3well still
06:18:33midknight2k3i just finished c for dummies vol 1
06:18:37scott666cause i never got around to setting up an SDK
06:19:00scott666i know C++, there cant be that big a difference though, can there?
06:19:11midknight2k3not really
06:19:16midknight2k3c is c++ with less craps
06:24:27adi|homeactually.. depending on how you look at it.. proper c++ is complete different from c
06:24:29adi|homeno objects
06:24:36adi|homec has none..
06:24:46midknight2k3adi hey
06:24:54midknight2k3remember when you got hassled by ollitrop :) LOL
06:25:05midknight2k3that was so funny
06:25:11midknight2k3but anyways
06:26:05midknight2k3adi: i understand you are pretty good with code?
06:26:26adi|homecertain code... i can handle
06:26:38midknight2k3my etcher is troubled
06:26:50midknight2k3ah i think it just needs recoding
06:26:53scott666you never said what was troubled about it
06:26:53midknight2k3like earHurts
06:26:56midknight2k3was saying
06:27:01midknight2k3scots: quiet down
06:27:09adi|homedefine 'troubled'
06:27:21adi|homebecause.. it may just be 'troubled' between the keyboard and chair
06:27:45midknight2k3its troubled moving the cursor without drawing behind it
06:29:22scott666you cant move the cursor without drawing
06:29:38scott666or do you mean it doesnt draw when you move it?
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06:33:58midk2k3stupid junk
06:34:01midk2k3ok wht did i miss
06:35:09midk2k3what is there to say
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09:24:31kornshell*yawn* just wanted to say thanks guys... rockbox kicks ass [:
09:25:09kornshellalso wanted to let you know that those of us who swore off irc before efnet went down the tubes didnt know that switched to freenode... ya'll still link to on the docs page
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10:01:30midhaarrockerLinusN: is that temp*** a selfdestructing account?
10:09:01LinusNnot self destructing, but soon-to-be-destroyed
10:09:20dwihnoGreetings everyone!
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10:10:09LinusNhello dwihno
10:11:09*dwihno is back in the loop.
10:11:50dwihno-> work -> weekend -> work -> weekend -> work -> weekend -> salary -> work ... and so forth
10:12:44midhaarrockerdwihno: Learn how to paraglide or somehting. :)
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10:25:00dwihnomidhaarrocker: well, I bought a really really nice Djorkaeff shirt! :)
10:27:02midhaarrockergoogle suggests that Djorkaeff is something that concerns soccer
10:30:50dwihnoYes :)
10:31:10dwihnoA soccer player indeed.
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15:36:31elinenbeLinusN: are you also implementing a rmdir()?
15:37:08LinusNnot yet
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16:11:57midhaarrockerearHurts: Keyboard still broken? (type yyyy for yes or many many y for no) :)
16:13:22earHurtsI'm testing a irc app I modified
16:13:38earHurtssorry, I moved my testing to an unused channel
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16:27:36Timbelshi all
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16:29:47Timbelsmidhaarrocker (or any one else awake) u ever use the program id3browse?
16:30:10Timbelshmm damn
16:30:19Timbelsit has some strange bug here
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16:31:12Timbelswhile cataloging my music it put the first letter of the album name twice in the dir
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16:31:49Timbelslike this: AA Rush Of Blood To The Head.m3u
16:32:01Timbelsany clues?
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16:32:13Timbelsartist, title, year, genre is working good
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16:33:48*midhaarrocker has no clues
16:33:57webmindwe know
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16:34:40midhaarrockerwebmind: I have no clue how you can know that.
16:34:55webmindthat's what i mean
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16:37:26*Timbels needs a cue plugin
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19:34:20maedhrosQuestion! When I have flashed the ROM, I really don't need the ajbrec file in the root folder, right? Unless I boot with the F1-key pressed down?
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19:41:34maedhroswhat is the rockbox.ucl-file?
19:42:30quelsarukthe file that you flash
19:43:06maedhrosso when I'm done flashin, I really don't need it anymore?
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19:43:17quelsarukthat is...
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19:43:37maedhrosok... *del rockbox.ucl*
19:44:04quelsarukyou just need it when upgrading rockbox on flash (re-flashing the second image or however it's said)
19:44:50maedhrosWon't be doing that until the next release...
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19:45:38quelsarukit's safe
19:46:15quelsaruki mean.. updating that image is secure, and if 1 daily build has a bug, you can update with next day one...
19:46:27quelsarukand it's faster than loading from the drive
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19:46:49maedhrosHehe, yeah. That's true
19:47:16maedhrosBut still. I prefer to stick with the official releases.
19:47:40quelsarukand lose all new stuff added to rockbox daily?
19:48:06maedhrosNothing is more anoying than going to the bus in the morning, and then to discover a major bug in the daily build
19:48:09quelsaruksince the very first day i started using rockbox i always use the bleeding edge code :)
19:48:27quelsaruki love risk
19:49:13maedhrosSo you knew about rockbox -before- you bought the archos?
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19:49:56quelsarukno, i bought my recorder 3 and a half years ago
19:50:14maedhrosIs the recorder that old?
19:50:26quelsarukrecorder 6
19:50:38quelsaruk(mine hasn't got serial number in the back)
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19:52:01maedhrosDoes you archos also shut down if you, like, move those blue muffs a little?
19:52:59quelsarukmy box shuts down if i do a lot of things... but i have some solder points broken
19:53:16quelsaruk3,5 years in my hands... is a loooong time
19:53:22quelsaruki've bought a new one
19:53:25maedhrosI mean, if the archos jbr is that old you'd think they would fix that. The muff bug.
19:53:40quelsaruki don't know
19:53:52quelsarukthey don't really fix anything
19:54:16maedhroshehe. i know.
19:54:21quelsarukmy recorder version was 1.15
19:54:33quelsarukthe last one is 1.27 (1.28)
19:55:11quelsarukbut they just removed some minor bugs and added.... few things since the first version
19:55:13maedhros1.27d :p
19:55:28maedhrosi know...
19:55:57maedhrosi think original firmware my was 1.26.
19:56:13maedhrosthat came out wrong
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20:04:33quelsaruki'm leaving..
20:04:49quelsarukcu .. later? maybe :)
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20:15:28maedhrosI get an error when launching chip8 and viewer...
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20:19:00maedhrosI cannot launche the chip8 plugin nor the viewer plugin... Using official release 2.1
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20:27:11*maedhros just read the manual.
20:27:23*maedhros will stop asking stupid questions
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21:47:05bmidy57hi all
21:47:32bmidy57I d like to thanks the people to have finnaly integrate the bookmark into the cvs.
21:47:45bmidy57no more needs to patch ..
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22:09:49[IDC]DragonHi guys!
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22:10:12[IDC]DragonLots of cvs activity, I like it!
22:10:23[IDC]DragonRockboxing ahead...
22:10:25bmidy57are there some projects / volunteer to add support for .lnk
22:11:57Zagorbmidy57: no. it's a horrible horrible format that we don't want to support
22:12:09[IDC]DragonZagor: I'd like your final word on how to solve the volume setting issue for plugin playback.
22:12:53bmidy57Zagor: I have some code source in pure C only a few line that show how to extract uinfo from it , are you interrested ?
22:13:44Zagorsure, send it to
22:13:50Zagoror dcc me right now
22:15:35Zagor[IDC]Dragon: sorry, i forgot much of the issue. why don't we just add mpeg_sound_set in the plugin api?
22:15:53[IDC]DragonI did, in my uncommitted version.
22:16:06[IDC]DragonBut I need the set value
22:16:22[IDC]DragonBecause somehow the volume is at 0
22:16:46[IDC]DragonSo I wouldn't know on what to set it
22:17:08[IDC]DragonI proposed to expose the setting struct
22:17:15Zagorhang on (real life interrupt)
22:17:29[IDC]Dragonbut any change there would have to break the plugin API version
22:17:47bmidy57zagor: if you find some times to take alook, perhaps only the support for the link to directory will be enough for Rockbox .
22:17:52*elinenbe likes CVS activity
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22:18:32elinenbebmidy57: the problem with supporting the link format is then linux users will want the ln -s format supported and then mac users will want alias supported...
22:18:51[IDC]Dragonelinenbe: did you try the "improved" video player?
22:18:56elinenbeZagor: we are nearing the 200KB range again... food for thought...
22:19:10elinenbe[IDC]Dragon: not yet, but I will try it out as soon as I pull a cpy of the CVS
22:19:25elinenbeI will check in out in 30 min... will you still be here?
22:19:30[IDC]Dragonhow close are we (for FM)?
22:19:45[IDC]Dragonelinenbe: probably not, don't worry
22:20:06elinenbe[IDC]Dragon: I try it now −− just for yoU!
22:20:24[IDC]DragonI said don't worry
22:20:27bmidy57elinenbe: A solution will be to make our custom lnk, like a simple text file that contains the directory where we wants to jump, I thjink it will be simple enough to code.
22:20:33elinenbeyou don't worry...
22:21:11Zagorelinenbe: nah, we've got 23 KB left. no worries.
22:21:20elinenbeZagor: haha :D
22:21:42Zagorwe'll be moving out some stuff to plugins soon too (like vbrfix for instance)
22:21:56[IDC]Dragonflashing helps ;)
22:22:13elinenbeZagor: as we get more and more plugins, we NEED to have a method of organization...
22:22:22[IDC]Dragonwe can grow to ~400kB there
22:22:39Zagorelinenbe: yeah, we're on it
22:22:56Zagor[IDC]Dragon: too bad not everyone can flash
22:23:02elinenbeZagor: couldn't we also implement ucl into the loaded firmware?
22:23:06[IDC]Dragondon't tell me...
22:23:29Zagorelinenbe: if we really need >200KB, we can always make a two-stage loader
22:23:56Zagorbut I don't want a >200KB firmware anyway, since it takes away from the buffer
22:24:16[IDC]Dragon8MB rulez ;)
22:24:40[IDC]Dragondon't tell me not everybody can solder in that chip.
22:24:59Zagoryou'll do it for them? ;)
22:25:29elinenbe[IDC]Dragon: I like the changes, but I would really like synched sound.
22:25:42[IDC]Dragonelinenbe: in progress...
22:26:07elinenbeI have loaded a simpsons episode mp3 and then synced it to the video file, but it keeps going out of synch during bitswapping, etc.
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22:26:24[IDC]DragonOnce Zagor answers my questions, we're closer (no offense)
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22:26:52elinenbe[IDC]Dragon: also settings to force backlight on for plugins, etc.
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22:27:01[IDC]Dragonabout a loader: that can actually be faster
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22:27:07Zagori'm undecided if I think plugins should access the settings. it increases flexibility, but also incompatibility.
22:27:16[IDC]Dragonbecause Archos' descrambling is slow
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22:27:42elinenbedo we still deal with Archos descrambling if we are flashed?
22:28:04[IDC]Dragonyou deal with ucl decompression instead
22:28:07elinenbethat is what I thought.
22:28:25elinenbebut the ucl decompression takes no time... (at least no noticable time)
22:28:30elinenbebe back in 30
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22:30:08trackhi boys
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23:05:44trackhi tim
23:05:48trackZagor is very quiet
23:09:59Timbelsmaybe he is asleep?
23:10:11TimbelsZagor has been idle 5mins 51secs
23:10:17Timbelswell guess not
23:12:48Zagorbmidy57: that code just reinforces my opinion not to support .lnk files. just look att all that cruft!
23:14:01trackZagor what are lnk files?
23:14:11Zagorwindows shortcuts
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23:49:46Zagorhey, why hasn't anyone told me resume is borken?
23:53:28Timbelsi did..
23:54:44Timbels[23:57] <Zagor> Timbels: yes, i've noticed problems with resume too. we might have broken it with the recent bookmark change.
23:54:44Timbels[23:57] <trackj> lol
23:54:44Timbels[23:57] <Zagor> i will look at it tomorrow
23:55:13Timbelsu should stop drinking all those beers Zagor, its bad for ur memory
23:55:14Zagorheh, true. well why haven't you reminded me? ;)
23:58:10trackyea Zagor too much boozing is bad for u

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