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00:13:48 | midknight2k3 | hi ppls |
00:14:12 | midknight2k3 | zagor: another brilliant idea came to me a few days ago :) |
00:14:17 | midknight2k3 | you know what that means |
00:14:21 | * | Zagor ducks |
00:14:32 | * | midknight2k3 aims carefully and tries again |
00:15:37 | midknight2k3 | well anyways, how about, when dir browsing load the first 5 seconds of the first X mp3s in the folder into buffer so we can play right away instead of waiting for spinup? |
00:17:25 | Zagor | because 1: it's very slow and 2: nothing says we're going to play one of those songs anyway |
00:17:53 | midknight2k3 | yeeah it was just how smart the Riot was that made me think of it |
00:18:05 | midknight2k3 | speaking of riots... |
00:18:17 | midknight2k3 | humm |
00:19:30 | midknight2k3 | well someone suggested the name for our new project on the riot would be rockbox: riot edition... i think it sounds pretty catchy... is it acceptable |
00:19:30 | midknight2k3 | ? |
00:20:10 | Zagor | why have an "edition"? does linux have a "dell edition" when it runs on dells? |
00:20:16 | midknight2k3 | dunno |
00:20:21 | midknight2k3 | i just liked it |
00:20:28 | Zagor | i like it simple |
00:20:38 | midknight2k3 | ok never mind |
00:21:40 | Zagor | is anyone working on programming the riot? |
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00:22:36 | midknight2k3 | yeah... |
00:22:44 | midknight2k3 | encrypted so may not happen |
00:22:58 | Zagor | well so was the archos firmware |
00:23:10 | midknight2k3 | scrambled i thought |
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00:24:01 | Zagor | well until you know the algorithm, you don't know if the riot is encrypted or just scrambled either. |
00:24:22 | midknight2k3 | it is |
00:24:31 | midknight2k3 | the devs browse the forum |
00:24:34 | midknight2k3 | it is indeed |
00:24:57 | Zagor | well do you think archos would claim anything else? |
00:25:17 | midknight2k3 | i doubt it |
00:28:50 | midknight2k3 | I think this has been brought up before, but what about a Rockbox Forum? |
00:29:17 | Zagor | we prefer mailing lists |
00:29:40 | Zagor | forums require that I actively go and search for new messages. mailing lists deliver them to me without effort. |
00:30:16 | midknight2k3 | well it just marks new ones with a "NEW" icon or a red icon, and it can notify you of new ones... but I understand if you don't prefer that |
00:30:28 | Zagor | many people have different preferences, but that is the reason why we use mail instead of a forum |
00:30:34 | midknight2k3 | i just find it a bit annoying when i go to hit "reply" and then there IS no reply button :) |
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00:38:25 | xam | Zagor the fact that you have to *check* for new messages in forums is the reason why RSS seeds become more and more popular |
00:38:47 | Zagor | yeah |
00:38:50 | xam | s/seeds/feeds |
00:38:53 | midknight2k3 | hi hi hi |
00:39:00 | midknight2k3 | oh |
00:39:17 | xam | not much of a difference ;) |
00:39:25 | midknight2k3 | i dunno, i just like being able to reply without booting a mail client and digging through the messages till i find what i need to reply to |
00:42:46 | xam | personally I read the mailing list from time to time (once or twice a month), but since I'm a lurker - and I already have too much emails to read every day - i'm not subscribed |
00:43:01 | midknight2k3 | yeah another thing is subscribing |
00:43:08 | midknight2k3 | if i ever read it it's at the rockbox page |
00:43:12 | midknight2k3 | now i have a flood of emails |
00:43:13 | midknight2k3 | lol |
00:43:22 | midknight2k3 | just because i needed to post one thing |
00:43:59 | Zagor | use a filter |
00:44:15 | midknight2k3 | yeah yeah |
00:44:22 | xam | Zagor it's also a bandwith problem if you have to pay for traffic ;) |
00:44:31 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
00:44:32 | midknight2k3 | what he said |
00:44:32 | midknight2k3 | lol |
00:44:55 | Zagor | eeeh, prove that please. mail is *small* compared to web pages. |
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00:46:12 | xam | well, a 'du -sh GNUstep' is whopping 44MB ... |
00:46:34 | xam | Zagor okay, it's for the last 2 years ... but I'm subscribed to some more |
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00:46:40 | xam | it adds up |
00:46:53 | Zagor | now calculate the size of every page you ever loaded at web forums. each page is easily 100 kb |
00:47:07 | midknight2k3 | use the sourceforge bandwidth |
00:47:10 | midknight2k3 | it's free right? |
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00:47:12 | midknight2k3 | lol |
00:47:33 | xam | midknight2k3: it's about your ISP ... |
00:47:36 | Zagor | our bandwidth is free already |
00:47:41 | midknight2k3 | yay |
00:47:43 | midknight2k3 | whats the issue then |
00:49:47 | xam | midknight2k3: some people are NOT allowed to subscribe to mailing lists with their work email address, so they have to use their home email address (and check emails from home). However they can surf the web from work ... |
00:50:01 | midknight2k3 | right |
00:50:02 | midknight2k3 | its all good |
00:50:07 | midknight2k3 | i see a point |
00:50:11 | xam | ;) |
00:50:32 | midknight2k3 | plus the "always logged in" option and the fact that you can simply hit reply and post instead of digging around in whatever you linux users use for mail |
00:50:58 | xam | well, it's not too much traffic, agreed, but it's traffic I don't need ... |
00:51:08 | midknight2k3 | ? |
00:51:53 | midknight2k3 | ok zagor |
00:52:05 | xam | midknight2k3: if I would have to subscribe to every mailing list I want to send 1 or 2 messages a month, it's too much hassle/traffic for me |
00:52:16 | midknight2k3 | i just saved the index of a forum, with php, already logged in and at the topics page, it's 43.5KB |
00:52:22 | xam | therefore I prefer forums |
00:52:22 | midknight2k3 | right |
00:52:26 | midknight2k3 | i'm FOR forums |
00:52:29 | midknight2k3 | not against |
00:52:30 | midknight2k3 | lol |
00:52:41 | midknight2k3 | i'm the one who thought of it. i certainly like the idea |
00:52:43 | xam | I'm for both ;) |
00:52:46 | Zagor | yeah, it's unfortunate we have to require subscriptions. but with the spam situation today we have to. |
00:52:47 | midknight2k3 | yes |
00:52:48 | midknight2k3 | of course |
00:53:27 | MT | im against forums |
00:53:27 | MT | people dont think when replying to forums |
00:53:34 | midknight2k3 | oh? |
00:53:38 | midknight2k3 | ban them |
00:54:04 | MT | whats wrong with mailing lists |
00:54:12 | midknight2k3 | hrm |
00:54:13 | xam | Zagor on some websites you can only post with a certain prefix (eg. gcc mailing list), or you can also send mails as a non-subscriber, but with some delay (because it is reviewed by a moderator once a day) |
00:54:16 | midknight2k3 | have to be subscribed |
00:54:19 | midknight2k3 | cant just hit reply |
00:54:25 | midknight2k3 | have to dig for old message |
00:54:36 | midknight2k3 | more organized |
00:54:46 | midknight2k3 | and more feature filled |
00:54:57 | MT | more organised? in what respect? |
00:55:15 | xam | Zagor these options could be implemented for the rockbox-mailing list aswell |
00:55:19 | midknight2k3 | in the fact that there are topics with posts, not just a "list" of replies and topics |
00:55:21 | Zagor | unfortunately moderation puts more work on the administrators = me |
00:55:29 | midknight2k3 | i could admin it! |
00:55:31 | midknight2k3 | well |
00:55:35 | midknight2k3 | i see no large point |
00:55:35 | xam | Zagor what about the prefix option? |
00:55:52 | Zagor | i haven't seen that. do you have a link to info? |
00:56:22 | midknight2k3 | moderation wouldn't be a big issue |
00:56:40 | midknight2k3 | i don't think we get many solicitors or evil nerds often |
00:56:58 | xam | Zagor no problem, just looking up the webpage |
00:58:15 | Zagor | midknight2k3: we get spam by the truckload |
00:58:53 | midknight2k3 | yes |
00:58:58 | midknight2k3 | but there isn't forum spam! |
00:59:10 | midknight2k3 | at least not last i checked, a few minutes ago |
00:59:14 | midknight2k3 | ;) |
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01:01:17 | MT | there isnt any mailing list spam either |
01:01:28 | midknight2k3 | no |
01:01:33 | midknight2k3 | because you must subscribe |
01:02:09 | xam | argll, just found links to pages that discuss about it, but not any that gives a link how to implement it ... still searching |
01:05:16 | xam | Zagor it is basically just that a non-subscriber has to put a certain prefix in the subject line, like "[ROCKBOX]" or "[NONSUBSCRIBED]" (whatever you like), and he/she can post to the list |
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01:06:01 | Zagor | ok |
01:06:22 | Zagor | sounds like a reasonable solution |
01:06:27 | midknight2k3 | but |
01:06:32 | MT | Zagor: what does the list use atm, mailman? |
01:06:39 | Zagor | majordomo |
01:06:46 | midknight2k3 | what if the spammer is sending [ROCKBOX] pills? |
01:06:48 | MT | aha |
01:07:04 | Zagor | midknight2k3: spammers are automatic, so they don't know it is required |
01:07:05 | midknight2k3 | nm |
01:07:09 | midknight2k3 | lol yeah nm |
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01:10:26 | midknight2k3 | oh by the way |
01:10:31 | midknight2k3 | the latest update |
01:10:34 | xam | Zagor it kept of the spammers from the gcc mailing list ... whenever you don't provide the prefix (as a non-subscriber) it sends back a reply that you have to add a special prefix to the subject |
01:10:35 | midknight2k3 | this lets you add dirs? |
01:10:58 | Zagor | midknight2k3: yeah |
01:11:04 | midknight2k3 | yay |
01:11:12 | midknight2k3 | now we need cut/copy/paste |
01:11:48 | Zagor | move, rather |
01:12:02 | midknight2k3 | that works |
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01:16:17 | midknight2k3 | hi hardeep |
01:16:22 | MT | iirc gcc uses mailman |
01:20:08 | Zagor | bed time. bye all. |
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01:20:33 | xam | I'd suggest you strip the prefix out of the delivered message (or substitute it with some other prefix) so that spam robots, that reply to questions on mailing lists archives with the same subject can't get through ... argll, i still don't find an implementation/instruction website how to do it |
01:20:48 | midknight2k3 | hes gone |
01:21:28 | MT | i shall just write a patch to majordomo |
01:21:56 | midknight2k3 | no |
01:21:58 | midknight2k3 | majordomo sucks |
01:22:33 | midknight2k3 | help me, MT, with my etch a sketch |
01:26:00 | top_bloke | hey mid |
01:26:04 | xam | well, you will certainly be able to just pass files, that are going to be rejected, to a filter or do some action (ie. execute a script). most mailing list software allow this. you just have to add some script that add such mails to the mailing list (if they have the correct subject line prefix) and to (optional) replace the subject line. otherwise it should reply that you need to add a special prefix to the subject. you can do this quite easily with |
01:26:21 | top_bloke | how far along is your etch? |
01:27:03 | midknight2k3 | not that much |
01:27:10 | top_bloke | boo |
01:27:13 | midknight2k3 | fu |
01:27:16 | midknight2k3 | want to try it |
01:27:18 | top_bloke | wtf |
01:27:22 | top_bloke | j/k |
01:27:34 | top_bloke | does it work? |
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01:27:47 | midknight2k3 | yes |
01:28:01 | top_bloke | that was fast? |
01:28:09 | midknight2k3 | .6kb |
01:28:09 | midknight2k3 | lol |
01:28:14 | top_bloke | oh |
01:28:38 | midknight2k3 | try it try it |
01:29:00 | top_bloke | yeah i'll do it |
01:29:08 | top_bloke | at some point |
01:29:09 | midknight2k3 | now? |
01:29:12 | midknight2k3 | wtf tops |
01:29:17 | top_bloke | what |
01:29:45 | top_bloke | i dont have my usb cable plugged in |
01:29:50 | top_bloke | to the pc |
01:29:51 | midknight2k3 | get it then |
01:30:04 | MT | the pertinent line is line 559-562 of resend in majordomo |
01:30:11 | top_bloke | its a pain to plug it in |
01:30:17 | midknight2k3 | mt: drop ut |
01:30:18 | midknight2k3 | it* |
01:30:18 | MT | it would be trivial, but we need tog et some extra info into that sub |
01:30:23 | midknight2k3 | and help me fix the etcher |
01:30:40 | MT | i couldnt care less about an etch-a-sketch |
01:30:44 | top_bloke | ohhh |
01:30:47 | midknight2k3 | but mt |
01:30:49 | midknight2k3 | i cant code |
01:30:58 | midknight2k3 | i need you to code it so i can look smart when i submit it |
01:31:01 | MT | undeniabley |
01:31:25 | midknight2k3 | no really though can you lend your coding skills or no |
01:31:51 | midknight2k3 | back in 10 |
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01:46:02 | midknight2k3 | back |
01:46:10 | midknight2k3 | anyone know about using tables for stuff? |
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01:57:11 | midknight2k3 | fine then |
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03:50:47 | track | Hi Dogger |
03:51:08 | Dogger | hey |
03:51:22 | track | whats up? |
03:52:15 | track | almost 3 over here in london |
03:52:16 | Dogger | think then bootloader works 100% now |
03:52:24 | Dogger | what you doin up! |
03:52:31 | track | going to work soon |
03:52:32 | track | :( |
03:52:37 | Dogger | eugh |
03:52:54 | track | lol |
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03:53:51 | track | hi mt |
03:55:45 | MT | silly isp is being the gay |
03:56:33 | track | who is ur ispp |
03:56:34 | track | ? |
03:58:33 | track | seeya later on guys. |
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04:30:21 | android | hello |
04:30:32 | midknight2k3 | hi |
04:30:45 | android | can anyone tell me how bad "panic: disk null" is? |
04:31:01 | midknight2k3 | you were here earlier |
04:31:06 | midknight2k3 | radio shack worries, right? |
04:31:07 | android | no |
04:31:14 | android | must be different guy |
04:31:27 | midknight2k3 | ah. that means there is either no disk or a broken disk (it cannot access the disk) |
04:31:33 | android | well shit |
04:31:48 | android | any way to get the unit to power off? |
04:31:59 | midknight2k3 | hold off |
04:32:12 | android | i have a jukebox studio 20... there is no off :-) |
04:32:27 | midknight2k3 | hold stop? |
04:32:49 | android | ahh... thank you |
04:32:58 | android | wasn't aware of that :-) |
04:33:14 | android | and it looks like my data is intact, so that's good |
04:33:51 | midknight2k3 | oh? |
04:33:55 | midknight2k3 | you can access via usb? |
04:33:56 | android | yeah |
04:34:04 | midknight2k3 | humm! amazing |
04:34:12 | midknight2k3 | does the archos firmware work? |
04:34:16 | android | the thing started freaking out after i installed the new rockbox firmware, like one of the buttons was held down or something |
04:34:41 | android | i was stupidly messing around with the plugins without knowing what they're all about |
04:35:17 | midknight2k3 | oh there isnt anything to mess with :) |
04:35:23 | midknight2k3 | did you get the right version? |
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04:36:51 | android | sorry, am using a weird client for irc... |
04:37:11 | android | the zip says rockbox 2.1 |
04:38:11 | android | and everything appears to be working just fine now |
04:39:03 | android | whew, i thought the thing was toast :-) |
04:45:36 | midknight2k3 | great |
04:45:57 | midknight2k3 | may have been the batteries |
04:46:09 | midknight2k3 | if i cannot access the disk that's what it says |
04:46:22 | midknight2k3 | if the batteries were low they may not have been able to spin up |
04:46:29 | android | coulda been |
04:46:53 | android | the disk had been spinning for a while, as it was going nuts |
04:47:20 | midknight2k3 | humm lol |
04:47:53 | android | anyway, thanks for your help! |
04:48:15 | midknight2k3 | np |
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04:48:18 | midknight2k3 | good luck |
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05:10:00 | midknight2k3 | lol |
05:10:05 | midknight2k3 | AVOID TRACK |
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09:23:40 | webmind | where ?? |
09:23:41 | webmind | morning |
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09:33:23 | dwihno | webmind: Sweden :-) |
09:33:39 | dwihno | webmind: I almost ran into some penguins when biking to work today :) |
09:35:01 | webmind | uhmm k |
09:35:19 | webmind | btw, something else.. the resume function is weird |
09:35:21 | webmind | still is |
09:35:40 | webmind | now i encountered a situation where it did not ask me to resume on boot |
09:35:54 | webmind | neither would it resume when pressing 'on' |
09:42:13 | dwihno | hm |
09:42:30 | dwihno | I've read something about resume being disabled in the CVS log. |
09:42:47 | webmind | i'm running some daily build |
09:42:52 | webmind | but need to upgrade |
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09:44:32 | dwihno | I upgrade when I see something new that improves the features I fancy. |
09:45:14 | webmind | yeah |
09:45:25 | webmind | i'm usually to lazy to mount my player |
09:45:46 | dwihno | Who is in charge (hehe) of the charging code? |
09:45:47 | webmind | and afaik there arent much new great feats. for the player |
09:45:51 | dwihno | Uwe F? |
09:46:50 | webmind | ? |
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09:49:43 | dwihno | The recorder models does not have hardware controlled charging... |
09:49:48 | dwihno | Thus, there is specific charging code. |
09:49:55 | dwihno | And I think Uwe Freese wrote it. |
09:50:12 | webmind | ah ok |
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10:03:06 | webmind | wb |
10:05:58 | dwihno | re! |
10:06:04 | webmind | re? |
10:06:19 | dwihno | Welcome back to #RockBox! \o/ |
10:06:59 | gz | regards |
10:07:00 | webmind | the channel that rocks ! |
10:07:05 | webmind | ok.. that was cheezy |
10:07:06 | webmind | :) |
10:07:10 | gz | :) |
10:07:58 | dwihno | \o/ |
10:08:57 | dwihno | What if you prefer techno instead of rock... Should I make a runner-up project which only carries a new logo and a new name - "TechnoBox"? :) |
10:10:15 | webmind | yeah! |
10:10:31 | webmind | get those lame techno listeners out of here! ;) |
10:10:50 | webmind | own taste first and all that crap ;) |
10:12:03 | dwihno | :-) |
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10:21:49 | gz | hi LinusN |
10:22:12 | LinusN | yo |
10:22:32 | webmind | oi LinusN |
10:25:57 | LinusN | hola |
10:27:05 | gz | did anyone of you have a look on those lessons for the mas? does anyone really understand what they're doing? i feel like i never saw a processor before... |
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10:30:55 | LinusN | i have had a look |
10:31:26 | LinusN | yes, it is very different from a mainstream CPU |
10:31:38 | LinusN | but we knew that, didn't we? |
10:32:52 | LinusN | i haven't written any code for it yet, though |
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10:36:28 | gz | well i knew dsp's are very different and i had a look onto some amd dsp. BUT i didn't imagine i had to do that crucial handmade pipline-management etc. |
10:36:50 | gz | i'm just trying to write code. 1+1. i wonder what the result will be - and where i'll find it |
10:36:51 | LinusN | yeah, feels a bit low-level... |
10:36:59 | gz | extremely |
10:37:10 | gz | sadly the lesson's for i2c aren't supplied. |
10:37:33 | LinusN | i remember when i first saw how the communication RISC in the M860 was programmed... |
10:37:52 | LinusN | almost the same feeling |
10:37:58 | gz | would be nice to read the rom and transfer it via i2c and store it to hd so we can disasm it |
10:38:08 | gz | well i did some misp handcoding. but not much. |
10:38:37 | gz | but i did really lots of mc68000 coding but that's a totally different story :) |
10:38:41 | kurzhaarrocker | LinusN: something completely different: Thanks to your help I got the trigger now down to < 0.1s :) |
10:38:49 | LinusN | gz: that should be fairly simple, just transfer it to RAM, and then we use read_mem to transfer it to the SH1 |
10:38:56 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: great |
10:39:39 | LinusN | gz: 68000 feels really high-level compared to this :_) |
10:43:38 | gz | LinusN, sure 68000 is a complete different world. a very warm and nice one compared tot his |
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10:44:43 | gz | LinusN, sure it should be easy - if you know how to transfer anything to anywhere which i don't yet :) So the mas does have access to the 2mb ram? i don't really know the architecture yet as you see |
10:45:32 | LinusN | no, the mas has no access to the 2Mb RAM, that's the SH1 memory |
10:45:49 | LinusN | however, the MAS has a read_memory I2C command |
10:46:05 | LinusN | so the SH1 can read from the MAS RAM memory |
10:46:11 | dwihno | \o/ |
10:46:19 | LinusN | hi dwihno |
10:46:22 | dwihno | Hej hej! :) |
10:46:28 | dwihno | I have an issue I want to talk about. |
10:46:38 | LinusN | the talk |
10:46:39 | LinusN | then |
10:47:11 | dwihno | The battery charging should be aggressive when USB is attached. |
10:48:10 | LinusN | you mean it's trickle charging? |
10:48:42 | dwihno | I don't know :) |
10:49:10 | dwihno | All I know, is that when the unit is attached, it will run out of juice. |
10:49:14 | LinusN | we can't be more aggressive than just turning on the charger |
10:49:15 | dwihno | It's just a question of time. |
10:49:43 | LinusN | just attached, not copying data? |
10:49:58 | dwihno | Nah |
10:49:58 | dwihno | Copying. |
10:50:18 | LinusN | which charger are you using? |
10:50:40 | dwihno | It happened with the stock charger as well, but currently I'm using some kind of power box. |
10:51:15 | LinusN | thing is, when continuously copying data, the hard drive consumes more power than the charger can supply |
10:51:50 | LinusN | you could try to increase the voltage |
10:52:18 | kurzhaarrocker | I never dared to do that since I read those reports about fried jukeboxes. |
10:52:52 | dwihno | LinusN: When I use the Archos stock firmware, it never runs out. |
10:54:10 | dwihno | Hm |
10:54:22 | dwihno | I never copy really large amounts of data anymore... |
10:55:52 | LinusN | ok, so the original fw works, then we have an issue |
10:56:47 | dwihno | So we can only control whether or not the unit should be charging? |
10:56:49 | LinusN | do you use Deep Discharge? |
10:57:04 | LinusN | yes, only on or off |
10:57:37 | dwihno | I'll check |
10:57:40 | gz | LinusN, oh cool didn't see that i2c command. Phew i start to understand. now 1+c is d if i wait one cycle for the pipline after setting the regs to its value before i do the calculation :) otherwhise i get a warning from the simulator - good thing! |
10:58:31 | dwihno | LinusN: Currently, yes. |
10:58:59 | dwihno | Perhaps the user settings should be overridden when USB is attached? |
10:59:07 | LinusN | dwihno: good idea |
10:59:25 | LinusN | deep discharge is a bad idea when USB:ing |
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11:00:19 | kurzhaarrocker | I thought that with deep discharge on it just would start charging later. |
11:00:56 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: yes, too late |
11:01:31 | kurzhaarrocker | To bad there is no way to detect whether usb really _does_ use the drive.. |
11:01:43 | LinusN | the HD still draws too much power, but disabling deep discharge will make it run longer |
11:03:18 | kurzhaarrocker | There might be people who just plug the drive in and leave it connected whithout really transferring data. Those still might want deep discharge while usb. |
11:03:49 | LinusN | could be, yes |
11:04:10 | dwihno | Hm. |
11:04:17 | dwihno | What a nice dilemma :) |
11:04:43 | kurzhaarrocker | Well just another option for deep discharge: "off while usb" :) |
11:05:25 | dwihno | Yep :) |
11:06:58 | kurzhaarrocker | Another idea could be to investigate the battery voltage differently while usb is connected. If it detects that much energy is drawn that is a hint that the user really transfers data -> Volle Pulle Power |
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11:11:28 | gz | cu later |
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11:15:25 | dwihno | kurzhaarrocker: I would prefer an additional setting. |
11:15:27 | dwihno | Imagine this: |
11:15:36 | dwihno | ........XXXXXXXXXXXXXX...............XX.....XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX..... |
11:15:40 | dwihno | Where XXX is transfer |
11:16:24 | kurzhaarrocker | I know what you mean. |
11:16:43 | dwihno | I don't think it's possible to write that kind of code which can accurately detect an user who transfer larger blocks at ramdom intervals. |
11:16:48 | LinusN | i wish we could measure the current draw |
11:17:52 | kurzhaarrocker | I have a voltmeter with a serial interface, I could link that to the remote control input... :) |
11:19:30 | dwihno | So what's so bad about an additional setting? :) |
11:22:02 | kurzhaarrocker | Nothing is bad about it. I just wonder wether the special needs during usb transfer could be handled in a better way |
11:22:12 | LinusN | i think the easiest solution is "off while usb" |
11:22:53 | LinusN | or even easier, disable deep discharge unconditionally when usb is connected |
11:25:10 | kurzhaarrocker | yes. But maybe someone feels inpired by the challenge to investigate the voltage behaviour in usb mode and write charging code that suits the situation better. |
11:25:27 | * | kurzhaarrocker doesn't |
11:26:25 | dwihno | The one who feels he wants it badly enough, will do it :-) |
11:26:33 | dwihno | As with everything else :) |
11:27:45 | kurzhaarrocker | I want a trigger badly. And the split editor. And one-touch-recording. And I want time. :) |
11:27:50 | dwihno | Yes. |
11:28:11 | dwihno | I want to clean up my work on the icon business and my sound screen, but there is no time. |
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13:46:34 | * | kurzhaarrocker is waiting for lunch to be delivered... |
13:53:48 | dwihno | Damn I suck when it comes to network analysis :D |
13:54:41 | webmind | ? |
13:55:40 | dwihno | I'm trying to figure out a way to talk to our printer :) |
13:55:57 | webmind | uhoh.. printer... |
13:59:12 | dwihno | :-) |
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14:23:37 | kurzhaarrocker | Linus: I just remember: the size of the recorded file is not reset, when the recording is started from prerecording. |
14:29:10 | LinusN | that's intentional |
14:29:16 | LinusN | i think :_) |
14:30:07 | kurzhaarrocker | It doesn't really make sense. When you stop and than start a recording again the num_rec_bytes should be reset |
14:31:36 | kurzhaarrocker | See the case MPEG_RECORD in the mpeg thread. There's a big if (is_prerecording). Only in the else part of it num_rec_bytes is reset. |
14:32:03 | LinusN | yes, because num_rec_bytes needs to be recalculated anyway |
14:32:15 | kurzhaarrocker | yes, eg like this: |
14:32:15 | kurzhaarrocker | if (mp3buf_write - mp3buf_read < 0) { |
14:32:15 | kurzhaarrocker | num_rec_bytes = mp3buf_write - mp3buf_read +sizeof mp3buf; |
14:32:15 | kurzhaarrocker | } else { |
14:32:15 | kurzhaarrocker | num_rec_bytes = mp3buf_write - mp3buf_read; |
14:32:15 | kurzhaarrocker | } |
14:32:20 | LinusN | in mpeg_num_recorded_bytes() |
14:34:21 | LinusN | num_rec_bytes isn't used for anything when prerecording, as far as i can remember |
14:35:01 | kurzhaarrocker | hm. |
14:35:10 | * | kurzhaarrocker is looking around some code |
14:38:25 | kurzhaarrocker | num_rec_bytes isn't used while prerecording, but as soon as a recording is started we're not prerecording any more. But for that transition (prerecording -> recording) the num_rec_bytes should be recalculated. |
14:38:51 | LinusN | for what reason? |
14:39:48 | kurzhaarrocker | Start a recording with prerecording enabled. Then stop the recording and start another recording with prerecording enabled. The size displayed is file1 + file2. |
14:40:36 | LinusN | ok, there we have it |
14:41:43 | kurzhaarrocker | I've been able to get rid of this problem by inserting the code mentioned above |
14:44:03 | kurzhaarrocker | I was astonished that sizeof mp3buf seems to work :) |
14:49:22 | LinusN | it shouldn't |
14:50:10 | LinusN | sizeof(mp3buf) == 4 |
14:51:23 | kurzhaarrocker | :( |
14:52:46 | * | kurzhaarrocker searches in the info code for the right way to determine the mp3buf size. |
14:53:05 | LinusN | mp3buflen |
14:53:13 | kurzhaarrocker | thanx |
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14:54:29 | kurzhaarrocker | What is that mp3end anyway? The adress of the last byte in mp3buf? |
14:54:40 | LinusN | btw, i can't see how your code above would work |
14:55:00 | LinusN | mp3end is the byte after the last byte |
14:55:05 | LinusN | address of |
14:58:23 | kurzhaarrocker | I thought simply resetting the num_rec_bytes to 0 would ignore the prerecorded data. Thus I tried to calculate how much data was already prerecorded. |
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15:00:07 | LinusN | why don't you look at mpeg_num_recorded_bytes()? |
15:05:59 | kurzhaarrocker | Ok, understood. |
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15:23:35 | LinusN | time to go, cu around |
15:23:46 | kurzhaarrocker | bye |
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16:35:51 | track | Hi |
16:36:25 | kurzhaarrocker | hi |
16:36:31 | track | hi kurz |
16:36:40 | track | Im just gonna try the latest bleeding edge now |
16:37:14 | track | im interested in the Create Directory feature |
16:37:24 | kurzhaarrocker | That one with the blow-up-my-box feature? |
16:37:35 | track | erm, kinda |
16:37:36 | track | ;-) |
16:38:25 | track | Did it actually blow ur box up? |
16:38:42 | elinenbe | the "create directory" feature is just jammed in there (in the main menu) |
16:38:46 | kurzhaarrocker | Yes, about half a year ago... |
16:38:53 | track | well let me see |
16:38:54 | track | brb |
16:39:41 | track | well u can make a driectory but u can't delete it |
16:40:11 | kurzhaarrocker | yet... |
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16:42:38 | track | I wonder if Rockbox will ever reach a point where everything is perfect and every possible feature is implemented |
16:43:32 | kurzhaarrocker | I assume that it will be extinct before that point because all units are broken, lost and gone. |
16:43:40 | track | lol |
16:43:51 | track | unless Rockbox works on a later device such as the Gmini |
16:46:54 | kurzhaarrocker | Well I assume that Archos would prefer rockbox to be developed if at all than behind bars... |
16:49:17 | track | yea |
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17:17:32 | gz | re |
17:18:55 | gz | what happend if the red led is blinking? exception? |
17:19:14 | webmind | nope |
17:19:17 | webmind | hardisk usage |
17:19:45 | gz | really? strange. it blinks periodically. and i used mas_readmem and no harddrive accessing command |
17:20:22 | webmind | afaik it's to indicatie hd access |
17:21:27 | gz | usually of cause |
17:21:41 | webmind | ? |
17:22:02 | gz | im coding a plugin |
17:23:03 | webmind | ok |
17:23:08 | * | webmind no coder btw |
17:23:30 | gz | i noticed B-) your welcome anyhow |
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18:03:55 | gz | so it's working now |
18:05:11 | gz | but the d0 and d1 rom's are quite empty...looks like its in the prom |
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19:50:49 | elinenbe | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26432&item=2454839870#ebayphotohosting |
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20:16:03 | gz | lol |
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20:57:05 | track | Hi |
20:58:32 | gz | hi |
20:59:42 | track | Hi Gz |
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21:20:00 | gz | you can't read out the mas' prom. at least not obviously |
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21:20:14 | gz | shit |
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21:53:23 | track | Would "undelete" be possible? |
21:53:40 | track | in case you accidently deleted a file off the Jukebox on-the-fly? |
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22:07:58 | scott666 | we'd need an equivelent to the windows recycle bin and some set disk space size to use it |
22:10:00 | track | yea something like that |
22:10:14 | scott666 | i dont see it happening |
22:10:25 | track | 100Mb should be enough for a recycle bin |
22:10:54 | scott666 | it should be customizable |
22:11:47 | track | yea |
22:12:05 | track | Im sure a few more megahertz is requierd though |
22:12:19 | scott666 | why? |
22:12:50 | track | to shift the files to and from the recycle bin |
22:12:56 | scott666 | i would that that all you'd have to do is move the file to the new trash folder, then add the ability to empty it |
22:13:02 | track | oh |
22:13:03 | track | ok |
22:13:05 | track | ;) |
22:13:29 | scott666 | but it doesn't sound useful enough to get added |
22:14:27 | track | well, how about a small "emergency" folder should a file be inadvertely deleted? |
22:15:10 | scott666 | how would you inadvertantly delete a file? |
22:15:29 | scott666 | you have to hit on+play on it, then pick delete, then confirm that youre deleteing it |
22:15:31 | track | well just say u wanted to rename a file and you selected Delete by mistake |
22:15:37 | track | oh |
22:16:54 | track | alright how about should u delete a file, then decided u needed it back? |
22:17:25 | scott666 | then its your own fault |
22:18:00 | track | well, we are all human, we all make mistakes |
22:18:03 | track | :) |
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22:31:26 | track | Why oh why oh why has Archos put a type A USB socket on the Jukebox |
22:32:51 | gz | what sort of port does the mas use to transfer data to the dac? sd0? i2s? pio? |
22:33:05 | track | dunno |
22:33:35 | gz | and does someone have a circuit diagram of the recorder? |
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22:38:44 | Falkenar | Hey! |
22:38:55 | Falkenar | some1? |
22:39:08 | gz | jo? |
22:39:30 | Falkenar | Hello... |
22:39:55 | Falkenar | tell me, if i got a Jukebox multimedia, What can i do with rockbox on it? |
22:40:28 | Falkenar | Is anybody home? |
22:40:29 | gz | hear music |
22:40:46 | Falkenar | right... |
22:40:55 | Falkenar | but that i can do witout rockbox |
22:41:10 | gz | dunno, try&u'll see. rockbox makes your box rock you know |
22:41:37 | Falkenar | i truely don't want to destroy my box... |
22:41:46 | Falkenar | i want to know as much as possible before trying to rock it... |
22:42:00 | gz | if you copy one file to the box' hd it wont hurt anyone. you can delete it if you dont like it |
22:42:59 | gz | btw, who is working on the mas, too? |
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22:51:54 | Falkenar | Hello... |
22:51:54 | Falkenar | ? |
22:52:17 | kurzhaarrocker | hello |
22:54:28 | scott666 | anyone know a good video converter? |
22:54:42 | scott666 | for winxp |
22:55:14 | scott666 | im trying to make an rvf, but i need to make uncompressed avi's first |
22:57:22 | gz | uncompressed?? |
22:57:45 | scott666 | yeah |
22:57:51 | scott666 | rvf needs em |
22:57:59 | scott666 | 112x64 too |
22:58:02 | gz | well wont be huge either on that resolution |
22:58:11 | scott666 | yeah |
22:58:13 | gz | have a look for virtual dub |
22:59:11 | scott666 | is it win32? |
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22:59:40 | Falkenar | *nod* |
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23:00:05 | scott666 | i already got it |
23:00:10 | scott666 | heh |
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23:00:28 | track | Hi Hardeep |
23:03:14 | kurzhaarrocker | gosh! A whole lot of conflicts! Couldn't Linus write that record to directory stuff without breaking my code? :) |
23:05:08 | scott666 | any idea on how to change the resolution with virtual dub? |
23:07:15 | gz | errr....no :) |
23:07:25 | scott666 | i dont see the option anywhere |
23:08:03 | gz | btw, is anyone working on the mas, too? |
23:09:18 | track | dunno gz |
23:09:28 | track | I thought u need specialist tools for the mas |
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23:10:07 | scott666 | anyone have another suggestion (or a way to get virtual dub to change the resolution)? |
23:10:21 | gz | well there are other programms. google a bit about it |
23:10:22 | track | change the res of what scott? |
23:10:31 | scott666 | the avi |
23:10:42 | track | So gz if we could hack the mas could we support other audio codecs? |
23:10:48 | kurzhaarrocker | gz: what do you mean with "working on the mas"? |
23:11:03 | gz | trying to understand it using the docs/programs i found |
23:11:43 | track | kurz I think he means reprogramming it to play other codecs |
23:11:44 | kurzhaarrocker | I didn't even know someone found that. Where? |
23:11:47 | track | my guess anyway |
23:12:00 | gz | well i heard you mirrored that site |
23:12:39 | kurzhaarrocker | track: apart from low quality wav playback no other codecs will be possible. |
23:12:55 | track | you are joking right? |
23:13:48 | scott666 | the memory is too small to hold anything else |
23:13:49 | kurzhaarrocker | no, eg. for ogg huge data tables would be required that don't fit into the mas |
23:14:30 | track | oh ok |
23:18:32 | scott666 | ooh, this program crashes when you select 'uncompressed' in the codec menu |
23:22:53 | track | so why hack the mas? what u trying to achieve? |
23:24:29 | kurzhaarrocker | One of the time and ressource consuming tasks is bitswapping. If we could put that into the MAS that would be a great advantage. |
23:26:05 | track | oh |
23:27:48 | kurzhaarrocker | The problem is that the MAS expects the bits of a byte to arrive in the reverse order the cpu sends it. Thus today the bit order must be reversed on the cpu. |
23:27:56 | track | ok |
23:28:09 | track | Could the mas be reprogrammed to do things like timestretch? |
23:29:09 | scott666 | how can i 2 minute video be 700mb?! |
23:30:07 | kurzhaarrocker | track: I don't know. |
23:30:29 | track | just wodnered |
23:30:31 | track | wondered |
23:32:15 | gz | scott666, in full resolution 24bit raw data? |
23:32:19 | gz | 24 pps? |
23:33:36 | scott666 | no, in 112x64 |
23:34:14 | gz | well, strange |
23:34:30 | scott666 | yeah |
23:34:36 | scott666 | im pretty sure its the program |
23:34:56 | scott666 | but it made me an avi, so im trying to make an rvf out of it |
23:35:12 | gz | welll..... :) |
23:35:22 | scott666 | the yuv was 340mb |
23:35:55 | scott666 | rvf is still compiling |
23:36:11 | scott666 | the rvf is 67mb |
23:36:28 | scott666 | lets see if it works... |
23:39:19 | scott666 | wow...it looks like a tv with no reception |
23:40:38 | track | is it just fuzz scott? |
23:40:54 | scott666 | no, interesting staticy lines |
23:41:02 | track | oh |
23:41:14 | track | did u resize it to 112x64? |
23:41:28 | scott666 | i told the program to, im not sure if it did |
23:44:19 | scott666 | winamp says its 352x250 |
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23:47:21 | kurzhaarrocker | I must sleep now. CU |
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23:56:26 | track | Hi |
23:56:32 | track | Hardeep can I ask u something plz? |
23:56:36 | gz | retrack |
23:57:17 | track | hi gz |
23:58:17 | hardeep | track: what's up? |
23:58:57 | track | I was wondering how useful a sort of "deleted" folder would be, where deleted files go should you wish to restore them |