#rockbox 2004-01-28

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#rockbox log for 2004-01-28

00:01:12		Nick edx is now known as edx{code} (edx@pD9EAB2BD.dip.t-dialin.net)
00:07:14		Join Nibbler [0] (nibbler@port-212-202-73-89.reverse.qsc.de)
00:07:17		Quit dannepolarn ()
00:10:15		Join midknight2k3 [0] (zakk@ACA56C06.ipt.aol.com)
00:10:30	midknight2k3	hi all
00:11:58	BoD[]	hi mid
00:12:07	midknight2k3	hey BoD[]
00:12:18	BoD[]	:)
00:12:28	midknight2k3	i have new plans for the vu\
00:12:36	midknight2k3	i thought i was done but i wasn't
00:12:41	BoD[]	like what
00:12:48	midknight2k3	i'll show you all later
00:12:54	BoD[]	ok
00:12:55	midknight2k3	it's confidential. :_
00:12:58	midknight2k3	:)
00:13:02	BoD[]	héhéhé
00:13:09	BoD[]	hey
00:13:15	midknight2k3	lol
00:13:25	BoD[]	i'd like my rockbox to go "next" faster
00:13:34	BoD[]	it's still slow when you click "next"
00:13:44	midknight2k3	next track you mean?
00:13:49	BoD[]	yep
00:14:03	midknight2k3	well that can't really be worked around, usually a hard drive spinup is needed
00:14:09	midknight2k3	ooooooh wait!
00:14:12	Zagor	you can preload some data
00:14:16	midknight2k3	what if we keep 5 seconds of the next song in buffer
00:14:17	midknight2k3	at all times?
00:14:19	BoD[]	it is faster with the old original legacy archos firmware
00:14:25	midknight2k3	ahaa
00:14:37	BoD[]	you can preload ? what do you mean
00:14:43	midknight2k3	buffer
00:14:49	midknight2k3	keep in ram
00:14:57	BoD[]	yeah yeah but ..
00:15:01	midknight2k3	so we'd still have to spin up
00:15:06	midknight2k3	but it'd start playing instantly
00:15:18	BoD[]	i mean .. is there an option or something
00:15:22	midknight2k3	i never touched the buffer code, so i don't know anything about it.
00:15:24	midknight2k3	no
00:15:25	midknight2k3	not yet...
00:15:29	midknight2k3	but it's a good idea
00:15:50	BoD[]	zagor ?
00:16:14	Zagor	BoD[]: nobody has written that. I just mentioned that it's possible.
00:16:17	BoD[]	ok :)
00:16:20	BoD[]	well
00:16:23	midknight2k3	i could try
00:16:27	BoD[]	in that case
00:16:29	midknight2k3	zagor could do it in a few seconds i bet
00:16:51	BoD[]	"it's like that to be implemented sometimes" :))
00:16:58	BoD[]	's='d
00:17:28	midknight2k3	let me have a look here at this code.
00:17:36	BoD[]	good luck ;)
00:17:45	midknight2k3	i doubt i can do much
00:17:53	midknight2k3	but its worth a shot
00:18:33	midknight2k3	buffer.c may do it
00:18:44	BoD[]	my "typical listening behaviour" is to load the full playlist of all the contents of the hd, and to listen with suffle on
00:18:47	BoD[]	shuffle
00:19:02	midknight2k3	hrm
00:19:08	BoD[]	and of course i want to "zap" quite often ;:)
00:19:26	midknight2k3	well the numbers are predetermined, right zagor?
00:19:39	Zagor	which numbers?
00:19:45	midknight2k3	when shuffling
00:19:55	midknight2k3	it knows ahead of time which number to go to correct
00:19:56	midknight2k3	?
00:20:10	Zagor	yes
00:23:08		Join track [0] (~74d57721@ACB9BEC3.ipt.aol.com)
00:23:15	track	Hi Midknight
00:23:21	midknight2k3	hi track
00:23:41	track	i switched from mirc to leafchat. I tried xchat but couldnt' get it to work for some reason
00:24:00	BoD[]	too 'x'
00:24:01	midknight2k3	leafchat?
00:24:04	track	yea
00:24:07	track	another irc client
00:24:09	midknight2k3	lol!
00:24:13	track	Has a plainer interface but it works
00:24:19	midknight2k3	god
00:24:22	midknight2k3	i know its in mpeg.c
00:25:29		Nick edx{code} is now known as edsx (edx@pD9EAB2BD.dip.t-dialin.net)
00:25:31		Nick edsx is now known as edx (edx@pD9EAB2BD.dip.t-dialin.net)
00:25:42	BoD[]	i use xircon
00:25:51	track	yea mid I just found the playlist editor
00:25:55	track	hardeep pointed it out for me
00:25:56	midknight2k3	man
00:25:58		Quit edx ()
00:25:58	midknight2k3	i cant do it
00:26:03	BoD[]	just a little bit better than telnet ;)
00:26:27	track	I want to go back to icechat but I think aol users are still banned on it
00:26:36	midknight2k3	icechat is dumb
00:26:53	midknight2k3	ah well.
00:27:00	track	well leafchat seems okay
00:27:01	midknight2k3	i can't do it
00:27:06	track	what u trying to do mid?
00:27:09	midknight2k3	but perhaps someone else can
00:27:18	midknight2k3	oh, loading the 5 seconds of the next track into buffer
00:27:24	midknight2k3	so we can play NEXT immediately
00:27:29	track	oh yeah?
00:27:29	midknight2k3	instead of waiting for hard drive
00:27:32	track	faster song switching
00:27:35	midknight2k3	right
00:27:44	track	I thought keeping the disk spinning up achieves the same effect
00:27:48	midknight2k3	ye
00:27:50	midknight2k3	yes*
00:27:53	midknight2k3	that eats battery
00:28:00	track	yea
00:28:07	midknight2k3	i mean if you're at the beginning of this song
00:28:10	midknight2k3	and you want the next
00:28:16	track	its just a case of allocating a portion of the ram for your 5sec buffer mid
00:28:18	midknight2k3	when you press >> it waits for the hard drive then buffers then plays
00:28:29	midknight2k3	i'm planning a preload of that 5 secs
00:28:38	midknight2k3	so that we can go next without waiting for the hard drive
00:28:42	track	cool
00:28:43	midknight2k3	though it WILL spin up
00:28:45	track	sounds feasible
00:28:49	midknight2k3	bust
00:28:51	midknight2k3	but*
00:28:53	midknight2k3	lol
00:28:56	track	heehee
00:29:17	track	Mid have you seen the Thompson Lyra AV device?
00:29:19	track	looks pretty neat
00:29:32	BoD[]	anyway i go to bed
00:29:33	BoD[]	bye
00:29:40	midknight2k3	bye
00:29:46	track	night bod
00:29:48	midknight2k3	i think it has somewhere to do with this code:
00:29:49	midknight2k3	if (num_tracks_in_memory() > 1)
00:29:49	midknight2k3	{
00:29:49	DBUG	Enqueued KICK midknight2k3
00:29:49	midknight2k3	/* We have to reload the current track */
00:29:49	midknight2k3	close(mpeg_file);
00:29:49	***	Alert Mode level 1
00:29:49	DBUG	Enqueued KICK track
00:29:49	midknight2k3	remove_all_non_current_tags();
00:29:51	midknight2k3	mpeg_file = -1;
00:29:53	midknight2k3	}
00:29:59	track	oh right
00:30:07	track	is that actual C code?
00:30:11	midknight2k3	yes
00:30:21		Quit BoD[] ("TCL 4EVA")
00:30:24	track	C seems a bit like BASIC, very English-orientated
00:30:29	midknight2k3	no
00:30:31	midknight2k3	that's just the functions
00:30:36	track	lol
00:30:37	midknight2k3	they have a LOT in mpeg.c
00:30:39	midknight2k3	to make it more readable
00:30:43	track	yea
00:30:44	midknight2k3	but parts are
00:31:00	track	midknight do u use linux or windows?
00:31:11	midknight2k3	windows atm :(
00:31:15	track	oh
00:31:15	midknight2k3	mandrake has issues installing
00:31:21	track	there is a version of LinuX that can run off the CD
00:31:23	midknight2k3	so i may just have to try redhat
00:31:25	track	im gonna try it tommorow
00:31:26	midknight2k3	i know
00:31:29	track	its called Knobbit
00:31:34	track	sorry Knobbix
00:31:50	midknight2k3	knoppix
00:31:55	track	yea thats the one
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00:32:02	track	there is a 700Mb ISO file for download
00:32:08	midknight2k3	yes track
00:39:50	***	Alert Mode OFF
00:51:26	midknight2k3	zagor
00:51:32	midknight2k3	do we have menu functions in the plugin API?
00:52:02	Zagor	no
00:52:13	midknight2k3	crap tastic.
00:52:33	Zagor	if you need it, add it. it's simple.
00:52:35	track	what is the API?
00:52:40	midknight2k3	yes
00:52:43	midknight2k3	but zagor
00:52:49	midknight2k3	then we all have to change
00:53:07	midknight2k3	i'll just see how "star.c
00:53:08	midknight2k3	does it
00:53:15	midknight2k3	OR
00:53:30	midknight2k3	i could do #include "../menu.h"
00:53:31	midknight2k3	couldnt i
00:53:41	Zagor	no
00:53:48	midknight2k3	awwwwww
00:54:25	track	lol
00:54:49	midknight2k3	looks complicated
00:54:55	midknight2k3	can you add it to cvs?
00:55:15	Zagor	not until a patch needs it
00:55:20	midknight2k3	mine does
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00:55:29	midknight2k3	well
00:55:33	midknight2k3	:\
00:55:35	midknight2k3	:\|
00:55:36	midknight2k3	:/
00:55:41	Zagor	just add it
00:55:48	midknight2k3	i can try
00:55:53	midknight2k3	watch me blow it lol
00:56:01	midknight2k3	good thing TextPad features full undo ability
00:56:05	Zagor	that's how you learn
00:57:15	track	Zagor what is this api?
00:57:25	midknight2k3	it's how you control stuff
00:57:26	Zagor	the plugin api
00:57:31	midknight2k3	the plugin api is all we can do in plugins
00:57:35	midknight2k3	it excludes a lot of stuff
00:57:39	midknight2k3	but does at least the basics
00:57:44	track	ahh right
00:58:02	track	mid u got the file??
00:58:09	midknight2k3	so instead of using scary lcd code we can just use lcd_drawline
00:58:11	midknight2k3	yes lookig
00:58:21	track	:)
00:58:34	midknight2k3	yeah! looks nice!
00:58:39	track	:)
00:58:40	track	thanks
00:59:05	track	My digital camera struggled to focus due to the light reflecting off the LCD
00:59:11	Jet8810	hmm
00:59:14	Jet8810	I wanna dual boot linux and xp
00:59:16	track	Mid u saw my repainted F1 button?
00:59:20	Jet8810	pretty much total linux newbie
00:59:22	Jet8810	used mandrake a little
00:59:27	Jet8810	which distro should I use?
00:59:41	midknight2k3	mandrake
00:59:46	midknight2k3	track: LOL
00:59:49	midknight2k3	its pretty messy
01:00
01:00:00	Jet8810	heh midknight, again?
01:00:06	midknight2k3	?
01:00:06	track	its silver nail varnish
01:00:07	Jet8810	the rpms ne-ver really worked though...
01:00:13	track	after scratching the F1 button
01:00:14	midknight2k3	ok fine redhat
01:00:14	Jet8810	I tried mandrake for a few days once
01:00:34	Jet8810	well, is there a difference
01:00:34	Jet8810	?
01:00:38	Jet8810	like, teach me, im ignorant
01:00:39	Jet8810	lol
01:00:58	midknight2k3	mandrake is better
01:01:27	Jet8810	why
01:01:33	midknight2k3	it's cool
01:01:40	midknight2k3	i know these things.
01:01:41	midknight2k3	trust me
01:01:49	midknight2k3	you can download it free why bother with arguing
01:01:52	track	jet midknight is a very smart man
01:01:56	midknight2k3	yeah
01:01:58	track	don't argue wiv him
01:01:58	Jet8810	lol
01:01:59	midknight2k3	what track said
01:02:02	Jet8810	ok, ill research it online
01:02:04	midknight2k3	yay
01:02:07	Jet8810	thanks anyways
01:02:07	Jet8810	lol
01:02:09	track	jet try knoppix
01:02:16	track	it doesn't need to be on the HD
01:02:20	Jet8810	everybody has their own favorite
01:02:22	Jet8810	eh?
01:02:42	midknight2k3	thats not permanent track
01:02:45	track	anyway back to the VU meters
01:02:46	midknight2k3	its not for real linux users
01:02:56	track	well its good for those who want to try it out
01:03:12	midknight2k3	he wants it
01:03:13	midknight2k3	not to try
01:03:14	midknight2k3	to use
01:03:24	track	Knoppix squeezes 2Gb of data into a 700Mb ISO file
01:03:27	track	pretty neat compression
01:03:35	midknight2k3	it snot 2gb of data
01:03:40	midknight2k3	its not*
01:03:48	Jet8810	well I want to try/use
01:03:51	Jet8810	would be fun project
01:04:08	midknight2k3	?
01:04:12	midknight2k3	knoppix?
01:04:24	track	the version of linuxs
01:04:28	Jet8810	linux
01:04:37	Jet8810	i mean who knows, maybe id switch from windows one day
01:04:41	midknight2k3	yes
01:04:43	midknight2k3	i wish
01:04:45	Jet8810	it sjust kind ahard when the whole world uses windows
01:04:45	Jet8810	lol
01:04:48	midknight2k3	but my mandrake wont install
01:04:55	Jet8810	porque?
01:04:57	midknight2k3	i downloaded it twice
01:05:01	midknight2k3	so ill just try redhat
01:06:25	Jet8810	yea
01:06:30	Jet8810	I wish I still had mandrake ceds
01:06:33	Jet8810	downloading it all is a pain
01:06:41		Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
01:06:43	Jet8810	especially cuz my burner might be broken
01:06:46	midknight2k3	er
01:06:47	midknight2k3	lol
01:06:51	midknight2k3	its just half an hour
01:06:56	midknight2k3	if it doesnt work no biggy
01:06:57	midknight2k3	\
01:07:04	Jet8810	heh
01:07:05	Jet8810	half an hour?
01:07:08	Jet8810	isnt it like 3 isos?
01:07:12	midknight2k3	just one for install
01:07:16	midknight2k3	extras if you want them
01:07:33	Jet8810	ah ok
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01:13:14	track	where did Zagor go?
01:13:22	midknight2k3	he left
01:13:29	track	:(
01:13:37	midknight2k3	i know
01:13:40	midknight2k3	p.p.p. zagor
01:13:42	Jet8810	heh
01:13:43	midknight2k3	jk
01:13:45	track	oi!
01:14:02	track	midknight there is someone I love to call P.P.P but I won't
01:14:03	track	lol
01:14:10	midknight2k3	oh shut up!
01:14:14	track	:))
01:14:20	track	u worked it out pretty fast!!!
01:14:57	track	:D
01:15:09	midknight2k3	guijb\
01:15:10	midknight2k3	njmy
01:15:12	midknight2k3	\\
01:15:34	track	lol
01:15:43	track	he hasn't been in sourceforge for some time nwo
01:15:44	track	now
01:15:56	midknight2k3	can you just shut up about mikeholden
01:16:14	track	lol
01:16:19	midknight2k3	please track
01:16:19	track	u called Zagor ppp
01:16:22	track	not very nice
01:16:23	track	lol
01:16:23	track	ok
01:16:24	track	:)
01:16:26	midknight2k3	i was also jk
01:16:29	track	me 2
01:16:29	track	:D
01:16:30	midknight2k3	what is ppp anyways
01:16:37	midknight2k3	did you make it up
01:16:41	track	no someone at work did
01:16:46	midknight2k3	lol
01:16:49	midknight2k3	someone calls you this?
01:16:54	track	no
01:16:56	midknight2k3	is this where you get your insults?
01:16:59	midknight2k3	kidding :)
01:16:59	track	its a long story
01:17:01	track	:)
01:17:32	track	I feel sorry for Player owners
01:17:37	midknight2k3	why
01:17:37	track	they are missing out on all the action
01:18:05	track	missing out on the Recorders' fun and games
01:18:26	midknight2k3	charcells are nice
01:18:36	track	yea but there isnt' a lot u can do with them
01:18:39	track	no graphics or anything
01:19:22	track	u can't even use the entire matrix of charcells as a graphical area
01:19:23	Jet8810	the player sucks
01:19:31	Jet8810	so much more then the recorder AND IPOD
01:19:31	Jet8810	lol
01:19:38	midknight2k3	wtf
01:19:39	midknight2k3	no
01:19:42	midknight2k3	ipod is worse than all
01:19:55	track	man, 2 lines of 11character cells? thats just GAY!
01:20:50	track	lol
01:26:36	Jet8810	haha
01:26:43	Jet8810	thats so much worse then ipod midknight
01:26:44	Jet8810	come on
01:26:49	midknight2k3	yes
01:26:53	midknight2k3	ipod sleek secksay
01:27:00	midknight2k3	i mean, its not
01:27:01	midknight2k3	its ugly
01:29:16	Jet8810	haha
01:29:19	Jet8810	you slipped
01:29:20	Jet8810	admit it!
01:29:22	midknight2k3	i didnt
01:29:24	Jet8810	it is sleek and sexy
01:29:24	midknight2k3	its ugly
01:29:27	Jet8810	and has better then 11 char cells
01:29:29	midknight2k3	and its ugly and its shiny
01:29:32	Jet8810	heh
01:29:36	Jet8810	its white buddy
01:29:37	midknight2k3	and it has very nice animations
01:29:42	Jet8810	archos is silver
01:29:43	track	and its extrememly popular
01:29:43	midknight2k3	i mean
01:29:44	Jet8810	silver is shinier then white
01:29:46	midknight2k3	its very ugly
01:29:50	Jet8810	heh
01:29:53	midknight2k3	ipod is chrome
01:29:53	Jet8810	thats subjective
01:29:54	midknight2k3	on back
01:29:58	Jet8810	yea
01:30:00	Jet8810	but nobody sees the back
01:30:06	Jet8810	i put it in neoprene case anyway
01:30:08	Jet8810	needs protection
01:30:12	midknight2k3	fu
01:30:25	Jet8810	heh
01:30:29	Jet8810	somebodys angry :)
01:30:39	midknight2k3	no
01:30:42	midknight2k3	just angry
01:30:42	Jet8810	i mjust messin with ya btw, so dont like really get mad
01:31:31	Jet8810	at me?
01:31:37	midknight2k3	no
01:31:38	midknight2k3	just at you
01:32:35	Jet8810	heh
01:32:37	Jet8810	sorry then
01:33:28	midknight2k3	jk
01:33:33	midknight2k3	ACRONYMSPEAK!
01:33:37	midknight2k3	jk np yw ty
01:33:51	midknight2k3	vu asap
01:34:34	Jet8810	aaah
01:34:35	Jet8810	lol
01:35:00	midknight2k3	uhbi
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04:03:03	Tigren	does the jukebox have the capability of playing ogg?
04:03:28	midknight2k3	no
04:04:11	Tigren	gah
04:04:21	Tigren	because it doesnt have a decoder?
04:04:31	midknight2k3	have a look at the docs because it says right in there
04:04:33	midknight2k3	it has a decoder
04:04:38	midknight2k3	it can't do ogg
04:04:43	Tigren	right, no ogg decoder...?
04:05:02	midknight2k3	no players have a real ogg decoder
04:05:09	midknight2k3	there are just ones capable of decoding it and some not
04:05:39	Tigren	what about the jukebox though, makes it not capable?
04:05:41	midknight2k3	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/nodo.html#5
04:05:50	midknight2k3	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/nodo.html#6
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11:13:36	c0utta	linus, when i do a "cvs update -dP", does this sync my local copy with cvs ?
11:13:45	LinusN	yes
11:15:27	c0utta	if it cannot sync properly, i am left with a .rej file and must manually update. correct ?
11:16:54	LinusN	yes
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13:26:19	oxygen77	hello
13:27:00	oxygen77	I have some cross sompiling problems
13:27:08	oxygen77	can anybody help me?
13:28:15	c0utta	i'm an amateur, but maybe i can help
13:28:37	oxygen77	oki I'm working on avos project
13:28:51	oxygen77	but this can apply here too
13:29:20	oxygen77	I'm trying to compile a code that seems to use libgcc
13:29:39	oxygen77	but on link in can't find some ref
13:29:55	oxygen77	as if the libgcc wasen't used
13:30:13	oxygen77	so how can I make ld use this lib?
13:32:44	c0utta	i'm using winxp for a start
13:32:58	c0utta	i can see that libgcc is included in the .map files
13:33:56	oxygen77	maybe it's my crosscompiler build that is wrong
13:38:13	c0utta	i'm using cygwin and i can't see a direct reference to libgcc anywhere
13:38:53	c0utta	i can see the crosscompiler being used so i assume that's how libgcc is being referenced
13:40:56	oxygen77	well thx trying to rebuild
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19:42:18	Silencio^	hi excuse me
19:42:27	s\|aint	i have a problem lol...i downloaded the rockbox files and unzipped them onto my jukebox recorder 20...and then switched it on...it loaded fine, and the menus worked fine, but i got a "dir buffer overload" (or something like that), and i can browse directors, go into them and into subdirectors, but no mp3s (or any files) actually show (and therefore won't play)...any ideas? pleease?
19:42:29	Silencio^	does rockbox read the musepack format
19:42:41	Silencio^	?
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19:53:26	MT	Silencio^: rockbox supports mp3 and mp3 alone
19:54:22	track	Silencio, only MP3 is supported by the hardware, no WAV, WMA or OGG or ATRAC3
19:56:03	s\|aint	i have a problem lol...i downloaded the rockbox files and unzipped them onto my jukebox recorder 20...and then switched it on...it loaded fine, and the menus worked fine, but i got a "dir buffer overload" (or something like that), and i can browse directors, go into them and into subdirectors, but no mp3s (or any files) actually show (and therefore won't play)...any ideas? pleease?
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20:03:03	s\|aint	help?
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20:05:20	Sil^a	track thx and thx mbr_
20:05:23	Sil^a	track thx and thx mt
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20:27:14	track	hi Hardeep
20:29:42	hardeep	hi
20:35:53	track	i saw u "Fixed" a lot of requests on the Feature requests page
20:37:19	hardeep	a bunch of requests had not been closed after the 2.1 release
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20:50:29	track	yea i saw
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21:50:32	Cosmo`	lo
21:50:42	Cosmo`	i was talking to someone in here about buying an MP3 player the other day
21:50:51	Cosmo`	make yourself known! :P
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22:14:10	hardeep	heya Bagder
22:14:16	Bagder	howdy
22:15:29	Cosmo`	lo guys
22:15:46	track_	hi
22:15:58	Cosmo`	anyone here in the UK?
22:16:03	track_	yea
22:16:05	track_	cosmo
22:16:19	Cosmo`	you ever ordered anything from the US m8?
22:16:31	track_	only downloadable stuff
22:16:38	Cosmo`	hmm
22:16:46	Cosmo`	im trying to get my head round the taxes etc
22:16:57	track_	oh
22:17:14	track_	im quite impressed with midknight2k3s vu meter plugin enhancement
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22:19:30	track_	Hi Scott
22:20:12	track_	cosmo what are u trying to order?
22:20:17	Cosmo`	mp3 player
22:20:21	track_	which one?
22:20:31	Cosmo`	i just bought one recently, but its awful and broken, hopefully i'll get a refund
22:20:36	track_	which model?
22:20:44	Cosmo`	well, i just recently bought an XClef
22:20:47	track_	oh
22:21:02	MT	cosmo: you have to pay duty, and then VAT on top
22:21:19	MT	cosmo: only, royal mail is so shit, 50% of the time you get away with paying nothinh
22:22:12	Cosmo`	oh man
22:22:14	MT	last year a friend and I got in on some dirt cheap hard drives, £70 for 160gb including shipping, I paid £15 duty and vat, he paid £0
22:22:21	Cosmo`	i see ...
22:22:22	Cosmo`	well ...
22:22:31	Cosmo`	if i can get a refund on this XClef
22:22:34	Cosmo`	cos its a piece of junk
22:22:39	Cosmo`	i aint keeping this, it cost me £200
22:22:47	MT	when did you buy it?
22:22:52	Cosmo`	sunday
22:22:58	Cosmo`	i got it yesterday heh
22:23:05	MT	then inform them NOW that you want to return it
22:23:12	Cosmo`	i cant do it now, i plan to do it tommorow
22:23:17	track_	whats new in rockbox?
22:23:26	Cosmo`	i would also reccomend to everyone that they dont buy one
22:23:38	MT	under the distance purchasing laws you can return anything you decide you dont want within 7 days
22:23:46	MT	after 7 days you have no rights
22:23:49	Cosmo`	yep
22:23:51	Cosmo`	cooling off period
22:23:58	Cosmo`	btw
22:24:05	track_	hope midknight2k3 comes here soon
22:24:08	Cosmo`	get an XClef if you like listen to music through a Tin Can ;)
22:24:09	MT	btw, whats wrong with the xclef?
22:24:18	MT	i was going to get 2
22:24:24	Cosmo`	sorry m8, some of the buttons dont seem to work properly
22:24:28	Cosmo`	and the sound quality is really really bad
22:24:55	MT	hmm, I wonder whats that down to
22:25:01	Cosmo`	i have no idea
22:25:06	MT	its a crying shame, the xclef looked so promising
22:25:06	Cosmo`	but basically ...
22:25:12	Cosmo`	i used to have a £90 Minidisc
22:25:13	Cosmo`	portable
22:25:23	Cosmo`	the sound on the XClef reminds me of that with bass and treble completely off
22:25:26	MT	its got such a powerful PSU and MASSES of RAM
22:25:31	MT	er
22:25:33	MT	PSU/CPU
22:25:35	Cosmo`	the MD knocks the socks off it from a sound quality perspective
22:25:35	MT	:/
22:25:37	MT	im ill
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22:25:53	MT	I should hope it did!
22:26:05	track_	yea Cosmo with the new NetMD devices theres too much copy-restrictions
22:26:22	Cosmo`	i know
22:26:26	Cosmo`	i got rid of it
22:26:32	Cosmo`	but the Sound Quality on those units is brilliant
22:26:39	Cosmo`	either that or the sound quality on the XClef is a joke
22:26:46	track_	well when u think about it MP3 sound quality is excellent als
22:26:47	track_	also
22:26:51	Cosmo`	thing is
22:27:03	Cosmo`	i thought it might just be the ATRAC3 but then its all come from the same source files
22:27:14	track_	but atrac3 only has 3 compression settings
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22:27:43	MT	the xclef does all its audio processing with the cpu
22:27:47	track	dunno why there was an underscript at the end of my id
22:27:48	Cosmo`	im still annoyed about it, the XClef is nice but it makes everything sound so terrible
22:28:03	Cosmo`	i've got two nice pairs of headphones and it sounds really bad on both
22:28:06	track	Get an Archos
22:28:12	track	thats what rockbox is all about
22:28:21	MT	when I say fast, its got more than 15 x the power of the archos
22:28:27	Cosmo`	i was gonna get an Archos
22:28:34	Cosmo`	but someone reccomended i dont get the FM Recorder
22:28:49	track	the FMR is discontinued anyway
22:28:49	Cosmo`	i think my unit must be duff then ... something aint right
22:28:53	track	I think Bagder has an FMR
22:29:08	Cosmo`	i wanted a G-Mini too heh, couldnt find anywhere that sold them though
22:29:18	Ctcp	Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 2 hours and 16 minutes at the last flood
22:29:18	*	Bagder has a recorder 20 v1
22:29:33	MT	track: but there has been talk of branching out and finding newer architectures to port rockbox too
22:29:39	*	Cosmo` has an XClef ... SPIT
22:29:40	track	sorry bagder, beg your pardon, I thought u had an FMR
22:29:47	MT	which is why ive been considering getting a couple
22:29:59	MT	one for me, one for these helpful swedes :)
22:30:13	Cosmo`	either im seriously overestimating what the XClef should be able to do
22:30:13	track	I quite like the iRiver but I hate those stupid built-in battereis
22:30:15	MT	(as I have no hope by myself of doing the port)
22:30:15	Cosmo`	or its broken
22:30:18	Cosmo`	but something is so wrong
22:30:29	Cosmo`	it shouldnt annoy me to listen to it
22:30:40	MT	Cosmo: the reviews I read of the xclef said it had good sound quality
22:30:55	MT	http://www.reviewcentre.com/review29952.html
22:31:05	MT	it maybe a duff unit
22:31:19	track	Im not sure if Rockbox will ever work on non-Archos devices
22:31:27	Bagder	neo
22:31:32	MT	why is that track?
22:31:40	Bagder	it already works on neo
22:31:47	Cosmo`	"Great quality sound reproduction"
22:31:48	Cosmo`	cough
22:31:52	Cosmo`	i must have a duff unit then
22:31:56	track	really? Theres no mention of it on the site Daniel
22:32:03	track	unless im blind ;-)
22:32:10	MT	but to all extents and purposes, isnt the neo virtually the same architecture?
22:32:20	MT	you can download neo builds on the daily page track...
22:32:24	Bagder	track: there's still a few flaws left to iron out
22:32:28	track	oh right
22:32:35	track	I still have my ancient Recorder 10
22:32:36	track	still works
22:32:46	Cosmo`	argg ... im really annoyed about this ... its such a nice little gadget, i really want to keep it
22:32:51	Cosmo`	but it pains me to listen to it :\|
22:33:25	MT	ah hmm, you cant download them, but they are listed on the CVS compile status :)
22:33:44	track	you should try to audition a player first before buying one next time
22:33:46	Bagder	MT: they don't boot properly yet, so its just as good ;-)
22:33:58	Cosmo`	im going to try and return this one
22:34:03	Cosmo`	or solve the problem ... or something
22:34:10	Cosmo`	this is a good player but why it sounds so bad ... i dont know
22:34:31	track	For some reason when I resample files into small vbr files the ID3 tags are lost
22:34:35	track	this is using Musicmatch
22:34:44	MT	Cosmo: i assume you got it from advancedmp3players.co.uk ?
22:34:46	Cosmo`	yep
22:34:55	Cosmo`	i've posted on their forums about it
22:35:02	MT	have you tried updating the firmware?
22:35:08	Cosmo`	latest version m8 ;)
22:35:12	Cosmo`	that was the first thing i did
22:35:29	MT	do you mind if i pick your brains about it
22:35:35	Cosmo`	not at all
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22:35:42	MT	the firmware updates, how do they work?
22:35:55	MT	you put the firmware bin on the hd
22:35:57	Cosmo`	you connect it to the USB2.0 port ... and it appears as a local disk
22:36:00	track	Im curious if ROckbox will ever work on the ipod
22:36:02	MT	yep
22:36:06	Cosmo`	and you simply bung the file in a specified folder on the XClef
22:36:09	MT	not to track :)
22:36:12	Cosmo`	and it boots with the new firmware
22:36:20	Bagder	track: I doubt that
22:36:31	track	well ive read somewhere linux is being ported
22:36:31	MT	what happens if you then delete the firmware from that folder?
22:36:38	MT	does it revert to the previous version?
22:36:44	Bagder	track: linux is ported
22:36:44	track	there was a screenshot of an ipod with linux on its lcd
22:36:46	Cosmo`	no
22:36:49	Bagder	but can't play mp3 at full speed
22:36:54	Cosmo`	it removes it from the folder when you update it for some reason
22:36:54	track	oh right
22:36:55	track	.
22:37:10	track	Is there a better MP3 software other than musicmatch?
22:37:19	Cosmo`	Winamp of course heh
22:37:23	MT	damn, so it finds the firmware, then flashes it to rom, then runs it
22:37:29	track	for ripping Cosmo
22:37:33	Cosmo`	CDex
22:37:35	Cosmo`	is what i use
22:37:49	MT	lame/exactaudiocopy
22:37:50	track	well sometimes I need to resample files, make them smaller
22:37:54	*	Cosmo` bangs head against table
22:38:08	track	I have an MP3 player in the car, takes MP3s on CDs
22:38:16	Cosmo`	im beggining to wonder if im just expecting too much of this
22:38:18	track	so I like to make the files smaller to squeeze more onto 1 CD
22:38:22	Cosmo`	but it does not sound good AT ALL
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22:40:20	MT	i wouldnt expect it to sound great, but it should sound good
22:40:55	MT	i think you've got it spot on to return it and ask for a different one, and then return that if its not good
22:41:00	Cosmo`	its bearable ... but not pleasant
22:41:12	Cosmo`	you know when you get say ...
22:41:14	track	Cosmo have you tried different brands of headphones?
22:41:16	Cosmo`	a really cheap MP3 player
22:41:21	Cosmo`	yep i've tried my two nice pairs
22:41:48	track	dunno
22:41:57	track	I used my first linux distribution today
22:42:02	Cosmo`	hehe
22:42:20	track	i tried the Knoppix distribution as its free and can run from CD-R
22:42:35	Cosmo`	i installed Linux for the first time a little while back
22:42:40	Cosmo`	i've now got a PC running RedHat
22:42:48	track	trouble is, my sound card didn't work in Knoppix
22:43:16	track	i have a Santa Cruz sound card
22:43:38	Cosmo`	right
22:43:48	Cosmo`	hmm ... ever used a cheap music player
22:43:49	MT	thats a rebadged something else
22:43:52	Cosmo`	with cheap headphones
22:43:52	MT	i forget which
22:43:55	MT	sonic fury
22:43:57	Cosmo`	and had the bass and treble turned off?
22:44:10	track	Turtle Beach make the Santa Cruz
22:44:23	MT	videologic sonic fury
22:44:29	MT	exact same chipset
22:44:42	track	well its still a great soundboard
22:44:56	track	Is there a real difference between a soundcard and onboard sound?
22:46:10	Cosmo`	bah, i gotta listen to some music to calm myself down
22:46:11	MT	hooo
22:46:17	MT	yes/no
22:46:19	Cosmo`	cant decide what though heh
22:46:20	MT	take your pick
22:46:46	track	Has Adiamas left Rockbox?
22:46:51	track	he hasn't been around for ages
22:47:06	MT	your card actually has a cirrus logic chip, which is what a lot of onboard devices do
22:47:19	track	cool
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22:49:04	MT	http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Turtle+Beach&card=Santa+Cruz&chip=CS4630&module=cs46xx
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22:50:38	Cosmo`	to think i could be taking all my Pink Floyd albums to school with me
22:50:39	Cosmo`	bah !
22:51:08	MT	oooh, i like you
22:51:26	Cosmo`	Prog Rock is the best, no doubt about it ;)
22:51:37	MT	hey track, buy your 10gb recorder off you for $75
22:51:41	MT	hey track, buy your 10gb recorder off you for £75
22:51:43	track	lol
22:51:46	track	its pretty worn out
22:51:48	track	but it still works
22:52:11	track	not my fault Rockbox improved it so much ive been using it much more than the archos firmware :-)
22:52:20	MT	you know archos' go for ridiculous prices on ebay
22:52:33	MT	ive seen the 6gb players going for £130
22:52:34	track	yea
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22:52:40	track	yeuch
22:52:46	track	no-one likes the players anymore
22:52:57	Cosmo`	i need to get something cheap lol
22:53:02	Cosmo`	i cant spend more than £200 really
22:53:03	track	DO NOT get a player
22:53:05	MT	i almost got one for £50 the other day, but it was already sold
22:53:06	track	they are rubbish
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22:53:37	MT	the only archos worth getting is the only one you cant lay your hands on anymore
22:53:51	track	:(
22:54:27	Cosmo`	im running out of options now
22:54:42	MT	http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3072999633&category=48451
22:55:06	track	buy a second-hand iPod
22:55:08	track	:-)
22:55:11	Cosmo`	ugh
22:55:14	Cosmo`	i dont like those things
22:55:21	Cosmo`	i always thought the sound quality was pretty bad on them
22:55:29	MT	best mp3 player available
22:55:50	Cosmo`	i've listened to my mates
22:55:54	Cosmo`	sounds like the XClef, all flat and horrible
22:56:04	Cosmo`	i bet all MP3 players sound like that and i cant win
22:56:28	track	cosmo its compressed audio
22:56:35	MT	ah, if your xclef sounds like his archos, its probably doing well
22:56:43	Cosmo`	no i mean
22:56:44	Cosmo`	his ipod
22:56:55	Cosmo`	i've tried other peoples ipods and still felt unhappy with the sound
22:57:39	track	I wonder what MAS the Ipod uses
22:58:09	Bagder	no mas at all
22:58:20	Bagder	its a "secret" ARM SMP thing
22:58:23	track	???
22:58:41	track	sounds weird ;-)
22:58:55	Bagder	not really
22:59:00	Bagder	they do it all in the CPU
22:59:02	MT	MAS is just the first three letters of all micronas parts numbers isnt it?
22:59:09	track	yea
22:59:15	MT	does it have some other significant meaning?
22:59:28	Bagder	not that I know of
22:59:29	track	So MT anyone could buy a MAS from Micronas and build an MP3 player out of it?
22:59:37	MT	track: the xclef does everything in hardware too
22:59:40	Bagder	track: yes
22:59:44	MT	well archos did ;p
22:59:50	track	cool
22:59:58	MT	nnng, my typos tonight ..
23:00
23:00:07	Cosmo`	i might try this XClef again
23:00:10	Cosmo`	aggh i want to use it
23:00:12	Cosmo`	why does it taunt me
23:00:13	MT	xclef does everything in _software_, slightly different
23:00:14	Cosmo`	:/
23:00:43	track	For some reason I was thinking of the Strongarm processor
23:01:44	Cosmo`	well guys
23:01:51	Cosmo`	i'd appreciate your help setting up the eq on the XClef
23:01:56	Cosmo`	i dont really understand how it works heh
23:02:01	Cosmo`	i just messed with it until it sounded half decent
23:02:04	track	is the Archos processor a Samsung SH1?
23:02:17	MT	hitachi isnt it?
23:02:27	track	thats the HD in my archos MT
23:02:46	Bagder	hitachi
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23:03:10	Bagder	sh7034
23:03:19	track	well MT the iPod is a fairly mixed bag. a Sony battery, a Toshiba HD, a Texas Instruments decoder
23:04:18	MT	most of these things are ICs manufactured by other companies and then assembled by the 'manufacturer'
23:04:25	track	yea
23:04:32	track	these companies should make their own components ;-)
23:04:47	MT	then we wouldnt be able to get docs
23:05:29	track	lol
23:05:31	track	i suppose so
23:05:49	Cosmo`	not sure what to do about this XClef tbh ...
23:05:53	MT	Bagder: do you think theres much chance of porting rockbox to other platforms, non sh-1?
23:06:00	Cosmo`	some tracks seem to sound better than others
23:06:04	MT	i'll buy it from you £50, final offer
23:06:10	Cosmo`	but all have some sort of flatness
23:06:21	Cosmo`	i've probably just over estimated it
23:06:28	Cosmo`	should have never sold my MD in the first place lol
23:06:35	Bagder	MT: I think there's a fair chance, yes
23:06:47	Bagder	I know zagor has bought one to make a try
23:07:20	Bagder	it takes a lot of drivers to get written
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23:08:01	MT	Bagder: Zagor has already bought one? lol, I was planning on buying one of you three one to play with :)
23:08:32	Bagder	MT: not an xclef though
23:08:39	Bagder	another non-sh1 unit
23:08:39	MT	oh, whats he bought?
23:08:42	Cosmo`	AGHHHH
23:08:49	Cosmo`	thats just annoying
23:08:53	Bagder	I'd rather let him tell the news when he feels like it
23:09:00	MT	ok sure
23:09:10	MT	sorry, didnt mean to pressurise :)
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23:09:28	Bagder	he also ordered a Neo
23:09:31	Bagder	which is sh1
23:09:59	Bagder	expensive little beast
23:10:08	MT	I dont like the neo, not after what they did with the code
23:10:16	MT	and the price IS high :)
23:10:42	Bagder	it would be nice to offer a "real rockbox" for neo
23:10:49	[IDC]Dragon	Hi guys!
23:10:54	track	hi Dragon
23:11:00	Bagder	hey [IDC]Dragon
23:11:00	track	is the Neo a flash or HD device?
23:11:08	Bagder	hd
23:11:14	Bagder	pretty similar to archos
23:11:20	Bagder	but mainly for car use
23:11:24	track	oh yea
23:11:26	Bagder	they have a few models
23:11:28	Cosmo`	has anyone actually got an XClef?
23:11:38	track	I think Terratec also make a device built around the same MAS
23:11:45	[IDC]Dragon	off topic: please participate in my "fps survey":
23:11:46	[IDC]Dragon	http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-01/0741.shtml
23:12:30	MT	Cosmo: you have :)
23:12:30	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: I just posted my results...
23:13:03	[IDC]Dragon	whow, that was quick (too quick to get the temperature variations)
23:13:06	Cosmo`	apart from me
23:13:08	Cosmo`	:/
23:13:08	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: where are our anit-aliased fonts...
23:13:09	Cosmo`	arggg
23:13:14	Cosmo`	im gonna throw this against the wall soon
23:13:15	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: it's still on.
23:13:17	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:13:42	track	Where did the name Atadore come from?
23:13:51	track	for that font in Rockbxo
23:13:52	elinenbe	now after about 5 minutes its at 67.669
23:14:16	[IDC]Dragon	was my description of the pattern OK?
23:15:00	Cosmo`	rofl
23:15:03	Cosmo`	i cant believe what im doing
23:15:13	Cosmo`	going to a Fancy Dress party on Friday as Flavor Flav =P
23:15:33	track	Go dressed up as an Archos
23:15:34	track	:-)
23:15:39	Cosmo`	lol
23:15:39	Cosmo`	nah
23:15:43	Cosmo`	i need to find a clock
23:15:45	Cosmo`	and a chain
23:15:45	Cosmo`	haha
23:16:36	[IDC]Dragon	elinenbe: try to heat it up with charging and disk usage
23:17:02	[IDC]Dragon	(or sit on it)
23:22:09	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: I will restart it and do it again.
23:22:29	[IDC]Dragon	thanks
23:22:46		Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se")
23:22:47	elinenbe	heating
23:22:57	[IDC]Dragon	haha
23:23:37	[IDC]Dragon	it seems, with the previous video playback I was too fast.
23:24:05	[IDC]Dragon	71 fps is above what my LCD does
23:24:20	[IDC]Dragon	so it looked more grainy than it could
23:24:38	[IDC]Dragon	yesterday I made this tool and measured
23:24:58	[IDC]Dragon	then for the first time I played a video with a perfect match
23:25:08	[IDC]Dragon	looks amazing then
23:25:34	elinenbe	after a few minutes of constant disk access and holding it tight between my legs I am at 67.655 for stable lines (as stable as they go)
23:25:44	[IDC]Dragon	but a slowly moving pattern disturbes it
23:26:15	elinenbe	[IDC]Dragon: well, won't as the player heats up start slowly moving no matter what?
23:26:40	[IDC]Dragon	yes, unfortunately.
23:26:47	elinenbe	what is it set to right now?
23:26:57	[IDC]Dragon	but it was nice to once see what's possible.
23:26:59	elinenbe	I pulled the CVS yesterday.
23:27:13	[IDC]Dragon	it's set to 71 fps.
23:27:29	elinenbe	so Jörg let's get serious here....
23:27:34	[IDC]Dragon	can you compile?
23:27:40	elinenbe	yes and yes.
23:27:57	elinenbe	how long will it be until you get a ID3v2 tag cover viewer in here?
23:27:58	elinenbe	:D
23:27:59	[IDC]Dragon	so you can tune it to your value.
23:28:15	elinenbe	where is the setting?
23:28:21	[IDC]Dragon	I'm working on a JPEG viewer infact
23:28:34	[IDC]Dragon	but it'll take some time
23:28:42	elinenbe	nice!
23:29:09	[IDC]Dragon	first I want the A/V player out of the door
23:29:17	elinenbe	then that can be used for the attached images in tags :D
23:29:26	elinenbe	now I get stability at 67.221
23:29:49	elinenbe	( to heat it up I played 5 minutes of a 20 min video)
23:30:04	[IDC]Dragon	yours doesn't show a large variation
23:30:10	elinenbe	I am doing it aging...
23:30:22	elinenbe	what file is the setting in?
23:30:28	elinenbe	aging = again.
23:30:32	[IDC]Dragon	video.c
23:31:17	[IDC]Dragon	line 32
23:31:42	elinenbe	can I define it to be a decimal?
23:31:49	elinenbe	like 67.5?
23:32:02	elinenbe	or does it have to be an int?
23:32:11	[IDC]Dragon	no, but you can make it times 10 or so and compensate below
23:32:58	Cosmo`	man
23:33:00	Cosmo`	USB2.0 is QUICK
23:33:05	elinenbe	now stablity is 66.7 ish....
23:33:23	[IDC]Dragon	actually, times 8 would be better, but less inuitive to read
23:33:44	elinenbe	I will go with 67. My player is getting warm now though...
23:33:45	[IDC]Dragon	well, then set it to 67 and try it out
23:34:04	elinenbe	the problem with this is that watching video makes the player heat up the most.
23:34:14	elinenbe	you have to firgure out the heat delta
23:34:22	[IDC]Dragon	haha
23:34:23	elinenbe	and then use that to adjust the speed on the fly
23:34:40	[IDC]Dragon	the net player pauses the disk, like mp3 playback
23:34:47	[IDC]Dragon	net=new
23:35:04	elinenbe	I don't quite understand.
23:35:11	elinenbe	ah... I understand.
23:35:21	elinenbe	but what happens when the buffer runs out?
23:35:26	[IDC]Dragon	the disk is not running all the time any more
23:35:28	elinenbe	how long does the buffer last?
23:35:32	elinenbe	I have the new player here.
23:35:43	[IDC]Dragon	it buffers to the mp3 buffer
23:35:43	track	not bad, 228 songs on 1 700Mb CD-RW
23:35:59	elinenbe	I have almost a constant dim red light...
23:36:00	[IDC]Dragon	I have 8MB, so it lasts quite long.
23:36:30	elinenbe	what mAh batteries do you have?
23:36:35	[IDC]Dragon	the video bitrate is about 500kBit/s, so you can do the math
23:36:41	elinenbe	okay.
23:36:44	elinenbe	that's cool.
23:37:20	[IDC]Dragon	or 11264/8fps bytes per second
23:37:24	elinenbe	the jpg viewer is going to work on the fly?
23:37:29	[IDC]Dragon	no
23:38:02	[IDC]Dragon	it has to decode and halftone into the mp3 buffer first, then it can display
23:39:12	elinenbe	but, what I mean is you will not have to halftone it on the PC?
23:39:23	[IDC]Dragon	no
23:39:42	[IDC]Dragon	it just take a while to load it
23:39:54	[IDC]Dragon	but no offline conversion
23:40:04	[IDC]Dragon	(that you can do today)
23:40:10	Cosmo`	hmm
23:40:12	elinenbe	I know.
23:40:16	Cosmo`	the XClef sounds fine on my stereo ...
23:40:22	Cosmo`	but it dosen't seem to like my headphones
23:40:29	elinenbe	I was just wondering how long it would take to load let's say a jpg.
23:41:11	[IDC]Dragon	I don't know yet
23:41:22	elinenbe	and I was also wondering if you were going to have a scale or resize function in there?
23:41:30	elinenbe	now I am down to 66.2
23:41:48	elinenbe	and the lines are somewhat bothersome with it set to 67 when I play movies.
23:42:57	elinenbe	it looks like it could be hard to get something that will work perfectly for everyone...
23:43:10	elinenbe	I think you should just make up/down work in the video plugin too?
23:43:15	elinenbe	or is that not possible?
23:43:16	[IDC]Dragon	hmm, yes, therfore the survey
23:43:35	[IDC]Dragon	not with audio along
23:43:48	elinenbe	find the best value, and then every few minutes adjust it a little...
23:43:58	[IDC]Dragon	for video only or stills it would be feasible
23:44:06	elinenbe	now I wish I had compiled at 55
23:44:10	elinenbe	I am sorry −− 66
23:44:41	elinenbe	66 seems like a better number after a certain amount of time on....
23:44:52	[IDC]Dragon	the video has to be authored for the actual playback rate
23:45:13	elinenbe	oh −− I see.
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23:51:32	Cosmo`	lol
23:51:40	Cosmo`	XClef getting a bit hot as i transfer 20gig to it :S

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