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#rockbox log for 2004-03-15

00:06:44WeeD0pEis there a good tutoprial how to create a video with sound ?
00:07:41midknight2k3let me update mine
00:07:42midknight2k3RIGHT NOW
00:09:13WeeD0pEu got one ?
00:11:02WeeD0pEshow me :)
00:11:10silencerwell, noone can help me with this 'queue' function ?
00:12:12MTwhats to know?
00:12:21MTon+play an mp3, choose queue
00:13:22silenceri have no 'queue' !
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00:14:07WeeD0pEmidknight `?
00:14:16midknight2k3WeeD0pE: almost
00:14:17MTdo you have a .rockbox directory in your root?
00:14:20trackwhere do I find this "voice" file?
00:14:25midknight2k3track calm down
00:14:38trackyea but where do I find it?
00:14:40silencerMT: of course
00:14:46hardeepsilencer: It's accessed via ON+PLAY->Playlist->Queue
00:15:18silencerhardeep: no way to make it more accessible ?
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00:15:49hardeepsilencer: right now that's the only way to access it... it might be changed at some later point
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00:16:11silencerhardeep: thanx
00:16:32silencerWeeD0pE: is the voicefont fully functionnal ?
00:16:56WeeD0pEi dont know
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00:43:42elinenbehardeep: you there?
00:43:58midknight2k3*pretends to be hardeep*
00:44:40track*pretends to be midknight2k3*
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00:48:14mattzzfixed point math rules!
00:48:27mattzz3.9 secs for mandelbrot!
00:48:44mattzz(57secs with float.... bad boy!)
00:49:22mattzzjust had my first fixed point mandelbrot simulated... just another pointless plugin ;-)
00:50:08mattzzbut it _is_ fun!
00:50:27mattzzwhat is sizeof(long) on SH-1?
00:50:44trackI accidently erased my wps :-(
00:50:53*mattzz has to incease accuracy
00:52:54diddystar5mattzz, cant remember
00:53:45mattzzdiddystar5: 4
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01:09:43WeeD0pEheh now its works
01:09:52WeeD0pEvideo with audio
01:10:20midknight2k3weedope did you see my update
01:10:25midknight2k3hmm where is it
01:10:28midknight2k3i posted it
01:10:37WeeD0pEwehre ?
01:10:39WeeD0pEirc ?
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01:11:59WeeD0pEwhat was the topic ?
01:13:18midknight2k3it's brand new
01:13:20midknight2k3just posted it
01:13:39WeeD0pEcant see it
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01:45:46hardeepelinenbe: here now
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02:34:42NetFantomhmm Unregistered copy?
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02:34:55midknight2k3don't worry about it
02:35:16NetFantomI hava some problem You can help me?
02:35:38NetFantommy AV380 dosen't work
02:36:00NetFantombecause I instal bootloader 0.4a
02:36:18NetFantomand íust frozen
02:36:29NetFantomiust=just :)
02:36:36midknight2k3try F3+on?
02:36:46midknight2k3it's a known problem
02:36:49midknight2k3does it do anything?
02:37:07NetFantomjust green srean
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02:38:53NetFantomI'm again
02:39:33NetFantomso nothing else just green screen
02:40:45midknight2k3i just went to the avos-dev group
02:40:48midknight2k3and saw your message :)
02:41:11midknight2k3it may be that it's NTFS
02:41:22NetFantomMy english is very bad sorry
02:41:49midknight2k3it's pretty good :)
02:41:49NetFantomI try ntfs and try FAT32
02:42:02midknight2k3let me look
02:47:04midknight2k3may be something here
02:48:32NetFantomYes I try answer
02:48:43NetFantomBut dosen't work
02:48:55midknight2k3go to #avos
02:49:02midknight2k3just do /join #avos
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04:43:20scunneranyone having problems shuffling songs in playlists on the v2? mine works fine, but the wifes quits playing. buffer problem? ata problem? anything i can do?
04:43:38midknight2k3quits playing...?
04:44:31scunnerthe red light fires up and then the song quits...keep showing activity on the status bar, but no sound.
04:45:10midknight2k3red led dead possibl
04:46:08scunnerthat's what i think, but not sure. is this due to buffer? battery? was reading threads, but not sure what to make of it.
04:46:31midknight2k3has to do with rockbox's ata driver afaik
04:46:46midknight2k3not sure about it, never had it or even heard in depth about it
04:47:09scunnerok, still an issue then with the rockbox firmware?
04:47:56scunnerthat's cool. i can deal with that. it only does it with playlists anyway...folder wise, it works great.
04:48:11midknight2k3oh, odd, but good
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04:48:20midknight2k3instead of playlists just sort into folders? :D
04:49:33scunneryeah..that will have to do. i don't know why i would want to shuffle playlists anyway...hence "playlist"
04:49:49midknight2k3lol yes
04:50:25scunnerthanks, i'll keep my eye open for a rld fix in the future. later.
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04:51:20Luna@midknight2k3: where's that vid/aud tut !?
04:53:01midknight2k3Luna: should be at the mailinglist
04:54:12Lunasomeday ;-)
04:54:28midknight2k3is it not*?
04:55:29Lunai don't see it here:
04:59:56midknight2k3i have to go
05:00:05midknight2k3ill post it tomorrow if it doesnt show up
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06:21:30stevenmHey guys
06:21:39stevenmAnyone ever mention a file search feature ?
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11:25:03c0uttau there linus ?
11:27:17LinusNi read your email
11:27:53c0uttado you have any suggestions ?
11:28:30LinusNnot really
11:29:09LinusNif we want to avoid the warnings, we have to declare every function with an argiment
11:29:30LinusNhowever, is char * appropriate in all caes?
11:30:35c0uttano, I don't believe it is
11:30:43LinusNso void * would be better?
11:31:00c0uttai dfon't know - you're better with C than me
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11:31:07quelsarukgood morning
11:31:21LinusNif the pointer type can vary, it is customary to use void *
11:31:28LinusNhi quelsaruk
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11:31:55quelsarukhi LinusN :)
11:33:02c0uttareally, every function that can be associated with a button press should have a constant return type and parameter list
11:33:44LinusNlist? several arguments?
11:33:51c0uttayes, maybe
11:34:07LinusNlike printf, maybe?
11:34:27LinusNspeaking of arguments, i'm wondering about the quick_screen() function
11:34:33c0uttawhat is the special type for those parameters
11:34:56LinusNthe button argument
11:35:06quelsarukquick_screen is the f2/3 quick menu?
11:35:25quelsaruktalking about menus...
11:35:42LinusNi'm just thinking ahead, what to do with the quick_screen in the future
11:36:00quelsarukdid you take a quick look to that?
11:36:20LinusNquelsaruk: ehum.... :-)
11:36:34*LinusN whistles and looks away
11:36:37quelsarukLinusN, wat about customization?
11:36:43quelsarukdon't worry
11:37:24LinusNquelsaruk: we (c0utta) is looking into the customization
11:37:41c0uttawhy don't you like the button param ?
11:38:35quelsarukLinusN, i was just giving my opinion on quick_screen() :)
11:38:58LinusNc0utta: never mind, just had a temporary brain collapse :-)
11:39:42c0uttawe will be able to have customisable quickscreens based on context too
11:39:51c0uttayou probably gathered that
11:40:18*quelsaruk needs a lot of coffee
11:41:12c0uttaquelsaruk, iirc you're doing some work on menus too ?
11:41:55quelsaruki'm trying to do some kind of gfx menus
11:42:28c0uttagood stuff. gfx is way beyond my ability
11:43:43quelsarukthat is, settings that can be enabled/disabled only, would have a checkbox on the left, so "playing" it changes the setting. And the settings that have several options would enter a splash_menu where you can select the value with a selectbox :)
11:45:02quelsarukc0utta, i don't think so.. just playing a bit with splash windows and icons :)
11:45:03c0uttasounds good. the current way only being able to see one setting value at a time really annoys me
11:45:28quelsarukhehe... me too :)
11:46:56quelsaruki've done the checkbox stuff, but i have a lot of work to do with the splash menus
11:47:25quelsarukat least i've done a splash_menu()® function that works :)
11:48:29mattzzI'd like to see a sound settings dialog like in the archos firmware :-) that one was nice
11:48:45c0uttai would prefer menus to change settings so you can see all the options (assuming a recorder and only 8 options)
11:48:53*c0utta fires up the old firmware
11:49:55quelsarukbut c0utta, that's hard to implement, as people can use several fonts
11:50:52mattzzSound settings could be 8 sliders an one checkbox
11:51:04c0uttawow, i haven't used the old firmware for over a year
11:51:27c0uttai agree mattzz, the dialog looks good in the archos firmware
11:51:29mattzzBasically "volume" is kind of redundant
11:51:38c0uttathey had to get something right :)
11:51:53c0uttaquelsaruk, i meant use the existing menu system
11:52:08c0uttaor use yours!
11:52:30quelsaruki think it could be possible to implement that, but rewriting some of the menu code
11:52:32c0uttalinus, i was thinking of the va_list type
11:52:50c0uttayes, it's really just a grid
11:53:48LinusNc0utta: yes, va_list
11:54:37quelsarukmaybe a line with the setting, and below that, the numerical value and a rectangle showing graphically the value
11:55:54c0uttaquelsaruk, sounds good to me. sounds like you've nominated yourself
11:56:14*quelsaruk looks around
11:56:32quelsarukLinusN, have you heard something?
11:56:37quelsarukmaybe the wind ;)
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12:10:03quelsaruktime for a biiig coffee
12:10:05quelsarukcu later
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12:53:05c0utta{afk}linus, can i do: void func(...) ?
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12:53:48c0utta{afk}then call: va_start(ap) without the 2nd parameter ?
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12:56:36LinusNyou need at least one argument, afaik
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13:02:54c0uttayes, you're correct
13:08:48mattzzLinusN: did you check out the mandelbrot plugin?
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13:10:22LinusNno, i didn't
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13:49:44c0utta[idc]dragon is very sneaky
13:50:09c0uttait has taken me ages to work out that he inserted the STR macro
13:56:06LinusN"inserted the STR macro"?
14:00:13c0uttain menu.h
14:02:35c0uttai am in the process of changing the way that menus are initialised, so the STR tripped me up
14:03:44c0uttalinus, i've added an "action" code to menu_item
14:03:57c0uttai was going to create the menu_item and set the action code
14:04:15c0uttathen pass the struct to a function to set the description and function pointer
14:04:25c0uttais this ok ?
14:05:26LinusNok, so the menu_item list is filled with action codes, then passed to a function which fills in the desc and fptr for each item?
14:05:49c0uttathat would be even faster..
14:06:02c0uttai was just doing each menu_item, once at a time
14:06:13LinusNbut doesn't that imply that all menu items must be actions?
14:06:44c0uttathey are all actions - even a sub menu is an action
14:07:22LinusNwhere is the code for all actions?
14:07:50c0uttacode as in #define ?
14:07:59LinusNno, code as in functions
14:08:27LinusNah, i think i get it
14:08:41c0uttaall actions are associated with a function pointer that calls existing functions
14:09:00LinusNand action.c contains a list of all action codes and their respective function pointers
14:09:23c0uttaand their LANG
14:09:46LinusNso, to add a menu item, you need to edit the C file where the menu is, and add an entry to action.[ch]?
14:10:05c0uttaa large task
14:10:18LinusNnot necessarily
14:10:38c0uttamost menus are created in the variable declaration
14:11:29c0uttait took me about 6 hours last time (i have done this before in a "proof of concept")
14:13:23c0uttai must do all menus before submitting the next patch because there are many compilation errors
14:13:50c0uttawarnings, actually
14:16:17LinusNi thought the next step would be context-semsitivity?
14:17:23c0uttacontext sensitivity is built into what i'm doing
14:18:36c0uttamy main priority is to get a dynamic F2 menu working, reading from a file
14:18:43c0uttaand get that submitted as a patch
14:18:57LinusNand my main prio is context sensitivity
14:19:19c0uttaon F3 ?
14:20:15c0uttai have made some changes already:
14:20:16c0utta#define CONTEXT_WPS 0x0001
14:20:17c0utta#define CONTEXT_TREE 0x0002
14:20:38LinusNin action.h, right?
14:20:50c0uttathis context is also stored in the key mapping file
14:21:16c0utta0 = context_all
14:21:20c0utta512 = f2
14:21:25c0utta1 = sound_menu
14:21:46c0uttabased on this we can have context sensitivity for any action
14:22:11c0uttait's just that f2 (512) will always have context_all
14:23:20c0uttai don't believe i have to do anything else for context sensitivity
14:23:39LinusNi know
14:23:51c0uttayou just want it completed, don;t you ?
14:24:03LinusNit's just that my main concern is the context sensitivity, not the customization
14:24:41c0uttacustomisation must come before context sensitivity
14:25:13c0uttabecause everything is read from file
14:25:33c0uttano point in having context sensitivity if there's nothing to do
14:25:43c0uttahence the customisation
14:26:05LinusNf3 menus shouldn't be read from a file
14:26:30c0uttai disagree
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14:27:49c0uttaeventually all links between button presses and actions should reside in a config file
14:28:12c0uttagiving the user the ability to change everything
14:28:47LinusNso a corrupt or missing definition file renders rockbox useless?
14:29:06c0uttawe've had this discussion
14:29:17c0uttathere would be a standard map
14:29:31c0uttarestore the map and you've got the default
14:29:59LinusNhow is that done?
14:30:03c0uttayes, you'd have to connect back to a PC
14:30:20c0uttaremember i asked you and daniel about this ?
14:30:53c0uttawe decided there'd be a default map - you may have only thought i was talking about f2 tho
14:31:16LinusNi and daniel are only talking about f2
14:31:39c0uttawhy would you NOt want F3 read from a file ?
14:32:28LinusNbecause clueless users will make thing wrong abd swamp the mailing list, bug report database and IRC with requests for help
14:33:12c0uttarestore the map file back to .rockbox
14:34:18c0uttaif users are able to modify the map, then can't we assume a certain level of intelligence ?
14:34:35c0uttaediting a file is more complicated than restoring a file
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14:36:01LinusNi know, but since we started this project, i have learned a few things about users
14:36:13c0uttaassume nothing
14:36:18LinusNthey are totally clueless, can't read, and can't follow directions
14:36:34LinusNthey can't even unzip a .zip file to the root dir
14:36:43c0uttathis is true
14:37:22c0uttawhat about a "write default keymap" option ?
14:37:31LinusNin which menu? :-)
14:37:32c0uttai know this would take space in the AJZ
14:38:15LinusNor just use the file delete function
14:38:32LinusNsince the default should be in the ajz anyway
14:38:56c0uttayou'll just lose f2/f3 functionality
14:39:45LinusNand the file options are in the f3 menu :-)
14:40:01c0uttalol - you're right!
14:41:03c0uttaone thing i've learnt is that every user has their own key preferences
14:41:12c0uttamy aim is to provide that opportunity
14:41:30LinusNi know, and it's generally a Good Thing
14:42:24c0uttaOT: i notice that there are not many people modifying the rockbox core
14:42:39c0uttaeveryone's doing plugins
14:43:01*c0utta notes down another f2 option
14:43:53c0uttaanyway linus, i must sleep. 00:13 here and baby will be awake soon
14:44:03LinusNhow far have you come with things now? anything i can have a look at?
14:44:05c0uttai have no time to go to work anymore
14:44:25c0uttai am reading the keymap file
14:44:53c0uttaand creating the menu
14:45:00c0uttaand executing the options
14:45:14LinusNcan i see it?
14:45:18c0uttabut only for 3 actions
14:45:36c0uttasound_menu, volume, and volume setting
14:45:51c0uttamany complication warnings tho
14:46:03c0uttai can send you the uisw32 and map file
14:46:14LinusNi'd like to see the src
14:46:26*c0utta gets nervous
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14:47:45c0uttai have just dcced you
14:48:09c0uttait's stalled tho
14:48:35LinusNc0utta: firewall
14:48:43LinusNemail it
14:50:21c0uttathis file is the core of my work - it's quite small
14:50:45c0uttathere are other changes to menu.[ch]
14:50:57c0uttabut you can see what i'm doing
14:51:31LinusNno email yet
14:53:34c0uttawhen you see it you'll see how context sensitivity is built in
14:55:33c0uttawe could even do wacky things like change Right in WPS to increase volume one increment
14:56:09c0uttaall sorts of options are open to us. i understand that we may not exercise them though
14:56:15LinusNman, is hotmail slow or what?
14:56:42c0uttalots of spam ?
14:57:05c0uttai gotta go - talk to you tomorrow
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15:21:26Alex1tjena alla
15:21:52dwihnoBonjour å hellojs
15:22:18quelsarukthat's swedish?
15:22:40Bagderwell dwihno speaks a mix always ;-)
15:23:15Bagderlet's call it "dwihnonian"
15:23:17quelsaruki think that summer in Spain damaged his mind
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15:27:52LinusNtalkbox rocks the box, imho!
15:28:13Bagderin a few hundred years I'll try it out too
15:28:39LinusNyou will, when you're 75 with bad eyesight
15:28:58quelsarukyou can allways use a 25x35 font ;)
15:29:30LinusNBagder: check out the download page
15:30:38LinusNthat'll probably make things easier
15:30:57Bagderhopefully, yes
15:31:08LinusNBagder: i spoke to Brent a few minutes ago regarding the configirable menus
15:31:15Bagderif people remember how their units look like
15:31:53LinusNmy standpoint is to only configure the f2 menu
15:32:04Bagdermine as well
15:32:08LinusNhis code can configure everything if we want to
15:33:03quelsarukwhy not the F3??
15:33:14LinusNbecause we don't want to risk messing it up
15:33:29LinusNbecause clueless users will make thing wrong abd swamp the mailing list, bug report database and IRC with requests for help
15:33:29quelsarukf2 is useful right now (at least for me) but i don't use f3 :(
15:33:49Bagderquelsaruk: f3 is gonna be the context-sensitive menu
15:33:50LinusNquelsaruk: the quick screens will stay in the first version
15:34:12LinusNbut only as combo keypresses
15:34:22quelsaruksounds good
15:34:30LinusNwell, i want to kick them out
15:34:37Bagderme too
15:35:02*Bagder runs off
15:35:08LinusNi have code for a nice button-bar at the bottom of the screen, á la Archos
15:36:05quelsarukthat would help the newbies
15:36:16quelsarukcould it be optional? like the status and scrollbars :)
15:36:24LinusNyes it is
15:36:46LinusNgotta go now, cu later
15:36:50quelsarukdid you read what c0uta and me were talking before? about the sound menu?
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16:30:22quelsarukany free software to work with video files?
16:30:47Bagderdefine "work with" !
16:31:22*quelsaruk opens the quelsaruk/human dictionary
16:32:59quelsarukto work with: change size, compression settings.. any operation needed to make it work with jorg's software (rvf)
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16:36:11quelsarukBagder, any idea? linux software also accepted :)
16:36:14Bagdertry mencode
16:36:40quelsarukit's in freshmeat?
16:36:41Bagderor cinepaint
16:37:00Bagdermencode is part of the mplayer project, just google for it
16:37:48Bagder"CinePaint is a free open source painting and image retouching program designed to work best with 35mm film and other high resolution high dynamic range images. It is the most popular open source tool in the motion picture industry −− used in 2 Fast 2 Furious, Scooby-Doo, Harry Potter, Stuart Little and other feature films."
16:39:20quelsaruki think that is for a more profesional use :)
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16:40:14quelsarukit's like gimp
16:40:24quelsarukor something like that, afain
16:40:41Bagderit is based on gimp
16:40:48Bagdercalled filmgimp at first
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16:42:07quelsaruki tried that bulletproof software, but it was a trial
16:43:28deadite66virtualdub or better virtualdubmod
16:46:05deadite66anyone tried large files with rvf, music videos were fine but i tried to convert monty python holy grail and the sound was out of sync
16:46:46quelsarukhmm.. i tried just a windsurf video (40 minutes)
16:46:51quelsarukbut without audio
16:47:00quelsaruki want to test the audio now
16:50:40quelsarukBagder, to change something in the web, i should get the web source (cvs .... co website) change whatever and commit it, no?
16:55:15quelsarukoki doki
16:55:38quelsarukthen i will change the rvf howto.
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16:58:30quelsarukdamned mirc!
16:58:40quelsarukas i was saying...
16:58:51quelsarukshould i add my name/nick in the irc page?
16:59:12Bagderedit what you think needs editing!
16:59:33Bagderthe site is updated from CVS every hour
17:00:13quelsarukthen i will review the whole site and commit all-in-one
17:01:35elinenbeBagder: I was wondering why when I pull the CVS I get about a week old version?
17:01:49quelsarukelinenbe, you live in the past ;)
17:01:50elinenbeBagder: and it is NOT anonymous check0out
17:02:00BagderI don't know
17:02:12Bagdersourceforge is really degrading these days
17:02:30BagderI've jumped ship from sourceforge in my main open source project
17:02:56Bagderyeah, curl
17:03:20Bagdereverything was _so_ much nicer once I got off sf
17:03:31elinenbehave you thought about moving rockbox?
17:03:34elinenbeor is that too much work?
17:03:46Bagderwe are planning a move
17:04:01elinenbeto where?
17:04:11Bagderour own server
17:04:18quelsarukcool :)
17:04:42Bagderbut we have to time frame for it
17:04:48Bagderit might take some time
17:07:33elinenbeBagder: I think you should invert your rockbox/curl programming time :D
17:08:31BagderI think the rockbox project handles my less time in it very well
17:08:53Bagderthere are so many skilled people involved
17:10:02elinenbebut curl is just a bunch of idiots :D
17:10:05elinenbehaha :)
17:10:30quelsarukyou also have a technopriest.. that *so* important for a project...
17:10:34BagderI started with curl ~6 years ago
17:11:02Bagderand curl has far more users than rockbox ;-)
17:12:13dwihnoBagder: Has there been large amounts of cash donated to the curl project?
17:12:28Bagder~1500 USD
17:13:05Bagderbut I have done perhaps 20 to 25 minor curl jobs for various people
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20:32:00Neurosupheroti have a question
20:32:41Neurosupherotis it ossible to put blue leds instead green leds in the lcd background?
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21:09:09Nibblerwhy not....
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21:52:03Neurosupheroti just disassembled my recorder fm
21:52:10Neurosupherotand i seen the leds
21:52:18Neurosupherotthey are so small!
21:52:33Neurosupherotmaybe 2*1mm
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22:19:58uskiadvice: never, ever cover your archos recorder
22:20:13uskii put it on my bed with everything over it for one full day
22:20:26uskiit was powered by the main adapter (220->9v)
22:20:50uskiwhen i took it back it was almost 60°C externally so i expect some internal parts to be over than 75°C...
22:20:51scott666_bet it got pretty hot
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22:21:00uski(more than 85°C = harmful to components)
22:21:19uskiit was starting to smell like "hot electronics"
22:21:24uskiyou know, this plastic smelling
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22:44:58elinenbehi there.
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