#rockbox 2004-03-24

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#rockbox log for 2004-03-24

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03:03:23	midk	frihet
03:03:35	Frihet	Yes, Frihet.
03:04:03	Frihet	Just dropped in to see what was happening.
03:04:39	midk	hi
03:05:14	Frihet	Hello. I must say, I'm really enjoying my Rocbox FMR
03:05:23	Frihet	Can't type
03:05:32	midk	:)
03:06:35	Frihet	I just put the latest build on −− listening to Hayden Organ Concerto
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04:35:12	Norrin	A little help please. Just flashed the newest CVS. It says HINT: You're not using the latest bootloader. A full reflash is recommended, but not required.
04:35:15	Norrin	Can I fix this at this time?
04:35:30	midk	hi
04:35:46	midk	if you wish
04:36:00	midk	redownload the flash pack, rerun firmware_flash.rock.. etc
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04:39:21	Llaman	Ola!
04:39:43	Llaman	If anyone's home, maybe you can give me some advice on Blind Boxin'.
04:40:02	midk	sure
04:40:09	Llaman	Due to severe financial constraints, I cannot afford to replace the broken LCD on my archos.
04:40:15	Norrin	That worked. Thanks.
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04:40:22	Llaman	I remember seeing a discussion on the list about an audio-cued Archos.
04:40:45	Llaman	But I never managed to get much out of it.
04:41:00	Llaman	Is that project still going? Is the a site for it?
04:42:48	Llaman	Woah, I was out of the loop for a while, and now I see notes about Voice-UI in the changelogs...
04:42:52	Llaman	Is there documentation for this?
04:44:41	midk	yes
04:44:49	midk	um
04:44:52	midk	well the menus speak
04:44:54	midk	not much else yet
04:45:50	Llaman	That's a heck of a lot better than I have right now.
04:46:01	Llaman	So now here's the _REAL_ puzzle.
04:46:22	Llaman	I am running a flashed recorder of the rare kind.
04:46:35	Llaman	Can I still get the .ajz to boot by simply putting it in the root?
04:46:46	midk	no
04:46:48	midk	you have to rolo it
04:47:03	Llaman	Crap.
04:47:11	Llaman	Which is going to be rough without a screen.
04:47:18	midk	http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/
04:47:22	midk	uh?
04:47:26	Llaman	My LCD broke.
04:47:30	midk	ouch
04:47:33	midk	hmm
04:47:35	Llaman	I can't afford to send it to Archos for a repair.
04:47:43	Llaman	<- student
04:47:47	midk	you can get replacement LCDs, did you know?
04:47:54	Llaman	How?
04:47:59	midk	online
04:48:06	Llaman	From Archos?
04:48:10	midk	just a moment
04:51:21	Llaman	Rutronik.com?
04:51:59	midk	?
04:52:33	Llaman	There's a thread on the mailing list about rutronik.com (a german company) that might sell the LCD screen for an archos.
04:52:42	Llaman	I don't see the part number there though.
04:52:46	midk	hmm
04:52:50	midk	yes there have been threads
04:52:59	midk	i was looking for the site
04:56:40	Llaman	Did you find it?
04:57:00	midk	no sorry\
04:57:04	midk	hard to find these things
04:57:09	midk	they disappear in the archives
04:57:14	midk	i rarely find anything i look for :)
04:58:34	Llaman	:(
04:58:45	Llaman	My screen has been broken for several months now.
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05:01:49	midk	this may work
05:02:06	midk	The LCD is a SYT G112064-30, made by Shing Yih Technology Co Ltd.
05:02:06	midk	Photo: http://www.sytco.com.tw/image/product/g112064-30.jpg
05:02:06	midk	Specs: http://www.sytco.com.tw/pdf_1/data/cog/g112064-30-3.pdf
05:02:34	midk	hmm not loading
05:03:02	midk	try this link
05:03:03	midk	http://www.google.com/search?q=replace+lcd+site%3Arockbox.haxx.se&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
05:03:59	Llaman	thanks... i'm looking through
05:04:52	midk	should be something there
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05:06:01	GuestBarry	hi, http://www.newmp3technology.net sells those lcd's
05:06:28	midk	THAT'S IT
05:06:33	midk	that was the site
05:06:54	GuestBarry	hehe, DOH!
05:07:21	GuestBarry	check out the new Archos forums on there too :-]
05:08:22	GuestBarry	everyone's moving off of funmp3players forums now
05:09:16	midk	yes that's where i went
05:09:21	midk	aren't the two places related?
05:09:35	midk	couldn't find a link, but i knew it was something like that....
05:11:39	GuestBarry	i doubt they r related
05:12:20	midk	yeah there it is
05:12:21	midk	$25
05:12:24	midk	not bad
05:13:00	midk	get 25 lcd's for only 400 bucks! :)
05:13:04	GuestBarry	a bargain
05:14:26	GuestBarry	lol
05:16:13	Llaman	Aha!
05:16:28	Llaman	Thanks!
05:16:33	Llaman	Time to see if I can't order one right now.
05:16:38	midk	:)
05:16:49	Llaman	Anyone else here use winamp 5?
05:17:09	midk	i have it
05:17:20	Llaman	The media library really kicks it −− it lets you do some pretty good dynamic play lists.
05:17:26	GuestBarry	same here
05:17:57	Llaman	So I have a view called "Nothing Exciting" with a definition of "lastplayed < [1 week ago] or playcount > 5"
05:18:00	*	GuestBarry likes the modern skin
05:18:22	Llaman	And I have another one called "Mix it up" which only plays songs I haven't heard for a month or ever played.
05:18:27	Llaman	And so on.
05:18:48	Llaman	I wish there was some way to get that information from my Archos into winamp as well.
05:18:57	Llaman	A play-log.
05:19:01	midk	cool
05:21:18	Llaman	Check it out. It's my new absolute favorite thing.
05:22:01	Llaman	You can make up definitions for bands you like to hear together and when you get new songs they just show up.
05:22:30	Llaman	It would be nice if there were some kind of media library for the 'box. Hmmm. Maybe if the 'box could read winamp's media library...
05:22:41	*	Llaman is just thinking out loud.
05:22:44	midk	why a media librarty?
05:23:01	Llaman	Don't have to search the directory tree.
05:23:18	Llaman	Make up custom queries to use as dynamic playlists.
05:23:33	Llaman	Less renaming of files to make them fit on the archos screen...
05:23:40	midk	ok ok :)
05:24:01	Llaman	I think the devs have said they aren't interested in implementing one though.
05:29:28	Llaman	Oh happy, happy day.
05:29:33	Llaman	I have an LCD on the way.
05:30:00	midk	yay!
05:30:41	Llaman	now it's time to catch up on what's changed since, oh, january.
05:32:02	midk	*dies
05:32:42	Llaman	big list? when i stopped updating development was really quiet. i thought maybe the project was finished.
05:35:09	midk	lol
05:35:13	midk	i have to go
05:35:17	midk	good luck with that lcd
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11:14:55	c0utta	u there linus ?
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11:18:55	LinusN	c0utta: i'm here
11:19:44	c0utta	i do a "cvs update -dP" every day to sync
11:20:10	c0utta	i get a lot of ".#file name.c.1.113" files
11:20:24	c0utta	can i ignore them ?
11:22:21	LinusN	yes
11:22:55	c0utta	i always do a "make clean" and then a "make" to ensure that i still have a valid source
11:23:05	c0utta	i thought i'd be ok
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12:53:42	quelsaruk	hi
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13:01:04	uski	LinusN: u there ?
13:04:39	LinusN	now i am
13:04:48	uski	ok, can i speak to you privately ?
13:06:58	c0utta	hi quelsaruk
13:07:03	quelsaruk	:)
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16:39:42	Godzuki	how long are the lithium batteries in the v2 recorders supposed to last?
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19:17:13	LinusN	uski: you there?
19:18:02	LinusN	i suddenly remembered that i have already analyzed the player lcd init
19:18:10	LinusN	in the dawn of the Rockbox project
19:18:38	LinusN	well, a long time ago anyway
19:18:45	LinusN	http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-05/0092.shtml
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22:10:50	Masskiller	this is some serious bullshit
22:11:02	Masskiller	i sent my recorder 20 back to archos
22:11:08	Masskiller	because the USB stopped working
22:11:14	Masskiller	and they told me that it was the firmware
22:11:18	Masskiller	and they want $65
22:11:26	Masskiller	i want to take them to court and get like $1000000000000
22:11:37	Masskiller	its sill under warrentee too
22:12:44	diddystar5	ha
22:12:54	diddystar5	do it :)
22:13:16	diddystar5	did they find rockbox or something?
22:20:38	Masskiller	yeah
22:20:43	Masskiller	and the dude is like
22:20:48	Masskiller	"you cant just go changing the firmware"
22:20:55	Masskiller	"this is designed by engineers..."
22:20:56	Masskiller	so i said
22:21:11	Masskiller	"the ROM is made to be programmed. I progammed it. Your point?"
22:21:35	Masskiller	he said it voided the warentee
22:21:40	Masskiller	Archos' limited warranty covers only those defects which arise as a result of normal use of the product, and do not apply to any:
22:21:40	Masskiller	improper or inadequate maintenance or modification;
22:21:40	Masskiller	software, interfacing, media, parts, or supplies not provided or supported by Archos; or
22:21:40	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Masskiller
22:21:40	Masskiller	operation outside the product's specifications.
22:21:49	Masskiller	would that be classified as software?
22:22:04	Masskiller	bewcause they dont define improper or wahtever modification
22:22:13	Masskiller	so there's no way that i can tell what's proper or not
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22:23:18	LinusN	i am inclined to agree with archos here
22:24:45	Masskiller	i hate you
22:24:46	Masskiller	:(
22:24:53	diddystar5	but i think rockbox is much less lily to screw up your box :)
22:24:56	LinusN	theoretically, there could be something wrong with rockbox that killed the usb port
22:25:01	Masskiller	argggggggh
22:25:07	Masskiller	that sucks a fat one
22:25:08	Masskiller	lol
22:25:15	LinusN	and how could they be liable when you reprogrammed it?
22:25:22	Masskiller	:\
22:25:39	diddystar5	but me also gotta go with archos...
22:25:39	Masskiller	im telling you, they dont define anything in the terms of use
22:25:51	Masskiller	and they fixed it, then try to charge me
22:25:57	Masskiller	they didnt tell me a price, then fix it
22:26:00	LinusN	but still, i don't think for a minute that rockbox killed your player
22:26:06	Masskiller	is that even legal
22:26:24	Masskiller	i mean, im so pissed
22:26:30	Masskiller	this is the second archos i had
22:26:36	Masskiller	and they want to charge me more money
22:26:36	LinusN	you should be
22:26:48	Masskiller	im seriously about to just say screw mp3 players
22:26:52	Masskiller	i dont care anymore
22:27:02	Masskiller	ill just make my own
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22:27:34	Masskiller	but seriously, take a look at their warrantee info
22:27:40	Masskiller	it doesnt tell you what is allowed and what isn't
22:27:44	Masskiller	http://www.archos.com/support/warranty_info.html?sid=j22k2ojkbjjyo2ybos2of2
22:27:48	Masskiller	improper or inadequate maintenance or modification;
22:27:52	Masskiller	software, interfacing, media, parts, or supplies not provided or supported by Archos; or
22:27:56	Masskiller	operation outside the product's specifications.
22:28:02	Masskiller	they don't tell you the specifications
22:28:06	Masskiller	they don't tell you what's supported
22:28:15	Masskiller	they don't tell you what's improper or inadequate
22:28:23	Masskiller	and yet they expect you to stay inside those terms
22:28:32	diddystar5	well, sue then :)
22:28:36	LinusN	"software not provided by archos"
22:28:54	Masskiller	or supported
22:29:01	Masskiller	for all i know, rockkbox could be supported by them
22:29:07	LinusN	and rockbox is neither
22:29:10	Masskiller	but there's no list
22:29:12	Masskiller	so how would i know?
22:29:28	LinusN	did you get rockbox from them?
22:29:51	Masskiller	no, but the guy in the emails i talked to said that they didn't care, and it was ok
22:30:01	Masskiller	if you want me to, i could forward them
22:30:05	LinusN	still have the email?
22:30:06	Masskiller	or put them in a .txt on the web
22:30:15	Masskiller	lemme load putty
22:30:17	diddystar5	i want to see the mail i have to seethat
22:30:19	Masskiller	hold o
22:30:27	Masskiller	my computer just half froze
22:30:31	Masskiller	mirc is the only thing responding
22:30:41	Masskiller	and AIM died
22:30:41	Masskiller	wtf?
22:31:47	diddystar5	im going to linux to wrk a bit
22:31:50	diddystar5	ill be back
22:31:57	diddystar5	in a sec
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22:33:31	Masskiller	http://masskiller.verixo.com/email.txt
22:33:35	amiconn	Hi Linus!
22:33:49	Masskiller	"the rock box doesn't hurt anything."
22:33:50	LinusN	hi amiconn
22:34:26	amiconn	LinusN: Did you already find some time to have a look at my ata test?
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22:36:19	Masskiller	diddy:
22:36:21	Masskiller	http://masskiller.verixo.com/email.txt
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22:37:45	diddystar5	good evidence
22:37:47	Masskiller	"don't worry man, we've seen it all"
22:37:55	Masskiller	"the rock box doesn't hurt anything.
22:37:55	Masskiller	"
22:38:07	Masskiller	and this spic bastard (i hope i didnt offend anyone) is trying to make mepay $65
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22:38:27	Masskiller	that's almost as much as i paid for the thing
22:38:33	Masskiller	i only paid like $150
22:38:43	Masskiller	or maybe less
22:38:45	Masskiller	i dont remember
22:38:59	Masskiller	cause there was some weird rebates
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22:43:09	track	hi
22:43:37	amiconn	hi track
22:43:57	track	hi amiconn
22:44:29	LinusN	amiconn: i looked at it today, didn't run it though
22:44:33	track	hi linus
22:44:54	amiconn	Did you find something I may have overlooked?
22:46:22	LinusN	not really
22:46:42	Masskiller	the guy said i fried the PCB board
22:46:45	Masskiller	wtf is this
22:46:53	Masskiller	and they couldn't even repair it
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22:47:59	Masskiller	which is total BS
22:48:00	Masskiller	but wahtever
22:48:10	Masskiller	now they're sending it back to me
22:49:16	amiconn	LinusN: While testing the test ;) I even introduced a line that wrote a single byte somewhere into the buffer for one pass, to see if the CRC catches this. It did, always.
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22:49:42	Masskiller	is it possible to "fry a pcb board" by installing rockbox?
22:49:50	Masskiller	or are they just feeding me a load of shit
22:49:57	LinusN	Masskiller: i doubt it
22:50:18	Masskiller	they said they couldn't fix it
22:50:20	Masskiller	and they would have to uh
22:50:26	Masskiller	replace it
22:50:43	LinusN	when did it die, and how?
22:50:50	Masskiller	well
22:50:50	Masskiller	music still played
22:50:53	Masskiller	but USB didn't work
22:51:05	Masskiller	even with the same usb cord on the same computer as my friend
22:51:12	Masskiller	who has the same player as me
22:51:49	Masskiller	i think i should get better service for buying two of them myself, and having like 3 or 4 of my friends get them also
22:51:56	Masskiller	but no, they give me a load of BS
22:52:01	Masskiller	whatever
22:54:13	Masskiller	and like
22:54:19	Masskiller	the weirdest part was the fact that
22:54:27	Masskiller	i installed rockbox
22:54:28	Masskiller	and like 4 days later
22:54:36	Masskiller	it stopped working with USB
22:54:40	Masskiller	out of the middle of nowhere
22:54:55	Masskiller	well, i updated it i think
22:58:05	Masskiller	i feel like i'm talking to myself here :\
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23:01:09	LinusN	i'm listening
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23:12:08	amiconn	LinusN: Atm I'm preparing an optimized ata _write_ loop. Already did it in C (taking J�rg's C optimized reading as a template) - more than twice as fast as the old one.
23:12:38	LinusN	nice
23:12:40	amiconn	This may helpful for recording as well as for VBR fix.
23:13:06	amiconn	Assembler version is also on the way, just did a "dry test" with pen and paper.
23:13:08	diddystar5	to bad my JB is dead :( i wanna see amiconn's optimizations
23:13:26	diddystar5	and since my box died, i have had no inspirtation
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23:14:52	amiconn	LinusN: For another area, I would hear your opinion at first: I've seen that in the recording routines in mpeg.c, some code is doubled
23:16:00	LinusN	i'll be away for a little while, i'll be back
23:16:06	amiconn	which is also marked as "optimized, better to write this in assembler". I would like to tackle that.
23:17:43	amiconn	Okay, I'll wait then..
23:18:38	diddystar5	amiconn: id you work with SH1 before rockbox or something?
23:18:41	diddystar5	*did
23:20:11	diddystar5	i need an opinion from someone, in the vu meter, shouold i leave the 2 differnt needle covers, or just leave one?
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23:20:20	diddystar5	hey mattzz
23:20:27	mattzz	hi diddystar5
23:20:34	mattzz	what's cookin?
23:21:11	diddystar5	working on code
23:22:22	amiconn	diddystar5: Didn't work with SH1 before, but (a long time ago) with both Z80 and 8086 assembler. I like to do such low level stuff, and I know how to read manuals.
23:22:56	diddystar5	amiconn: neat, i'm tring to learn Z80 assembly right now for my Ti-83+
23:24:01	amiconn	diddystar5: I did Z80 assembler back in the 80's both for my ZX Spectrum and a GDR home computer.
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23:30:35	*	diddystar5 has no idea what those are
23:32:56	amiconn	diddystar5: ZX Spectrum: A cheap home computer made by the British company Sinclair Ltd. CPU Z80 @3.5 MHz, 48 KB RAM, graphics 256x192 pixels, 8 colors, attached to a TV set via HF modulator. Programs were stored on an ordinary cassette recorder.
23:34:25	diddystar5	heh the first computer i used when i was 4 was a 40 mhz processor with a 500 mb HD thats about all i can remember about it
23:34:43	Bagder	40mhz!
23:34:46	Bagder	gee
23:35:06	Bagder	my c64 ran in 1mhz
23:35:09	amiconn	Home computer "KC85/3" made in the GDR (East Germany): Z80 CPU @1.75 MHz, base 16 KB RAM, expandable via modules, graphics 320x256 pixels, 8 colors, attached to a TV set via HF modulator or RGB connector. Programs were also stored on cassette recorder.
23:36:35	diddystar5	my ti 83+ is 8 mhz :)
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23:56:21	amiconn	WOW
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23:58:39	amiconn	With my new assembler optimized ata write loop, the writing is _faster_ than the reading, even though it is not as much unrolled.

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