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#rockbox log for 2004-04-19

00:02:26LinusNthat's how you generally do with gcc asm stuff...
00:02:39LinusNtrial and error i mean
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00:08:26LinusNtime to sleep
00:08:30LinusNcu tomorrow
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03:40:43sajdakis the Archos Jukebox Recorder V2 a good player?
03:41:08sajdakis there any mayor down sides to buying it
03:41:16sajdakcasue iam really considering getting one
03:42:21midknot really
03:42:37sajdakk do u own one?
03:42:44midkused to
03:43:00sajdakamazon has great deal for one
03:43:06midkyeah it's like $120
03:43:11midkthat's good too :)
03:43:13sajdakuse to be 130
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05:00:08midkBC yay
05:00:13BlueChiphey mk
05:01:01BlueChipwhy does this work:
05:01:02BlueChip#if SIMVER==win32
05:01:08BlueChipand this fail:
05:01:29midksimdir != simver?
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05:04:30BlueChipLOL - whoops, sadly even printf("%s",SIMVER); fails
05:06:24midkhmm not sure
05:06:28midkgetting offline for a few mins
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05:37:59midkyo bc
05:38:09BlueChipbroken cord?
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05:40:04midkyo yo yo
05:40:08midkWa SA wa SA
05:47:52BlueChipI've just realised the worlds easiest fix for one of the sim bugs ...but buggered if I can work out how to do it!
05:48:48BlueChipi got that to print "SIMVER" with
05:48:53BlueChip#define makestr(s) (#s)
05:49:03BlueChipbut not getting any closer yet...
05:49:15BlueChipI must be missing something soooo stupid
05:49:44midkwell what is "simver"
05:49:46midka define?
05:49:52BlueChipenv var
05:50:45BlueChipalthough what I actually want is OBJDIR, which is declared -C on the make line
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06:21:51midknevermind that
06:22:04lostuseri think i need some help
06:23:50lostuseri have an fm20 and i was wonderin how can i get some stuff onto it, like the stuff mentioned on the website like keyboard,search, and metronome
06:24:36midkplugin bc.
06:24:49midkits funny
06:24:53midkthe sound it makes
06:24:54midkits like
06:24:59DBUGEnqueued KICK midk
06:25:22BlueChipyou wanna field this Q?
06:25:28lostuserwhen i download the file, the extension says .c
06:25:41midki's right in the daily build zip...
06:25:51midk"keyboard"... not sure what you mean
06:26:00lostuseri saw it somewhere
06:26:08midkthere's a virtual keyboard
06:26:35lostuserhow can i get it onto my jukebox so that i can use it?
06:26:48midkit's built in
06:27:07lostuserso... i have to go and install the daily build?
06:27:10scott666lostuser: what did you download to begin with?
06:27:25midkheh yay scott to the reskue
06:28:01lostuseri downloaded something off of somewhere, i think it was in a message board
06:28:28scott666what version of rockbox are you using?
06:28:45lostuserthe one i downloaded today
06:28:57scott66611:31 PM> <scott666> what version of rockbox are you using?
06:29:06lostuserlet me check
06:29:50lostuserversion 2.2
06:30:33lostuserso if i install this onto my jukebox, it'll have all that stuff
06:30:58BlueChipyou'll jhave all that everybody else has
06:31:03scott666if the stuff youre talking about is official
06:31:43scott666there could be 3rd party plugins elsewhere, but all you'd have to do is put them in \.rockbox\rocks\
06:31:58lostuserwhere can i get those?
06:32:31BlueChipif you find any, tell us :)
06:33:26lostuseranother question, when i push some of the directional buttons on my fm recorder, sometimes the jukebox reacts as if i pushed one of the f buttons
06:34:00BlueChipwith the firmware you got from the link just now, or some other code?
06:34:30lostuserno the 2.2 firmware i origanally had
06:34:37scott666you mean up/f2?
06:34:57scott666i get that too
06:35:02lostuserkno why?
06:35:05scott666also with down/right
06:35:44scott666something with the an4 and an5 values on the FMs durring button presses
06:36:00lostuserany way to fix it?
06:36:05scott666but its a hard bug to repeat, so i dont think any progress has been made
06:36:11scott666any way? probably
06:36:44scott666LinusN would be the person to talk to about it
06:37:54lostuserone more Q when i convert my videos and play them the audio is 3-4 seconds behind the video. kno any way to fix it?
06:38:10scott666change one of the fps values
06:38:13BlueChipsorry, dont use it
06:38:24scott666i dont know which one cause i dont use it often
06:38:42scott666my fmr is still waiting to be fixed...i think ill do it this week
06:38:42lostuserfps values? where do i do that?
06:38:54scott666are you using the gui?
06:39:03lostusergui? whats that
06:39:14scott666how are you making your videos?
06:39:22BlueChipwill someone please tell this poor guy about our mailing list - LOL
06:39:30midkwe have a mailing list!
06:39:38scott666shhh!! no we dont!
06:39:40midkyo yo yo
06:39:40midkWASA WASA
06:39:44midki mean
06:39:47midkthat page doesn't exist
06:39:51midkdon't go there
06:40:54BlueChipthere is a shed load of info on video creation in the logs
06:40:56lostuseri downloaded that tools thing and downloaded another LAME thing and i use that program that converts videos to make the videos
06:42:49scott666for future reference: the rockbox site has a search box that will search the mailing list and IRC logs, as well as the rest of the pages on the site
06:43:18lostuserok nevermind that question
06:43:27lostuserone last question.
06:43:42DBUGEnqueued KICK BlueChip
06:43:42BlueChip[05:37] <lostuser> one more Q
06:44:09lostuserare there any more open source firmwares like rockbox?
06:44:51BlueChipmillions, but none for this player afaik
06:45:32lostuserso.. rockbox is the only one for the archos jukeboxes?
06:46:12lostuserafaik? what does that mean? yo
06:46:40BlueChipas far as i know
06:46:40scott666(as far as i know)
06:46:46midkheh fine
06:46:52midk*midk's work is done here
06:47:00lostuserthanks fo da help
06:47:14BlueChipyou got it dude - good luck :)
06:47:21lostuserI WILL RETURN...maybe
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06:49:07scott666im hoping that: 1) he doesnt find this in the log, 2) he doesnt return
06:49:39midkif( 1() ) 2();
06:49:55midkif( !1() ) 2();
06:50:48midki wouldn't return if i found that in the log
06:51:01scott666i was mostly kidding
06:51:02midki'd feel bad and kill scott
06:51:37BlueChipI'm lost!
06:52:14midkif(!1) 2();
06:52:16midkwhat's hard yo
06:52:40BlueChipoh, sorry, *i* read that in humour
06:52:47BlueChipsweet irony
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06:56:55BlueChipOT: ...maybe of amusement value...
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07:00:41lostuserlast question, i promise
07:00:50lostuserwhat is the VU meter?
07:00:58midkOH I HELPED
07:01:04midklol bc
07:01:11lostuserc'mon please
07:01:12midka plugin, just play some music and try it
07:01:26lostuseri know, but what's it do?
07:01:36BlueChipjust play some music and try it
07:01:51lostuseri did. what is it's purpose?
07:01:56scott666its a vu meter
07:02:07lostuserwhat is a VU meter
07:02:14BlueChiplittle lines that move in time with the music
07:02:15midkcant you tell
07:02:22midkdoh bc you spoiled it
07:02:36lostuserthat's it?
07:02:48midkbc uses opera yay
07:02:54scott666damn you
07:03:06BlueChiplol - how can you tell?
07:03:50BlueChipnnever looked
07:04:02scott666me neither
07:04:04BlueChipin opera you just type "g <words>" in the url bar
07:04:31scott666in mozilla theres a bar next to the url tha you type <words> in
07:04:47BlueChipopera will do that also
07:04:53lostuserhey do you think that there would be any way to make a tuner plugin? like a plugin that would tell you if a pitch is are sharp or flat?
07:04:58BlueChipbut loads of bars clutters the screen imho
07:05:02scott666you can also search amazon,, ebay, and others
07:05:13scott666i agree, but i wouldnt call 2 bars loads
07:05:41BlueChipone for amazon, one for dicr, one for ebay, one for google
07:05:55midki took off ebay dict and amazon
07:06:07midki just kept google to the right of the address bar
07:06:11BlueChipeach to their own I suupose
07:06:21midkeach to their face you mean
07:06:32BlueChipi'm not going to get into the "My stuff is better than your stuff" debate
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07:08:01scott666no, its not one for each
07:08:12scott666theres an icon with what youre searching
07:08:26scott666when you click it you get a drop-down of what site to search with
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07:09:56scott666its pretty smooth imo
07:10:46midkhe's on fire
07:11:00BlueChipyes, opera also does that ;)
07:12:11scott666ahh, but is opera OS?
07:15:30midkoyt yotyoawet'zhgfadl
07:19:14scott666wow...thats crazy
07:19:17scott666i know a porn star
07:19:31scott666she goes to my school, ive had classes with her
07:19:49scott666and this kid i know is a friend of hers and gave me a link to her site
07:20:15BlueChipposters up at uni?
07:20:39BlueChipprivate msg the link to me :)
07:20:58scott666im in high school! thats whats funny
07:21:10BlueChiphang on ... which makes you HOW old?
07:21:18BlueChip<16? <18?
07:21:42scott666oh, i read it wrong
07:21:55scott666though it said 16>me>18
07:21:56BlueChip(as a Brit, I have no idea what "high" school is)
07:22:03BlueChipyeah, fair call
07:22:16scott666im 16, 17 this summer
07:22:31BlueChiplol -so high school is 11...18?
07:22:49scott666more like 14-18
07:22:59BlueChipso this is a paedophile site?
07:23:05scott666shes 18
07:23:22midki thought it was "pedophile"
07:23:23BlueChipso as a 16yr old, you share a class with an 18yr old?
07:23:36BlueChipso she will be 19 by the end of the year
07:23:44BlueChipmaking high school 14...19?
07:23:47midkunless she just turned 18.
07:23:59BlueChipbut scott is in the 16/17 year
07:24:12midkand bc spelled "pedo" wrong
07:24:17midkyeah that too
07:24:18scott666shes in the 17/18 year
07:24:26BlueChipbut you share a class?
07:24:32midkyou're in 16/17 class
07:24:38scott666we did
07:24:39midkscott 16 and 17
07:24:41midkher 17 and 18
07:24:44midk17 is common
07:24:45scott666i think it was last year
07:24:45BlueChipI wrote it in English (not American)
07:24:48midkits pedo bc
07:25:03midksearch google for "paedophile" then for "pedophile"
07:25:07midkwhich returns more results huh huh
07:25:26midk107,000 for paedo
07:25:28scott666classes arent all age specific
07:25:32midklike 580,00 for pedo
07:25:44midktry pedophile too
07:25:48scott666i had classes with seniors when i was a freshmen (programming)
07:26:01midkwere they like
07:26:09midkhey dude show me how to make this for loop go
07:26:12midkdo my homework for me
07:26:14midkand scotts like
07:26:15scott666theyre were fuckin retarded
07:26:31BlueChipI don't care if you cant spell Colour Honour or Paedophile - it's what comes of not realising that Americans do not speak English ;)
07:26:45midkyo yo yo
07:26:45scott666i did everything, people in my group watched, i finished early than any other group and we all played yahoo pool for a few weeks
07:26:55midki wanna work with scott
07:27:18midk*playing the backwards song over and over
07:27:20midkits so funny
07:27:49BlueChipagadoo could be funny
07:27:50scott666BlueChip: you still want taht link?
07:28:05BlueChipyeah >16 in the UK anyway :)
07:28:31midkyo god dammit
07:28:36midkgonna kill this pc
07:28:42midkit took just like 30s to open the start menu
07:29:14scott6663.11 didnt have a start menu...
07:29:38midktook so long to open charmap i cant even remember why
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07:32:01midkyo yo yo
07:33:02midkhelp here?
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07:33:19midkcan you merge it to rockbox
07:33:52Guesti have a question
07:33:59BlueChipnow there's a surprise
07:34:28Guestwhen i convert my videos the audio is a little behind, any ideas how i can fix it?
07:34:54BlueChipmk: not if it patches mpeg.c
07:35:01midkwhy not
07:35:12BlueChipcos it's changed a million fold
07:35:37Guestso what should i do?
07:35:53midkbc its easy
07:35:59midkjust search for the string and you find the spot
07:36:01midki dunnit
07:36:02midkyo yo yo
07:36:05midkit just doesnt work right
07:36:14BlueChipjirc: stop chaging your login name in the hope that we don't see your IP address?
07:36:40BlueChipif it's so easy, please dont ask for my time :(
07:36:50midksry bc
07:36:52midkdidnt mean that
07:37:01midki just meant i did it twice tonight but both times it didnt work
07:37:32Guestdo you know how i can fix my vid program?
07:37:50BlueChipmpeg.c has changed shed loads since last august - it may just not work anymore :(
07:37:55midkis guest tat other guy
07:38:19Guesti forgot my othr name
07:38:32Guesthey who lives in hawaii?
07:38:57BlueChip[06:33] *** Guest ( has joined channel #rockbox
07:39:17Guestwas that me?
07:39:27Guestohh k
07:39:42BlueChip[05:59] *** lostuser ( has joined channel #rockbox
07:39:55midkhe tried, that's what counts bc
07:40:13Guestwhere was it that i could find some info?
07:40:18scott666hes probably on the java client
07:40:25scott666rockbox main page
07:40:27Guestyes i be
07:40:36scott666the search box on the left pane
07:40:37midkjirc == java client
07:40:54midkok i'm off to bed
07:40:58midkwell shower first
07:41:03BlueChipyou wash??????
07:41:11BlueChiponly dirty people wash
07:41:12midki mean
07:41:19midk*thinks fast
07:41:27midkshowering my stuffed animal
07:41:31Guestthanks again im gone fo real now. later
07:41:33midkhe um fell in teh dirt
07:41:42scott666who says he washes when hes in the shower?
07:41:49BlueChipwash it's mine and I'll wash it as fast as i like?
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07:41:53scott666sometimes thats the only place he can get 'privacy'
07:41:59midkstfu scott lol
07:42:07midkstuft animal i said
07:42:21BlueChipplease don't think of animals OR stuffing scott while you "wash"
07:42:34CtcpIgnored 3 channel CTCP requests in 1 day and 20 hours at the last flood
07:42:34*scott666 shudders
07:42:36midkstuffing scott eh
07:42:39midkgood idea ty
07:42:48*scott666 shudders again
07:43:02BlueChipnot alll you'll be doing
07:43:19*scott666 shudders a third time
07:43:46BlueChip...and then squints in that .....errr ..."tell-tale" manner
07:44:00scott666thank god midk's too think to get it
07:44:30scott666midk and think should obvioulsly never be in the same sentence together
07:44:31midk*hopes bc will remove midk from bc's head before too long
07:44:48scott666midk: its /me
07:44:50scott666try it
07:45:00midki don't like /me
07:45:03*scott666 types /me types /me
07:45:09BlueChipno, none of us do really
07:46:04BlueChipyou want me to eat your "eatme" - mmmm, yummy
07:46:24midkoh yeah
07:46:32scott666you stole that phrase from me you bastard
07:46:34midkbefore i lose interest
07:46:41midki steal nothing
07:46:45BlueChipwhere is it?
07:47:03BlueChipscott: pass me the tweezers
07:47:12scott666if only i werent too lazy to go through the irc logs from 6 months- a year ago
07:48:05*scott666 passes BlueChip a pair of tweezers
07:48:33midkmake sure you get the kind with the sticky pads on the end
07:48:33*BlueChip utilises the tweezers and decides he is still hungry
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07:51:56midkyou see without the sticky pads you cannot grip as tightly or securely, thus sometimes you may not be able to get a good grasp of your target. in most cases with the pads installed you will get a firm grip every time
07:52:53scott666idt midk has any idea whats going on
07:53:14midkno i'm blurting randomly hoping you don't notice i have NO idea
07:53:16BlueChipeither that or he has just developed an hilarious sense of humour
07:53:17midkwhat's going on.
07:53:57scott666so youd want the sticky pads for things that are particularly tiny and hard to grasp?
07:54:38*scott666 exchanges BlueChip's tweezers for a pair with sticky pads
07:55:00midkthanks. it helps me too
07:55:10*BlueChip says thanks and claims to be going afk to "make a cup of tea" ...yeah right
07:55:16midkgeh its like 11pm must leave now to... take no showers and go right to bed
07:55:28midkbc um eat tea
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07:55:31BlueChipyou're gonna go to bed dirty?
07:58:35BlueChipthose sticky pads really help :)
07:58:46scott666i cant belive he didnt get that
07:59:19BlueChipgotta working sim atm?
08:00:30scott666i can get one going...why?
08:00:47BlueChipgot a thing for you to look at obviously!
08:01:20scott666is there new source?
08:01:47BlueChipnot sure, i've not updated online recently
08:01:58BlueChipit's all framework driven now
08:01:59scott666last ones from 4/16
08:02:09BlueChipi was gonna send u a .rock
08:02:18scott666that works too
08:03:19scott666dcc doesnt work between us...remember?
08:03:45BlueChipoh yeah
08:03:49BlueChipwell, I do now!
08:03:55BlueChipits a sim rock
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08:08:30scott666is it supposed to do things? or just look interesting
08:08:38BlueChipthe latter
08:09:03scott666thatd be the reason i couldnt figure out how to play it
08:09:30scott666it looks great!
08:09:47BlueChipthat;s all done with the framework code
08:09:53scott666considering the resolution we have to work with at least
08:11:03BlueChipim off now - l8rz all
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08:11:10DBUGEnqueued KICK bc|busy
08:11:10scott666will this final rock be all inclusive? or will here be solitaire.rock, rummy.rock, crazy8s.rock, etc?
08:11:42bc|busyatm - one rock per game
08:11:58bc|busybut a friend has an idea for a rules driven solitaire engine
08:12:09scott666cause depending on how easy it is to make a new game, they could add up fast
08:12:50bc|busythe hard bit is AI for other games
08:13:04bc|busyonly solitaire and casino games can be easily simulated
08:14:14scott666cause the dealer has hard rules in blackjack, no need for AI
08:14:49bc|busyyou got it
08:14:54scott666well im gonna go too
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11:20:54[IDC]DragonHi LinusN, thanks for rmdir(), that was definitely beyond my scope.
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11:22:52BCLinus, can I ask you a couple of preprocessor questions please?
11:23:26BCor, having just looked at the list, there may be others in who could help :)
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11:41:49LinusNBC: shoot
11:41:53LinusN[IDC]Dragon: you're welcome
11:42:33dwihnoLinus: I've been thinking. How about enabling F3+on in WPS to do the "follow playlist" action?
11:42:40BC1. how do I (example) "printf" an environment variable?
11:43:22LinusNBC: main() usually gets three arguments
11:43:44LinusNint main(int argc, char *argv[], char *env[]);
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11:44:37*BC thinks...
11:44:45BCbetter example maybe...
11:45:08BCwhat if I wanted to print SIMVER from within my plugin?
11:45:36LinusNprintf("%s\n", SIMVER);
11:45:54LinusNif SIMVER is a constant string
11:46:02LinusNor printf(SIMVER)
11:46:08LinusNhow is simver defined?
11:46:18BCerrr, by configure I think
11:47:04BCyes, configure, on line 34
11:47:58LinusNas far as i can see, SIMVER isn't used...
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11:48:38BCI've concluded a blindingly simple fix for the "browse_root" problem on the win32sim
11:49:00LinusNhi track
11:49:18trackhi linusn
11:49:21tracklong time no see
11:49:26BC#if SIMVER==win32
11:49:26BC dirbrowse(OBJDIR)
11:50:18LinusNBC: i want a "sandbox" model for the simulated file/dir functions
11:50:21BCwhich leads nicely to .... Why does EVERY #if xxx=yyy render true?
11:51:05BCthe above fix means that you do not need to simulate those functions
11:51:13BChence "blindingly simple"
11:51:16trackLinusN when plugging in the USB on the charging screen sometimes the device freeezes
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11:51:56LinusNevery #if XXX==yyy is true?
11:52:27LinusNtrack: it does?
11:54:31LinusNBC: and how are SOLITAIRE and CANASTA defined?
11:54:43LinusNyou need to define them, or they get the same NIL value
11:55:10LinusN#define SOLITAIRE 0
11:55:10LinusN#define CANASTA 1
11:55:15BCthink numbers not strings!
11:55:20BCthank you
11:55:33LinusNtrack: can you see a pattern?
11:56:05trackthis is on v2.2
11:56:41LinusNtrack: please try the latest, although i don't think it is much different
11:57:47tracklinusN is it also possible to remove the flashed version of rockbox should you wish?
11:58:01trackhow do you do it?
11:58:09BCLInus: So is it possible to print the Rockbox "OBJDIR" from within a compiled rockbox plugin
11:58:13LinusNjust run the firmware_flash plugin with the original image as input
11:58:29trackwhats the original image?
11:58:31uskiis there a native enlish speaker hee willing to help me with an english letter i had to write ? i wrote a little text and I would like to be sure it contains no huge english errors
11:58:39uski(i know, i'm offtopic ;))
11:58:47LinusNBC: yes, if it is passed as a #define with the -D compiler switch
11:59:16BCwill see what rockbox does in a moment...
12:02:48BCdammit no :( is only passed to make as a -C pram - oh well :(
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12:14:14BCis it reasonable to request that the OBJDIR is passed to gcc during Rockbox compile?
12:15:32LinusNwhy not do it like the x11 version?
12:15:57BCcos it's needless
12:16:09BCwork for the sake of creating it
12:16:49BCand as for over-riding core functions with #defines buried in header files - well, the less said about that the better - LOL
12:19:02LinusNso all you need is to pass OBJDIR?
12:19:26BCand the mod i mentioned above (two lines)
12:19:39LinusNthe thing is that OBJDIR == "."
12:20:00BClol -oh yes
12:21:51BCcool - that's fixed one problem then :)
12:23:48LinusNBC: all internal functions use absolute paths
12:24:01LinusNlike when looking for .playlist_control
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12:24:12LinusNit looks for /.rockbox/.playlist_control
12:24:28LinusNso dirbrowse(OBJDIR) only "solves" one problem
12:24:47BCoh well, my intentions were in the right place
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14:34:12dwihnoAny Sony EX70/71 users out there?
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15:49:57snurrebass4hello! I cant seen to find a search function in rockbox. is there any at all?
15:50:58BCi believe there is a patch, but it is not afaik in the current build
15:51:19snurrebass4i see
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15:58:57snurrebass4this patch is rather complicated. anyone know if a search function will be implemented in a future version?
15:59:47BChave you tried applying the patch?
16:02:11snurrebass4nope but I read you have to type in a linux search string for each search.
16:03:00BC:( regualr expressions are horrible
16:03:09BC(unless you know them)
16:03:12snurrebass4id really like something more userfriendly
16:03:27snurrebass4hehe...was that irony?
16:04:01BCwell, the old adage applies, it will be added when someone who can program wants it
16:04:29snurrebass4hm. yes..i see...thank you for your time!
16:04:40BCsorry I could not be of more help
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16:10:08bobTHChi folks!
16:11:39BCdelta 8 or delta 9?
16:12:47BCor perhaps aren't familair with THC molecular compositions?
16:13:15BChello bobTHC
16:14:39BCI trust you are
16:14:50bobTHCsorry i'm too high ;)
16:16:23BCcan i be of any technical assistance
16:25:46bobTHCno thx.
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17:05:26Ralle[DK]what changes is in the newest rockbox?
17:19:12mattzzmany, e.g. talk features
17:19:26mattzzspeed enhancements
17:21:21mattzzBTW: what do you mean with "newest"? 2.2 or CVS?
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19:14:08klandohi is the rockbox driver work for gemini120 ? Or is there any drivers that enable the display of progressive-jpeg ?
19:17:20methangas3. What is Rockbox? What is it's purpose?
19:17:26methangasThe purpose of this project is to write an Open Source replacement firmware for the Archos Jukebox 6000, Studio 20 and Recorder MP3 players.
19:17:29methangasergo no
19:19:55methangasi don't know of any alternative firmware for the gemini
19:20:23methangasbut then again, i didnt know of rockbox a few months ago :)
19:21:30klandook thXs
19:21:38Ralle[DK]rockbox is 100000 times better than original archos...
19:22:17klandoabout the application and others, perhaps it is portable, if i found something to make gemini work whith rockbox
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20:22:27Ralle[DK]hello world!
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20:42:02ricflairhi all ive just got a jukebox recorder 20
20:43:54ricflairANYONE HERE
20:45:01deadite66nope :)
20:45:43ricflairi didnt get a cable with it though, or charger. is there anyway i can make these or user alternatives?
20:49:03deadite66the usb cable and power supply are pretty standard stuff, you should be able to buy them online
20:49:03deadite66the usb cable is A-A cable
20:49:29ricflairim just worried seeing as archos claim that you can ruin it with the wrong ones
20:49:31deadite66the psu is 9v 600ma centre positive
20:49:42ricflairquite exited about getting it running
20:50:08ricflairi have a power adapter at home~(im in the uk) with different connections and also selectable voltage, do you think that would work?
20:51:47deadite66thats archos just covering themselves
20:51:47deadite66yes just make sure you have the correct settings, having the polarity wrong will blow the chaging ic
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20:52:18ricflair:( so make sure its 9 volt, and that the connection fits right. and a standard a-a cable should work. Thanks
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20:52:30ricflairis it a good machine? the jukebox recorder 20
20:52:39ricflairi got it for 45 pounds today
20:53:10deadite66with rockbox it certainly is
20:53:10deadite6645 good price
20:54:14deadite66with luck you should also be able to flash rockbox
20:57:08deadite66any other questions you can ask here
20:57:08deadite66i'm one of the moderators ;)
20:57:13ricflaircool, what does rockbox offfer to make it better. ? how long should i expect the battery to last
20:57:19ricflairoops sorry missed that last line.
20:57:28ricflaircant wait to flash it
20:58:16deadite66their is a comparison here
20:59:02ricflaircool, how the hell can you play back video? and is flashing easy@
20:59:56ricflairwould this cable be ok
21:00:28deadite66yep, thats the one
21:00:49ricflairexcellent, thank you.
21:01:13deadite66you have to convert the video to a special .rvf format 112x64 in size
21:01:28ricflairwhat does it look like? is there any screenshots?
21:01:38ricflairrockbox looks to me like, well , it rocks :)
21:01:41deadite66as long as you follow the instructions flashing is easy enough
21:02:34deadite66can't think of any site with video pictures
21:02:54ricflaircant wait. it looks like it was a bargain for 45 pounds.
21:02:57ricflairit was at an auction
21:06:28ricflairis it possibvle to make your own usb a a cable from 2 usb extention cables
21:07:26deadite66i'm sure you could
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21:08:25ricflairnot sure if i should try, dont want to damage it
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21:16:13deathsc0ut|DelirHello together
21:17:14deathsc0ut|DelirSumbody there?
21:17:20ricflairi am :)
21:17:28deathsc0ut|DelirHe He He good
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21:17:44deathsc0ut|DelirHmmm I will ask a question :)
21:17:54ricflairi wont know mate, im very new
21:18:12deathsc0ut|DelirNobody else there?
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21:18:42deathsc0ut|DelirAhhh great
21:19:38***Alert Mode level 3
21:19:38deathsc0ut|DelirSo I will ask now - I sent my ajbr to archos because its Happy Day was damaged and today they sent me an email where they said that repairing would cost 120 , because the ajb fall on the ground and so they would accept the warranty
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21:20:13deathsc0ut|DelirAnd now I stand upon the decision if I should let them repair it and exchange the Happy Day or if I should let them send it back and insert a Happy Day myself
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21:20:20deathsc0ut|Delirhrm happy day
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21:20:20deathsc0ut|Delir{{ gHg t }} shit
21:20:25deathsc0ut|Delirhard drive
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21:25:42deathsc0ut|Delirdeadite are ya gone?
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21:28:19Laurent_'looks like he's dead ;)
21:28:36deathsc0ut|DelirCould you answer my question?
21:29:00ricflaircall in bruce campbell
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21:29:50deathsc0ut|DelirHmm bruce campbell ? whos that?
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21:31:19ricflairhes the guy that slays the deadites
21:33:52LinusNdeathsc0ut|Delir: was it only the hard drive that was broken?
21:34:09deathsc0ut|DelirI think it was
21:34:27deathsc0ut|DelirIt kind of slammed against a door while walkin because I had it in my jacket
21:34:34LinusNif it was, replacing the hard drive is relatively simple
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21:35:10deathsc0ut|DelirYeah and I could get a 40 gig hard drive for the same money
21:35:19deathsc0ut|Delirbut it could also be that some other components are damaged
21:35:34deathsc0ut|DelirWell do you have a good tutorial for the recorder
21:35:49LinusNhow to replace the hard drive?
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21:36:00deathsc0ut|DelirOpening should be no prob
21:36:13***Alert Mode level 9
21:36:13deathsc0ut|Delirbecause I already have a tutorial from your site :)
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21:38:17deathsc0ut|DelirWow big thx to you
21:40:47Laurent_oops sorry, had no sounds so didn't see the messages scroll
21:40:51Laurent_let me read
21:41:31Laurent_can someone talk a bit for a test please ? ;)
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21:42:00Laurent_great, no sounds at all, I just love hits
21:42:06LinusNbla bla
21:42:12Laurent_thanks anyway
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21:45:37Laurent_why do I always have to fight linux to get sounds ?
21:47:57scott666[generic rtfm comment]
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21:48:32BC|codingyou should work on that - you could turn it into a joke
21:48:40Laurent_sound !
21:49:12Laurent_scott666: no way about the rtfm, I did not change a bit and now I hear sounds again
21:49:17BC|codingWas gonna say, I'll trade you my sound for your OS
21:49:31Laurent_this computer is just plain cursed if you let me tell you
21:49:50BC|codingdid you put the case on it? ...always fatal in my expereince
21:50:12Laurent_actually I killed all zombies instances of xine still running
21:50:16scott666no, its the thumb-screws
21:50:34Laurent_it looks like linux apps don't love sharing the sound
21:50:41scott666put the thumb-screws back in and youll never get anything to work ever
21:51:22Laurent_scott666: I had that one once, open the case -> works, close -> doesnt, do it for a hundred times and eventually it works with the case closed
21:51:51Laurent_it's just a matter of showing the gremlins that they'll tire before you do :)
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21:52:31BC|codingLaurent_: on a mildly serious note, I found that squishing bulgy cables into the case was a mistake I must have made too often
21:52:55Laurent_BC|coding: it must be done carefully indeed
21:53:29Laurent_hum, wait, you spoke and I heard no sound
21:53:59Laurent_hum, must have not paid attention, seems they are there again
21:54:20Laurent_let me see if I can play music at the same time
21:55:06Laurent_can someone speak please (last one I promise) ?
21:55:54BC|coding(that was my "ruler" impression)
21:56:02Laurent_argh, xmms does not share
21:56:31ricflairanyone know how to make an usb a-a cable from 2 usb cables
21:56:57Laurent_did I tell you how much I *hated* linux as far as sounds are concerned ?
21:57:10scott666wire strippers + soldering iron?
21:57:12LinusNricflair: solder the wires together?
21:57:33ricflairlunusn, i mean what cables go to which ones and is it as simple as that?
21:57:42Laurent_you just need to cross input and output, I think they are the middle ones
21:57:48LinusNdon't cross
21:57:52ricflairdo you know anyone has tried this?
21:57:53LinusNjust make it straight
21:57:54Laurent_LinusN: are you sure ?
21:58:01LinusNpretty sure
21:58:02ricflairdont want to knacker up my archos, only got it today
21:58:10Laurent_then don't cross ;)
21:58:30LinusNi'd buy an AA cable
21:58:44LinusNeasier and safer
21:58:47ricflairi know, but i want one now and cant get one from a store till tomorrow afternoon
21:59:06LinusNit didn't include a cable?
21:59:39ricflairno, i got the bare unit at an auction. only cost me 45 quid (the archos jukebox recorder 20)
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22:01:51amiconnricflair: I happen to have an AA cable, will test the wiring with a continuity tester for you. Just give me some mins
22:02:47ricflairthank you
22:03:41LinusNamiconn: i did that a few weeks ago
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22:05:33Laurent_OSS access is not shared amongst apps, so no sound in gaim if you use xmms or xine in parallel
22:05:45Laurent_(off topic I know)
22:06:01Laurent_sorry, I had to say it :(
22:06:39[IDC]Dragon'evening guys
22:06:54[IDC]DragonI have a question to Linux users:
22:07:15[IDC]Dragonis is really not advisable to have a file starting with ~
22:07:29[IDC]Dragonis it
22:07:32Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: I guess I can't hide ? ;)
22:07:45[IDC]Dragonhuh, why?
22:07:47Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: let me try
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22:08:07Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: I just ranted about my linux 5 s ago ;)
22:08:23Laurent_laurent@antarctique:laurent> touch "~hop"
22:08:30Laurent_laurent@antarctique:laurent> ls GNUstep Outils bin local scripts tmp web_site ~hop
22:08:30Laurent_Documents Mail Program Files liste.bz2 outils teleir torrents win_drives
22:08:36Laurent_causes no problem
22:08:36amiconnricflair: I can confirm what Linus said: The USB AA cable is straight through.
22:08:58[IDC]Dragonit tried in cygwin, found neither.
22:09:00ricflaircool, so just match the same colors to the same colors
22:09:08[IDC]DragonI tried
22:09:21[IDC]Dragon(typo day)
22:09:36LinusN[IDC]Dragon: prepending a file name with ~ is perfectly possible, but i'd still not recommend it
22:09:51[IDC]DragonOK, why not?
22:10:20Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: it's a quite common abbreviation for /home/xxx/
22:10:31LinusNas said on the mailing list, ~ is a shortcut to the home directory
22:10:42[IDC]Dragonwouldn't that be ~/xxx ?
22:10:53LinusN~ is my home dir
22:10:59[IDC]Dragon(whatever you store in xxx ;-)
22:11:01Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: ~/ is /home/username/
22:11:04LinusN~olle is olle's home dir
22:12:14[IDC]Dragonwell, but is there a practical drawback to have such files on your JBR?
22:12:37[IDC]Dragonlike, you can't move them, delete them, whatever?
22:14:00LinusNno, only if you have a linux script that doesn't properly quote the file names
22:14:29[IDC]Dragonwhat would happen then?
22:14:38[IDC]Dragon(sorry to be a pest)
22:15:24LinusNit may try to access another person's home dir and fail (i guess there are no user called in any system in the world :-)
22:16:08Laurent_LinusN: I would not bet ;)
22:17:08[IDC]DragonI still see big benefit in having the ~ name for it's sorting to the end.
22:17:28LinusNi can see the benefit, yes
22:17:28[IDC]DragonSo I'm not giving up too soon ;-)
22:17:55Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: why are windows users so reluctant to use .dirname ?
22:18:21BC|codingbecause it is impossible to create a file with no filename throught the GUI
22:18:22Laurent_I just don't get it, as a linux/windows user I'd prefer the .dirname
22:18:59LinusNLaurent_: because Explorer refuses to create files beginning with a period
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22:19:04Laurent_BC|coding: are you sure of this ? I never had this problem
22:19:20LinusNLaurent_: being hungry? :-)
22:19:35BC|eatingjust cooked a curry
22:19:45[IDC]DragonI liked the dot, too.
22:19:53Laurent_BC|eating: only the curry ? must be light ;)
22:19:57[IDC]Dragonalthough being a Windoze user.
22:20:24Laurent_let me switch that windows box on
22:20:47[IDC]DragonAs a courtesy to the Linus users, where it's a hidden file.
22:20:59amiconnWindows has a really strange concerning directory sorting - it does not use ASCII order. It even uses different sorting rules in different places, so I would never count on Windows to put something consistently at the beginning/end or a listing.
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22:21:15[IDC]DragonI barely use the Explorer for file manipulation.
22:21:29LinusN[IDC]Dragon: but most windows l00sers do
22:21:45[IDC]Dragonperfectly understood.
22:22:03Laurent_LinusN: hey, my parents are in this group ! ;)
22:22:05[IDC]Dragonthat's why we have that debate.
22:22:55amiconnOne char that can be used to put a file at the top most of the time is the exclamation point.
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22:23:21[IDC]Dragonwe want it at the bottom
22:23:50[IDC]Dragonwhere it won't dispurb the order of "regular" tracks.
22:24:38[IDC]DragonSo if a blind user has the file number announce on, he will get the album track number.
22:25:32Laurent_oops, seems it's true... guess I never tried
22:26:23amiconnI did not find a char to put a file at the end consistently (Other than using the last ISO 8859-1 char: ). The ~ doesn't put it at the end either, it comes even before the letters!
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22:26:52[IDC]Dragonamiconn: I was talking about rockbox ordering.
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22:28:07amiconnI think it can be quite confusing if the file is shown at different positions in Windows explorer (if you list the Archos drive) and Rockbox itself.
22:28:54[IDC]Dragondo we want to mimic Windows' strange ordering then?
22:29:19scott666the file shouldnt be shown by rockbox for normal users in the first place though, should it?
22:29:45amiconnI think not; I am for keeping the dot, so it does not show up in Rockbox (unless you set it to "all").
22:30:08[IDC]Dragonscott666: I woudn't hide it in the "show all files" mode.
22:30:29scott666would most users have 'show all' on though?
22:30:43[IDC]Dragonamiconn: that's not a property of the dot, but the extension.
22:30:44ricflairwhat voltage power supply should i use for my archos jukebox 20
22:30:57scott6666V 700mah iirc
22:31:17[IDC]Dragonfor FM and V2: 6V, else 9V
22:31:47scott666polarity is also important, but i cant remember which is the correct way
22:31:50ricflairso v9 for the jukebox recorder 20? thanks. also what connection?
22:32:01LinusNcenter positive
22:32:01[IDC]Dragoncenter positive
22:32:04amiconn[IDC]Dragon: You are right, but since it was also hidden at the time it was called .dirname.mp3, it is also a property of the dot to hide files in Rockbox.
22:32:07ricflaircan it damage my jukebox
22:32:23ricflairwhat is center posotive, is that posotive to posotive or the other way around
22:32:30LinusNmake sure you have the right polarity
22:32:31ricflairhow do i make sure i dont damage it
22:32:38Laurent_is Bjorn Stenberg coming here sometime ?
22:32:48LinusNnot very often nowadays
22:33:36[IDC]Dragonbecause he'd have a strong opinion about naming talkbox clips?
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22:33:52ricflairhow can i make sure i have the right polarisation? on my adapter it has a 2 pin end with an attatchment that has entry points for the 2 pins, how od i know which way around it goes
22:34:00[IDC]DragonHi amansinger!
22:34:01Laurent_I'm working again on the gmini firmware, since he managed to guess the unpacking algorythm for the av models I wondered if I could try to apply it to the gmini's
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22:34:41amansingerHi, IDC
22:35:01LinusNLaurent_: bjorn at haxx dot se
22:35:10Laurent_I'm writing the mail ;)
22:35:34amansingerHey, IDC, do you have a second?
22:35:41[IDC]DragonLaurent_: recently I've sent a "customer" your way.
22:35:48[IDC]Dragonamansinger: yes?
22:36:23amansingerSorry to bug you with this, but I'm wondering how far you are with Talkbox in general
22:36:25Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: which ones ? I got three the last days ! May be they breeded ? ;)
22:36:54LinusNamansinger: try it out and you'll find out
22:36:54amansingerIDC: as you may know, I'd very much like to write the docs for it, but don't want to start before you're finished, so I can get everything in.
22:36:56[IDC]Dragonamansinger: what do you mean, how far?
22:37:18amansingerI mean, is it complete? Do you have anything else in the pipe that
22:37:37amansingermay change the docs substancially?
22:37:41[IDC]Dragonamansinger: I don't expect much more to come, do you?
22:38:10ricflairhow do i make sure that the adapter is posotive central
22:38:22LinusNricflair: with a multimeter
22:38:37BC|eatinglight bulb & a diode
22:38:41ricflairoh god i dont have one of those
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22:39:19amansingerI don't think there's very much left. I mean you're obviously not going to get the games talking <laugh>. Perhaps some of the rocks as to flashing and/or stopwatch, any way to read the recording metre... There doesn't seem to be much else
22:39:36ricflairwhat will happen if i plug it in and its not central posotive
22:39:47amiconn[IDC]Dragon: As you mention talkbox - you told recently that you did some research concerning the "swallowing" of the beginning of clips if they are switched.
22:39:51ricflairwould central posotive be + to - or + to +
22:40:10[IDC]Dragonamiconn: I still do
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22:40:21LinusNhola Bagder
22:40:26Bagderhi ho
22:40:36amiconnI would like to know at which point you captured the byte stream, since you told that the frame structure you got was correct. Did you capture the serial data going to the mas, or at some earlier point.
22:41:16[IDC]Dragonamiconn: I logged what I have transferred via DMA.
22:41:32[IDC]Dragonamiconn: No real measurement.
22:41:55[IDC]Dragonamiconn: But give me a minute with amansinger.
22:42:33[IDC]Dragonamansinger: There are a couple of "wishes" left, but they'd be hard to achieve.
22:43:14[IDC]DragonLike, localized number speaking, localized spelling of special chars, recording beep.
22:44:20[IDC]DragonI don't have the intention to make Rockbox fully usable up to the very last corner without vision.
22:45:10[IDC]DragonSo take the voice UI as what it is, some help to certain extent, but I'm not aiming for 100% accessibility.
22:45:33[IDC]Dragon(Sorry to maybe disappoint)
22:47:07Laurent_Oh, BTW, I have confirmation that Archos is using linux for its future projects
22:47:19Laurent_(read a thread about it during CeBit time)
22:47:34[IDC]DragonLaurent_: I've had that unit in my hands.
22:47:52Laurent_a friend of mine accidentaly got in contact with the developer and talks regularly with him
22:48:00amansingerIDC: you have most of it accessible at the moment. The rest seems to be cosmetic.
22:48:01[IDC]DragonThe AV500.
22:48:25Laurent_even the current AV models would be nice with linux
22:48:53Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: I guess it looks like a full fledged PDA ?
22:49:00[IDC]DragonThe AV500 is much nicer in form factor.
22:49:32[IDC]DragonYes, like an Ipaq.
22:50:12Laurent_Apparentely there's still no usb master though...
22:50:24[IDC]DragonYes it does.
22:50:42Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: huh ? do you mean they finally understood ? great ;)
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22:51:02[IDC]DragonIt's got 2 USB port, one is a slave, the other one a full fledged master.
22:51:21[IDC]DragonOops, we scared poor Aman.
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22:51:36Bagderusb otg can solve that with one port
22:51:38[IDC]DragonHello again!
22:52:03[IDC]DragonBagder: but the full port supports multiple devices.
22:52:08Laurent_[IDC]Dragon: let's just hope they won't price it much too higher than a PDA
22:52:29amansingerIDC: sorry about that. Mirc decided it was time to quit, and it, rather than I, controls the IRC connection. Anyhow, as I was trying to say...
22:53:13Laurent_amansinger: I suggest you use gaim instead of mirc, much more practical and secure
22:53:25amansingerDo you anticipate any changes in how to install/remove/enable/disable the UI at the moment.
22:54:07Laurent_scott666: so they finally made it GPL compliant ? ;)
22:54:08[IDC]Dragonamansinger: No.
22:54:33Laurent_LinusN: does it exist under windows ?
22:55:01Laurent_'didn't know, i'm one neuron smarter ;)
22:55:53amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I am asking (talkbox clip problem) because I have some ideas what might cause the problem.
22:55:54amansingerRight, thanks. Hope to have it done by late next week, and then someone can insert any LCD screens that need to be inserted.
22:56:14[IDC]Dragonamansinger: Thank you very much.
22:57:50amansingerThanks again, and as always for your work. You haven't gotten full accessibility, but you have made what is, basically, the first even partially accessible player. As I may have said before, all we have is CD/Flash based units which range from twice the price of the archos to around 5 times its price. Very good work indeed.
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22:58:39[IDC]Dragonamansinger: Your're welcome.
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22:59:20Laurent_I have no jukebox but the voice ui is certainly a great idea indeed
22:59:44scott666think rockbox will get /.ed again when 2.3 comes out with the voice UI?
22:59:58Laurent_scott666: I hope so !
23:00:09[IDC]Dragonamansinger: The "missing" parts are not so much laziness, but points where it would become very hairy are have a high cost (=code size).
23:01:00[IDC]Dragonamansinger: And there's always the problem that we can't play clips while playing, recording, or even paused.
23:02:22[IDC]Dragonsomebody suggested flipping some MAS bit instead that creates a click, possibly a beep when done rapidly, but this is a very special case.
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23:03:07amansingerAs I said, most of them are cosmetic (OK, cosmetic for me, an English speaker who's able to hold the unit in a hand when recording and feel the drive spin up when I hit play). The only thing I'd like to see (OK, here we go again...), is a key to spell. Going step by step through a file looking for one specific file is great, but it would be nice to wiz along hearing file 1, 2, etc, and then hit something and hear th
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23:03:25[IDC]Dragon(no volume control, depends an which MAS, may have side effects, needs a timer, etc.)
23:04:10Laurent_amansinger: after reading the blind users posts on the list I wondered if there are any "braille" LCD on the market ?
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23:05:17amansingerWhen would this beep/click be spoken? As I said, with recording, and with most operations actually (bookmarking too), you can feel the disk spin up and save if you have a hand on the unit
23:05:36[IDC]Dragonamansinger: this "spell key" may easily come.
23:06:14[IDC]DragonEither with the customizable F2/F3, or by using stop.
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23:06:42[IDC]DragonI'm sortof waiting for the customizable menus.
23:06:45amansingerLaurent: Yes and no. Not an LCD, but there is a braille display. It's usually linear (I've heard stories about one that takes up five or six lines but never seen one, one of those things that's always on the way :) The roblem with them is they cost $50 a cell (cell = letter), and break easily, as well as being hard to install
23:07:38amansingerAhh, I see. I thought that had died somehow.
23:08:48[IDC]DragonLinusN: Do you read? How about the stop key while browsing?
23:08:58amansingerWill the customizable menu allow key mapping? For example, I couldn't care less about F3 quick menu. I'd like to have f3 simply add a bookmark or something like that, and those who can have quick menus would want them.
23:09:16LinusN[IDC]Dragon: works on recorder, not on player
23:09:30amansingerThe stop key does now, but only when you're set to spell already.
23:09:34[IDC]DragonLinusN: same with F2/F3, I'm afraid.
23:10:10amansingerWhat about some combo like on+left?
23:10:39[IDC]Dragoncombos are politically incorrect here. ;-)
23:10:46amansingerRB uses on+play for a menu
23:11:08LinusNwe are working to get rid of most combos
23:11:23amansingerWoopsy, I shouldn't have reminded you of that one then. What about on+up on the recorder units?
23:11:31Laurent_amansinger: ok I see, I wondered if there would be some way to replace LCDs by braille screens. But given the costs, this seems difficult.
23:11:46amansingerand on+down. Seriously, though, may I ask why?
23:12:09LinusNwhy what?
23:12:10amansingerNo, I was just mentioning combos, not suggesting key assignments
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23:12:28amansingerWhy combos arepolitically off and why you're working to get rid of them.
23:12:36LinusNwe want to be able to operate the jukebox with one hand
23:13:19amansingerUmm and you can't now with the on+play? It can be done with the unit in a pocket (speaking from experience here).
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23:14:07LinusNamansinger: not easily
23:14:18amansingerPerhaps that idea Andrias (sorry about the spelling) put forward earlier has some merrit. Hover over the thing for a time and get it spelled.
23:14:31amansingerAdmitted. Not easily.
23:15:18[IDC]DragonMaybe a spell combo is not so bad. It's a very special function anyway.
23:15:26amansingerLaurent: it has been done on several PCs and laptops. The problem is cost and weight.
23:16:05BCone of the comments offered against Phoneme reading was that we could not cross-fade the samples, so with the stereo->mono mixdown idea that's one problem down
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23:16:29amansingerI'd agree, if I may (obviously), keep in mind that ppeople aren't going to use it all that often or, rather, they aren't going to use it all that often with one hand.
23:17:34Laurent_amansinger: ok, I see
23:18:48amiconnBC: I read about your mixdown idea, but I think this is not possible with mp3 (even if the "dualchannel" encoding is used) since the data in an mp3 frame is huffman coded. It may be possible with mp2, though.
23:20:18BCami: thanks, I have had no luck finding info on the mp3 *data* structure, so any help is good help :)
23:20:54amiconnBC: Perhaps you may have a look at the lame sources.
23:21:08CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 22 minutes at the last flood
23:21:08*BC panics at the thought
23:21:12[IDC]DragonBC: google for ISO 11172-3 pdf.
23:21:41*BC goolging
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23:22:16amiconnBC: I did that to get the CRC algorithm for mpeg audio frames, and found it. Perhaps I may write an mpeg audio check tool that can check frame structure *and* crc, if present.
23:23:03[IDC]Dragonamiconn: my rvfmux contains a frame checker.
23:23:27amiconn[IDC]Dragon: You *do* crc?
23:23:35[IDC]Dragonno, frames.
23:24:05BC[IDC]Dragon: thanks for that - that might be just what I need
23:24:22BCamiconn: cool
23:24:41mattzzooops, wrong window
23:24:45mattzzbtw: hi
23:25:07amiconnYes, there are several tools that check (and some try to fix) frame structure, but not CRC. This is something I want for checking Rockbox recording.
23:25:30[IDC]Dragonamiconn: I also have CRC routines, you know.
23:25:45[IDC]Dragonmp3 uses a 16 bit CRC
23:26:16[IDC]Dragongenerator polynomial is X16 + X15 + X2 + 1
23:26:23amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Yes I know, as I found the algorithm.
23:27:07[IDC]Dragonso it shoudn't be too hard.
23:27:19amiconn(from the lame source)
23:28:11amiconnI would like to tell you my thoughts about the talkbox clip switching problem.
23:28:11[IDC]Dragonamiconn: you mentioned some ideas about the broken clip transitions?
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23:28:41amiconnYes, that's why I wanted to know exactly at which point you captured the data.
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23:29:56[IDC]DragonI make a little protocol on what I hand over to the DMA#
23:30:17amiconnWithin Rockbox, yes?
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23:30:55[IDC]Dragonwhich pretty much is queue_clip()
23:31:04[IDC]Dragonin the box, yes.
23:31:25[IDC]Dragonthe exeption is the transition.
23:31:44[IDC]DragonHere I pause the DMA, read its pointer.
23:32:02amiconnYes, in shutup(), I had a look at it.
23:32:13[IDC]DragonFrom there I do a quick frame search, you know, OK.
23:33:08amiconnFirst thing is, you should take out the silent frame insertion, since the voice file may have a different sampling frequency.
23:33:21[IDC]Dragonalready done here, yes.
23:33:46[IDC]DragonI've learned more about bit reservoir, found out it's bullshit.
23:34:28[IDC]DragonBit reservoir means the nxt frame has a "pointer" into the previous.
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23:34:58[IDC]DragonBut if a new clip starts, we don't have a problem.
23:35:14amiconnSecond, you first stop the dma, then immediately read its pointer. The question is: at which byte does it point at this moment?
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23:35:36LinusNamiconn: at the next to transmit
23:35:42[IDC]Dragonthe spec says at the first not-transferred byte.
23:36:04[IDC]DragonI think I already did +/- 1 experiments.
23:36:41amiconnYes, that's what the SH hw manual says. The thing is that the serial i/f also has a one byte buffer. If you stop the transfer, maybe it does not get transferred.
23:37:07LinusN[IDC]Dragon: the bit reservoir is still a problem if you have edited the clips
23:37:17[IDC]DragonI only stop the DMA, not the serial. (do I?)
23:37:53[IDC]DragonLinusN: the voice file is a bunch of independently encoded clips.
23:38:28amiconnYes, you do stop the dma transfer to the serial i/f. What if the SH tries to be clever and stops the serial transfer immediately as well?
23:38:49LinusNthat would be extremely silly
23:39:02[IDC]DragonThe SH doesn't even know it's the serial.
23:39:08LinusNand i very much doubit it
23:39:19amiconnThere is another possibility that would be even worse: Maybe the serial transfer is really stopped immediately, even when a byte is transferred half-way
23:39:52mattzzSorry for jumping in - what does this mean: I04:IllInstr at 0000404
23:39:54LinusNthe serial interface is separate from the dma
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23:40:03LinusNmattzz: bad news :-)
23:40:22LinusNit means that the CPU has gone picking daisies in memory
23:40:24mattzzLinusN: dammit, thought I found an easteregg....
23:41:17LinusNcan you repeat it?
23:41:37mattzzLinusN: kind of memory exception? Yes, I can repeat it with my very special plugin...
23:41:54[IDC]Dragonoops, mp3_play_pause() uses SCR0
23:42:02LinusNah, so it's your code that causes it
23:42:12[IDC]Dragonmeaning, it doesn't pause the DMA, but the serial
23:42:17mattzzLinusN: yup, thats for sure
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23:42:49amiconnLinusN, [IDC]Dragon: Shouldn't it pause the DMA instead?
23:42:54LinusN[IDC]Dragon: i believe I had a reason to do that
23:43:13amiconnSo my ideas weren't that bad at all...
23:43:30LinusNin the stone age, i found it better to stop the serial port instead of the dma, but i can't remember why
23:43:49LinusNamiconn: yes, you're on to something
23:43:52[IDC]Dragoncan we stop the DMA?
23:43:58LinusNyes we can
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23:44:40solarishello, i'm glad to see masters picking their brains....
23:45:14solarisif i may, kindly point me where i can start on rs232 boot mod?
23:45:36LinusNsolaris: you have serial modded your box?
23:45:38solarisi read documentation section but i need more info
23:45:53solarisnot even close
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23:46:07LinusNfm recorder?
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23:46:21LinusNah, v2
23:46:22[IDC]Dragonsolaris: are you Jake?
23:46:28solarisi am
23:46:38solarisi left few messages
23:46:45solaristrying to figure this out
23:46:51[IDC]DragonAh, I was just answering your posting.
23:46:55LinusNi can't understand why the original firmware doesn't start ajbrec.ajz
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23:47:06[IDC]DragonBut IRC keeps me very busy tonight.
23:47:21[IDC]DragonLinusN: neither can I.
23:47:47[IDC]Dragonsolaris: is the F1-Archos s/w fully operational?
23:47:51solarisi have it next to me and if i can throw this at you, i will
23:47:58solarisi think so
23:48:10solarisi can play mp3's and all
23:48:14LinusNsolaris: how is it partitioned?
23:48:16[IDC]Dragonwhat do you want to throw?
23:48:23[IDC]Dragonat whom?
23:48:23solarisit's not partitioned
23:48:36LinusNthen partition it and try again
23:48:37solarisnot divided
23:49:02LinusNjust a single type C primary partition
23:49:12solarisi'll try that
23:49:19solarisbut i even formatted the whole thing
23:49:25LinusNi know
23:49:35[IDC]Dragonyou can try if it loads an Archos .ajz from disk
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23:53:27solarisok, using partition magic to format
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23:53:59LinusNmake sure it's FAT32 LBA (type c)
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