#rockbox 2004-04-26

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#rockbox log for 2004-04-26

00:01:01	BioHazard	so now i write a calculation function?
00:01:08	diddystar5	yes
00:01:38	BioHazard	new function or inside while(!plugin_ok)?
00:01:39	midk	yeah
00:01:45	midk	new function for simplicity
00:01:49	diddystar5	int calc_dskdjsk {int ans = this_number-thisrunber; return ans}
00:01:51	diddystar5	:)
00:02:06	midk	well you could have an input() function and a calculate() function
00:02:15	midk	in the while loop calling input()
00:02:26	midk	when done in input() call calculate()
00:03:28	BioHazard	so
00:03:28	BioHazard	while (!PLUGIN_OK){
00:03:28	BioHazard	input();}
00:03:57	midk	right.
00:03:59	midk	:)
00:04:10	midk	you can do the calculation framework
00:04:19	midk	then we can do the interface together
00:04:27	BioHazard	now calculating things in rockbox is the same C as anything
00:04:46	midk	yup
00:04:53	BioHazard	or are there rb->add kinds of things?
00:05:02	midk	we don't need rb-> at this point
00:05:38	BioHazard	q = (i * .0825); = tax calculation framework. ooooooh complicated
00:05:53	midk	lol
00:05:54	midk	*claps
00:05:57	midk	hmm
00:06:02	midk	well q is an int right
00:06:07	BioHazard	yea
00:06:12	midk	thus it would round to the next whole number
00:06:15	midk	not very accurate
00:06:21	BioHazard	i = input amount, q = output amount
00:06:35	BioHazard	it outputs in cents
00:06:42	diddystar5	BioHazard, you will not be able to do any sin tan functions etc, basicly no floating point stuff, trust me, i have tried it :)
00:06:53	midk	so like for 5.74 output it would say "574?
00:07:12	BioHazard	you input in cents, it outputs in cents
00:07:31	midk	so $5.74" == "574"?
00:07:34	BioHazard	diddystar: you dont need sin and cosin for tax calculations...
00:07:40	midk	LOL
00:07:49	midk	i told you about complications
00:08:27	BioHazard	well, stuff like that is just BS, so its not confusing
00:08:35	midk	was he serious?
00:08:58	BioHazard	<diddystar5> BioHazard, you will not be able to do any sin tan functions etc, basicly no floating point stuff, trust me, i have tried it :)
00:08:58	diddystar5	but, dont you want it to be a full calc also?
00:09:03	scott666	multiplying by fractions is a good way to get around int limitations...like instead of (x * .75), ((x * 3) / 4)
00:09:03	BioHazard	no
00:09:15	BioHazard	its just a tax calculator
00:09:19	midk	lol
00:09:21	BioHazard	im just learning
00:09:26	diddystar5	but, add the tax calc in with a normal calc :)
00:09:28	*	scott666 wants a full calculator
00:09:35	midk	scott maybe later today
00:09:47	midk	scott actually i could do it
00:09:49	midk	later on ok
00:09:57	midk	ok ok
00:10:00	midk	so now
00:10:00	diddystar5	i think you people are silly
00:10:04	scott666	by full all i mean is + - * / ^
00:10:05	diddystar5	im goign to make a real calc
00:10:09	midk	yesssssssss
00:10:10	midk	oaky
00:10:27	diddystar5	scott666, join #calculator :)
00:10:33	scott666	nothing complicated
00:10:36	midk	bio: with me?
00:10:38	BioHazard	diddystar: im sure you just <i>started</i> coding at carmack level huh... not all of us are like that...
00:10:39	midk	scott OKAY
00:10:40	midk	lol
00:10:56	scott666	lol
00:10:57	midk	heh what am i missing here
00:11:00	diddystar5	well, a norm cacl isnt that much harder.. if harder at all
00:11:00	BioHazard	<i>ANYWAY</i>
00:11:26	midk	bio: try "ctrl + i"
00:11:32	midk	hmm maybe not
00:11:34	midk	ctrl b
00:11:35	midk	:D
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00:11:41	midk	yo yo yo yo yo
00:11:46	midk	la la la la LAAAAAA
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00:11:53	scott666	how are you inputting the rate and stuff?
00:11:56	scott666	or are we not that far?
00:12:00	midk	nto that far
00:12:03	midk	about to do it now
00:12:08	midk	ok so bio
00:12:17	diddystar5	#calculator
00:12:18	midk	calculate() is all ready?
00:12:41	scott666	diddystar5: im not coming
00:12:42	diddystar5	#calcualtor , for all talk about makeing calculators :)
00:12:59	diddystar5	scott666, comeon, you can get your name on the credits :)
00:13:42	BioHazard	calculate is an awful small function
00:13:48	scott666	BC'll get mad if i start somethin else...he'll think i abondoned blackjack...which i should probably work on
00:13:49	scott666	heh
00:13:54	midk	heh bio..
00:13:57	midk	mm
00:14:08	midk	LOL
00:14:12	midk	like one line huh
00:14:20	BioHazard	yea
00:14:38	midk	ok let's do this a different way
00:14:50	midk	put the calculation line in the while loop
00:14:55	midk	while(!PLUGIN_OK)
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00:15:10	BioHazard	im changing i to input and q to output
00:15:33	midk	ok
00:15:44	midk	wasn't it already that way?
00:15:51	BioHazard	i = cash, q = tax
00:16:07	BioHazard	i changed the names
00:16:21	BioHazard	so thier easier to keep track of
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00:17:21	midk	wait
00:17:29	midk	i = cash, q = tax, i + q = total?
00:17:49	BioHazard	k, so as it sits now, the program will calculate the tax on 500 cents over and over forever
00:18:06	midk	right.
00:18:08	BioHazard	tax = (cash * .0825);
00:18:13	midk	right
00:18:16	midk	and
00:18:21	midk	total = tax + cash; ?
00:18:26	scott666	that wont be very accurate though
00:18:31	midk	scott come on.
00:18:37	diddystar5	you make you stinky TAX calc, i make a real calc :)
00:18:41	scott666	i think .08 = 0 to the compiler
00:18:58	midk	should we move to pm? lol
00:19:03	BioHazard	it works in TCPPLite
00:19:06	scott666	these are ints, floats
00:19:21	midk	here's what we'll do
00:19:33	midk	int cash, tax, total;
00:19:38	midk	cash = input
00:19:41	midk	tax = tax amount
00:19:45	midk	total = cash + tax
00:19:51	BioHazard	you can int more than one thing per line?
00:19:56	scott666	tax = cash * rate?
00:20:06	midk	yes bio
00:20:10	midk	er
00:20:12	BioHazard	cool!
00:20:25	midk	then after that do "cash = 500;"
00:20:30	midk	to default it to $5
00:20:32	scott666	you mean like int cash, tax, total = 0;?
00:20:49	midk	scott no.
00:21:04	midk	this is getting sort of confusing now
00:21:39	midk	ok got that bio
00:21:46	midk	sorry this is getting hectic
00:22:12	diddystar5	then join #calculator for calc specific talk
00:22:12	BioHazard	k, just for clarification, this is a simple SIMPLE 51Mp13 program to messily calculate tax at a hard-coded rate
00:22:23	midk	yes.
00:22:31	midk	can you paste me what you've got
00:22:33	midk	so far
00:22:41	midk	so we can continue instead of argue about rates
00:22:42	BioHazard	i know you understand, but nobody else seems to
00:23:10	midk	the reason i split it up into cash, tax, and total is so we can do it like a recepit
00:23:12	BioHazard	<i>anyway...<i/>
00:23:13	midk	receipt*
00:23:16	midk	subtotal: x
00:23:20	midk	tax: x
00:23:21	midk	total: x
00:23:25	BioHazard	good idea
00:23:40	midk	now we'll do, right after those ints, "cash = 500;
00:23:43	midk	for default
00:24:16	BioHazard	int price = 500, tax, total;
00:24:51	BioHazard	or do i need to set the value of price seperatly
00:25:04	midk	set it seperately
00:25:05	midk	you could either to
00:25:06	midk	do*
00:25:17	midk	int price, tax, total; price = 500;
00:25:26	midk	or int tax, total; int price = 500;
00:25:31	midk	up to you
00:26:04	BioHazard	ah, ok
00:26:11	BioHazard	so it needs to be seperate
00:26:13	BioHazard	k,
00:26:19	midk	i'd do the first one
00:26:36	midk	so you can comment on the "price = 500;" with /* default to $5 */
00:26:46	BioHazard	already did
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00:27:01	midk	good
00:27:07	midk	ok, let's start on the input function
00:27:21	midk	void input(void) { to start
00:27:30	BioHazard	got it already
00:27:34	midk	ok
00:27:39	BioHazard	how do i do button handling
00:27:50	midk	let's do the interface first
00:28:00	BioHazard	does it need (void) or will () work?
00:28:00	ze	http://www.macally.com/new/new_syncbox.html
00:28:02	diddystar5	do core code first
00:28:10	midk	either works
00:29:11	midk	actually bio
00:29:20	midk	it would be simpler just do it all in the while loop
00:29:42	midk	heh sorry we're not moving anywhere
00:29:48	BioHazard	if input() only gets called once, id move it there at the end
00:29:54	midk	after your ints you call rb->lcd_setfont(FONT_SYSFIXED);
00:30:06	midk	that sets the font to a system font
00:30:21	midk	to ensure it all fits on the screen
00:30:22	BioHazard	not inside a function?
00:30:23	scott666	ze: interesting
00:30:29	midk	bio: nope
00:30:41	ze	yeah i thought so
00:30:41	ze	heh
00:30:42	midk	after the ints will do fine
00:30:57	scott666	does it say how the UI works?
00:31:13	midk	heh bio let's move to pm
00:31:15	ze	i only looked at that one page and moved on to other things
00:31:18	midk	our productivity is decreasing
00:31:23	midk	linearly
00:31:24	BioHazard	yeah
00:31:34	BioHazard	forget these "others"
00:31:46	scott666	seems like a good idea, but i dont see how you choose what to transfer
00:32:25	ze	you mean for the indicated-folder transfer mode? i dunno heh
00:32:34	ze	i wondered that too
00:32:45	scott666	you should send that to the list
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00:33:17	ze	heh
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00:34:54	ze	i'm not on the list anymore
00:34:54	ze	not for a long time now
00:35:19	scott666	i will then
00:35:20	scott666	heh
00:35:44	ze	ok hehe
00:36:36	midk	hey ze
00:37:33	ze	hey mid
00:37:33	ze	you got a karma?
00:37:33	ze	heh
00:37:33	midk	nope
00:37:33	midk	av320
00:37:33	midk	oyah oyah
00:37:41	ze	well i just found your post about the intro play feature on the karma...
00:37:42	ze	heh
00:38:03	deadite66	thanks ze posted that link on http://newmp3technology.net
00:38:20	deadite66	it must just copy everything over though
00:38:33	ze	well it says it has a mode to copy a specified folder
00:38:44	ze	i didn't see anything about how to select what folder though
00:38:44	ze	heh
00:38:47	midk	a DESIGNATED FOLDER
00:38:51	midk	hiss
00:38:54	ze	heh
00:38:59	scott666	sent to the rockbox list
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00:53:12	yeft	hiyoo
00:53:41	midk	YEFTY
00:55:02	yeft	heh i gotta go
00:55:06	yeft	but it was fun to stop in
00:55:07	midk	um
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00:55:10	midk	wtf is that about
00:55:14	midk	you come in for like 2 seconds
00:56:26	ze	actually it was 2 minutes
00:56:39	midk	stfu ze
00:56:41	midk	heh jk
00:56:43	ze	:p
00:57:28	scott666	timestamps are a beautiful thing
00:57:59	midk	scott loves timestamps
00:57:59	midk	you know you want them scott
00:58:00	midk	you know you want those timestamps
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02:18:03	BC	anyone know how long is a "tick" in button_get_with_tmo
02:18:03	BC	?
02:18:03	midk	hz = 1s
02:18:42	DBUG	Enqueued KICK BC
02:18:42	BC	HZ is 1S of sleep(), but I get the feeling that it is not 1S of button_get_with_tmo()
02:19:04	midk	10ms ?
02:19:21	BC	Is that a question?
02:19:27	midk	i think it's 10ms
02:19:44	BC	does anybody know for sure?
02:19:49	BC	(cheers mk)
02:19:50	midk	BioHazard probably
02:19:54	midk	he was talking to me about it
02:19:59	midk	he said it must be 10ms
02:20:14	BC	problem is that there a timing emulation issues with win32sim
02:20:26	midk	yeah
02:21:35	BioHazard	from what i can figure out 1tic = 10ms
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03:11:03	scott666	they have 3 programs
03:11:34	scott666	winzip, winrar, winace
03:12:00	BC	lol
03:12:12	scott666	to kazaa i go
03:12:30	BC	when did this turn into a warez grup?
03:12:42	scott666	it didnt
03:16:31	scott666	only thing kazaa turned up was a startrk TNG episode
03:16:48	scott666	damnit
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05:30:05	scott666	anyone have suggestions for questions to put in the FMR/V2 battery FAQ?
05:31:44	midk	Q: "can scott become a non-dipshit?" A: "This is not possible due to hardware limitations"
05:32:48	scott666	right, cause im just covered in hardware
05:32:52	scott666	like a borg...
05:33:07	midk	hardware / personality limitations*
05:33:17	scott666	better
05:35:24	midk	jking btw
05:35:42	scott666	i know
05:35:48	midk	:)
05:35:55	scott666	otherwise youd already be dead :-)
05:36:06	midk	LOL no
05:40:44	scott666	any serious suggestions?
05:41:19	midk	got replacement site included?
05:42:25	scott666	yup
05:42:37	midk	replacement instructions?
05:45:02	scott666	do now
05:45:37	midk	?
05:45:40	midk	oh
05:45:42	midk	mm
05:46:01	midk	how does the life compare to the rec batts?
05:47:33	scott666	good question
05:47:54	scott666	depends on the mAh of the batteries in the recorder
05:48:02	scott666	against the 1500s it should be longer
05:48:07	midk	yeah
05:48:10	scott666	against, say, 2300s, it should be shorter
05:48:27	midk	i meant put that q in the faq
05:48:27	midk	lol
05:48:56	scott666	do you think a lot of people will ask it/
05:49:05	midk	it's possible
05:49:28	midk	how about "how long is the battery's life" and also "how long does it last under normal usage?"
05:49:34	midk	either if they aren't there
05:49:40	scott666	ok
05:50:03	midk	-i'm a true visionary
05:54:01	scott666	added
05:54:28	scott666	i just need somone to frequently ask me questions
05:54:29	scott666	lol
05:55:10	midk	are you a lowlife
05:55:36	scott666	?
05:55:51	midk	frequently asking you questions.
05:55:55	midk	do you enjoy toe jam?
05:56:27	scott666	*relevant questions
05:56:46	midk	relevant to?
05:56:56	scott666	the FMR/V2 battery FAQ
05:57:01	midk	ah
05:57:10	midk	how about
05:58:04	midk	"would you say that '3===D' is a relatively good mockup of how the battery looks?"
05:59:42	scott666	A: no, but thats an almost perfectly to scale model of a certain appendage of midk's
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06:00:34	midk	yeah i guess my pointer fingernail is a bit short
06:02:10	scott666	A (cont): fortuanately there are tweezers with sticky pads for aid in this area
06:02:35	midk	make sure the sticky pads are a bit thick
06:02:41	midk	it helps if they cushion a bit
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06:46:36	silas_a	what CPU does the archos use?
06:46:53	midk	mm
06:46:55	midk	faq
06:47:03	silas_a	oh, my bad
06:47:08	midk	SH031 or something lol
06:47:20	midk	i think its on the faq
06:49:18	silas_a	sh1 it seems
06:50:08	midk	yeah thats it
06:50:10	midk	i think
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08:14:11	midk	lol start over
08:14:15	midk	yo c0utta
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17:34:05	Crtpsn	Is there anyone alive here? I have a question to ask.
17:34:53	limbus	let's try it
17:35:04	Crtpsn	how do I turn it off, the unit
17:35:13	Crtpsn	i have studio
17:35:43	limbus	I only have a recorder. it turns of by holding down the off-button for a second or two
17:36:02	Crtpsn	I don't have that button
17:36:14	limbus	give it a try with the stop-button
17:36:57	limbus	furthermore, a recorder connected to the power supply (running rockbox, understood) cannot be switched off
17:42:01	Crtpsn	stop does stop play but won't turn the unit off, I hold it for a long time
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17:55:00	limbus	Crtpsn: would the idle poweroff-function suit your needs ?
17:55:25	Crtpsn	Sure but it would be nice to turn it off manually as well.
17:56:46	limbus	ok, I just meant, at least it works. rockbox is still able to switch off itself
17:58:44	limbus	he rockbox-manual actualy says nothing about switching it off. ever had a look in the archos manual ?
17:58:49	limbus	THE *
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18:05:42	Crtpsn	The original firm that came with the player had STOP button to turn it off, doesn't do such with Rockbox 2.2
18:06:02	Crtpsn	Couldn't find anything in PDF on-line
18:06:59	Crtpsn	I don't know if idle turns it off yet, just set it to 1min
18:07:02	limbus	mhmm. why would the developers have configured it to another button if there is no "better" function/action for holding "off" ?
18:07:35	limbus	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/ gives you a pdf and pure text manual
18:07:39	Crtpsn	I am not aware that there is any other button now
18:07:49	Crtpsn	I can text search PDF too
18:08:35	limbus	FAQ: 46. I keep shutting off my player in my pocket. Can the OFF (Recorder) or STOP (Player) key be locked?
18:08:35	limbus	No. Unfortunately, the ON/OFF mechanisms are handled entirely in hardware. The firmware can read the keys, but can't prevent them from shutting off the player.
18:08:48	Crtpsn	nope, one min passed, didn't turn off. I might as well take batteries out. :(
18:09:43	limbus	so you seem to have a hardware-problem. switching off in handled in hardware, it may not work in archos proper firmware too
18:09:51	Crtpsn	now it just froze
18:10:43	limbus	did it before ? I mean 10 minutes before ?
18:11:49	Crtpsn	Nope, I didn't have it enabled. I just upped the firm like 30 mins ago.
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18:13:35	Crtpsn	I got to go for now, college. I'll chat more this evening. Thank you for trying.
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18:40:02	BC	is there any way to turn the backlight OFF from a plugin?
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18:45:41	ReaDOnlY	Lookin for firmware for the av340 -~
18:46:02	BlueChip	avos.sourceforge
18:46:07	BlueChip	#avos
18:46:15	ReaDOnlY	thx
18:46:18	BlueChip	yw
18:46:38	ReaDOnlY	Rockbox gonna come up with any?
18:46:52	BlueChip	the avos guys are ex-rockboxers ;)
18:46:56	ReaDOnlY	ah hehe
18:47:08	ReaDOnlY	I am retarded with code unfortunatly
18:47:19	ReaDOnlY	looking at the avos website i have to compile the stuff myself?
18:47:32	BlueChip	sadly, not sure
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18:57:22	BlueChip	rb->backlight_set_timeout(0);
18:57:35	BlueChip	seems to work just fine :)
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20:36:46	kaboofa	BlueChip: You can turn the backlight off with the LCD API.
20:36:50	kaboofa	via a plugin
20:38:41	kaboofa	Mmmm, going to find his ESN and rape his phone :D
20:39:22	kaboofa	lcd_backlight(on) - set backlight on/off
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20:39:39	kaboofa	Hi.
20:41:12	BlueChip	cheers kaboofa
20:41:37	kaboofa	cheers :)
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20:41:52	kaboofa	ugh...
20:41:59	kaboofa	like forced quit messages? try HydraIRC
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21:06:48	ElCapi	hey anyone home
21:08:20	kaboofa	moo
21:08:51	ElCapi	cow
21:09:09	kaboofa	what's up?
21:09:21	ElCapi	so i was lookin at the site hows this video plugin work on the archos'
21:09:32	ElCapi	not plugin but u know
21:09:42	kaboofa	ok
21:10:02	kaboofa	what you need to do is make/find rvf files made for rockbox
21:10:12	kaboofa	hold on, i have a site with them somewhere
21:10:21	ElCapi	nono i read how
21:10:22	kaboofa	(not my site, but i have link)
21:10:23	kaboofa	oh
21:10:34	kaboofa	you just "play" the video like you would play a song
21:10:40	ElCapi	but like does it play on the lcd screen or is it to output to a tv
21:10:44	kaboofa	lcd
21:10:54	ElCapi	the quality must be awful tho?
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21:12:47	kaboofa	eh
21:12:48	kaboofa	yeah
21:12:49	kaboofa	it is
21:12:59	kaboofa	but it works for cartoons like southpark or futurama
21:13:16	ElCapi	lol nice
21:13:40	ElCapi	i think ill go buy one today
21:13:53	kaboofa	Hmm
21:13:57	kaboofa	you'll probably want a recorder
21:14:03	kaboofa	and mine is in yellow+black :X
21:14:08	kaboofa	(screen color)
21:14:10	ElCapi	does the recorder have fm?
21:14:12	kaboofa	i dunno if they have colored screens
21:14:17	kaboofa	http://www.archos.com
21:14:19	kaboofa	i don't know.
21:14:31	ElCapi	cuz i found a recorder for 130
21:14:33	kaboofa	I know they released a fm one
21:14:35	ElCapi	great deal
21:15:19	kaboofa	yeah
21:20:46	ElCapi	it says special edition dunno wuts so special about it
21:25:57	ElCapi	i wish they could get a multimedia firmware i want one of those so bad but it isnt worth it with the orignal firmware on it
21:28:18	kaboofa	ugh
21:28:30	kaboofa	my smtp server went down :\|
21:28:56	kaboofa	and my lovely isp drops all connections to/from port 25 unless it's to their server
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22:55:12	CompBrain	hello everyone
22:55:18	Bagder	hi
22:55:25	amiconn	hi
22:55:54	scott666	hey
22:56:17	CompBrain	Im poking around the site, and havent seen anything about FLAC, is there support?
22:56:25	scott666	no
22:56:38	scott666	just mp3
22:57:04	CompBrain	Hmm
22:57:29	CompBrain	Anyone brought up the topic?
22:57:38	Bagder	CompBrain: the playback is done by hw
22:57:42	Bagder	the hw only speak mp3
22:57:52	CompBrain	ahhh
22:57:56	CompBrain	Didnt know that ;)
22:57:59	CompBrain	thanks
22:58:07	CompBrain	learn something every day ;)
22:58:18	Bagder	:-)
22:58:37	CompBrain	Just saw amazon had the 20gb for 120$ and if it did flac, id buy it in 2 seconds
22:58:52	CompBrain	at this point all i see is that god forsaken karma thou
22:59:05	scott666	why did the nodo doc move to the advanced users section?
22:59:23	Bagder	I don't know
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23:00:00	scott666	i would think that doc would be targeted specifically to 'normal' users
23:00:07	Bagder	I agree
23:00:28	Bagder	and that's why I left it there when I fiddled with that page the other day
23:02:28	scott666	you lost me
23:02:59	scott666	you agree its for normal users,but left it in the 'advanced' section anyway?
23:06:24	scott666	im confused
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23:07:25	Bagder	me too
23:07:27	Bagder	:-)
23:07:38	Bagder	ok, I thought it was in the users and was moved to advanced users
23:07:58	Bagder	but I now realize it always was in the advanced users since that header was made
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23:10:22	kaboofa	Hmm
23:10:35	*	kaboofa shakes his fist at his un-working gui
23:10:55	*	kaboofa takes a look at how the 'core' files did it
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23:16:53	kaboofa	eh
23:16:59	kaboofa	i need to figure this out :\|
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23:17:27	*	kaboofa greps the rockbox site for anything about 'menu.h'
23:18:25	LinusN	kaboofa: what?
23:18:48	kaboofa	I'm working in a calculator plugin
23:19:11	kaboofa	and i'm trying to set up a menu so I don't have to display EVERY function on the screen
23:19:17	LinusN	you want an inverted box as a cursor?
23:19:29	LinusN	ah
23:19:31	kaboofa	yeah
23:19:34	kaboofa	or the arrow cursor
23:19:47	kaboofa	i was going to implement a for loop to get the inverted box
23:20:28	LinusN	lcd_invertrect()
23:21:04	kaboofa	thanks much.
23:22:42	LinusN	the menu functions are not exported to the plugins
23:23:45	amiconn	LinusN: Anything new about the recording code? Did you get my suspicion from the logs and could confirm / disprove it?
23:24:05	LinusN	hmmm, what do you suspect?
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23:26:18	kaboofa	LinusN: is it possible to use #include "menu.h" and get access to the menu functions?
23:26:40	LinusN	no
23:26:58	kaboofa	Ugh
23:27:04	amiconn	I suspect that the burst you recorded was by chance the very last burst of the recording. This is because EOD and RTW are both driven by the mas, so they shouldn't be influenced by the recording code.
23:27:30	LinusN	amiconn: i never stopped the recording
23:28:13	amiconn	In addition, if this wasn't the last burst then EOD going low again should have generated another interrupt, so the interrupt routine should have drive PR to high to initiate a new burst, but it didn't
23:28:18	LinusN	(well i did, hours later, when the disk was full :-)
23:28:28	amiconn	*driven
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23:28:57	scott666	Bagder: did you say you wanted me to add my liion battery faq questions to the existing battery faq?
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23:29:17	Bagder	scott666: yes, I think that would be nice
23:29:17	LinusN	amiconn: i'm puzzled too
23:29:45	LinusN	i will need some more analyzing to find out what is going on
23:29:49	amiconn	Did you record other bursts, and do they all look the same? Did you do recordings with a different time resolution to see several bursts in one?
23:29:55	scott666	Bagder: i think the faqs are cluttered as is. it would be nice to get them sorted some how
23:30:03	LinusN	amiconn: yes, and yes
23:30:14	Bagder	scott666: I agree
23:30:46	scott666	Bagder: plus starting users might be confused on what type of battery they have if theyre all in the same page
23:31:37	amiconn	LinusN: How do EOD and RTW behave between several bursts? Any pic available other than http://linus.haxx.se/recording/rec_weird.png ?
23:31:37	Bagder	scott666: I just think it is even more confusing to have several different FAQs regarding batteries and charging
23:32:35	scott666	i disagree
23:32:43	Bagder	hehe
23:32:58	Bagder	so collect the Qs and we'll argue more later on ;-)
23:33:10	scott666	im up to 8
23:33:14	Bagder	possibly rearrange all the FAQ entries
23:33:21	Bagder	if someone has a good idea on how
23:33:36	LinusN	amiconn: no, sorry
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23:34:54	LinusN	amiconn: what i saw is that RTW stayed low for 26.12ms and then a new burst began
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23:42:18	JonasH	hi there. i was thinking about buying the archos gmini 220. does anybody have that one?
23:42:45	amiconn	LinusN: What puzzles me most is how EOD can go from high to low without causing an interrupt.
23:42:47	scott666	not me
23:43:23	scott666	i believe Laurent was working on porting rockbox to it, not sure how far he got though
23:43:26	LinusN	amiconn: exactly
23:44:08	amiconn	And then, later it must cause an interrupt because the recording really works and does not stop.
23:44:30	JonasH	I heard rockbox is really cool, so that would be nice. :-) right now i was wondering about the audio quality...
23:47:32	Bagder	I like it
23:48:37	JonasH	badger: do you have the gmini 220?
23:49:02	Bagder	ah, no I like the rockbox quality ;-)
23:49:15	Bagder	gmini has no rockbox, so I have no gmini
23:49:25	JonasH	lol
23:50:36	scott666	or is it the other way around?
23:51:15	Bagder	hehe
23:52:29	JonasH	rockbox coming out for the muvo2 ? the screen is a bit small, but it could really use better file browsing.
23:52:53	Bagder	we don't turn new platforms
23:53:03	LinusN	we have no plans for any other platform
23:53:05	Bagder	we just don't get anyone willing to do the ports
23:53:40	LinusN	anyone willing to port rockbox is free to do so, and we will help in any way we can
23:53:49	JonasH	i see.. hmm unfortunately my skills are way to limited.
23:54:14	JonasH	but rockbox is a cool idea
23:55:21	kaboofa	Does lcd_puts act like printf, in order to print a integer you have to use printf("%i",int); or cen you use lcd_puts(x,y,"string" & int); ?
23:55:28	kaboofa	s/cen/can/
23:55:45	LinusN	no
23:55:50	Bagder	no
23:56:05	LinusN	snprintf(buf, "%i", int);
23:56:14	kaboofa	Thank you.
23:56:15	LinusN	lcd_puts(x, y, buf);
23:56:23	kaboofa	:)
23:56:23	Bagder	snprintf(buf, bufsize, "%i", int);
23:56:26	Bagder	even
23:56:28	LinusN	:-)
23:56:43	LinusN	nitpick
23:56:47	Bagder	hehe
23:56:57	kaboofa	calc.rock is coming closer and closer to release
23:56:58	kaboofa	heh
23:57:09	LinusN	nice
23:57:20	kaboofa	you can use %d for double, right?
23:57:27	LinusN	oh no
23:57:31	*	kaboofa hasn't coded in C for a verrry long time :\|
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23:57:41	LinusN	we have no floating point support
23:57:42	kaboofa	Java made me retarded...
23:57:46	kaboofa	heh
23:57:49	kaboofa	i'll code my own then!
23:58:11	kaboofa	this is going to take up waaay too much memory
23:58:11	LinusN	good luck
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23:58:22	kaboofa	thanks.... i'll need it.. ;x

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