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#rockbox log for 2004-04-28

00:00:26amiconnAnother idea I've come up with (as an intermediate solution) was using something like "", but I don't want to do so without asking the core crew first.
00:08:33BioHazard|486so about bitmaps... you think im screwed so far? or do you hae an idea?
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00:10:28amiconnUnfortunately I don't have an idea. If your *BIG STRING OF NUMBERS SEPERATED BY COMMAS* was generated by bmp2rb and your source bmp is also 16x16 resolution it should work.
00:10:57BioHazard|48616x16px BMP source
00:11:56BioHazard|486but its 1-bit not 8
00:12:07BioHazard|486might that have anything to do with it?
00:13:27amiconnThis is perfectly ok, since this is what bmp2rb expects (I think). Your number string should consist of 32 hexadecimal numbers. If bmp2rb -a shows it correctly I can't imagine why it should fail on the conversion to .c
00:14:24BioHazard|486well the first comment in the bmp2rbsource is ~"this converts an 8-bit bmp into code"
00:18:28amiconnbmp2rb takes both 8-bit and 1-bit images, see comment at line #241
00:19:18BioHazard|486hmm... well then i dont know why its not working...
00:21:20amiconnDid you remove the last comma (before } ) as mattzz suggested earlier?
00:21:56BioHazard|486with AND without it there it dosent display properly
00:22:26amiconnHmm, this is really strange.
00:22:46BioHazard|486and its like this with 2 different bitmaps
00:25:01BioHazard|486but earlier i created a bitmap to replace the usb screen and it worked correctly
00:32:33BioHazard|486maybe i have a broken bmp2rb?
00:35:46BioHazard|486i do get a compiler warning on that line now
00:36:08amiconnWhat line and which warning?
00:36:44amiconn(just tried to understand that lcd_bitmap() function.)
00:37:02BioHazard|486"warning: passing arg 1 of pointer to function discards qualifiers from pointer target type"
00:37:25BioHazard|486the lcd_bitmap line
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00:42:41amiconnI suppose your bmp_win defintion is verbatim output of bmp2rb and therefore looks like: "const unsigned char bmp_win[] = { ... };"
00:43:59BioHazard|486i changed it to bmp_win[] from out[]
00:44:34amiconnThe point is if there is a "const" or not.
00:44:59BioHazard|486whats a const?
00:45:10amiconn"const unsigned char..."
00:49:00BioHazard|486which means what?
00:50:44amiconnIf your bitmap array is defined "const" this may cause the compiler warning, because lcd_bitmap() expects it non-constant.
00:51:13amiconnI remember midk also got that warning with his clock plugin improvements.
00:51:40amiconnYou could try changing the "const" to "static" and see if the warning goes away (and perhaps it even works correctly).
00:54:44BioHazard|486no errors
00:55:42BioHazard|486but it still displays wrong
01:01:16amiconnYour bitmap is no higher tha 16 pixels and it does not get clipped at the bottom? (No and no if the parameters you supplied eralier are real-world data).
01:01:36BioHazard|486it looks scrambled
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01:03:54BioHazard|486quitting time! ill be back in an hour or so, then we can continue
01:04:16amiconnHmm, I think in an hour I won't be here anymore.
01:04:32amiconn(It's already 1 a.m. here)
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02:16:27ReaDOnlYsup sup
02:20:42top_blokeword dawg
02:21:53ReaDOnlYHow is it goin
02:22:05top_blokeits aight
02:22:06ReaDOnlYI got an av340 and i wanna mount it in my car to plug into my alpine stereo hardwire
02:22:23ReaDOnlYWas wondering if anyone knew of a stand for it that works well with it mounted lengthwise
02:22:23top_blokedamn thats pimp
02:22:33ReaDOnlYYeah, i spent 2000 dollars on all new speakers
02:22:35ReaDOnlYGot a 2003 Montero
02:22:48ReaDOnlYGot MB Quarts and a 1500 watt amp and 2 12" Kickers
02:23:02ReaDOnlYthe archos is gonna go directly into the back of the stereo
02:23:11ReaDOnlYBut i need a stand to make it look nice on the dash
02:23:30top_blokeyeah i'd like a stand too for my archos
02:23:33ReaDOnlYthen i'll drill and do that audio cable running
02:23:40ReaDOnlYi figure there are PDA stands out there that will work
02:23:44ReaDOnlYBut i have been looking and naada
02:24:29top_blokei just seep it on the center thing where u put your elbow
02:24:32top_blokekeep it
02:24:59ReaDOnlYBut my av340 displays video
02:25:04ReaDOnlYI wanna keep that option open also
02:25:09ReaDOnlYfor my kid
02:25:41top_blokemy solution sucks cause it falls over a lot and that cant be good for it
02:25:50top_blokefabricate your own stand
02:25:56top_blokeout of like plastic
02:27:24ReaDOnlYi want it to look nice
02:27:36ReaDOnlYI am an electrician, I don't do a lot of carpentry
02:28:12top_blokethen i dont know
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02:51:24BlueChiphello mr bloke :)
02:51:46sleep21any developers here?
02:52:10BlueChipsleep: may i help
02:52:40CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:52:40*BlueChip does his impression of a cheesy hypnotist
02:53:19sleep21is USB Mass Storage implemented in the firmware or somewhere else?
02:53:50sleep21a guy tried to tell me it was just the driver, but i don't think that's right
02:53:51BlueChiphardware - all the f/w does is enable/diable the hardware on recipt of (bc guesses) an interrupt
02:54:11sleep21its in the hardware?
02:54:32BlueChipits an hitachi USB -> HDD interface chip
02:54:50BlueChipturn it on it works - turn it off it stops
02:55:08sleep21ah, well I'm starting work on a firmware for the Nomad and it doesn't have such a chip
02:55:40sleep21there is an NEC USB2 controller chip though
02:56:13sleep21the Nomad doesn't support mass storage, that's the main thing i want to implement
02:56:36sleep21redchair is not a solution
02:56:43sleep21it's more of a workaround
02:57:03BlueChipright - never really looked at it, just read about it when making my purchase choice
02:57:36sleep21yeah, it makes the nomad accessible from My Computer, but it doesn't provide drive letter access
02:58:09BlueChipyou might be better working on a windoze driver?
02:58:24sleep21there's a number of problems with that
02:58:50sleep21it uses a propriatary FS so unless i format it, letter access is a no go
02:59:09BlueChipdo the conversion in the drive
02:59:23sleep21yeah, but then the player wont work
02:59:40BlueChipwhy's that?
02:59:59sleep21because it's expecting the normal filesystem
03:00:20BlueChipthat's the point of the driver - to convert between the two standards
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03:02:18BlueChipwhat are the specs on the nomad hdd format?
03:03:14BlueChipI presume you can do sector reads and writes via the NEC chip?
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03:26:39BlueChipsleep, you still there?
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04:00:22sleep21hey man
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04:23:44ReaDOnlYsup sup
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07:26:15Greenlight63 can somebody please help me
07:26:25midkme me me pick e
07:26:26Greenlight63my jukebox 20 recoreder wont turn on
07:26:34Greenlight63and it wont charge
07:26:39Greenlight63and it wont conntect to the computer
07:26:46midkdid you charge the batteries externally?
07:27:09Greenlight63when i try to do any thi ng the red lite flashs for a few seconds then turns off
07:27:28Greenlight63im trying to charged extreanally as we speak but i keep getting the red lit thing
07:27:39midkare you flashed
07:27:42midkrockbox flashed?
07:28:02Greenlight63dont know
07:28:07Greenlight63i use rockbox
07:28:12midkdid you flash rockbox i mean
07:28:42Greenlight63what does that mean?
07:29:00midki suppose not then
07:29:21midkwell try charging externally + see what happens
07:29:51Greenlight63its plugged in right now but its not doing anything
07:30:10midkplugging it in doesnt always help if the batteries are dead
07:30:40Greenlight63so what should i do?
07:31:08midk22:29:18 | <midk> well try charging externally + see what happens
07:31:56Greenlight63does that mean plugg it in?
07:32:14midktake out the batteries + charge them in a charger
07:32:22midkor put in AAs temporarily
07:32:38Greenlight63i cant
07:32:47Greenlight63its the archos jukebox recorder 20
07:32:49midkwhy not?
07:33:19midkthe one with the tiny PLAY button?
07:33:24midkyay dwinny
07:33:49midkdoes it have a very small play button in the center
07:33:54midkor are the buttons sort of flat with the jukebox
07:34:30midkdo the arrows sort of raise up towards the play button
07:35:29midkso you must have the curvy sides,
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07:36:01midkm lol?
07:36:21dwihno:-) ?
07:37:04midkheh dunno is he coming back
07:37:55dwihnoDrained batteries should charge with the built in firmware
07:38:26midkhe wasnt saying if he flashed or not...
07:38:30midki assume not
07:38:40midkbut i've heard trouble with disk powerup + low batts
07:38:53dwihnobut if you're only charging, it does not spin up the disk
07:39:43midkdwinho you take care of it.
07:40:09dwihnoCome to chinatown. Ask for Caine. I will help.
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07:54:53midklinusn yay
07:55:39dwihnoYay \o/
07:57:11midkyay linus
07:57:14midk*throws party
07:57:37dwihnoParty? On a wednesday? :)
07:57:49midk*pretends it's saturday
07:59:35dwihnoThat should do the trick \o/
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08:25:09LinusNamiconn: hi
08:25:27LinusNi have made some new measurements
08:28:19LinusNthe old measurements were wrong (probably loose ground)
08:28:42LinusNit looks perfect now, i'll put up some result on my web page during the day
08:28:57*LinusN is heading to the lab to debug his flash algorithms
08:29:31dwihnoLinusN: neat stuff coming up?
08:29:32amiconn:) I guess it would be ok to commit the new recording routines then.
08:31:56LinusNamiconn: yes
08:32:03LinusNdwihno: no, work stuff
08:32:45dwihnoLinusN: well, work is occasionally neat as well :)
08:41:49midknite all
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08:43:24amiconnLinusN: Before I commit the new recording routines, should I take out the C variant along with the #define, or is it desirable to keep it?
08:45:02LinusNtake it out, it is still in the cvs history if we want it back
08:46:19amiconnOk. I think I will commit it this evening, after having a look at your new measurements.
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09:16:35Lynx0good morning!
09:18:17Lynx0As you might have guessed i have question...
09:18:55Lynx0I haven't looked at rockbox for a few months and just installed the latest build, and am wondering how the voice thing works...
09:19:13Lynx0I mean, how do i invoke it to read the filenames, directories and so on?
09:19:48LinusNLynx0: not to be rude or anything, but why not read the mailing list archives?
09:21:05LinusNi'll answer your question, though
09:21:09Lynx0to be honest, I always find that kind of difficult, especially if one doesn't know when the feature was implemented. there are just too many posts with "voice" or whatever in the topic
09:21:55LinusN1) download english.voice from and put it in .rockbox/langs/
09:22:10Lynx0did that...:-)
09:22:57LinusN2) for each directory you want spelled, put a file called .dirname.tbx in it
09:23:26LinusNthe .dirname.tbx file is a simple .mp3 file renamed to .dirname.tbx
09:23:59LinusNthis file is played when you enter or hover (depending on your voice settings) the directory
09:24:23Lynx0i set the directory spelling to yes, i guess i don't need the tbx file then?
09:24:30LinusNthere are ways of generating the .dirname.tbx files with a script and a text-to-speech engine
09:24:42Lynx0what does hover mean?
09:24:49LinusNif you want to spell it, you don't need the .tbx files
09:25:19LinusNhover == letting the cursor stay on the directory name in the browser
09:28:28Lynx0Hmm, I forgot to copy the .voice file again after updating, that explains it...
09:29:51Lynx0and now that i found that, usb mode stops working...
09:31:46Lynx0the box goes into usb mode, but windows does not do anything. I doubt it's a rockbox problem, though. worked yesterday...
09:35:08LinusNwindows doesn't recognize it at all?
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09:35:26LinusNhave your other drive letters changed since yesterday?
09:38:19Lynx0no, they haven't
09:38:40Lynx0but if the box goes into usb mode, it can't be the cable, right?
09:40:26LinusNguess not
09:40:52Lynx0hmm, only one of my 3 usb ports works, if i exchange the mouse for the archos, it works.
09:41:31Lynx0toshiba laptops aren't what they used to be, i guess
09:44:27Lynx0Ok, after clicking around in the system settings in windows, it works again. so windows is not what is never was, then.
09:48:02Lynx0is there any other setting i have to change except in the 'voice' menu in the general settings?
09:59:53LinusNnot that i know oif
10:03:27Lynx0because it's still not working...
10:04:39LinusNwhat is not working? the talking menus?
10:12:04LinusNlatest daily build?
10:12:28LinusNand the voice file is really .rockbox/langs/english.voice?
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10:29:17mattzzhi ho
10:34:10mattzzLinusN: it takes a long time for the checkbox patches to make it into CVS ;-)
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10:45:49LinusNmattzz: :-)
10:46:44[IDC]Dragonwhat's that patch doing? Checkboxes right in the menu tree?
10:47:01LinusNjust implements a checkbox widget
10:47:20mattzz[IDC]Dragon: it simply puts a checkbox in all boolean setting dialogs
10:47:24LinusNthe next patch uses it for bool settings
10:47:46[IDC]Dragonis it left or right aligned?
10:47:55mattzzI'd like to do somethings about the look of the settings dialogs with more than one option as well
10:48:18LinusNultimately, i want the settings to be on one screen
10:48:37[IDC]Dragonso it needs empty space there, moving the other settings, or moves only the bool settings?
10:49:02mattzz[IDC]Dragon: correct, strings are shifted by 2 places
10:49:13[IDC]DragonI was once thinking about similar, having the value right-aligned
10:49:32mattzz[IDC]Dragon: the checkbox widget can be placed anywhere
10:50:02[IDC]Dragonusing an extra line if it doesn't fit, the same if it fits
10:50:12mattzzthe integration in the settings.c was a first shot
10:50:29*[IDC]Dragon is afj
10:51:31mattzzLinusN: So some ideas for setting dialogs are: Navigation, highlighting (grayscales?)
10:53:24Lynx0LinusN: language was set to german, now it works :-)
10:53:58LinusNLynx0: :-)
10:54:14LinusNmattzz: navigation? highlighting?
10:54:36Lynx0now i need someone who knows windows nt ;-)
10:55:48dwihnoWindows NT and USB doesn't mix.
10:55:57dwihnoUnless you use some fishy third-party USB stack
10:57:26mattzzLinusN: I was thinking about a settings dialog with different widgets: checkboxes, radiobuttons, drop down lists. To select the item we'll have to navigate to it. There for we would need some way of highlighting the chosen widget.
10:57:47mattzzLinusN: currently we have one screen for each setting.
10:58:24dwihnomattzz: drop down lists, inverting the current selection
10:58:40dwihnomattzz: I fiddled around with that during christmas, and never caught up with it again...
11:01:06mattzzdwihno: I see the problem with drop down lists that we would have to do much graphical stuff, i.e. restoring of content rectangles and stuff like that... :-/
11:02:11mattzzdwihno: And than there is the thingy with different font sizes....
11:03:37LinusNand Players
11:04:07dwihnoplayers must keep the ugly layout
11:04:49mattzzwill be a lot of ifdef stuff as long as we want to maintain both models in one file
11:04:58amiconn|workmattzz: Imho it would be nice to use checkboxes for boolean settings (several settings on one screen possible). For multiple choice settings I would suggest a list of values with radiobuttons (one setting per screen).
11:05:24mattzzamiconn|work: as used in the original archos firmware?
11:05:40dwihnoI've been thinking about refactoring my sound settings menu and make it up-to-date as well
11:05:59LinusNi'd like a single menu, where i could move the cursor with up/down and cycle the options with left/right
11:06:15amiconn|workHmm, I can't remember if the original fw uses it, but it happens that my cellphone works that way, imho this is quite inituitive.
11:08:04dwihnosound settings should be topmost and not bookmarking! *rant rant rant*
11:08:43amiconn|workLinusN: This will be quite difficult to fit on one line for multiple-choice settings, esp. with larger fonts. It should be possible for boolean and numeric settings though
11:09:19LinusNmulti-choice could be two-liners
11:09:37amiconn|workdwihno: As I don't use either of them often, it really doesn't matter for me
11:09:39LinusNand gauges as well
11:10:12dwihnoamiconn|work: I use different sound setups (my home stereo equipment and two completely different headphones)
11:11:44amiconn|workdwihno: I do also use different sound setups (Headphone, car stereo with cassette adapter, and home stereo). I've made .cfg files for that to change this with one selection.
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11:12:08dwihnoamiconn|work: I should as well... but I'm lazy; I guess
11:12:29*[IDC]Dragon is back
11:13:29amiconn|workLinusN: Using two lines may be possible, but this way (as well as with the current layout) you cannot see all possible choices for multiple-choice settings, which would be more intuitive imho.
11:13:40[IDC]DragonI thought about two lines per entry (if it doesnt fit in one), one for the cation, left-aligned, one for the value, right aligned
11:14:15[IDC]Dragonjust to get the overview. when changing an entry, you can still have a screen.
11:14:54dwihnoHm. I've forgotten how my test stuff looked.
11:15:14mattzzwe could also use small up/down triangles like a spin button widget to show that there are more options in the list
11:15:48[IDC]DragonHow's all that on a player?
11:16:04mattzzThe player should be treated completely different
11:16:27[IDC]DragonOr would is be feasible to have the menu in a data structure, and different code to walk that?
11:16:28mattzzwhen it come to UI I guess the player needs a different concept
11:17:19mattzzwhat we did so far is that we had the same settings UI for player and recorder
11:17:37dwihnoWe should take advantage of the LCD.
11:17:45amiconn|workImo simple widgets like checkbox and radio button are possible on the player too, since there are at least 4 user-definable characters.
11:17:59dwihnoIcons, for instance
11:18:51LinusNno point in having radio buttons on the player since there are only two lines on the lcd
11:19:07LinusNone line for the setting name and one line for the choice
11:19:11mattzzbut a checkbox would be feasable
11:19:41LinusNstill, i find a simple "yes" or "no" equally good
11:20:10[IDC]DragonWith an eye on porting Rockbox, the internal menu should be independent from the UI look+feel
11:20:28LinusNa checkbox steals one or even two valuable char cells, leaving only 9 chars left for the setting name
11:20:33dwihnoThat's also true.
11:20:54[IDC]Dragonso you have the same internal structure, but a platform-dependent code to present it.
11:21:51mattzz I like the UI for the player. wasting valuable chars is an issue.
11:22:37[IDC]DragonThis is why I'm voting for a data structurerepresenting the menu.
11:23:08LinusNi can imagine an object-oriented approach to the settings
11:23:15LinusNeach setting being an object
11:23:17mattzz[IDC]Dragon: list of lists?
11:23:29[IDC]Dragonsomething like that
11:23:35LinusNlist of lists of objects
11:24:13Lynx0bye, thx Linus
11:24:17mattzzok, so we agree on a major rewrite of settings*.*
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11:24:26LinusNmattzz: yup
11:24:37[IDC]Dragonand we agree on mattzz doing it ;-)
11:25:04*mattzz switched off his monitor
11:25:08*LinusN walks to the lab
11:25:25mattzz[IDC]Dragon: I did a first step ;-)
11:25:30*[IDC]Dragon focuses on work
11:25:36dwihnohow do you disable the help boxes on the bottom? :)
11:25:46mattzz[IDC]Dragon: but it hasn't even made it into cvs ;-)
11:26:28amiconn|workProbably the most "shining" solution (at the one with most effort):
11:26:28amiconn|workFor each settings (sub-)menu there is one line (possibly two) per setting
11:26:28amiconn|work- The setting name is left aligned
11:26:28DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn|work
11:26:28amiconn|work- For boolean values, there is a right aligned checkbox
11:26:29amiconn|work- For both numeric values and multiple-choice, the value is shown right aligned too
11:26:29***Alert Mode level 1
11:26:29amiconn|work- You can navigate with up / down through the different settings
11:26:31amiconn|work- left/right changes the current value
11:26:33amiconn|workAll of the above are possible with both player and recorder
11:26:35amiconn|work- Additional feature (recorder only): if you press "play" over a multiple-choice setting,
11:26:37amiconn|workit would some king of a window showing all possible choices with radio buttons.
11:26:53[IDC]Dragonamiconn|work: typing very fast?
11:27:19amiconn|workThis was prepared in notepad first, then pasted
11:27:53[IDC]Dragonyou can get disconnected for flooding
11:28:11mattzzflooding with good ideas should not lead to a kick
11:28:21mattzzstupid bots
11:28:49[IDC]Dragonremember the player has only 11 chars or so in a line
11:28:57amiconn|workGrr, *it would open some kind of a window...
11:29:15[IDC]DragonGenerally, I agree
11:29:42amiconn|work[IDC]Dragon: That's why I wrote "one line (possibly two) per setting"
11:30:14[IDC]Dragonlet's leave that to the "presentation engine"
11:30:43[IDC]Dragonthe first step would be to come up with an internal representation
11:31:15[IDC]Dragonthe you can maybe even exchange the GUI (at compile time) to personal taste.
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11:31:44*mattzz thinks about an xml parser....
11:32:01[IDC]Dragonbury that thought deeeeep
11:32:10mattzz[x] done
11:32:54mattzzcurrently we have one huge, flat struct, right?
11:33:19[IDC]Dragonwe have a bunch of functions
11:33:50mattzzI mean for the storage of settings and their kind of parameters
11:36:31***Alert Mode OFF
11:55:54amiconn|work[IDC]Dragon: I did some research if it is possible to extend my voice generation script to work with sapi 4. Unfortunately I did not find a way to redirect sapi 4 output to a file.
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12:09:28Strath rewrote my aos java code in C:
12:10:09Strathshould be useful for reverse engineering Gmini firmware files
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13:03:13*[IDC]Dragon is back from lunch
13:03:22[IDC]Dragonamiconn|work: still there?
13:03:47[IDC]DragonSAPI4 can "speak" into a file, I'm working on that.
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13:37:56amiconn|work[IDC]Dragon: I would like to know how "speaking" to a file works with sapi 4 so I can integrate that into my script. I think it's easier to maintain than a compiled program, e.g. if someone wants to integrate a replacement list for a new language etc.
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13:43:33HellAriochhi m8z...
13:43:57c0uttal o
13:45:32HellAriochCould someone orient me to a place that discuss about PHILIPS HDD100 MP3 PLAYER SOFTWARE ?? (i hope u're not all archos integrists here !!! ehehe)
13:45:53uskiHellArioch: Google
13:46:37HellAriochi don't find anything in google but a replacement that allow the file copy from the comp to the player...
13:46:45HellAriochnothing like rockbox
13:47:05uskiperhaps there is not anything like rockbox then
13:47:30HellAriochsure... but i wanted to be sure... ehe
13:48:15HellAriochthanks uski and maybe cYA again...
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13:55:34[IDC]Dragonamiconn|work: I'm not very responsive while working.
13:55:55[IDC]DragonSAPI4 is COM as well
13:56:08[IDC]DragonThe SDK documents the interfaces
13:56:37[IDC]Dragonthere is a sample (Windows) application that talks into a file.
13:57:39[IDC]DragonI don't know if a script can also do such, they implemented an interface which they hand over to the TTS engine, for some kind of callback.
13:58:40[IDC]DragonBut the interface implementation is practically empty, it's just to know when the TTS is done.
14:13:03amiconn|workThe problem is that I don't find the sapi 4 sdk documentation on msdn. Scripting sapi doesn't use COM directly, but uses ActiveX.
14:13:38[IDC]Dragonhave you downloaded the SDK?
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14:20:17davidsnotanyone got a solution for an i2c error?
14:20:26uskiwhat is the exact error ?
14:20:40davidsnotjust comes up with I 2 C error
14:21:00davidsnotdoesn't play anymore. was running 2.2, have been for a week now.
14:22:57davidsnotI'm not panicking yet, it's sweet firmware.
14:23:05davidsnotkind of dying to get inside it, too.
14:24:58amiconn|work[IDC]Dragon: I didn't download the sdk for sapi 4 since I don't find it at msdn. I did download the sdk for sapi 5.1 though.
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14:34:21LinusNdavidsnot: did you drop it or anything?
14:35:31LinusNit could be as simple as a loose ground pin
14:46:36davidsnotlast night, turned it off, then an hour later turned it on.
14:46:51davidsnotbeen treating it like a baby.
14:47:11davidsnotground pin on what?
14:57:04LinusNdavidsnot: there are several solder pads that connect the main PCB to the chassis ground, if one or more of them are loose, it may behave erratically
14:57:28LinusNbut i must say that i've never heard of i2c errors before
14:58:18amiconn|work[IDC]Dragon: Thanks for the link, just downloading now.
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14:58:57davidsnotthis last time I tried to boot, it came up <hard disk> and a timer under it. One other symptom is that when a track is paused, pushing play, the pause icon stays on, along with the play icon.
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15:02:33LinusNdavidsnot: Player?
15:02:44davidsnotjukebox studio 20
15:02:55LinusNhave you tried to replace the batteries?
15:03:21davidsnotthese are fresh 2200 nimh, but I have another set I can try
15:03:45LinusNalso check if it's any different with the charger attached
15:04:09davidsnotsure will give me a few minutes. you sticking around a while?
15:04:11LinusNit could very well be a battery/power problem
15:04:24LinusNsure, i'll be here
15:05:03ReaDOnlYMorning everyone
15:05:21LinusNReaDOnlY: morn
15:05:37ReaDOnlYAnyone happen to know a good place to get s tand for a av300 for the car?
15:05:46ReaDOnlYi want it to look nice in my car hehe
15:06:54LinusNi have no idea
15:07:11amiconn|workLinusN: Did you put up your new recording measurements meanwhile?
15:07:11davidsnotLinusN: fresh batteries and on the charger I2 C error after the boot.
15:07:52LinusNamiconn|work: had to prioritize work...
15:08:11LinusNdavidsnot: any difference if you squeeze the blue bumpers?
15:08:19amiconn|workIt's perfectly ok, I just wanted to know.
15:08:34davidsnottowards each other side to side or end to end?
15:08:52LinusNend to end
15:09:28LinusNwiggle it in different directions to see if there is a loose connection somewhere
15:11:31ReaDOnlY i found this but that looks custom made hehe
15:11:50ReaDOnlYAnd i can't read french =(
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15:12:20davidsnotsqueezing the bumpers gets me past the i2c, and it's playing now. what's that point me to?
15:12:34davidsnotLinusN, you seem to be good at this!
15:13:46davidsnotwhere's the loose connection?
15:14:26LinusNare you handy with a soldering iron?
15:14:53davidsnotpcb designer, familiar with surface mount, full set of tools :) handy job for me.
15:15:09*uski thinks that Archos should pay LinusN to be a repair-guy ;)
15:15:24LinusNhehe, i could work at newmp3tech :-)
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15:17:14davidsnotappreciate the help LinusN!
15:17:24davidsnotAnd nice job on the software, too.
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15:18:08uskiwhat do they do at newmp3tech ?
15:21:56LinusNarchos repairs, among other things
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15:39:37LinusNtime to go home
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15:50:44uskiis it me or there is not any bleeding edge anymore ?
15:50:56uskithe status has not been upgraded for 2 days
15:54:24amiconn|workuski: The bleeding edge only gets updated if something changes in cvs
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16:11:25JukeHi all.... I got my jukebox Recorder 20 yesterday and before I had a change to put RockBox in... It simply won't even start today. Did I buy a piece of garbage or was I simply unlucky?? Thanks
16:11:46BlueChipAA betteries?
16:12:01Jukedunno.. its internal
16:12:05BlueChipthen no
16:12:15JukeI charged it...
16:12:23Jukeno, not the fm version
16:12:31BlueChipok, so you have a "ver 2"
16:12:42BlueChipsecond hand?
16:12:45moccinodo you know an firmware for av140 with games,...????
16:13:08BlueChipmoccino: check avos.sourceforge ;)
16:13:35BlueChipJuke: it worked yesterday?
16:13:44Jukeyes.. everything worked fine
16:14:12BlueChiphave you dropped it or given it any shock? (techie Q, not sales Q)
16:14:29Jukenot at all.... it was in my table all day
16:14:51Jukei cant even charge the thing..... the charging screen doesnt even come up
16:14:54moccinoi have already shearch bluechip, but i haven't see an firmware with game for av140, can you help me bluechip??
16:15:15BlueChipmoccino: sadly I think you need to wait longer for new firmware :(
16:15:25BlueChipask on #avos :)
16:15:59moccinothere are french people???
16:16:11JukeFor what I've been reading online... I'm wasting my time by trying to contact tech support.
16:17:30BlueChipJuke: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think you have just struck unlucky and need a replacement - there are known issues with the battery connector - if it were 2nd hand I would say pop the back of and check that the battery in firmly in place - as it is new - I can only suggest you get a replacemnt from amazon - good news is they are good are replacing kit :)
16:17:57BlueChipyeah, screw archos tech support :(
16:18:48JukeThat is what i suspected.... Thanks a lot though. Should I stick with another version 2 or do you have any better suggestions?
16:18:50BlueChipmoccino: to my knowledge there are no FR hackers for avos
16:19:15BlueChipIf you can get a ver 1 - do it not bother with the FM, the radio is pants
16:19:40JukeWhat is the difference with ver 2?
16:19:50Jukeshouldn't it be better :)
16:20:31BlueChipNo, they had to remove the digital out for (c) reasons
16:20:39BlueChipAA batteries are easily replaceable
16:21:18BlueChipsure there was a third thing, but it eludes me right now
16:21:50Jukeohhh I see.... AA batteries. Cool. Thanks a lot for everything
16:21:51BlueChipof course the v1 is slightly bigger and heavier because of the batteries
16:22:02BlueChipwelcome dude :)
16:22:25JukeHave a good day!, bye
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17:58:03z_man_barzelanyone around to answer a newbie interface question??
17:58:40z_man_barzelhere goes, I have my mp3s in folders like this
17:59:23z_man_barzeli can go next to an album folder and hit on+play and it'll set up a playlist and randomly play the album
17:59:38z_man_barzelbut if i do this next to an Artist folder, it does nothing
17:59:40z_man_barzelany ideas?
18:00:10mattzzdid you check the recursive option? (I am no expert when it comes to playlists though)
18:00:23z_man_barzelwhere/what's that?
18:02:09mattzzsettings-> playlist options recursively insert directories
18:02:20mattzz(using a bleeding edge build)
18:02:59z_man_barzelme feel big dumb
18:03:22z_man_barzelstrange that that wouldn't be default
18:03:29z_man_barzelthanks a bunch
18:03:36mattzzno prob ;-)
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18:12:50[IDC]Dragonmattzz: you there?
18:17:09[IDC]Dragonthere was just a Delta question popping up, but now M. Oettelt is gone
18:17:21mattzzargh - I'm gone....
18:17:32[IDC]Dragonnever mind
18:17:34mattzzjust kidding
18:25:16mattzz[IDC]Dragon: sent you an email
18:26:04mattzzgotta leave - c u
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19:58:49louie-dogyesterday i got my first archos box, it's a recorder v2. i only used the archos firmware for about 3 minutes before i put on the latest rockbox daily which works fine for me. right now i'm trying to flash the player following the instructions from the manual but when i copy the files from it's loading the original archos firmware and not rockbox, any idea what i could be doing wrong?
20:02:51amiconnIf you have a v2, you will need
20:03:27louie-dogah ok, the manual only lists _rec and _fm
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20:23:36VentzislavI have a major proble
20:23:56VentzislavI just uploaded RockBox
20:24:29Ventzislavbut as soon as I start it, I get a Dir buffer if full message
20:24:44Ventzislavthen I get an empty screen with a cursor
20:24:47Ventzislavany help?
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20:25:57amiconnVentzislav: See , Question 76
20:26:33VentzislavI had 5 files when I first installed it
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20:27:12Ventzislavhow do i change the settings?
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21:39:42beerlihello. got a harddiskproblem on my fm recorder. vfat.fsck says bootsector doesn't equal it's backup. but the mashine actually boots.
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21:40:00beerlido you know if it's safe to copy the bootsector to his backup?
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21:53:41[IDC]DragonHi Jens
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21:54:14amiconnI think I am completely braindead. I've just deleted my MakeVoices script by accident :((
21:54:47[IDC]Dragonoh, no backup nowhere?
21:55:09[IDC]Dragonany chance for undelete?
21:55:28amiconnDo you know an undelete to suited for NTFS?
21:55:56[IDC]Dragon1. don't do anything to the drive!
21:56:16[IDC]DragonIf it's your system disk, this may be a problem
21:56:52[IDC]Dragonthe newly installed undelete tool may just reside in the precious sectors
21:57:18[IDC]DragonI made good experience with EasyRecovery
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22:00:33[IDC]DragonHey, put that gun down!
22:00:52[IDC]DragonGet away from the window!
22:03:42amiconnFinalRecovery does find numerous files, but not the ones I want back. :(( My modified WavTrim is gone as well.
22:04:37[IDC]DragonAre you able to leave that partition unmodified?
22:05:16amiconnNot completely, since it is the sys partition. Of course I downloaded the tool with my other computer, and installed it to a different partition.
22:06:19amiconnI think it's gone, because FinalRecovery finds many of the files I wanted to delete, but unfortunately not my sources.
22:07:09[IDC]Dragonthis is supposed to work from DOS
22:07:16[IDC]Dragon(haven't tried it)
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22:08:22amiconnCan't use that since my laptop does not have a floppy drive.
22:09:52amiconnI think I will have to rewrite everything. At least I know how to do things now. I figured out how to use sapi 4 from vbscript just before. It's a bit slow, since it works in realtime, but possible.
22:10:45[IDC]Dragonyou can accelerate the speech
22:11:10[IDC]DragonI would try some more undelete tools first
22:12:06amiconnI tried to accelerate the speech, but it doesn't work as documented.
22:12:31[IDC]DragonTextAloud can do it
22:13:51[IDC]DragonI can ask at work for an undelete recommendation
22:13:52amiconnYes, but then TextAloud probably uses COM directly. With VBScript it is only possible to use ActiveX.
22:16:04[IDC]Dragonanother one:
22:16:22[IDC]Dragoncan undelete up to 64k file size in demo mode
22:16:50[IDC]Dragonshould be enough for a script
22:19:31amiconnAlready tried Restorer2000 as well, this finds the same files as FinalRecovery, but unfortunately not my script
22:20:41[IDC]Dragonhave you tried EasyRecovery Pro?
22:20:56[IDC]Dragonthat's what save me once
22:21:31[IDC]DragonIIRC, it has some intense search mode, but takes a while
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22:24:41amiconnR-Undelete doesn't help too. From what I can find about EasyRecovery Pro, it is commercial and the demo cannot restore anything, only scan.
22:25:17[IDC]Dragonyou can at least try if it finds it
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22:52:00[IDC]DragonBagder: the new genlang script has a remaining problem: I can't phase out voice IDs.
22:52:25Bagderthat's not very nice
22:53:05[IDC]Dragonand I don't have a good suggestion/idea on how to resolve
22:53:51[IDC]Dragonvoice entries are those which have only a voice sting, no language string.
22:54:49[IDC]DragonIf I empty that voice string, by convention I have an empty language ID instead, shifting all the IDs.
22:55:49BagderI get it
22:55:59Bagderwe might need to add some magic string or something
22:56:57[IDC]Dragonor again look at the ID, whether it starts with LANG_ or VOICE_
22:58:50Bagderthat's a pretty good choice
23:01:03[IDC]DragonI'm not overly excited about it
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23:06:12Bagderhi LinusN
23:10:27BagderLinusN: did you have any problems with that pcmcia g-card I borrowed from you?
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23:12:39LinusNyes :-)
23:12:53LinusNwhat problems do you have?
23:13:45Bagderthe linux log says "harware error, resetting" ... and then "failed to reset... blabla"
23:13:49LinusNbtw, i think using the LANG_ and VOICE_ prefixes is the easiest way of separating the voice-only entries
23:14:10Bagderbut it works from time to time
23:14:11LinusNBagder: hmmm, i never tried using linux with that card
23:15:15LinusNbut i had spontaneous hickups with windows, but i'm pretty sure those were because my pccard slot is shaky on my laptop
23:15:36LinusNmaybe the card is broken....
23:15:59BagderI'll experiment further and see what I'll find out
23:16:37LinusNwhich chipset is it?
23:18:34CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 28 minutes at the last flood
23:18:34*LinusN goes to see the second quarter of Portugal-Sweden
23:18:57LinusNquarter, hah, half i mean
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23:26:47GuestDoes anyone know of a site to download rvf files to test the player?
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23:28:43rossizzyIs there a site to download a rvf file, with sound, to test the video player?
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23:31:46[IDC]DragonBagder: btw, you can delete the plugins from there
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