#rockbox 2004-05-01

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#rockbox log for 2004-05-01

00:15:37		Join midk [0] (mk@AC8FA3AA.ipt.aol.com)
00:15:58	midk	yo
00:18:56		Quit mecraw_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)")
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00:59:35		Join RockStudio [0] (Digitman@pD9512972.dip.t-dialin.net)
00:59:56	RockStudio	Hallo
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01:00:30	RockStudio	jemand hier, der deutsch Sprechen kann?
01:03:00	RockStudio	could anybody give me some information about the sound problems with a Archos Studio
01:03:32	scott666	have you tried searching on the rockbox website? thats probably your best bet
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01:06:18	RockStudio	ok thanks scott, I only need a Service Manual
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01:10:46	lImbus	any1 else having mad problems with cvs (pserv) these days ?
01:12:37	lImbus	gettin timeouts constantly. cant co or update anything anymore.
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01:16:57	scott666	ive heard complaints about CVS increase almost linearly over the last few months
01:18:19	lImbus	well, sf-cvs is not the stables I've ever seen, but there's never been an outage for more than a few hours. on my projects at least.
01:18:25	lImbus	can you pserv it ?
01:23:43	midk\|brb	tops
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02:43:41	midk	yo bip
02:43:43	midk	bio*
02:43:56	BioHazard	well, havent been here in a fey days
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02:48:05	diddystar5	lol i just ran curl, and it started beeping, and everyone in the library started looking at me
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02:50:12	BioHazard	i just got my new-old laptop a few days ago so ive been sidetracked from my plugin development
02:50:19	midk	yay
02:50:39	BioHazard	anyone still interested in the pre-release copy?
02:50:44	midk	me'
02:50:49	midk	ill tes tit
02:50:50	top_bloke	of what?
02:51:10	BioHazard	"Guess the Number!"
02:51:17	midk	linky
02:51:19	top_bloke	wow
02:51:25	top_bloke	how high do they go?
02:51:33	BioHazard	as high as you want
02:51:38	top_bloke	mhhm
02:51:43	top_bloke	10000000?
02:51:44	BioHazard	its customizeable
02:51:47	BioHazard	to 1000
02:51:49	midk	no
02:51:52	top_bloke	lol
02:51:54	top_bloke	jk
02:51:55	midk	haha
02:51:57	midk	also
02:52:02	midk	maybe turns should be customizeable
02:52:07	midk	how high and how many turns you should get
02:52:08	BioHazard	they are
02:52:11	midk	ok great
02:52:13	midk	sendy
02:52:27	BioHazard	um... maybe i should upload it first...
02:52:33	midk	good idea
02:53:24	top_bloke	is anyone making a poker game?
02:53:35	top_bloke	or blackjack
02:53:43	midk	sort of tops
02:53:50	midk	theres a cards framework in progress
02:53:54	top_bloke	o
02:57:59	diddystar5	i have the card code
02:58:09	diddystar5	i worked on some of it
02:58:15	diddystar5	but im not giving it out
02:59:25	top_bloke	why not
02:59:38	top_bloke	its open source right
02:59:45	top_bloke	i demand to see the source!
02:59:47	top_bloke	j/k
02:59:52	diddystar5	yes, but BC dosen't want it out
02:59:58	top_bloke	ok
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03:01:43	diddystar5	ther is a demo blackjack game in the patches BC put out
03:01:47	diddystar5	its rock only
03:03:46	top_bloke	i see
03:04:19	diddystar5	i have yet to try that
03:05:46	top_bloke	well do it!
03:06:39	diddystar5	i have no archos
03:06:56	diddystar5	and the simulated code dosnet work because of timing
03:07:24	top_bloke	ah
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03:17:15	vraa	I think I'm going to cry!
03:17:21	diddystar5	?
03:17:23	midk	*cries with vraa
03:17:40	vraa	Rockbox 2.2 is out and I wanted to test out the talking feature but my Jukebox doesn't seem to work anymore!
03:17:48	vraa	thanks midk! This is a sad moment
03:17:51	midk	get a daily build
03:17:58	midk	mm what's wrong exactly
03:17:59	vraa	Well I can't even get into my Archos
03:18:09	diddystar5	is it flashed?
03:18:11	vraa	Let me c/p the exact e-mail I sent to tech support @ archos
03:18:12	vraa	no
03:18:26	vraa	When I woke up this morning I decided to listen to my mp3 player as many humans like to do. When I turned it on it went straight into the USB mode even though my computer wasn't even in the room! I turned it off by holding the STOP button and yet it restarted automatically and went back into the USB mode. I tried it about three times to turn it off but nothing worked. I decided maybe if I ran the battery down all the way and did a full recharge it w
03:18:34	vraa	wow, that's a lot! I just reazlied that
03:18:55	diddystar5	its ok
03:19:08	midk	wow that was fast
03:19:10	diddystar5	so no matter what you do, you archos stays on?
03:19:20	vraa	Well right now it's off and I can't even get it on
03:19:24	midk	well
03:19:30	midk	did you check the usb port
03:19:33	vraa	but yes, before it was ALWAYS on because it just looped whenever I turned it off
03:19:34	midk	maybe a piece of metal wedged in
03:19:40	midk	making it think usb is plugged
03:19:42	vraa	Yes, nothing is there, I thought of that
03:19:49	diddystar5	wither bad solder, bad button, or maybe the button is stuck
03:20:15	vraa	Well would that make it jump to USB mode right then and there?
03:20:25	midk	possibly
03:20:35	midk	maybe a loose usb connection
03:20:38	vraa	Now it just doesn't want to start up
03:20:43	midk	try plugging and unplugging usb again
03:20:45	midk	hmm
03:20:46	vraa	ok
03:20:47	midk	dead batts?
03:20:57	vraa	USB plugged in and nothing is happening
03:20:57	diddystar5	bad solder, it detects usb by looking for electricity coming of USB
03:21:08	vraa	I have it in charge right now, even when I unplug the charger still no activity
03:21:19	vraa	USB is plugged in and also, no activity
03:21:24	midk	none at all? no LEDs?
03:21:33	vraa	exactly
03:21:42	midk	hmmn
03:22:29	diddystar5	are you ok with just opening up the front cover peice on your JB?
03:22:36	diddystar5	just 4 screws to get off
03:22:40	vraa	Will that kill my warrenty?
03:22:44	diddystar5	no
03:22:47	vraa	I'll do it as long as it won't kill my warrenty
03:22:52	vraa	I've taken apart my Jukebox 5000
03:23:03	vraa	This is a Jukebox FM Recorder
03:23:18	midk	i'd replace it if you can...
03:23:25	diddystar5	i dont know much about the hardwareon the FM
03:23:29	vraa	Looking on the sides of the Jukebox, I'm not sure if I have those torx wrenches
03:23:38	diddystar5	no, not the torx
03:23:40	vraa	replace the Archos? RMA it from Archos? I've had it for a while
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03:24:00	diddystar5	i would rma if you can
03:24:08	diddystar5	it would be a pain i the ass....
03:24:16	vraa	I've sent an e-mail to Archos and I await their reply.
03:24:27	wake	vraa: when did the prob start? my fm rec died when batts ran out, and is on the wat back to archos now . . .
03:24:36	vraa	it happened today
03:24:38	wake	s/wat/way
03:25:45	vraa	I'm not sure even why... I just wanted to listen to some music before I got on the bus and it went into the USB mode so I was thinking maybe something is stuck in the USB port, nothing there, so I held down the stop button to turn off the unit
03:25:53	wake	k. just looked up at the email you posted. i was wondering if it happened to you the same way my prob started
03:25:57	vraa	the thing just rebooted and went straight back into usb mood
03:26:00	wake	weird
03:26:02	vraa	how did yours happen?
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03:26:46	wake	batt ran really low, and when i plugged in to recharge, nothing happened except the power light blinked on/off once
03:27:38	vraa	So that means the batteries are dead and I'll have to RMA it?
03:27:57	wake	i'm not sure - your prob sound different from mine
03:28:11	vraa	Mine was very low when I plugged it into charge overnight
03:28:16	midk	newmp3technology.net has some replacement batts
03:29:01	midk	if it's that
03:29:04	vraa	lol I copied the entire line including the "has some replacement batts" and I was thinking, how come it's not working?
03:29:46	mdm180	Hello all - I am new to the scene - My bro just gave me his Studio 20 when he got his ipod. I am very impressed with Rockbox
03:29:50	vraa	34$, not bad, I'll ask my dad
03:30:01	midk	LOL
03:30:04	DBUG	Enqueued KICK vraa
03:30:04	vraa	11�12mdm18011� Oh yeah, I love the Rockbox!
03:30:40	midk	?
03:30:48	mdm180	I have a question though - sorry if this is in the docs (couldn't find it) but is it possible to play songs in a directory in track order? Basically, to play an album in correct track order.
03:31:14	vraa	if you make a playlist they will do that fine
03:31:35	vraa	that's how I do it whenever I copy my music to my archos, I make a playlist and I play the playlist rather then the mp3's themselves
03:31:43	vraa	then I can set however order to play the music
03:32:30	vraa	I'm going to go start pestering my dad, thanks all for the help!
03:32:40	vraa	I really appreciate it!
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03:32:59	*	vraa 12is AFK, 11time to get some money heh
03:33:02	mdm180	Thanks. I use playlist often too but I was hoping it was a built-in. It seems to only do it in alpha order when you add a directory.
03:33:21	midk	um
03:33:22	midk	playlists
03:33:24	midk	on+play
03:33:26	midk	playlist
03:33:28	midk	insert
03:33:51	midk	when inserted each track, Menu -> playlist options -> save playlist
03:41:39	diddystar5	ipod... stinks
03:44:29	diddystar5	use your imageination for this one ;)
03:44:30	diddystar5	#include <stdlib.h>
03:44:30	diddystar5	for(int i=0;i<1000;i++) {
03:44:30	DBUG	Enqueued KICK diddystar5
03:44:30	diddystar5	printf("ipod stinks");
03:44:30	diddystar5	}
03:45:00	diddystar5	i missed a bit of code
03:45:48	diddystar5	#include <stdlib.h>
03:45:48	diddystar5	int main() {
03:45:48	diddystar5	for(int i=0;i<1000;i++) {
03:45:48	***	Alert Mode level 1
03:45:48	diddystar5	printf("ipod stinks");
03:45:48	***	Alert Mode level 2
03:45:48	diddystar5	}
03:45:48	***	Alert Mode level 3
03:45:48	diddystar5	return 0;
03:45:52	diddystar5	}
03:45:54	diddystar5	:)
03:47:32	diddystar5	anyone want to play a bit of trivia?
03:47:43	diddystar5	join #!nix and we will play :)
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03:57:31	BioHazard	im back now... i got called to switch around a bunch of monitors and forgot to bbl...
03:57:42	BioHazard	ill upload that thing now...
03:59:54	BioHazard	http://zdbiohazard.web1000.com/numbers.zip
04:00
04:00:05	BioHazard	only up for an hour or so
04:00:07	midk	ow my arm
04:00:16	midk	take it down in 5m
04:00:19	midk	take it down now.
04:00:44	diddystar5	???
04:01:20	BioHazard	why now?
04:01:30	BioHazard	how will anybody test it then?
04:01:49	midk	i will
04:02:49	BioHazard	this is the release candidate, i want more than just you to say if its worthy for the patch tracker
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04:02:59	midk	one apparent problem
04:03:09	midk	did you use my accel tip?
04:03:16	BioHazard	i couldnt
04:03:18	midk	apparently not
04:03:19	midk	why not?
04:03:20	BioHazard	i tried
04:03:35	midk	no work?
04:03:39	BioHazard	but it would still step by 3 even when not held down
04:03:50	midk	what was the code you used
04:03:53	BioHazard	even if i made held and pressed seperate cases
04:04:01	midk	well
04:04:09	midk	can you pm me the code
04:04:13	midk	or something
04:04:17	midk	i can tell you how to make it work
04:04:29	diddystar5	BioHazard, lets play trivia in #!nix
04:04:44	BioHazard	i know very little about 'nix
04:04:55	midk	... lol
04:05:08	diddystar5	ther is a trivia bot its fun
04:05:17	diddystar5	i have a few vegan freinds playing right now :)
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04:22:45	BioHazard	k, file taken down
04:22:49	midk	yay
04:23:23	BioHazard	anyone try it?
04:23:28	midk	i did
04:23:33	midk	except for accel it was great
04:23:55	BioHazard	do you still want the accel code?
04:24:02	midk	if you have it yes
04:24:04	midk	i can fix it
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04:47:37	diddystar5	bye everyone
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05:20:10	midk	yo coutta
05:20:16	midk	c0utta rather
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05:32:24	c0utta	yo midk
05:32:31	midk	:)
05:43:05	kaboofa	BUAHAH
05:43:06	kaboofa	If you are what you eat, I could be you by morning.
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05:43:15	midk	lol
05:43:17	midk	nite
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06:44:19	midk	bio?
06:44:22	midk	BioHazard
06:45:00	midk	are there any coders available?
06:50:00	midk	im not too dumb
06:50:03	midk	easy to work with
06:50:09	midk	if i dont get it i dont ask what you did
06:50:10	midk	cmon cmon
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08:18:49	Greenlight63	hey guys, can i take out my hard drive and sell it
08:19:20	Greenlight63	out of my archos jukebox recorder 20 gig
08:21:14	Greenlight63	anybody out there?
08:21:37	Greenlight63	i heard you can take out the hard drive on these mp3 players and sell them on ebay?
08:26:48	midk\|back_in_30	yes you can Greenlight63
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08:28:10	Greenlight63	how much do they go for?
08:28:23	midk	try searching for one
08:28:24	midk	hard to say
08:28:30	midk	maybe a hundred... maybe 150
08:30:11	Greenlight63	whats should i search for
08:30:29	Greenlight63	hard drives brinds up lots of stuff
08:30:31	midk	"20gb laptop hard drive"
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08:35:33	lImbus	FYI: :pserv:cvs co and update was working fine for me just now.
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08:53:26	eval-	hi. i am hoping to bring a jukebox recorder 20 to my friends who have been travelling in india for many months.
08:54:05	eval-	rockbox looks awesome, but they will probably not have a chance to download a daily build should they encounter a bug
08:54:05	midk	cool
08:54:18	midk	not very many bugs. :)
08:54:24	eval-	what is the best version/build that i should put on it?
08:54:28	midk	much less than the archos f/w
08:54:34	midk	the most recent daily build
08:54:37	eval-	really? oh well thats good
08:54:42	eval-	most recent is really best?
08:54:48	midk	yes
08:54:54	eval-	but no bug-testing ... ;)
08:55:03	eval-	also. how much is 'too much' to pay for this on ebay
08:55:14	midk	hmm
08:55:16	eval-	on half.com i see $150 for the recorder 20 (version 1, 4 AA batteries)
08:55:25	midk	that's not bad
08:55:31	eval-	on e-bay it can go for $105-$130 i think
08:55:36	midk	that's good!
08:55:49	eval-	... (if it works ;) )
08:55:53	eval-	also, india is 230V right?
08:56:06	eval-	but all these are being sold from USA so they are 110V
08:56:19	eval-	my friend with a recorder 15 said it was 600mA, 9V DC in
08:56:28	midk	correct
08:56:34	eval-	so if i can get an AC/DC converter with those specs in india i'll be ok?
08:56:43	eval-	and it'll charge the NiMH batteries in the unit?
08:57:03	midk	it should, yes
08:57:15	midk	i'm not positive −− i never deal with different voltages
08:57:21	midk	but if it has the same specs it should be ok
08:58:57	eval-	i hope the recorder 20 and 15 have same specs
08:59:14	midk	yes, they do
08:59:18	midk	for power input
08:59:24	eval-	except the recorder 20 can take usb 2.0 in
08:59:29	midk	right
08:59:42	eval-	also, about how long will alkalines vs. NiMH work with rockbox softs?
08:59:49	midk	you must use nimh
08:59:55	eval-	must?
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09:00:11	midk	but i'd recommend upgrading them... it ships with 1500mah batteries and now you can get 2250mah or 2300mah batteries
09:00:12	midk	yes, must
09:01:02	eval-	I see. And 2300mah batteries will charge just as well in the player?
09:01:19	eval-	Why is it a must? The player can tell if you use alkalines?
09:01:51	midk	no but alkalines give off more power
09:01:56	midk	and if they are plugged in they can explode
09:02:04	midk	and yes larger batteries charge just fine
09:02:37	eval-	explode! well that's a concern. i see.
09:02:45	midk	heh yeah
09:02:49	midk	plus nimh's last longer
09:03:10	eval-	ok, so if i buy 2300mah NiMH batteries for them, how long can they go for?
09:03:33	eval-	im wondering if they sometimes go for some time w/o power
09:03:41	midk	mm
09:03:43	midk	2300mah
09:03:50	midk	probably 12h min
09:04:00	midk	maybe 14
09:04:00	eval-	ooh that's pretty good
09:04:36	eval-	so 2 sets of 4 2300mah NiMH and this beats out the dell DJ, plus runs opensource
09:04:44	eval-	are these 2300mah batteries mad expensive?
09:04:56	midk	nah
09:05:16	midk	probably online you can get them for about $12-$15 a set... probably even less
09:05:56	eval-	http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=2574903
09:06:01	eval-	hehe, $8 a set.
09:06:25	midk	wow great
09:06:36	midk	*out of date
09:06:36	midk	:)
09:07:07	eval-	that's nothing. so if i can get this in the next few days on e-bay for less than $120 im going for it. otherwise i'll bite the bullet and pay $150 on half.com, buy two sets of NiMH, and work out a 600mA 9V charger when i get there
09:07:25	eval-	oooh so exciting. the poor kids
09:07:30	eval-	they've been travelling 9 months now
09:07:43	eval-	4 in thailand, 5 in india (they're living off $150 a month!)
09:07:50	midk	wow
09:07:58	eval-	and they thought, as they left 'oh we dont need our music, we'll soak up the local culture'
09:08:07	eval-	but i think if they hear another hindi song they'll go crazy
09:08:08	midk	lol!
09:08:12	midk	haha
09:08:23	eval-	i got a rather pathetic-sounding email asking me kindly if it wouldn't be too much trouble... hehe
09:08:30	midk	LOL
09:08:36	eval-	the archos look fairly sturdy, is that the case?
09:08:42	eval-	can they drop this on those silly rubber corners?
09:08:50	midk	mm lol
09:08:54	midk	*doesn't suggest dropping it
09:08:59	midk	i once did
09:09:04	midk	from about 4 feel
09:09:06	midk	feet*
09:09:12	midk	right on the corner
09:09:14	midk	it worked find
09:09:16	midk	gah
09:09:17	midk	fine*
09:09:21	midk	*staying up too late
09:09:27	eval-	yeah? well my rio can hang if I run all the way to the bus
09:09:31	midk	*typing errors linearly increasing
09:09:31	eval-	it can't be that bad can it
09:09:37	midk	no
09:09:43	midk	just don't be too careless :)
09:09:54	eval-	its just they have backpacks
09:10:00	eval-	that get thrown around buses and trains and stuff
09:10:10	eval-	maybe i'll suggest they keep it on them?
09:10:16	midk	good idea
09:10:23	eval-	im not even taking my rio travelling
09:10:29	eval-	if it can't make it to the bus stop
09:10:30	midk	which rio?
09:10:33	eval-	karma
09:10:36	midk	wow
09:10:38	eval-	90day warranty :-(
09:10:38	midk	are you serious?
09:10:46	eval-	i love the thing, otherwise
09:10:49	midk	well
09:10:52	midk	how far is the bus stop
09:10:53	eval-	loooong battery life, plays ogg
09:10:58	eval-	haha
09:11:06	eval-	well im not running more than 3-5 mins
09:11:14	midk	and it skips?
09:11:17	eval-	and it responds well to a reset
09:11:19	eval-	no it hangs
09:11:20	midk	what format / bitrate are you using?
09:11:27	midk	oh well yeah
09:11:41	eval-	i have to like, undo a staple from a document
09:11:45	eval-	untwist it into a point
09:11:50	eval-	and shove it into the reset hole
09:11:51	eval-	so annoying
09:12:03	eval-	i have everything, ogg, mp3, wma
09:12:12	eval-	i don't think it's files that are doing it
09:12:16	eval-	i think it's the disk
09:12:18	midk	it has a large buffer
09:12:25	midk	it shouldn't be a problem
09:12:26	eval-	oh
09:12:28	eval-	hmm
09:12:30	midk	are they very high bitrates
09:12:34	midk	ie 256k mp3?
09:12:41	eval-	some of them. not many most are 192
09:12:43	midk	192k wma?
09:12:50	midk	well it should last that long
09:12:55	midk	very weird.
09:13:23	eval-	it's certainly strange.
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09:13:31	eval-	i could firmware upgrade and see if it continues
09:13:37	eval-	it's only happened a few times, but it's all been recent
09:13:39	midk	oh yes
09:13:44	midk	get the latest
09:13:48	midk	1.68 i think
09:13:51	eval-	which is worrisome, when it takes on new 'features'
09:14:31	eval-	i just don't want this to happen with their archos
09:14:38	eval-	but it seems i have to buy it used
09:15:04	midk	if they'll be running a lot it won't last too long
09:15:14	midk	well with rockbox it may be handled
09:16:48	eval-	they won't be running
09:16:51	eval-	it'll get jostled
09:16:57	midk	it should be fine then
09:17:07	eval-	but, unlike my rio they probably won't have it on during the worst shocks
09:17:44	eval-	theres no one with new recorder 20s in stock?
09:18:05	eval-	without NiMH batteries it'd be a costly/impossible proposition for them to last weeks away from power
09:18:09	Strath	tools for working with gmini firmware: http://www.donat.org/michael/archos/files/index.html
09:18:11	eval-	i don't know any other players with this option
09:19:47	midk	what option? swapping out batteries?
09:20:05	midk	try funmp3players.com
09:24:08	eval-	yeah, the batteries thing. ok, will check it out
09:25:30	eval-	whoa. the HD can be upgraded
09:25:37	eval-	so a 6gb archos would do fine
09:25:56	midk	you also have to buy a larger hd
09:26:03	midk	so it's cheaper i think to get the larger one first
09:26:32	eval-	a 20gb HD is only $75
09:26:43	eval-	I guess if a 6b goes for $50 on ebay then its pretty close.
09:26:57	eval-	Not worth $0 to $25 to go through that hassle
09:27:11	midk	a 20gb laptop hard drive?
09:27:15	midk	it can't be desktop
09:28:07	eval-	http://us-depot.com/noname10.html
09:29:03	midk	wow good
09:29:10	midk	cheap replacements
09:29:40	eval-	good point
09:30:08	eval-	though, again, somewhere in kashmir it might be harder to do ;)
09:30:14	eval-	and you'd still lose your music :)
09:30:22	eval-	those new ones started at $270 =(
09:30:45	midk	lol
09:32:26	eval-	amazon pisses me off
09:33:02	midk	*curls up and dies
09:33:21	eval-	http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000T1R4O/qid=1083396770/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-9538450-1855849?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846
09:33:30	eval-	$130 after rebate for a new jukebox recorder 20gb
09:33:45	eval-	but its the v2, so internal Li-ion battery, right?
09:34:04	midk	yes
09:34:12	Strath	hey, could someone check to see if they can open and read the contents of the tar.gz files on http://www.donat.org/michael/archos/files/index.html
09:34:23	eval-	sigh
09:34:44	Strath	i'll be back in a couple minutes
09:35:10	midk	bye strathy
09:35:12	midk	if i dont see you
09:35:15	midk	thanks for everything
09:35:49	eval-	i should sleep too
09:35:57	eval-	thanks for all your help midk
09:36:19	eval-	i'll bid confidently now, and get 2300mah batteries :)
09:36:38	eval-	and rockbox, of course :)
09:37:21	midk	nite eval
09:37:24	midk	nice talking to you
09:37:27	midk	good luck
09:37:36	midk	*MUST SLEEP
09:37:56	midk	*yawns for the seventh time this minute
09:37:59	eval-	hehe
09:38:01	eval-	nitenite :)
09:38:05	eval-	thanks again. peace
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09:44:49	Strath	back...
09:44:55	midk	yay
09:45:34	Strath	ok... what hapens when you try to open the file?
09:45:56	Strath	(if you could help me verify the files are good....)
09:46:20	midk	just a moment please
09:46:21	Strath	(work fine for me...)
09:46:52	midk	why dont you just post them in zips or just post the c file?
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09:48:03	Strath	cause, though it should be cross platform code.. the tools i use are cygwin and linux
09:48:44	Strath	and i like the format better
09:49:14	midk	...
09:49:27	midk	dammit
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09:50:15	amiconn	Strath: I can open all .tar.gz files on that page just fine (using Filzip on Windows)
09:50:19	Strath	what extension did your browser save it with?
09:50:41	Strath	ok... it's just midk :P
09:50:52	Strath	winzip opens it fine
09:51:14	Strath	i suspect that midk's browser is mangling the file extention
09:51:40	midk	amiconn
09:51:42	amiconn	Maybe, I use Mozilla 1.6 almost all the time.
09:51:58	midk	i'm having loads of trouble with your grayscale framework, no offense of course
09:52:05	midk	i replaced all my lcd_updates etc
09:52:12	midk	switched on the overlay
09:52:27	midk	yet it either freezes my plugin or gives an illinstr error
09:52:46	Strath	i'll assume the files are ok then, thanks amiconn
09:52:48	midk	can you tell me exactly what i have to do to be able to use the grayscale framework?
09:52:54	midk	strath i'm sure they are
09:53:00	midk	winzip is mad at me tonight :)
09:54:24	amiconn	midk: Hmm, strange. It should be not too hard to use the grayscale framework. You should basically do the following:
09:54:50	amiconn	(1) Decide which parts of your screen layout should use grayscale
09:55:38	midk	can i use it in the while(!PLUGIN_OK) loop?
09:56:26	amiconn	(2) Include the grayscale framework (from "begin_grayscale_framework" to "end_grayscale_framework") into your plugin code
09:56:34	midk	did that
09:57:27	midk	waaaaaaaahahaha
09:57:27	midk	http://www.donat.org/michael/archos/images/repaired.jpg
09:58:29	amiconn	(3) Grab a buffer for the grayscale display, and then initialize it with gray_init_buffer(). Look into main() of grayscale.c how this is done.
09:58:51	midk	can i use it in the while(!PLUGIN_OK) loop?
09:59:31	amiconn	(4) Replace all drawing functions which should use grayscale with their gray_ equivalents. Beware that the parameters are sometimes different.
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10:00:02	midk	mm
10:00:04	midk	lol
10:00:59	amiconn	(5) Throw out _all_ lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect() calls that might be executed while the grayscale overlay is running.
10:01:34	midk	ok i'm going to do this step by step correctly.
10:01:49	midk	i can then use it in the while not plugin ok loop correct?
10:02:17	amiconn	If you change something in grayscale, you need no update function at all. If you use b&w in some part of the screen and change something in that, use gray_deferred_update() to get your change displayed.
10:02:59	midk	i replaced all of my lcd_updates with gray_deferred_updates
10:03:03	midk	is that ok to do
10:03:03	midk	?
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10:03:31	midk	*confused now
10:03:56	amiconn	(6) You can now switch the grayscale overlay on and off at will.
10:04:42	midk	is there any way to simply tell it that when it runs into a gray function to switch it on + do the work so you don't have to?
10:05:08	amiconn	(7) Don't forget to call gray_release_buffer() before you exit from your plugin.
10:05:25	midk	done?
10:06:01	amiconn	midk: No, this can't be done, since the gray_init_buffer needs a number of parameters it obviously cannot guess.
10:08:13	midk	heh sorry i meant are you finished explaining?
10:08:35	amiconn	Yup, these were all steps.
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10:09:14	amiconn	Btw: if you use grayscale full-screen, you don't need a single gray_deferred_update() call. It would only be a waste of cpu time.
10:10:14	midk	i'd like to go through setting this up but it's pretty late...
10:10:34	midk	i think i will quickly.
10:10:39	midk	a question
10:10:48	midk	can i use gray in while not plugin ok loop?
10:15:25	amiconn	You can use gray wherever you want within your plugin, as long as you use the functions in the correct order.
10:16:08	midk	thanks
10:16:58	midk	(4) Replace all drawing functions which should use grayscale with their gray_ equivalents. Beware that the parameters are sometimes different.
10:17:03	midk	you mean ones that i want to change
10:17:09	midk	or have to change all of them?
10:19:12	amiconn	I mean that sometimes the parameters are used in a different way, e.g. lcd_drawrect(x, y, width, height) ==> gray_drawrect(x1, y1, x2, y2, brightness)
10:19:22	midk	correct
10:19:34	midk	i must replace all LCD functions with GRAY functions?
10:19:39	midk	or only ones i want gray?
10:20:30	amiconn	You have to replace the ones that should display within the grayscale overlay area.
10:22:14	midk	so if i have a drawline(0, 5, 112, 5); and a gray_fillrect(0, 4, 112, 2);
10:22:21	midk	i have to replace drawline with gray_drawline?
10:24:16	amiconn	Yes, but gray_fillrect(0, 4, 112, 2) would not work, since the x range is from 0 to 111. If it was lcd_fillrect(0, 4, 112, 2) before, you will have to use gray_fillrect(0, 4, 111, 5, <brightness>)
10:24:28	midk	ohyes
10:25:05	midk	so anything covered by gray has to be modified to use a gray function, got it.
10:25:36	amiconn	yup.
10:25:45	amiconn	Beware that there are no functions to display text in grayscale yet.
10:25:51	midk	that's ok
10:25:57	midk	i got it to work somehow lol
10:26:04	midk	very pixelated
10:26:20	midk	well maybe tomorrow i'll go through and try to set it all up
10:26:27	midk	thanks amiconn for all your help
10:26:31	midk	good night everyobdy
10:26:39	amiconn	nite midk
10:26:40	Strath	nite midk
10:26:47	midk	ty for teh code strath
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23:18:33	Ventzislav	I am trying to flash rockbox
23:18:53	Ventzislav	however, I cannot find the .bin file it requires
23:19:10	Ventzislav	to copy before I start the process
23:19:15	Ventzislav	I didn't realize it
23:19:25	diddystar5	is it not in the .zip file?
23:19:55	Ventzislav	I don't see it
23:19:56	diddystar5	are you talking about the backup .bin files?
23:20:08	Ventzislav	the files from step 1
23:20:28	Ventzislav	firmware_v2.bin
23:22:06	Ventzislav	any help?
23:22:23	diddystar5	http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/flash_v2.zip
23:22:28	diddystar5	i see it in the zip file
23:23:07	Ventzislav	is that the Archos Jukebox Recorder V2
23:23:13	diddystar5	yes
23:24:20	Ventzislav	it is about 180 Kbytes bigger than the one available from the rockbox site
23:24:37	Ventzislav	the rockbox one is 444
23:24:43	Ventzislav	this one is 580
23:25:06	diddystar5	that is because it is uncompressed
23:25:28	diddystar5	it will work the same
23:25:28	Ventzislav	ok, I am just really worried
23:25:58	Ventzislav	cause I started the process without it and then got a message file not found any key to exit
23:26:02	diddystar5	everthing should go fine :) dont sweat it, VERY few people have ever had any problem with flashing
23:26:16	Ventzislav	should I restart the whole process now?
23:26:28	Ventzislav	I have already dump the rom
23:26:57	diddystar5	no, just run the firmware_flash.rock, and it will be fine
23:27:03	Ventzislav	ok hold
23:27:09	Ventzislav	will be back in 5 mins
23:27:12	diddystar5	ok :)
23:32:18	Ventzislav	YES! It worked
23:32:24	Ventzislav	just ne last q
23:33:02	Ventzislav	I don't understand the purpose of the last step (holding f1)
23:33:27	midk	to make sure archos fw boots.
23:33:54	diddystar5	its a emergency if all else fails solution
23:34:00	Ventzislav	in addition, should I submit a bug report that the two .bin files are not in the pack
23:34:15	diddystar5	what two . bin files?
23:35:13		Quit deadite66 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:35:21	Ventzislav	the one I couldn't find initially
23:35:28	Ventzislav	the one you showed me in the zip
23:35:36	Ventzislav	they are not n the rockbox zip
23:36:12	diddystar5	they are not meant to be
23:36:31	diddystar5	that one bin is for the first flash only
23:36:42	diddystar5	after that you use the .ucl file in the rockbox zip
23:36:50	diddystar5	(to update your flash)
23:37:42	Ventzislav	ok, then
23:37:44	Ventzislav	thanks a lot
23:38:03	Ventzislav	this device is great, and Rockbox is the best
23:38:09	diddystar5	:)
23:38:14	diddystar5	your welcome
23:39:25	Ventzislav	have a nice day
23:40:14	diddystar5	you too
23:54:22	DBUG	Enqueued KICK top_bloke
23:54:22	top_bloke	11(09leaving11) reason:[09store11] �~11(09polaris v2.05c11)~�
23:56:58		Part Ventzislav ("Leaving")

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