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| 04:12:43 | scott666 | anyone here experienced with the FMR internals? |
| 04:13:17 | midk | me |
| 04:13:34 | scott666 | seriously? |
| 04:13:48 | midk | not *too* experienced, but yes i know them |
| 04:13:55 | scott666 | hmmm |
| 04:14:02 | scott666 | well i meant more experienced than me |
| 04:14:10 | midk | depends on how experienced you are |
| 04:14:15 | scott666 | not sure if you qualify or not though |
| 04:14:15 | scott666 | yeah |
| 04:14:27 | scott666 | i need to fix the headphone jack |
| 04:14:50 | midk | so what is it you need to know? how to get there? |
| 04:14:58 | scott666 | no |
| 04:15:02 | scott666 | im already there |
| 04:15:03 | BlueChip | −−=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=−− |
| 04:15:03 | BlueChip | Hi people - Just a quick note in the IRC logs to let the Windows Developers & Power Users know that I have finally put some sexy HTML code on my web page to make the Cyborg Systems Rockbox resources easier to find. |
| 04:15:03 | BlueChip | Go here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems and 'follow your nose' :) |
| 04:15:03 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK BlueChip |
| 04:15:03 | BlueChip | −−=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=−− |
| 04:15:38 | midk | oh bc i saw that today |
| 04:15:41 | scott666 | BlueChip: didnt you add that a few days ago? |
| 04:15:41 | midk | VERY CNIe |
| 04:15:42 | midk | nice* |
| 04:16:10 | scott666 | ooh, its sexier now, i see |
| 04:16:18 | midk | oh it is |
| 04:16:45 | BlueChip | it's been under dev for a few days, but I've only just drawn a line ...Let me know if you can think of anything I have missed |
| 04:16:45 | scott666 | mmmmm...audio 3857...it feels so good on my skin |
| 04:16:54 | midk | nice job bc |
| 04:17:10 | BlueChip | Thanks guys |
| 04:17:57 | scott666 | BlueChip: ya know your 'one-click-installer' is kinda misleading |
| 04:18:00 | midk | i grant you this for your effort: |
| 04:18:01 | midk | http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/dld/NUMBER_THREE.mov |
| 04:18:12 | scott666 | not only is it a double click, but theres also some typing involved |
| 04:18:19 | midk | ooh |
| 04:18:22 | BlueChip | TYPING!!?? |
| 04:18:54 | scott666 | after youre in you have to like do stuff |
| 04:19:14 | BlueChip | only if you want to use it - LOL |
| 04:19:28 | scott666 | lol |
| 04:19:34 | midk | hahahaha |
| 04:20:25 | scott666 | this soldering iron is a piece of shit |
| 04:20:45 | BlueChip | file the soldering tip to a point |
| 04:20:57 | webmind | scott666, coldheat thing ? |
| 04:21:12 | scott666 | i brought a new one home from school, freed the PCB from the case and HD, and the fucking end pops off the rest of it |
| 04:21:37 | scott666 | if i hold it up the end is limp |
| 04:21:49 | BlueChip | Yes, I have that problem sometimes |
| 04:22:20 | scott666 | filing the tip is a bitch to do |
| 04:22:36 | BlueChip | but you will get more heat at the end if you do it |
| 04:22:49 | scott666 | yeah |
| 04:22:57 | scott666 | but thats not the problem i have |
| 04:25:03 | scott666 | i kinda fixed it with tape |
| 04:25:49 | scott666 | that'll be sturdy... |
| 04:26:05 | ze | you taped the tip of a soldering iron? |
| 04:26:05 | BlueChip | you can makes shoes out of gaffer tape :) |
| 04:26:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 day and 10 hours at the last flood |
| 04:26:15 | * | ze hopes he's misreading |
| 04:26:25 | scott666 | no |
| 04:26:26 | midk | taped the jack afaict |
| 04:26:50 | scott666 | i figured out that if pulled the cord back through the handle the end wouldnt be limp |
| 04:27:01 | scott666 | so i taped the cord to the side of the handle |
| 04:27:12 | BlueChip | sounds painful |
| 04:27:28 | scott666 | indeed |
| 04:28:42 | scott666 | i gotta get this stupid jack fixed before june |
| 04:48:49 | midk | csbc |
| 04:49:25 | scott666 | midk: any idea what that ini-PCB is? |
| 04:50:16 | midk | noes. |
| 04:50:21 | scott666 | *mini |
| 04:50:29 | scott666 | it came off... |
| 04:50:31 | scott666 | heh |
| 04:50:43 | scott666 | the little wires just snapped off the solder |
| 04:51:09 | midk | um |
| 04:51:11 | BlueChip | word has it that it is the fm ariel |
| 04:51:12 | midk | "oops" |
| 04:51:37 | scott666 | ariel? |
| 04:51:59 | BlueChip | hm, maybe that speeling is for washing powder |
| 04:52:51 | scott666 | even if it is i dont know what it means |
| 04:53:15 | BlueChip | its a thing what picks up radio signals and gives them to your radio so it can make sensible sounds |
| 04:54:28 | scott666 | so its only essential for radio-listening? |
| 04:54:41 | scott666 | does the headphone jack need it to live? |
| 04:54:48 | BlueChip | "aerial" (wow how wrong could I have been! -lol) |
| 04:55:18 | BlueChip | I couldn't say for sure, I jus recall someone mentioning it on the newsgroup |
| 04:55:28 | BlueChip | "live"? |
| 04:55:42 | BlueChip | sorry, live, not live |
| 04:55:47 | * | scott666 's headphone jack is dead |
| 04:55:49 | midk | .... |
| 04:55:58 | midk | good one bc!!!! |
| 04:56:24 | BlueChip | do you have a new socket? |
| 04:56:28 | scott666 | no |
| 04:56:48 | scott666 | im seeing if theres just something disconnected or if its really dead atm |
| 04:56:48 | BlueChip | could be tricky to test then :( |
| 04:57:20 | BlueChip | grow a couple of extra hands and hold wires in place and see if you get sound |
| 04:58:41 | BlueChip | or rip a spare socket off an old sound card or similar |
| 04:59:07 | BlueChip | (no need to grow extra hands that way) |
| 04:59:30 | midk | ahaha |
| 04:59:32 | midk | 8coughs |
| 04:59:34 | midk | er |
| 04:59:35 | scott666 | also need to get the old one out |
| 04:59:37 | midk | yeah |
| 04:59:45 | scott666 | that could be trickier |
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| 05:00:52 | scott666 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/fmrec_bottom_hires.jpg |
| 05:01:17 | scott666 | does anyone know what the (relatively) big wire going to the headphone jack in the bottom left corner is? |
| 05:02:24 | scott666 | guesses? |
| 05:02:35 | BlueChip | aerial? grounding? |
| 05:02:57 | scott666 | its also disconnected |
| 05:03:18 | BlueChip | whats on the other end? |
| 05:03:26 | scott666 | and im not sure how im gonna be able to re-solder it because the part that needs soldering is in that narrow gap |
| 05:04:50 | scott666 | theres a big copper plate soldered on top of what it goes into |
| 05:04:50 | BlueChip | smaller iron :( |
| 05:05:02 | BlueChip | probably grounding then |
| 05:05:20 | BlueChip | that is just a guess |
| 05:05:24 | scott666 | linus took his copper plate off |
| 05:05:27 | scott666 | heh |
| 05:06:55 | * | scott666 needs to fix his headphone jack before his trip to france |
| 05:07:13 | BlueChip | best speak to someone who has done it then - mayeb Linus? |
| 05:07:45 | scott666 | yeah, thatd be good |
| 05:07:56 | scott666 | it would have to be on the weekend though, because of time zones |
| 05:08:10 | BlueChip | so not THAT important then? |
| 05:08:40 | scott666 | what? |
| 05:08:51 | BlueChip | stay up late one night to chat with him? |
| 05:09:00 | BlueChip | or get up early? |
| 05:09:37 | * | scott666 wonders how many hours ahead sweeden is |
| 05:09:49 | BlueChip | it is 05:00 there atm (iirc) |
| 05:10:20 | scott666 | so GMT +7? |
| 05:10:30 | scott666 | err 1 |
| 05:10:32 | BlueChip | lol |
| 05:10:48 | BlueChip | errrr, GMT I think |
| 05:10:51 | BlueChip | +0 |
| 05:11:02 | scott666 | (SST + 7) |
| 05:11:08 | scott666 | ((scott standard time) |
| 05:11:08 | BlueChip | (ahh) |
| 05:11:13 | BlueChip | LMAO |
| 05:15:25 | BlueChip | Well the angels are calling me - so I must go and dream of hot babes and chinese take-away - nite all |
| 05:15:32 | midk | nite |
| 05:15:36 | scott666 | later BC |
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| 11:41:49 | LinusN | hola |
| 11:41:58 | Zagor | d00dz! ;-P |
| 11:42:26 | LinusN | Rockbox Devcon 2004 is officially opened! |
| 11:45:07 | pfavr | Great! |
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| 12:01:46 | Zagor | linus is officially a chicken |
| 12:01:59 | LinusN | thankx björn |
| 12:02:12 | LinusN | ok, ok, i haven't flashed my fm... |
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| 12:05:13 | Zagor | and now we get warm coke. what is this? ;) |
| 12:29:31 | elinenbe | good luck at Devcon 2004! |
| 12:29:41 | elinenbe | maybe we will see doom come out of it? |
| 12:29:42 | elinenbe | :) |
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| 13:14:54 | amiconn | hi LinusN, Zagor! |
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| 13:29:27 | Zagor | howdy |
| 13:34:24 | amiconn | How's Devcon going? |
| 13:39:58 | Zagor | oh, fine. we |
| 13:40:06 | Zagor | 've mostly just chatted yet. |
| 13:40:17 | LinusN | and ordered pizza |
| 13:40:28 | Zagor | i've started on Magnus' file type patch |
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| 14:00:13 | amiconn | What about the huge amount of pending bug reports and patches at sf? |
| 14:00:33 | amiconn | Are you going to look into these; perhaps a number of them could be simply closed? |
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| 14:07:43 | limbus | If you permit my comment: I'm pretty sure about that. I've started a small list with simply obsolete (because implemented in the meantime) feature requests as well as bugreports. Unfortunately, that list resides at home. |
| 14:08:50 | * | [IDC]Dragon greets the DevCon2004 !!! |
| 14:09:20 | * | [IDC]Dragon is unfortunately not there. |
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| 14:46:17 | midk | hi all |
| 14:47:38 | amiconn | hi midk |
| 14:47:48 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
| 14:48:46 | limbus | ho |
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| 15:02:13 | mattzz | hi ho |
| 15:02:25 | * | mattzz is back from egypt |
| 15:02:26 | midk | hi mattzz |
| 15:02:31 | midk | cool! |
| 15:02:45 | amiconn | hi mattzz |
| 15:03:00 | [IDC]Dragon | see who's surfacing! |
| 15:03:10 | mattzz | many changes in CVS the last week! |
| 15:03:39 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn was committing like mad |
| 15:03:51 | amiconn | ;) |
| 15:04:00 | mattzz | so everything became much faster here and there I guess ;-) |
| 15:04:19 | [IDC]Dragon | we could barely keep him from your mandelbrot |
| 15:04:41 | midk | lol |
| 15:04:49 | mattzz | I prefer _our_ mandelbrot - so that's pretty much ok with me ;-) |
| 15:05:11 | mattzz | [IDC]Dragon: a question concerning the jpeg viewer.... |
| 15:05:16 | [IDC]Dragon | mattzz: you can start right away updating it, and the metronome |
| 15:05:31 | [IDC]Dragon | yes? |
| 15:06:00 | mattzz | [IDC]Dragon: what do you think of a high speed DC-only decoding feature? |
| 15:06:17 | [IDC]Dragon | I am doing that already. |
| 15:06:31 | mattzz | I c |
| 15:06:37 | mattzz | should have known that ;) |
| 15:07:20 | mattzz | ok, what about the metronome? |
| 15:07:21 | [IDC]Dragon | DC, 2*2, 4*4, 8*8 are the zoom levels |
| 15:07:47 | * | mattzz is going to flash right away |
| 15:07:54 | [IDC]Dragon | the plugin API now allows you to register a timer |
| 15:08:22 | mattzz | cool |
| 15:08:33 | [IDC]Dragon | you can use that for your "tock", but you'd need to scale it further down |
| 15:09:11 | [IDC]Dragon | because the timer can at max divide the CPU clock by 8*65536 |
| 15:09:48 | Zagor | limbus: we appreciate help with managing the bug reports. feel free to mark obsolete reports and requests as such. |
| 15:10:06 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi DevCon! |
| 15:10:10 | Zagor | hehe, hi |
| 15:10:10 | mattzz | [IDC]Dragon:I wanted to add some functionality anyway |
| 15:11:20 | midk | hi zagor |
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| 15:18:44 | limbus | Zagor: Do I right understand that it is ok if I change those holy properties/settings ? Or do you mean I should just comment it into or make that list ? |
| 15:19:27 | Zagor | yes, if you know 100% the item is obsolete it is ok to change the properties. |
| 15:19:59 | Zagor | but don't close fixed bugs, only mark them fixed. we close the fixed bugs when we release new versions. |
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| 15:44:11 | midk | later |
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| 16:01:13 | limbus | I suppose I can't close them anyway. |
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| 17:40:12 | amiconn | hi Bagder |
| 17:40:18 | Bagder | hey ho |
| 17:40:35 | LinusN | bagder just joined the devcon |
| 17:41:03 | amiconn | LinusN, Zagor, Bagder and [IDC]Dragon all in here - whow! |
| 17:41:48 | LinusN | a day to remember :-) |
| 17:41:50 | Zagor | one big happy family :) |
| 17:44:01 | Bagder | at least big :-) |
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| 17:52:29 | [IDC]Dragon | virtual DevCon |
| 17:52:56 | [IDC]Dragon | any NetMeeting from sweden? |
| 17:55:04 | Zagor | Appendix B. NetMeeting LDAP protocol violations |
| 17:55:06 | Zagor | :-) |
| 17:55:19 | Zagor | google can be cruel sometimes |
| 17:58:19 | pfavr | amiconn, I'm here too! |
| 17:58:51 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm changing from work to home now |
| 17:59:02 | [IDC]Dragon | see you later! |
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| 18:17:54 | Zagor | FYI: I have limited access to the CVS server due to the current cvs vulnerability |
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| 18:27:12 | * | limbus is getting insane behind the firewall he has to http-tunnel around |
| 18:29:18 | Zagor | yeah, that's painful |
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| 19:19:52 | Topic | "we are devcon 2004" by Bagder (~dast@1-1-3-36a.hdn.sth.bostream.se) |
| 19:20:10 | elinenbe | how is DevCom going? |
| 19:20:18 | elinenbe | I think it should be in New York City next year! |
| 19:20:18 | Zagor | lots of coke... |
| 19:20:35 | elinenbe | ah... is anything new coming out of it? 2.3? New interface? |
| 19:20:36 | Bagder | I'm in for NY! |
| 19:20:45 | elinenbe | I can hold 2 people at my place :) |
| 19:20:46 | Zagor | i |
| 19:21:05 | Zagor | i'm working on the plugin/extension code |
| 19:21:24 | elinenbe | sounds great! |
| 19:21:35 | elinenbe | what about the icon driven grayscale interface? |
| 19:21:35 | BlueChip | Is there any plan to allow multiple files per plugin? |
| 19:21:36 | Zagor | so you can tell rockboxwhich plugin to use for which file type (or select) |
| 19:21:47 | Zagor | BlueChip: source files? |
| 19:22:10 | BlueChip | my main thought is for .h files, but multiple .c's would make writing large plugins easier |
| 19:22:31 | Bagder | we support it already |
| 19:22:33 | Bagder | :-) |
| 19:22:39 | Zagor | there's not really any limit to it today, just the Makefile isn't prepared for it |
| 19:22:52 | Bagder | put the additional ones in the libplugin |
| 19:23:00 | Bagder | make the main one a single |
| 19:23:54 | BlueChip | so, example, othelo.h and othelo_gfx_funcs.c would live in lib/ ? |
| 19:24:17 | Zagor | well, i'd prefer a bit more general code than othelo* :-) |
| 19:24:26 | Zagor | but in principle, yes |
| 19:26:16 | BlueChip | okay - may I suggest that the plugin makefile could know about dependancies, so (another simple example) changes plugins/othelo_font.h would trigger a rebuild of othelo? |
| 19:26:53 | BlueChip | it seems a good idea to only use lib/ for stuff which will be used by multiple plugins |
| 19:27:09 | Zagor | that's the general idea, but not strictly a requirement |
| 19:27:56 | BlueChip | I still wonder if Badgers idea for one dir per plugin might be good? |
| 19:28:25 | Bagder | at least for the more complicated ones |
| 19:28:38 | Bagder | we could add dirs for those plugins that need it |
| 19:28:47 | Zagor | yup |
| 19:28:57 | BlueChip | more than 1 dir a single plugin?? is there a simple example? |
| 19:29:04 | Zagor | i'm a big fan of not solving a problem until it occurs |
| 19:29:39 | elinenbe | is it true the gameboy emulator is coming out of DevCom 3.0? |
| 19:29:48 | elinenbe | I've heard rumors! |
| 19:30:27 | BlueChip | a z80 emulator on an sh1 - cool |
| 19:30:46 | amiconn | Grr, GCC does silly things I've told it not to do! |
| 19:32:36 | amiconn | (1) It does link the routine for unsigned division if I divide 2 terms that only contain signed variables |
| 19:33:17 | amiconn | (2) It does use the 32bit multiplication library routine when I tell it that I want 16bit multiplication |
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| 19:40:07 | | Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9512572.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:40:18 | amiconn | re Jörg |
| 19:40:25 | [IDC]Dragon | hi again |
| 19:40:56 | [IDC]Dragon | any pictures from DevCon2004? |
| 19:42:19 | [IDC]Dragon | we non-Stockholmers feel so isolated |
| 19:42:40 | Bagder | linus brings the camera |
| 19:42:46 | BlueChip | ooh, do we get to see our "noble" leaders :) |
| 19:43:50 | * | Zagor is patching cvs |
| 19:44:17 | [IDC]Dragon | for better or worse? |
| 19:44:54 | Zagor | fixing a remote vulnerability. i'd lean towards "better" ;-) |
| 19:45:22 | amiconn | Zagor: Will there be ssh authentication, as with the sf servers? |
| 19:45:35 | LinusN | nope |
| 19:45:38 | Zagor | no. that requires local accounts, which we want to avoid |
| 19:47:15 | Zagor | cvs access is now unrestricted again |
| 19:47:29 | [IDC]Dragon | that was quick! |
| 19:47:48 | Zagor | yeah, i dug up the patch from debian.org and applied it manually |
| 19:48:18 | Bagder | the camera ran out of battery :-) |
| 19:48:20 | elinenbe | are there any/many hack attempts on the haxx.se machine/s? |
| 19:48:38 | elinenbe | Bagder: that is why you don't want a proprietary battery! |
| 19:48:47 | Zagor | depends on what you mean. we get port scanned all the time, like everyone else |
| 19:48:47 | Bagder | indeed |
| 19:48:59 | [IDC]Dragon | you guys are probable just too shy or ugly ;-) |
| 19:48:59 | LinusN | www.haxx.se was 0wned just a week ago |
| 19:49:10 | Bagder | I do get a worldrecord rate of emailviruses :-) |
| 19:49:19 | Zagor | luckily that's a different server from rockbox.haxx.se though |
| 19:49:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:49:27 | LinusN | a web hotel |
| 19:49:28 | pfavr | I'm trying to do a redesign of the user interface - a sneak preview is here: http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk |
| 19:49:29 | BlueChip | lol |
| 19:49:34 | Zagor | and we don't run it :) (damaga control in progress... ;) |
| 19:49:38 | elinenbe | just get a nice virsu scanner and a bayseian style "filter" |
| 19:49:46 | Bagder | elinenbe: I do |
| 19:50:01 | Bagder | I get 4000+ viruses every day |
| 19:50:08 | amiconn | Bagder: The rockbox front page looks a bit unusual ;-) |
| 19:50:12 | Bagder | filtering is everything |
| 19:50:42 | Zagor | hooo, lots of fonts :) |
| 19:50:58 | Bagder | hehe |
| 19:51:07 | Bagder | commit more to make those fonts scroll out! |
| 19:51:09 | elinenbe | 4000+ WHAT THE FUCK? |
| 19:51:11 | elinenbe | ug! |
| 19:51:12 | elinenbe | :) |
| 19:51:27 | elinenbe | okay −− I'm going running −− good luck with DevCon 3.0 |
| 19:51:37 | Bagder | see ya |
| 19:51:40 | BlueChip | front page - lol - you have been busy dan! |
| 19:52:14 | BlueChip | hey, you could always use a web cam or video cam for photo-shoots of the dev-con |
| 19:52:27 | Bagder | we don't have any webcam here |
| 19:52:34 | [IDC]Dragon | if you don't post pictures, I do: |
| 19:52:36 | [IDC]Dragon | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/me |
| 19:52:50 | Bagder | pfavr does some wallclimbing to catch the whole room in one shot |
| 19:52:53 | [IDC]Dragon | (unveiling the secret of how ugly I look) |
| 19:53:15 | * | Zagor hesitates to look... ;-P |
| 19:55:54 | | Join uski [0] (~moo@gandalf.digital-network.org) |
| 19:56:07 | | Quit wake ("leaving") |
| 19:58:44 | * | [IDC]Dragon took the pictures offline again, for safety |
| 19:58:48 | Zagor | haha |
| 19:59:14 | | Nick [IDC]Dragon is now known as [IDC]Dragon|afk (~idc-drago@pD9512572.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:59:29 | uski | hi all ! |
| 19:59:39 | Zagor | howdy |
| 19:59:57 | uski | blah, which pictures ? o:) |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:05 | amiconn | Bagder: Two qns: (1) Why is "fonts" a branch? |
| 20:00:33 | uski | wow, Badger + Zagor + LinusN + [IDC]Dragon + amiconn + BlueChip + ... |
| 20:00:36 | amiconn | (2) Wouldn't "sokoban.levels" belong under /.rockbox/rocks ? |
| 20:00:51 | uski | a lot of devs this "evening" |
| 20:01:28 | | Join HenrikB [0] (~HenrikB@as4-2-2.sjom.b.bonet.se) |
| 20:02:45 | BlueChip | [IDC]Dragon: "Safety" ...you're getting as bad as me |
| 20:05:13 | amiconn | uski: It's DevCon day in Sweden ;-) |
| 20:05:23 | uski | ah ;) |
| 20:05:43 | LinusN | http://linus.haxx.se/devcon1.jpg |
| 20:06:26 | uski | ooo |
| 20:06:34 | Bagder | at linus' place |
| 20:06:43 | uski | do i see popcorns ? or is it sth else ? |
| 20:06:54 | pfavr | yes it is:-) |
| 20:06:57 | uski | :] |
| 20:08:07 | uski | and what are "they" doing ? :) |
| 20:09:06 | uski | apart from eating popcorns |
| 20:09:20 | BlueChip | who's who? - more to the point who was the only guy willing to face the camera? lol |
| 20:09:42 | uski | yea :) good question :) |
| 20:09:50 | pfavr | I'm trying to redesign the user interface... have this idea of having more "screens" - each suited for different tasks, e.g. Track (today's WPS), Files, ... see this link: http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk |
| 20:09:52 | uski | i guess Linus is the one with the child |
| 20:09:57 | pfavr | yes |
| 20:10:13 | pfavr | I'm facing the cam - it was set on timer and I had limited time.... |
| 20:10:35 | BlueChip | bloody good shot for a timer shot :) |
| 20:10:41 | pfavr | thanks:-) |
| 20:11:40 | uski | Bjron was patching CVS i guess :) |
| 20:11:52 | uski | s/Bjron/Björn |
| 20:12:18 | Bagder | and he's on the left |
| 20:12:24 | Bagder | I'm on the right |
| 20:13:14 | BlueChip | btw dan, is your nick deliberately mistyped? |
| 20:13:20 | Bagder | yes it is |
| 20:13:29 | Bagder | I'm not badger |
| 20:13:39 | uski | who want to see a photo of Bagder? :P |
| 20:13:47 | uski | a facing one ;P |
| 20:14:00 | uski | http://daniel.haxx.se/ |
| 20:14:01 | BlueChip | OH! You mean I've been mis-reading your name since I first joined here? LOL |
| 20:14:15 | uski | don't try to hide Bagder ! ;) |
| 20:14:16 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 20:14:35 | pfavr | If anyone would like to discuss user interface - please go ahead - the regular rockbox guys here are getting tired of me talking to myself... |
| 20:14:41 | BlueChip | Does Bagder have a meaning? |
| 20:14:42 | pfavr | (and them) |
| 20:14:43 | uski | lol |
| 20:14:52 | BlueChip | lol |
| 20:14:59 | LinusN | no, bagder has no excuse for his existence |
| 20:15:07 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 20:15:11 | Bagder | I have no meaning! |
| 20:15:11 | uski | :D |
| 20:15:14 | uski | yea |
| 20:15:19 | uski | you don't exist |
| 20:15:31 | LinusN | he's our mascot |
| 20:15:36 | BlueChip | errrr, not _quite_ what I meant :D |
| 20:15:38 | * | Bagder stands in a corner trying to not be visible |
| 20:15:40 | uski | you're a bad pointer. |
| 20:15:46 | uski | Segmentation fault. |
| 20:15:56 | LinusN | "perhaps if we built this huge wooden Bagder..." |
| 20:16:06 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 20:16:09 | Bagder | BlueChip: but to answer the question, no it doesn't have a meaning but being my nick |
| 20:16:25 | Bagder | "then me, lancelot and galahad jumps out of the rabbit..." |
| 20:16:43 | uski | hmm |
| 20:16:54 | * | uski is trying to count how many archoses are visible on the picture |
| 20:17:08 | uski | i see 2 |
| 20:17:23 | Bagder | yes, not that many are visible |
| 20:17:51 | Zagor | note the odd one above the trashcan |
| 20:18:13 | uski | ah yea |
| 20:18:35 | LinusN | there are 4 in the picture, see if you can spot them |
| 20:18:38 | Zagor | although that's an av340 so that only counts as a half :) |
| 20:18:48 | BlueChip | Where's wally? |
| 20:19:04 | uski | lol i was about to say it |
| 20:19:12 | LinusN | wth the av340, there are 5 |
| 20:20:53 | uski | hmmm |
| 20:20:55 | uski | diner time |
| 20:21:11 | uski | i'll try to catch them all when i'll be back |
| 20:21:14 | uski | brb |
| 20:21:42 | uski | oh |
| 20:21:45 | uski | another facing picture |
| 20:21:46 | uski | http://bjorn.haxx.se/ |
| 20:21:47 | uski | :P |
| 20:24:38 | | Nick mattzz|away is now known as mattzz (~mattzz@b107214.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 20:24:47 | mattzz | ah, it's picture time?! |
| 20:27:59 | mattzz | nice. |
| 20:28:49 | Topic | "we are devcon 2004 http://linus.haxx.se/devcon1.jpg" by Bagder (~dast@1-1-3-36a.hdn.sth.bostream.se) |
| 20:30:21 | BlueChip | Has is thought being given to custom menus? |
| 20:30:57 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | how's the air in that room? ;-) |
| 20:31:23 | mattzz | ugly me is @ mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MatthiasWientapper">http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MatthiasWientapper |
| 20:31:26 | BlueChip | I'm curious about the thing that look suspiciously like a red condom hanging from the light fitting - lol |
| 20:31:44 | mattzz | uh, gotta go... |
| 20:31:51 | | Nick mattzz is now known as mattzz|away (~mattzz@b107214.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 20:32:19 | Bagder | the air is still fine, we've had the door open a lot |
| 20:32:40 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | too bad this is no webcam |
| 20:33:22 | Bagder | yeah :-( |
| 20:34:38 | pfavr | BlueChip, yes, the idea was to have a user configurable menu as well |
| 20:34:47 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | while you're all there: most important question on the list for a while - is it finally OK to name the talkbox clips "~dirname.talk" ? |
| 20:35:19 | Zagor | yes |
| 20:35:21 | Zagor | no |
| 20:35:26 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | (I guess Linux users are smart enought to live with the '~' ) |
| 20:35:37 | Zagor | haha. why the ~ ? |
| 20:35:49 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | makes it sorted to the end |
| 20:36:08 | Zagor | that also means "temporary file" in unix :) |
| 20:36:23 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | ah, well |
| 20:36:30 | BlueChip | may I suggest not to use .mp3, maybe .voice? |
| 20:36:42 | Zagor | .talk is not .mp3 :-) |
| 20:36:42 | pfavr | BlueChip, but I haven't figured it out yet. I think if we assign some functions to buttons which the user holds down for 0.3 second _and_ have multiple screens there will be plenty of keys |
| 20:36:46 | uski | im back ! |
| 20:36:49 | uski | fear ! |
| 20:37:15 | uski | LOL @ <[IDC]Dragon|afk> how's the air in that room? ;-) |
| 20:37:44 | Zagor | there's a balcony just to the left in the picture. no worries :) |
| 20:37:46 | Bagder | we're watching the devcon image using your JPEG-viewer jörg |
| 20:37:58 | Bagder | looks neat |
| 20:38:17 | uski | hmmm :) |
| 20:38:23 | uski | i should try this jpeg viewer |
| 20:38:37 | BlueChip | well, I give up - I can't find all the Jukeboxes - lol |
| 20:38:56 | LinusN | i'll put up the solution in a sec |
| 20:39:15 | Bagder | we'll make a better archosshot once the batteries are charged |
| 20:40:07 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon|afk: Does your comment within jpeg.c "we're unfortunately slower than key repeat, so empty the button queue, to avoid post-scroll" still hold? |
| 20:40:47 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon|afk: i think _dirname.talk is still the best name |
| 20:41:14 | uski | why not .dirname.talk ? |
| 20:41:31 | uski | so it does not show in the browser |
| 20:41:31 | BlueChip | .filename is not supported by windows |
| 20:41:32 | Zagor | because windows explorer refuses two dots in a filename |
| 20:41:40 | uski | loool |
| 20:41:40 | uski | ok |
| 20:41:57 | BlueChip | you can have two dots - just not a dot as the first character |
| 20:42:02 | Zagor | right |
| 20:42:04 | uski | (...i'm quite happy to have thrown away my windows CDs when i hear this) |
| 20:43:30 | BlueChip | (kettle) brb |
| 20:44:06 | uski | hmmm anyone here having some experience at low level parallel port programming with linux ? (and no, it is not offtopic, as i need to do things with my parport to prepare some new hw mod :)) |
| 20:44:24 | pfavr | yes I have |
| 20:44:45 | uski | lemme send you some lines of code i'm currently using |
| 20:46:39 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | Zagor: the _ get sorted to the front :( |
| 20:47:14 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | amiconn: about the key repeat rate: I don't know, try it |
| 20:47:48 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | but it's probably better style to always empty it before returning in the loop |
| 20:47:49 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon|afk: yes, but it's universal. i think the sort order is not very important, as long as it doesn't mix with the tracks |
| 20:48:10 | BlueChip | if you use .talk or .voice - it will not show normally |
| 20:48:14 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | hmm, 70% convinced |
| 20:48:20 | Zagor | BlueChip: good point |
| 20:48:48 | amiconn | BlueChip: .voice is already taken by the voice file for the ui, which is a completely different format. |
| 20:49:32 | BlueChip | ami: my thought was that all the speaking type stuff would have the file ext - but yes, with the differnt format, it could get confusing |
| 20:51:01 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: An idea for the .voice files: perhaps these could be supported the same way as the .lng files - you "play" them to set another voice. |
| 20:51:34 | BlueChip | ami: nice idea :) |
| 20:51:36 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | amiconn: then we need another setting to remember whis was used |
| 20:51:43 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | which |
| 20:51:53 | amiconn | This selection could even be stored in the settings. This way it would easily possible to have several voice files for the same language. |
| 20:52:02 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | right now it corresponds to the language |
| 20:52:39 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | this would be a long setting, a full pathname |
| 20:52:44 | Zagor | i think we should keep it english.voice, for simplicity |
| 20:53:02 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | or deutsch.voice |
| 20:53:05 | Zagor | i think few people actually want to swap between voices, just like people don't use alternate english language files |
| 20:53:06 | Zagor | yes |
| 20:53:29 | LinusN | http://linus.haxx.se/devcon1_solution.jpg |
| 20:54:07 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | haha |
| 20:59:49 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon|afk: I just found that the jpeg viewer doesn't react correctly on usb insertion |
| 21:00 |
| 21:01:11 | limbus | errr. I don't get the issue with the filename of dirclips. why don't you FAT-mark ist as hidden ? |
| 21:01:23 | limbus | s/ist/is |
| 21:02:10 | amiconn | limbus: It's not about to hide is, but to list it at the top or bottom |
| 21:02:19 | BlueChip | solution: darn missed the one on the shelf! |
| 21:02:19 | amiconn | s/is/it/ |
| 21:02:50 | HenrikB | Hi all, nice to see so many developers here at the same time |
| 21:03:58 | limbus | amiconn: then I would opt for the end of course |
| 21:04:44 | amiconn | The problem with that sorting is that the various dir browsers disagree about sort order. |
| 21:05:57 | amiconn | ...and that some naming schemes have special meanings in one os or the other |
| 21:06:07 | BlueChip | pavr: what thoughts have you had about custom menus on the new interface |
| 21:06:17 | limbus | amiconn various dir browsers ? in what way ? do you mean windows explorer does sort otherwise than rockbox than linux somewhat explorer |
| 21:06:22 | HenrikB | .. and to find a nice special character without special meaning |
| 21:06:43 | elinenbe | nice picture :) |
| 21:06:49 | elinenbe | back from running! |
| 21:07:02 | amiconn | limbus: yup. Adding to the problem is that windows explorer does have something against a dot at the first character. |
| 21:07:35 | limbus | yeah, I know. breaking my fingers with ".java.policy" every time I try out something new |
| 21:07:42 | elinenbe | I think there should be a devcon every week −− does it help much with the coding? |
| 21:08:03 | elinenbe | Bagder: don't you have an AV300? What ever happened to that project (and Dogger?) |
| 21:08:12 | Bagder | Zagor has one |
| 21:08:49 | Bagder | hi HenrikB |
| 21:09:06 | Zagor | HenrikB: I'm merging your filetypes patch |
| 21:09:11 | BlueChip | sorting by ascii to place after letters leaves only { | } ~ :( |
| 21:09:51 | Zagor | elinenbe: i haven't had time to hack on the av300 yet. I'd still like to do it. |
| 21:10:11 | elinenbe | who is pfavr |
| 21:10:30 | Bagder | he's the guy closest to the cam on the pic! |
| 21:10:45 | elinenbe | what is his real name though? |
| 21:10:52 | pfavr | Peter Favrholdt |
| 21:11:04 | HenrikB | Zagor: Nice, I just uploaded a clean one |
| 21:11:17 | elinenbe | I've never heard his name with regards to rockbox development... |
| 21:11:27 | pfavr | I'm probably the guy here (in #rockbox irc) that contributed the least to rockbox :-) |
| 21:11:34 | elinenbe | :-) |
| 21:11:44 | amiconn | pfavr: pfavr isn't explained in the irc nic list |
| 21:12:05 | pfavr | I'm trying to do a UI overhaul... anybody like to help? |
| 21:12:53 | pfavr | BlueChip, sorry overlooked that one, yes I just think there should be user assignable shortcut buttons... but how it should be done is still open... |
| 21:13:12 | Zagor | HenrikB: I'm removing the cache file. it doesn't make a noticeable speedup. |
| 21:13:52 | Zagor | bagder is working on improving the builds, so we'll still be able to flash firmwares even after I remove that from core Rockbox :-) |
| 21:13:53 | elinenbe | <pfavr> I'm probably the guy here (in #rockbox irc) that contributed the least to rockbox :-) <−−- I haven't done too much either! :-) |
| 21:14:21 | elinenbe | LinusN: is that Windows you are running? |
| 21:14:24 | BlueChip | pfavr: I like the idea of f1=rocbox menu; f2=custom menu; f3=context menu |
| 21:14:31 | elinenbe | LinusN: how's the wife and child? |
| 21:15:02 | Zagor | BlueChip: actually that's the old NEWKEYS concept :-) |
| 21:15:17 | pfavr | BlueChip, I'm thinking about removing the "rockbox menu" (or "Main menu") and putting all the functions out in the "Context menus". |
| 21:15:19 | BlueChip | zagor: is that still on the cards? |
| 21:15:29 | Zagor | BlueChip: yup |
| 21:15:31 | LinusN | elinenbe: linux with kde |
| 21:15:38 | pfavr | I started out looking at the NEWKEYS |
| 21:15:46 | LinusN | Zagor is running windows :-) |
| 21:15:51 | Bagder | booooooo |
| 21:15:54 | * | Zagor sobs |
| 21:15:59 | HenrikB | Zagor: Ok, I belive it improved startaup with about 1 second on my slow Hitachi disk |
| 21:16:02 | LinusN | wife is still bad, child is ok |
| 21:16:02 | pfavr | BlueChip, http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?action=edit&id=Custom_Menus |
| 21:16:07 | Zagor | it's a borrowed laptop! i'm innocent!!! ;) |
| 21:16:21 | Bagder | that's what they all say |
| 21:16:23 | LinusN | "borrowed" |
| 21:16:25 | Bagder | :-) |
| 21:16:34 | LinusN | he ripped it from a poor guy on the train station |
| 21:16:42 | Zagor | haha |
| 21:16:55 | BlueChip | pfavr: errrr, what am I looking at on this page - a big edit box? |
| 21:17:03 | Zagor | we're producing many LOC today |
| 21:17:16 | Zagor | Lines Of Chat, that is... |
| 21:17:21 | pfavr | BlueChip, just type in your wishes! it is a wiki so everyone can contribute |
| 21:17:39 | LinusN | it |
| 21:17:54 | BlueChip | okay |
| 21:17:57 | LinusN | 's silent in this room, we use IRC for conversation |
| 21:18:01 | limbus | BlueChip: can't we forget about sorting of dir.clips if we hide them from the menue ? |
| 21:18:47 | BlueChip | limbus: yes, I think simply not calling them .mp3 is sufficient, but other wish to get the sorting order defined |
| 21:18:56 | pfavr | BlueChip, I'm not sure what you mean by "custom menus". Is it the same thing as "user assignable shortcuts/keys" (maybe even in a menu) |
| 21:19:02 | HenrikB | Zagor: If the cache is removed, remember to remove the "Reset plugin list" in "Manage settings" |
| 21:19:19 | Zagor | limbus: we don't need to hide them, they are already hidden except in "Show All" mode, where we *want* to show all files |
| 21:19:30 | limbus | aaahhhh |
| 21:20:05 | BlueChip | pfavr: many complain <this> option or <that> option should be in the top level menu - a custom menu would allow people to have their favourite options within easy reach |
| 21:20:24 | limbus | as far as almost nobody uses the "show all" for listening, do we still have to battle about BEFORE or AFTER music ? |
| 21:20:58 | pfavr | BlueChip, I think that is ixed by not having ONE top level menu - but e.g. SIX different "Screens" having each a top level menu. |
| 21:21:05 | BlueChip | I would especially like to see a sort by extension, so my playlists all group at the top |
| 21:21:08 | pfavr | s/ixed/fixed |
| 21:21:17 | Zagor | HenrikB: ah, right. thanks. |
| 21:21:29 | limbus | Zagor: or wouldn't that justfy some ugly code to sort them AFTER music despite the fact it starts with _ ? |
| 21:22:11 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | wanna see how childish I am? : |
| 21:22:13 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/backlight.jpg |
| 21:22:20 | BlueChip | pfavr: hmmm, but I would still like to find (personally) sleep-timer and backlight-timer a quick step away wherever I am |
| 21:22:22 | pfavr | BlueChip, I mean would the custom menu contain stuff that you cannot find already in the context menu? If no, I don't think we need custom menus - only accelerator buttons |
| 21:22:59 | amiconn | limbus: It is not only about sorting these files out of the way in Rockbox |
| 21:23:20 | Zagor | limbus: i think since we don't normally see them anyway it's not an issue |
| 21:23:32 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | at least I thought it's childish, but the white backlight is so much better (sorry for OT) |
| 21:23:36 | pfavr | BlueChip, ok then we probably need custom menus as well :-) How about making the context menus modifiable through config files - so that you can edit them to your own liking? |
| 21:24:09 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon|afk: Thought this was blue... |
| 21:24:12 | limbus | ok, I remember: <Zagor> i'm a big fan of not solving a problem until it occurs |
| 21:24:34 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | looks blue-ish, but is in fact white |
| 21:24:42 | pfavr | BlueChip, this would "merge" the context menu and the custom menu. The motivation being to use more buttons for functions and less for calling up different menus |
| 21:25:01 | limbus | [IDC]Dragon|afk: we all have got the same music on our boxes, isn't it ? |
| 21:25:24 | [IDC]Dragon|afk | starting with 'A' ? |
| 21:25:31 | BlueChip | pfavr: hmmm, not sure I agree, but I'm not sure why - it seems sensible to have context-menu defined by Rockbox - example, if context on a file, is "sleep-timer" in context? |
| 21:25:44 | | Nick [IDC]Dragon|afk is now known as [IDC]Dragon (~idc-drago@pD9512572.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:26:24 | BlueChip | [IDC]Dragon: blue leds - very cool |
| 21:26:33 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: but you're right, it's a very cold white |
| 21:26:55 | [IDC]Dragon | BlueChip: no, white! (with a touch of blue) |
| 21:27:05 | limbus | [IDC]Dragon: jup, Air, Alicia Keys, Alanis, Aimee, Apocalyptica, Avril, Black Eyed Peas and so on. |
| 21:27:14 | [IDC]Dragon | and like 3* brighter |
| 21:27:17 | amiconn | White leds are very nice for grayscale display... just thinking about doing that mod myself. |
| 21:27:24 | BlueChip | [IDC]Dragon: looks vry blue in that shot - but I guess white makes the video look even better :) |
| 21:27:39 | [IDC]Dragon | blue movies? |
| 21:27:43 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 21:27:54 | [IDC]Dragon | blue chip LEDs |
| 21:28:15 | BlueChip | LOL - did you have to do anything other than replace the LEDs? |
| 21:28:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I'd recommend some "warm white" LEDs in 1206 size |
| 21:28:44 | [IDC]Dragon | mine are "cold white" |
| 21:29:09 | BlueChip | ahhh - that would explain the blueness |
| 21:29:36 | [IDC]Dragon | BlueChip: yes, you have to cut a trace and route wires to hook up 2 in parallel instead of in series |
| 21:29:48 | amiconn | How did you wire them? Iirc white leds need a higher voltage before current flows |
| 21:29:49 | [IDC]Dragon | (per side, that is) |
| 21:30:15 | amiconn | Oops, ok |
| 21:30:19 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: therefore 2 in parallel instead of in series |
| 21:31:08 | amiconn | I will have to open my box anyway, seems that it developed that broken battery contact problem (although in an unusual fashion) |
| 21:31:55 | [IDC]Dragon | for the LED mod, you only need to take off the faceplate and the battery covers |
| 21:32:14 | [IDC]Dragon | no bumper squezzing necessary |
| 21:32:21 | BlueChip | pfavr: what did you make of my "context" comment? |
| 21:33:02 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I still don't get why the jpeg viewer does not react correctly to usb insertion |
| 21:33:40 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe because of that key buffer drain? |
| 21:34:24 | amiconn | Hmm, I already took this out of the loop within scroll_bmp() |
| 21:34:29 | BlueChip | i can think of a number of uses for a button_empty_buffer() |
| 21:35:16 | BlueChip | what I have been considering (particularly for games plugins) is a button_inkey() which will simply retun what is being pressed at the moment it is called - not looked into it yet though |
| 21:36:12 | [IDC]Dragon | this kind of functio exists - we only need to export it |
| 21:36:59 | [IDC]Dragon | button_read() |
| 21:37:10 | BlueChip | ah - kewl! :) |
| 21:38:33 | BlueChip | midk was struggling against the keyboard buffer with his breakout game - although I understand he has put that on hold now |
| 21:38:47 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I'm not properly checking the return value of scroll_bmp() |
| 21:39:18 | amiconn | Hmm. I've looked into this, but I don't get the problem!? |
| 21:39:30 | [IDC]Dragon | legacy - this once was within main() before it became a separate function |
| 21:39:43 | | Quit uski ("Fermeture du client") |
| 21:40:06 | [IDC]Dragon | there's a while-loop around the scroll_bmp() call |
| 21:40:25 | amiconn | I've seen that |
| 21:40:39 | pfavr | BlueChip, taking a look at it now |
| 21:40:40 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm - how does it end? |
| 21:40:52 | amiconn | This is to avoid re-drawing if you cannot zoom in or out an y further |
| 21:41:22 | amiconn | It ends with break if none of the "if"s do a continue before |
| 21:41:36 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, thanks for reminding me ;-) |
| 21:42:46 | pfavr | BlueChip, you didn't write anything on the wiki, did you? (in that case I think you didn't press save) |
| 21:43:15 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: But you are right - you aren't checking properly |
| 21:43:50 | BlueChip | pfavr: sorry, i didn;t have any fixed ideas, just thoughts - I will chat that way instead :) |
| 21:44:11 | amiconn | scroll_bmp returns PLUGIN_USB_CONNECTED if usb is connected, but you check against SYS_USB_CONNECTED after the main do..while loop |
| 21:44:24 | pfavr | BlueChip, context menu defined by rockbox: yes. If the user customizable menus should be "merged" inside the context menu (e.g. sitting at the bottom of the context menu you could reach it instantly by UP + play) |
| 21:44:36 | pfavr | BlueChip, ok no problem |
| 21:44:48 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon, LinusN: There is a problem in the ata init code for flashed recorders. |
| 21:45:17 | [IDC]Dragon | uh, oh |
| 21:45:39 | elinenbe | there is a problem if I plug in my recorder to the USB and then turn it on.... it locks up my computer until I unplug it −− this is a new development. |
| 21:45:42 | pfavr | BlueChip, but let's say the context menu _is_ provided by rockbox - but at the same time being user customizable throuh a config file... |
| 21:45:50 | [IDC]Dragon | don't tell me we need to wait for nonexistant slave disks |
| 21:46:10 | [IDC]Dragon | elinenbe: how "new"? |
| 21:46:12 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon, LinusN: If "Dsik Poweroff" is set to Yes and you boot the recoreder with usb plugged in, rockbox will hang. |
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| 21:46:20 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: well at least the last few weeks. |
| 21:46:25 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: I am not sure though. |
| 21:46:29 | elinenbe | beyond that. |
| 21:47:00 | [IDC]Dragon | we didn't touch that since shortly after 2.2 |
| 21:47:28 | BlueChip | pfavr: from a support point of view, i think this will make life difficult |
| 21:48:05 | HenrikB | elinenbe: If you set "Disk Poweroff" to no the problem will go away. |
| 21:48:07 | BlueChip | hye scott |
| 21:48:17 | pfavr | BlueChip, maybe - or maybe the users requiring support would not be clever enough to start and modify the default menu config file |
| 21:48:25 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: jpeg viewer now reacts correctly to usb. May I commit my changes? |
| 21:48:36 | [IDC]Dragon | sure |
| 21:48:59 | [IDC]Dragon | no point in me doing it again |
| 21:49:16 | [IDC]Dragon | this is open source |
| 21:49:31 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:49:54 | BlueChip | pfavr: so if I want sleep-timer, I just add it to all 10-or-so custom menus? |
| 21:50:19 | BlueChip | s/custom/context/ |
| 21:51:05 | pfavr | BlueChip, no, the sleep timer would probably be there already in the Track screen (WPS) - but let's say you want it accessible from the context menu in the playlist screen - then you would add it there... |
| 21:52:08 | BlueChip | pfavr: where would something like Disk Spin Down be? |
| 21:52:40 | | Nick BlueChip is now known as BC|BRB (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:52:47 | pfavr | I think there would still be a "System menu" but it would be a bit more difficult to get to, e.g. requiring two keys, or holding down a key... |
| 21:54:03 | [IDC]Dragon | HenrikB; I've just tried disk poweroff |
| 21:54:55 | [IDC]Dragon | I plug it, switch it on, disk spins up, but shortly after gets shutdown "hard" |
| 21:55:07 | [IDC]Dragon | probably by the Rockbox code |
| 21:55:11 | BC|BRB | pfavr: is that page a full outline of where your thoughts are atm? |
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| 21:55:21 | [IDC]Dragon | access to the drive from the PC fails |
| 21:55:41 | [IDC]Dragon | when removed again, Rockbox hangs with the USB logo. |
| 21:55:48 | [IDC]Dragon | Is that it? |
| 21:56:20 | pfavr | BlueChip, yes! |
| 21:56:31 | BlueChip | I will read it in full now then |
| 21:56:38 | pfavr | Somebody wrote: I like the idea of f1=rocbox menu; f2=custom menu; f3=context menu |
| 21:56:50 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon: Exactly. |
| 21:56:50 | BlueChip | think that was me |
| 21:57:16 | [IDC]Dragon | HenrikB: so I think the shutdown is still active in USB mode |
| 21:57:31 | BlueChip | pfavr: can you give me the link to the front page again please |
| 21:57:32 | [IDC]Dragon | I doubt it has to do with flashing |
| 21:58:09 | pfavr | Ok, my comments is: if we don't use all the keys for choosing different menus - we spare keys for real accelerator keys - e.g. TOGGLE shuffle using F2 in the WPS... holding F2 will TOGGLE repeat |
| 21:58:33 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon: I think LinusN's ata.c fix from 2004-02-17 (version 106) is a prime suspect. |
| 21:58:56 | | Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) |
| 21:58:57 | pfavr | And these accelerator keys should be user assignable (maybe), or the user could choose between a fixed set. |
| 21:59:18 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon: I'll try version 105 of ata.c and see if the problem disapears. |
| 21:59:20 | pfavr | http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk (on my server in DK) |
| 21:59:25 | BlueChip | pfavr: I personally don't like invisible short-cuts - does anybody ever use f2+down to toggle lcd_invert (or whatever it is)? |
| 21:59:50 | BlueChip | ot: what is "wiki"? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:29 | pfavr | wiki: wverybody can edit and add pages without needing an account. Revision control "protects" against destruction |
| 22:00:30 | elinenbe | I don't think ANYONE uses the F3 shortcuts... |
| 22:00:47 | [IDC]Dragon | ata.c 1.105 is really old |
| 22:01:17 | BlueChip | elinenbe: care to comment why - i think becuase nobody can ever remember them and mutli-keys is awkward - but that is JUST *my* opinion |
| 22:01:53 | pfavr | I only use F2, LEFT for toggle the shuffle setting... And I don't understand why the "filetypes setting" should be accessible from the WPS. It is related to file browsing only |
| 22:02:00 | amiconn | Bagder: Why is there a "rb-fonts.zip" within fonts? |
| 22:02:14 | BlueChip | "ON" seems like a good Shift Key ...as it clearly has no other use |
| 22:02:29 | Zagor | BlueChip: you don't have to remember them. a screen shows all options when you press the F key |
| 22:02:41 | pfavr | BlueChip, maybe ON could have some use for switching betwen screens |
| 22:03:00 | BlueChip | Zagor: yes, but then we are back to F2/3 just being menu keys |
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| 22:03:19 | amiconn | Bagder: There are some bmps as well... |
| 22:03:20 | BlueChip | Zagor: that is how I use them |
| 22:03:24 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon: Yes, but som ata_power_on code was changed there |
| 22:04:00 | pfavr | BlueChip, if the F2 key just toggles the shuffle setting - you would have visual feedback on the WPS |
| 22:04:50 | pfavr | BlueChip, the user would just try it and see the change... But of course the setting is available through the context menu as well. And maybe the option to assign something else to F2 |
| 22:04:57 | BlueChip | pfavr: but then I have to remember f2 for shuffle, f3 for follow-playlist. on+up pitch shift, on+right ....etc |
| 22:05:08 | Bagder | amiconn: because I imported far too many files |
| 22:05:16 | amiconn | Oops |
| 22:05:20 | Bagder | I'll remove em |
| 22:05:21 | pfavr | BlueChip, but don't you already remember the mostly used things? |
| 22:05:23 | amiconn | ;-) |
| 22:05:37 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon: BTW 105 should be ok, 106 should introduce the problem if I'm right about this. |
| 22:05:44 | pfavr | BlueChip, making it consistent throughout would make it much easier remembering |
| 22:05:51 | BlueChip | pfavr: no, i stab at f2 and f3 until I find what I want |
| 22:06:16 | Zagor | bah, of course i forgot to remove the reset :) |
| 22:06:22 | pfavr | BlueChip, didn't understand the last comment? |
| 22:06:52 | BlueChip | pfavr: example, i have no idea where shuffle is, but i recall it being on one of the f2/f3 menus |
| 22:07:24 | pfavr | In my opinion a setting like "WPS->F3 Upside down" should go into a well-hidden system menu. |
| 22:08:09 | BlueChip | pfavr: all very good unless it is a feature you use ...example, I use upside in the car, but right way up when I get to work |
| 22:09:03 | elinenbe | I think a GREAT patch to commit would be the "configure play action" patch |
| 22:09:09 | pfavr | BlueChip, So let's say you just hit F2 and then notice the symbol for shuffle toggling - maybe even a small overlay appears while pushing the button. Even though this wasn't what you intended to do there will be no damage whatsoever. And pushing it again will toggle it again bringing you back to where you were before. |
| 22:09:16 | elinenbe | where you can set play to be insert/enqueue/etc... |
| 22:09:35 | pfavr | BlueChip, in the car: maybe you should load a different config file containing just this setting? |
| 22:09:53 | pfavr | BlueChip, (and this should be made easy as well) |
| 22:10:09 | BlueChip | pf: car: personally I do, but I can see others want to do things differently |
| 22:10:34 | pfavr | BlueChip, that's the reason for having the context menues configurable:-) |
| 22:11:00 | [IDC]Dragon | can somebody please poke Linus? (for the ata issue) |
| 22:11:40 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: /slap LinusN |
| 22:11:50 | [IDC]Dragon | with a trout? |
| 22:11:52 | BlueChip | pfavr: given shuffle as the example: I suggest that particular feature would be in context menu for browse & wps/track ...you could also add it to your custom menu, so you could set it from anywhere |
| 22:12:29 | LinusN | amiconn: ouch! |
| 22:12:40 | pfavr | BlueChip, I'm still a bit confused. But I think that looking at the functions there really isn't that many (if we split them according to the Screens I'm proposing) |
| 22:12:50 | elinenbe | what is the benefit of that last commit? Hendrick's code? |
| 22:12:59 | amiconn | LinusN: I meant [IDC]Dragon should do it (for the ata issue) |
| 22:13:00 | elinenbe | Henrik's code? |
| 22:13:20 | BlueChip | pfavr: yeah, i'm trying to keep up with all the chat and read your page at the same time |
| 22:13:22 | Bagder | elinenbe: viewing files with plugins stuff |
| 22:13:26 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: how is this supposed to be, with the disk sleep in USB mode? |
| 22:13:48 | Zagor | rockbox should never speak to the disk in usb mode |
| 22:13:52 | elinenbe | Bagder: how does it improve the current situation? |
| 22:13:54 | pfavr | BlueChip, and for everyday use I really prefer one keypress instead of three! |
| 22:14:03 | LinusN | we enable ATA_STANDBY before entering USB mode |
| 22:14:03 | Zagor | ...and obviously not cut its' power either! |
| 22:14:10 | amiconn | Bagder: As it comes to viewer plugins - any idea for separating them from standalone plugins? |
| 22:14:10 | Bagder | elinenbe: it makes plugins less hardcoded for specific extensions |
| 22:14:14 | [IDC]Dragon | but the ata thread keeps going |
| 22:14:30 | pfavr | BlueChip, please change/comment on the wiki if you feel like it... |
| 22:14:51 | BlueChip | pfavr: I suppose a lot of this works on the reasoning that no new ideas will be added |
| 22:14:56 | BlueChip | (in the future) |
| 22:15:07 | [IDC]Dragon | (getting crowded here) |
| 22:15:11 | Bagder | amiconn: you mean in the source or in the archos? |
| 22:15:23 | amiconn | In the Archos |
| 22:15:42 | Bagder | the viewers should be in a viewers dir |
| 22:15:55 | amiconn | If you go to "view plugins" there is now a really long list.. |
| 22:16:08 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: the ata thread waits until USB disconnect |
| 22:16:34 | pfavr | BlueChip, not really, it is more about having "user task oriented screens with context sensitive menus". And as long as the number of items in a menu is small to fit on the screen - then don't add another menu! |
| 22:17:10 | Bagder | amiconn: it'll be taken care of :-) |
| 22:17:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor, LinusN: poweroff_timeout is initialized to 2 secs (=enabled), so if no setting overrides it, maybe this kicks in? |
| 22:17:24 | BlueChip | pfavr: If you don't mind - I will comment on one thing at a time ...I'm starting to get a bit confused in honesty and I dont want to add to that confusion... |
| 22:17:25 | limbus | amiconn, Bagder: why not sort viewers, games, demos and so on either in different menu-trees by a plugin-property or otherwise by subdirs ? |
| 22:17:58 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: no. the loop stops in usb_wait_for_disconnect(). it can't get around to check the timeout. |
| 22:18:01 | pfavr | BlueChip, (but I'm not feeling very strongly about not having a custom menu also - it is just a waste if there is only one item in it. Well, maybe this is the answer - if you only have a single item in your custom menu and it is a TOGGLE function then hitting the F key will just toggle the function... |
| 22:18:14 | BlueChip | pfavr: track: hold-play==stop :( off=stop :) ? |
| 22:19:08 | pfavr | BlueChip, I was thinking this: why have a STOP function at all? Except for a shortcut for PAUSE and return to beginning of track? |
| 22:19:51 | pfavr | And I would like to use OFF for something else throughout the system: exit menu in _one_ go and return to the screen. |
| 22:20:23 | BlueChip | pfavr: for me OFF should go back up one level ...from Track this is logically the browser |
| 22:21:25 | pfavr | BlueChip, (really appreciate you comments btw :-) I think LEFT is used for browsing menus/dirs/whatever and this should be used consistently |
| 22:21:44 | elinenbe | Bagder: "amiconn: it'll be taken care of :-)" Do you have something up your sleeve? |
| 22:22:02 | pfavr | so making OFF like pushing LEFT a number of times makes sense I think |
| 22:23:46 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: it doesn't seem to be the 2 secs, that was coincidence. |
| 22:23:55 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon: I was wrong, the ata.c 106 code did not cause this problem. My apologies Linus |
| 22:24:13 | [IDC]Dragon | but it looks like the disk power gets cut when I first access it |
| 22:24:34 | [IDC]Dragon | HenrikB: is it ok or not with 106? |
| 22:24:39 | [IDC]Dragon | 105 |
| 22:25:18 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon: It still freezes with the 105 |
| 22:25:23 | BlueChip | pfavr: (your welcome dude - contrary to certain traits I am infamous for, I am always TRYing to help ;) ) ...i agree that LEFT should move up one menu, or up one dir ...OFF in Track seems very logical to be "stop" ...in a dir OFF may move to root? ...in a menu, the menu-key (eg F1) should exit the menu? |
| 22:26:21 | scott666 | wow, busy here today |
| 22:26:54 | [IDC]Dragon | so this is an old bug, nobody noticed... |
| 22:27:05 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: seems like it |
| 22:27:43 | [IDC]Dragon | we must have done something with the disk so it powers down on access |
| 22:28:09 | [IDC]Dragon | or somehow the ata thread is more alive than we like it to |
| 22:33:15 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: how can i repeat this? |
| 22:33:40 | [IDC]Dragon | with a recorder, disk poweroff set to yes |
| 22:34:05 | [IDC]Dragon | plug it while off, then power on |
| 22:34:31 | LinusN | then what? |
| 22:34:39 | HenrikB | LinusN: ... and running rockbox flashed |
| 22:34:43 | [IDC]Dragon | comes up normally, but when I access the disk, it shuts off |
| 22:34:59 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno if flashing is essential |
| 22:35:02 | Zagor | spooky |
| 22:35:30 | LinusN | works for me |
| 22:35:50 | [IDC]Dragon | when removing it _somehow_ (PC may be stuck with it), Rockbox still shows USB screen |
| 22:36:28 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: flashed old-style recorder? |
| 22:40:13 | LinusN | i can repeat it now |
| 22:40:25 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I do also get that behaviour... |
| 22:40:50 | [IDC]Dragon | so far everybody then |
| 22:41:17 | | Quit edx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 22:41:21 | amiconn | This does not occur with "disk poweroff" set to no |
| 22:43:52 | Zagor | must be a hardware problem... ;*) |
| 22:45:55 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: An additional observation: if this occurs, and Rockbox hangs at the usb screen after pulling it out, wait 30 secs. Then an "ata error -71" shows up |
| 22:46:45 | HenrikB | [IDC]Dragon: same for me, ata error -71 |
| 22:48:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I must have been too inpatient |
| 22:50:01 | [IDC]Dragon | set_multiple_mode() failed the first wait_for_rdy() |
| 22:50:10 | elinenbe | how about this for archos: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/340/34089.html |
| 22:50:15 | elinenbe | it even comes with source :) |
| 22:50:26 | [IDC]Dragon | (probably just the first thing to happen on the powered-down disk) |
| 22:51:47 | [IDC]Dragon | elinenbe: how big is a TI-89 screen? |
| 22:52:31 | BlueChip | should I mention the size of a ZX81 screen running in "graphics mode"?? |
| 22:53:15 | [IDC]Dragon | just found: 160*100 |
| 22:53:18 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: hmmm... not sure. |
| 22:53:28 | elinenbe | how big is the Rockbox screen? |
| 22:53:34 | Zagor | elinenbe: 112x64 |
| 22:53:40 | elinenbe | I think games written for the ti-85 would work great on the Archos. |
| 22:53:46 | elinenbe | that screen is smaller.... |
| 22:53:47 | amiconn | BlueChip: LOL - 64x44. I know this one |
| 22:54:11 | BlueChip | Mazogs anyone? |
| 22:54:16 | elinenbe | and there is a huge source of games and code for that... |
| 22:54:57 | BlueChip | but text mode is a problem |
| 22:56:47 | limbus | Zagor: thanks for idle-poweroff set to 10 by default. it's one of the most important settings that get's lost with new firmware everytime. I just noticed my rockbox drained the batteries all day :-( |
| 22:57:48 | Zagor | limbus: yeah, 0 was a really silly default setting... |
| 22:58:07 | scott666 | can i get a response about my V2 battery faq being added to the site? |
| 22:58:26 | | Quit Ka__ ("Leaving") |
| 22:58:31 | limbus | I barely learned to check/reset the battery capacity to 2300 mAh |
| 22:58:45 | Zagor | scott666: i'll fix it |
| 23:00 |
| 23:02:32 | scott666 | 'fix' it? |
| 23:02:47 | Zagor | add it |
| 23:02:52 | scott666 | ok |
| 23:03:06 | Zagor | is the latest in your mail to the list today? |
| 23:03:15 | scott666 | yeah |
| 23:07:11 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: why gray_release_buffer() on USB connect in scroll_bmp()? |
| 23:07:49 | [IDC]Dragon | that's done by the caller, shoudn't be the responsibility here |
| 23:07:49 | BlueChip | pfavr: I had thought that the best way to add custom menu items was to press the custom-menu button on an option while you are in the main menu |
| 23:08:16 | amiconn | Huh? I _removed_ it, for that very reason!? |
| 23:08:28 | BlueChip | pfavr: or maybe the context menu for a menu item would be "add to custom menu" |
| 23:08:47 | pfavr | BlueChip, not sure it should be possible to _change_ the custom menus using rockbox. Maybe you need a text editor for that? |
| 23:08:55 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: oops, sorry |
| 23:09:02 | BlueChip | pfavr: why not? |
| 23:09:17 | pfavr | BlueChip, although I would like everything to be doable from rockbox as well |
| 23:09:18 | [IDC]Dragon | the diff windows were the other way round |
| 23:09:52 | pfavr | BlueChip, complexity - code size mainly - I'm told there is not much to work with:-) |
| 23:10:26 | pfavr | BlueChip, take a look at this page: http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?RecentChanges |
| 23:10:58 | pfavr | BlueChip, but it could go on a wish list for the custom menus ... |
| 23:11:39 | pfavr | BlueChip, are you editing the front page? |
| 23:11:43 | BlueChip | going screen blind - gotta go stare at something else for 5 mins - brb |
| 23:12:02 | BlueChip | pfavr: not sure - am I editing the wrong thing -urgh! sorry! |
| 23:12:14 | pfavr | BlueChip, nono it was just to coordinate |
| 23:12:28 | pfavr | I'm just adding something to the front page - no problem |
| 23:13:01 | Zagor | scott666: added |
| 23:13:02 | pfavr | BlueChip, If we're working on the wiki simultaneously - we might experience "save conflicts". It just means that the last guy saving will be presented with 2 editboxes and is forced to (if he wants to keep his changes) to merge his changes from the bottom editbox and into the upper editbox. It is not really a problem (when you're not scared to try it) - but otherwise we need to coordinate what pages we're editing. |
| 23:17:20 | Bagder | scott666: nice work on the faq! |
| 23:19:55 | scott666 | Bagder: thanks! |
| 23:22:07 | scott666 | should the name of the old one be changed? |
| 23:22:30 | | Quit uski ("Fermeture du client") |
| 23:22:37 | amiconn | Bagder: I wonder about the number of changes that is listed for each daily build tomorrow morning ;-) |
| 23:22:49 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:22:54 | Bagder | it'll be a bunch |
| 23:23:08 | Bagder | and the daily build might not even build :-) |
| 23:23:27 | Bagder | we've now changed to using the new "make zip" |
| 23:24:06 | | Join Ralle[DK] [0] (~Ralle@129.142.195.95.ip.tele2adsl.dk) |
| 23:24:12 | Ralle[DK] | can any1 help me? |
| 23:24:14 | amiconn | And tested it, I'd think? I guess the number will have 3 digits |
| 23:24:30 | Ralle[DK] | I REALLY need help pleeeease |
| 23:24:34 | scott666 | Ralle[DK]: with what? |
| 23:24:35 | Bagder | Ralle[DK]: ask away |
| 23:25:02 | Bagder | amiconn: I think everything was added bugfree :-P |
| 23:25:06 | Ralle[DK] | its because... when i open some rock it all the time says: imcompatible version and i cant flash it because it say that |
| 23:25:31 | Zagor | faq .... #32, isn't it? |
| 23:25:35 | scott666 | yes |
| 23:25:42 | Ralle[DK] | ehh? |
| 23:25:44 | Ralle[DK] | sorry |
| 23:25:46 | Ralle[DK] | sorry? |
| 23:25:53 | Zagor | ah, no too low :) |
| 23:25:58 | scott666 | i answered that question on the mailing list a minute ago |
| 23:26:07 | Ralle[DK] | and that is? |
| 23:26:15 | Bagder | rolo first, then ucl |
| 23:26:19 | Ralle[DK] | ok |
| 23:26:23 | Ralle[DK] | wiat what? |
| 23:26:25 | Ralle[DK] | rolo? |
| 23:26:26 | scott666 | rolo: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#32 |
| 23:26:38 | Zagor | run the ajbrec.ajz file first, then the .ucl |
| 23:27:17 | Ralle[DK] | that is new right? |
| 23:27:37 | Ralle[DK] | it is new that you have to do that right? |
| 23:27:39 | Bagder | no, that's needed every time the plugin api changed |
| 23:27:46 | Ralle[DK] | hmm |
| 23:27:50 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: it's definitely the ata thread moving, while plugged. I just attaced a led(true) to the ide_power_enable(false). |
| 23:27:51 | Bagder | which happens from time to time |
| 23:27:58 | Ralle[DK] | dont understand but i will try |
| 23:28:05 | scott666 | i believe thats been in the battery faq since the beginning |
| 23:28:43 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: and the LED goes on that moment the HD powers down, on that access while plugged |
| 23:28:55 | Ralle[DK] | ahh now it works.. thanks m8s |
| 23:29:26 | Ralle[DK] | i think its so cool that there is a IRC site only for the archos |
| 23:29:30 | Ralle[DK] | cya |
| 23:29:32 | | Quit Ralle[DK] (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- irc client ownage!") |
| 23:29:43 | Bagder | irc *site*? :-) |
| 23:29:57 | scott666 | lol, thats what i was thinking |
| 23:30:17 | Bagder | rockbox - your favourite irc site! :-P |
| 23:30:45 | scott666 | why is the NODO doc in the advanced users section? |
| 23:31:15 | scott666 | the feature chart too |
| 23:32:43 | BlueChip | back - need to get less white on this monitor |
| 23:33:14 | limbus | BlueChip: or just better one ? |
| 23:33:18 | | Nick mattzz|away is now known as mattzz (~mattzz@b107214.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 23:33:33 | BlueChip | scott666: I'm still confused why the downloads are under "documentation for advanced users" |
| 23:34:06 | scott666 | yeah, that too |
| 23:34:11 | BlueChip | limbus: maybe, but my decent monitor is only 15" so I slipped that to my gf and use a freebie 17" |
| 23:34:36 | mattzz | pfavr: do you use the wiki for rockbox stuff only? |
| 23:35:19 | pfavr | Well, no - it is a "wiki hosting for free" service that I run... |
| 23:35:31 | BlueChip | pfavr: where were we? |
| 23:35:43 | mattzz | pfavr: I do kind of the same :-) |
| 23:35:55 | pfavr | mattzz, you just type mattzz.gratiswiki.dk">http://mattzz.gratiswiki.dk in a browser to create a new wiki... |
| 23:36:44 | pfavr | BlueChip, I just added some hints on how to navigate the wiki and did a little "wiki" markup to you contribution http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?Custom_Menus |
| 23:36:45 | mattzz | pfavr: nice! I better stay with my one at mattzz.dyndns.org">http://mattzz.dyndns.org |
| 23:37:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: Could it happen that other events than SYS_USB_CONNECTED and Q_SLEEP get in the ata queue? That would make it wake up. |
| 23:37:58 | pfavr | mattzz, yours are much nicer looking - heh it is Twiki I have a couple of those too :-) |
| 23:38:41 | amiconn | How is that filetype association thingy supposed to work? |
| 23:38:46 | pfavr | mattzz, gratiswiki is a modified usemodwiki.pl - and I kind of like it because of its simplicity |
| 23:38:51 | mattzz | pfavr: Thanks. Currently I am setting up a CSS/XHTML based skin that will look much nicer |
| 23:39:33 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: there was a posting thread about it |
| 23:39:35 | amiconn | I've moved all viewer style plugins to /.rockbox/viewers, and can open files with on+play -> "open with" |
| 23:39:47 | Bagder | amiconn: its controlled by a config file |
| 23:39:52 | pfavr | mattzz, haven't seen you in #twiki I think? |
| 23:39:57 | Bagder | or by naming the viewer "correctly" |
| 23:40:01 | mattzz | pfavr: I played around with usemodwiki.pl the other day. It does a nice job but is very basic though |
| 23:40:16 | Bagder | we should write a doc about it |
| 23:40:20 | * | amiconn searches the mail archive |
| 23:40:21 | mattzz | pfavr: I have been there twice the last weeks |
| 23:40:27 | scott666 | can feature request 622395 be closed now? |
| 23:40:37 | mattzz | pfavr: but never before |
| 23:41:04 | scott666 | '.jpeg viewer' |
| 23:41:30 | Zagor | amiconn: you have two options: |
| 23:41:43 | Zagor | #1 edit .rockbox/viewers.config |
| 23:42:04 | pfavr | BlueChip, still here? want to discuss some more UI? |
| 23:42:08 | Zagor | #2 put a plugin called <extension>-<name>.rock in .rockbox/viewers |
| 23:42:13 | limbus | BlueChip: Working daily on a screen and not yet a TFT ? |
| 23:42:13 | mattzz | pfavr: I thought about offering wiki-space for rockbox development to the rockbox-crew |
| 23:42:34 | BlueChip | pfavr: fer sure |
| 23:43:13 | BlueChip | limbus: yeah, still on that good ole phosphor radiation :) |
| 23:43:36 | BlueChip | limbus: unless you're offering to buy me a nice TFT? |
| 23:43:57 | scott666 | phosphor radiation pwns |
| 23:44:33 | BlueChip | i try to make up for it by not cooking my brain with a mobile microwave |
| 23:44:44 | BlueChip | sorry, microwave -> phone |
| 23:44:44 | limbus | BlueChip: don't forget I am still a trainee. but I have to admint that my employer takes care: 18" TFT |
| 23:44:47 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: i have located the ata bug |
| 23:45:29 | BlueChip | pfavr: so what's next? |
| 23:45:31 | [IDC]Dragon | ah? |
| 23:45:31 | amiconn | Zagor: Thanks, it works now. |
| 23:45:47 | [IDC]Dragon | Q_SLEEP? |
| 23:45:56 | LinusN | the usb monitoring starts before the ata thread is started |
| 23:46:06 | Zagor | mattzz: actually i'm working on setting up a wiki right now :-) |
| 23:46:16 | pfavr | BlueChip, well hmm I guess we need to figure out how to switch between screens |
| 23:47:12 | pfavr | and then describe all actions - modes whatever in detail |
| 23:47:22 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: with what consequence? |
| 23:48:11 | mattzz | Zagor: You can start right away on my server if you want to. But I guess you want to do that on a haxx machine |
| 23:48:27 | BlueChip | pfavr: screen switching ....hmmm okay, so a tree of what you can get to from where is in order? |
| 23:49:08 | Zagor | yes, I think it's more clearly "the official rockbox wiki" if it's located on the rockbox.haxx.se server. thank you for your offer, though. |
| 23:49:15 | BlueChip | pfavr: you mentioned console stlye screens - allowing you to suspent a plugin to select new music - that is probably the biggest consideration |
| 23:49:18 | pfavr | BlueChip, yes (and this is some of the things a TWiki with the drawing plugin could be really useful for) |
| 23:49:30 | mattzz | Zagor: what wiki are you going to use? |
| 23:49:32 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: the ata thread wasn't notified about the USB |
| 23:49:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:50:01 | LinusN | but rockbox entered USB mode anyway |
| 23:50:10 | BlueChip | pfavr: lol - you're keen - I would do it as a ir structure and use something like dir2html :) |
| 23:50:19 | BlueChip | s/ir/dir |
| 23:50:27 | amiconn | pfavr: Suspending a plugin to switch screens may be tricky for those plugins that do their own screen access (video/jpeg/grayscale atm) |
| 23:50:32 | [IDC]Dragon | why was the disk shutdown on the first access? |
| 23:50:34 | Zagor | mattzz: we've been using twiki at work for years, so that was my first thought. I looked a little at owiki too. |
| 23:51:13 | pfavr | BlueChip, then just write is in the wiki using indentation or e.g. bullets like this * base level, ** sub level, *** subsublevel |
| 23:51:21 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: it wasn't for me |
| 23:51:26 | LinusN | i think |
| 23:51:28 | BlueChip | pfavr: yes, for a global plugin system, it would need to be in the core code for screen handling routines |
| 23:51:57 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: OK, let me test |
| 23:52:02 | BlueChip | i think for plugins it might be better to have a lib system which plugins are required to implement |
| 23:52:21 | mattzz | Zagor: I think twiki is a nice one. ugly but powerful |
| 23:52:44 | Zagor | ugly can be fixed :) |
| 23:52:53 | | Quit Bagder ("Client Exiting") |
| 23:53:03 | BlueChip | try telling that to my gf |
| 23:53:05 | BlueChip | OUCH! |
| 23:53:11 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 23:54:18 | pfavr | you will only be able to "pause" a single plugin, e.g. leave this plugin suspended while doing other stuff and then returning to it later. If you don't have any plugins running it could be used for a "screensaver" which is just a special case of the plugins which don't handl any buttons. |
| 23:54:18 | mattzz | try girlfriend?skin=heidi_klum - might work |
| 23:54:41 | scott666 | yeah, just change her skin |
| 23:54:45 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 23:54:47 | scott666 | ...ed gein style |
| 23:54:48 | * | mattzz is losing track |
| 23:55:10 | BlueChip | pfavr: yes, obviously only one plugin at a time - I think that will have to stay like that |
| 23:55:40 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: yes, that seems to fix it |
| 23:56:12 | [IDC]Dragon | do you want to commit, or should I? |
| 23:56:24 | pfavr | The video output plugins will not be a showstopper regarding the plugin suspend (I'm told) as Rockbox uses cooporative multitasking. Those plugins will only be suspended at the point the call yield() |
| 23:56:50 | BlueChip | pfavr: okay - that makes sense |
| 23:57:03 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: i committed before i told you :-) |
| 23:57:06 | amiconn | pfavr: These plugins do their output with an interrupt routine (!) |
| 23:57:32 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: OK |
| 23:57:33 | BlueChip | pfavr: I think a top level code which calls only one "Screen" deep, to get to another screen you "return" with an instruction as to where to go next |
| 23:58:00 | pfavr | amiconn, you're right - there might be a problem (and maybe somebody will come up with a solution as well ;-) |
| 23:58:30 | BlueChip | would it be best to leave plugins as JUST A CONSIDERATION for the time being |
| 23:58:31 | BlueChip | ? |
| 23:58:49 | pfavr | I think some of this is 3.0 stuff... ? |
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