00:00:04 | Danny_from_fr | sorry for my bad english also |
00:00:06 | Danny_from_fr | ;) |
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00:02:18 | Danny_from_fr | so? |
00:02:57 | ajiuo | i dont have thaT DEVICE SORRY. somone elses may thgoh |
00:03:13 | Danny_from_fr | ok |
00:03:53 | ajiuo | lots of peopl in here just have to wate for somone to respond who know the awnser to your question |
00:04:07 | Danny_from_fr | thnx |
00:04:44 | kaboofa | yeah, we just bloody idle |
00:05:06 | kaboofa | Danny_from_fr: on rockbox red light is hard disk access |
00:05:14 | kaboofa | you can send messages to the mailing list, and get a quick reply. |
00:05:41 | Danny_from_fr | ok thank you |
00:05:44 | scott666 | also, the http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/ page has lots of good info |
00:06:52 | Danny_from_fr | I'll see |
00:12:17 | NHI | I see there is development on doing rockbox for the gmini, I just wonder if its likely that i will be done and just a matter of time or unsure |
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00:27:57 | scott666 | NHI: i believe its just a matter of time |
00:28:07 | scott666 | same thing for the AVx00s |
00:28:13 | ajiuo | my tiem or yours?? |
00:28:23 | ajiuo | j/k |
00:29:24 | NHI | well I read that rockbox will not be developed for the AVx00s |
00:29:36 | NHI | but someone started looking into the gmini |
00:29:45 | NHI | there something in the mail archive |
00:30:09 | NHI | but I also read archos might pursue legal action against that |
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12:38:56 | c0utta | are you on deck linus ? |
12:43:00 | LinusN | sort of |
12:44:39 | c0utta | i am currently converting on+play to the F3 menu |
12:44:56 | c0utta | i notice something strange and maybe there's a good reason for it |
12:45:44 | c0utta | if i have an mp3 playing, press On and go back to the tree i have all the playlist options |
12:45:53 | c0utta | when pressing on+play |
12:46:25 | c0utta | if there is no mp3 playing then it only shows Insert |
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12:48:35 | c0utta | check line 157 in onplay.c |
12:49:22 | LinusN | c0utta: some of the playlist options only apply if there is a current playlist |
12:52:00 | c0utta | therefore if( mpeg_status() & MPEG_STATUS_PLAY) then there is a current playlist |
12:52:02 | c0utta | ? |
12:54:28 | LinusN | yup |
12:55:33 | c0utta | thx |
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14:18:26 | limbus | hi pfavr, are you still working on new UI ? I had a small idea to improve file browser and playlist view |
14:18:54 | pfavr | hi limbus, yes - what is your idea? |
14:19:54 | limbus | best to see in the first screen on http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?Playlist it's annoying if files all start with the same artist string |
14:20:31 | limbus | there cuold be a sort of grouping: if all files have the same string before the first '-', drop it |
14:20:32 | pfavr | yes - you're right about that |
14:20:39 | limbus | s/cuold/could |
14:21:02 | pfavr | yes, I think this has been discussed before hasn't it? |
14:21:09 | limbus | ups, no idea |
14:21:36 | limbus | I havn't yet come out with that idea, and didn't find it in the wiki nor the patches or feature requests |
14:22:09 | pfavr | limbus, yes, I just think I heard somebody discussing it long ago - but I don't think it is written down anywhere - so now it is! |
14:22:25 | limbus | indeed. |
14:22:46 | pfavr | http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?Playlist |
14:22:50 | pfavr | (look again) |
14:23:27 | pfavr | you know you can edit the pages on the wiki too? just go ahead, your contribution is appreciated! |
14:23:37 | limbus | uhh, looks nice ;-) i'll try to fake a screenshot. |
14:24:06 | limbus | yes, I know about wikis, but just wanted to talk about one. not all of my ideas a worth to be written down somewhere |
14:25:08 | pfavr | ok, it is your decision - but a dead wiki is a bad wiki - it is really necessary that people use it and contribute |
14:25:29 | pfavr | and you shouldn't be afraid of destroying anything - just go ahead |
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14:42:35 | LinusN | limbus: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=629702 |
14:44:55 | LinusN | limbus: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=739088 |
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15:09:18 | pfavr | limbus, just added links to the feature requests to your comment on the wiki page:-) |
15:12:10 | limbus | argl. |
15:12:29 | limbus | I was just doing too, pfavr, bu I was looking for syntax-stuff. |
15:13:12 | pfavr | ok, sorry if I disturbed you doing the change... |
15:14:44 | limbus | no, no problem at all, your change looks so much nicer than my first tries with that wiki-language |
15:15:01 | pfavr | :-) |
15:15:30 | pfavr | It doesn't matter - just throw in something - then somebody will do the markup later for you:-) |
15:17:46 | * | limbus mental notes that |
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21:19:37 | BlueChip | evenin' all |
21:21:13 | mattzz | hi ho |
21:21:22 | BlueChip | anything new happening? |
21:21:51 | mattzz | not too much I guess |
21:21:58 | BlueChip | I used our Bank holiday to get my MDB geek mode up and running - that MAS can sure produce some good sound if you take time to tweak it :) |
21:22:19 | mattzz | mdb geek mode? |
21:22:29 | BlueChip | you know MDB? |
21:22:43 | mattzz | yup, and I am certainly a geek |
21:23:09 | BlueChip | my audio controls include a USER and "GEEK" mode configuration for this (and most other options) |
21:23:27 | mattzz | what did you tweak? |
21:23:44 | BlueChip | The Geek Mode for MDB is a full realtime spectral graph with FULL control over all parameters |
21:24:33 | mattzz | cool. Do you think it is possible to use these parameters to determine a main wave let's say of an instrument (i.e. tuning device)? |
21:24:57 | BlueChip | no sadly, this is the other way around :( |
21:25:12 | mattzz | If I put the device into recording mode, is it possible to access the encoder statistics? |
21:25:14 | BlueChip | and only controls frequencies up to about 350Hz max |
21:25:25 | BlueChip | hmmm, that's an interesting though |
21:25:26 | BlueChip | t |
21:25:38 | mattzz | I would like to examine a sound in the frequency domain. |
21:25:48 | BlueChip | your answers are all here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/mas3587f_2pd.pdf |
21:26:09 | BlueChip | I know the document reasonably well, so am happy to work with you |
21:26:15 | mattzz | I read the mas spec a little already, but the i2c access confuses me a bit. maybe I should have a look in your mas plugin |
21:26:20 | BlueChip | I would love a guitar tuner in my box |
21:26:47 | mattzz | I wondered if it would be possible to synthesize a sine wave in real time |
21:26:50 | BlueChip | all you need to know is read_reg/mem and write_reg/mem ...the primitives are already available |
21:27:24 | BlueChip | producing a sine wave is easy, the problem is encoding it yo MP3 so the MAS will DAC it |
21:27:33 | mattzz | is there a "recording without writing stuff to the SH" mode? |
21:27:47 | mattzz | I mean without writing an mp3 stream to the disk |
21:28:02 | BlueChip | you mean , record and fail to read stuff from the MAS? ;) |
21:28:11 | mattzz | something like that |
21:28:20 | mattzz | I am good in failing |
21:28:24 | BlueChip | lol |
21:28:38 | BlueChip | the point is, that the MAS does not send, the SH has to read |
21:29:12 | mattzz | and the mas would not stop in case of a buffer overrun or something like that, right? |
21:29:20 | BlueChip | I have written a patch to MAS control, Bagder said he would CVS it, but hasn't done so yet |
21:29:49 | BlueChip | I haven't looked at the specifics on the record, sorry |
21:29:57 | mattzz | submitting stuff takes a looong way through qualitiy control I guess |
21:30:27 | BlueChip | no qc issues on this patch, it's either yay or nay, and Bagder has already "yay"'ed it |
21:31:02 | mattzz | I always find huge delays a bit frustrating (or am I not patient enough?) |
21:31:44 | BlueChip | No, not patience, I'm with you on that, but our leader(s) has only so much time I guess |
21:31:57 | mattzz | right, I see. |
21:32:33 | BlueChip | anyway, the MAS patch is simple enough, then read and write to registers according to that doc :) |
21:34:23 | mattzz | hm, I cant find any registers that would match my needs |
21:35:15 | BlueChip | I can only see the option of: sample the input, decode it to pcm data, run a fourier on it, pick out the dominant frequency |
21:35:30 | BlueChip | and I don't know we have the speed for that |
21:35:46 | mattzz | Tuning will take ages that way |
21:35:57 | BlueChip | the other option is play the tones you need |
21:36:26 | mattzz | thing is: the mas _does_ all the maths we need. we simply cant access the data. |
21:36:53 | BlueChip | sadly we need the programmers manual for the MAS |
21:36:59 | mattzz | playing samples is the other option. looping frames of a guitar sound e.g. |
21:37:25 | BlueChip | I made a couple of powerful enemies to get only CLOSE to the information we need |
21:37:37 | mattzz | playing sine waves is not geeky enough |
21:37:40 | mattzz | did you? |
21:37:48 | BlueChip | i did |
21:38:10 | mattzz | they do offer downloadable code though |
21:38:38 | BlueChip | we have the wav codec, but it needs a hardware mod to work |
21:39:28 | mattzz | is the parallel interface connected to the SH chip in the jbr? |
21:39:39 | mattzz | or is it just the serial if |
21:40:04 | BlueChip | errrrrr, bangs head in hope of dislodging the information from storage.... |
21:40:27 | * | mattzz looks into the schematics |
21:40:35 | BlueChip | No, it isn't |
21:40:49 | BlueChip | cos we could not play 44.1/16 due to that fact |
21:41:10 | BlueChip | <phew> ...brain still works - lol |
21:41:18 | mattzz | close enough |
21:41:26 | BlueChip | am i wrong? |
21:41:36 | mattzz | no I guess not |
21:41:46 | BlueChip | lol |
21:42:05 | BlueChip | there seems some tang of doubt in your (inferred) tone |
21:42:17 | mattzz | naaaah. |
21:42:22 | BlueChip | :P |
21:43:58 | mattzz | hm, I think recording is done via the parallel port |
21:46:24 | * | mattzz tries to understand the schematics |
21:48:41 | * | Kaboofa sets the schematics on fire |
21:48:41 | Kaboofa | mmm |
21:49:26 | mattzz | but it doesnt matter anyway. I guess tuning via direct register access of the MAS will stay a dream... |
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21:50:32 | BlueChip | I suppose it all depends on how badly you actually want it? |
21:50:56 | mattzz | tuning? |
21:51:08 | BlueChip | any feature I suppose |
21:51:29 | BlueChip | we have everything required to do it at a physical level |
21:52:05 | BlueChip | Everything else is just information - and worst case that comes attached to a £ symbol |
21:53:27 | mattzz | I will start with a looped frame of pre-recorded sounds I guess. |
21:53:55 | mattzz | brb |
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22:07:05 | mattzz | now I see, the MAS parallel port is output only |
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22:18:09 | mattzz | hi ho! |
22:18:22 | [IDC]Dragon | hi, long no "see" |
22:18:53 | mattzz | lots of work, lots of diving ;-) |
22:19:11 | [IDC]Dragon | diving into vhdl? |
22:19:43 | mattzz | red sea, baltic sea - and, frankly, I prefer verilog |
22:19:53 | [IDC]Dragon | bah |
22:20:11 | BlueChip | evenin' [IDC]Dragon |
22:20:21 | [IDC]Dragon | saw your discussion about a guitar tuner |
22:20:33 | [IDC]Dragon | hi BC |
22:20:40 | mattzz | with a good partitioning and a good design style you can use a bad hdl system ;-) |
22:20:49 | BlueChip | hey, [IDC]Dragon, any chance you can commit the MAS patch please - it was cleared by Bagder also :) |
22:20:53 | mattzz | curious about your ideas! |
22:21:07 | [IDC]Dragon | BlueChip: dunno that patch |
22:21:29 | BlueChip | just the rest of the MAS register commands |
22:21:36 | BlueChip | ...for the plugin API |
22:21:51 | [IDC]Dragon | mattzz: fool's solution: prepare your sine waves as mp3 files ;-) |
22:22:58 | mattzz | sine waves are so _not_ cool |
22:23:33 | [IDC]Dragon | advanced solution: extend the recording code such that we can record to memory (like I did for playback), then parse the mp3 data |
22:24:28 | [IDC]Dragon | the RAM recording was in discussion, but out of laziness I dropped that |
22:25:00 | mattzz | detecting the keynote should not take longer than a second |
22:25:33 | BlueChip | record is straight to disk!!!??? WOW |
22:25:47 | [IDC]Dragon | before changing the recording code, a proof of concept would be in order |
22:26:12 | [IDC]Dragon | like a PC program that takes an mp3 file and dissects it |
22:26:27 | mattzz | I agree |
22:27:12 | [IDC]Dragon | then you get an idea of how reliable and complex that is |
22:27:22 | mattzz | I had a look into the according mpeg specs already.... |
22:27:34 | mattzz | mp3 is more complex than I thought |
22:27:34 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm no expert in that |
22:27:45 | [IDC]Dragon | we can turn off some features |
22:27:58 | [IDC]Dragon | disable bit reservoir |
22:28:13 | mattzz | layer II is still complex. and accuracy might be a problem again. |
22:28:54 | [IDC]Dragon | we can only record layer 3 |
22:29:31 | mattzz | argh, right. I mixed it up with my former idea to synthesize an mp2 file on the fly. |
22:29:49 | mattzz | (which is even worse than parsing...) |
22:30:13 | BlueChip | sure we can handle 2.5 can't we? |
22:30:29 | mattzz | I will try an app with sine waves and pre-recorded guitar samples in a second shot. |
22:30:48 | mattzz | sine waves are uncool but can be looped easily |
22:30:56 | mattzz | I guess |
22:31:02 | [IDC]Dragon | but mp3 frames can't... |
22:31:42 | [IDC]Dragon | well, they can, but have a fixed duration which may not match your seams |
22:31:47 | mattzz | cant handle 2.5 or cant be looped? |
22:32:31 | [IDC]Dragon | BlueChip: 2.5 is the level, basically the sample rate. |
22:32:56 | [IDC]Dragon | it's stiill layer 3 |
22:33:33 | [IDC]Dragon | (don't confuse my brittle knowledge) |
22:33:53 | BlueChip | lol - sorry |
22:34:01 | BlueChip | not deliberate ;) |
22:36:34 | [IDC]Dragon | BlueChip: about yor MAS fuctions: I personally don't like such low-level stuff at the plugin API |
22:36:55 | [IDC]Dragon | it should be an application interface |
22:37:11 | BlueChip | ok - whatever |
22:37:29 | [IDC]Dragon | but sins have been done, we already have that read MAS function |
22:37:34 | BlueChip | Nice way to ensure that nobody can use the new Audio Configuration plugin |
22:37:58 | BlueChip | I'll just supply a special buid |
22:38:03 | [IDC]Dragon | that wasn't my point |
22:38:14 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't want to prevent that |
22:38:32 | BlueChip | but sadly it is the result - if a plugin cannot tweak the DAC then it cannot work |
22:38:59 | [IDC]Dragon | can you think about a higher level interface? |
22:40:00 | BlueChip | including for the one which is already there? |
22:40:10 | [IDC]Dragon | possibly |
22:40:22 | [IDC]Dragon | (would be nice) |
22:40:49 | BlueChip | I'll let one of the core dudes do the core work - my CVS requireable code has never been accepted even after it has been approved |
22:41:28 | [IDC]Dragon | sniff |
22:42:16 | BlueChip | oh well, special build it is then - means I can do all the extra cool stuff as well :) |
22:42:29 | [IDC]Dragon | like what? |
22:42:43 | BlueChip | gui |
22:42:59 | BlueChip | is one I have a dream of |
22:43:13 | [IDC]Dragon | what are you missing for a GUI? |
22:43:16 | BlueChip | but for now, I will sew my interface into rockbox and fix all the windows wim bugs probably |
22:43:22 | mattzz | use the checkbox! use the checkbox! |
22:43:24 | mattzz | :-) |
22:43:48 | BlueChip | i've fixed shed loads of bugs and done a whole heap of code optimisation on my personal version |
22:44:25 | BlueChip | Rockbox now contains three random number generator - LOL |
22:44:32 | BlueChip | plus mine |
22:44:44 | [IDC]Dragon | I never got as far as reviewing that, sorry |
22:44:53 | | Quit c0utta (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
22:45:10 | BlueChip | reviewing which? |
22:45:18 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm a win user, but most of the stuff I did doesn't work on the sim |
22:45:40 | [IDC]Dragon | so I had no real motivation to help fixing it |
22:45:55 | BlueChip | yeah, all my fixes were rejected - i argued for two weeks to get the screen aspect ratio bug fix included |
22:45:55 | [IDC]Dragon | (selfish bastard I am) |
22:46:52 | BlueChip | I just can't be arsed with all the political stuff any more - that's why I gave when I was one step away from the MAS programmers docs - i was assured that the information would never be used without a signed authorisation from the chariman of Micronas |
22:47:04 | [IDC]Dragon | we should work on a BlueChip motivation campaign ;-) |
22:47:29 | BlueChip | you could consider offering me credit for my work (ouch!) |
22:47:32 | * | BlueChip ducks |
22:47:47 | * | [IDC]Dragon checks the credits |
22:48:00 | BlueChip | that is why I do not submit my stuff to Rockbox any more |
22:48:12 | [IDC]Dragon | booh |
22:48:24 | BlueChip | I can assure you I have made at least two enemies by requesting that I get credit |
22:49:10 | BlueChip | I refuse to give my "given name" out online, so I cannot/will not be credited |
22:49:41 | [IDC]Dragon | I was just about to check for that |
22:49:48 | BlueChip | Othelo is now fully animated with official rules and new AI, if you get the version from my site |
22:49:52 | [IDC]Dragon | you have a problem with your name? |
22:50:32 | BlueChip | I am known as BC, I like it that way, for many reasons, I did a three hour interrogation with Linus, I don't wish to go through that again :( |
22:50:50 | BlueChip | actually "interrogation" is an unfair word, Linus is not like that at all |
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23:05:53 | mattzz | gotta leave - c u |
23:05:56 | BlueChip | byeee |
23:06:04 | [IDC]Dragon | nite |
23:06:06 | | Quit mattzz ("Client exiting") |
23:06:08 | BlueChip | actually my dinner time too... l8rz |
23:06:16 | | Nick BlueChip is now known as BC|bbl (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) |
23:06:57 | [IDC]Dragon | nite, too |
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