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| 01:02:12 | hardeep | Zagor: your plugin change breaks backwards compatibility... versions need to be updated |
| 01:02:43 | Zagor | yeah, i just remembered that |
| 01:13:15 | hardeep | Zagor: both versions need to be updated since your change breaks backwards compatibility (any reason for that btw?) |
| 01:14:03 | Zagor | none other than my stupidity. i'll revert it. |
| 01:14:15 | Zagor | thanks for the reminder |
| 01:15:23 | midk | LOL |
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| 01:31:00 | Zagor | bed time |
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| 01:35:40 | Guest | does anyone know how to fix a compretion error on a jbv2 |
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| 07:12:47 | midk | hi linus |
| 07:13:02 | midk | i think i've finished a binary mode for my clock... haven't tested it yet |
| 07:15:55 | LinusN | nice |
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| 09:49:39 | BC|coding | Linus, I've just noticed that your updates to the win32sim have killed my dev-kit, would you mind my asking for your assistance in locating the required files? |
| 09:53:06 | BC|coding | my biggest headache is ...precisely WHICH version of (eg) "dirent.h" is missing ...I guess once I've sussed that, the rest may faill in place |
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| 09:57:56 | LinusN | network problems... |
| 09:58:13 | BC|coding | thought I'd scared you off for a moment - lol |
| 09:59:09 | LinusN | there are three dirent.h files, and i assume you need the one in /usr/include/mingw |
| 09:59:45 | BC|coding | cool - thanks, now I know what I am looking for :) |
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| 10:00:38 | BC|coding | now to navigate cygwin until I find them - lol |
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| 10:07:31 | BC|coding | geez - this is more painful than a visit to the live organ donor clinic |
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| 11:12:35 | amiconn | hi all |
| 11:13:13 | LinusN | howdy dowdy |
| 11:13:19 | amiconn | If someone is interested: I have now implemented my idea for a new bitswap algorithm |
| 11:13:27 | amiconn | ...without using a fliptable; purely out of interest how well this would perform. |
| 11:13:37 | amiconn | While being only slightly slower than the current routine (less than 7% in the real world), |
| 11:13:47 | amiconn | it does essentially cut the code size in half - 176 bytes instead of 356 bytes of precious IRAM. |
| 11:13:56 | amiconn | You can have a look at it at http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/bitswap.S |
| 11:15:47 | BC|coding | thanks for the comments ;) |
| 11:17:03 | LinusN | amiconn: nice work |
| 11:17:10 | dwihno | amiconn: you are a bit crazy - therefore, we love you! :D |
| 11:17:42 | amiconn | Dunno, if this should be committed; Jörg said that he would prefer speed ?:-| |
| 11:18:37 | BC|coding | i think he uses it in the video |
| 11:18:58 | Bagder | sure, all mp3 playing uses it |
| 11:19:15 | amiconn | BC|coding: Nope, the mp3 stream within rvf files is already bitswapped |
| 11:19:20 | Bagder | aha |
| 11:19:23 | * | Bagder hides |
| 11:19:40 | Bagder | his argument was more that were are not short on IRAM |
| 11:19:45 | Bagder | atm |
| 11:20:21 | Bagder | we're |
| 11:20:30 | * | Bagder tries to type |
| 11:20:34 | Bagder | A B C D |
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| 11:27:23 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Jens, I'm just looking at your bitswap, pretty freaky |
| 11:27:32 | amiconn | hi Jörg |
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| 11:28:41 | froloff | Can anybody tell me where I can get IDA TMS320 pluggin? |
| 11:29:15 | [IDC]Dragon | what's that? |
| 11:31:11 | froloff | I found that it was mentioned on This channel here http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20040427.txt |
| 11:31:35 | froloff | 08.55.13 # <Strath> well, just open it with a tracing x86 disasembler and find the data block |
| 11:32:54 | BC|coding | if you want a windows debugger, I suggest SoftIce |
| 11:33:36 | BC|coding | l8rz |
| 11:33:37 | froloff | It is not debugger, but disassembler, and I need to disassemble some Texas DSP code |
| 11:33:51 | BC|coding | sorry, misunderstood |
| 11:34:16 | BC|coding | for note though, debuggers tend to disassemble |
| 11:34:26 | froloff | Line I show was the beginning of talk |
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| 11:35:56 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, so IDA is a disassembler, apparently modular. No, I don't know about that nor the Texas DSP. |
| 11:38:43 | froloff | Ic |
| 11:39:17 | froloff | !seen sleep21 |
| 11:39:21 | LinusN | http://anchovy.ece.utexas.edu/~arifler/wetics/ |
| 11:39:33 | froloff | Hm no bot here ... |
| 11:41:24 | froloff | LinusN Very old and Out-of-dated |
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| 11:42:33 | lImbus | LinusN: moo, I got ya ! ;-) |
| 11:43:13 | LinusN | froloff: /msg logbot seen sleep21 |
| 11:43:28 | froloff | LinusN Thanks! |
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| 12:00:44 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I'm not sure if I should commit my new bitswap; as you said you would prefer speed |
| 12:02:12 | LinusN | it would be sad to break the trend of committing faster and faster bitswap routines :-) |
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| 12:02:38 | amiconn | :-/ |
| 12:04:31 | dwihno | What about the precious IRAM? |
| 12:04:39 | dwihno | My precioussss!! |
| 12:07:37 | amiconn | Perhaps we could reuse it for alternative ata routines - the fast ones for "good" disks, the standard ones for Hitachi DK23CA |
| 12:07:50 | LinusN | i'm going to eat my precious lunch now |
| 12:11:03 | webmind | ok i -know- this is offtopic but does anyone know a good jukebox that can do mp3 and ogg ? |
| 12:25:14 | lImbus | apparently not :-/ |
| 12:28:40 | LinusN | webmind: i think the Rio Karma can play Ogg |
| 12:34:15 | webmind | ok |
| 12:34:59 | webmind | thnx |
| 12:35:17 | c0utta | cygwin help required! |
| 12:35:46 | * | Bagder buckles up and prepares |
| 12:35:55 | Bagder | shoot! |
| 12:35:58 | c0utta | ta Bagder |
| 12:36:14 | c0utta | io.c changed recently, correct ? |
| 12:36:22 | c0utta | i'm talking about windows sim here |
| 12:36:35 | Bagder | yeah and the BC dev stuff is broken |
| 12:37:28 | c0utta | bummer |
| 12:37:46 | Bagder | you're doomed to get these problems every now and then while using that |
| 12:38:00 | c0utta | do you suggest a clean cygwin install ? |
| 12:38:16 | Bagder | I do, with the provided sh1 tools |
| 12:38:33 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/cygwin_sdk.html |
| 12:39:14 | Bagder | we can remove the ssh suggestion from there |
| 12:39:26 | LinusN | ah |
| 12:39:37 | Zagor | do it while you move the page to twiki :) |
| 12:39:47 | Bagder | hehe |
| 12:39:53 | Bagder | good idea |
| 12:40:05 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 12:40:08 | c0utta | if i've already got an old cygwin - do i need to do some regedit first ? |
| 12:40:46 | Bagder | with my cygwin, I just run setup again and select the packages I want to add/update |
| 12:41:04 | c0utta | my cygwin was bc's original devkit |
| 12:41:06 | Bagder | then I don't use that very much |
| 12:41:07 | Topic | "Help move our docs to twiki: http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 12:41:31 | Bagder | I don't know what BC did or didn't do with it |
| 12:41:42 | c0utta | ok, i'll just try an install |
| 12:44:29 | * | Bagder adds that page to twiki |
| 12:48:39 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/CygwinDevelopment |
| 12:51:02 | Bagder | hm |
| 12:51:04 | Zagor | umm, don't put it in the TWiki web, put it in Main |
| 12:51:16 | Bagder | I don't understand how I got to do it |
| 12:52:23 | Zagor | i'll lock it so you can't do that by mistake |
| 12:52:30 | Bagder | yes, do that |
| 12:52:35 | Bagder | or others will repeat my mistake |
| 12:53:33 | LinusN | not all people are as silly as you, Bagder |
| 12:53:55 | Bagder | true |
| 12:54:00 | Bagder | but *some* might be |
| 12:54:05 | Bagder | a very tiny little fraction! ;-) |
| 12:54:37 | Zagor | :) |
| 12:54:53 | Zagor | try now |
| 12:55:29 | Bagder | "You do not have permission to change..." |
| 12:55:30 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 12:55:35 | Zagor | good |
| 12:56:09 | Bagder | so we should have a "latest changes in twiki" in addition to the cvs table |
| 12:56:19 | Zagor | yup |
| 12:57:41 | Bagder | Zagor: can you move that file to the proper wiki? |
| 12:58:01 | LinusN | and a table of contents on the main page. maybe? |
| 12:58:04 | Bagder | two files actually |
| 12:58:07 | Zagor | sure |
| 12:58:27 | Bagder | LinusN: yes, we should start adding to a TOC on the front page |
| 12:58:33 | Bagder | or rather create a toc page |
| 12:59:04 | Zagor | that can be done automatically I think, using "Category" tags. i'll look into it. |
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| 13:01:06 | LinusN | Bagder: the headings look different on the wiki cygwin page |
| 13:01:14 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:01:21 | Bagder | I used wiki-syntax, not html |
| 13:01:27 | LinusN | it's locked, grrr |
| 13:01:37 | Bagder | override |
| 13:01:47 | Bagder | but only if you edit Zagor's moved version |
| 13:03:16 | LinusN | Bagder: any special reason that you used * * instead of −−-+? |
| 13:03:35 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:03:43 | Bagder | I don't know what −−-+ is ;-) |
| 13:03:51 | LinusN | look at the page now |
| 13:04:14 | Zagor | it's one of the many little things that differ with this wiki compared to the one we use at work |
| 13:06:30 | Zagor | I just added a "view" link at the bottom of each page, to see how a page is written in wiki syntax without having to edit it |
| 13:06:41 | Bagder | I noticed |
| 13:06:43 | Bagder | that's handy |
| 13:07:54 | Zagor | and I just noticed Twiki does automatic breadcrumbs at the top of the page! CygwinDevelopment is listed after RockboxDevelopment. interesting. |
| 13:08:04 | Bagder | I noticed too |
| 13:08:07 | Bagder | looks neat |
| 13:08:17 | Zagor | i wonder what happens when/if we link to it from another page aswell |
| 13:08:34 | Bagder | I also noticed the 'parents' links at the bottom |
| 13:09:23 | Zagor | ooh |
| 13:09:34 | Bagder | can you make it not add your name and date by default in the document? |
| 13:09:57 | Zagor | I didn't know it did. hmm... |
| 13:10:05 | Zagor | ah, right. new pages get that. |
| 13:10:35 | Zagor | i have no idea where to start looking :) |
| 13:11:01 | Bagder | ignore it then :-) |
| 13:13:05 | Bagder | I think the FAQ-entries are best done one per twiki-page |
| 13:13:25 | Bagder | then we can group/list then from other pages |
| 13:13:29 | Bagder | them |
| 13:13:38 | Zagor | on the other hand that makes it quite painful to read the whole faq |
| 13:13:51 | Bagder | true |
| 13:13:51 | Zagor | ...which we really want people to do |
| 13:14:55 | Bagder | I just can't think of a good way to split it up, "FaqPart1" doesn't look nice |
| 13:16:09 | Zagor | well it can look nice if we divide it in logical chunks and describe it well in the table of contents. sort of like "man perl" |
| 13:16:18 | Bagder | besides, the whole wiki will be a FAQ/doc, no one will read the whole thing |
| 13:17:49 | Bagder | hm |
| 13:18:01 | Bagder | Zagor: that crumb thing doesn't appear on the cross-compiler page |
| 13:18:24 | Bagder | it seems you must create the page from the "parent" to make it appear |
| 13:20:07 | Zagor | hmm.. |
| 13:21:27 | Zagor | CygwinDevelopment has %META:TOPICPARENT{name="RockboxDevelopment"}% in it |
| 13:21:38 | * | Bagder tries some more pedantic compiler options |
| 13:21:56 | * | Bagder gets many warnings ;-) |
| 13:22:07 | Bagder | mpeg.c:562: warning: string length `874' is greater than the length `509' ISO C89 compilers are required to support |
| 13:22:14 | Bagder | :-) |
| 13:22:21 | Zagor | 509! |
| 13:22:37 | Bagder | id3.c:225: warning: ISO C does not allow extra `;' outside of a function |
| 13:22:56 | LinusN | 512-3=509, why 3? |
| 13:23:13 | Bagder | don't ask, obey! ;-) |
| 13:24:13 | LinusN | how nice, that's the inline assembler :-( |
| 13:24:50 | Bagder | gosh |
| 13:25:16 | Bagder | it could probably be split |
| 13:25:40 | Bagder | anyway, that warning is not really helping us |
| 13:26:56 | LinusN | nope |
| 13:27:37 | Bagder | peakmeter.c:58: warning: static declaration for `peak_meter_range_min'\ |
| 13:27:38 | Bagder | follows non-static |
| 13:32:04 | LinusN | funny, lots of stray semicolons :-) |
| 13:32:14 | Bagder | yeps |
| 13:34:16 | Bagder | -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -pedantic -Wno-long-long -Wpointer-arith -Wnested-externs -Winline -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -Wundef -Wunreachable-code |
| 13:34:48 | Bagder | floods your terminal ;-) |
| 13:34:48 | c0utta | btw - it looks like some of the packages have changed their name slightly in cygwin |
| 13:35:18 | Bagder | lucky the docs is in a wiki now then! ;-) |
| 13:36:50 | c0utta | wikiwikiwiki |
| 13:37:45 | LinusN | Bagder: Parent is set in the "more" options |
| 13:37:56 | Bagder | ok |
| 13:38:03 | Bagder | but I never did that on the cygwin page |
| 13:40:21 | [IDC]Dragon | back from lunch&meeting |
| 13:40:59 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: I see you've placed my posting in the twiki already ;-) |
| 13:41:00 | c0utta | "There is a possibility that LinusNielsenFeltzing is editing this topic" |
| 13:44:35 | LinusN | i released the lock now |
| 13:44:47 | c0utta | you are too kind |
| 13:45:17 | Zagor | see the RockboxFAQ page for example how an automated page index works. all pages with a line "RockboxFAQ: <description>" will show up there |
| 13:47:55 | Bagder | perhaps the numbers should be removed from the faq titles |
| 13:48:05 | Bagder | I see they get anchors automatically |
| 13:49:02 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:52:38 | Bagder | I'll create a DocsIndex to replace the docs page |
| 13:58:25 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
| 13:58:37 | Bagder | not complete yet |
| 13:59:00 | Zagor | check out the neato inter-link feature on the NiMH page |
| 13:59:42 | Bagder | neato indeed |
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| 14:05:02 | Zagor | by the way, parents can be assigned in the "More" bottom link |
| 14:13:43 | LinusN | Bagder: i'd prefer the [[WikiLink][text]] linking style for the doc index |
| 14:14:02 | LinusN | for the CrossCompiler for example |
| 14:14:10 | Bagder | why? |
| 14:14:22 | LinusN | because i like the old style of the doc page |
| 14:15:08 | LinusN | [[CrossCompiler][Building the cross compiler]] |
| 14:16:05 | Bagder | I leave cosmetic issues to someone else |
| 14:16:09 | Bagder | such as you ;-) |
| 14:16:17 | LinusN | yes, but the page is locked :-) |
| 14:16:27 | Bagder | yes, because twiki is lame |
| 14:16:37 | LinusN | are you done with it? |
| 14:16:40 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:16:47 | LinusN | ok, i'll force the edit |
| 14:17:02 | Bagder | that's a pretty evident bug |
| 14:17:38 | Bagder | there's still lots of link in the end of the page that's not added |
| 14:17:42 | Bagder | links |
| 14:20:00 | LinusN | ? |
| 14:20:07 | Bagder | in DocsIndex |
| 14:20:16 | Bagder | compared to the old docs index page |
| 14:21:04 | LinusN | ah, i thought you found a TWiki bug |
| 14:21:34 | Bagder | the bug part was about me having cancelled by edit but still showing up as locked by me |
| 14:21:45 | Bagder | *my* edit |
| 14:22:34 | LinusN | ah |
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| 14:24:47 | Bagder | mattzz is a wiki wizard! ;-) |
| 14:24:51 | mattzz | holla muchachos |
| 14:24:55 | * | Bagder looks at WebHome |
| 14:25:34 | mattzz | I felt free to add some things, hope thats ok |
| 14:25:44 | Bagder | go go go! ;-) |
| 14:26:11 | mattzz | Will the UI discussion be moved to the twiki as well? |
| 14:27:26 | Bagder | I guess so |
| 14:28:06 | mattzz | OK, I will help you with that then |
| 14:28:35 | LinusN | Bagder: check out the docs index now |
| 14:29:06 | Bagder | lots of bad links in there |
| 14:29:13 | Bagder | :-) |
| 14:29:28 | Bagder | (missing "/docs/" prefixes) |
| 14:29:33 | LinusN | ah |
| 14:29:44 | Zagor | Bagder: that's not a bug, it's a feature :) |
| 14:29:54 | Zagor | (i'll see if I can turn it off) |
| 14:30:34 | mattzz | Zagor, another thing: I suggest setting the Twiki-site name to rockbox, not to TWiki, because there ist also a web called TWiki. Thats pretty confusing |
| 14:31:01 | Zagor | there's a site name? ;) |
| 14:31:16 | Bagder | hehe |
| 14:32:17 | Zagor | Bagder: the idea with keeping the lock a while is that people tend to press Back in the browser and edit the page again without grabbing a new lock. |
| 14:32:26 | Bagder | aha |
| 14:32:29 | Zagor | mattzz: fixed |
| 14:33:09 | mattzz | in Twiki.cfg, called wikiToolName |
| 14:33:19 | mattzz | whooo, fast |
| 14:33:29 | mattzz | brb |
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| 14:40:06 | Zagor | my battery test is totally nuts. 40% battery left after 13 hours! |
| 14:40:58 | dwihno | mongo |
| 14:41:17 | lImbus | TWikiRegistration (oops): lImbus is not a good WikiName. What a bummer :-( |
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| 14:47:23 | Bagder | I'm seriously thinking of making a pong |
| 14:47:31 | | Nick mattzz|meeting is now known as mattzz (~c2af7555@c227176.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 14:47:41 | Bagder | I think rockbox needs one |
| 14:47:55 | Zagor | pong == salvation |
| 14:49:07 | Bagder | f1+left for one player, f3+right for the other player |
| 14:49:47 | c0utta | cygwin == killkillkill |
| 14:49:53 | Bagder | haha |
| 14:50:07 | c0utta | ls uisw32.exe |
| 14:50:13 | c0utta | uisw32.exe |
| 14:50:32 | c0utta | bash: uisw32.exe: command not found |
| 14:50:46 | c0utta | ? |
| 14:50:58 | Bagder | ./uisw32.exe |
| 14:51:10 | Bagder | you may not have . in your path |
| 14:51:15 | c0utta | i'm going to puke |
| 14:51:52 | Bagder | we don't mind that: one of the benefits of internet communication :-) |
| 14:51:57 | | Join devnull [0] (~jirc@host217-34-200-59.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 14:52:15 | devnull | Hello |
| 14:52:20 | LinusN | hi |
| 14:52:21 | devnull | I'm a little stuck |
| 14:52:32 | c0utta | and please tell me where i change my path in cygwin ? |
| 14:52:38 | devnull | I have just bought a universal car adaptor |
| 14:52:38 | LinusN | .bash_profile? |
| 14:52:46 | Zagor | Bagder: are you editing DocsIndex? |
| 14:52:48 | devnull | Wondering if it would work with my FMR |
| 14:52:54 | Bagder | Zagor: no |
| 14:53:12 | LinusN | devnull: 6V 600mA center positive |
| 14:53:26 | c0utta | .bash_profile is not found |
| 14:53:30 | devnull | ah... it's 1500ma |
| 14:53:34 | devnull | thanks anyway :) |
| 14:53:47 | LinusN | that'll probably work anyway |
| 14:54:47 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: how about your battery plugin as a background task? |
| 14:54:52 | LinusN | as long as it's >= 600mA |
| 14:55:21 | [IDC]Dragon | (TSR plugin, you know ;-) |
| 14:55:22 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: good idea |
| 14:56:24 | Zagor | it's still pretty interesting seeing this massive runtime, even if it's not "real life" rockbox load. |
| 14:58:06 | | Nick lImbus is now known as lImbus|meeting (~manuel@kernel.cycos.net) |
| 14:58:19 | devnull | ah cool, so I won't kill it then :) |
| 14:58:31 | [IDC]Dragon | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/alpine_cdc/alpine_cdc.zip is my first and only TSR plugin |
| 14:58:40 | devnull | yippie... gonna be using it at Glastonbury festival then... perhaps I should try some recording |
| 14:59:03 | devnull | by the way, you prob hear it all the time, but rockbox... blooming fantastic! |
| 14:59:13 | Zagor | thanks :) |
| 14:59:21 | Bagder | hay |
| 14:59:26 | Bagder | emacs has a pong! |
| 14:59:28 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 14:59:33 | Zagor | wooo |
| 14:59:43 | Bagder | M-x pong |
| 14:59:49 | devnull | doesn't emacs have everything... |
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| 15:01:02 | LinusN | woo, it's hard |
| 15:01:06 | Zagor | don't disturb, i'm playing... |
| 15:01:16 | Bagder | it doesn't make coffee |
| 15:01:17 | Bagder | yet |
| 15:01:58 | Bagder | now, if we just make a lisp interpreter we can use that! ;-P |
| 15:02:23 | Zagor | did you hear about the guy who added a lisp machine to the linux kernel? |
| 15:02:31 | LinusN | pong in the kernel! |
| 15:02:31 | Zagor | ...he complained about getting stack overflows... |
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| 15:02:51 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 15:03:03 | LinusN | and if "pong" was an inet device: ping pong |
| 15:03:14 | * | Zagor gives linus a yellow card |
| 15:03:36 | Bagder | everyone should have a host in /etc/host named pong |
| 15:03:45 | LinusN | mandatory |
| 15:03:48 | Zagor | 127.0.0.1 localhost pong |
| 15:03:59 | LinusN | ut me domarn! |
| 15:06:50 | Hes | everyone should have a 'warez' in their zone file (pointing to localhost, of course) |
| 15:10:37 | Zagor | for the ftp speed bragging rights? ;) |
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| 15:14:28 | mattzz | Zagor: the table plugin would be really nice to have |
| 15:15:34 | * | mattzz just sees that basic table abilities are already provided.... |
| 15:16:26 | Zagor | yes, that's enabled by default |
| 15:16:48 | Zagor | maybe the table plugin makes them prettier |
| 15:17:12 | mattzz | yup |
| 15:26:53 | | Nick midknight2k3 is now known as midk|gone (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
| 15:29:48 | Zagor | mattzz: i suggest renaming RockboxUserInterface to something with "proposal" or "discussion". otherwise people can be very confused. |
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| 15:31:29 | mattzz | Zagor: U r right |
| 15:34:21 | mattzz | [x] done |
| 15:35:30 | mattzz | Zagor: there is absolutely no left border, so the html pages are looking a bit squeezed |
| 15:35:44 | Zagor | yes, i noticed that too. i'll look into it. |
| 15:35:46 | mattzz | is that intentional |
| 15:35:49 | mattzz | ? |
| 15:35:54 | Zagor | no |
| 15:35:54 | Bagder | it is |
| 15:36:01 | Bagder | the rockbox css is like that |
| 15:36:30 | Zagor | yes, but it uses a left-side menu in which this works. with text all the way to the left it doesn't look as good. |
| 15:36:39 | Bagder | ah, right |
| 15:36:47 | mattzz | no! left!!!! left!!!! |
| 15:37:09 | Zagor | I haven't made up my mind if I want the left-side menu in twiki too or not. |
| 15:37:31 | mattzz | no prob, I just stumbled across that |
| 15:37:40 | Zagor | it wastes page space but it also makes the twiki more integrated |
| 15:37:54 | * | Bagder hits mattzz |
| 15:37:56 | mattzz | I like the rockbox css |
| 15:38:20 | * | mattzz was hit on his _left_ side |
| 15:44:39 | mattzz | Zagor: Do you want me to append "Proposal" to all topics belonging to the RockboxUserInterfaceProposal? Might be a good idea... |
| 15:46:27 | Zagor | only TrackScreen, I think. the rest are obviously discussions and are thus not as confusing. |
| 15:47:00 | mattzz | ok |
| 15:52:18 | LinusN | gotta go, bye all |
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| 16:01:07 | mattzz | Zagor: how about adding bugs and patches to http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/InterWikis? |
| 16:01:44 | Zagor | good idea |
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| 16:08:58 | Zagor | "Bug:" "Patch:" and "Request:" now works. |
| 16:10:52 | mattzz | great |
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| 16:14:32 | mattzz | c u l8er, gotta go |
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| 16:33:14 | RaZorbacK | AciD, |
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| 16:46:04 | OrionUser | hello |
| 16:46:31 | Zagor | hi |
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| 16:52:17 | Zagor | bouncy bouncy |
| 16:54:49 | elinenbe|sleeps | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 16:55:12 | Zagor | orionuser/razorback keeps bouncing in and out of the channel |
| 16:59:52 | * | Bagder plays pong |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:17 | Bagder | it bit rough still |
| 17:00:27 | Zagor | haha |
| 17:01:03 | Zagor | i found that you can exclude headings from %TOC% by adding !! to the header: −−-+!! exlcuded header |
| 17:01:17 | Bagder | nice |
| 17:01:34 | Zagor | yeah, makes the faq toc looks good |
| 17:02:21 | Bagder | the x11sim over ssh from far away is not the fastest thing on earth |
| 17:03:19 | Bagder | so its hard to judge the speed of the game so far |
| 17:04:52 | | Join ka [0] (~tkirk@65.216.194.2) |
| 17:05:11 | Zagor | i added twiki to the left-side menu |
| 17:05:46 | Bagder | both pads can bounce it |
| 17:06:09 | Bagder | just no "smart" bounce depending on y-axis hit |
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| 17:14:15 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jakesir |
| 17:14:15 | jakesir | Hi |
| 17:15:01 | Bagder | hi |
| 17:15:08 | dwihno | hejpådej |
| 17:16:11 | jakesir | [IDC]Dragon, what happends if first ~2000 is not ok and that miniMon is not loading? |
| 17:16:38 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 17:16:38 | * | jakesir Server Stopped (Reason: I'm a leecher) |
| 17:17:17 | jakesir | I checked the level converter and pretty sure it's working |
| 17:21:38 | * | jakesir Server Stopped (Reason: I'm a leecher) |
| 17:26:39 | * | jakesir Server Stopped (Reason: I'm a leecher) |
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| 17:31:25 | [IDC]Dragon | jakesir: are you still there? |
| 17:31:39 | * | jakesir Server Stopped (Reason: I'm a leecher) |
| 17:32:21 | Zagor | jakesir: would you mind removing the script that says that? |
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| 17:36:39 | * | jakesir Server Stopped (Reason: I'm a leecher) |
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| 17:41:42 | * | jakesir Server Stopped (Reason: I'm a leecher) |
| 17:46:40 | * | jakesir Server Stopped (Reason: I'm a leecher) |
| 17:48:27 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 17:48:43 | Kick | (#rockbox jakesir :Zagor) by Zagor!~bjst@labb.contactor.se |
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| 17:49:17 | Mode | "#rockbox +o logbot " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 17:50:35 | *** | SPY: Authentication failed for Zagor |
| 17:50:46 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox -o+b jakesir *!*TpA@*.balt.east.verizon.net |
| 17:50:46 | DBUG | Sent KICK jakesir to server |
| 17:50:46 | Mode | "#rockbox -o+b jakesir *!*TpA@*.balt.east.verizon.net " by logbot (~bjst@193.15.23.131) |
| 17:50:46 | Kick | (#rockbox jakesir :Annoying script) by logbot!~bjst@193.15.23.131 |
| 17:51:00 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 17:51:23 | Zagor | i'm off |
| 17:51:24 | | Part Zagor |
| 17:55:51 | DBUG | sent MODE #rockbox -b *!*TpA@*.balt.east.verizon.net |
| 17:55:52 | Mode | "#rockbox -b *!*TpA@*.balt.east.verizon.net " by logbot (~bjst@193.15.23.131) |
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| 18:02:51 | jakesir | sorry about that |
| 18:03:28 | jakesir | didn't see that script running |
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| 18:11:18 | jakesir | back |
| 18:11:23 | jakesir | finally |
| 18:11:38 | jakesir | sorry about the script |
| 18:12:52 | | Nick lImbus|meeting is now known as lImbus (~manuel@kernel.cycos.net) |
| 18:17:26 | [IDC]Dragon | jakesir: now I'm paying attention again |
| 18:19:23 | jakesir | great |
| 18:19:31 | [IDC]Dragon | jakesir: minimon doesn't need to get loaded via serial, it's alread present when you F3+On |
| 18:20:14 | [IDC]Dragon | use option -n |
| 18:20:18 | jakesir | well |
| 18:20:32 | jakesir | i checked my level converter using teraterm |
| 18:20:38 | jakesir | and it looks good |
| 18:20:46 | [IDC]Dragon | and a loopback? |
| 18:20:55 | jakesir | what ever I send in I get that same character using loopback |
| 18:21:13 | [IDC]Dragon | and without, you don't |
| 18:21:15 | jakesir | I check the voltage and I get ~3.8 |
| 18:21:25 | jakesir | yes, w/o I don't |
| 18:22:21 | jakesir | when I do uart_boot -r -p COM1 -n -b, i don't get any blinking |
| 18:22:35 | [IDC]Dragon | what is the command line you're using? |
| 18:22:39 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
| 18:23:04 | jakesir | so, i'm thinking the miniMon is not working>> |
| 18:23:11 | [IDC]Dragon | what model do you have? |
| 18:23:18 | jakesir | V2, 20gig |
| 18:23:23 | jakesir | w/o FM |
| 18:23:42 | jakesir | but the board says JBR-FM v2.2 |
| 18:23:47 | [IDC]Dragon | you should include -h then |
| 18:23:53 | jakesir | just no daughter board on it |
| 18:24:00 | [IDC]Dragon | else it may shut off |
| 18:24:20 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, no, you're not using the uart boot |
| 18:24:36 | [IDC]Dragon | then my bootloader does that |
| 18:24:49 | jakesir | huh? |
| 18:24:59 | [IDC]Dragon | forget it, sorry |
| 18:25:04 | jakesir | lol |
| 18:25:30 | [IDC]Dragon | you have it open? then you could do the uart boot mod |
| 18:25:48 | [IDC]Dragon | if you can solder |
| 18:25:52 | jakesir | so try uart_boot -r -p COM1 -h -n -b??? |
| 18:26:12 | jakesir | yes, I have it open and it's been open for almost a month |
| 18:26:22 | jakesir | i hope I can find/remember all the parts |
| 18:26:23 | jakesir | LOL |
| 18:26:41 | [IDC]Dragon | no -h necessary, only if you use the uart boot mod |
| 18:27:18 | [IDC]Dragon | see the pictures under: http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/uart_boot/ |
| 18:27:53 | jakesir | yes, the one with cut here |
| 18:28:02 | [IDC]Dragon | especially http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/uart_boot/FM_Detail.jpg |
| 18:28:34 | jakesir | yes, that's on the other side of the board |
| 18:28:39 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, if you cut there and attach a wire to Gnd, you're in uart boot mode |
| 18:29:12 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, yes, you'd need to unsolder the board from the chassis |
| 18:29:21 | jakesir | yeap |
| 18:29:25 | jakesir | should be no problem |
| 18:30:18 | jakesir | so, where am i exactly cutting? |
| 18:30:38 | [IDC]Dragon | not visibble from the pic? |
| 18:30:39 | jakesir | just 2nd pin from the top-right? |
| 18:30:58 | jakesir | sort of hard to tell |
| 18:31:07 | [IDC]Dragon | the pins of the right row are all connected |
| 18:31:27 | [IDC]Dragon | you cut the connection between that row and the via |
| 18:31:28 | jakesir | oh |
| 18:31:42 | [IDC]Dragon | you'll see when facing it |
| 18:32:30 | [IDC]Dragon | connect the wire to the via (+3V) again for normal start |
| 18:33:14 | [IDC]Dragon | and be sure it's really insulated by the cut, else you'd connect +3V and Gnd |
| 18:33:32 | jakesir | ok, so, let me repeat, cut connection, attach a wire to group to that point |
| 18:33:55 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 18:34:23 | jakesir | and start the JBR w/F3-ON? |
| 18:34:37 | jakesir | and re-run uart_boot? |
| 18:34:46 | [IDC]Dragon | no, connect the wire to Gnd and just start |
| 18:34:58 | jakesir | what will that do? |
| 18:35:09 | [IDC]Dragon | then use uart_boot with -h instead of -n |
| 18:35:39 | [IDC]Dragon | it will tell the code in the boot ROM to wait for code from the serial |
| 18:35:59 | jakesir | oh |
| 18:36:35 | jakesir | and after dump and flash, resolder it back? |
| 18:36:48 | [IDC]Dragon | -s is also good, to stop the disk from spinning all the time |
| 18:36:50 | jakesir | the cut points |
| 18:37:01 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, re-connect |
| 18:37:30 | jakesir | hmm than i got to be very carefull not to cut too much |
| 18:37:36 | [IDC]Dragon | for a test, you can loosely connect the wire to +3V at any convenient place |
| 18:38:22 | [IDC]Dragon | also later you don't need to attach to exactly there, can be some other point |
| 18:38:41 | [IDC]Dragon | do you have a continuity tester? |
| 18:39:08 | jakesir | wait... so what am I cutting? power(3v)?? |
| 18:39:25 | jakesir | yes, i have multimeter |
| 18:39:39 | [IDC]Dragon | the power to the pullup resistors, yes |
| 18:39:42 | jakesir | i use that to verify the cutting |
| 18:39:48 | [IDC]Dragon | good |
| 18:41:17 | jakesir | so, when I cut, attach one side of cut, ie end of resistor(103) to Ground |
| 18:41:27 | [IDC]Dragon | +3V are probably available at many capacitors close to logic ICs, for blocking their supply |
| 18:41:28 | jakesir | and the other side of cut to the +3? |
| 18:41:42 | [IDC]Dragon | the other side is +3V |
| 18:41:51 | [IDC]Dragon | no need to connect that |
| 18:42:49 | jakesir | oh, now I get it |
| 18:43:03 | jakesir | ok, wish me luck |
| 18:43:21 | jakesir | i got to find my exacto knife |
| 18:44:20 | jakesir | is there any other way to test more using current setup? |
| 18:45:50 | [IDC]Dragon | not really, if you say your serial is OK |
| 18:46:26 | [IDC]Dragon | but I find it very strange. Didn't you say you can run the Archos s/w? |
| 18:46:51 | jakesir | yes |
| 18:47:02 | jakesir | with F1+ON |
| 18:47:11 | [IDC]Dragon | so tha flash appears to be intact up to there |
| 18:47:35 | [IDC]Dragon | but that doesn't load Rockbox from disk? |
| 18:48:17 | jakesir | yes |
| 18:48:47 | jakesir | pressing just ON button will turn on the system but nothing happends |
| 18:48:49 | [IDC]Dragon | and you have the .ajz for your model? |
| 18:48:53 | jakesir | yes |
| 18:49:10 | [IDC]Dragon | have you tried both the FM and V2 version? |
| 18:49:11 | jakesir | and it will turn itself off after ~15 seconds |
| 18:49:21 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe there is a mixup |
| 18:49:21 | jakesir | i tried almost every version |
| 18:49:36 | [IDC]Dragon | OK |
| 18:49:47 | jakesir | as well as daily build-up |
| 18:50:01 | jakesir | so, it's very strange |
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| 18:51:49 | jakesir | wait, if I get ~3.8 from Rx and none from Tx, is that right? |
| 18:53:12 | jakesir | i'm talking about the level converter |
| 18:58:24 | [IDC]Dragon | TX viewed from which side? |
| 18:58:35 | jakesir | level converter |
| 18:58:49 | [IDC]Dragon | I mean, TX is the pin driven by the PC |
| 18:58:55 | jakesir | yes |
| 18:58:57 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
| 18:59:01 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 18:59:15 | [IDC]Dragon | connected to RX of the box |
| 18:59:24 | [IDC]Dragon | and vice-versa? |
| 18:59:45 | jakesir | no |
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| 19:00:13 | [IDC]Dragon | the PC output must be connected to the box's input |
| 19:00:20 | jakesir | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/rs232_schematic_big.png |
| 19:00:21 | [IDC]Dragon | and vice versa |
| 19:00:48 | jakesir | pin 11 and 12 form max3232 |
| 19:01:19 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, the crossing is already in the schematic |
| 19:02:10 | [IDC]Dragon | what's calles TX there is in fact RX of the PC |
| 19:02:11 | jakesir | yes, so pin11 = Tx, I get no voltage when running uart boot |
| 19:02:26 | jakesir | pin12 = Rx, I get ~3.8 |
| 19:02:34 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, because that's the input of the PC |
| 19:02:43 | jakesir | yes |
| 19:03:00 | [IDC]Dragon | MAX pin 12 is the one driven by the PC |
| 19:03:09 | [IDC]Dragon | all OK then |
| 19:03:37 | jakesir | u sure?? |
| 19:04:19 | jakesir | 'cause I went through this logic and sometimes it makes sense and sometimes not |
| 19:04:33 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, TX means the TX of Rockbox then |
| 19:05:28 | jakesir | i'm just too stress out |
| 19:05:30 | jakesir | LOL |
| 19:05:58 | jakesir | yes, it makes sense, Rx of the rockbox w/3.8v |
| 19:06:15 | jakesir | Tx waiting for output |
| 19:06:48 | jakesir | so if it test for voltage after connecting everything and running w/ -b I should get some voltage out of tx |
| 19:06:50 | jakesir | right? |
| 19:12:52 | jakesir | i wish i had a scope |
| 19:15:28 | [IDC]Dragon | if you connect, you should see the idle high voltage at TX. |
| 19:16:07 | [IDC]Dragon | something like 3V. |
| 19:16:24 | jakesir | yes, i just checked |
| 19:16:45 | jakesir | it was 3.3 v |
| 19:26:57 | [IDC]Dragon | good |
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| 19:30:53 | Zagor | test ended after 19 hours! |
| 19:31:20 | amiconn | Zagor: What mAh rating? |
| 19:31:39 | Zagor | 2200 |
| 19:35:04 | amiconn | same as mine, so no need to measure myself |
| 19:35:50 | Zagor | it's quite a bit longer than I expected |
| 19:37:22 | [IDC]Dragon | we have to watch for global_settings.runtime and topruntime, those are 16 bit signed |
| 19:37:45 | [IDC]Dragon | you're not allowed to run longer than 32767 seconds |
| 19:38:12 | [IDC]Dragon | a little over 9 hours |
| 19:38:48 | Zagor | ouch, how silly |
| 19:38:54 | Zagor | i wrote that :) |
| 19:41:31 | [IDC]Dragon | don't change it now, I'm working on that code. |
| 19:41:59 | Zagor | ok |
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| 19:42:56 | lImbus | hi doensen, how are you ? |
| 19:43:09 | Doensen | fine... nice to see you ;-) |
| 19:43:29 | Doensen | by the way: i use trillian. that FUNZT too |
| 19:43:34 | Doensen | *lol* |
| 19:44:05 | lImbus | except from umlauts, I suppose |
| 19:44:11 | Doensen | hehe |
| 19:45:08 | lImbus | hope you'll get your rockbox-recorder very soon |
| 19:46:06 | Doensen | i hope it, too |
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| 20:27:59 | lImbus | huh ? |
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| 20:44:25 | Neurosupherot | hi! |
| 20:45:08 | Neurosupherot | need help please |
| 20:45:18 | Neurosupherot | how to convert a bmp |
| 20:45:23 | Neurosupherot | with bmp2rb |
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| 21:43:52 | amiconn | Is there a known maximum period after which a Rockbox plugin should definitely yield()? |
| 21:44:04 | Zagor | no |
| 21:44:16 | Zagor | you'll notice when music starts stuttering ;) |
| 21:44:27 | amiconn | I'm asking because mandelbrot.rock currently doesn't yield() at all while calculationg. |
| 21:44:37 | amiconn | *calculating |
| 21:45:20 | amiconn | This may even cause Rockbox to hang when it wants to reload the buffer |
| 21:45:50 | Zagor | do you mean freeze, or really hang permanently? |
| 21:46:47 | amiconn | It once happened to me; seemed to hang permanently, or rather reacts to some button presses, but not all |
| 21:47:06 | amiconn | I will try to reproduce it |
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| 21:55:50 | amiconn | Zagor: I managed to reproduce the effect (sort of). |
| 21:56:24 | Zagor | how long does it typically calculate? |
| 21:56:54 | amiconn | If the mandelbrot plugin is running while listening to music and then a number of calculation cycles is started while rockbox tries to load the next chunk of mp3, the following may happen (not always): |
| 21:57:50 | amiconn | (1) The music stop (obviously), sometimes it plays very short chunks between then calculation cycles, hd led constantly on & disk spinning |
| 21:59:05 | amiconn | (2) After leaving the plugin, the playback has seemingly stopped, but hasn't - the "silent play" some people have observed in conjunction with rld |
| 21:59:38 | Zagor | have you tried adding some yields? is one per calculated y-line enough, for instance? |
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| 22:00:00 | amiconn | (3) If you then pause the playback and un-pause again, it continues to play. However, it then reloads _very_ often |
| 22:00:35 | Zagor | i guess the disk spinup timer has gone bonkers, saying it takes minutes to spin the disk... |
| 22:00:59 | amiconn | Ahh, this would explain the short reload cycle. |
| 22:01:33 | Zagor | we could add a max time of 10 seconds or something |
| 22:01:45 | Zagor | just for extra robustness |
| 22:02:43 | amiconn | Now the reload cycle is back to normal. Still I don't get what the silent play is coming from |
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| 22:03:13 | Zagor | maybe we have bugs in the error handling, so we don't properly detect the failed loading |
| 22:03:47 | amiconn | Does the mas mute when it is fed with bad mpeg data? |
| 22:03:56 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:06:11 | amiconn | I will try out mandelbrot with an added yield() for every column. |
| 22:18:31 | amiconn | It is not enough to yield() after each column - the buffer reloading still takes ages then, and the music stops |
| 22:18:54 | amiconn | However, it finally manages to reload, and the music continues. No more silent play |
| 22:19:03 | Zagor | is the mandelbrot calculation noticeably slower with the yields in? |
| 22:20:10 | amiconn | As it is now (once every column) it is not noticeable |
| 22:21:17 | amiconn | Hmm. My second try now gave me silent play (for about 30 seconds, then it auto-recovered) |
| 22:22:21 | amiconn | Trying within yield() ing after every pixel... |
| 22:26:44 | amiconn | ...this does the trick, and you can see the effect - when rockbox reloads the buffer, you can "see" the bitswap working - the mandelbrot calculation almost stop for some seconds |
| 22:26:57 | amiconn | *stops |
| 22:31:47 | amiconn | yield() ing after every pixel slows down mandelbrot calculation by about 50% (for the default number of iterations) |
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| 22:42:43 | amiconn | I now have something what I think is a good compromise: yielding after every pixel, but only if at least one tick has passed |
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| 22:44:01 | amiconn | This slows down calculation by only ~10% (rough estimation), while still ensuring correct playback |
| 22:52:45 | amiconn | Bagder: your latest change causes compiler warnings for the rec & fm sims (unused variable). Should I fix it? |
| 22:53:04 | Bagder | yes please do |
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| 22:54:34 | elinenbe | yawn... |
| 22:55:34 | elinenbe | amiconn: while you are fixing the warnings... add ogg, aac, and divx −− thanks! |
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| 22:55:54 | amiconn | elinenbe: rotfl |
| 22:56:37 | elinenbe | okay −− what about mpg and xvid then? |
| 22:57:04 | elinenbe | seriously though... what ever happened to your nice minesweeper clone? |
| 22:57:43 | amiconn | I think I have the same problem as many other people - much more ideas than spare time... |
| 22:57:50 | elinenbe | I hear you. |
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| 23:06:59 | amiconn | Grrr. The rec/fm sim warning is now fixed, but my mandelbrot yield() fix now introduced another one... |
| 23:09:31 | * | Bagder writes a new game |
| 23:10:54 | amiconn | Bagder: what game? |
| 23:10:59 | Bagder | pong! |
| 23:11:48 | amiconn | Does it use grayscale? ;) |
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| 23:12:09 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:12:17 | Bagder | but I guess we could make it |
| 23:12:28 | Bagder | fillrects only so far |
| 23:13:19 | RaZorbacK | hello i'm testing sory |
| 23:14:08 | RaZorbacK | hello i'm testing soryso how are the ppl in here? |
| 23:14:09 | Zagor | battery drain graph: http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryTest |
| 23:15:10 | Bagder | 10000% is a lot of percent ;-) |
| 23:15:26 | Zagor | heh, yeah me and gnumeric didn't get along :) |
| 23:16:00 | Bagder | Zagor: pong is _really_ fast when run locally ;-) |
| 23:16:19 | Zagor | nice! |
| 23:16:55 | amiconn | Zagor: While you are right about the pretty good linearity, the absolute values may be shifted by a considerable amount |
| 23:17:41 | amiconn | For me, Rockbox shows 100% directly after charging, then goes down to ~60% pretty fast. |
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| 23:18:16 | Zagor | this test was done after charging the batteries in an external charger. i will note that. |
| 23:18:39 | amiconn | After that, the level decreases quite linearly. If Rockbox already shows < 10% (blinking), it is possible to play music for a few more _hours_ |
| 23:19:08 | Zagor | yeah, that's my next test: run until open() fails |
| 23:19:14 | amiconn | I'm using branded (Ansmann) 2200 mAh cells |
| 23:19:25 | elinenbe | I am assuming all the documentation is moving to the wiki? |
| 23:19:32 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:19:43 | Zagor | i'm using GP cells |
| 23:19:53 | elinenbe | is there any way to export everything in the wiki to a single html file or anything like that? |
| 23:20:58 | Zagor | yes and no. |
| 23:21:09 | elinenbe | great answer! |
| 23:21:14 | Zagor | everything is stored in flat text files, so the data is easy to grab |
| 23:21:33 | Zagor | however some of the parsing twiki does is pretty advanced |
| 23:22:29 | elinenbe | I wonder what sort of battery life these would get with your plugin? http://www.thomas-distributing.com/cta-4aa2400.htm |
| 23:23:16 | elinenbe | so, what is the deal with the plugin? why does it run so long? you should just have it select a directory and play through it... |
| 23:23:39 | Zagor | yes but then it wouldn't log the battery level |
| 23:23:52 | Zagor | i don't know why it runs for so long. it's interesting. |
| 23:24:15 | Zagor | it implies some things are using more power than I thought |
| 23:24:32 | amiconn | Zagor: cpu? mas? backlight? |
| 23:24:51 | elinenbe | your plugin just uses the hard drive and the screen −− right? |
| 23:25:06 | Zagor | right. and only very rarely the screen. |
| 23:25:07 | elinenbe | you need to mimic cpu and mas access too... |
| 23:25:53 | Zagor | we can do that by making the plugin TSR, and just do logging while we play a playlist around and around |
| 23:26:16 | Zagor | but I want to dig deeper into what's not using power when the plugin runs |
| 23:26:35 | elinenbe | is there support for TSR plugins? |
| 23:26:39 | Zagor | yes |
| 23:26:50 | elinenbe | is it currently used in anything? |
| 23:27:54 | Zagor | no |
| 23:27:56 | amiconn | elinenbe: Yes, but not within plugins that are in cvs |
| 23:28:02 | Zagor | right |
| 23:29:44 | amiconn | The screen access has no measurable impact on power consuption (I measured this because grayscale heavily accesses it) |
| 23:30:29 | Zagor | uwe measured a 3-4 mA difference when playing music and being idle, so that doesn't seem to account for it either |
| 23:30:56 | Zagor | perhaps the cpu sleeping is saving more power than we think |
| 23:31:04 | amiconn | The energy consumption of the mas is listed in the data sheet. |
| 23:31:23 | * | Zagor goes to look |
| 23:31:43 | amiconn | Iirc, the cpu causes a current difference of ~10 mA between 100% load and idle |
| 23:32:40 | Zagor | absolute maximum power dissipation from the mas is 650mW |
| 23:33:36 | elinenbe | so, what is draining the batts? |
| 23:33:56 | Zagor | the cpu is using lots |
| 23:34:03 | elinenbe | what type of power drain does the amp use? |
| 23:34:39 | Zagor | it's included in the mas |
| 23:36:06 | elinenbe | ah... |
| 23:37:27 | Zagor | uh, wait a minute. isn't 650mW 130mA at 5V? |
| 23:37:44 | amiconn | it is... |
| 23:38:11 | Zagor | so the mas could definitely be the power drain |
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| 23:41:33 | amiconn | the cpu may also contribute to it. The data sheet says 60 mA typical (90 mA max) when operating, 40 mA (60 mA) in sleep mode (at 12.5 MHz) |
| 23:43:05 | RaZorbacK | :) |
| 23:45:11 | amiconn | Err. Of course it is 40 mA (70 mA) in sleep mode |
| 23:48:07 | amiconn | Bagder: Is it intentional that the link to the voice clips (both in the wiki and from the old docs page) does lead directly to a directory listing? |
| 23:48:53 | Bagder | no |
| 23:49:20 | Bagder | I blame Zagor ;-) |
| 23:49:39 | * | Bagder fixed |
| 23:49:42 | RaZorbacK | hello people, can I ask you a question about the script mp3clipgen and rockbox? sory, i'm a bit newbie and i dunno if its the right place :) |
| 23:51:07 | Bagder | you don't need to ask before you ask |
| 23:51:15 | Bagder | just ask and see if anyone knows |
| 23:52:57 | RaZorbacK | ok thank you. i've used the script to genrate the .talk file and, since i'm french, i've selected the french voice (at&t juliette) from the control pannel. but, even if i select the french voice, my .talk files are spoken by at&t chrystal voice. Am i doing something wrong? |
| 23:54:55 | amiconn | RaZorbacK: No. This is because the script does select an english voice by default. |
| 23:55:06 | Bagder | and we have a commit |
| 23:55:09 | amiconn | If you want to change this, you have two options. |
| 23:56:11 | amiconn | Either change the language id the script selects to french, or take the selection out completely. |
| 23:56:42 | amiconn | The script will use the default voice selected from the control panel in the latter case. |
| 23:56:43 | * | Zagor bows to Bagder's pong greatness |
| 23:56:59 | Bagder | its actually somewhat playable in the sim ;-) |
| 23:57:26 | Zagor | oh, by the way, i think splash() bugs if you put % in the format string |
| 23:57:30 | RaZorbacK | ok thanks for the precision: what do you mean by "take the selection completely?" |
| 23:58:17 | amiconn | If you open the script in a text editor, go to line 115. There you'll find the instruction "Set spkr.Voice = spkr.GetVoices("Language=409").Item(0)" |
| 23:58:51 | amiconn | If you want to take out the language selection completely, change this to "Set spkr.Voice = spkr.GetVoices("").Item(0)" |
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