| 00:00:01 | Bagder | Zagor: splash takes a printf() set |
| 00:00:06 | Bagder | % should be %% |
| 00:00:21 | Zagor | it is |
| 00:00:30 | Bagder | no |
| 00:00:31 | Zagor | no it's not... sorry |
| 00:01:45 | RaZorbacK | ok so you mean that if i take out the selection, the manual selection will be used? |
| 00:02:03 | amiconn | yup |
| 00:02:10 | RaZorbacK | i mean from the control pannel? |
| 00:02:16 | RaZorbacK | ok |
| 00:02:27 | RaZorbacK | many thanks, i'll try that |
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| 00:03:25 | RaZorbacK | finally, thank you to the devs who have provided to access a jukebox for blind users. I was waiting for that, thats why the voice feature is so important |
| 00:07:55 | amiconn | RaZorbacK: The hexadecimal language id for French is 40C |
| 00:08:44 | RaZorbacK | ho thanks, I was just loking for it on... google :) |
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| 00:20:52 | Bagder | hi hardeep |
| 00:21:14 | amiconn | Bagder: Pong causes compile errors... |
| 00:21:38 | Bagder | yeps |
| 00:21:43 | Bagder | fixes made |
| 00:21:50 | midk|gone | pong??! |
| 00:21:53 | Bagder | me stupid |
| 00:21:59 | midk|gone | yay |
| 00:22:04 | midk|gone | did you write it bagder? |
| 00:22:05 | hardeep | hey |
| 00:22:08 | Bagder | I did |
| 00:22:12 | midk|gone | nice work |
| 00:22:15 | Bagder | this afternoon |
| 00:22:17 | Zagor | it's nice, at least in the sim :) |
| 00:22:17 | midk|gone | i was writing breakout... |
| 00:23:06 | Bagder | pong is a lot easier |
| 00:23:08 | Bagder | to write |
| 00:23:26 | midk|gone | yes, i have breakout fairly *done*, i just have to do collision detection which is a lot harder |
| 00:23:52 | Zagor | whoa, you can get the ball to move pretty fast in pong! |
| 00:23:58 | Bagder | yeps |
| 00:24:00 | Zagor | uncatchably fast :) |
| 00:24:04 | Bagder | yeps |
| 00:24:05 | midk|gone | do the paddles move fairly fast? |
| 00:24:06 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:24:29 | Bagder | Zagor: it needs a little adjusting on the collision => new angle/speed algorithm |
| 00:24:39 | midk|gone | i see it's two player −− is there a one player mode too? |
| 00:24:44 | Bagder | no |
| 00:24:51 | Zagor | Bagder: i want an AI. i have no friends. |
| 00:24:59 | midk|gone | lol |
| 00:25:01 | Bagder | use two hands! |
| 00:25:03 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:25:10 | midk|gone | sounds fun.. |
| 00:26:13 | midk|gone | wow. i should have done pong instead. |
| 00:26:21 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:26:23 | midk|gone | i already have a pong engine, really.. |
| 00:26:26 | Bagder | feel free to improve mine |
| 00:26:33 | midk|gone | *implements logo selector |
| 00:26:36 | midk|gone | tada |
| 00:26:39 | amiconn | Bagder: Why do you use 112/64 and not LCD_WIDTH/LCD_HEIGHT ? |
| 00:27:10 | midk|gone | i think i had a dream that i was coding for rockbox |
| 00:27:24 | midk|gone | my clock update.. |
| 00:27:26 | midk|gone | and i was like |
| 00:27:30 | midk|gone | "hey it works!" |
| 00:28:45 | amiconn | midk|gone: still gone? |
| 00:29:00 | midk|gone | oops |
| 00:29:02 | | Nick midk|gone is now known as midk (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
| 00:29:03 | midk | :) |
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| 00:37:04 | Bagder | amiconn: I wasn't sure those defines were present in the plugins |
| 00:38:20 | amiconn | They are, I use them e.g. in the grayscale lib |
| 00:45:49 | elinenbe | Bagder: I think that game should be grayscale. |
| 00:45:50 | elinenbe | :) |
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| 00:46:07 | Bagder | feel free to improve! ;-) |
| 00:46:32 | Bagder | the ball and pads could in fact be grayscale |
| 00:50:10 | Zagor | i think the ball should bounce on the pads instead of the wall ;) |
| 00:50:26 | Bagder | feel free to improve! ;-) |
| 00:50:31 | midk | my breakout is grayscale |
| 00:50:47 | Bagder | Zagor: it does bounce on the pads and not the wall |
| 00:50:56 | Bagder | but it could be better |
| 00:51:19 | midk | the controls sound a bit fiddly |
| 00:51:27 | midk | but i forgive you |
| 00:51:42 | Bagder | sound? |
| 00:53:09 | Bagder | sleep time |
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| 00:58:08 | midk | slt? |
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| 01:26:56 | elinenbe | midk: you have a pong game too? |
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| 01:27:08 | midk | breakout... not finished |
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| 01:38:15 | Zagor | bed time |
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| 04:01:10 | midknight2k3 | hi bc |
| 04:01:18 | BlueChip | hey |
| 04:01:36 | midknight2k3 | how are you? |
| 04:01:41 | BlueChip | linus has been busy - just had to update the devkit for the second time this week |
| 04:01:51 | BlueChip | very sneezy today |
| 04:02:01 | midknight2k3 | quite tired for some reason |
| 04:02:11 | BlueChip | went to the cinema, they have air conditioners |
| 04:02:36 | midknight2k3 | tomorrow is the last day of school for 3 months −− i plan to board up my boor and lock my window and live off my pc for the next few months |
| 04:02:44 | BlueChip | what do you use for a rockbox dev kit under windows? |
| 04:02:50 | midknight2k3 | yours! |
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| 04:03:01 | BlueChip | lol :) |
| 04:03:06 | midknight2k3 | although checkout seems busted |
| 04:03:16 | BlueChip | I vaguely recall you mentioning something about a full cygwin install |
| 04:03:25 | BlueChip | must have been some1 else |
| 04:03:29 | BlueChip | what is bust? |
| 04:03:30 | midknight2k3 | i used to do that... i have no reason to anymore |
| 04:03:33 | midknight2k3 | broken |
| 04:05:05 | midknight2k3 | i think i'll try and set up your devkit tonight, so i can finish my clock update, and move on |
| 04:05:46 | BlueChip | there is a weird problem with the win32sim in the latest tarball |
| 04:05:59 | midknight2k3 | ?> |
| 04:06:49 | BlueChip | gpf's in one of the sim routines - afiact, sim_readdir is returning a werid value |
| 04:07:03 | BlueChip | "46" for the record |
| 04:07:24 | BlueChip | and this line: strcpy(secret.d_name, x11->d_name); gpfs |
| 04:07:43 | midknight2k3 | it's broken. |
| 04:07:49 | midknight2k3 | that's my advice |
| 04:07:55 | midknight2k3 | would you like to pay for it or get it free? |
| 04:07:55 | BlueChip | thanks |
| 04:08:18 | BlueChip | anyway, back to tracing the cause of the crash.... |
| 04:08:22 | midknight2k3 | i offer you a free option because i know for a fact that you are capable of doing something to me |
| 04:08:33 | midknight2k3 | for most i'd charge... a bit of money for that |
| 04:08:44 | BlueChip | lol |
| 04:09:53 | midknight2k3 | you know you're tired when you try pressing "ALT + CAPS LOCK" to switch programs. |
| 04:10:08 | BlueChip | lol |
| 04:10:19 | midknight2k3 | ok back to bullet time |
| 04:10:26 | BlueChip | no keyboard buffer full alarm clock then? |
| 04:10:35 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 04:10:50 | BlueChip | try falling alseep on your kbd sometime |
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| 04:24:59 | billytwowilly | if I'm trying to send some songs to my archos jukeobx 6000 from linux with the 2.6 kernel is it normal for the transfer to stall for a while? |
| 04:26:48 | BlueChip | sorry, i endure windows |
| 04:26:56 | billytwowilly | hehe;) |
| 04:27:19 | billytwowilly | I remember banging my head against the wall because the windows drivers sucked;) Of course, this was several years ago. |
| 04:27:38 | billytwowilly | I haven't used my rockbox for a while because the hard drive was butched. |
| 04:27:44 | BlueChip | lol - now you're doing the same over some other OS ....the circle of life, and all that - lol |
| 04:28:00 | billytwowilly | But now I upgraded the hard drive. |
| 04:28:17 | BlueChip | dont suppose you're good with C are you? |
| 04:28:38 | billytwowilly | actually, I was just impatient. I should have waited another minute because it's started up again. Seems to stall lots the first time, then stall for smaller amounts of time during the upload |
| 04:28:58 | billytwowilly | heh, I don't program no good;) |
| 04:29:12 | BlueChip | if you are on usb 1.1 you will notice the dealy as (i suspect) it caches the fat |
| 04:29:35 | billytwowilly | yep. usb 1.1. So that's the culprit. |
| 04:29:39 | billytwowilly | fantabulous. |
| 04:29:44 | billytwowilly | atleast it completes;) |
| 04:29:54 | BlueChip | 2.0 is worth the £5 upgrade |
| 04:30:11 | billytwowilly | I'm really happy I transfered my mp3s over before I put the hard drive in;) |
| 04:30:20 | billytwowilly | the 6000 doesn't support 2.0. |
| 04:30:20 | BlueChip | oh yes |
| 04:30:30 | BlueChip | ah sorry |
| 04:30:34 | billytwowilly | but my laptop will have 2.0 when I get it in august. |
| 04:30:49 | BlueChip | it'll make a good walkman |
| 04:31:31 | billytwowilly | yah. I needed something for running. I looked at the flash players and the cheapest one that would work was 170 CAD. a 20 gig laptop drive was 125 CAD;) |
| 04:31:35 | billytwowilly | so upgrade it was. |
| 04:31:54 | BlueChip | :) |
| 04:32:09 | billytwowilly | anyhoo, I'm off to go run now that my mp3s are transfered;) |
| 04:32:15 | billytwowilly | good luck with your C problem. |
| 04:32:16 | billytwowilly | cheers |
| 04:32:42 | BlueChip | byee |
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| 04:44:43 | midk | hi bcbc |
| 04:46:24 | BlueChip | nods |
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| 07:12:34 | midk | OK THAT'S IT |
| 07:12:47 | midk | *makes a mental promise to finish clock update by july |
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| 07:30:29 | LinusN | july, ok :-) |
| 07:30:37 | midk | :D |
| 07:30:43 | midk | maybe i'll bump that to august.. |
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| 08:34:03 | BlueChip | Linus, got a few minutes to chat about the win32sim? |
| 08:34:28 | midk | linusn |
| 08:39:03 | LinusN | sure |
| 08:39:30 | BlueChip | I've grabbed the three .h files, and all compiles well, but the sim is gpf'ing |
| 08:39:47 | BlueChip | I've also tried a new cygwin download, and the sim under that simply exits |
| 08:41:00 | BlueChip | I've tried to trace the gpf, but get as far as one line, and am not sure where the code goes |
| 08:42:58 | LinusN | weird |
| 08:44:08 | * | LinusN is compiling the latest CVS win32 simulator |
| 08:44:35 | BlueChip | my base test has been the 16/06 tarball |
| 08:45:16 | BlueChip | sadly I cannot test from cvs :( |
| 08:45:58 | LinusN | why not? |
| 08:46:11 | midk | YAY |
| 08:46:15 | BlueChip | never managed to suss cvs! :( |
| 08:46:20 | midk | MY CAT BULLET TIME IMAGE IS NEARLY COMPLETE |
| 08:46:23 | midk | i shall render it overnight. |
| 08:47:11 | LinusN | the 16/6 tarball should work, iirc |
| 08:47:44 | LinusN | which part of cvs is a problem for you? |
| 08:49:07 | BlueChip | I think expereince mainly ...Tried several different peoples' systems ...never managed to get anything that works |
| 08:49:29 | BlueChip | but daily tarball works well, so that's cool |
| 08:49:50 | LinusN | not sussing cvs is bad for you :-) |
| 08:50:45 | BlueChip | Maybe I will look at it again once I get the sim working again |
| 08:51:23 | LinusN | what did you do to trace the gpf? |
| 08:51:29 | LinusN | gdb? |
| 08:51:32 | BlueChip | printf |
| 08:53:42 | LinusN | try running uisw32.exe with gdb |
| 08:53:48 | LinusN | gdb uisw32.exe |
| 08:53:56 | LinusN | then "run" |
| 08:54:22 | BlueChip | that would need to be done with the version that just cacks out - the one that gpfs is built with the devkit with no gdb |
| 08:55:52 | LinusN | a devkit with no gdb? come on... |
| 08:56:26 | BlueChip | nobody that uses it has ever shown the slightest interest |
| 08:57:22 | BlueChip | in fact the v2 devkit has received some mighty flattering feedback |
| 08:57:57 | LinusN | good for you |
| 08:58:08 | LinusN | ok, let's find the sim crash then |
| 08:58:43 | BlueChip | app_main calls browse_root |
| 08:58:45 | LinusN | first of all, have you tried to add all versions of the .h files that were missing in your devkit? |
| 08:59:02 | BlueChip | I have tried about 6 different versions |
| 08:59:25 | BlueChip | (i started counting and lost interest after awhile) |
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| 09:00:09 | LinusN | i assume that it is the simulated file/dir API that crashes on you |
| 09:00:17 | BlueChip | yes |
| 09:01:00 | BlueChip | the line that crashes is |
| 09:01:03 | LinusN | as an experiment, try adding *all* header files to your devkit, make clean and run it |
| 09:01:19 | BlueChip | strcpy(secret.d_name, x11->d_name); |
| 09:01:28 | BlueChip | in sim_readdir |
| 09:01:48 | BlueChip | (int)x11->dname == 46 |
| 09:02:13 | BlueChip | i believe the problem to be caused by: x11 = (readdir)(dir->dir); |
| 09:02:24 | BlueChip | but I have no idea where that call is redirected to |
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| 09:02:42 | midk | YAY |
| 09:02:46 | BlueChip | there are no required header files missing |
| 09:02:46 | midk | bagder is just in time to see my picture |
| 09:02:55 | midk | input? |
| 09:02:56 | midk | http://www.freewebs.com/midky/bullet%2Dtime%2Dcat.jpg |
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| 09:03:32 | Bagder | weird |
| 09:03:35 | | Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 09:03:39 | midk | weird? lol |
| 09:03:41 | LinusN | BlueChip: the include path may play some tricks on you |
| 09:03:45 | midk | zagor: http://www.freewebs.com/midky/bullet%2Dtime%2Dcat.jpg |
| 09:04:02 | LinusN | midk: nice |
| 09:04:09 | BlueChip | lol - cool |
| 09:04:32 | midk | other than a source of the bullets, what's it need. |
| 09:04:42 | LinusN | fur |
| 09:04:47 | midk | *jumps |
| 09:04:49 | Zagor | waving in the wind |
| 09:04:59 | Bagder | and sound! |
| 09:05:01 | midk | lol zagor.. that's a bit harder |
| 09:05:03 | Bagder | :*] |
| 09:05:11 | midk | oh yeah.. let's just ask for me to recreate the matrix from scratch |
| 09:05:16 | Zagor | and a two-hour movie |
| 09:05:17 | Bagder | yes please |
| 09:05:22 | * | Bagder grins |
| 09:05:22 | LinusN | as a plugin |
| 09:05:27 | midk | i can do a two hour movie |
| 09:05:28 | midk | as a plugin |
| 09:05:33 | midk | it will be 1x1 pixel |
| 09:05:37 | midk | *runs to textpad |
| 09:05:42 | midk | lol |
| 09:05:52 | midk | sleep(HZ*60*120) |
| 09:06:04 | midk | rather, lcd_drawpixel(5, 5); |
| 09:06:06 | midk | sleep(HZ*60*120); |
| 09:06:12 | Bagder | so anyone loaded pong on target yet? |
| 09:06:16 | midk | NOT I SIR! |
| 09:06:18 | LinusN | not yet |
| 09:06:28 | LinusN | BlueChip: do this: |
| 09:06:30 | LinusN | cd / |
| 09:06:37 | LinusN | find . -name dirent.h |
| 09:07:02 | BlueChip | ./usr/include/mingw/dirent.h |
| 09:07:02 | BlueChip | ./usr/include/sys/dirent.h |
| 09:07:02 | BlueChip | ./usr/include/dirent.h |
| 09:07:41 | LinusN | and they are the respective files from the standard cygwin installation? |
| 09:08:23 | BlueChip | the second two are those which were selected by filemon when devzer0 did the original trim down |
| 09:08:34 | BlueChip | the mingw one has been added by me |
| 09:10:34 | LinusN | ok, but they have the same contents as the cygwin installation |
| 09:10:36 | LinusN | ? |
| 09:10:46 | BlueChip | they are all three FROM cygwin.com |
| 09:10:51 | LinusN | ok |
| 09:12:06 | LinusN | i find it odd that it doesn't work with the "real" cygwin installation |
| 09:12:11 | LinusN | for you |
| 09:12:34 | BlueChip | yes, very weird, maybe it is a 98 issue, as it was okay for mk under xp |
| 09:13:20 | LinusN | ah, i haven't tried on win98 for a long time |
| 09:13:24 | BlueChip | btw. the instructions on the rb page are out-dated |
| 09:13:34 | LinusN | what instructions? |
| 09:14:02 | BlueChip | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/cygwin_sdk.html |
| 09:14:12 | Bagder | they are updated now |
| 09:14:16 | Bagder | in twiki |
| 09:14:20 | Bagder | c0utta used them yday |
| 09:14:31 | LinusN | what was wrong? |
| 09:14:40 | Bagder | a name of a package was changed |
| 09:14:43 | BlueChip | package listing is wrong |
| 09:14:51 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 09:14:54 | BlueChip | eg there is no "gcc-mingw-core" |
| 09:15:27 | BlueChip | they seem to have renamed things |
| 09:15:47 | BlueChip | iirc gcc-mingw-runtime is now mingw-runtime |
| 09:16:09 | Bagder | that one is updated in the docs |
| 09:16:09 | BlueChip | there was (iirc) no "patchutils" |
| 09:16:33 | Bagder | hm |
| 09:16:39 | Bagder | I see a gcc-mingw-core |
| 09:16:46 | BlueChip | weird |
| 09:17:01 | Bagder | hm |
| 09:17:02 | Bagder | no |
| 09:17:07 | Bagder | I bet that's the one I installed |
| 09:17:12 | Bagder | when it was named like that |
| 09:18:22 | BlueChip | yes, just double checked at programming.ccp14.ac.uk |
| 09:18:51 | BlueChip | (on the official cygwin list) |
| 09:18:57 | BlueChip | brb |
| 09:19:30 | BlueChip | wrong number |
| 09:20:37 | BlueChip | also if I compile convbdf with the latest cygwin it suffers an allocation error |
| 09:20:38 | * | LinusN is reinstalling by the instructions |
| 09:21:18 | BlueChip | convbdf that is, not cygwin |
| 09:22:01 | LinusN | BlueChip: there is a gcc-mingw-runtime *and* a mingw-runtime, which is automatically selected when you select gcc-mingw-runtime |
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| 09:22:31 | mattzz | mooooorning. |
| 09:22:33 | LinusN | and yes, there is a patch-utils package |
| 09:22:46 | LinusN | patchutils, sorry |
| 09:22:57 | midk | http://3dcafe.com/thumb/bullet.jpg |
| 09:23:01 | midk | does this look like a better bullet |
| 09:23:15 | BlueChip | ok, I'm going mad ...patchutils is not under devel? |
| 09:23:20 | LinusN | yes it is |
| 09:23:35 | BlueChip | which mirror are you using? |
| 09:23:38 | LinusN | which mirror are you using? |
| 09:23:40 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:23:44 | midk | LOL |
| 09:23:45 | LinusN | ftp.sunet.se |
| 09:23:51 | DBUG | Sent KICK BlueChip to server |
| 09:23:51 | BlueChip | programming.ccp14.ac.uk |
| 09:23:52 | Kick | (#rockbox BlueChip :Colourcodes are *not* appreciated here!) by logbot!~bjst@193.15.23.131 |
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| 09:24:37 | BlueChip | sorry, my client just hiccuped, can you repeat that mirror please? |
| 09:25:31 | LinusN | ftp.sunet.se |
| 09:25:40 | BlueChip | ta |
| 09:28:10 | BlueChip | ftp://ftp.sunet.se ftp.sunet.se and ftp://sunet.se all give me "cannot open setup.bz2" |
| 09:28:29 | LinusN | http://ftp.sunet.se |
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| 09:28:49 | LinusN | it's in the mirror list |
| 09:30:20 | BlueChip | weird - works if I select it, not if I type it in |
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| 09:30:51 | BlueChip | ookkaaayyy, this is VERY different |
| 09:31:04 | LinusN | i think you're supposed to add a path, which is hidden in the mirror list |
| 09:31:35 | BlueChip | right - I'm gonna scrub down and start again with this site |
| 09:31:36 | LinusN | is programming.ccp14.ac.uk in the mirror list? |
| 09:31:54 | BlueChip | yeah, I just picked it cos it was .ac.uk |
| 09:32:13 | LinusN | then the deserve a good spanking for not having the correct stuff |
| 09:32:20 | BlueChip | yes |
| 09:32:24 | Zagor | what's "ac" by the way? I've seen co and org. |
| 09:32:33 | BlueChip | academic, universities mainly |
| 09:32:35 | Zagor | ah |
| 09:32:43 | BlueChip | on super-janet so very fast |
| 09:34:25 | Zagor | chucks, we only have normal-janet here :( |
| 09:34:55 | BlueChip | :( ...but I'll trade "super" for "getting out of the uk" any day - lol |
| 09:39:48 | BlueChip | "gcc-mingw-runtime" should read "mingw-runtime: MinGW Runtime" yes? |
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| 09:44:12 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:44:44 | BlueChip | thanks, just to be sure ;) |
| 09:45:34 | BlueChip | should I need the sh1 tools installed to build the sim? |
| 09:45:42 | Bagder | nope |
| 09:45:43 | LinusN | not necessary |
| 09:45:56 | BlueChip | thanks |
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| 09:53:03 | Doensen | hoi |
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| 09:54:09 | Bagder | hi |
| 09:54:14 | BlueChip | "Running... No package .../etc/postinstall/base-files-profile.sh" ...seems to have hung |
| 09:54:15 | | Quit RaZorbacK () |
| 09:55:01 | Bagder | Zagor: how do I create an automated index in twiki to list/link to plugin-pages? |
| 09:55:01 | LinusN | BlueChip: wow |
| 09:55:24 | LinusN | BlueChip: you are on win98? |
| 09:55:29 | BlueChip | yes |
| 09:55:32 | BlueChip | se |
| 09:55:51 | midk|SLEEPIN-YO | nite bc, linus, bagder, zagor |
| 09:55:56 | BlueChip | (it's still sitting there ...I'll give it another minute or two) |
| 09:55:58 | BlueChip | nite mk |
| 09:56:35 | Zagor | Bagder: add a line "CategoryPlugin: <description>" to each plugin page, then copy&modify the search command from the WebHome page. |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:01 | Bagder | works |
| 10:02:15 | BlueChip | righty - I closed setup, it then said "install complete" (yes in that order) ...I reran setup ...did reinstall everything from disk ....install completed :) |
| 10:03:01 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:10:37 | BlueChip | holy b'jeezuz |
| 10:10:54 | BlueChip | I think I will be reporting that .ac.uk site to cygwin |
| 10:12:02 | BlueChip | I highly suugest you update your instructions to specify the use of the .se site |
| 10:12:24 | Bagder | BlueChip: you can update too now ;-) |
| 10:13:17 | BlueChip | update? |
| 10:13:23 | Bagder | the docs |
| 10:13:38 | Bagder | the docs is now in a wiki |
| 10:13:43 | LinusN | i just discovered some really annoying "features" with the lassauge.free.fr mirror :-( |
| 10:13:43 | BlueChip | ah! |
| 10:13:59 | BlueChip | oh yes? I'm just about to do that bit |
| 10:14:04 | LinusN | every goddamn package gets preselected |
| 10:14:09 | Bagder | haha |
| 10:14:15 | BlueChip | ah, yes |
| 10:14:25 | Bagder | loooots of packages |
| 10:14:33 | BlueChip | not tooo many |
| 10:14:51 | Bagder | then you get curl, and that's good for you! ;-P |
| 10:14:59 | BlueChip | lol |
| 10:15:34 | BlueChip | tried to sub to the cvs mailing list the other night and stumbled across your other projects |
| 10:16:28 | Bagder | we keep busy |
| 10:21:27 | BlueChip | oh! The docs page has lost it's index :( |
| 10:21:56 | Bagder | which docs page? |
| 10:22:22 | BlueChip | docs from the main page |
| 10:22:28 | Zagor | you mean the left-side menu? |
| 10:22:39 | Bagder | it links to the twiki page now |
| 10:22:41 | Zagor | that's because it's a twiki page, which don't have that yet |
| 10:22:49 | BlueChip | righty |
| 10:23:12 | Bagder | I guess those pages should have a left-side menu too |
| 10:23:21 | Zagor | yes, i think so too |
| 10:23:30 | BlueChip | it looks nice WITH |
| 10:23:33 | BlueChip | imho |
| 10:23:45 | Bagder | yeps |
| 10:24:10 | Bagder | it would make the twiki get a more integrated feel |
| 10:26:27 | * | LinusN contacted eric regarding the cygwin packages |
| 10:30:25 | dwihno | Any of you guys have ghostscript experience? |
| 10:30:32 | dwihno | (mostly regarding ps2pdf) |
| 10:30:45 | LinusN | my experience is that it only works if you're lucky |
| 10:31:18 | LinusN | i've had many head scratching hours with ps2pdf |
| 10:31:21 | Bagder | it works fine with non-complex ps in my experience |
| 10:31:40 | Bagder | as in my man => ps => pdf conversions |
| 10:31:57 | LinusN | it starts getting messy when you want to use non-bitmapped fonts |
| 10:32:54 | LinusN | dwihno: dod you have a question, or were you just doing a survey of our skills? |
| 10:33:31 | BlueChip | wow - remind me to get the sh1 tools first next time - that was horrific |
| 10:34:05 | LinusN | indeed, i have contacted him about it |
| 10:34:06 | | Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~c2af7556@reladm.kharkov.net) |
| 10:35:42 | [IDC]Dragon | good morning! |
| 10:35:54 | Bagder | hi jörg! |
| 10:35:59 | BlueChip | top o' der mornin' to yer |
| 10:36:38 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Daniel, hi BC |
| 10:37:21 | [IDC]Dragon | can somebody tell me the compiled size of settings_reset()? (from a mapfile at hand) |
| 10:37:28 | BlueChip | does anyone here sub to a cygwin mailing list? |
| 10:37:52 | dwihno | LinusN: Well, I do. I want to make ghostscript downsample images and can't find any information about compression etc. |
| 10:37:54 | * | [IDC]Dragon has no SH environment here |
| 10:38:46 | BlueChip | 0x0900ba50 settings_apply_pm_range |
| 10:38:46 | BlueChip | 0x0900d9cc settings_reset |
| 10:38:46 | BlueChip | 0x0900dbf4 set_int |
| 10:40:17 | [IDC]Dragon | so 0xDBF4 - 0xD9CC = 0x228 = 552 bytes |
| 10:40:45 | BlueChip | check |
| 10:40:53 | [IDC]Dragon | if set_int() is really right behind settings_reset() |
| 10:41:58 | BlueChip | no other occurence of 0x0900d in the file |
| 10:42:29 | BlueChip | (outside that immediate list of procs) |
| 10:43:12 | BlueChip | oh no, hang on ...this is weird |
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| 10:45:57 | LinusN | dwihno: then you're on your own, i don't know anything about that |
| 10:46:05 | Bagder | 1 - you lock the target 2 - you bate the line 3 - you slowly spread the net 4 - you catch the man |
| 10:46:24 | Bagder | just so that you know |
| 10:46:43 | dwihno | LinusN: Thanks anyways. |
| 10:47:20 | BlueChip | the procs seem out of order, after some shuffling.... |
| 10:47:25 | BlueChip | 0x0900d1b8 settings_save_config |
| 10:47:26 | BlueChip | 0x0900d9cc settings_reset |
| 10:47:26 | BlueChip | 0x0900db54 set_bool |
| 10:47:53 | Zagor | Bagder: will you put that in a twiki page? |
| 10:48:10 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 10:48:21 | Bagder | the 242 page |
| 10:49:53 | [IDC]Dragon | BlueChip: 392 bytes then |
| 10:50:57 | BlueChip | yes, that seems a little more likely doesn't it? :) |
| 10:51:24 | [IDC]Dragon | can't tell |
| 10:52:02 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm evaluating if I should add another column to my settings table, containing the default |
| 10:52:20 | amiconn | hi all |
| 10:52:24 | BlueChip | hi ami |
| 10:52:36 | [IDC]Dragon | that would get us rid of that code, but add 82*4 bytes |
| 10:52:38 | BlueChip | [IDC]Dragon: I placed default stuff in my code |
| 10:52:45 | [IDC]Dragon | which is about the same |
| 10:53:08 | BlueChip | it's a small saving :) |
| 10:54:11 | amiconn | BlueChip, LinusN: I'll try to build a cygwin environment similar to my WinXP one on Win98, to help sorting out the sim problem |
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| 10:54:29 | BlueChip | I think we may have found it |
| 10:54:39 | Zagor | wee, left menus |
| 10:54:48 | BlueChip | it seems okay if you install from a specific server |
| 10:56:01 | BlueChip | it's quite a different install of cygwin all together |
| 10:56:04 | Bagder | wohooo |
| 10:56:32 | BlueChip | Zagor: MUCH nicer :) |
| 10:56:56 | Bagder | Zagor: then you can remove the logo from the twiki-side |
| 10:57:00 | Zagor | yup, on my way |
| 10:57:17 | Bagder | can you remove the "Rockbox" text link too? |
| 10:57:26 | Bagder | its the same as the Main one and seems redundant |
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| 10:58:18 | Zagor | try the Register link. then it's not the same. |
| 10:58:36 | Bagder | true |
| 10:58:36 | zentenga | is there an rockbox version for the archos av340 |
| 10:58:41 | Zagor | zentenga: no |
| 10:58:42 | Bagder | zentenga: no |
| 10:58:45 | BlueChip | lol |
| 10:58:54 | BlueChip | avos.sourceforge |
| 10:58:57 | Zagor | there is a hacking project at avos.sf.net |
| 10:59:07 | zentenga | damn... rockbox is great! |
| 10:59:29 | BlueChip | the more help they get the faster rckbox will be running on it ;) |
| 10:59:51 | zentenga | well i guess i will have to div einto some code |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:22 | Zagor | as I understand it, they are not aiming to make Rockbox run on it. they are aiming to run linux on it. |
| 11:00:40 | BlueChip | what a shame |
| 11:00:54 | Zagor | but that doesn't mean we cannot use their research to port rockbox |
| 11:01:14 | BlueChip | add another few hours to the day - lol |
| 11:01:31 | Zagor | yeah... isn't there an expansion kit I can buy? |
| 11:01:38 | [IDC]Dragon | My new table-driven settings code seems to work! |
| 11:01:46 | BlueChip | if you find one for sale, buy two :D |
| 11:01:59 | [IDC]Dragon | (not too exciting, I admit) |
| 11:02:09 | BlueChip | but kewl none-the-less |
| 11:02:19 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 11:02:24 | Bagder | my start at plugin-docs |
| 11:03:37 | [IDC]Dragon | I've written something about the flash plugins |
| 11:04:03 | BlueChip | yes, that was a good doc, I meant to comment on that :) |
| 11:04:12 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox |
| 11:04:33 | Zagor | just add a CategoryPlugin to it, and i'll show up on the plugin page |
| 11:04:46 | BlueChip | Might I suggest considering a format for the docs |
| 11:04:57 | [IDC]Dragon | I need to update it, with the plugin browsing and stuff |
| 11:05:05 | BlueChip | maybe, title, classification, author, etc |
| 11:05:07 | Bagder | Zagor: I think its better to add a new page for the plugin that links to the main flash page |
| 11:05:12 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: feel free :) |
| 11:05:24 | Zagor | Bagder: we have a main flash page? |
| 11:05:35 | BlueChip | lol |
| 11:05:52 | Bagder | that FlashingRockbox one |
| 11:05:54 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm a twiki rookie |
| 11:06:17 | Bagder | [IDC]Dragon: you'll learn, it's quite easy |
| 11:06:44 | Zagor | Bagder: ah, now i understand what you meant. yeah, that's probably better |
| 11:06:59 | [IDC]Dragon | how do I add a category? |
| 11:07:25 | | Nick mattzz|away is now known as mattzz (~c2af7555@c227176.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 11:07:35 | Zagor | categories are just keywords, and then a search function on the index page. |
| 11:07:43 | [IDC]Dragon | here comes Mr. twiki |
| 11:07:48 | mattzz | :-) |
| 11:08:08 | Zagor | so just add a keyword (start it with "Category" to make it obvious) and then copy the search expression on the WebHome page |
| 11:09:08 | [IDC]Dragon | add the keyword where? |
| 11:10:01 | Zagor | in the page you want indexed |
| 11:10:15 | [IDC]Dragon | well, later. now is not the time for that. |
| 11:10:31 | Zagor | right. start slow :) |
| 11:11:33 | Zagor | the "view raw" link at the bottom is useful for seeing how various constructs are written |
| 11:11:45 | BlueChip | is there any way to stop the compile endlessly complaining about missing "lang.h" file? |
| 11:12:06 | Zagor | filter it ;) |
| 11:12:22 | BlueChip | lol |
| 11:13:17 | Bagder | the dep stuff we use is rather... crude |
| 11:13:39 | Zagor | yeah |
| 11:14:53 | BlueChip | the errors just catch my eye as they fly up the screen - always worried there might be a real one in there somewhere |
| 11:15:04 | [IDC]Dragon | I think twiky tremendously lowers the barrier to write and update documentation, could cause a positive doc "explosion" |
| 11:16:00 | BlueChip | Must keep it indexed well, that will be the key to it being useful |
| 11:16:58 | mattzz | amicon: are you reading? |
| 11:27:41 | mattzz | Zagor: I like the way you integrated the twiki into the rockbox.haxx.se site (menus on the left) |
| 11:27:47 | Zagor | thanks |
| 11:28:12 | Zagor | do you mind if I recompress your mandebrot plugin screenshot? 350 KB is a bit big, I think |
| 11:28:25 | mattzz | ups - yes please |
| 11:28:41 | mattzz | I forgot: fractal structures are hard to compress ;-) |
| 11:28:46 | Zagor | haha |
| 11:28:50 | amiconn | mattzz: I'm here |
| 11:28:52 | mattzz | the old entropy story again |
| 11:29:16 | [IDC]Dragon | use fractal compression ;-) |
| 11:29:17 | mattzz | amiconn: thanks for putting yield() in mandelbrot - I had this on my list |
| 11:29:49 | [IDC]Dragon | probably not necessary for _every_ tick |
| 11:31:50 | amiconn | mattzz: No prob, although this required a bit of testing how often a yield() is necessary (see yesterday's irc log) |
| 11:32:20 | BlueChip | how long between mp3 buffer refils has been my only answer to that one |
| 11:33:58 | BlueChip | any idea how much a typical yield() will cost? |
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| 11:36:59 | amiconn | BlueChip: It's not as simple as using only one yield - the buffer refill will also yield frequently. |
| 11:37:17 | BlueChip | yes, good point |
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| 11:37:55 | BlueChip | to be honest, in my apps, I consider audio to be the PRIME objective, and yield to it abundantly |
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| 11:38:07 | BlueChip | (well, since I noticed the problem anyway) |
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| 11:39:46 | mattzz | Zagor: check RecentChanges, what do you think of %INCLUDING% that somewhere on WebHome? |
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| 11:40:59 | Zagor | there, 47 KB is more like it... |
| 11:41:08 | Zagor | yes, i'm planning that |
| 11:41:22 | Zagor | png is not best for all images, you know... ;) |
| 11:47:51 | dwihno | Customers are pains in the ass. |
| 11:49:58 | dwihno | When you work your entire (huge) ass off just to make their stuff work (since they have not been co-operating at all), all you get is complaints |
| 11:50:01 | dwihno | :[ |
| 11:51:22 | Zagor | "you are only making rubbish" |
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| 11:53:36 | mattzz | LinusN: how about adding the wiki-launch to the news section? |
| 11:55:52 | LinusN | soon |
| 12:00 |
| 12:02:02 | mattzz | I made a proposal for WebHome |
| 12:02:45 | mattzz | please feel free to modify, delete, ... it |
| 12:03:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:12:22 | BC|bbs | Linus, the recommended cygwin downloads does not include zip.exe |
| 12:12:47 | | Nick BC|bbs is now known as BlueChip (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) |
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| 12:21:07 | LinusN | BlueChip: zip added, thx |
| 12:24:34 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 12:28:30 | BlueChip | sorry linus, just did a make install, and that requires "Archive - unzip" |
| 12:31:28 | Bagder | hehe, I was just gonna ask |
| 12:32:39 | BlueChip | get to see what it does now |
| 12:33:00 | BlueChip | ahhaa! |
| 12:33:19 | BlueChip | it should do that by default :) |
| 12:33:26 | Bagder | do what? |
| 12:33:44 | BlueChip | sim make should put everything in the right place as it compiles |
| 12:33:52 | Bagder | I disagree |
| 12:33:58 | Bagder | obviously |
| 12:34:00 | BlueChip | lol |
| 12:34:03 | BlueChip | indeed |
| 12:34:14 | Bagder | I often make my 'archos' dir a symlink |
| 12:34:24 | Bagder | to point out my "actual" mp3 collection |
| 12:34:35 | Bagder | I wouldn't want my sim files pollute that |
| 12:35:02 | BlueChip | hm, but not much help if writing plugins, as they can no longer be found |
| 12:35:22 | Bagder | no, but I don't always develop plugins |
| 12:35:40 | BlueChip | will make install update only the required files, or do the whole thing every time? |
| 12:35:49 | Bagder | the whole thing |
| 12:36:04 | Bagder | and it doesn't remove old stuff |
| 12:36:18 | Bagder | it makes a full zip and unzips it to the correct place |
| 12:36:32 | BlueChip | :O |
| 12:37:12 | BlueChip | how will you work around the problem when you are developing plugins |
| 12:37:24 | Bagder | what problem? |
| 12:37:59 | BlueChip | if i understand the new setup correctly, you will be unable to run a plugin from the sim unless you move it by hand to the archos (or below) directory |
| 12:38:28 | Bagder | this isn't a new setup |
| 12:38:36 | Bagder | its been like this for years in the x11 sim |
| 12:39:11 | BlueChip | cool - there must be a selection of work-arounds to choose from? |
| 12:39:11 | Bagder | but sure, I use make install when I develop a plugin |
| 12:39:28 | Bagder | work-arounds for what? |
| 12:39:40 | * | Bagder doesn't follow |
| 12:40:09 | BlueChip | configure: sim; make; uisw32.exe ....where are my plugins? |
| 12:40:26 | Bagder | why is that a problem? |
| 12:40:42 | Bagder | the plugin loader in Rockbox assumes a specific directory |
| 12:40:53 | Bagder | so does the sim |
| 12:40:58 | Bagder | the sim simulates the real thing |
| 12:41:14 | BlueChip | i'll try it |
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| 12:42:49 | BlueChip | err, browse plugins does NOTHING |
| 12:42:57 | Bagder | ? |
| 12:43:00 | Bagder | does for me |
| 12:43:36 | BlueChip | ../tools/configure ....recorder ...2mb ...sim ...windows ...english |
| 12:43:38 | BlueChip | make |
| 12:43:41 | BlueChip | uisw32.exe |
| 12:43:50 | BlueChip | zilcho access to plugins |
| 12:43:56 | Bagder | so, you haven't put any plugins in the plugin dir |
| 12:44:06 | Bagder | there are no plugins to display |
| 12:44:14 | BlueChip | that's the problem |
| 12:44:18 | Bagder | why? |
| 12:44:32 | Bagder | you type 'make' |
| 12:44:34 | BlueChip | cos repetetive tasks should be done by the computer |
| 12:44:37 | Bagder | why not type 'make all install' |
| 12:44:43 | Bagder | and it'll do what you want |
| 12:44:50 | BlueChip | cos it takes 2-3mins |
| 12:44:56 | Bagder | what? |
| 12:45:09 | BlueChip | whereas cp file dir takes 2-3 seconds |
| 12:45:11 | Bagder | it takes 5 seconds here |
| 12:45:31 | BlueChip | the joys of a 7ghz processor on a udma999 hdd :( |
| 12:46:49 | Bagder | so make a symlink in archos/.rockbox to point out your build dir |
| 12:47:10 | Bagder | ln -s rocks /home/mybuild |
| 12:47:16 | BlueChip | Thank you, smart thinking ;) |
| 12:47:18 | Bagder | ln -s /home/mybuild rocks |
| 12:47:19 | Bagder | even |
| 12:47:37 | BlueChip | and viewers |
| 12:47:47 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:48:08 | BlueChip | like the viewers interface btw |
| 12:48:42 | Bagder | yep, it turned out really nice |
| 12:52:08 | BlueChip | and libplugin for sim - sad the users will probably not appreciate all the great work that has happened recently |
| 12:52:58 | Bagder | making it better/easier for developers will get noticable in the long run |
| 12:53:07 | Bagder | i think |
| 12:53:08 | BlueChip | yes, absolutely |
| 12:53:32 | BlueChip | it is my main driving force behind the devkit, get people up and running as quick as possible |
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| 13:07:09 | c0utta | hey guys, what would you like to see on a context sensitive menu while in wps ? |
| 13:07:26 | Bagder | pong! |
| 13:07:35 | Bagder | eh, no |
| 13:07:42 | c0utta | can be done :) |
| 13:10:01 | BlueChip | pong to replace the usb screen |
| 13:10:37 | Bagder | :-) |
| 13:10:38 | Zagor | c0utta: shuffle & repeat |
| 13:10:56 | c0utta | use f2 menu for that |
| 13:11:19 | Zagor | ok, well nothing then :) |
| 13:11:30 | c0utta | sorry zagor, it's not really applicable in the "context" of wps |
| 13:12:01 | c0utta | i personally like "delete file being played" |
| 13:12:05 | BlueChip | gotta shut down for a while - catch you all later ;) |
| 13:12:13 | c0utta | ciao |
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| 13:13:42 | Zagor | c0utta: running that hotlist plugin we have in the patch tracker would probably be nice too |
| 13:14:00 | c0utta | good one |
| 13:14:06 | Zagor | or maybe it's just a patch and not a plugin. anyway, it *should* be a plugin |
| 13:14:30 | c0utta | i modified favorites.rock recently to accept a parameter, so i could direct songs to different lists |
| 13:15:04 | Zagor | good |
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| 13:56:24 | mattzz|away | Zagor: consider setting $noSpamPadding in TWiki.cfg for mail address obfuscation |
| 13:58:23 | Zagor | i'm not a big fan of obfuscation. it hinders humans more than spammers. |
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| 14:01:16 | mattzz|away | ok |
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| 14:11:46 | [IDC]Dragon | but the email list is obfuscated, and I prefer that |
| 14:12:20 | Zagor | true |
| 14:12:54 | [IDC]Dragon | if my email is literal in the twiki, I should at least quickly change mine |
| 14:13:22 | Zagor | I'll enable obfuscation. I guess we won't use those addresses much anyway |
| 14:13:27 | [IDC]Dragon | or would that stop it from working? will twiki send me mails? |
| 14:13:45 | Zagor | only if you subscribe to modifications and things like that |
| 14:13:55 | [IDC]Dragon | uh, no |
| 14:14:32 | Zagor | obfuscation enabled |
| 14:14:44 | Zagor | it's rather crude, unfortunately |
| 14:14:49 | [IDC]Dragon | I see |
| 14:15:08 | Zagor | i'll tweak it a bit |
| 14:15:38 | Bagder | I would even call it lame ;-) |
| 14:15:43 | Zagor | yeah |
| 14:16:43 | [IDC]Dragon | how about user@isp.com -> userATispDOTcom |
| 14:17:15 | Zagor | fixing.. |
| 14:17:16 | [IDC]Dragon | or the same way like the list |
| 14:17:40 | Bagder | sed -e 's/@/ at /g' -e 's/\([a-z]\)\.\([a-z]\)/\1 do |
| 14:17:40 | Bagder | t \2/g' |
| 14:17:44 | Bagder | :-) |
| 14:18:15 | Zagor | there |
| 14:18:30 | Bagder | nicer |
| 14:18:38 | [IDC]Dragon | same way, good |
| 14:19:11 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, not the same, extra _dot_ |
| 14:19:18 | [IDC]Dragon | however |
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| 14:27:26 | RaZorbacK | Hello folks |
| 14:28:05 | Bagder | hi |
| 14:28:22 | RaZorbacK | i have another question about mp3clipgen.vbs. How do you modify this condition to make the script perform a non-recursive search? |
| 14:29:36 | * | Bagder has no clue |
| 14:30:17 | RaZorbacK | i have another question about mp3clipgen.vok, i wanted to copy this condition but my irc client doesn't allow me to copy from the clipboard lol :)bs. How do you modify this condition to make the script perform a non-recursive search? |
| 14:30:28 | RaZorbacK | never mind, thank you anyway |
| 14:30:57 | RaZorbacK | whoops |
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| 14:53:57 | Bagder | having "vbrfix" regged for the .mp3 extension in viewers.config seems a bit misleading |
| 14:54:17 | Zagor | hehe, yeah |
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| 14:57:19 | LinusN | the install script won't put it in "viewers" if it isn't in the viewers.config file |
| 14:57:42 | Zagor | ahh |
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| 14:57:52 | Bagder | but it could use "-" or something for extension |
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| 14:58:35 | LinusN | sure, it doesn't matter |
| 14:59:10 | Bagder | only for educational matters |
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| 15:14:10 | * | Bagder spots LinusN following his wiki tracks ;-) |
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| 15:16:13 | mattzz|away | how about using a PluginTemplate? (headline, description, keys, screenshot)? |
| 15:16:18 | mattzz|away | ups |
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| 15:16:28 | LinusN | mattzz: educate me |
| 15:17:20 | mattzz | something like in metronome - basically the idea is that every plugin description has the same look |
| 15:17:40 | LinusN | you mean that there is a nice way of using a template when creating new topics? |
| 15:18:41 | mattzz | there are two ways: 1 using forms (like in TWiki.TWikiFAQ) - complicated.... |
| 15:18:53 | mattzz | 2. use a topic and copy/paste a template |
| 15:19:00 | | Part Doensen |
| 15:19:10 | LinusN | ah |
| 15:19:28 | Zagor | well if we make the existing pages good-looking, they will act as templates for future ones |
| 15:19:38 | mattzz | one could also set the contents of the form-entry field to something like PluginXXXX |
| 15:19:50 | mattzz | Zagor: I agree |
| 15:20:37 | mattzz | Zagor: do we want to make use of the WEBTOPICLIST in WebPreferences? |
| 15:21:15 | mattzz | aahhh. ignore me |
| 15:21:25 | mattzz | just understood your way of using it |
| 15:21:29 | Zagor | :) |
| 15:25:34 | Zagor | i found WebTopicEditTemplate and added some default stuff to it |
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| 15:34:18 | LinusN | time to go, cu guys |
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| 15:42:38 | midk | hi ka |
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| 17:12:17 | delanne | hi |
| 17:13:28 | delanne | does anyone know if there's a firmware like the ROCKBOX for the gmini ? |
| 17:13:41 | delanne | Gmini220 |
| 17:13:48 | Zagor | no there isn't. |
| 17:14:15 | delanne | hmmm |
| 17:14:20 | delanne | there's a few month |
| 17:14:39 | delanne | I have found a website ... on this project |
| 17:14:44 | delanne | (excuse my english ... ;) |
| 17:15:00 | delanne | but, I've lost the url (how a bad guy I am ;) )... |
| 17:15:10 | Zagor | hehe |
| 17:15:25 | delanne | so, google is my friend ;) |
| 17:15:30 | delanne | thanks Zagor ;) |
| 17:15:45 | Zagor | there is a guy working on disassembling the gmini firmware, but no code is written as far as i know |
| 17:17:48 | delanne | do U know the URL of his website ? |
| 17:18:43 | Zagor | i don't know if he has one. i have only seen a few messages in the mailing list |
| 17:26:15 | [IDC]Dragon | gotta leave |
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| 18:34:45 | RaZorbacK | could someone tell me if we can change the battery in a player studio 20? |
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| 19:33:26 | Zagor | twice the fun! |
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| 20:44:13 | uski | hi :) |
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| 20:45:03 | uski | hi |
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| 20:56:00 | Neurosupherot | hi |
| 20:56:26 | Zagor | howdy |
| 20:56:49 | Neurosupherot | fie |
| 20:57:31 | Neurosupherot | do you know how to use bmp2rb? |
| 20:57:56 | Zagor | yes |
| 20:57:58 | Neurosupherot | or does a prog exists for convert bmp to code? |
| 20:58:06 | Zagor | that's what bmp2rb does |
| 20:58:41 | Neurosupherot | yes but i cant use it |
| 20:58:49 | Neurosupherot | i dont know hot to use itr |
| 20:58:53 | Zagor | what are you trying, and what happens? |
| 20:59:13 | Neurosupherot | i try to convert a .bmp |
| 20:59:16 | Neurosupherot | to code |
| 20:59:18 | Neurosupherot | but |
| 20:59:26 | Neurosupherot | it write errors |
| 20:59:46 | Zagor | yes, what command line are you running and what error do you get. details are of the essence. |
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| 21:02:16 | Neurosupherot | i dont remember what is the command line that i wrote but |
| 21:02:27 | Neurosupherot | i think that the error was |
| 21:02:36 | Neurosupherot | error - Bitmap uses more than 8 bit depth, got 256 |
| 21:02:44 | Neurosupherot | and my bmp is 1 bit! |
| 21:02:52 | Neurosupherot | ive tried with 2 bit |
| 21:02:59 | Neurosupherot | but it is the same problem |
| 21:03:02 | Neurosupherot | then |
| 21:03:11 | Neurosupherot | can you tell me all the procedure? |
| 21:03:14 | Neurosupherot | please |
| 21:07:35 | Neurosupherot | uh? |
| 21:08:02 | Neurosupherot | are you always here? |
| 21:08:10 | Zagor | hehe, no |
| 21:08:13 | Zagor | hang on... |
| 21:09:10 | Zagor | try 8-bit |
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| 21:09:43 | Neurosupherot | can you remember me the procedure please? |
| 21:09:56 | Zagor | save the image as an 8-bit bmp |
| 21:10:04 | Neurosupherot | greyscale? |
| 21:10:12 | Zagor | black-white |
| 21:10:31 | Neurosupherot | its ok with paint shop pro8? |
| 21:10:37 | Zagor | sure |
| 21:11:05 | uski | Neurosupherot, yuo may do that: change the color depth to 2 colors, so it converts everything to black/white, then you change the color depth to 8 bits = 26 coulors, then you save |
| 21:11:11 | uski | (just my little contribution ;)) |
| 21:11:15 | Zagor | good idea |
| 21:11:38 | Neurosupherot | thk you |
| 21:11:54 | uski | 256 colours i meant |
| 21:11:57 | uski | not 26 :) |
| 21:12:05 | Neurosupherot | ok |
| 21:12:09 | Neurosupherot | then |
| 21:12:21 | Neurosupherot | i put the bmp into the same folder as bmp2rb |
| 21:13:44 | Neurosupherot | and then, i launch bash? |
| 21:14:50 | Zagor | any command line |
| 21:14:59 | Zagor | the run "bmp2rb <filename>" |
| 21:15:23 | Neurosupherot | example: bmp2rb abc.bmp? |
| 21:16:07 | Zagor | yes |
| 21:16:29 | Neurosupherot | then he gives me the code? |
| 21:16:39 | Neurosupherot | in a new .c file? |
| 21:16:51 | uski | try and see :) |
| 21:18:05 | Neurosupherot | ok |
| 21:18:10 | Neurosupherot | thx for your help |
| 21:18:32 | Neurosupherot | and just another question |
| 21:19:00 | Neurosupherot | is it possible to play with the lcd backlight? |
| 21:19:08 | uski | yes |
| 21:19:10 | uski | go to the settings |
| 21:19:16 | Neurosupherot | like light on and off with the music |
| 21:19:17 | uski | there is a Display submenu |
| 21:19:20 | uski | ah |
| 21:19:31 | Neurosupherot | or change the backlight fadeout? |
| 21:19:32 | uski | you mean to do light effects ? |
| 21:19:36 | Neurosupherot | yeah! |
| 21:19:47 | uski | it should be possible but it wuold require some programming |
| 21:19:48 | Zagor | if you write a plugin, you can. :-) |
| 21:20:29 | uski | you may compute the derivative of the volume change and switch on when it gets > a certain level, and switch off when it gets < some level OR when the output goes below some other level |
| 21:20:37 | Neurosupherot | ok |
| 21:20:43 | Neurosupherot | a last question |
| 21:20:52 | Neurosupherot | i have noticed that |
| 21:21:21 | Neurosupherot | the lcd fade out and light off directly randomly |
| 21:21:34 | Neurosupherot | how do you explain that? |
| 21:21:59 | Zagor | explain what? |
| 21:22:04 | uski | hmmm it is something common |
| 21:22:07 | Zagor | ah, that. it's a hardware bug. |
| 21:22:14 | uski | Zagor: some people experience a strange fadeout when the backlight switches off |
| 21:22:22 | uski | it goes VERY bright, then it fades off slowly |
| 21:22:31 | Zagor | yeah |
| 21:22:36 | Neurosupherot | yes! |
| 21:22:44 | Neurosupherot | strange! |
| 21:22:53 | uski | yea |
| 21:23:04 | uski | must be a problem with the FET/transistor driving the backlight leds... |
| 21:23:08 | Neurosupherot | can we change the backlitht power? |
| 21:23:09 | uski | i don't know where it is coming from |
| 21:23:15 | uski | not softwarely |
| 21:23:19 | Neurosupherot | ok |
| 21:23:20 | uski | it requires a hardware change |
| 21:23:38 | uski | we could do PWM actually, but it would require too much computing power |
| 21:23:43 | Zagor | it's controlled by the rtc in a pwm wave, but we can't control the power |
| 21:23:46 | Neurosupherot | i wont adventure myself in hardware |
| 21:23:52 | Neurosupherot | its too risky |
| 21:24:12 | uski | Zagor: is it possible to change the duty cycle of the output of the RTC ? (wait i check the datasheet) |
| 21:25:10 | Zagor | yes, but on/off is always 50/50 so it won't affect the brightness |
| 21:26:20 | uski | ah ok |
| 21:26:28 | uski | too bad |
| 21:26:49 | Neurosupherot | my dream is to change the green leds by blue leds |
| 21:26:59 | uski | Neurosupherot, it can be done |
| 21:27:03 | Neurosupherot | but i dont think that we can change it |
| 21:27:03 | uski | however you need to: |
| 21:27:10 | Neurosupherot | it is wvery very small |
| 21:27:17 | uski | - Get familiar with SMD soldering; required led mesures like 2mm*3mm |
| 21:27:27 | uski | it can be done with some soldering experience, trust me ;) |
| 21:27:40 | Neurosupherot | i have a archos fm recorder |
| 21:27:50 | Neurosupherot | i bought it november 2003 |
| 21:27:52 | uski | - Modify the layout of the PCB (i.e. add some small wires), as blue led requires a higher voltage than green leds |
| 21:27:57 | Neurosupherot | now, its my 4th |
| 21:28:03 | uski | really ? :) |
| 21:28:16 | Neurosupherot | my first: battery problem |
| 21:28:30 | Zagor | blue leds are not very good, since they lower the contrast of the lcd pixels |
| 21:28:32 | uski | my first worked flawlessly; the one of my brother too :) |
| 21:28:34 | Zagor | white leds are better |
| 21:28:52 | Neurosupherot | when i pushed on, the green power led light a millisecond then light off |
| 21:28:57 | Neurosupherot | white leds? |
| 21:29:09 | Neurosupherot | then my 2nd: |
| 21:29:13 | DBUG | Sent KICK uski to server |
| 21:29:13 | uski | Zagor, yea :) i bought 4 1206 white leds, i plan to change the leds as soon as my warranty period expired; i also have a 8mb RAM and a new SST3VF020 ;) |
| 21:29:13 | Kick | (#rockbox uski :Colourcodes are *not* appreciated here!) by logbot!~bjst@193.15.23.131 |
| 21:29:17 | Neurosupherot | i broked the lcd |
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| 21:29:22 | uski | blah |
| 21:29:30 | uski | i use them only when necessary :) |
| 21:29:41 | Zagor | hehe |
| 21:30:04 | Neurosupherot | but, i killed the archos |
| 21:30:20 | Neurosupherot | with switchiong it off when flashing |
| 21:30:20 | uski | how did you kill it ? |
| 21:30:25 | uski | lool |
| 21:30:29 | uski | it can be repaired |
| 21:30:29 | Neurosupherot | then, warranty was ok |
| 21:30:32 | Zagor | why on earth did you do that? |
| 21:30:39 | Neurosupherot | i said that it doesnt boot |
| 21:30:52 | uski | you did panic ;) |
| 21:30:53 | Neurosupherot | they replace me with a 3rd |
| 21:30:57 | uski | don't panic ;) |
| 21:31:05 | Neurosupherot | no because it was intentionally |
| 21:31:09 | uski | ah ok lol |
| 21:31:15 | Neurosupherot | for save the warrany |
| 21:31:27 | Neurosupherot | if i said "i broken the lcd" |
| 21:31:32 | uski | currently i can't flash my box :( |
| 21:31:35 | uski | hmmmm |
| 21:31:41 | uski | i think they did notice you have broken the LCD :] |
| 21:31:42 | Neurosupherot | then warranty will be broken |
| 21:31:58 | uski | the CPU board can be changed without changing the LCD ;) |
| 21:32:02 | Neurosupherot | i was just a coin |
| 21:32:06 | uski | ;) |
| 21:32:22 | Neurosupherot | we cant see it when the archos is closed |
| 21:32:34 | Neurosupherot | not a coin a corner |
| 21:32:44 | Neurosupherot | my 3rd: |
| 21:33:02 | amiconn | Zagor: Which frequency of the rtc sqw output is used within rockbox? |
| 21:33:27 | Neurosupherot | the jack was broken and the hdd had a problem cuz i can only put 6 gigs |
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| 21:33:33 | Zagor | amiconn: i don't remember |
| 21:33:42 | Neurosupherot | now, i had my 4th 2 days ago |
| 21:33:47 | Neurosupherot | and it works perfectly |
| 21:33:55 | Neurosupherot | warranty is very cool:) |
| 21:34:03 | amiconn | Zagor: Do you at least remember in which source file it is set? |
| 21:34:03 | uski | amiconn: there are some possibilities; all are 32768/(2^n) Hz |
| 21:34:24 | amiconn | uski: Yes, I know that from the datasheet |
| 21:34:51 | uski | firmware/backlight.c: /* Disable square wave */ |
| 21:34:51 | uski | firmware/backlight.c: /* Enable square wave */ |
| 21:34:51 | uski | firmware/backlight.c: /* Disable square wave */ |
| 21:34:56 | uski | must be here |
| 21:35:02 | uski | firmware/drivers/rtc.c: rtc_write(0x13, 0x10); /* 32 kHz square wave */ |
| 21:35:03 | uski | :) |
| 21:35:10 | uski | from rockbox-2.0 |
| 21:35:12 | Zagor | lookie there :) |
| 21:35:14 | uski | but i don't think it changed |
| 21:35:33 | amiconn | uski: Thanks for looking it up |
| 21:35:50 | uski | amiconn: egrep -r "square wave" * |
| 21:35:51 | uski | ;) |
| 21:36:15 | amiconn | Maybe it is possible to dim the backlight by "overlaying" an on/off sequence to it, with variable duty cycle |
| 21:36:25 | amiconn | This would require an interrupt routine |
| 21:36:28 | uski | it would be some kind of software pwm |
| 21:36:34 | amiconn | yup |
| 21:36:37 | uski | i think it is _really_ cpu power consuming for what it adds... |
| 21:36:37 | Neurosupherot | has anybody games for rockbox? |
| 21:36:46 | uski | Neurosupherot, there are already many |
| 21:36:49 | Neurosupherot | unofficial games |
| 21:36:58 | uski | in the latest bleeding edge you can get pong :) |
| 21:37:01 | Neurosupherot | yes but its poor lol |
| 21:37:05 | uski | you may use the chip8 emulator |
| 21:37:10 | Neurosupherot | pong? |
| 21:37:11 | uski | then u can use all chip8 games |
| 21:37:14 | uski | BUT remember |
| 21:37:21 | uski | an archos is a mp3 player |
| 21:37:25 | uski | not a gameboy or such |
| 21:37:25 | Neurosupherot | its a plugin? |
| 21:37:26 | uski | ;) |
| 21:37:28 | Neurosupherot | looool |
| 21:37:29 | uski | no |
| 21:37:29 | Neurosupherot | ;) |
| 21:37:32 | uski | hmm |
| 21:37:36 | uski | nno idea |
| 21:37:37 | Neurosupherot | and what is a ch8 file? |
| 21:37:38 | uski | i don't know |
| 21:37:43 | uski | it's a chip8 file |
| 21:37:46 | uski | there are many on the itnernet |
| 21:37:51 | uski | use google to catch them ;) |
| 21:37:57 | Neurosupherot | its programs? |
| 21:38:06 | uski | they are small games |
| 21:38:07 | Neurosupherot | progs we can run with the archos? |
| 21:38:09 | Neurosupherot | cvool!!! |
| 21:38:13 | uski | try to put some .ch8 onyour archos :) |
| 21:38:31 | amiconn | uski: I don't think that the "software pwm" for the led power would take much cpu power, if it is done with an interrupt routine and the frequency isn't too high |
| 21:38:45 | amiconn | 100 Hz would be sufficient to prevent flicker imo |
| 21:38:49 | uski | i think it would require at least 2kHz |
| 21:38:52 | uski | hmmmno |
| 21:39:00 | uski | when the archos will move it will be easy to "see" the flicker |
| 21:39:14 | uski | anyway if we have a free timer interrupt, 2kHz should not be a problem |
| 21:39:20 | uski | it's still low |
| 21:39:29 | uski | but i think that 100Hz is really too low |
| 21:39:58 | Neurosupherot | it will be great if a plugin can transform the mp3 in a torch |
| 21:40:07 | amiconn | The problem is that we either will have to use two timers (to produce the variable duty cycle) or reprogram the timer on every interrupt call |
| 21:40:20 | uski | one timer is enough |
| 21:40:27 | uski | do something like this: |
| 21:40:36 | uski | unsigned char counter; |
| 21:40:44 | uski | (globally) |
| 21:40:47 | uski | in the int routine: |
| 21:40:50 | uski | counter += 1; |
| 21:41:08 | uski | backlight_power = (counter < brightness); |
| 21:41:13 | uski | this should work fine |
| 21:41:21 | uski | but it divides the frequency by 255 |
| 21:41:24 | Zagor | but that takes a helluva lot of interrupts |
| 21:41:32 | uski | yea |
| 21:41:42 | uski | but they are processed really fast |
| 21:41:55 | amiconn | Yes, that was my concern, and why I suggested 2 interrupts or reprogramming every time |
| 21:42:04 | uski | ok |
| 21:42:24 | uski | the question is: is there a free timer interrupt ? :) |
| 21:43:12 | amiconn | uski: It can definitely be done within plugins, as there is even an api function (added by Jörg) to use a timer interrupt |
| 21:43:31 | uski | you would make a plugin for backlight brightness control ? |
| 21:43:39 | uski | i think it should be integrated within the core |
| 21:43:41 | amiconn | He first used the timer directly from his video plugin by banging the hardware directly |
| 21:43:45 | uski | ok |
| 21:43:54 | uski | hmm but there is a problem |
| 21:44:02 | uski | as the backlight is controlled by the RTC |
| 21:44:13 | uski | we have to check what is the maximum frequency of the I2C bus |
| 21:44:14 | amiconn | Then, after I re-used his technique for the grayscale framework, he made it an api function |
| 21:44:25 | uski | then caluclate how many bits it requires to switch it on or off |
| 21:44:38 | uski | then calculate how many "fps" we can get |
| 21:44:43 | uski | ok |
| 21:46:12 | amiconn | It should be possible to make a "light organ" plugin (even as a tsr) |
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| 21:47:36 | uski | hmmm :) |
| 21:47:53 | uski | backlight=brightness = d(sound_power)/dt |
| 21:47:59 | uski | backlight_brightness = d(sound_power)/dt |
| 21:48:03 | uski | ;) |
| 21:48:08 | uski | would be quite interesting |
| 21:48:23 | uski | _OR_ |
| 21:48:24 | amiconn | On the player the backlight switching should be very fast (only flipping a port bit) |
| 21:48:31 | uski | we get a spare IO pin |
| 21:48:43 | uski | we add a transistor and another array of leds of another color |
| 21:48:46 | amiconn | The recorders need i2c access to the rtc, reading and writing 1 byte each |
| 21:48:47 | uski | blah ;) |
| 21:48:50 | uski | yea |
| 21:49:04 | uski | (really stupid to have engineered them that way imho) |
| 21:49:09 | Neurosupherot | how do i copy-paste ALL the irc convers? |
| 21:49:23 | uski | i think they thought they'll be able to do PWM easily |
| 21:49:30 | Zagor | Neurosupherot: use the logs on our website instead |
| 21:49:31 | uski | then they noticed the duty cycle was the same ;) |
| 21:50:29 | Neurosupherot | yes but there is not the current log |
| 21:51:18 | Zagor | in the bottom of the page: "today's log (updating live)" |
| 21:51:33 | amiconn | uski: If i2c is too slow I have another thing to optimize with assembler ;) |
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| 21:51:53 | uski | i don't see how you could optimize it ;) |
| 21:51:57 | uski | ah |
| 21:51:58 | uski | i see |
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| 21:52:10 | uski | but the optimisation won't be really really "interesting" |
| 21:52:16 | uski | i.e. the performance gain would be "low'" |
| 21:52:18 | uski | imho |
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| 21:57:56 | amiconn | uski: From a quick look at the code, it seems that i2c works very similar to the lcd data output. There should be room for improvement :) |
| 21:58:12 | uski | you mean it's a "software" i2c ? |
| 21:58:19 | uski | no hardware i2c ion the SH1 ?... |
| 21:58:23 | uski | blah |
| 21:58:26 | MrScruffy | hi, is there a way to get the filenames to scroll when they are larger then the screen so that i can read the full filename? |
| 21:58:35 | uski | MrScruffy, yes |
| 21:58:36 | amiconn | uski: yes it is, see firmware/drivers/i2c.c |
| 21:58:42 | uski | they should scroll by default |
| 21:58:52 | uski | amiconn, ok, then yes it may be improved :] |
| 21:58:54 | MrScruffy | uski: no, they dont... |
| 21:59:01 | uski | but the RTc has a maximum I2C freq |
| 21:59:16 | uski | MrScruffy, go to the settings/display |
| 21:59:20 | uski | there should be an option there |
| 21:59:32 | uski | which version of rockbox are u using ? |
| 21:59:35 | MrScruffy | 2.2 |
| 21:59:43 | uski | ok |
| 21:59:46 | amiconn | MrScruffy: only the current line (where you are with your cursor) does scroll in the file browser |
| 21:59:54 | uski | right :) |
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| 22:00:10 | MrScruffy | well, for my no line scrolls.... i will check the options |
| 22:01:24 | uski | amiconn, max I2C freq for the RTC = 400KHz |
| 22:01:49 | MrScruffy | ah, i found it, now the line scrolls, thanks! |
| 22:01:49 | uski | should be approx 35-40kb/sec |
| 22:01:54 | uski | MrScruffy, :) |
| 22:02:07 | MrScruffy | must have been blind when i checked the options first ;-) |
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| 22:03:47 | uski | ;) |
| 22:03:50 | uski | there are many options |
| 22:03:54 | uski | it's easy to miss one ;) |
| 22:04:27 | amiconn | uski: rtc i2c restrictions require i2c clock high for >= 7 clock cycles (sh1), i2c clock low >= 15 sh1 cycles |
| 22:05:11 | uski | hmmm ok |
| 22:05:25 | uski | hmmm about the xclef: Supported audio formats: MPEG 1,2,2.5 Layer3(8-320Kbps.VBR) WMA(32-192Kbps) |
| 22:05:32 | uski | i don't think it's really the same HW :) |
| 22:07:22 | Zagor | no i mean the 500 and the 800 is the same hardware |
| 22:07:29 | uski | ok :)) |
| 22:08:20 | uski | i'm afraid that the rockbox project may slowly ... "fade off"... when all new compatible units will have been sold |
| 22:08:44 | Zagor | either that, or we infest another player :) |
| 22:09:27 | uski | :) |
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| 22:11:10 | amiconn | uski: No need to use two timers or reprogramming on every call: the sh1 ITU timers can do pwm directly :) |
| 22:11:47 | Neurosupherot | bye and thx |
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| 22:12:12 | uski | ok |
| 22:12:31 | uski | it would have been perfect if archos engineers would have connected the backlight to a hardware PWM output... |
| 22:12:42 | amiconn | yup |
| 22:13:11 | uski | blah i'm looking forward to upgrade my recorder !!! |
| 22:13:24 | uski | i have a 8mb ram and a sst39vf020 waiting |
| 22:13:40 | uski | (my player is not currently flashable !) |
| 22:14:43 | amiconn | Tomorrow I can pick up a parcel at the post office containing my new 80 gig hd for my recorder :) |
| 22:15:04 | uski | oooooo :) |
| 22:15:13 | uski | perhaps i'll upgrade my HD too |
| 22:15:24 | uski | i think i won't be able to wait for the end of the warranty |
| 22:15:27 | uski | (october !!!) |
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| 22:27:31 | uski | gtg |
| 22:27:42 | uski | good nite all (for those who'll sleep soon ;)) |
| 22:27:49 | MrScruffy | bye uski |
| 22:27:58 | uski | bye |
| 22:28:03 | uski | and: happy scrolling ! ;) |
| 22:28:10 | MrScruffy | thanks ;-) |
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| 22:45:25 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/XclefInfo |
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| 23:55:14 | amiconn | Grr, gotta reboot |
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