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#rockbox log for 2004-06-22

00:00:14midkgot it
00:00:28usaswanganyone know exactly which hitachi sh1 chip is used for the processor?
00:00:39midkit's in the tech doc i think
00:01:26usaswangk checking
00:02:23midkRobbieVox, you want to apply this?
00:02:46RobbieVoxpatch whatever sourcei can and compile
00:03:00RobbieVoxbe it new daily build or 2.2
00:03:06midkmust be newer daily build
00:03:24RobbieVoxi got the tarball and decompressed
00:03:35midkwhere did you install the devkit?
00:04:23RobbieVoxi got it in D:\archos\dev\RockBox-DevKit-v3 atm
00:04:48RobbieVoxthe one from bluechip
00:05:02RobbieVoxwas having probs cygwin
00:05:23midkno, it can't be on d
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00:05:36midkextract bluechip's installer to c:\cygwin
00:05:53midkthen inside c:\cygwin you should have /home, /rockbox. /usr, /setup, etc
00:06:07midkyou can move the contents of the devkit folder to c:\cygwin instead of re extracting
00:10:07usaswangdo you get the sonic benefit of higher bitrates with the archos?
00:10:19midksonic benefit?
00:11:06usaswanglike if i encode my mp3s at 320kb/sec
00:11:21usaswangdoes the archos actually deliver a diference in playback compared to the 128
00:11:21RobbieVoxlol not sure u get any sonic beifit with them headphones, might do with some seinhauser's
00:11:28usaswangi have senns thanks
00:11:28midkall players do
00:11:47usaswangya but i didn't know if there was a harware limitation. or maybe software
00:12:05usaswangtake for instance their lame os
00:12:06RobbieVoxright c:\cygwin eists
00:12:17usaswangyou play back a 192 or 256 kbps and it still says 128
00:12:24midkno, it plays at the bitrate it was encoded at
00:12:27midkoh, it says that
00:12:29midkbut doesn't play that
00:12:42usaswangya i figured
00:12:45midkRobbieVox, go into c:\cygwin\setup
00:12:48midkrun setup.bat
00:13:40midknow go back to c:\cygwin
00:13:42usaswangthat and the other glitches in their code is what sent me searching and why i found the rockbox site
00:13:46midkshould be a rockbox-sdk.bat in there
00:13:55midkusaswang, congrats, enjoy
00:14:34RobbieVoxno just _RockBox.bat userpath and version
00:14:58midkok delete c:\cygwin
00:15:06midkand redownload or reextract his installer
00:15:09midkto c:\cygwin this time
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00:17:13usaswangthanks midk
00:17:18midkno problem
00:17:37scott666so whats the status on clockbox
00:17:50midkwhacha mean
00:17:53RobbieVoxhmm same
00:18:04usaswangdo you know if there is a way to tell if you batteries are the point where you need new ones
00:18:15midkif they start draining fast
00:18:21usaswangya...mine do...but
00:18:28midkIE charged and then soon after, maybe 5 hours, dead
00:18:30usaswangthe screen flickers
00:18:31usaswangeven with full charge
00:18:37usaswangwhenever the hd spins up
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00:18:38midki'd recommend you replace the ar chos ones if you haven't yet
00:18:41scott666less than 5 probably
00:18:41midkeven if they are new
00:18:59usaswangwith 2000ma?
00:19:49scott666no, if theyre dying
00:20:04usaswangmaybe they last 3 hrs
00:20:24usaswangthe screen flickering, even when fully charged is the weird thing.
00:20:39midkreplace them i'd suggest
00:20:42midkat least 2000
00:20:46midkhighest you can get
00:20:47usaswangmaking me think it's electrical...or a hardware problem
00:20:47usaswangya...i can try
00:20:51midki know they sell 2300 online
00:20:58midki've seen 2150 in stores
00:21:02usaswangdo you have a website link? :) zqs one site
00:21:47scott666damn azerty
00:22:03midki know greenbatteries
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00:23:00midkget 4
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00:25:05usaswangthat's cheap
00:25:22usaswangworth at try...better than sending it to those archos tools to "fix it"
00:25:32midkLOL tools
00:25:46usaswangthey want like 60 bucks
00:25:50usaswangno matter what the problem
00:25:53usaswangand before i knew of this site
00:25:56usaswangi pelted them with emails
00:26:01usaswangabout how i wanted the source
00:26:11usaswangsince they obviously weren't going to update it
00:26:31midkhmm, do you code?
00:26:36usaswanga bit
00:26:36midklol they never respond
00:26:44midkeven if you need help
00:26:50usaswangya..they suck
00:26:53midkwell, i should say, rarely
00:26:57midkbut at least we have rockbox.
00:26:58usaswangi regret buying it
00:27:06midki wouldn't −− feature packed
00:27:15RobbieVoxregret ! harsh
00:27:17midklots of games.. expandability
00:27:22usaswangoh well...
00:27:22usaswangya for sure
00:27:22usaswangit would REALLY blow without rockbox
00:27:23midkdid you try rockbox yet?
00:27:25usaswangwell i regret it because i would rather a neuros or iriver
00:27:36usaswangfor recording to wav for concerts
00:27:44midkdid you try rockbox yet?
00:27:48usaswangand playing other types. but that is my only complaint
00:27:52usaswangjust downloaded it today
00:28:02usaswanggoing to install after i finish cooking my dinner
00:28:22usaswangorderign these batteries atm
00:28:45midkyou didnt install it yet?
00:28:47midkno wonder.
00:29:42usaswanglooking at the features of rockbox got me excited
00:29:52usaswangmy only complaint is recording quality...
00:30:01midkquality eh?
00:30:03usaswangand file type playback
00:30:40usaswanganyone done research on mp4? probably eh
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00:33:37usaswangi'm sure the archos can't do it
00:33:49usaswangjust because i wish it could hehe
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00:34:05usaswangwith modifications i mean...i know it can't do it as is
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00:35:32midkplays video btw
00:35:54usaswangprobably the only way to be able to do it would be if there was a chip for the mp4 and you could take out the mp3 one and then mod the hardware to use the mp4 chip...and it would have to be backward compatible
00:35:56usaswangwhat plays video?
00:36:13usaswangi only have an fm recorder archos :-(
00:36:19midkyes.. that will do
00:36:24midkrockbox runs on fm
00:36:27usaswangoh, that's cool
00:37:57RobbieVoxw00t am compiling
00:38:25midkgo robbie
00:38:46RobbieVox:) right its created (amongst others) an archos.mod that right
00:39:00midkyou have a player?
00:39:07midki thought you had a recorder
00:39:10midkyes, archos.mod
00:39:33RobbieVoxright was playing with that, what and where do i need to patch
00:39:36usaswangbye bye 1.30j
00:39:51usaswangcool...actually shows the right kbps i like
00:40:07midkthats' customizable usaswang
00:40:17midkRobbieVox, use the patch doc
00:40:19midkit tells you what to do batteries must be fried
00:40:30RobbieVoxlol should that come with the patch ?
00:40:49usaswangshows about 1/4 power yet it was only used 30 mins today
00:41:01midkrockbox indicator is more accurate than archos
00:41:12midkRobbieVox, at the bottom of patch page
00:42:03RobbieVoxye but what does it patch ? the makefile or source code ?
00:42:32RobbieVoxhmm prolly easiest to do a whole dir
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00:43:04midkwhole dir?
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00:43:24usaswangso do any of your players have screen flicker when low on batteries if the hard drive is spinning
00:43:54topblokemine did when i first bought it
00:44:10RobbieVoxu have to tell it to patch either a file or dir
00:44:22RobbieVoxi dont know the file so im guessing to patch a whole dir
00:44:26usaswangmine probably has some electronic problem
00:44:49topblokecharge up your batteries and it will be fine
00:45:32usaswangi think my batts are pretty dead...because last time i flew it barely lasted 3 hours
00:45:43topblokeyeah get new ones
00:46:58usaswangi shall try that
00:47:01 Quit silencer_ (Client Quit) different
00:47:40usaswangthe interface
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00:48:37midktry the font
00:48:37midk"hebrew bold"
00:48:41midki enjoy it much
00:48:51RobbieVoxLP tiss nice to see sum1 like that finding rockbox for 1st time
00:49:34usaswangwow it turns off so fast
00:49:34usaswangdoesn't have that shutting down stupidity
00:50:07RobbieVoxne1 got patch / libraries for win32 ?
00:50:28RobbieVoxi got diff but patch says missing libraries
00:52:03topblokeyeah u need crap like libiconv-2.dll
00:52:21topblokeand libintl-2.dll
00:52:30RobbieVoxheh renamed libintl3.dll to it and seems to work :D
00:52:53midkhmm, if you need me RobbieVox, say "midk" ok
00:53:58RobbieVoxta :) hopefully be ok now tks for help - much appreciated
00:54:49usaswangso do i need to set anything special to get it to charge
00:55:00usaswangsince it doesn't have that "charging" menu type thing
00:56:09RobbieVoxhmm its looking for a specific daily build
00:56:44topblokewhat archos do u have usaswang
00:56:51usaswangfm recorder
00:57:04topblokejust plug it in
00:57:11usaswangit feels so foreign
00:57:13midkyes RobbieVox
00:57:21topbloketheres no options
00:57:28usaswangto not have the charging bar
00:58:11usaswangwell...if i turn it off and plug it goes to the old firmware charging screen
00:58:17RobbieVoxits looking for a specific daily build any way of using the current one other than renaming the folder ?
00:59:08usaswangi was just reading this about it though
00:59:08usaswangThe second possibility:
00:59:08usaswang Use the Archos charging algorithm. At least, your batteries will be full
00:59:08DBUGSent KICK usaswang to server
00:59:08usaswang one more time. ;-)
00:59:09Kick(#rockbox usaswang :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@
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00:59:21topblokeoh u need to flash yours
00:59:26scott666fear the wrath of logbot
00:59:43midktell it where it is located
00:59:50midkif it wants /apps/debug_menu.c
00:59:58topblokeon an FM the chrging is the same on rockbox and archos firmwares
01:00:03usaswangwhat does this imply though. At least, your batteries will be full
01:00:04usaswang one more time. ;-)
01:00:10usaswangone more time?
01:00:47usaswangseems like saying the archos charging is bad...or inferior in some manner...or even dangerous
01:00:53usaswangthat is how i read it
01:01:01topblokeyeah i think thats what they mean
01:02:01RobbieVoxahh seen the -p1 patch info
01:02:23topblokei hate patching
01:02:39topblokeits so complicated i still dont know how to do it right
01:03:35RobbieVoxno kiddin !
01:04:12topblokei ended up typing the location of each file to patch
01:04:57RobbieVoxchrist dont say that
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01:53:41topblokei'm fed up with all these disconnects
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02:18:47usaswanghmm my battery shows as charged already
02:18:57usaswangthis thing is messed
02:19:13midkrockbox is right.
02:20:40usaswangya my player...or its batteries are messed
02:23:37zeHow much net work could a network work, if a network could net work?
02:23:47 Part amiconn
02:24:06midkze: dada
02:24:23midkat least i don't make difference clouds in photoshop and say i made script fu and it took 300 hours to render,
02:24:42zeit was raytraced
02:24:51midkyeah right
02:24:52zeit's media
02:24:54zeit has depth
02:24:57zeand you can see it
02:24:57midki could make the same thing in difference clouds..
02:24:58zeso shut up
02:25:29zeAutomobile, n.:
02:25:29ze A four-wheeled vehicle that runs up hills and down pedestrians.
02:25:45midkHA! HA! HA!
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02:34:00midkhi, good sir.
02:34:06Guestcan some one help me?
02:34:31Guestis the webmaster here?
02:34:31midkpossibly. state your area of inquiry.
02:34:46Guestfirst I guess to register this software
02:35:02midkno, you don't need to
02:35:28GuestI have a JBMM 20 and would like an open source frimware, can it happen?
02:35:41midkpossibly. not likely
02:35:49Guestwhy not
02:36:00midkjust.. nobody has written it
02:36:04GuestI saw the firmware for almost all the other Archos
02:36:22midkyes, unluckily, not yours
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02:37:54Guestso there are no other open sources for it, other than rockbox
02:38:01midkand avos
02:38:10midkwhich MAY run on the jbmm, but not sure
02:38:36Guestwhat is avos?
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02:40:41Guestis rockbox working on stuff for the mm 20's
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04:09:08tom-sleepsomeone messaged me..
04:09:11tom-sleepbut i don't know when...
04:09:22tom-sleeptwo days ago
04:09:37midkmay have been me?
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04:09:40midkunsure, sir
04:09:46tomsley18:00 <Master_Of> helllllllllooooooooooooo ! are you here ??
04:09:53midklol me too
04:09:59midki think he did everyone
04:10:03midkhe was like
04:10:17tomsleyhis problem. that's why we have mailing list.
04:10:22tomsleyi'm a jerk.
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04:10:29tomMeditatesback to meditate.
04:10:29midkyeah, lol!
04:10:33midkhehh ok
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04:19:09midkhi, good sir.
04:19:45Fushenjust wondering... why does it say that i can't disconnect my stduio 20... and that i should try later?
04:20:10midksays that to me sometimes too
04:20:18midkit's ok you can still
04:20:28midkit always says that to me
04:20:33Fushenwithout safely removing it?
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04:20:52midkif you hit safely remove and it says cannot stop it at this time you can still remove it
04:21:32Fusheneep... hope so.. last time i tried all the files became corrupted and i was forced to fromat the disk..
04:21:45midkit should be ok...
04:22:10Fushenok thanks and good night ^^
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06:13:55PacketWould anyone here be kind enough to answer a quick question for me?
06:14:09midkstate the question.
06:14:55PacketI'm trying to flash my Archos with 2.2, but I can't seem to find the firmware_***.bin file referenced in the instructions. Has that been removed or is it hidden somewhere that I can't seem to find it?
06:15:21Packet(I sincerely hope this answer isn't somewhere in the docs...I've been looking for close to an hour and haven't found anything)
06:16:19midkin the flash do
06:16:26midkget the flash pack
06:18:11PacketOK, thanks. Pardon the dumb the flash pack in the download area?
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06:25:58PacketOK, I'm having some trouble finding the flash pack. Could you tell me where it's located?
06:26:47midkrec, fm, v2?
06:27:05PacketBeautiful! Thanks so much.
06:27:27midkno problem
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06:57:37midkhi linus!
06:57:57midkdid you have a favorite clock logo?
06:58:16LinusNhaven't looked at the, sorry
06:58:52midkpick a random number between 1 and 4
06:58:54midkand please majke it 4
06:59:00midk(pick 4 pick 4)
06:59:51LinusNwhich clock.c is it (in the patch tracker)?
07:00:09LinusNyou should delete the old ones
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07:40:49midksorry LinusN
07:40:53midkit's the zip :)
07:40:58midki will
07:41:09midki'm... about 95% done with this update really
07:42:05midki finished the binary mode:
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07:57:33midkLinusN, are you around?
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08:01:02midkhi [IDC]Dragon
08:01:46midkmight you assist me in setting idle poweroff to never within a plugin? :)
08:01:59midkrb->global_settings->poweroff = 0; ?
08:02:37[IDC]Dragonyou can't affect that in a plugin
08:02:49midkcan you make it possible to affect that in a plugin?
08:03:01LinusNmidk: sorry, was busy fixing the bookmark code
08:03:08[IDC]Dragondunno if that's desirable
08:03:09midksurely LinusN
08:03:30midkLinusN, can you or idc here make it an option to set idle poweroff to never within a plugin?
08:03:32dwihnoYay! Another day!
08:03:43midknot a very useful clock if it shuts off after, say, 15 minutes
08:04:08LinusNthen insert the charger
08:04:22midkwhat if it's not handy?
08:04:26[IDC]Dragonif your box is configured to do so, why should it make exceptions?
08:04:35midki won't start, never mind
08:04:59dwihnoSheesh! Firefox 0.9 sure feels a lot faster than 0.8!
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08:07:40LinusNmidk: we can always enable plugins to dosable poweroff, but is that really what the user would want?
08:07:58midki would hav eit as an option of course
08:08:25LinusNstill, is it a valuable feature?
08:08:35midkbut i bet that if people left the clock on they would intend to use it
08:08:47midkfairly so
08:10:03LinusNi'll consider it...
08:10:31midkbefore july 1st? :)
08:10:42[IDC]Dragonwhat triggers the box out of idle?
08:10:59midkkeypress or power adapter
08:11:01[IDC]Dragonjust buttons, or other activity as well?
08:11:07midkbuttons is all i think
08:11:25midki wonder if i could fake user input
08:12:00LinusNno you can't
08:12:22midksomehow make it exempt from poweroff
08:12:26midki bet there's a way
08:12:45LinusNwe can always invent a way
08:12:45[IDC]Dragonmaybe expose a retrigger function
08:13:28LinusNyeah, "retrigger" is probably the safest way to do it
08:18:56LinusNmidk: i like 4. "clockbox"
08:19:04midkso does everyone else
08:19:15midki was consider converting from clock.rock to clockbox.rock
08:20:04[IDC]Dragonclockbox orange
08:20:21midkit's got a ring
08:20:30midkeven though it is not orange
08:20:36midk*searches for an orange
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08:25:52midkbagder yay
08:25:55LinusNhola Bagder
08:30:22[IDC]DragonLinusN: is your new commit the fix to Carsten's .cfg problem?
08:31:31[IDC]Dragonthe I can stop searching in my settings code...
08:31:48[IDC]Dragonwhich I was just busy with
08:32:18*Bagder says 1 - 0 to LinusN
08:32:22LinusNthe generate_bookmark_file_name function removed the trailing slash from the dir name passed to it
08:32:38LinusNwhich was the 'currdir' variable in tree.c
08:32:46midkbagder: give ya $20 if you merge idle poweroff access from plugins ;)
08:33:35LinusNthere *may* be some other occasions where we would want to prevent idle poweroff
08:33:41LinusNlike when flashing
08:33:56LinusN(the flashing takes a lot less than a minute, but anyway)
08:34:03[IDC]Dragonthat doesn't take so long
08:35:11LinusNi can't think of any other situations though
08:35:42[IDC]Dragonbeing remote controlled
08:36:22LinusNremote controlled?
08:36:45[IDC]Dragonfrom my CD changer plugin, for example
08:36:58midkwhy not just add the capability. maybe people can use it in the future
08:38:36LinusNmidk: we don't have the luxury of being able to add code just because it might be useful for someone in the future
08:38:57midkwell.. would it increase the core code size? i doubt it
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08:39:12LinusN1) code that nobody uses is dead code, taking valuable RAM
08:39:40LinusN2) a waste of developer time
08:39:47midkwell, ok, it would help me, so it has a function
08:40:03LinusNi know, and [IDC]Dragon just found an even better reason
08:40:22midkso, it's feasible
08:40:31[IDC]Dragonmidk: make a patch then ;-)
08:40:38midk*plus* it may be used more in the future
08:40:48LinusNi'll just figure out the best way to do it
08:40:53midkjust by the way... why is there a reference to global settings if it is in fact unusable in the plugins?
08:40:59midkin the plugin code*
08:41:08LinusNhonestly, i don't want it to be used any more that absolutely necessary
08:41:20[IDC]Dragonmidk: that's for reading
08:41:40LinusNi don't want to find my batteries flat just because a plugin decided that it wanted to keep the player on
08:42:10[IDC]Dragonmidk: it doesn't mean that changing a value will have an effect, because nobody applied the setting
08:43:04midkLOL linus
08:43:08midkno, it will be optional
08:43:20midkthey will have to TELL it each time they turn it on that they want it to stay on
08:43:40midksounds fair?
08:43:55midki think it's needed.. sorry if it's a hassle
08:44:26*LinusN is adding that feature
08:44:39midkthank you
08:44:51LinusN[IDC]Dragon: suggest a function name
08:44:56[IDC]Dragonbad lesson learned: bugging helps
08:44:59midkSET IDLE OFF ( NEVER ) ;;
08:45:19[IDC]Dragonwhich module would it be?
08:45:38midki am excellent at thinking up function names
08:45:40[IDC]Dragonpower_retrigger() ?
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08:45:53midkcheck this out
08:45:55midk * Binary mode
08:45:55midk **************/
08:45:55midkvoid binary(int hour, int minute, int second)
08:45:55DBUGSent KICK midk to server
08:45:55LinusNthe function will reset the poweroff timer
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08:46:19LinusNreset_poweroff_timer() :-)
08:46:32midkNOes!! set_idle_poweroff.
08:47:07LinusNmidk: i won't let you disable the poweroff timer
08:47:17midkok.. set it to 8h then?
08:47:18LinusNi will let you restart it
08:47:28Bagdersounds like a good idea
08:47:30LinusNso you have to do that again before the timer runs out
08:47:43midkjust put it in while(!plugin_ok)
08:47:46LinusNat least every minute
08:47:56midkrebooting; be right back, sirs.
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08:48:04[IDC]Dragonbefore committing:
08:48:10LinusNso that you won't forget to reenable it again
08:48:19[IDC]Dragoncan you fix a typo?
08:48:40[IDC]Dragonthere is a tread somewhere, instead of thread
08:49:19[IDC]Dragoninstead of remove_thread
08:50:18[IDC]DragonJens found that yesterday
08:50:21LinusNfixed it
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08:51:32midkyay, back.
08:55:28midkwhy is my internet so slow today
08:59:46midkrebooting again
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08:59:53Bagderwindows user, eh? ;-)
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09:02:46LinusNreset_poweroff_timer() it is
09:03:22LinusNand i removed last_keypress in button.c in favor of reset_poweroff_timer()
09:03:41midkwhat about tah button speedup
09:03:55LinusNi guess the disk timers can be removed as well, but i'll leave them for now
09:06:43[IDC]Dragonon another subject:
09:07:07[IDC]DragonI think I should rename "Sort Mode" to "Sort Case"
09:07:33midkHA yes.
09:08:00LinusN[IDC]Dragon: explain
09:08:12[IDC]Dragonor "Sort Case Sensitive", like the caption within the menu
09:08:44[IDC]Dragonin other cases, the menu title is identical to the caption within the selection
09:10:07[IDC]Dragon"Sort Mode" doesn't say much, but within the selection it becomes "Sort Case Sensitive", which truely describes it
09:10:51[IDC]Dragonthe voice UI would only say "Sort Mode", then allow to toggle yes/no
09:11:23midksort mode? hmm.. yes
09:17:39LinusNmidk: committed update_poweroff_timer()
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09:17:56midkwhat did you say
09:17:57LinusNsorry, reset_poweroff_timer()
09:18:04LinusNmidk: committed reset_poweroff_timer()
09:18:05midkmeant to click tab... right clicked and hit close :\
09:18:13midkexcellent, thank you sir linus.
09:18:29[IDC]DragonCaptain Linus, that is.
09:18:58[IDC]Dragoncongrats, btw
09:19:04LinusNcall it with an interval of < 1 minute
09:19:07LinusN[IDC]Dragon: thx
09:19:27midkill just put it in while(!pkugin_ok)
09:19:44midkand this also proves that arguing will prevail
09:32:19BlueChipCongratualtions Captain Linus ....mornin' all
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09:33:20midkhi bc
09:33:43RobbieVoxu ever sleep midk ?
09:34:00RobbieVoxmornin btw :)
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09:50:21[IDC]Dragonmoin is german
09:50:38Zagorit is? i thought it was just a sloppy "morning"
09:51:16[IDC]Dragonnorthern german slang
09:51:35[IDC]Dragonin the very north, they even say "moin moin"
09:51:45[IDC]Dragonand perhaps all day long
09:52:00[IDC]Dragonwe her say "moin" inthe morning
09:52:26[IDC]Dragon(medium north)
09:53:21scott666_gah, stupid ghost
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10:10:30[IDC]Dragonplease help me with the order when sorting by type
10:10:49Zagoralphabetic imho
10:11:01[IDC]Dragonshould bookmarks go before mp3 files? (like playlists will)
10:11:25LinusNi think so
10:11:28Zagoryes. otherwise we'll get lots in an eternal discussion about which types are more important and frequently used.
10:11:44[IDC]Dragonwe get them anyway ;-)
10:11:58Zagoryes, but now we can say we don't care about it :)
10:12:15[IDC]Dragonso, first playlists, then bookmarks, then mp3 files, then other types
10:12:51Zagorno, sort them alphabetically. all types treated alike.
10:13:09Zagor.bat files first! ;)
10:13:26[IDC]Dragonno, I meant when we are sorting by type (new feature)
10:13:40Zagoryes, sort the extensions alphabetically
10:13:54[IDC]Dragonthat wasn't the idea
10:14:04[IDC]DragonI'd like to use the attr value
10:14:06BlueChipafaic: so long as m3u is displayed as a group above mp3 I am happy - but may I suggest that bookmarks are probably even more important that m3u's to most (not me)
10:14:48Zagor[IDC]Dragon: ok, but that limits it a bit. and it will probably make people confused why their exe and com files are all mixed up
10:15:27[IDC]Dragonunrecognized types will be sorted to the end
10:15:38BlueChipbat, exe, com - who cares?
10:15:40LinusNlet the attribute values reflect the alphabetical sort order
10:16:03ZagorLinusN: types we don't support have no attributes
10:16:28Zagorwhy not sort alphabetically?
10:16:35[IDC]Dragonmy idea was to have a logic behind it when sorting by type
10:16:41LinusNBlueChip: i agree that bookmarks may be more "important" than playlists
10:17:03[IDC]Dragonso e.g. playlists will be ontop of mp3s
10:17:22Zagor[IDC]Dragon: by pure coincidence, alphabetical sorting will give you that
10:17:59Zagorand bookmarks on top
10:18:10[IDC]Dragonat least for the mentioned ones.
10:18:12LinusNno, .bat files on top :-)
10:18:15Zagor...and a clear and logical system that won't let people argue about type importance
10:18:32ZagorLinusN: ;)
10:18:45[IDC]DragonI should not have asked...
10:19:23[IDC]DragonI want the logics of an mp3 player behind it, not the alpabet
10:19:42Zagorif the end result is the same, what is the difference?
10:20:44scott666but if it isnt how can it ever be changed?
10:21:13Zagorscott666: the sort order? it's an option.
10:22:03scott666yeah but i mean if theres some other extension thats useful but at the end of the alphabet it'll never get moved up
10:22:35LinusNstill, i like the simplicity: sort by name, type, or date
10:22:49scott666will new rockbox file extension get named differently to have greater importance?
10:23:08[IDC]DragonI have planned a sort by type, not sort by extension (that might be another option)
10:23:37Zagor[IDC]Dragon: again, what is the difference if the end result is the same?
10:23:50scott666we could have name, type, date, and jörg's special sort...
10:23:55[IDC]Dragon.cfg, .ajz, ...
10:24:28BlueChipjpg will be the most annoying to have at the top for me
10:24:55[IDC]Dragonthat's a dynamic type and will be amoung the last
10:24:56Zagorhow many do you have in your music directories?
10:25:04BlueChipone per playlist
10:25:13BlueChipalbum art
10:25:32BlueChip_occasionally_ insde and back covers
10:25:40Zagorso where in the list should they be? before or after ajz? before or after .rvf? before or after .exe?
10:26:03Zagoronly sorting a handful of types is a half-solution, in my opinion
10:26:19BlueChipi would like to see: (bookmarks) playlists mp3s <the rest>
10:26:26[IDC]Dragonwe sort out known types, in a meaningful order
10:26:37ZagorBlueChip: yes, but how many other (strong) opinions do you think we'll see?
10:26:39[IDC]DragonBlueChip: agreed
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10:26:58Zagor<the rest> is 400 files. thank's for not sorting by type...
10:27:20[IDC]Dragonby extension, you mean.
10:27:35Zagorthat's the same in rockbox
10:27:51[IDC]Dragontypes are the known ones
10:28:11scott666so why not have the mp" player specific files sorted to the top, and then the rest sorted alphabetically
10:28:15Zagor...and how do we know them? we check the extension.
10:28:29BlueChipzagor: I'm sure everybody will have an opnion - and they will vary lots, when I did the volume thingie I did a little survey and tried my best to please everybody ....the above is just my preference ...for me it's no problem, if I dont like the order I will just tweak the code - LOL
10:28:50Zagorscott666: because we support an ever expanding list of file types. jpg, rvf, txt and ch8 are just a few. more will come.
10:28:52BlueChip<the rest> might be in alphabetical?
10:28:55LinusNsoer mode: <music related first>
10:28:58LinusNsort mode
10:29:48scott666but shouldnt rockbox be an mp3 player first?
10:31:06BlueChipperhaps make a list of all known extensions and get people to vote?
10:31:27scott666no, voting is never a good solution
10:31:57[IDC]Dragonauthority is. I do it my way. ;-)
10:32:05BlueChipvoting paid off for me and the volume thingie! :)
10:32:18[IDC]Dragonand Zagor changes it tomorrow
10:32:19scott666if youre going to vote you might as well make it customizable
10:32:44BlueChipquite the contrary, if you're gonna make if fully configurable, there is no need to tvote
10:32:48scott666BlueChip: but thats cause you were using a curve and not just 1 answer
10:33:42[IDC]DragonZagor: I don't understand the filetypes code. What attr value will it assign?
10:33:43scott666if people vote they will want it _their_ way ahen its implemented
10:33:50midkBlueChip, i learned tonight that arguing prevails :)
10:34:30BlueChipdemocracy: power to the people
10:34:48scott666if you put something up for public opinion then customizability will inevitably be demanded
10:34:51Zagoryeah, because design by committee always yields the best results...
10:34:53LinusNmidk: don't confuse "arguing" with "explaining your needs"
10:35:01midk:) linus
10:35:25scott666midk: is ClockBox final yet?
10:35:26midki surely won't if i ever run into a situation where i must explain my needs ;)
10:35:29midkscott666, no
10:35:41midkwhat do you think linus, zagor, bagder, idc?
10:35:45midkclockbox.rock? lool
10:35:46scott666AHH!! random cat
10:39:40Zagor[IDC]Dragon: return ((((unsigned int)exttypes[i].type -
10:39:40Zagor (unsigned int)&filetypes[0]) /
10:39:40Zagor sizeof(struct file_type)) << 8);
10:39:54Zagori think we need a comment on that ;)
10:41:06[IDC]Dragonah, it uses the array, not the #define TREE_ATTR_xx values
10:41:44[IDC]Dragonbecause I was expecting something like TREE_ATTR_LAST
10:41:58LinusNmidk: i don't really care that much about the name, but i think clock.rock is more descriptive than clockbox.rock
10:42:12midk*wonders if it would confuse the newbs :D
10:42:51LinusNi think the name should reflect what it is, i.e a clock
10:43:20midkthus how linusn gets his partypooper alias
10:43:22Zagormidk: so you must draw a box around the clock to call it clockbox ;)
10:43:22midkhehe jk :)
10:43:26midki agree i guess
10:44:03midkzagor: new features list of version 2.21: -now draws a rectangle around the lcd to prove that it's a clock box :D
10:45:03LinusNmidk: how's breakout going btw?
10:45:30midkneed to get the button repeat function put in for motivation? :)
10:46:01Zagori wonder if the xclef jogdial has several levels or is just a left/right switch
10:46:18Zagorif it has multilevel output it would be excellent for breakout-type games
10:47:10Zagordoesn't the ipod (or was it some other player) have a jogdial? anyone knows?
10:47:18midkipod has touch sensor wheel
10:47:38midkno jogdials
10:47:48midksamsung yp910 i think it was
10:47:54midkhas a job dial thing on the side
10:47:58midkthe napster-ish one?
10:49:01midka rocker-type jog dial
10:49:07midkgoes about 25 degrees either direction
10:49:13midkmay be multi level.. not sure
10:52:14midkjavascript: window.close()
10:52:36Zagoryeah, i saw
10:52:48midkit's tasty
10:52:52midker i mean
10:52:54midkit may be
10:52:58midkshould we check it out?
10:53:03Zagorlooks more like a slide switch than a multilevel control though
10:53:12midkno, i've used it
10:53:23Zagorfeel free. the more the merrier :)
10:53:24midkit rocks up and down
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11:04:59amiconnhi midk, all
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11:11:53midk|sleepgood night, sirs and captain
11:13:26BlueChipnite mk
11:14:13[IDC]Dragonfirst version with the sorting options done.
11:14:26[IDC]DragonI'll commit it, we can add a sort by extension later
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11:51:11LinusNc0utta: since f3 is non-configurable, is there a point in centralizing the f3 menu code?
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12:03:25LinusNlunch time
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12:14:49lImbusw00t: Apple provides an adapter to connect an iPod to the BMW-Car-Audio-System
12:15:22lImbuswe should've got patented those Alpine, UniLink and Panasonic/VAG-Solutions
12:18:22Zagornah, be happy manufacturers are finally realizing customers want to use the products
12:32:24*dwihno is growing to become the master of customer management
12:32:36dwihnoDon't ask them "How do you want it?"
12:32:57dwihnoYou simply tell them what they want and make them think it was their idea
12:34:13Zagorat always amazes me how most products are made to be sold, not used
12:36:10dwihnoYay for capitalism? :)
12:38:18Zagorshort term capitalism, yes
12:39:22Zagorhowever good products usually bring in more money in the long run
12:39:45Zagorthe eternal balancing act
12:40:09dwihnoThe key elements of our products is the goodness
12:40:22dwihnoWhich apparently become even more good when we get free hands.
12:40:43dwihno(I don't do software nowadays, just a reminder)
12:41:00Bagdera lost soul!
12:41:20Bagdercome back to the dark side!
12:41:41dwihnoNah, my mother told me software is bad for me, mmmkay.
12:41:53Zagorso you're into marketing now? ;)
12:42:01BagderI'll call your mom and have a talk, right now!
12:42:14dwihnoZagor: Computer graphics! \o/
12:44:44BagderlImbus: you seem to be getting up to speed in the rc5 race
12:48:27lImbusyup. I found the setting for RC5-72 'only'
12:49:24lImbusfurthermore I do fetch every 5 hours, so no '0 packets today' anymore
12:49:59lImbusthey even did an iPod<->smart:
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12:59:41scott666_this french ADSL seems to disc a hell of a lot
12:59:53*lImbus pours away coffee for today
13:01:11lImbusthere are even MORE conections between iPod and any Car Radio:
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13:09:17amiconnre Jörg
13:10:17[IDC]Dragonhi again
13:11:04[IDC]Dragontread_remove() typo is fixed
13:11:09amiconnUnfortunately I suspect your setting code having a bug - some settings are loaded correctly from a .cfg file, but are not persistent across reboots
13:11:40amiconnTo be precise, I observed this with the "voice directories" option
13:13:01LinusN[IDC]Dragon: 2 bits are not enough to hold the five options for talk_dir
13:19:07[IDC]Dragonmust be a copy-paste error, I doubt it has always been 2 bits
13:23:56[IDC]Dragoncorrection, this wasn't copied, I just goofed
13:25:53[IDC]DragonMaybe we should add a bit to the file sort mode, for all those about to come... (extension, etc)
13:27:42[IDC]DragonLinusN: I had another idea for the .cfg dump: for the non-scalar values, I could easily write the possible values into a comment
13:28:05[IDC]Dragonmaking it nice for hand-editing them
13:28:55Bagdersounds good to me
13:30:50[IDC]DragonWe have the comma-separated string of values anyway, so this needs very little extra code.
13:33:02LinusNi like it
13:36:18[IDC]DragonOK then
13:37:24[IDC]DragonLinusN: how did you see the 2 bit bug so quickly? This is amazing...
13:38:06Zagorlinus has magic ninja eyes
13:38:43Bagderhe's captain, remember that
13:38:54*[IDC]Dragon has colon eyes
13:39:29[IDC]DragonI need some more then ::-)
13:40:04LinusN[IDC]Dragon: years of training
13:40:19[IDC]Dragonwith what?
13:40:28LinusNor rather, i did the same mistake when changing the sound settings yesterday
13:41:22dwihno\o/ Linus \o/
13:46:16Zagorhmm... two people drowning, asking linus to rescue them?
13:46:31Bagderaye aye
13:46:38Zagorcaptain linus to the rescue!
13:46:49[IDC]DragonLinus sinking his boat with a friend
13:57:41[IDC]Dragon\o/ /−−−−−−\ \o/
13:59:13*LinusN doesn't even have a boat
13:59:26Zagorso we see :)
13:59:41Bagdership, its called a ship
14:01:38LinusNvessel :-)
14:02:21[IDC]Dragonspaceships are becoming fashion
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14:15:07RobbieVoxshould patches work with all builds ?
14:15:31Bagderpatches don't "work with builds"
14:16:03Bagderpatches are source modifications
14:16:13RobbieVoxsorry, ok should they work with any source
14:16:29scott666patches should compile no matter what target you compile for
14:16:37Bagdernot if the source changed in an incompatible way
14:16:54Bagderwhich happens
14:17:08Bagderthen you need to tweak it manually
14:17:11RobbieVoxye think this is so
14:17:17LinusNin fact, most patches in the tracker are probably out of date
14:17:25[IDC]Dragonthe new settings code probably broke most patches
14:17:27Bagderyeps, more or less
14:17:43Bagder"If your files have changed too much for the patch to work, it will save the sections of the patch that aren't possible to apply in a file called "filename.rej" (filename being the name of the file for which the failing section was intended for). Then you must take care of them manually."
14:18:12RobbieVoxahh all i get if a filename prompt
14:18:27Bagderthen read that docs
14:18:30RobbieVoxi think its a source filename rather than destination tho
14:18:47Bagderit asks for file name if it can't figure it out by itself
14:18:57Bagderwhich usually happens because you have the wrong -p argument
14:19:27RobbieVoxdont think i need > p1
14:19:36RobbieVoxworth a try tho
14:20:48LinusNRobbieVox: note that the patches in the tracker are submitted by "outside" developers
14:21:04RobbieVoxyes agreed
14:21:38LinusNso we have no idea if they work, or if they can be applied to the current CVS source
14:21:50RobbieVoxhave emailed the submitter so will see
14:22:20scott666what patch is it?
14:22:37RobbieVoxmust be for a certain rls then as its looking for a non existent .c in firmwares/drivers
14:22:52LinusNwhich patch is it?
14:22:53RobbieVoxthe remote tx patch in kernel
14:25:36RobbieVoxthe .diff is only june tho things changed so much since then ?
14:26:27scott666apparently :-)
14:27:06scott666blame jörg ;-)
14:27:16Bagderwe do it on purpose to keep users alert! ;-P
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14:27:48RobbieVoxhmm might be worth trying to patch 2.2 ful rls then as it would have been before the .diff
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18:02:53elinenbeBlueChip: you here?
18:04:28BlueChipgeez, i've managed to upset someone else on the list - you got a gun to hand so I can go shoot myself
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19:28:41amiconnZagor: Just to think about, since I'll be away immediately: This evening I will rebuild the voice files cause of the new entries, after syncing deutsch.lang. Did you already think about how these files could be put on the rockbox page by contributors? Does the wiki allow for binary attachments?
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19:37:45Zagoramiconn: yes it does
19:38:00Zagorthat's probably the easiest solution for now
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21:54:22amiconnhi mattzz
21:54:32mattzzhi jens
21:55:18amiconnPerhaps you have an idea: I'm currently reworking the deutsch.lang file
21:55:41amiconn"Start recording" was recently changed to "Recording screen"
21:55:48amiconnin english.lang
21:56:18amiconnI have no idea how to express this short and clear in german
21:56:25mattzzhow about "Rekorder" ?
21:56:54mattzzor "Aufnehmen" / "Aufnahme"
21:56:59amiconnHmm. Record/recording is translated "Aufnahme" elsewhere
21:57:42*mattzz switches his box to german
21:58:28*amiconn uses german almost always, although he does understand english
21:58:45mattzzok, you are talking about the menu entry that is currently called "Aufnahme starten"?
21:59:21amiconnI doesn't really start recording by itself, that's why it was renamed in english.lang
22:00:34mattzzI would still call it "Aufnehmen" because it gets you there.
22:00:56mattzzBut I totally got your point
22:01:34amiconnIf you translate it strict, "Aufnahmebildschirm" sound really odd
22:01:50mattzzOr call it "Rekorder" because the screen that is shown then _is_ a recorder
22:02:31amiconnI think I'll settle for "Rekorder".
22:04:00mattzz"Aufnameeinstellung" is one character too long in standard font
22:05:34amiconnIt is "Aufnahmeeinstellungen"; not too long for me (using rockfont-8)
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22:06:17mattzzI see "Aufnameeinstellun"
22:06:34mattzzRek. Einstellungen?
22:07:08amiconnI think I won't change that, because of 2 reasons
22:07:36amiconn(1) it depends on the font, even shorter menu items get clipped when using larger fonts
22:07:53amiconn(2) there are a number of _much_ longer menu items
22:08:09mattzzPressing F2 e.g. garbles my screen
22:08:25lImbus|foodamiconn, mattzz: Aufnahmemodus ?
22:08:34mattzzUsing the standard (default) font
22:08:59amiconnlImbus|food: Nice idea, thanks
22:09:09mattzzlImbus|food: I vote for that
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22:10:09amiconnmattzz: For the F2 business - this did also annoy me.
22:10:22amiconnHowever, this cannot be changed easily, because it is one of the rare cases where one string is used for two different things. Doh!
22:11:08amiconnlImbus: changed.
22:13:19mattzzamiconn: I technical stuff is the reason for the garbled screen, then it is really... eeeehhm... stupid?
22:14:21amiconnYes. I'll see if I can change this (after my current rework and voice file re-generation)
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22:14:38mattzzamiconn: I appreciate that ;-)
22:15:25amiconnmattzz: As you are (the) wiki expert - is it possible to format an attachment list?
22:16:28mattzzamiconn: sure, hide the attachment on the wiki page and create a table with links in it: %ATTACHURLPATH% will be your friend
22:17:09amiconnAh ok. I'm asking because I want to do the "voice files" page within the wiki, and attach all currently available voice files
22:19:23mattzzif you do something like [[%ATTACHURLPATH%/][voicefile]] that should work after attaching a
22:21:42mattzzI can provide a startpage if you need help
22:22:06mattzzthat was swedish?
22:23:06amiconnI already had a look at the wiki syntax; it isn't really difficult, as I've done html page before.
22:24:38amiconnThe only thing that is not that easy is finding the help pages within the wiki. If I go to "edit" a page, there could be links to the various syntax help pages
22:25:32mattzzbut there _is_ a syntax link if you edit a page
22:26:28amiconndidn't see that
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22:54:32amiconnlImbus, mattzz: I'm almost done with my deutsch.lang rework, only one problem left - AT&T Klara can't pronounce "alphabetisch" correctly. Perhaps I should go for the new orthography - "alfabetisch"
22:54:41amiconnLooks a bit odd to me though
22:56:00lImbusmhm. should I Speechify-Tessa it for you ?
22:57:16amiconnNo really necessary. The alternative is an additional entry in the "pronunciaction correction table" within my script.
22:57:35amiconnI wonder if the "deutsch.lang" should generally use old or new german orthography
22:57:41lImbusyou ought to teach me how to do anyway
22:58:14lImbusand I still wonder WTF they are doing at natural voices labs if the 'ph' is not pronounced as 'f' ?
22:58:32lImbuscan't remember any user/customber complaining this
22:58:34midk"pee aych"
22:58:47lImbusmidk: for german
22:59:00amiconnIt seems that while the engine gernerally knows about special combinations, it does not always detect them
22:59:36amiconnE.g. the german engine properly pronounces the "au" in "Lauf", but not in "Suchlauf"
23:00:04amiconnYou have to write "Such-lauf" to get it pronounced properly
23:00:19lImbusis the pronunciaction correction table part of the at&t-software (I know others have) or REALLY a part of yours ?
23:01:10amiconnIt is a table contained in my script to "pre-mangle" problematic strings (as "Suchlauf" -> "Such-lauf")
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23:01:59Bagderhowdy hardeep
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23:06:22midkhello captain bagder
23:10:31amiconnmattzz: voice files done, trying to make the wiki page
23:12:25mattzzI will be watching you ;-)
23:14:08elinenbehello hardeep, Bagder, midk, and amiconn
23:19:50dstarwhat about... me?
23:20:08mattzzyeah, what about you? ;-)
23:24:26elinenbehi dstar and mattzz
23:24:41midkhi elinenbe
23:24:44mattzzhi elinenbe
23:25:29mattzzmust be some delay on the line
23:28:57mattzzgotta leave folx - c u l8er
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23:32:01dstarbye veryone
23:32:04dstari love you all!
23:32:14dstarexcept zagor atm
23:32:17dstarbecause he was mean
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23:47:36uskisee ya folks
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23:56:11lImbusamiconn: I think I can get a tool that helps manual recording/speaking of voice-strings. quality is so much better than tts.
23:56:44lImbusI'm just thinking of this as I am still using the UK-english.voice for comfort.
23:57:27lImbusthis plus a few nice female voices ...
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