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| 00:14:17 | Dlh | hello |
| 00:18:24 | BlueChip | hi |
| 00:19:56 | Dlh | do the new gmini products have digital in and out? |
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| 00:23:00 | bOiNk | my FM Recorder has some problems while startup :/ |
| 00:23:16 | BlueChip | Dlh: sorry, no idea |
| 00:24:01 | bOiNk | the LED only flashes for a second while pushing "ON" |
| 00:24:19 | BlueChip | does it help to squeeze the sides? |
| 00:24:21 | bOiNk | it only starts loadin the firmware after a few tries |
| 00:24:25 | BlueChip | is it mains connected? |
| 00:25:07 | bOiNk | nope, nothing connected |
| 00:25:28 | Dlh | hmmm, any idea of where to get the normal recorder models in germany? i only get the new av or gmini at ebay ;( |
| 00:25:39 | bOiNk | www.promarkt.de |
| 00:26:01 | BlueChip | you will want a Version 1 |
| 00:26:01 | bOiNk | 199€ for FM Recorder |
| 00:26:24 | BlueChip | no digi out |
| 00:27:33 | bOiNk | any1 heard about issues with turning on the jukebox ? |
| 00:27:51 | bOiNk | don't know if it's a hardware problem |
| 00:28:01 | BlueChip | did you answer my two questins? |
| 00:28:38 | Dlh | yep blue, i need one with digital out |
| 00:29:22 | BlueChip | hmm, think there is cross talk ...dlh: you will need a v1 recorder that takes AA batteries |
| 00:29:47 | BlueChip | bOiNk: two Q's, 1: Sqeezing? 2: main power? |
| 00:30:16 | Dlh | hehe |
| 00:30:22 | BlueChip | Dlh: I have a felling that you could put the digi out back in the fm with a hardware mod |
| 00:30:57 | bOiNk | it's a bit difficult right now, 'cause if it has started once, it will turn on more regularly |
| 00:31:10 | bOiNk | so maybe squeezing helps a bit |
| 00:31:17 | Dlh | i'm not very good at soldering ;/ |
| 00:31:27 | bOiNk | but it's not connected to main pwer |
| 00:31:57 | BlueChip | bOiNk: my money says you are suffering the ever popular - "battery isn't in properly" problem |
| 00:32:23 | BlueChip | Dlh: then tracking down a V1 it is (far better in all but sizre and weight) |
| 00:32:40 | bOiNk | well, display & both lamps are flashing the whole time |
| 00:32:56 | bOiNk | but firmware doesn't load |
| 00:33:00 | Dlh | hmmm, or do you got any papers on how to do that mod? won't be easy but at least i can try |
| 00:33:12 | bOiNk | so it has power |
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| 00:33:43 | BlueChip | Dlh: sorry, not me, the man you need to speak to is not here right now - i would post to the mailing list if I were you |
| 00:34:26 | BlueChip | bOiNk: now you say it works and everything flashes? hmmmm |
| 00:34:49 | Dlh | whos the man? :) |
| 00:34:50 | BlueChip | bOiNk: and in what way does sqeezing change this? |
| 00:35:21 | bOiNk | hehe... i guess i should make a movie of that :D |
| 00:35:30 | BlueChip | Dlh: if you post openly to the ml, that is my idea ....if I had to name one person with the knowledge, it will be [idc]dragon |
| 00:36:08 | BlueChip | bOiNk: why not, remotely debugging a hardware fault that either keeps changing or is only partially reported one bit at a time, is nigh impossible |
| 00:36:33 | Dlh | hmmm, i think i wait sometime in here... i don't have to get this thing tomorrow ;) |
| 00:37:12 | BlueChip | Dlh: your call, maybe you know something I don't ;) hee hee |
| 00:38:24 | Dlh | btw nice plugins... |
| 00:38:51 | BlueChip | Dlh: cheers dude, just finishing off the Klondike right now - all new singing and dancing card game engine :) |
| 00:39:45 | BlueChip | do you code? |
| 00:40:10 | Dlh | i used some time ago... i have to start from the beginning again |
| 00:40:43 | Dlh | i coded in mid-class c some years ago... but now i first wanted to learn pascal and then jump over |
| 00:41:16 | BlueChip | i would say forget pascal, it is (sadly) a dead language :( |
| 00:41:17 | bOiNk | i'll try a second description : i hold "ON", both lamps are lit up the whole time, Display flashes up shortly in an intervall of a few seconds, and just after a few tries the firmware loads up |
| 00:42:05 | BlueChip | bOiNk: when it fails, is it about when the hdd spins up? |
| 00:42:30 | bOiNk | i think so |
| 00:42:55 | Dlh | yeah but pascal is nice for a "jump-in" since i don't have so much time atm |
| 00:43:03 | BlueChip | bOiNk: I really am betting on it being a dodgy contact problem - these units are renouned for it |
| 00:43:26 | bOiNk | dammit |
| 00:43:33 | Dlh | hmmm, the new a/v devices are looking nice |
| 00:44:13 | BlueChip | bOiNk: the hdd is what sucks all the power ..if it dies with the hdd, a bad contact can be the cause of reduced power ...I dont own one, but I understand sqeezing the sides will help if this is the problem |
| 00:44:46 | BlueChip | Dlh: yes, but I only go for hackable kit personally |
| 00:45:22 | bOiNk | the weird thing is, when it has started finally i don't have any problems with power/HDD |
| 00:46:16 | Dlh | those aren't hackable? |
| 00:46:26 | BlueChip | bOiNk: try sqeezing and twisting to get it to shut off again (obviously dont actually twist it so hard you break it! :)) |
| 00:46:44 | bOiNk | :) |
| 00:46:47 | BlueChip | Dlh: well, there is no current hack scene I know of ...the av units have a scene |
| 00:46:58 | BlueChip | avos.sf.net |
| 00:48:13 | bOiNk | well thx so far, gotta go now, bye |
| 00:48:53 | BlueChip | bOiNk: come back if you get closer and need more help :) |
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| 01:08:48 | scott666 | Dlh: [idc]dragon is definitely the man to talk to about changing the FMRs digital i to o |
| 01:09:18 | scott666 | ive heard him talking about how its not very hard to do at some point, but i dont know any of hte details |
| 01:09:35 | Dlh | hmmm, that sounds good |
| 01:09:51 | BlueChip | the electronics are DEFINITLEY there |
| 01:09:52 | scott666 | but just getting a V1 recorder will make things a lot simpler in the end |
| 01:10:03 | BlueChip | (complete with typo) |
| 01:10:09 | Dlh | i just search a device with digital out, hd which is cheap |
| 01:10:09 | Dlh | :) |
| 01:10:12 | BlueChip | no battery problems |
| 01:10:54 | BlueChip | hey scotty, you developing at the moment/ |
| 01:11:08 | scott666 | developing? |
| 01:11:15 | BlueChip | doing rockbox coding? |
| 01:11:31 | scott666 | at the moment? no |
| 01:11:35 | BlueChip | ok |
| 01:11:47 | scott666 | im alt-tabbed from warcraft to look around and see if im missing anything |
| 01:11:53 | BlueChip | lol |
| 01:12:15 | scott666 | if the answer is no i go play another game, if its yes i hang around until theres nothing better to do |
| 01:13:14 | BlueChip | righty, well you may be missing ...i had fun with the ui last night :) |
| 01:13:15 | scott666 | i saw your comment about the new signing dancing card enguine |
| 01:13:30 | BlueChip | just doing the klondike end of game sequence right now |
| 01:13:46 | scott666 | im not sure why that word seems like it needs a 'u' |
| 01:14:06 | BlueChip | that's the french in you :) |
| 01:14:17 | scott666 | there isnt any french in me... |
| 01:14:19 | BlueChip | you are infected! |
| 01:14:39 | scott666 | that could be |
| 01:14:43 | BlueChip | that french beef will be in your colon for the rest of your life now! |
| 01:14:57 | scott666 | lol |
| 01:15:16 | scott666 | like how mushrooms stay in your brain? |
| 01:15:40 | BlueChip | it's not the mushrooms that kill your brain, it's what they're grown in - bwaaahahahahahaha |
| 01:16:39 | scott666 | cow poop? |
| 01:16:55 | BlueChip | yummy, my favourite :) |
| 01:16:58 | Dlh | good night... |
| 01:17:03 | BlueChip | nite Dlh |
| 01:17:03 | scott666 | lol |
| 01:17:05 | BlueChip | lol |
| 01:17:07 | scott666 | nite |
| 01:17:23 | scott666 | bah! damn your brittish spelling |
| 01:20:01 | BlueChip | I honour the favour that you imply with vigour and such colourful words, it is nay your demise. |
| 01:20:39 | BlueChip | (i prezume you do the Z-thing with "demise") |
| 01:20:48 | scott666 | no? |
| 01:20:59 | scott666 | demise |
| 01:21:22 | BlueChip | oh well, pick a word where the s and been converted into a z |
| 01:21:25 | scott666 | what is this "Z-thing" of which you speak? |
| 01:21:28 | BlueChip | and->has |
| 01:21:39 | BlueChip | improvising? |
| 01:21:46 | BlueChip | would you z that word? |
| 01:21:59 | scott666 | realize |
| 01:22:09 | scott666 | prize |
| 01:22:09 | BlueChip | yeah, that's what I meant ...realise :) |
| 01:22:22 | BlueChip | no, prize is okay |
| 01:22:35 | scott666 | realize it is then |
| 01:22:39 | BlueChip | :) |
| 01:23:02 | BlueChip | I realize the favour that you imply with vigour and such colourful words. |
| 01:23:16 | BlueChip | I realise the favour that you imply with vigour and such colourful words. |
| 01:23:18 | BlueChip | d'oh |
| 01:23:20 | scott666 | hahaha |
| 01:23:50 | BlueChip | I didn't include W*nk*r or Queue |
| 01:24:08 | scott666 | or check |
| 01:24:17 | BlueChip | next time ;) |
| 01:25:52 | scott666 | i like the idea that this wont be the last time i curse your brittish spelling |
| 01:26:12 | BlueChip | splitters |
| 01:31:09 | scott666 | can i be first in line to test the new klondike? |
| 01:39:43 | BlueChip | nothing new to see until you win |
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| 07:15:12 | BlueChip | Linus, any idea how I get the win32sim to call WM_TIMER more frequently |
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| 07:16:04 | LinusN | BlueChip: not sure, i'm not that much into win32 progrmaming |
| 07:16:41 | LinusN | bit wm_timer is a windows message, isn't it? |
| 07:16:56 | BlueChip | yes, but it is not called frequently enough :( |
| 07:17:06 | BlueChip | can't find the source of the call! |
| 07:17:14 | LinusN | you mean it isn't called for every WM_TIMER msg? |
| 07:17:51 | LinusN | look in uisw32.c |
| 07:17:54 | BlueChip | no, it is called about 1/6th of the frequency than which it should |
| 07:18:10 | LinusN | case WM_TIMER: |
| 07:18:10 | LinusN | current_tick++; |
| 07:18:23 | BlueChip | that's the destination ...but what calls it? |
| 07:18:36 | LinusN | windows does |
| 07:18:40 | BlueChip | i currently have tick+=6 as a half-botch |
| 07:18:58 | LinusN | W_TIMER is called 18 times a second iirc |
| 07:19:05 | LinusN | called == sent |
| 07:19:11 | BlueChip | ohhhhhh right! |
| 07:19:19 | BlueChip | that makes sense |
| 07:19:29 | LinusN | if you want a faster time, start one |
| 07:19:34 | LinusN | timer |
| 07:19:48 | BlueChip | no idea how - windoze programming is not my area either |
| 07:19:59 | LinusN | :-) |
| 07:20:19 | LinusN | i did that once, many years ago |
| 07:20:34 | BlueChip | well, if you ever find the code ... :) |
| 07:23:50 | BlueChip | hmmm, msdn has some bits |
| 07:23:52 | LinusN | just checked, seems it's in the land of the Lost Sources |
| 07:23:54 | * | BlueChip goes a hackin' |
| 07:24:05 | BlueChip | thanks for checkin' dude :) |
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| 09:02:06 | BlueChip | Well, I've got the timer ticking at the right speed, but cannot achieve an accuracy better than "about" 4.55 ticks |
| 09:02:20 | LinusN | because...? |
| 09:02:36 | BlueChip | i cannot fire off a timer event every HZ seconds |
| 09:02:44 | BlueChip | HZ times per Secons |
| 09:02:48 | BlueChip | d |
| 09:03:55 | BlueChip | according to all the msdn docs SetTimer(hWnd, TIMER_EVENT, 1000/HZ, NULL); should work ....but doens't |
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| 09:06:31 | LinusN | BlueChip: so it doesn't send TIMER_EVENT in the rate you asked for? |
| 09:07:11 | BlueChip | correct |
| 09:07:51 | BlueChip | I can set it to say 3 seconds, but no faster than about 18.2/S |
| 09:08:26 | BlueChip | So I've bodged it all with RDTSC |
| 09:09:00 | LinusN | i remember having to use some special (DirectX) ninja timer... |
| 09:11:20 | BlueChip | "waitable timer objects"?? |
| 09:12:13 | LinusN | doh, i just found my (pacman) sources |
| 09:18:43 | BlueChip | does it have the desired feature? |
| 09:24:52 | LinusN | http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/multimed/htm/_win32_multimedia_timers.asp |
| 09:25:16 | LinusN | BlueChip: my sources use another approach |
| 09:25:27 | LinusN | not very usable |
| 09:25:37 | LinusN | check the multimedia timers instead |
| 09:25:43 | BlueChip | hey, thanks for the link - I will try those :) |
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| 10:01:05 | midk | hey linusn |
| 10:01:16 | midk | i've figured out a simple way to do a countdown feature for the counter... |
| 10:11:36 | LinusN | shoot |
| 10:12:30 | midk | oh, just sent values for temp_hour/min/second and then do a simpel computation to check the time remaining till you get there |
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| 10:24:56 | amiconn | hi all |
| 10:25:15 | midk | hey amiconn |
| 10:25:22 | BlueChip | mornin' |
| 10:25:34 | amiconn | No Linus here? |
| 10:26:13 | BlueChip | he's about |
| 10:27:09 | BlueChip | he got batch signed off just now |
| 10:27:33 | midk | it's called a netsplit. |
| 10:27:37 | midk | hi bc. |
| 10:28:01 | amiconn | Yup, looks like a netsplit (from the logs) |
| 10:28:07 | BlueChip | hey mk |
| 10:28:09 | amiconn | Hmmm. |
| 10:28:26 | midk | hmm |
| 10:28:36 | midk | cant remember what i was gonna do with a plane with so many segments. |
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| 10:30:15 | amiconn | Hi Jörg |
| 10:30:25 | [IDC]Dragon | hello Jens |
| 10:30:43 | [IDC]Dragon | itching to enable fast ATA? |
| 10:31:01 | amiconn | I hate netsplits... |
| 10:31:19 | [IDC]Dragon | Linus is on "the other side" |
| 10:32:36 | [IDC]Dragon | I wonder why net splits happen so frequently, I don't find other internet services so unreliable |
| 10:32:41 | amiconn | The round robin sometimes does strange things... at least *I* got connected to a swedish server |
| 10:33:33 | midk | hi, can someone do me a favor... |
| 10:33:35 | midk | http://www.rioworld.org/yabbse/index.php?board=1 |
| 10:33:47 | midk | i need to know the server for the 'new irc chit chat' sticky topic |
| 10:34:43 | Zagor | it says in the link you posted: irc.slashnet.org |
| 10:34:59 | midk | tahnk you |
| 10:35:04 | midk | i was banned form the forum for a week.. |
| 10:35:12 | midk | i'm not a bad person! |
| 10:35:13 | midk | :) |
| 10:35:21 | [IDC]Dragon | misbehaving? |
| 10:35:28 | midk | no |
| 10:35:34 | midk | "rogue" admin |
| 10:36:00 | [IDC]Dragon | probably you've asked too much about rio clock features |
| 10:36:13 | midk | haha, no.. they have no good click |
| 10:36:15 | midk | just a statusbar one |
| 10:36:40 | * | Zagor added an IriverInfo wiki page |
| 10:37:01 | midk | ooh |
| 10:37:16 | midk | zagor |
| 10:37:21 | midk | it's iRiver, not Iriver. |
| 10:37:23 | midk | :) |
| 10:37:35 | Zagor | yeah but wiki topics must be spelled that way |
| 10:37:42 | Zagor | iKnow ;) |
| 10:38:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I begin to be fascinated by that iRiver |
| 10:38:15 | midk | *doesn't like people who say Ipod instead of iPod |
| 10:38:19 | midk | Ipods suck btw |
| 10:38:20 | midk | :) |
| 10:38:37 | Zagor | how can you tell caps in speech? |
| 10:38:44 | [IDC]Dragon | looks more promising that the Xclef |
| 10:38:53 | [IDC]Dragon | than |
| 10:39:09 | midk | i mean |
| 10:39:16 | midk | people who textify Ipod isntead of iPod |
| 10:39:40 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: yeah, esp the 320 looks nice and has gotten rid of the annoying "knob" navigation interface |
| 10:40:00 | midk | i tried the knob once.. it feels sort of chintzy |
| 10:40:08 | midk | rusty. |
| 10:40:12 | Zagor | seems like pretty much the same hardware though |
| 10:40:31 | [IDC]Dragon | I was rathe eying at the iHP140 |
| 10:40:38 | Zagor | both based on Motorolas 5249 reference design |
| 10:40:56 | midk | "[New Product] Craft 2 and it''s review on ign.com" |
| 10:41:00 | midk | ITS not IT'S |
| 10:41:14 | midk | that is another thing that bugs me.. but.. i'll stop talking about that now. |
| 10:41:18 | Zagor | midk: they are both valid, just different meanings |
| 10:41:25 | [IDC]Dragon | reference design about what? |
| 10:41:36 | midk | yes but in that sentence it should be its |
| 10:41:43 | midk | "it is on it's way" |
| 10:41:45 | midk | blech. |
| 10:43:51 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: motorola 5249 reference design / evaluation board |
| 10:44:25 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, but for general purpose or foe an audio player? |
| 10:45:32 | Zagor | for audio player |
| 10:45:46 | [IDC]Dragon | interesting |
| 10:46:10 | [IDC]Dragon | do the 3 iRiver folks know that? |
| 10:46:22 | Zagor | the 5249 is targetted for these types of devices |
| 10:46:29 | Zagor | i would guess so |
| 10:46:59 | [IDC]Dragon | the 320 is a 120 with color display? |
| 10:47:09 | midk | http://www.iriver.ru/product/2004/imp-1100-4.jpg |
| 10:47:12 | midk | did anyone see this? |
| 10:47:37 | Zagor | there are more hardware changes too, new button layout and dual usb ports are the ones visible from the outside |
| 10:47:40 | [IDC]Dragon | looks like a useless CD player |
| 10:48:17 | midk | haha |
| 10:48:21 | midk | with a 2" color lcd. |
| 10:48:29 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: and it put on weight |
| 10:48:33 | amiconn | Iirc Motorola 5249 is Coldfire, and Coldfire is a bit similar to m68k... interesting |
| 10:49:04 | Zagor | both xlef and iriver use the same cpu, ram and flash. i would say if we port to one we could support the other easily |
| 10:49:13 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: right |
| 10:49:25 | [IDC]Dragon | "easily" ;-) |
| 10:49:35 | Zagor | well, everything is relative :) |
| 10:50:13 | [IDC]Dragon | have you seen my discussion with 2 of the folks yesterday afternoon? |
| 10:50:37 | [IDC]Dragon | we happened to meet here |
| 10:51:00 | Zagor | yes, i saw that in the log |
| 10:54:00 | [IDC]Dragon | do you have more info about that reference design? |
| 10:54:51 | * | [IDC]Dragon googles |
| 10:55:20 | midk | just curious, on the sourceforge page what does "RFE" mean |
| 10:55:24 | Zagor | i found a pdf in iriverlounge.de: http://www.iriverlounge.de/pdf/semicond/M5249C3SCH.pdf |
| 10:55:25 | midk | patches, bugs etc |
| 10:55:29 | midk | i know it is feature request.. |
| 10:55:36 | midk | but what does it stand for? |
| 10:55:41 | Zagor | midk: request for enhancement |
| 10:55:48 | midk | ahhhh |
| 10:55:50 | midk | thank you |
| 10:55:55 | midk | that has bugged me a few years now |
| 10:56:01 | Zagor | haha |
| 10:56:15 | midk | "requestead feature e...?" |
| 10:56:27 | midk | requested* |
| 10:56:48 | midk | i'm slow tonight.. i forget why i was going to patches in the first place. |
| 10:56:53 | midk | or no wait |
| 10:56:57 | midk | i was going to irc |
| 10:56:59 | amiconn | midk: Request For Enhancement |
| 10:57:00 | midk | why did i click patches? |
| 10:57:06 | midk | thanks amiconn, zagor just answered |
| 10:57:15 | amiconn | (oops, too slow) |
| 10:58:00 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Porting to iRiver means H1 / H300 series, right? |
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| 11:02:13 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: yes |
| 11:02:38 | [IDC]Dragon | don't know if the 3x0 is out yet |
| 11:03:49 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't like color displays |
| 11:04:05 | [IDC]Dragon | you don't see anything without backlight |
| 11:04:26 | [IDC]Dragon | (at least on the ones I've seen) |
| 11:05:53 | amiconn | I don't like these small color lcds either... |
| 11:06:20 | amiconn | ..for the same reason as you, and additionally the colors are not very natural |
| 11:06:58 | amiconn | But for some people the "USB on the go" function could be very useful |
| 11:07:04 | [IDC]Dragon | and it doesn't help a music player |
| 11:07:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm AFK now |
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| 11:08:48 | midk|sleep | sleep now. |
| 11:08:49 | midk|sleep | nite |
| 11:08:57 | BlueChip | nite |
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| 12:31:25 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 12:31:25 | amiconn | back from the split ;-) |
| 12:31:25 | Dlh | good morning |
| 12:45:13 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi again |
| 12:46:35 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: To add something to the color lcd theme: such lcd is definitely nice to have when you are going to implement video playback ;-) |
| 12:47:02 | [IDC]Dragon | too much data then |
| 12:47:38 | [IDC]Dragon | how boring, doing video on a display which is video-capable |
| 12:48:32 | amiconn | The original iRiver firmware does not support video playback iirc |
| 12:50:06 | [IDC]Dragon | does anybody know the resulution of the iRiver H320 display? |
| 12:54:56 | Dlh | hmmm, iRiver or archos? what's the better way? :) |
| 12:56:39 | [IDC]Dragon | for what? |
| 12:56:46 | Dlh | to buy now :) |
| 12:57:09 | Zagor | if you want rockbox, buy an archos |
| 12:57:13 | [IDC]Dragon | while you still can, buy an old-model Archos |
| 12:57:28 | [IDC]Dragon | we're talkin about the time after |
| 12:57:32 | Dlh | hm, where? got about 200euros |
| 12:57:59 | Dlh | would be nice if it's got a digi out |
| 12:58:20 | [IDC]Dragon | it boes |
| 12:58:25 | amiconn | I found an offer for a v1 Recorder (new, 20 GB) for € 199,- last week by googling around |
| 12:58:25 | [IDC]Dragon | does |
| 12:58:56 | [IDC]Dragon | so prices are going up again |
| 12:59:45 | Dlh | this is the one with 2mb ram right? |
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| 13:01:18 | amiconn | Dlh: Yes (all archos models supported by Rockbox have 2 MB of RAM factory-installed) |
| 13:06:23 | Dlh | hmmm, mal sehen, dann geb ich meinen gleich mal beim mediamarkt ab und hoffe dass ich die 100 euro zurückbekomme *g* |
| 13:11:52 | amiconn | Dlh: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006LPO0/qid=1089025864/sr=1-3_pi/ref=sr_sp_prod/028-6261591-9610962 |
| 13:12:33 | amiconn | Whoops, this is the "special edition" aka v2. The picture is obviously wrong. |
| 13:27:30 | amiconn | There was another offer of a real v1 Recorder (at www.techno-land.com) but it seems that it is gone... |
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| 14:40:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Are you around? |
| 14:47:40 | LinusN | yup |
| 14:47:57 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm here |
| 14:48:50 | amiconn | I wonder if we should enable the fast ata routines in the official builds. |
| 14:49:59 | amiconn | While we do have reports by one user only, it seems that the problems leading to file system corruption are fixed now. |
| 14:50:10 | LinusN | i'm ok with it, just let me check with björn as well |
| 14:51:48 | amiconn | The latest report by Andreas (groovingandi) seems to support my theory about the mask/ disk combination that caused the problem back then. |
| 14:52:45 | LinusN | give me a few minutes to confirm with björn, he's in a meeting right now |
| 14:52:53 | amiconn | Ok. |
| 14:58:38 | Zagor | how many people that failed the last test has done the new one? |
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| 15:01:34 | elinenbe | so, is anyone going to "check out" the ihp 120? |
| 15:03:03 | amiconn | Zagor: The problem with my first test (that did only read) was that did not fail for anyone. |
| 15:03:27 | amiconn | Back in February, 3 people reported problems with file system corruption. |
| 15:04:13 | amiconn | All 3 people did my first test, and reported no problems. |
| 15:04:38 | Zagor | elinenbe: it seems a couple of german guys are working a bit on it. the hardware is not very strange, it's basically Motorola's 5246 evaluation board. someone just needs to do the basic gruntwork like flash code |
| 15:04:58 | amiconn | Zagor: The new test was done by several people. No one reported problems with it. |
| 15:05:18 | Zagor | amiconn: was there ever a test that identified a problem? |
| 15:05:41 | elinenbe | Zagor: that sounds nice −− that is a gorgeous piece of hardware... |
| 15:06:23 | amiconn | Zagor: What makes me a bit hesitant about enabling fast ata is that only one of the 3 people reporting file system corruption back then did the new test |
| 15:07:11 | amiconn | Zagor: The new test is not a synthetic test, but a real world test (stock Rockbox compiled with and without enabled fast disk reading and/or writing) |
| 15:09:31 | amiconn | I did also compile a version from cvs 2004-02-01, and this one still produced file system errors on Pedro's box, different from my test version with both fast reading & writing enabled. |
| 15:10:44 | amiconn | However, he observed a somewhat different behaviour about the boot/ rolo sequence it takes to reproduce the errors. |
| 15:11:37 | amiconn | Imho all results from my tests lead to 2 conclusions: |
| 15:13:07 | amiconn | (1) The file system corruption with the 2004-02-01 code does only occur on recorders with the combination of hw mask 0x0102 and hd Hitachi DK23CA |
| 15:14:11 | amiconn | (2) The problem was fixed by one of the numerous changes to the ata reset/ set features routines that were committed in thea meantime. |
| 15:15:09 | amiconn | (Although I don't know exactly by which one.. this would require that one of us developers has the mentioned hw combination available for extensive testing) |
| 15:16:02 | Zagor | i think i have a dk23ca somewhere, but I can't say I feel like doing extensive testing :) |
| 15:16:30 | amiconn | The thing is that you would also need a recorder v1 with hw mask 0x0102... |
| 15:16:44 | Zagor | i do |
| 15:16:59 | Zagor | well, the worst case is someone is reminded why he should be doing backups of his archos :) i say check it in. |
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| 15:31:02 | LinusN | i agree, commit it |
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| 15:45:32 | amiconn | Zagor, LinusN: committed. |
| 15:46:02 | LinusN | great |
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| 15:55:23 | Christi-S | Hello |
| 15:56:04 | * | Christi-S is looking for the runes to turn a modified source dir (with the changed files copied to foo.orig first) into a patch. |
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| 15:56:22 | * | Christi-S dipped her toe in the vicious waters of the actual source. |
| 15:56:46 | LinusN | cvs diff -u > filename.patch |
| 15:57:10 | Christi-S | Ah, I didn't check it out from CVS - just downloaded the daily build source. |
| 15:57:16 | Christi-S | CVS makes my brain ache. |
| 15:58:42 | Christi-S | I do wonder if anyone other than me wanted a progress bar that filled in as the song progressed, but it seemed like a good first hack. |
| 15:59:56 | LinusN | Christi-S: do yourself a favor and try to learn cvs |
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| 16:00:26 | * | Christi-S nods. For a big project like this it's pretty essential, unfortunately. |
| 16:01:00 | LinusN | and you learn something too |
| 16:04:26 | Christi-S | Oh, BlueChip the Windows dev kit is desperately in need of grep and vi in my opinion. ;) |
| 16:06:18 | * | Christi-S waits for the tree to checkout. How I detest dialup. |
| 16:07:57 | LinusN | Christi-S: why not use the real thing instead? |
| 16:08:12 | LinusN | i mean cygwin+sh tools |
| 16:11:21 | LinusN | ah, dialup... |
| 16:11:32 | Christi-S | Well, if I were going to do that, I'd build on the Linux box. |
| 16:11:51 | Christi-S | But I don't really fancy installing the cross-compiler on the Debian box. |
| 16:14:34 | LinusN | because...? |
| 16:15:10 | Christi-S | I remember reading the instructions for installing GCC as a cross compiler a few years back. The memory is not a pleasant one. |
| 16:15:20 | Christi-S | It's probably improved a great deal by now. |
| 16:15:52 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 16:15:56 | LinusN | extremely easy |
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| 16:22:19 | Christi-S | I mentioned hating dialup, right: |
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| 16:33:43 | LinusN | time to go home |
| 16:33:45 | LinusN | cu around |
| 16:33:50 | amiconn | LinusN: I just saw that there is work for me to do... |
| 16:34:09 | LinusN | oh? |
| 16:34:15 | amiconn | ..syncing deutsch.lang and re-building voice files |
| 16:34:19 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 16:34:30 | LinusN | don't bother |
| 16:34:40 | amiconn | Why? |
| 16:34:43 | LinusN | the radio stuff can't be voiced anyway |
| 16:35:00 | LinusN | the mas is in recording mode |
| 16:35:16 | amiconn | Ah. Why are the voice entries not empty in this case then? |
| 16:35:39 | LinusN | hmmm, because i'm silly? |
| 16:36:32 | LinusN | i should remove the voice entries for all fm strings |
| 16:36:37 | LinusN | gotta go, cu |
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| 16:36:41 | amiconn | bye |
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| 16:52:51 | dstar5 | BlueChip, i have a problem with your devkit |
| 16:53:39 | Christi-S | I feel all grown up - my first Rockbox patch. :) |
| 16:53:47 | Christi-S | I don't think he's around. |
| 16:54:21 | dstar5 | what patch? |
| 16:56:22 | Christi-S | Makes the progress bar optionally fill in rather than sliding along. |
| 16:56:28 | Christi-S | A small thing, but mine own. |
| 16:57:53 | dstar5 | neat :) |
| 16:58:02 | dstar5 | good idea really |
| 16:58:24 | Christi-S | Well, I prefer it, and it was actually very easy to do. The widgets already support it. |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:55 | dstar5 | if not, that is easy code yo write |
| 17:01:00 | dstar5 | s/yo/to |
| 17:01:18 | dstar5 | just dont have it remove those pixles behind the bar |
| 17:01:43 | dstar5 | well n/m, it is a bit more compilcted... |
| 17:03:32 | dstar5 | arghh i need you BlueChip |
| 17:04:11 | Christi-S | Not quite sure what you mean - it's a patch for the recorder rather than the player. |
| 17:04:27 | dstar5 | i know |
| 17:04:33 | Christi-S | What's the problem. I might be able to help. |
| 17:05:18 | dstar5 | umm well no command is found (gcc, ls, etc etc) |
| 17:05:34 | dstar5 | i tried export PATH=/bin:$PATH |
| 17:05:41 | Christi-S | Have you run the setup batch file? |
| 17:05:41 | dstar5 | but that did not wrk either |
| 17:05:45 | dstar5 | yes |
| 17:06:06 | Christi-S | Weird. |
| 17:06:08 | dstar5 | although i will run regedit, and make sure those are right reg enteries |
| 17:08:54 | Christi-S | Have you moved the devkit dir since you ran setup? |
| 17:10:08 | dstar5 | no |
| 17:10:19 | dstar5 | just installed a few minutes ago |
| 17:10:35 | dstar5 | i am not at home, i am at someone elses puter |
| 17:10:46 | dstar5 | so thats why i am using the kit |
| 17:12:29 | Christi-S | Right. On my system I ran C:\Program Files\RockBox-DevKit_v3\setup\setup.bat |
| 17:12:43 | Christi-S | That seemed to make everything work. |
| 17:13:04 | dstar5 | i generaly use root (C: or actaullt D; on my home system) |
| 17:13:11 | dstar5 | because cygwin uses that |
| 17:13:15 | dstar5 | (by default) |
| 17:15:39 | dstar5 | weird, i jusr re extracted the kit, it works fine now |
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| 17:37:41 | BlueChip | still need me dude? |
| 17:40:14 | Christi-S | I think he reinstalled and the problem went away. |
| 17:41:23 | BlueChip | <phew> ..someone else had trouble the other day, so even if it's not the fault of the devkit - it seems to not be idiot proof |
| 17:42:37 | Christi-S | Very few things are. |
| 17:43:38 | BlueChip | I see you've moved into the wonderful world of patching :) ....I must upload my new BASH macros and uisw32.c soon |
| 17:46:26 | * | Christi-S nods. |
| 17:46:36 | Christi-S | I'm still avoiding attacking the manual properly. |
| 17:48:31 | BlueChip | I don't know why people don't document as they go ...I've always believed "if people cannot easily use your software, then your software is difficult and unfriendly to use" |
| 17:49:46 | Christi-S | The UI on rockbox is not the greatest. Probably because it evolved rather than was designed. |
| 17:51:42 | BlueChip | I agree, there has been talk for at least a year now to revamp it, but nobody can make any decisions on precisely which way to go, so afaik nothing has happened ....dwhino started a lovely GUI interface |
| 17:52:17 | Christi-S | classic problem with cat-herding. ;) |
| 17:52:25 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 17:53:16 | Christi-S | And the fact that your patches might just get left out anyway doesn't exactly encourage one to do major development work. |
| 17:53:43 | Christi-S | The list of patches just sitting around on SourceForge is depressingly long. |
| 17:54:15 | BlueChip | When all that crap kicked off a while back, several people approached me privately and practically begged me fork ...seems you are not alone in your views |
| 17:55:00 | BlueChip | WOO HOO - finally got ticks wokring as close to correctly as windows will allow :) |
| 17:55:35 | BlueChip | I can actually test my timed routines now :) |
| 17:55:42 | Christi-S | :) |
| 17:56:43 | BlueChip | still got no idea how to set up a 10mS timer - seems there are hundreds of articles on why it is so difficult, but none on how to work around it! |
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| 17:58:48 | * | Christi-S is actually vaguely tempted by the idea of developing for a new platform, but I hardly have a proven track record. |
| 17:59:04 | Christi-S | And I certainly can't afford to buy hardware myself. |
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| 17:59:38 | BlueChip | Well, when my Jukebox dies and I can't replace it .... :) |
| 17:59:57 | * | Christi-S nods. |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:10 | Christi-S | I am terrified of this. I hate being JBless. |
| 18:02:54 | Christi-S | I never saw the GUI interface. Any pics anywhere? |
| 18:03:07 | BlueChip | no, i may have a demo somewhere |
| 18:04:00 | Christi-S | Argh - cat on keyboard. |
| 18:04:09 | BlueChip | .me sneezes |
| 18:04:14 | * | BlueChip sneezes |
| 18:04:31 | Christi-S | No sneezing on my cat. |
| 18:04:49 | BlueChip | I feel a "Mrs Slocombes Pussy" joke coming on |
| 18:05:05 | Christi-S | Oh dear. |
| 18:05:31 | BlueChip | no, sorry, no archive od the gui - speak to dwhino, it was is work |
| 18:05:33 | BlueChip | *his |
| 18:06:01 | Christi-S | Why'd he stop? |
| 18:06:13 | * | BlueChip bites tongue |
| 18:06:31 | Christi-S | Ah, never mind. |
| 18:06:37 | BlueChip | guess he lost interest for reasons of which I should not speculate |
| 18:07:22 | * | Christi-S wonders why no-one has considered porting Rockbox to the iPod. |
| 18:07:27 | BlueChip | Maybe drawing a picture that meant "scrooling initial startup in mS" just friend his brain - LOL |
| 18:07:50 | BlueChip | ipod's dac is uber-secret |
| 18:07:50 | Christi-S | Yeah, that'd be the hard thing about a gui. |
| 18:07:57 | Christi-S | Ah, right. |
| 18:08:18 | BlueChip | the ipod cpu is not up to the job of playing mp3s |
| 18:08:21 | Christi-S | Shame, really - port to the iPod and you'd really go mainstream. |
| 18:08:41 | BlueChip | It is singularly the only thing which stops me owning an ipod |
| 18:09:01 | Christi-S | Personally I think they're way too expensive for what they are. |
| 18:09:10 | BlueChip | paying for quality |
| 18:09:31 | BlueChip | since the battery scandal was sorted out ...I have read ZERO bad things about ipod |
| 18:09:33 | Christi-S | Well, there is that. The Archos build quality leaves much to be desired, it's true. |
| 18:10:43 | BlueChip | The new archos units are awesome, but i wouldn't like to comment on build - I can;t believe that they know how to make something of quality |
| 18:10:55 | scott666 | bad thing about ipod: you cant just copy mp3s over from explorer and expect them to play |
| 18:11:24 | amiconn | Christi-S: The problem with porting anything actually useful to the iPod is that iirc the iPod uses the "Portalplayer" chip |
| 18:11:32 | Christi-S | I wonder what the feasibility of designing an open hardware jukebox would be. |
| 18:11:47 | scott666 | the rockbox guys are convinced its impossible |
| 18:11:51 | BlueChip | been done a dozen times |
| 18:12:28 | scott666 | the main problem is the extremely small user base, which means an even smaller developer base |
| 18:12:34 | * | Christi-S nods. |
| 18:12:47 | Christi-S | The thing is once it was done, anyone could build one. |
| 18:12:53 | BlueChip | http://www.pjrc.com/mp3/ |
| 18:13:35 | scott666 | was that on slashdot a few months ago? |
| 18:13:35 | BlueChip | you can't use smt, because nobody can work with smt (except the elite) |
| 18:13:39 | scott666 | looks farmiliar |
| 18:13:42 | BlueChip | scott666: no idea |
| 18:14:22 | scott666 | yes, smt is a pain in the ass |
| 18:14:37 | scott666 | and smt ICs are damn near impossible |
| 18:14:41 | Christi-S | Cat is licking my keyboard cable. Weird feline. |
| 18:14:45 | scott666 | (with my shitty soldering iron anyway) |
| 18:14:53 | BlueChip | mainboard $150 ...LCD $42, Backlight $77 ....IDE cable $9 ....simm $30 ....hdd $whatever ...and no guarantee that it'll work |
| 18:15:18 | Christi-S | Cheaper to buy an Archos at the moment. |
| 18:15:23 | | Nick BlueChip is now known as bc|brb (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:15:23 | scott666 | HD will be at least 100 |
| 18:17:57 | scott666 | i want my next mp3 player to have a ridiculous amount of ram |
| 18:18:22 | Christi-S | I know what you mean, but that pushes up battery usage, of course. |
| 18:18:32 | scott666 | not neccessarily |
| 18:18:44 | scott666 | it would have to load that data anyway, it would just do it over time instead |
| 18:18:55 | scott666 | saves the battery cost of spin-ups and spin-downs |
| 18:19:05 | amiconn | Actually more ram should improve battery runtime |
| 18:19:07 | Christi-S | The essential problem is that by the time someone's ported Rockbox to a platform, the platform is obsolete. |
| 18:19:50 | Christi-S | And while the JBFM w/ Rockbox does everything I want from an MP3 player - doesn't do me much good if it dies and I can't replace it. |
| 18:19:55 | scott666 | shame archos wont cooperate |
| 18:20:26 | scott666 | if theyd produce a new rockboxable player with no new features but better build quaility i bet itd sell well |
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| 18:33:24 | dstar5 | hey BC |
| 18:33:29 | BC | hey d5 |
| 18:33:43 | dstar5 | :) |
| 18:33:45 | BC | "no disassemble diddy 5" |
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| 19:00:49 | BC | I wish to write win32sim functions to handle backlight_on() and backlight_off() does anyone know how I am supposed to hook these functions properly? |
| 19:02:55 | BC | friend just turned up ....l8rz :) |
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| 19:33:04 | Guest578 | hi all |
| 19:33:34 | Guest578 | I m looking for the file firmware_rec.bin ?? where is it ?? |
| 19:34:05 | Guest578 | it is written in the doc that it is in the distribution ?? is it the zip in the download section? |
| 19:34:27 | Guest578 | because this one does not contain this file? so if someone could help me |
| 19:35:00 | Christi-S- | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/flash_rec.zip |
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| 19:49:22 | Guest578 | thanks |
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| 19:53:53 | mattzz | amiconn: r u reading? |
| 19:54:32 | mattzz | anybody with cvs-access online? |
| 19:54:32 | amiconn | yup |
| 19:54:35 | mattzz | ahh good |
| 19:54:45 | mattzz | we have a no-go situation ;-) |
| 19:54:49 | mattzz | settings.c |
| 19:55:06 | mattzz | may I paste a patch here? |
| 19:55:55 | amiconn | What's the problem? I didn't get any problems compiling current cvs.. |
| 19:56:37 | amiconn | ..hmm, another change by Linus I did not yet try out. Just a moment... |
| 19:56:42 | mattzz | settings.c, line 223 |
| 19:57:03 | mattzz | ifdef HAVE_FMRADIO is missing |
| 19:59:37 | amiconn | I wonder why it compiles for Rec Sim Win32, see cvs compile status on the daily build page |
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| 20:00:44 | mattzz | eh?! |
| 20:00:48 | mattzz | good question! |
| 20:01:30 | mattzz | could you please commit the #ifdef / #endif lines in settings.c? |
| 20:02:47 | amiconn | Yes, after testing compilation for the main platforms |
| 20:02:58 | mattzz | thanks a bunch! |
| 20:03:22 | mattzz | Is there something like a regression script for tasks like that? |
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| 20:05:50 | amiconn | mattzz: I usually test my changes by compiling for recorder, player, recorder sim and player sim before committing |
| 20:06:04 | amiconn | And no, I do not use a script for that |
| 20:06:27 | * | mattzz is soo lazy |
| 20:06:40 | mattzz | I vote for script slavery! |
| 20:07:00 | amiconn | Should be relative easy to write a script for that. |
| 20:07:15 | mattzz | yup |
| 20:07:50 | amiconn | I usually compile with "make >make.log", so I only see stuff written to stderr on the screen. |
| 20:07:53 | Christi-S- | Does anyone here know what the RTC hardware mod does that the Wakeup Alarm feature doesn't? |
| 20:08:40 | mattzz | Christi-S-: Sorry, I don't know. |
| 20:08:50 | amiconn | Christi-S-: Iirc, the RTC hardware mod is only necessary for v1 recorders to get wakeup alarm working. |
| 20:09:05 | Christi-S- | Oh, right. So it works on v2 anyway? |
| 20:09:22 | amiconn | It should work on v2/fm without modification. |
| 20:10:21 | * | Christi-S- goes to look at the source again. |
| 20:13:57 | scott666 | Christi-S-: i have an FMR, and the wake-up alarm works with no mod |
| 20:14:12 | Christi-S- | Yes, I noticed that too. |
| 20:14:33 | Christi-S- | It's just that the source looks to have different code which isn't enabled or something. |
| 20:14:38 | scott666 | i was confused when i first saw that because i didnt think it would apply to recorders and not FMs |
| 20:14:46 | Christi-S- | I'm still trying to get my head around it properly. |
| 20:15:41 | scott666 | do you happen to have a pre-compiled ajz with your progress bar patch? |
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| 20:17:06 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 20:17:46 | LinusN | hi amiconn |
| 20:17:50 | LinusN | <Christi-S> And the fact that your patches might just get left out anyway doesn't exactly encourage one to do major development work. |
| 20:18:03 | LinusN | *sigh* |
| 20:18:13 | * | mattzz asks himself if his checkbox patch will ever make it into cvs... |
| 20:18:15 | amiconn | You just fixed what wanted to fix. Cvs gave me a strange message because of this :-/ |
| 20:18:41 | amiconn | s/what wanted/what I wanted/ |
| 20:19:23 | LinusN | mattzz: i thought i committed your checkbox |
| 20:19:46 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you also change english.lang? |
| 20:19:55 | LinusN | <Christi-S> And the fact that your patches might just get left out anyway doesn't exactly encourage one to do major development work. |
| 20:19:58 | LinusN | void checkbox(int x, int y, int width, int height, bool checked) |
| 20:20:01 | LinusN | (sorry) |
| 20:20:03 | Christi-S- | I appreciate why you're sighing Linus, but I'm afraid it's true. I don't want to be maintaining my own source tree. |
| 20:20:05 | LinusN | amiconn: i did |
| 20:20:06 | mattzz | LinusN: only the widget, not the application for boolean setting dialogs |
| 20:20:19 | LinusN | amiconn: ah, no i didn't remove the voice |
| 20:21:32 | LinusN | mattzz: we (i, daniel and bj?rn) were not convinced that replacing the yes/no strings with a checkbox was that much of a benefit |
| 20:21:42 | Christi-S- | So if I do some work and it doesn't make it in, then it's time wasted as far as I'm concerned. |
| 20:22:12 | mattzz | LinusN: I accept that. :-| |
| 20:22:28 | LinusN | Christi-S-: you can't expect everything to automatically be accepted into the main cvs tree |
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| 20:23:16 | Christi-S- | I am more than a little worried that all that work I did on the installer is going to fall into that category, for example. |
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| 20:23:34 | Christi-S | I am more than a little worried that all that work I did on the installer is going to fall into that category, for example. |
| 20:23:43 | amiconn | Christi-S-: If a patch doesn't make it in the offcial distribution, it may still have some benefits doing it: (1) you can use it for yourself, (2) you may have learned something while implementing it, (3) others that are able to compile their own builds may use it too |
| 20:24:11 | LinusN | Christi-S-: the installer requires a wine installation, right? |
| 20:24:19 | * | Christi-S nods. Afraid so. |
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| 20:24:58 | LinusN | Christi-S: that forces us to install wine on our hopelessly outdated redhat box |
| 20:25:16 | LinusN | us=i, zagor or daniel |
| 20:25:29 | Christi-S | If I could do it without Wine, I would. |
| 20:25:37 | LinusN | i know |
| 20:26:18 | Christi-S | But I've done everything I can to make it as easy to install as possible. There's simply nothing I can do that will make it any easier, unfortunately. |
| 20:26:23 | amiconn | LinusN: I wonder if there would be some way to set up a box with Windows to manage those parts of an automated build that cannot be done (easily) with Linix |
| 20:26:29 | amiconn | *Linux |
| 20:26:51 | LinusN | amiconn: that's of course one option |
| 20:27:19 | amiconn | (Building voice files is one such thing, and the installer is another one) |
| 20:27:20 | Christi-S | Well, as Daniel points out, they don't have to run on the Rockbox site. |
| 20:27:36 | Christi-S | I can run them quite happily here, but I can't automate things. |
| 20:27:44 | LinusN | why not? |
| 20:27:45 | Christi-S | Due to being stuck on dialup. |
| 20:27:48 | LinusN | ah |
| 20:28:00 | Christi-S | (I live in the middle of nowhere.) |
| 20:28:28 | LinusN | the sad part is that the servers are located at our office, and we are not there very often |
| 20:28:48 | LinusN | remote administration of windows machines is a joke imho |
| 20:28:59 | Christi-S | Exactly. |
| 20:29:25 | Christi-S | This is why a Linux build system is a good thing. It is, at least, easily automated. |
| 20:29:26 | amiconn | In fact, I think remote administration of Windows is much easier than with Linux.. |
| 20:29:45 | LinusN | Christi-S: how come you need wine? |
| 20:29:56 | Christi-S | Speaking as someone who's spend 4 years working as a Linux/Windows sysadmin, I strongly disagree. |
| 20:30:03 | LinusN | amiconn: really? |
| 20:30:32 | * | LinusN is a windows cl00b |
| 20:30:42 | Christi-S | linus - the program that builds the executables (InnoSetup) is a Windows binary and tied to the Windows API. |
| 20:30:43 | amiconn | Yes, imho this is true, at least with Win 2000 Server and Win XP Pro/ Windows Server 2003 |
| 20:30:50 | LinusN | Christi-S: :-( |
| 20:31:44 | LinusN | amiconn: you obviously know more about windows that i do |
| 20:31:49 | LinusN | than |
| 20:31:54 | amiconn | Simply use the RDP protocol: It provides a fully graphical interface, is encrypted (128 bit) and relatively lightweight. |
| 20:32:08 | LinusN | amiconn: i don't want a graphical interface :-) |
| 20:32:25 | amiconn | It even works with reasonable speed over an ISDN or Modem connection |
| 20:33:06 | amiconn | (unless you want to do heavy graphics operations) |
| 20:33:47 | LinusN | from microsoft.com: |
| 20:33:50 | LinusN | Note The Windows Installer does not permit installations from a Remote Desktop Connection. |
| 20:34:00 | amiconn | It is _much_ faster than VNC or any other remote control software I've seen. |
| 20:34:18 | Christi-S | ssh is my preferred remote control software. |
| 20:35:04 | amiconn | (Talking about windows and _graphical_ remote control here ... remoting windows without graphical interface would be indeed difficult) |
| 20:35:35 | LinusN | well, if you can't install applications remotely... :-( |
| 20:35:59 | amiconn | LinusN: In spite of this official note, most setups _do_ work from a RDP connection :) |
| 20:36:09 | LinusN | interesting |
| 20:36:31 | LinusN | i guess those "want to reboot again?" dialogs make it tricky in some circumstances |
| 20:36:54 | amiconn | RDP is the way I usually administer our servers at work (we have a number of them) |
| 20:36:56 | * | Christi-S swears at OpenOffice. I never dreamed that a program could have worse list handling than Office. |
| 20:38:04 | amiconn | ..and I'm really missing a similar way of access to our Linux servers (yes, we do have such as well) |
| 20:41:01 | amiconn | LinusN: The more modern Windows variants don't have to be rebooted that much. Btw, when speaking about Windows, I explicitly exclude all Win 9x variants and NT4.0 as well. |
| 20:41:56 | dwihno | I was just checking the CVS logs... |
| 20:42:04 | dwihno | Has the assembly disk stuff been fixed? |
| 20:42:31 | LinusN | dwihno: seems so, the latest test show no problems |
| 20:43:23 | LinusN | amiconn: i agree that the reboot rate is much lower nowadays |
| 20:43:40 | dwihno | LinusN: Great news indeed! |
| 20:43:53 | LinusN | dwihno: try it NOW! |
| 20:44:45 | dwihno | LinusN: Bad news, I'm on holiday, my unit is out of juice, and the charger is still at home :/ |
| 20:44:46 | amiconn | LinusN: My laptop was last rebooted 8 days ago... I usually put it into suspend-to-disk when I don't need it. |
| 20:46:48 | LinusN | dwihno: darkness indeed |
| 20:47:14 | LinusN | amiconn: same here, the "uptime" of my xp laptop is quite good |
| 20:48:07 | dwihno | LinusN: However... With a couple of days of dead time this weekend, I was thinking about implementing the GUI sliders and the menu stuff we've talked about earlier... |
| 20:48:26 | LinusN | dwihno: nicers! |
| 20:49:37 | * | LinusN is afk for a while |
| 20:50:16 | dwihno | LinusN: I'll do some initial patchwork and let you have a check when it's done. |
| 20:50:30 | * | dwihno returns to vacationism for a while or two |
| 20:51:48 | mattzz | mattzz@darkstar:~$ uptime |
| 20:51:48 | mattzz | 20:54:07 up 291 days, 47 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 20:51:51 | mattzz | ;-) |
| 20:52:24 | * | mattzz is a bit childish today |
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| 21:00:10 | scott666 | Christi-S: the solid progress bar patch is awesome |
| 21:03:20 | mattzz | [x] send pics |
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| 21:06:01 | elinenbe | yawn! I think I am going to buy myself an iriver.... |
| 21:06:10 | dstar5 | :P |
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| 21:06:33 | dstar5 | atleast it's not an ipod |
| 21:07:10 | * | dstar5 goes to grab a coke |
| 21:07:13 | elinenbe | what's wrong with an ipod? |
| 21:07:43 | elinenbe | the ipod has some nice (okay) open source firmware... and it is built very nicely. |
| 21:08:19 | scott666 | the database system sucks though (this goes for a lot of players out there though)\ |
| 21:08:29 | scott666 | i want to just be able to copy files and play them |
| 21:08:41 | dstar5 | i agrea with that, but the ipod is mostly just a ripoff (imho) |
| 21:08:51 | scott666 | yeah, way overpriced |
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| 21:09:28 | dstar5 | same with apple's computers |
| 21:09:44 | corbell | what with apple computers? :) |
| 21:09:48 | * | corbell waves |
| 21:09:58 | scott666 | its paying for the shinyness |
| 21:10:05 | corbell | yeah. |
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| 21:10:19 | * | corbell is more for lead acid than lithium ion :P |
| 21:10:21 | corbell | that's my personality |
| 21:10:45 | corbell | give me something brutally utilitarian and powerful, and I'll muster the strength to use it :P |
| 21:11:10 | corbell | the G5 is too pretty, anyways |
| 21:11:33 | dstar5 | you can only have 1 optical drive in a G5 |
| 21:11:36 | mattzz | Christi-S: yup, I agree - solid p-bar looks nice |
| 21:11:41 | dstar5 | unless you do a ton of modding on that case... |
| 21:11:58 | corbell | dstar5: external drives. |
| 21:12:09 | corbell | I like the idea of a modular computer. |
| 21:12:21 | corbell | But I mean, I wouldn't pay for a full sized machine if it didn't have an expandable case. |
| 21:12:33 | dstar5 | i dont like externals |
| 21:12:45 | corbell | they've got big disadvantages in performance and price. |
| 21:12:53 | * | corbell has a laptop :P |
| 21:12:57 | corbell | I've already made my trade off |
| 21:13:08 | corbell | I've got my desktop for insane storage |
| 21:13:28 | dstar5 | heh |
| 21:13:30 | dstar5 | how much? |
| 21:14:00 | corbell | oh, I've got around 200 gigs. :p |
| 21:14:11 | scott666 | thats not insane! |
| 21:14:13 | corbell | I should say, what was insane storage a year ago. |
| 21:14:19 | corbell | I haven't upgraded it in a long time. |
| 21:14:23 | corbell | :) |
| 21:14:38 | corbell | I've got 70$ in uh, gifts certificates for some reason |
| 21:14:42 | scott666 | im not sure that was insane a year ago either |
| 21:14:43 | corbell | I suppose I could pickup a new hard drive |
| 21:14:46 | corbell | hmm |
| 21:14:52 | corbell | you're probably right. |
| 21:14:56 | dstar5 | i have a 160gb at home + another 40gb hd + my jb hd 20gb |
| 21:15:04 | dstar5 | =220 :) |
| 21:15:08 | scott666 | its sufficient for most use though |
| 21:15:12 | corbell | yeah, that's how I am right now, dstar5 |
| 21:15:13 | elinenbe | the thing with the ipod, is as you get a larger and larger device, a database is nice. |
| 21:15:21 | corbell | 120 + 80 + 20 |
| 21:15:27 | scott666 | this computers almost a year old and i havnt filled up my 120GB yet |
| 21:15:29 | corbell | heh |
| 21:15:33 | scott666 | well...i have, but then i uninstalled some games |
| 21:15:37 | * | corbell wants to buy an old recorder 10 :P |
| 21:15:46 | corbell | I've got a creative nomad jukebox zen xtra |
| 21:15:50 | corbell | it's *okay* |
| 21:15:52 | elinenbe | I do like being able to just copy "stuff" onto my mp3 player, but I would also like to be able to browse and search by database... |
| 21:15:56 | dstar5 | corbell, ill take it! |
| 21:15:56 | corbell | it is the most reliable jukebox I've owned though |
| 21:16:08 | corbell | I've bashed it up pretty bad too |
| 21:16:11 | corbell | and it's still in great shape |
| 21:16:15 | corbell | It's a machine built for me :P |
| 21:16:28 | corbell | I destroyed a Rio Karma pretty quickly |
| 21:16:31 | corbell | those things are pieces :p |
| 21:16:39 | corbell | the hard drive completely failed |
| 21:16:55 | dstar5 | you still have your karma? |
| 21:17:05 | corbell | No. |
| 21:17:10 | dstar5 | ohh well |
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| 21:17:22 | dstar5 | i have a nice jb that was in my jb sitting here. |
| 21:17:31 | dstar5 | not jb, hd |
| 21:17:32 | dstar5 | lol |
| 21:17:34 | corbell | I want to fix my recorder FM |
| 21:17:40 | corbell | it's missing a battery plate on the top |
| 21:17:47 | corbell | I lent it to my brother |
| 21:17:49 | corbell | he took it apart |
| 21:17:56 | corbell | and somehow broke the battery contacts :P |
| 21:18:02 | dstar5 | ill take that :) |
| 21:18:10 | corbell | Yeah, if you want to buy it. |
| 21:18:15 | dstar5 | how much? |
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| 21:18:16 | corbell | I'm trying to get a replacement battery cover. |
| 21:18:25 | corbell | since it doesn't work without one. |
| 21:18:33 | corbell | and Archos has been of no use |
| 21:18:43 | scott666 | does the rest of it work? |
| 21:18:48 | corbell | of course |
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| 21:19:01 | corbell | it's had about a year and half of abuse from me |
| 21:19:03 | corbell | the paint is all off |
| 21:19:06 | corbell | scratched up |
| 21:19:11 | dstar5 | how much would you want for it without the HD? |
| 21:19:13 | Christi-S | Cool - people like my patch. ;) |
| 21:19:13 | corbell | I love it muchly |
| 21:19:14 | corbell | haha |
| 21:19:18 | corbell | I don't want to sell it :P |
| 21:19:26 | dstar5 | :( |
| 21:19:30 | corbell | I want to fix it |
| 21:19:38 | corbell | I'll give it to my sister or something |
| 21:19:44 | corbell | or maybe my father. |
| 21:19:46 | * | scott666 has a broken fmr |
| 21:19:58 | corbell | I've got a few 20 gig laptop drives sitting around now :P |
| 21:20:02 | dstar5 | i need someone that will sell me a archos without a hd for really cheap |
| 21:20:05 | * | scott666 needs to find a headphone jack for it and then get it into it |
| 21:20:16 | corbell | I should do a brain transplant and switch the 40 gig out of my Nomad |
| 21:20:26 | corbell | since it doesn't *need* it :P |
| 21:20:42 | corbell | I also want to redo the paint on the recorder FM |
| 21:20:49 | scott666 | that would be nice |
| 21:21:05 | scott666 | if you have luck with some really durable paint post something to the list |
| 21:21:19 | corbell | Yeah, I'd probably borrow some masking tape |
| 21:21:25 | dstar5 | bye |
| 21:21:26 | corbell | and jack some military paint |
| 21:21:27 | corbell | :P |
| 21:21:34 | | Quit dstar5 ("Leaving") |
| 21:21:39 | corbell | go go olive drab |
| 21:22:15 | scott666 | ive thought about covering mine in duct tape |
| 21:22:21 | corbell | if it can stay on a humvee like a 5 o' clock shadow, it'll stay on the player |
| 21:22:30 | corbell | That's a great idea, and I thought of that myself, actually :p |
| 21:22:31 | corbell | it's ugly |
| 21:22:33 | corbell | but extremely durable |
| 21:22:48 | scott666 | its not ugly, its stylistic |
| 21:22:49 | scott666 | lol |
| 21:22:54 | corbell | ugly is a style |
| 21:22:55 | corbell | :) |
| 21:23:16 | corbell | has anyone messed with headphone amps? |
| 21:24:25 | corbell | just about every review I've read on the airhead said it was overkill and unneccessary, I'm inclined to think for 140$ they're correct. |
| 21:25:38 | scott666 | headphone amps? |
| 21:25:59 | scott666 | to make your headphone REALLY loud? |
| 21:26:01 | corbell | Yes, like headroom's products, the Airhead |
| 21:26:02 | corbell | no |
| 21:26:45 | corbell | you can boost a signal without using the built in amp |
| 21:26:51 | corbell | saving battery life and all |
| 21:26:55 | corbell | and improving audio quality |
| 21:27:06 | corbell | line-out, I should say |
| 21:32:01 | corbell | has anyone had an experience with external battery packs for their mp3 players? |
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| 21:39:41 | | Nick scott666_ is now known as scott666 (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 21:39:47 | scott666 | grrr |
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| 22:09:39 | * | corbell has some NiMH batteries |
| 22:09:55 | corbell | whenever my external battery pack thing arrives, I can have some fun with this thing :P |
| 22:10:53 | corbell | eight 1800 mAH NiMH batteries hooked up to my poor old creative nomad |
| 22:11:09 | corbell | now I just need a case for the gaggle |
| 22:11:12 | | Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EABF8F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:11:42 | uski | make your own |
| 22:11:49 | uski | or buy one |
| 22:11:55 | uski | it's not really a problem is it ? :) |
| 22:12:13 | corbell | buying one, yes |
| 22:12:18 | uski | you may make a 8 batteries socket using two 4 batteries sockets made on a PC board |
| 22:12:20 | corbell | that's my solution |
| 22:12:25 | uski | with holders for PC boards |
| 22:12:37 | corbell | yeahm that's what this thing is :P |
| 22:12:39 | uski | then you screw the two PCB together, with a small gap between those |
| 22:12:40 | corbell | it's really very simple |
| 22:12:49 | uski | and you put it in the box :) |
| 22:12:56 | corbell | but I haven't seen anything like it out there |
| 22:12:57 | uski | done as this, it should be very clean |
| 22:13:03 | corbell | that doesn't involve idiotic converters |
| 22:13:18 | uski | :) |
| 22:13:35 | corbell | this current little thing should be more than enough |
| 22:13:43 | corbell | I mean, the internal battery is suck |
| 22:13:51 | corbell | I've got a Creative Nomad Zen Xtra |
| 22:14:00 | corbell | and it uses the same battery as the Muvo 2 |
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| 23:01:11 | | Join Christi-S- [0] (~christi@client-1185-p-1-lns.winn.dial.virgin.net) |
| 23:03:51 | | Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9FF82CB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:05:34 | [IDC]Dragon | uski, how is it going? |
| 23:05:52 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: how are you duing? |
| 23:06:13 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm duing fine ;-) |
| 23:06:25 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: I saw you posted on the german iriver board... are you going to take up the ihp? |
| 23:06:40 | uski | [IDC]Dragon, i haven't looked at it until our last conversation |
| 23:06:40 | [IDC]Dragon | no, can't afford the time |
| 23:06:46 | uski | other thing to do |
| 23:06:51 | uski | i'm thinking of sending it back |
| 23:06:53 | [IDC]Dragon | but I'd relly like to |
| 23:07:13 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: I'd really like you to do it too ;) I think I am going to pick up an ihp 140 |
| 23:07:17 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: no, play fair, fix it |
| 23:07:27 | uski | i'll try... but it doesn't sound promising |
| 23:07:51 | [IDC]Dragon | elinenbe: my favorite, too, even with the 3x0 models |
| 23:08:28 | * | Christi-S- sighs as someone tries to compile Solaris binaries for Rockbox. |
| 23:08:29 | [IDC]Dragon | elinenbe: can you read german? |
| 23:08:54 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: the 3x0 models are nice as it can be used as a host device (and a removable battery) |
| 23:08:54 | [IDC]Dragon | solaris on Rockbox, cool! |
| 23:09:49 | [IDC]Dragon | elinenbe: but they are a bit thicker and more heavy, no S/PDIF, the remote has no LCD any more |
| 23:10:05 | | Join Dogger [0] (~jimmy@adsl-67-125-90-28.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 23:10:07 | Dogger | hi |
| 23:10:13 | [IDC]Dragon | hi there |
| 23:10:30 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: since you can read the german better (being german) what is the progress on the iriver player so far? |
| 23:10:38 | Dogger | you any good with mencoder? |
| 23:10:53 | elinenbe | Dogger: hello there. |
| 23:10:53 | Dogger | I cant get any video to play on windows media player :( |
| 23:11:11 | [IDC]Dragon | elinenbe: see the IRC log of yesterday afternoon, I chatted with them here. |
| 23:11:20 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: will do. |
| 23:11:33 | elinenbe | also, the Neruos looks like it actually may be going open... |
| 23:11:46 | [IDC]Dragon | what's in that one? |
| 23:12:45 | [IDC]Dragon | uh, that's the big bulky one |
| 23:12:48 | elinenbe | hold on... |
| 23:12:52 | elinenbe | I have a URL for you. |
| 23:12:58 | elinenbe | the hardware is VERY ugly though... |
| 23:13:43 | elinenbe | http://www.neurosaudio.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3655 |
| 23:13:57 | Dogger | all I need to find is some options to give mencoder that produce a file you can play on windows media player :(( |
| 23:14:05 | Dogger | have tried tons though |
| 23:14:07 | elinenbe | http://open.neurosaudio.com/ |
| 23:14:09 | Dogger | none work propperly |
| 23:14:15 | Dogger | any ideas where to look? |
| 23:14:18 | elinenbe | Dogger: what is the video? |
| 23:14:29 | Dogger | http://www.axod.net/ani.html |
| 23:14:30 | elinenbe | why don't you make it an mpg? |
| 23:14:36 | Dogger | tried that |
| 23:14:40 | Dogger | mpeg1 almost works |
| 23:14:41 | Dogger | sometimes |
| 23:14:55 | Dogger | if you save it first |
| 23:15:05 | Dogger | if you just click on it wmp only plays the first second |
| 23:15:32 | [IDC]Dragon | Dogger: what's the CPU of the AV3x0? |
| 23:15:41 | Dogger | tms320dsc25 |
| 23:15:43 | Dogger | arm7 core |
| 23:15:47 | | Part LinusN |
| 23:16:03 | elinenbe | the mpes work here in wmp. |
| 23:16:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Neuros uses TMS320DA150 |
| 23:16:17 | elinenbe | the av400 looks like a very nice piece of hardware... |
| 23:16:18 | Dogger | if you just click on them in IE? |
| 23:16:33 | Dogger | I'm trying on win98, with wmp9 |
| 23:16:34 | elinenbe | Dogger: I right-click and do a "save as" |
| 23:16:38 | Dogger | ok, |
| 23:16:41 | elinenbe | save it locally first |
| 23:16:56 | Dogger | the 640x480 had video garbage on mine |
| 23:17:07 | elinenbe | I love the portable tivo functionality |
| 23:17:43 | elinenbe | also, I like that the one model has extra batteries... although it would be nice if they had the larger hard drive with replaceable batteries too... |
| 23:18:41 | Dogger | yeah the lower res's work ok.... 640 has crap tho dammit |
| 23:18:48 | Dogger | av400 looks nice hardware, |
| 23:18:52 | Dogger | but no host usb, |
| 23:18:56 | Dogger | no touchscreen, |
| 23:19:01 | Dogger | and still crappy archos firmware |
| 23:19:14 | Christi-S- | Port Rockbox to it then. ;) |
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| 23:19:29 | Dogger | well I'm more likely to port avos to it :) |
| 23:19:34 | Mansoor | hi i am trying to compile rockbox |
| 23:20:03 | Mansoor | i get following errors: make[2]: Entering directory `/home/machatha/FYDP/rockbox/rockbox/tools' |
| 23:20:19 | elinenbe | Dogger: the 300 doesn't have host usb or a touchscreen either! |
| 23:20:29 | Dogger | well of course |
| 23:20:34 | Dogger | but the av500 is roumoured to |
| 23:20:35 | elinenbe | Dogger: are you still working on hacking the hardware any more? |
| 23:20:36 | Mansoor | can anyone help me compile rockbox? |
| 23:20:41 | Dogger | no point buying the av400 IMHO |
| 23:20:48 | elinenbe | Dogger: the av500 is rumored to run linux with qtopia... |
| 23:20:59 | Dogger | yeah I'm doubtful about that ;) |
| 23:21:02 | elinenbe | Dogger: the tivo functionality seems nice to me... |
| 23:21:14 | Dogger | yeah I like the IR sender |
| 23:21:21 | Christi-S- | mansoor - have you seen http://rockbox.haxx.se/cross-gcc.html - that might help. |
| 23:21:37 | Mansoor | thanks christi |
| 23:21:53 | Dogger | elinenbe: so do you like my animation? It's supposed to be me |
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| 23:22:17 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: see I think the iriver standard firmware is quite nice (much better than archos) −− although I would REALLY miss the queue/insert/etc. features... |
| 23:22:27 | elinenbe | Dogger: it looks good so far, although a little slow... |
| 23:22:35 | elinenbe | Dogger: yes it looks IDENTICAL to you |
| 23:22:40 | Dogger | yeah? hrm... should be 10 fps |
| 23:22:43 | Dogger | lol |
| 23:22:45 | elinenbe | Dogger: have you been watching the tour at all? |
| 23:22:47 | Dogger | about as ugly |
| 23:22:52 | Dogger | tour? |
| 23:22:58 | elinenbe | tour de france? |
| 23:23:03 | elinenbe | I thought you were in France? |
| 23:23:04 | elinenbe | no? |
| 23:23:07 | Dogger | ah nah not big here |
| 23:23:12 | elinenbe | maybe you don't care about it... |
| 23:23:13 | Dogger | california atm |
| 23:23:18 | elinenbe | oh −− forget it then. |
| 23:23:20 | Dogger | lol |
| 23:23:28 | Dogger | I watch it sometimes when I'm in the UK though |
| 23:23:38 | Dogger | americans only care about america tho |
| 23:23:48 | Dogger | so you don't get anything much from outside |
| 23:25:48 | elinenbe | if you have cable −− the tour is on OLN 24 hours a day... |
| 23:25:51 | elinenbe | well, maybe about 20. |
| 23:26:31 | Dogger | oh ok, |
| 23:26:35 | Dogger | cool |
| 23:28:14 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: I am readign the log... it looks like they are decently far along... |
| 23:28:28 | elinenbe | much more so then the 'vaporware' xclef open source project... |
| 23:28:52 | elinenbe | anyone know the URL of the xclef open source project? |
| 23:29:18 | [IDC]Dragon | It may be in the posting from that guy |
| 23:29:55 | elinenbe | the iriver has a HUGE flash and HUGE RAM |
| 23:30:04 | | Quit Mansoor ("Leaving") |
| 23:30:15 | elinenbe | wow! talk about caching databases and directories and voice clips, etc... |
| 23:30:35 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, plenty of resources |
| 23:31:00 | uski | how much ram/flash ? |
| 23:31:02 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm surprised that it has such a good runtime, too, with all that to supply |
| 23:31:17 | [IDC]Dragon | 32 MB RAM, 2 MB Flash |
| 23:31:35 | uski | mb... mbytes or mbits ? |
| 23:31:40 | [IDC]Dragon | bytes |
| 23:31:43 | uski | loool ok |
| 23:31:46 | uski | woow |
| 23:31:50 | uski | :O |
| 23:31:58 | uski | what cpu is running this?? |
| 23:32:04 | uski | a 32 bit thingy or... ? |
| 23:32:15 | [IDC]Dragon | motorola coldfire |
| 23:32:24 | [IDC]Dragon | (32 bit) |
| 23:32:36 | uski | ok |
| 23:32:43 | [IDC]Dragon | with cache and internalRAM, too |
| 23:32:53 | [IDC]Dragon | 120 MHz |
| 23:33:00 | [IDC]Dragon | (drool) |
| 23:33:21 | uski | are they doing MP3 decoding with this ? |
| 23:33:37 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, everything. |
| 23:33:43 | uski | pretty cool |
| 23:33:46 | uski | allows plenty of codecs |
| 23:33:50 | uski | OGG, ... |
| 23:34:01 | [IDC]Dragon | they have ogg already |
| 23:34:04 | uski | :) |
| 23:34:14 | uski | mp3 plusv then |
| 23:34:15 | uski | ;) |
| 23:34:40 | elinenbe | yeah −− there already a bunch of codecs built in... |
| 23:35:27 | elinenbe | even the new archos have wma in them... |
| 23:35:32 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Linus added some new fm radio screen entries to english.lang today |
| 23:36:28 | amiconn | He did add them with the voice: entries filled in, but when I said that there is work for me (updating the voice files) he said that the fm radio screen can't be voiced anyway. |
| 23:37:20 | amiconn | As I want to sync deutsch.lang, I'd like to correct this first, and so I ask if these entries really can't be voiced |
| 23:38:04 | amiconn | I wonder about this because 2 of the old LANG_ entries belonging to the fm screen do have voice: entries as well. |
| 23:38:37 | [IDC]Dragon | you can grep if they are used in a voice context |
| 23:38:48 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:39:57 | [IDC]Dragon | serch for the ID |
| 23:40:01 | [IDC]Dragon | search |
| 23:40:14 | [IDC]Dragon | which entries? |
| 23:40:59 | Dogger | god windows media player help lol |
| 23:41:02 | amiconn | LANG_FM_SAVE_PRESET and LANG_FM_DELETE_PRESET |
| 23:41:04 | Dogger | 'cannot play file' |
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| 23:41:19 | Dogger | 'Notes: to play dvds you must have a dvd drive' |
| 23:41:22 | Dogger | no kidding! |
| 23:41:22 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: the former I cannot find at all... |
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| 23:42:45 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: ...the latter is used in radio.c, and not voiced iiuc. |
| 23:44:12 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, they are probably wrong |
| 23:45:00 | amiconn | Removing these (at least the voice: entries) would save space in the .voice files |
| 23:46:12 | [IDC]Dragon | confirmed, they are unnecessary |
| 23:46:42 | dstar5 | have those asm constraints in gcc 3.4 been figured out? |
| 23:46:51 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe the voice got in by just symmetry |
| 23:50:47 | amiconn | voice_id = -1 means no voice clip, right? |
| 23:52:20 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, why? |
| 23:52:37 | amiconn | Because this occurs (once) in radio.c |
| 23:54:07 | [IDC]Dragon | where a dynamic menu is built, yes. |
| 23:57:33 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: you must have shorted some vital control line of the bus. |
| 23:57:58 | uski | yea... on my TODO list: check the CS lines, if they arrive correctly to the flash chip |
| 23:58:04 | [IDC]Dragon | have to leave now. |
| 23:58:09 | uski | also, i would be bery happy if you could implement some external memory test in minimom |
| 23:58:13 | uski | minimon |
| 23:58:24 | uski | so i could see if the external mem is working... |
| 23:58:46 | [IDC]Dragon | I think the MSDEV is free available now |
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